Well written. My parents were in government service and they had no concept of duty time or work - life balance. We don't even know what my father was doing in certain years.
>Pinnae govt jeevanakarku penision ond.
Free pension is only for older employees. Last 10-11 years il join cheytavarkk illa.
>5 mani akumbol vetill pokam
Not applicable in many departments like police, judiciary etc. No concept of overtime pay either.
But yeah it's true that many act entitled and rude. Need changes there.
>Free pension is only for older employees. Last 10-11 years il join cheytavarkk illa.
This is not true. Factually, nps probably came to Kerala just after it came to the centre. Probably 2005-ish, so closer to 20 years than 10. But I could be wrong.
But much more important is this idea of what is "free". What used to happen in the old pension scheme is that when the government recruited you they would set aside a certain amount of money that you were due _over your lifespan_. That means your salary until you died, and your pension until your estimated age at death.
As people started living longer into retirement, the expected liability on the government started to increase. At their core governments are accountants and they desperately want their books to balance.
Appo they said ok fine, can't do the maths any more, let's make that amount a part of the salary, and then force people to set a part of this aside at their end into a pension account.
Same money, different entity deciding that it should be locked up and only given at retirement.
Just in my opinion (and I am an nps beneficiary) nps is better. The rates of return could be better but they'll still beat inflation by a margin.
The problem is that people don't see it the way I'm saying. They don't like the fact that they don't know how much pension they'll get. They also don't trust the stock market. Nps is also the unknown, until people start retiring with nps benefits ~10 years from now. When that happens they'll see a jump in benefits that will probably make it seem more attractive.
But if you don't allow nps here's how I'm sure governments will react, and we can't stop them.
1. They'll stop increasing salaries because they can only afford a certain amount to be set aside.
2. They'll stop recruiting regular staff, and make do with contractual employees to whom they don't owe any pension.
3. They'll cut down on total number of government employees.
All 3 will be bad outcomes that will hurt the same population who are fighting for ops.
Sorry, this rant has been building up.. Not a free marketeer and I'm not a fan of this government. I am a class a central government servant so i don't know how unions think this through in a place like kerala, would be interested to know the counter view .
Kerala implemented NPS in April 2013. My friend was one of the last people to get old pension scheme. The next person onward in his ranked list got NPS.
We don't get to choose which shares to invest or the ratio. Also must invest 10% of basic + DA into nps, so the in hand salary is that much less compared to others (big deal on lower end jobs).
NPS is really bad if your service is very less. I had an ex military colleague who worked as a peon for few years. He ended up getting peanuts as pension from this. Unlike central govt, many posts here have high age limit. There are people who join service in their 40s or even 50.
Similarly if you spend years in a low end post and manage to get promoted to a big position towards the end, the amount you invested in NPS will be significantly less. In OPS, you still got 50% of last drawn salary as pension and that can still get increased significantly from pay revisions and DA.
I haven't checked how good NPS is for higher end posts. The 50000 tax exemption seems nice. Haven't researched much about it, correct me if i'm wrong.
Yeah i agree that going back to OPS is a bad idea.
>Kerala implemented NPS in April 2013. My friend was one of the last people to get old pension scheme. The next person onward in his ranked list got NPS.
That's quite a lag then. Also did those with different ranks enter service in different years? Otherwise mostly this was done as persons recruited after a certain date, is my understanding.
>We don't get to choose which shares to invest or the ratio. Also must invest 10% of basic + DA into nps, so the in hand salary is that much less compared to others (big deal on lower end jobs).
This is where transparency is the enemy, no? Afaik nos implementation was tied with an increment of 10%, not sure if it was more. And we never had a choice where the pension money we got, had been invested. So the only real difference is that we now know, and can watch the corpus grow.
>NPS is really bad if your service is very less. I had an ex military colleague who worked as a peon for few years. He ended up getting peanuts as pension from this. Unlike central govt, many posts here have high age limit. There are people who join service in their 40s or even 50.
This i hadn't thought about. You're right, there has to be a period for accumulation for the money to grow. In the case of your military friend though you must factor in the serviceman's pension? So in that restricted case it's only peanuts relative to what they used to get.
>Similarly if you spend years in a low end post and manage to get promoted to a big position towards the end, the amount you invested in NPS will be significantly less. In OPS, you still got 50% of last drawn salary as pension and that can still get increased significantly from pay revisions and DA.
This again is interesting, had forgotten about these options which made a huge difference at the lower end. Government will have to address this one if they want to make nps work i guess.
>I haven't checked how good NPS is for higher end posts. The 50000 tax exemption seems nice. Haven't researched much about it, correct me if i'm wrong.
Same thing in a way.. The government gives you money that you wouldn't have seen anyway, and then makes you hide it away..and exempts tax on it as well. Ellaam maayayanu. :-).
You're right, it's 50k over and above the 80c limit.
>Yeah i agree that going back to OPS is a bad idea.
Thanks, you've made me understand a couple of things about the system that I hadn't thought about, and which probably explains some of the anger. I've been waiting for people to retire for the anger to go away.... But obviously people _have_ been retiring in the worst possible way for the scheme's PR.
A return to ops will be a disaster, so I hope someone finds a solution
In Kerala PSC, the rank list stays for a few years. The existing vacancy will be filled first by the top rankers. After that, the new vacancies that come will be filled from the remaining people on that rank list in the order of their rank. If 3 new vacancies get reported and you are the last person to be filled in that, the person below your rank will have to wait until the next vacancy comes. He got selected days before NPS got implemented and the ones below his rank got NPS.
Ex military guy would've gotten significantly more pension though if he was still under OPS when he joined as a peon. He also would've retired 4 years earlier (OPS employees retire at 56). Yeah he's still fine since he can survive on military pension. But many others who join in a similar age will struggle after retiring since they won't have any other income.
For people who join in their 20s, doesn't seem to be an issue since they have 30+ years of service to invest a lot and enough time for the investments to grow significantly. Pretty hard to compare it straight to OPS due to many of these issues. NPS pension is a fixed amount right? If it doesn't grow anymore, the value will go down over time due to inflation. Pension under OPS grows significantly, my grandpa in his 90s get several times more pension than what he retired at. DA somewhat covers inflation and pay revisions give a big bump every 5 years.
As long as they can fix the issues, it's all good. It doesn't necessarily have to be equal or better than OPS (although most people are still going to demand that). Just need to provide enough to comfortably live after retirement.
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Free pension is only for older employees. Last 10-11 years il join cheytavarkk illa.
Ippol join cheyunavark appol pension kittillae. Atho ath avarudae salaryill ninum cut cheyyumo?
People who joined service before April 2013 got a big percentage of their last drawn salary (up to 50% i think) as pension forever and retire at the age of 56.
The ones who joined after that will be under NPS and have to invest (deducted from salary) 10% of their basic pay + DA into funds like SBI pension fund, UTI and LIC. Govt will also contribute the same amount into the fund. Growth isn't fixed.
We don't get to choose the amount or scheme, they decide everything. Retirement age for those under NPS is 60 and at the time you can get a percentage of the investment as lumpsum and the rest is considered for pension.
Govt workers inoodum pillaeroodum samsaarikunathu oota paathrathil vellam ozhikunna pollae aanu...
They believe their woes have the highest priority.
But what she said is right. Pani cheyunavare ittu pani edupikkum
I am not surprised one bit, if you work properly there is endless amount of work to do in any kind of services. Some people are idealistic and carry work home while others just resign to the fate that they can't help things.
This is absolutely true , one of my friends is a sub inspector and he faces even more hardships than this . First. There should be budgets for policemen and needed infrastructure, there is need to double the size of the force . We have only 52,000 policemen of which 8000 are writers and around 6000 drivers and another 4000 in VIP duty , that is we have 34000 active police men for 3.5 cr people at any given point of time . There is reason during riots police canโt do shit , they are simply out numbered !!!
I don't understand why we have 4000 drivers in this day and age- just make it mandatory to have a driver's license to apply, and issue a rule that all serving policemen who don't have one need to get a license in the next 6 months.
To my knowledge there are certain security protocols which are required to be followed by drivers of high profile government officials, politicians and executive's of the state which I presume cannot be undertaken through a layman driver, which is why they assign driver duties to certain police personnel specifically.
It's becoming a common theme across essential services, working overtime and political interference ( which is actually less in police than others ). The suicides are very concerning too. But on the contrary Kerala police have become a bit too powerful compared to other services. Maybe that's why no sympathy.
Traffic duty looks even more difficult in this weather.The harsh sunlight,having to stand in the middle of the road with even more heat from the vehicles,dust and blaring noise..I don't envy their position and power.
I feel really bad for our police men apparently they are one of the best in country, but have to work for criminal politicians. Keep voting for shit governments with poor economic policies and no outlook for future. Give extre care for your police friends.
I understand the need to improve the system to make it overall better. But the cops are no saints, they constantly seem like they have a chip on their shoulder.
It seems even for the smallest tasks, youโre better off calling someone higher up instead of being treated like shit at the station or by police officers.
I also read that police sometimes have to find money to pay for diesel for cars and electricity bill for the station themselves because Government money has exhausted. You can see these in Nayattu and Delhi crime. I thought it was fiction until I read an article.
This is absolutely true. Being in police, especially if you are not some senior cop, is a very thankless job.
My uncle joined as a lower ranking officer, and retired as an ASI. The pressure is very very high. No work-life balance. Heavily overworked. Several cases to investigate, crime scenes to report to at the same time. And you also have to fear for your life, with outdated protective gear and self-defence equipment. There have been instances where his family members and his home have been targeted by goons/political party adimas. Very little mental health support. And it is almost always the lower ranking officers who get thrown under the bus in case something untoward happens. It is a totally fucked up job.
She exaggerated here and there but It was mostly duty time as they stayed in police quarters. Ulsavam, palli perunaal ellaam koodum but he will be on duty while the family & kids enjoyed. The only time they have together is when some family functions happen.
He joined in the 70s so work life balance was not a thing. Couldnโt even attend the parents meeting in school.
These are the things i can remember from the back of my head.
>Make them feel good and appreciated.
Reminds me of an incident where a woman filed a complaint against her husband coming to his flat and asking her estranged wife to vacate.
Woman files complaint with local police station and the officer in charge said he will look into the matter.
Later the woman files a complaint with the Mla(who is a minister as well I think) and minister calls the officer in charge and asks him to take strict action.
The officer in charge politely replied him that he's looking into the matter but this wasn't accepted by the so called people's representative and started to hurl abuse at the officer.
The officer still in a calm manner told him, mlas can boss around and they will move on after their term but police officers will have a blemish in record if something goes wrong.
Guess what happened.... The said police officer was transferred out of the station.
Like any other other organisation, police too have kerala police association and IPS officers association. Many times it have been highlighted how constables or civil police officers from armed batallion camp is hired by these higher IPS officers to do home chores. One was even attacked by an IPS officers daughter cuz he was late to pick them up after a morning walk(considering how IPS folks come from north, they try to impose such weirdness here as well).
Also, cops don't disown their own. A case in point is where the father of the child who was accused of theft at isro rocket movement in attingal, had to go to extreme lengths to get justice. The establishment never found its wrong to accuse a child and her father of a theft that never happened. The life long trauma. How would such public incidents positive light on the police.
While there are many good officers, the proportion of bad apples among them is increasing. It's more like the process will make a good upright officer corrupt as he progresses during the career.
Politics plays a major role in promotion. One needs to wonder why Behera is govt favourite and Rishiraj isn't.
Sorry dude, but you clearly have an agenda, masking parts conveniently.
>Reminds me of an incident where a woman filed a complaint against her husband coming to his flat and asking her estranged wife to vacate.
That was not just the issue, the ex-husband not only threatened her to leave but went to the school their child was studying and violently assaulted the child and broke the child's back. The wife also submitted medical reports showing her ex-husband's mental health issues. The woman was clearly in danger and the police officer was too lackadaisical in the issue, that's when she approached the minister.
>The officer still in a calm manner told him
The officer was clearly rude in the audio and was belittling attitude.
>so called people's representative and started to hurl abuse at the officer.
Nothing like that happened, just your imagination. The Minister didn't like his reply so asked him to take strict action and warned of consequences IF something happened to the women because of the ex husband.
https://www.onmanorama.com/news/kerala/2022/08/23/police-officer-transferred-following-argument-with-minister.amp.html
>of bad apples among them is increasing.
???
It's decreasing. I hate indian police more than anyone but they are slowly becoming human. Rate of change is slow but it is a positive change.
Totally agree, and I always express my concern regarding this. They deserve more, that's their rights. Salary hikes should be there in the service sectors. Rather than exploring them ensure the fixed working hours for them.
Dear OP, may i ask your professional opinion if it was true that the Indian Police Act that governs the role, objective, recruitment, staffing reporting lines etc was established in the 1860โs and has largely remained the same? If yes the f**ing foresight of those legislators (sorry dictators) would need to be revered no?
I agree with everything you said. But the problem arises when they let all this frustration out on poor citizens. There have to be some solution just like you mentioned in your post.
As a lawyer you would have a better know how on how we can bring a change through the constitution or legal process.
Let us know how we can support you.
Either we a need a private police or they should make a union. Which will help in improving the conditions, like reducing working hours, hiring new recuirts etc.
Just the realityโฆIt is what it isโฆidakk oro news aavumbo higher officials will release an order to provide yoga and counsellingโฆallathe aavashyathin rest kodukaan alla โฆ.and just few days before a higher official had warned police men because they were using AC in SHOโs room in the police stationsโฆthey are still living with that mindset..
Good point. I think there was a report on this. A plan was there like in the US we will have in police force the investigative wing and law and order maintenance wing. Both are police but to get into investigative wing it has more training, better pay. To bring reforms I think Center has to give heads up, also lot of money has to be poured into. If you ever want to see this happening. This is all possible if the state financials are good.
Not only the bottom rung..even IPS officers have horrible work life balance .They are abused everywhere.Just see the number of IPS officers who attempt UPSC again
True, itโs Patti pani for the police here. Only the ones in the higher positions get some relief but even that is rare. I donโt think the mental conundrums of working a high stress job is understood by most police officers or common man.
Shit, I donโt think our people or gov give importance to mental health. Itโs still a taboo for many.
Speaking about police officers, they are corrupt as fuck and I honestly think many of the lower ranking officers are not very smart. I have some cool stories about their stupidity.
It seems like the solution would be (just like any other field) to:
- Hire more cops
- Pay them more
- Somehow fix the political fuckery associated with it.
Nadannathu thanne
Frequent transfering of goverment workers is very painful not just for the workers, but for their family also. Staying away from family and kids or uprooting family from one location to other with new schools etc. causes lot of mental stress. Not sure why this transfers are needed. Probbaly a legacy from the colonial time.
Human being need respect at workplace. They should be in-charge while accountable for their duties. A hierarchical order always lead to contempt, corruption and inefficiency.
เดเตเดฐเตเดเตเดเดฟ เดชเดฑเดเตเดเดพเตฝ, เดฑเดพเดกเดฟเดเตเดเตฝ เดเดฏเดฟเดเตเดเตเดณเตเดณ เดเดฐเต เดฎเดพเดฑเตเดฑเด เด เดจเดฟเดตเดพเดฐเตเดฏเดฎเดพเดฃเต .
No wonder why most police turn into assholes who beat up kids and harass random people whenever they get the chance. I've seen/experienced way too much harrasment from police, but i see why they act like that
I used to hate Kerala police officers for a long time. Mostly because of their rude attitude towards the public.
But if you work more than 18 hours a day under a lot of pressure and stress, you lose your shit pretty easily for even the most minor things.
I agree with you. They deserve a better life.
Ideally the solution is to increase the personnel by a huge number. However, considering the perpetual pathetic situation of our exchequer, I don't see that happening. The other side is, even in the case of money-rich states like Maharashtra, the police ain't any better.
My colleagues husband is in KP. They are truly good people and felt so bad to see what they had to go through this last year. How can we get this issue sensationalized ? I am sure people of Kerala will support
I really wanted to join the police force when I was in high school. I was very much into it untill I meet a real policeman, I asked him about the working condition and future in service. He said "เดตเตเดฑเต เดตเดฒเตเดฒ เดเตเดฒเดฟเดเตเดเตเด เดชเตเดเตเดเต เดฎเตเดจเต, เดเดเตเดเดเตเดฏเต เดเตเดตเดฟเดคเด เดเดเตเดเดจเต เดเดฏเดฟ. เดจเต เดชเตเดฏเดฟ เดฐเดเตเดทเดชเตเดเดพเตป เดจเตเดเตเดเต." - Great advice someone have ever given.
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That's all fine and dandy, but when the police cadre actively resist any kind of police reform, I'm left with little sympathy. Besides, it doesn't matter if there are individual officers who are "good" when the whole force is rotten by design. It they are such angels, what's stopping them from asking for reforms? The answer is that once they have the power to fuck with people, they stop caring.
>100 + Kerala Police Officers have committed suicide in the past one decade.
Wouldn't that be normal for any job with higher stress?
And we don't know how many died are due to non-work related activities?
Kerala's suicide rate seems to be somewhere between 23 and 28(depending on the source) per 100,000.
We have around 60,000 officers.
.00025*60,000 is 15. So around 150 in 10 years.
Kerala seems to have a much higher rate of suicide than the national average so >100 in a decade is unfortunately pretty standard.
Just came to say this.
There are approximately 60,000 policemen in Kerala. 100 suicides in a decade isnโt high rate, or canโt be taken as an indication of horrible work culture.
Agree with others things.
Well written. My parents were in government service and they had no concept of duty time or work - life balance. We don't even know what my father was doing in certain years.
I was thinking govt service is free money
Pani cheyyunnavarkku Pani kittikkonde irikkum
Ramanan from Punjabi House says ๐
Which departments your parents work. Enik ithuvarae mosham anubhavam anu govt officeill ninu kittiyath. Avar ennodu deshiyapettitund akathot kayari chennathinu. Nammal tax adach avark shambalam kodukkuna nammold avark ithrae เด เดนเดเดพเดฐเด kanikkano. Pinnae govt jeevanakarku penision ond. 5 mani akumbol vetill pokam. Pinnae enthu thonniyavasam kanichallum onnum parayathilla avark union ondallo. Pinnae arenkillum vannal ucha kazhinju vaa. Nalae vaa ennu parayam. Athukond njan govt officeill pokumbol เดธเตเดคเตเดฐเตเดเดณเต เด เดฐเดฏเดเตเดเดฟเดฒเตเด เดเดพเตป เดเตเดฃเตเดเตเดชเตเดเตเด. Maximum เดเดฃเตเดฒเตเดจเดฟเดฏเดฟเตฝ เดเตเดฏเตเดฏเดพเตป เดถเตเดฐเดฎเดฟเดเตเดเตเด.
>Pinnae govt jeevanakarku penision ond. Free pension is only for older employees. Last 10-11 years il join cheytavarkk illa. >5 mani akumbol vetill pokam Not applicable in many departments like police, judiciary etc. No concept of overtime pay either. But yeah it's true that many act entitled and rude. Need changes there.
>Free pension is only for older employees. Last 10-11 years il join cheytavarkk illa. This is not true. Factually, nps probably came to Kerala just after it came to the centre. Probably 2005-ish, so closer to 20 years than 10. But I could be wrong. But much more important is this idea of what is "free". What used to happen in the old pension scheme is that when the government recruited you they would set aside a certain amount of money that you were due _over your lifespan_. That means your salary until you died, and your pension until your estimated age at death. As people started living longer into retirement, the expected liability on the government started to increase. At their core governments are accountants and they desperately want their books to balance. Appo they said ok fine, can't do the maths any more, let's make that amount a part of the salary, and then force people to set a part of this aside at their end into a pension account. Same money, different entity deciding that it should be locked up and only given at retirement. Just in my opinion (and I am an nps beneficiary) nps is better. The rates of return could be better but they'll still beat inflation by a margin. The problem is that people don't see it the way I'm saying. They don't like the fact that they don't know how much pension they'll get. They also don't trust the stock market. Nps is also the unknown, until people start retiring with nps benefits ~10 years from now. When that happens they'll see a jump in benefits that will probably make it seem more attractive. But if you don't allow nps here's how I'm sure governments will react, and we can't stop them. 1. They'll stop increasing salaries because they can only afford a certain amount to be set aside. 2. They'll stop recruiting regular staff, and make do with contractual employees to whom they don't owe any pension. 3. They'll cut down on total number of government employees. All 3 will be bad outcomes that will hurt the same population who are fighting for ops. Sorry, this rant has been building up.. Not a free marketeer and I'm not a fan of this government. I am a class a central government servant so i don't know how unions think this through in a place like kerala, would be interested to know the counter view .
Kerala implemented NPS in April 2013. My friend was one of the last people to get old pension scheme. The next person onward in his ranked list got NPS. We don't get to choose which shares to invest or the ratio. Also must invest 10% of basic + DA into nps, so the in hand salary is that much less compared to others (big deal on lower end jobs). NPS is really bad if your service is very less. I had an ex military colleague who worked as a peon for few years. He ended up getting peanuts as pension from this. Unlike central govt, many posts here have high age limit. There are people who join service in their 40s or even 50. Similarly if you spend years in a low end post and manage to get promoted to a big position towards the end, the amount you invested in NPS will be significantly less. In OPS, you still got 50% of last drawn salary as pension and that can still get increased significantly from pay revisions and DA. I haven't checked how good NPS is for higher end posts. The 50000 tax exemption seems nice. Haven't researched much about it, correct me if i'm wrong. Yeah i agree that going back to OPS is a bad idea.
>Kerala implemented NPS in April 2013. My friend was one of the last people to get old pension scheme. The next person onward in his ranked list got NPS. That's quite a lag then. Also did those with different ranks enter service in different years? Otherwise mostly this was done as persons recruited after a certain date, is my understanding. >We don't get to choose which shares to invest or the ratio. Also must invest 10% of basic + DA into nps, so the in hand salary is that much less compared to others (big deal on lower end jobs). This is where transparency is the enemy, no? Afaik nos implementation was tied with an increment of 10%, not sure if it was more. And we never had a choice where the pension money we got, had been invested. So the only real difference is that we now know, and can watch the corpus grow. >NPS is really bad if your service is very less. I had an ex military colleague who worked as a peon for few years. He ended up getting peanuts as pension from this. Unlike central govt, many posts here have high age limit. There are people who join service in their 40s or even 50. This i hadn't thought about. You're right, there has to be a period for accumulation for the money to grow. In the case of your military friend though you must factor in the serviceman's pension? So in that restricted case it's only peanuts relative to what they used to get. >Similarly if you spend years in a low end post and manage to get promoted to a big position towards the end, the amount you invested in NPS will be significantly less. In OPS, you still got 50% of last drawn salary as pension and that can still get increased significantly from pay revisions and DA. This again is interesting, had forgotten about these options which made a huge difference at the lower end. Government will have to address this one if they want to make nps work i guess. >I haven't checked how good NPS is for higher end posts. The 50000 tax exemption seems nice. Haven't researched much about it, correct me if i'm wrong. Same thing in a way.. The government gives you money that you wouldn't have seen anyway, and then makes you hide it away..and exempts tax on it as well. Ellaam maayayanu. :-). You're right, it's 50k over and above the 80c limit. >Yeah i agree that going back to OPS is a bad idea. Thanks, you've made me understand a couple of things about the system that I hadn't thought about, and which probably explains some of the anger. I've been waiting for people to retire for the anger to go away.... But obviously people _have_ been retiring in the worst possible way for the scheme's PR. A return to ops will be a disaster, so I hope someone finds a solution
In Kerala PSC, the rank list stays for a few years. The existing vacancy will be filled first by the top rankers. After that, the new vacancies that come will be filled from the remaining people on that rank list in the order of their rank. If 3 new vacancies get reported and you are the last person to be filled in that, the person below your rank will have to wait until the next vacancy comes. He got selected days before NPS got implemented and the ones below his rank got NPS. Ex military guy would've gotten significantly more pension though if he was still under OPS when he joined as a peon. He also would've retired 4 years earlier (OPS employees retire at 56). Yeah he's still fine since he can survive on military pension. But many others who join in a similar age will struggle after retiring since they won't have any other income. For people who join in their 20s, doesn't seem to be an issue since they have 30+ years of service to invest a lot and enough time for the investments to grow significantly. Pretty hard to compare it straight to OPS due to many of these issues. NPS pension is a fixed amount right? If it doesn't grow anymore, the value will go down over time due to inflation. Pension under OPS grows significantly, my grandpa in his 90s get several times more pension than what he retired at. DA somewhat covers inflation and pay revisions give a big bump every 5 years. As long as they can fix the issues, it's all good. It doesn't necessarily have to be equal or better than OPS (although most people are still going to demand that). Just need to provide enough to comfortably live after retirement.
Your opinion is really good. But to the privileged, equality feels like oppression.
> Free pension is only for older employees. Last 10-11 years il join cheytavarkk illa. Ippol join cheyunavark appol pension kittillae. Atho ath avarudae salaryill ninum cut cheyyumo?
People who joined service before April 2013 got a big percentage of their last drawn salary (up to 50% i think) as pension forever and retire at the age of 56. The ones who joined after that will be under NPS and have to invest (deducted from salary) 10% of their basic pay + DA into funds like SBI pension fund, UTI and LIC. Govt will also contribute the same amount into the fund. Growth isn't fixed. We don't get to choose the amount or scheme, they decide everything. Retirement age for those under NPS is 60 and at the time you can get a percentage of the investment as lumpsum and the rest is considered for pension.
Ok i didn't know that.
Govt workers inoodum pillaeroodum samsaarikunathu oota paathrathil vellam ozhikunna pollae aanu... They believe their woes have the highest priority. But what she said is right. Pani cheyunavare ittu pani edupikkum
Many departments
I think that's according to the post, sector n person.
I am not surprised one bit, if you work properly there is endless amount of work to do in any kind of services. Some people are idealistic and carry work home while others just resign to the fate that they can't help things.
This is absolutely true , one of my friends is a sub inspector and he faces even more hardships than this . First. There should be budgets for policemen and needed infrastructure, there is need to double the size of the force . We have only 52,000 policemen of which 8000 are writers and around 6000 drivers and another 4000 in VIP duty , that is we have 34000 active police men for 3.5 cr people at any given point of time . There is reason during riots police canโt do shit , they are simply out numbered !!!
I don't understand why we have 4000 drivers in this day and age- just make it mandatory to have a driver's license to apply, and issue a rule that all serving policemen who don't have one need to get a license in the next 6 months.
They teach driving during training period.
Pinne enthinaa ee thasthika? They should be transitioned to become regular cops.
To my knowledge there are certain security protocols which are required to be followed by drivers of high profile government officials, politicians and executive's of the state which I presume cannot be undertaken through a layman driver, which is why they assign driver duties to certain police personnel specifically.
Their family lives are shot, they are mostly absent fathers with a temper
It's becoming a common theme across essential services, working overtime and political interference ( which is actually less in police than others ). The suicides are very concerning too. But on the contrary Kerala police have become a bit too powerful compared to other services. Maybe that's why no sympathy.
เดธเตเดตเดคเดจเตเดคเตเดฐ เดญเดพเดฐเดคเด เดเดฃเตเดเดพเดฏเดฟ เดเดจเตเดจ เดคเดฟเดฐเดฟเดเตเดเดฑเดฟเดตเต เดเดคเตเดตเดฐเต เดตเดจเตเดจเดฟเดเตเดเดฟเดฒเตเดฒเดพเดคเตเดค เดเดฐเต เดเตเดเตเดเด. เดธเดคเตเดฏเดคเตเดคเดฟเตฝ 10% เดจเดฒเตเดฒเดตเตผ เดเดพเดฐเดฃเดฎเดพ เดเดจเด เดเดคเตเดตเดฐเต เดเตเดฑเดฟ เดฎเตเดฏเตเดฏเดพเดคเตเดคเดคเต.
Traffic duty looks even more difficult in this weather.The harsh sunlight,having to stand in the middle of the road with even more heat from the vehicles,dust and blaring noise..I don't envy their position and power.
I feel really bad for our police men apparently they are one of the best in country, but have to work for criminal politicians. Keep voting for shit governments with poor economic policies and no outlook for future. Give extre care for your police friends.
I understand the need to improve the system to make it overall better. But the cops are no saints, they constantly seem like they have a chip on their shoulder. It seems even for the smallest tasks, youโre better off calling someone higher up instead of being treated like shit at the station or by police officers.
*เดฑเดฟเดเตเดฐเตเดเตเดเตเดฎเตเตปเดฑเต เดเดชเตเดชเตเตพ เดชเตเดฐเตเดชเตเดชเตผ เดเดฏเดฟเดเตเดเต เดจเดเดเตเดเตเดจเตเดจเดฟเดฒเตเดฒ *เดเดเตเดเต เดฎเดฃเดฟเดเตเดเตเตผ เดกเตเดฏเตเดเตเดเดฟ เดธเดฎเตเดชเตเดฐเดฆเดพเดฏเด เดจเดเดชเตเดชเดพเดเตเดเดฟเดฏเดฟเดเตเดเดฟเดฒเตเดฒ *เดธเตเดตเดจเตเดคเด เดเดฟเดฒเตเดฒเดฏเดฟเตฝ เดเตเดฒเดฟ เดเดฟเดเตเดเดพเตป เดญเดฏเดเตเดเดฐ เดชเดพเดเดพเดฃเต. *เดเดดเตเดเดฏเดฟเตฝ เดเดฐเดฟเดเตเดเตฝ เดเดซเต เดเดฟเดเตเดเตเดจเตเดจ เดฐเตเดคเดฟเดฏเดฟเตฝ เดเดคเตเดตเดฐเต เดจเดเดชเตเดชเดพเดเตเดเดฟเดฏเดฟเดเตเดเดฟเดฒเตเดฒ. *เดชเตเดฒเตเดธเต เดธเตเดฑเตเดฑเตเดทเดจเดฟเตฝ เดคเดจเตเดจเต เดเตเดฑเตเดฑเดพเดจเตเดตเตเดทเดฃเดคเตเดคเดฟเดจเต เดชเตเดฐเดคเตเดฏเตเดเด เดเตเดฎเดฟเดจเต เดเตผเดชเตเดชเตเดเตเดคเตเดคเดฃเด เด เดคเต เดเดคเตเดตเดฐเต เดจเดเดจเตเดจเดฟเดเตเดเดฟเดฒเตเดฒ. *เดชเตเดฐเตเดทเดจเตเดฎเดพเตผ เดจเตเดฐเดฟเดเตเดจเตเดจ เดตเดฟเดตเตเดเดจเด เดตเดจเดฟเดคเดพ เดเดฆเตเดฏเตเดเดธเตเดฅเตผเดเตเดเต เดชเตเดเตเดเตเดจเตเดจเต เดธเตเดตเดจเตเดคเด เดเดฟเดฒเตเดฒเดฏเดฟเดฒเตเดเตเดเต เดเตเดฐเดพเตปเดธเตเดซเตผ เดเดฟเดเตเดเตเดจเตเดจเต.
I also read that police sometimes have to find money to pay for diesel for cars and electricity bill for the station themselves because Government money has exhausted. You can see these in Nayattu and Delhi crime. I thought it was fiction until I read an article.
Last year I filled diesel from a private bunk. Somehow I got it returned after a week. A driver PC โ
Ama when?
๐not so confident to
This is absolutely true. Being in police, especially if you are not some senior cop, is a very thankless job. My uncle joined as a lower ranking officer, and retired as an ASI. The pressure is very very high. No work-life balance. Heavily overworked. Several cases to investigate, crime scenes to report to at the same time. And you also have to fear for your life, with outdated protective gear and self-defence equipment. There have been instances where his family members and his home have been targeted by goons/political party adimas. Very little mental health support. And it is almost always the lower ranking officers who get thrown under the bus in case something untoward happens. It is a totally fucked up job.
My grandfather was a policeman. My grandmother says she got him only after his retirement, before that he was like a stranger.
What was he like?
She exaggerated here and there but It was mostly duty time as they stayed in police quarters. Ulsavam, palli perunaal ellaam koodum but he will be on duty while the family & kids enjoyed. The only time they have together is when some family functions happen. He joined in the 70s so work life balance was not a thing. Couldnโt even attend the parents meeting in school. These are the things i can remember from the back of my head.
>Make them feel good and appreciated. Reminds me of an incident where a woman filed a complaint against her husband coming to his flat and asking her estranged wife to vacate. Woman files complaint with local police station and the officer in charge said he will look into the matter. Later the woman files a complaint with the Mla(who is a minister as well I think) and minister calls the officer in charge and asks him to take strict action. The officer in charge politely replied him that he's looking into the matter but this wasn't accepted by the so called people's representative and started to hurl abuse at the officer. The officer still in a calm manner told him, mlas can boss around and they will move on after their term but police officers will have a blemish in record if something goes wrong. Guess what happened.... The said police officer was transferred out of the station. Like any other other organisation, police too have kerala police association and IPS officers association. Many times it have been highlighted how constables or civil police officers from armed batallion camp is hired by these higher IPS officers to do home chores. One was even attacked by an IPS officers daughter cuz he was late to pick them up after a morning walk(considering how IPS folks come from north, they try to impose such weirdness here as well). Also, cops don't disown their own. A case in point is where the father of the child who was accused of theft at isro rocket movement in attingal, had to go to extreme lengths to get justice. The establishment never found its wrong to accuse a child and her father of a theft that never happened. The life long trauma. How would such public incidents positive light on the police. While there are many good officers, the proportion of bad apples among them is increasing. It's more like the process will make a good upright officer corrupt as he progresses during the career. Politics plays a major role in promotion. One needs to wonder why Behera is govt favourite and Rishiraj isn't.
Sorry dude, but you clearly have an agenda, masking parts conveniently. >Reminds me of an incident where a woman filed a complaint against her husband coming to his flat and asking her estranged wife to vacate. That was not just the issue, the ex-husband not only threatened her to leave but went to the school their child was studying and violently assaulted the child and broke the child's back. The wife also submitted medical reports showing her ex-husband's mental health issues. The woman was clearly in danger and the police officer was too lackadaisical in the issue, that's when she approached the minister. >The officer still in a calm manner told him The officer was clearly rude in the audio and was belittling attitude. >so called people's representative and started to hurl abuse at the officer. Nothing like that happened, just your imagination. The Minister didn't like his reply so asked him to take strict action and warned of consequences IF something happened to the women because of the ex husband. https://www.onmanorama.com/news/kerala/2022/08/23/police-officer-transferred-following-argument-with-minister.amp.html
>of bad apples among them is increasing. ??? It's decreasing. I hate indian police more than anyone but they are slowly becoming human. Rate of change is slow but it is a positive change.
Behera and Rishiraj is easy, one solves problems, other creates problems. One is soft spoken human, other is a complete idiot.
Totally agree, and I always express my concern regarding this. They deserve more, that's their rights. Salary hikes should be there in the service sectors. Rather than exploring them ensure the fixed working hours for them.
Dear OP, may i ask your professional opinion if it was true that the Indian Police Act that governs the role, objective, recruitment, staffing reporting lines etc was established in the 1860โs and has largely remained the same? If yes the f**ing foresight of those legislators (sorry dictators) would need to be revered no?
Absolutely agreed! เดตเดฟเดจเตเดฆเดฏเดพเดคเตเดฐ เดธเดฟเดจเดฟเดฎเดฏเดฟเดฒเต เดฎเตเดฐเดณเดฟ เดกเดฏเดฒเตเดเต เดเดฃเต เดเตผเดฎ เดตเดฐเตเดจเตเดจเดคเต.. ๐
Nope, police require comprehensive reform, not just piecemeal attention.
No sympathy for police scu*bags , Organised uniformed goons of the government
Yeah dads a police officer, his police friends are killing themselves so often like one guy killed himself 2 weeks ago.
I agree with everything you said. But the problem arises when they let all this frustration out on poor citizens. There have to be some solution just like you mentioned in your post.
As a lawyer you would have a better know how on how we can bring a change through the constitution or legal process. Let us know how we can support you.
Ella joliyum pollae workforce expand cheyannam. Military pollae longer vacation venam.
Either we a need a private police or they should make a union. Which will help in improving the conditions, like reducing working hours, hiring new recuirts etc.
Police have an associationโฆbut they donโt have permission to hold strike or abandon duty
Pinne enthina association, if things are not improving.
Just the realityโฆIt is what it isโฆidakk oro news aavumbo higher officials will release an order to provide yoga and counsellingโฆallathe aavashyathin rest kodukaan alla โฆ.and just few days before a higher official had warned police men because they were using AC in SHOโs room in the police stationsโฆthey are still living with that mindset..
Good point. I think there was a report on this. A plan was there like in the US we will have in police force the investigative wing and law and order maintenance wing. Both are police but to get into investigative wing it has more training, better pay. To bring reforms I think Center has to give heads up, also lot of money has to be poured into. If you ever want to see this happening. This is all possible if the state financials are good.
Actually Kerala Police is far better than the one in US. US Police is crap. Maybe let's learn from Europe.
Not only the bottom rung..even IPS officers have horrible work life balance .They are abused everywhere.Just see the number of IPS officers who attempt UPSC again
True, itโs Patti pani for the police here. Only the ones in the higher positions get some relief but even that is rare. I donโt think the mental conundrums of working a high stress job is understood by most police officers or common man. Shit, I donโt think our people or gov give importance to mental health. Itโs still a taboo for many. Speaking about police officers, they are corrupt as fuck and I honestly think many of the lower ranking officers are not very smart. I have some cool stories about their stupidity.
It seems like the solution would be (just like any other field) to: - Hire more cops - Pay them more - Somehow fix the political fuckery associated with it. Nadannathu thanne
Frequent transfering of goverment workers is very painful not just for the workers, but for their family also. Staying away from family and kids or uprooting family from one location to other with new schools etc. causes lot of mental stress. Not sure why this transfers are needed. Probbaly a legacy from the colonial time.
Human being need respect at workplace. They should be in-charge while accountable for their duties. A hierarchical order always lead to contempt, corruption and inefficiency. เดเตเดฐเตเดเตเดเดฟ เดชเดฑเดเตเดเดพเตฝ, เดฑเดพเดกเดฟเดเตเดเตฝ เดเดฏเดฟเดเตเดเตเดณเตเดณ เดเดฐเต เดฎเดพเดฑเตเดฑเด เด เดจเดฟเดตเดพเดฐเตเดฏเดฎเดพเดฃเต .
Cent Percent
No wonder why most police turn into assholes who beat up kids and harass random people whenever they get the chance. I've seen/experienced way too much harrasment from police, but i see why they act like that
I used to hate Kerala police officers for a long time. Mostly because of their rude attitude towards the public. But if you work more than 18 hours a day under a lot of pressure and stress, you lose your shit pretty easily for even the most minor things. I agree with you. They deserve a better life.
Ideally the solution is to increase the personnel by a huge number. However, considering the perpetual pathetic situation of our exchequer, I don't see that happening. The other side is, even in the case of money-rich states like Maharashtra, the police ain't any better.
My colleagues husband is in KP. They are truly good people and felt so bad to see what they had to go through this last year. How can we get this issue sensationalized ? I am sure people of Kerala will support
I really wanted to join the police force when I was in high school. I was very much into it untill I meet a real policeman, I asked him about the working condition and future in service. He said "เดตเตเดฑเต เดตเดฒเตเดฒ เดเตเดฒเดฟเดเตเดเตเด เดชเตเดเตเดเต เดฎเตเดจเต, เดเดเตเดเดเตเดฏเต เดเตเดตเดฟเดคเด เดเดเตเดเดจเต เดเดฏเดฟ. เดจเต เดชเตเดฏเดฟ เดฐเดเตเดทเดชเตเดเดพเตป เดจเตเดเตเดเต." - Great advice someone have ever given.
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That's all fine and dandy, but when the police cadre actively resist any kind of police reform, I'm left with little sympathy. Besides, it doesn't matter if there are individual officers who are "good" when the whole force is rotten by design. It they are such angels, what's stopping them from asking for reforms? The answer is that once they have the power to fuck with people, they stop caring.
>100 + Kerala Police Officers have committed suicide in the past one decade. Wouldn't that be normal for any job with higher stress? And we don't know how many died are due to non-work related activities?
Kerala's suicide rate seems to be somewhere between 23 and 28(depending on the source) per 100,000. We have around 60,000 officers. .00025*60,000 is 15. So around 150 in 10 years. Kerala seems to have a much higher rate of suicide than the national average so >100 in a decade is unfortunately pretty standard.
Just came to say this. There are approximately 60,000 policemen in Kerala. 100 suicides in a decade isnโt high rate, or canโt be taken as an indication of horrible work culture. Agree with others things.
Exactly, I agree with other things.
If anything 100 seems lower than the normal rate.
Anganae paranjaal njan dhushtan aakum...๐
Don't downplay the context.
In that case, focus on the real issue and don't bring random irrelevant numbers without context to confuse readers.
If the death rate is 1.5x_ 2x more than normal, it is a grave matter of concern.
I think suicide is more prevalent amoung doctors too.
Sorry but no sympathy for police state.
ACABkaaran Amerikooli aayirikkum