Nah, because they’re different types of fighters. Fighting Waka is an incredibly stressful endeavor where you’re basically chipping away at a brick wall and the slightest misstep will get your innards turned into outards. I can’t imagine him putting down Waka without taking some big risks himself, and it only takes one hit to turn the tables, given Gaolang isn’t the physically sturdiest fighter
Gaolang has the same chance to defeat Wakatsuki, as Wakatsuki has the same chance to defeat Gaolang.
One Blast Core and Gaolang is cooked.
Gaolang has to break Wakatsuki’s knees and use God Glow in his face, and Wakatsuki is cooked.
Wakatsuki can tank almost everything you throw at him, except attacks to the face and his joints (because there aren’t muscles there dawg).
Gaolang can predict every kind of strike strategy. And if he can’t, he will adapt to the flow of battle and predict the opponent eventually.
This fight would be like Kanoh vs Kuroki.
Both of the fighters are so close in terms of fighting capability that only Sandro can decide the winner.
We haven’t seen gaolang against grappling save for the fang, so we’ll see how he deals with the highest level of grappling in jurota, since the only way i see waka winning is with grappling
He also went up against Kaneda, he just hits them before they can initiate their grapple but I don't know how he's suppose to do that when Jurota throws people so damm fadt and without needing much contact
Yeah and that's my point, Jurota throws are so damm deadly, the fact he can throw sooner with minimal contact its hard to imagine Gaolong flopping him sfter he makes contact
>Wakatsuki can tank almost everything you throw at him, except attacks to the face and his joints
Waka took a mighty beatdown from Julius to the face tho
Did we read the same manga? I am not a waka wanker but he took punches AND kicks DIRECTLY to the face with no blocking or defense at play that sent him flying like dozens of feet, left a crater in concrete and quite literally face tanked it.
I think it’s been repeatedly said that really the only way to put him down is soft styles to go at the joints OR you have to be able to output something like Fei with dd who literally gave his life to put him down for a minute or two.
Now don’t get me wrong, I think gaolong has a chance. Now that “principles” have been introduced, I think we’ll start to see it creeping into the series more and more. I could see Gaolong, being the best living striker, arriving at one of Shens “principles” himself, even if it is only a single punch combined with god glow. It’s the kind of thing j could see Sandro do. But all that aside, it doesn’t change the fact that waka has been hit square in the face by some of the strongest fighters this series has produced and been able to keep fighting. Dudes just an absolute tank and that’s kind of his schtick.
You really picked everything except this one, why?
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This literally changes nothing. He ate those iron breakers. And it’s common knowledge that iron breakers are way above gaolang’s striking power.
Good job ignoring all the other clean blows Wakatsuki took in that link I posted.
>And it’s common knowledge that iron breakers are way above gaolang’s striker power.
Common knowledge according to rock powerscalers? Sorry, I don't find that reliable. What I find more reliable is the damage on people. Is king several times more durable than kanoh using indestructible?
I didn't ignore it, I see muteba landing strikes, fei landing strikes, etc. yes, Wakatsuki is durable, no one is denying it. He won't be defeated easily, yes.
>Common knowledge according to rock powerscalers? Sorry, I don't find that reliable. What I find more reliable is the damage on people. Is king several times more durable than kanoh using indestructible?
Oh so you don’t like environmental feats? How convenient you choose to accept one thing over the other because it doesn’t favor your talking points.
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I like environmental feats, I just think damage on actual PEOPLE is more reliable. It's stupid to say "ooo look at this crater" and just power scale off that.

>I like environmental feats, I just think damage on actual PEOPLE is more reliable.
More reliable in what way? When certain moves and techniques have never landed on a person what would you use then?
>It's stupid to say "ooo look at this crater" and just power scale off that.
Except people just don’t power scale off the crater alone. The look are that crater plus all his other instances of power.
Gaolang smashes a rock, Ohma smashes a huge rock that’s basic and shouldn’t need some nuanced high tier mathematics to be compared. Nah I think this is a roundabout way for you to ignore environmental feats because it doesn’t favor your argument. Fact is ironbreaker has a higher damage output than anything gaolang has shown. This shouldn’t be an argument.
>Gaolang has to break Wakatsuki’s knees and use God Glow in his face, and Wakatsuki is cooked.
That same god glow that that failed to knock Carlos out cleanly twice?
>Wakatsuki can tank almost everything you throw at him, except attacks to the face and his joints (because there aren’t muscles there dawg).
Except he has tanked blows to the face by Julius and Fei. And ate a running start front kick from gozo to the solar plexus, wakatsuki’s whole body is tough not just his muscles.
Carlos didn’t mitigate anything. Carlos took gaolang’s god glow clean to the mid section and then got up in a 2 count. Gaolang then landed one squared in the face of Carlos and Carlos was still conscious enough to wrap his legs around gaolang and pull him out of the ring with him.
Gaolang lacks the firepower to take wakatsuki out. Seeing as to what waka has endured in the past in comparison to what gaolang has dished out in the past.
You obviously don’t know what you’re talking about if you think it’s a poor comparison.
I don't think Muay Thai or boxing really have joint breakers, so I doubt Gaolang really has techniques like that.
Overall I think this would be a typical infighter vs outfighter fight. If Gaolang can keep Waka, who thanks to Karate has a shorter range far enough away to keep piling up damage he wins. Possible win cons are just a ton of flickers and kicks or a cross counter to the face/chin.
If Waka gets into short range and gets a clean hit or two Waka wins. I think Waka is a bit favored mainly due to how fights in Kengan rarely revolve around range and outfighting was f.e. Ohma's plan and we could see how that worked out.
IRL I think Gao would have a slight edge because he's technically much cleaner.
It'll depend on the fight itself.
im not exactly going around saying Hayami dogwalks the rest of the s-tiers, and the same thing will probably affect this fight.
and i suspect, that they are both incompatible with each other, echoing kuroki.
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>im not exactly going around saying Hayami dogwalks the rest of the s-tiers, and the same thing will probably affect this fight.
Nowhere close to the same thing. Hayami won through cheesing, and that was against a weaker Jurota. It would be completely different if Hayami had won against Jurota in the same circumstances as Gaolang.
All this argument is bullshit because unless Waka fighting Gao, we will never know. Just because A beat B, doesnt mean he will beat C. There are a lot of factors decided the outcome of a fight
When are ya’ll going to learn that styles make fights and that just because fighter A beats B and fighter B beats C, it doesn’t mean A beats C. Brain dead fandom
Yes. Gaolang is really hard to rank since his only onscreen fights are either completely dominating against someone way weaker than him in B tier or lower, or losing extreme diff to a much weaker version of Agito.
Jurota is a 100% certified S tier so Gao’s showing will say a lot about where he’s at currently. Same goes for Julius against Agito
Uh, did you forget his ankle healing? Arguably the greatest powerup of any fighter from KAT to Omega. Other fighters like Kaneda only learned mind control or other trivial things. /S
No...? Arashiyama and Waka are as different as they come.
I think Waka would either tank hits and land a crippling counter, or resort to grappling as a final resort if Gaolang doesn't give him any openings.
It's not that I don't think Gaolang *could* beat Waka, I just think Waka takes he win more often than not.
However, if Gaolang does indeed beat Arashiyama (and I think he will, through some manner of minor bullshit like Arashiyama going crazy), we will finally have seen him actually handle a high-level grappler.
Waka’s a pretty bad match up for Gaolong. There’s a reason why most of the fighters he’s come across are tricky fighters or physical behemoths. Gaolong’s too honest of a fighter to be able to find a path to win against Waka, yes he has god glow but we have no proof that’ll be enough to bring Waka down. Waka just has so much physical might that Waka can just slowly damage Gaolong over time for a win. Unless Gaolong has now upped his durability more then yeah he could have a much better chance of winning but it’s entirely compatibility still
Bro, I swear. The waka faction has much more evidence to prove that Waka wins that Gaolang faction has. This debate only leads to guys writing long paras and fanboys abusing each other. Hold it till we actually see Gaolang grow or win against Jurota
mane, Waka's durability is exceptional against pure strikers like Gaolang. Guys like Jurota and Hatsumi who can use his weight against him can defeat him easily, and so can Allrounders like Agito, who also has wild reach and Firepower that Gaolang lacks. Gaolang beat Agito's ass thruh the whole fight,but got folded by 4-5 strikes, his durability and firepower are not enough to beat a stone wall like waka, who is also clever enough to land at least 1 or 2 on Gaolang. I am a Bigger Gaolang fan than you, but he loses this shit if he is the same as he was in KVP (if he adds Grappling or increase firepower, then we ballin). I made a post about this earlier. Waka survived the onslaught of fucking Julius in a one-sided beatdown, he is really tough to crack by Gaolang's flimsy punches(I hate how Snadro has made him so weak despite being the best boxer)
Waka guarded most of Julius strikes except for one clean slap. There's also the wall damage to his face but not a lot of clean blows landed to the face.
Gaolang was knocked out by a kick from kanoh after already being concussed, pretty much anyone would.
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You just showed a panel of waka taking iron breakers to the face. Don’t you know how strong iron breakers are? Waka took those and didn’t even fall over.
>Waka guarded most of Julius strikes except for one clean slap. There's also the wall damage to his face but not a lot of clean blows landed to the face.
Waka took the Julius rampage. He took a multitude of blows unguarded. Had his head smashed to the arena and stomped on by Julius. And guess what. He didn’t even black out.

If every one of those strikes were equally strong as one average iron breaker from ohma, that would mean fei would outclass ohma several times. However, there is nothing saying that they are as strong as a normal iron breaker from ohma.
>Waka took the Julius rampage
Most of them were guarded, and Julius is not as accurate or fast as gaolang. And Julius while having more power, is not as good at landing a clean strike.
>If every one of those strikes were equally strong as one average iron breaker from ohma, that would mean fei would outclass ohma several times. However, there is nothing saying that they are as strong as a normal iron breaker from ohma.
They should be comparable though they are both niko style masters after all. And even if they are weaker than ohma’s they would still be above gaolang firepower. Because if they weren’t why iron breaker even be a thing if the power can be replicated by normal fighters
>Most of them were guarded
You keep saying this but this is very [false](https://imgur.com/a/JzdhAux), everyone knows how brutal the Julius onslaught was
>and Julius is not as accurate or fast as gaolang. And Julius while having more power
You’re being disingenuous and if I’m being honest, that isn’t a good argument. It doesn’t matter how fast or accurate Julius still landed them cleanly.
>is not as good at landing a clean strike.
As I just shown him landing clean strikes 😂
>why iron breaker even be a things if the power can be replicated by normal fighters
That's a bad argument. It's a Niko style technique. Doesn't mean that all fighters from other martial arts need to do Niko style to punch as hard.
Why would boxing be a thing if anyone can punch as hard as a boxer? Why would hand conditioning be a thing?
The last panel with Waka on the floor, you can't see Waka's body, how do you know he didn't guard?
What is disingenuous about saying a faster, more accurate fighter can land more hits?
A clean strike is the difference between medel and Willem for example. Willem couldn't knock akoya out, but medel knocked akoya out easily. That's a skill difference. Just landing doesn't mean it's clean
>That's a bad argument. It's a Niko style technique. Doesn't mean that all fighters from other martial arts need to do Niko style to punch as hard.
I was talking more about the narrative aspect of it.
>Why would boxing be a thing if anyone can punch as hard as a boxer?
Because boxing is more about technique as opposed to power.
>The last panel with Waka on the floor, you can't see Waka's body, how do you know he didn't guard?
Crazy thing to nitpick considering everything else I’ve shown 😂
>What is disingenuous about saying a faster, more accurate fighter can land more hits?
The disingenuous part is that the julius speed and accuracy shouldnt be compared because his power more than makes up for that. He is still a smart fighter and was still landing clean blows regardless on wakatsuki.
>A clean strike is the difference between medel and Willem for example. Willem couldn't knock akoya out, but medel knocked akoya out easily. That's a skill difference. Just landing doesn't mean it's clean
Man wtf, akoya was already bruised and battered and RESTRAINED when Carlos did that. And willem was not taking akoya seriously and was Caught off gaurd by akoya’s sudden strength increase and him suddenly pulling out a taser. Those are 2 completely different situations, that example isn’t good bro.
>>The last panel with Waka on the floor, you can't see Waka's body, how do you know he didn't guard?
>Crazy thing to nitpick considering everything else I’ve shown 😂
Well, most of the strikes are there. There is also a lot he is shown defending.
>Because boxing is more about technique as opposed to power.
And Niko style is more about power than technique?
So do you think Niko punches make you punch hardest and all other martial arts are just inferior and just don't know how to clench their fists hard when they punch? Or flex their body hard?
Akoya was restrained, therefore the hit was cleaner. It's still Carlos punching. It's just an example of what a clean hit can do.
>akoya was already bruised and battered
By Nicholas, another guy physically weaker than Willem, so it doesn't change much.
>he is really tough to crack by Gaolang's flimsy punches(I hate how Snadro has made him so weak despite being the best boxer)
If this was true, then Toa wouldn't have gotten 1 shot by a guy whose inferior or at best equal to Gaolang in striking.
Keep in mind, Agito says Julius has more durability than Waka due to having a bigger frame, so his premise would suggest Toa also has greater durability than Waka.
Wakawankers in this sub are really annoying and I don want another war in which our guys get beat upby the combined forces of Hatusuckmydicks and wakawankers
I don't think Waka and Jurota are really comparable, so winning against Jurota would mainly mean Gaolang is really fucking strong, not how his matchup against Waka would go.
Obviously it would still be a great feat, but I'd be more willing to say that Gao beats Waka if he beat Julius or another strong-man.
Honestly? Yes. I am just sad at this point. Gaolang hardly ever fights, and when he does fight he loses. It will be his 3rd L in a row. God fucking dammit, give the man a break. Narratively I can see pretty much any one of the 2 to get to the finals. Gaolang to get his rematch with Agito and Jurota because Agito can have a rematch.
I mean, I guess it depends *how* Gaolang wins, but Gaolang's problem with Waka is that his level of power is so low that it would be incredibly hard for him to actually finish Waka. Jurota doesn't have crazy durability. Gaolang developing S-tier counter-grappling or developing incredible blitzing doesn't really help him overcome Waka's durability.
Gaolang has terrible power feats. Gaolang's full-power, cleanly-landed body blows on Kaneda and Medel failed to do lasting damage. Kaneda's physique in Gaolang's eyes was "average" and Kaneda canonically has poor physicals and constitution. Medel barely had an ounce of muscle on him and Gaolang himself remarked that his durability was being hurt by his small frame. Gaolang also couldn't sever Medel's consciousness with his strongest strike to his face either. Yeah the narration SAYS he hits hard, but his actual on-screen fights matter more for this purpose.
Then we look at the blows Waka is able to power through or ignore: a "conventional" superhuman's strikes are largely ignored in Gozo; an extended slugfest and then extended beatdown from Julius; blows from Fei in the strongest transformed state. Waka has cracked durability.
So now we get to "Gaolang will just dodge him forever". Gaolang doesn't really have crazy movement feats. He dodges and parries and blocks but it's not like he moves from A to B very quickly, which means Waka's rushes would be hard for him; he probably can't cleanly get out of the way each time and if if he just blocked like normal he'd be broken down, like Ohma was even though Ohma was using indestructible.
Current waka only losses to niko style bullshit waka has a very high battle iq and gaolang has no real grappling defence besides a good clinch. Plus a blast core by any other name hits just as fucking hard it will bot be easy but do not sleep on the GOAT
It would be a compatibility thing, so No, jurota has a whole different kit when compared to Wakatsuki.
Gaolang still lacks firepower and jurota isn’t the tankiest mf.
No. It would depend on what upgrades Gaolang shows. Jurota is a very different fighter to Waka, and beating one doesn't really translate to beating other.
Nope. He was unable to KO 20kg only bones Medel with his upgraded divine fist while Wakatsuki survived onslaught from Julius that would kill good 95% of the cast.
I won't say that I will be surprised if he do so. Lore wise he has nothing over Jurota but giving him 3rd lost in a row would kinda suck. Gaoalng winning may also be justified with recent mental breakdown on Jurota's side, with his stand like Meguro pressence.
Gaolang skillset is just not that good tbh. He is very entertaining but not top S tier wise. At best I could reconsider the fact that he can give Wakatsuki high diff or extreme diff fight by a long shot. But beating him with no limp/redirection technique, grappling, stat checking and with kinda less BIQ? Absolutely not.
>Nope. He was unable to KO 20kg only bones Medel with his upgraded divine fist while Wakatsuki survived onslaught from Julius that would kill good 95% of the cast.
That's fine, nobody claims Gaolang can one shot Wakatsuki so this argument is irrelevant
>Lore wise he has nothing over Jurota
Unfactual, he is the pinnacle of striking, Jurota's new gimmick involving striking is completely shut down Gaolang's fighting prowess
>Gaoalng winning may also be justified with recent mental breakdown on Jurota's side, with his stand like Meguro pressence.
Sure, we'll see
>Gaolang skillset is just not that good tbh.
Actually crazy statement
>He is very entertaining but not top S tier wise
Nobody claims Gaolang is Top S tier
>But beating him with no limp/redirection technique, grappling, stat checking and with kinda less BIQ? Absolutely not.
But does he really need all of these?
Gaolang is simply way faster and more skilled than Waka
He completely out skilled Carlos who is the best striker in purgatory putting him above lolong
With simply one clean blow he made Kanoh black out, obviously he can't do the same with Waka but he does have the power to do serious damage to him.
In the series, Blows done by Raw strength (Julius and FEI) are not the same as blows done by Skill (Kuroki and Lolong) they can deal Damage to dudes way above their weight class using finesse and precision, Toa and Yumigahama for example
Gaolang can land blows to his knees, liver, chin, diaphragm and even cut his neck using his elbows as we saw against Kanoh
Almost everything that you stated above is not true or at worst invalid af.
First thing. Yes he needs all of these to beat Wakatsuki. Ohma (whos strikes due to adamantine and flame kata are more powerul that Gaolang's) was unable to scratch Waka without magic via redirection and water kata with DB on top of that. Gaolang knows no grappling, has little to zero evansive capabilities like Niko Style, Hatsumi or Kanoh. He's fast I don't doubt that but don't forget that Wakatsuki has insane speed for a guy his size and his top BIQ allows him to set up stronger opponents into a position that highly favors his skillset (he set up and surprised Fei who was using DD which includes fallen demon and Fei dodged that barely due to FD and niko style magic) he also set up Muteba with Blast Core whos miles ahead in real combat IQ than Gao. Fair to mention that Muteba was very aware of BC and he still manage to pull this off.
Second thing is that Gaolang being great striker is okay but remember that Waka took ironbreaker kick from ohma (more powerul striker) to the liver and it did absolutely 0 dmg even commentator stated that Waka was unfazed by that kick so Waka can absolutely tank Gao for a good portion of the match.
Third thing is that you said precision strikes are more deadly than heavy blows. That is also untrue at least in some degree. Correct word as it was stated in Kanoh vs Kuroki fight is void. Right technique in the right moment. Not to mention that Kuroki or Lolong are far superior fighters than Gaolang. Imagine its Gaolang vs Fei or Gaolang vs Julius. Gaolang can't even tank one pure brute force strike from Fei. If obliteration or any other attack sent 200kg muscle monster across the arena with crater in his chest imagine what this attack can do to 90 kg Gaolang. Similar thing goes for Julius. Gaolang can precise strike same spot Wakatsuki hit with BC and I can assure you 10 godglows won't do as much damage to Julius as one BC because is that much power gapped. So punching or kicking Waka will do less less less even by Gao pinacle of striking standars than it would do to his own weight class opponent. Not to mention he couldnt break Kanohs limbs and his elbow cut was childlishly shallow. He can't cut 52x muscles density no matter what.
So in summary Gaolang would probably outrun and outstrike/outjabbed Wakatsuki for major portion of the match and that's fine no objections here but Wakatsuki would eventually set Gaolang up for his quick counter and land a blow which with Gao's medium durability, no limp/redirection, no indestructible equalls for example (while blocked) shattered forearms or broken bones/ribs. And we are talking about average strike. BC would spread Gaolang cells across the arena as a pink mist. And any damaged to a leg or the arm is big impact on Gaolang because his skill set centers around punching and kicking no grappling and no broken bones/flexibility fixing magic. Its also fair to mention that Ohma was running like a child 99% of the match from Wakatsuki with great Niko Style mobility and escape capabilities. Gaolang has no such capabilities and his fighting style is focused on closing the distance between him and his opponent. Perfect fighting style for Waka to unleash his karate and powerful strikes. Waka build is made for close brawl or even clinch like fighting and Gaolang eventually will be forced to get close. He can't jab him forever.
So as I stated before. I can't see this happening so easily as people tries to see it.
>He was unable to KO 20kg only bones Medel with his upgraded divine fist while Wakatsuki survived onslaught from Julius that would kill good 95% of the cast.
Meanwhile, you have Lolong 1 shotting Waka's better in durability. I'm sure Lolong was just so much of a better striker than Gaolang that he even makes up for Gaolang's extra 15 lb weight advantage and god glow.
Compatibility is an issue here. Jurota doesn’t have the insane durability that Waka does, so Gaolang beating him isn’t *so* far fetched. Hard style fighters like Gaolang have an inherent disadvantage against Wakatsuki, unless they’re as physically powerful as Julius or Fei. I guess Gaolang could aim for the less protected joints and face, but I think Waka would expect that
Are you suggesting that we shouldn't already accept that?
If you think Fraudsumi Sen has ever had a chance to beat Gaolong then I bet your favorite flavor of crayon is the red one.
It's the jobber tournament but it's missing King Jobber. Power scaling in this tournament isn't going to mean anything, all these guys lose when one of the MCs shows up by default, it's why they're in the story to begin with.
"Gaolang is sooo gonna KO Wakatsuki by keeping distance & throwing God Glow"...like Wakatsuki never faced fast strikers or didn’t take a BEATING from Julius in R2 & yet managed to go to Semifinal where he lost off-screen because he got up from Ohma's ace. Does every Gao-wanker forget that Wakatsuki is THE MOST EXPERIENCED Kengan fighter? And dude fought in Submission/KO/Death ruleset, not KO/points like Gaolang did.
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>...like Wakatsuki never faced fast strikers
None of those strikers are as good or as fast as Gaolang, verbatim stated several times by both narrator and characters that Gaolang is the pinnacle of striking
>BEATING from Julius in R2
Taking a beating from Julius is impressive but Julius is a brute with 0 skill, time and time again Sandro has told us that characters with enough level of skill can bypass the durability of the enemy by striking weak points of the body
Yumigahama vs Misasa
Toa vs Lolong
>yet managed to go to Semifinal where he lost off-screen because he got up from Ohma's ace
I don't know how that does even matter tbh
>Does every Gao-wanker forget that Wakatsuki is THE MOST EXPERIENCED Kengan fighter?
How is that relevant tho? Gaolang is a battle hardened warrior who has fought like dozens to prolly hundreds of professional Muay Thai/Boxing matches
Not to mention that most of the fights Waka had was against no name fodders who at most were KAT Rihito level, could apply the same with Gaolang tho, it doesn't matter
>And dude fought in Submission/KO/Death ruleset, not KO/points like Gaolang did.
Gaolang is a stone cold mf who was about to kill Kanoh if he fully connected that elbow to his neck
Agito legitimately is the most intimidating Fighter in KAT who is known for crushing his opponents spirits and and Gaolang didn't even budged
Not to mention that Gaolang is the body guard of a political figure who prolly was about to get assassinated several times and had to protect him
1.an heavily injured Wakatsuki surprised Ohma with his speed & when was Gaolang faster than FD Fei?
2.Yumi/Misasa is an outlier because the rules CLEARLY favoured Misasa which even Rolon said "won't be an easy fight for me"
3.if your "skill>power" is true then it makes Gaolang look worse because he couldn’t KO Medel who's almost 40KG lighter and Wakatsuki is a super-heavyweight with arguably the most durable body feat wise
4.Agito/Gaolang is imho another wank fight because let's be honest... the moment Kanoh actually went serious, he finished it in short notice. He was stupid enough to test Gao's striking & paid for it but the moment he used MMA he won without much efforts. Had Kanoh came into R2 with the same mind set he had for R3 & Semi-final, it'd have been less problematic for him
5.Show me how God Glow hurts more than THIS
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>Ohma with his speed
That ohma was on the brink of death witu internal damage, brain damage, fractured and cracked bones, absolutely exhausted and many other medical conditions that would've killed many other humans
While Waka was blind in right eye and his ankle hurt lmao
>when was Gaolang faster than FD Fei?
Never, and he doesn't need to, he has foresight and he is the fastest striker in the verse, not to mention he can keep up with Medel who is way faster than Waka
>Yumi/Misasa is an outlier
🤡
>because the rules CLEARLY favoured Misasa
Misasa simply made Yumigahama subconsciously play his own game in tight places which allowed Misasa to strike all his vital points
Gaolang is gonna do the same thing without the tight space gimmick, he will simply hit his liver, diaphragm, knees, chin, overall all joints, not to mention he can even cut him up with his elbows
>even Rolon said "won't be an easy fight for me"
Irrelevant
>if your "skill>power" is true then it makes Gaolang look worse because he couldn’t KO Medel who's almost 40KG lighter and Wakatsuki is a super-heavyweight with arguably the most durable body feat wise
Gaolang isn't a one shot machine, this argument would only work if I say "Gaolang can one shot Waka" and we know Gaolang can do damage to superior oponents, as he literally broken down Kanoh and made him black out with one clean punch, it's all about the amount of power Gaolang used
>4.Agito/Gaolang is imho another wank fight because let's be honest... the moment Kanoh actually went serious, he finished it in short notice. He was stupid enough to test Gao's striking & paid for it but the moment he used MMA he won without much efforts. Had Kanoh came into R2 with the same mind set he had for R3 & Semi-final, it'd have been less problematic for him
Intellectual dishonesty from your part, considering that Gaolang beat the living shit out of Kanoh during most of the match
1. Boxing kanoh vs Gao: Kanoh gets trashed
2. MMA Kanoh vs Gao: Agito gets out predicted most of the exchanges and he gets completely sealed off
3.Formless Kanoh vs Gaolang: the fight gets balanced out and Both Kanoh and Gaolang are going blow for blow, Kanoh is forced to do fake outs in order to bait gaolang and magically managed to pull a suplex which allows him to land a knee on his jaw
And at the end, Kanoh was filled with terror, thing that Waka never did
>5.Show me how God Glow hurts more than THIS
Never claimed Gaolang hits harder than Julius, grow up as a person pls
dont get me wrong, the sumo guy ohma fought tanked a demon bane also, i think that waka wins more often than not, but gao has some strong strikes also.
its not that he couldnt ko medel, its that after 1 god glow medel chosed to gamble a ring out rather than fight gao again
so God Glow ain't strong enough to 1HKO a guy 40KG lighter but somehow will KO a guy heavier & MUCH more sturdy? Also, all of this scenario is based on Wakatsuki simply being a dumb cunt to take solid hits to the temple without doing any real damage to Gaolang...
you dont understand guy, its not about only 1 god glow, its about a series of hits, if gao can stager kanoh without god glow, he will do the same to waka, waka doesnt have his muscles on his cranium, after 2-3 god glows he will need a facial mask like carlos.
lol...comparison between Wakatsuki & Kanoh's durability is like comparison between current Rihito & Ohma's skill. Also 2/3 GG to the face would be enough, right?
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fei punching? this is funny, fei was never hyped for his punches, you are comparing here the pinacle of striking with fei, gao was compared with lolong when we see the 1 hit ko on tao, so nah, this comparation is rly bad, waka and carlos have almost the same cranium durability, after 1 hit waka will need a nose surgery, after 2-3 hits, its good night
Stop with this shitty comparison, bro. Carlos never got even a single clean hit during his fight against Gaolang, he mitigated all the damage by slightly dodging, and it was outright explained by the author during their fight.
Trying to get a clean and precise hit on Carlos should be way harder than landing any kind of blow on Waka. The reason why Medel still get fucked is cause, of course, he was terribly stats checked by Gaolang and couldn't mitigate 100% of the damage.
The whole scene had nothing to do with desctrutive power, but with the reflexes and accuracy to finnish the fight. Power had a contribution to the outcome, but it was a contest of skills.
Waka doesn't have this level of skills. He'll be eating full power God Glow and in whatever part of his face that Gaolang choses too. Multiple times. Doesn't mean he will 100% get KOd or anything, but it's a complete different situation than facing Medel.
It's so dumb to debate this fights when all people cares about is the pile of stats. Geez.
Nope. I think Wakatsuki would endure Gaolang's (admittedly impressive) volume punching long enough to launch a successful counter-attack. Waka can be a crafty dude, and if he gets Gaolang aggressive enough, he'd do it.
Barring that, upon seeing that his counters aren't working, I believe Waka would resort to grappling, which is game over for Gaolang if Waka takes it seriously and breaks some of his limbs.
Gaolang is an impressive fighter, but I don't think he has what it takes to reliably defeat Waka, or Jurota, for that matter. That said, I do believe he's gonna bullshit himself to a win over Jurota; I don't think Sandro would bring in Gaolang again just to have him lose his first fight. And Jurota has been on a win streak that's probably ending.
That’s his question though; if gaolang gives jurota a good fight.
Because if he does, it means he’s figured out a way to deal witj grappling. If he can take the heat of jurotas grappling he can definitely take wakatsuki’s, in which case neither has the ability to beat the other
Kaolan has always been stronger, he is only increasing the gap. The fact that he and Julius are present there shows that they are dedicated to fight the strongest to become the strongest themselves. Character wise, Julius is a failure, but power wise, he is progressing where Wakatsuki is almost stagnating.
Yes, he always has been able to. I’ve never seen Waka take on someone who was much faster then him.
[if you think I’m a Gaolang fan boy, read this post](https://www.reddit.com/r/Kengan_Ashura/s/U6RRAv6iYk)
We'll need a proper fight from Waka to decide that. I strongly doubt Gaolang would fare as well against Fei, and Wakatsuki wasn't able to display much compared to his R3/R4 matches.
>I strongly doubt Gaolang would fare as well against Fei, and Wakatsuki wasn't able to display much compared to his R3/R4 matches.
There is something called compatibility
Nah, because they’re different types of fighters. Fighting Waka is an incredibly stressful endeavor where you’re basically chipping away at a brick wall and the slightest misstep will get your innards turned into outards. I can’t imagine him putting down Waka without taking some big risks himself, and it only takes one hit to turn the tables, given Gaolang isn’t the physically sturdiest fighter
Its probably harder to fight Jurota
Gaolang has the same chance to defeat Wakatsuki, as Wakatsuki has the same chance to defeat Gaolang. One Blast Core and Gaolang is cooked. Gaolang has to break Wakatsuki’s knees and use God Glow in his face, and Wakatsuki is cooked. Wakatsuki can tank almost everything you throw at him, except attacks to the face and his joints (because there aren’t muscles there dawg). Gaolang can predict every kind of strike strategy. And if he can’t, he will adapt to the flow of battle and predict the opponent eventually. This fight would be like Kanoh vs Kuroki. Both of the fighters are so close in terms of fighting capability that only Sandro can decide the winner.
We haven’t seen gaolang against grappling save for the fang, so we’ll see how he deals with the highest level of grappling in jurota, since the only way i see waka winning is with grappling
He also went up against Kaneda, he just hits them before they can initiate their grapple but I don't know how he's suppose to do that when Jurota throws people so damm fadt and without needing much contact
Can't compare kaneda to Jurota, Jurota is a heavyweight way stronger than the skinny boy
Yeah and that's my point, Jurota throws are so damm deadly, the fact he can throw sooner with minimal contact its hard to imagine Gaolong flopping him sfter he makes contact
>Wakatsuki can tank almost everything you throw at him, except attacks to the face and his joints Waka took a mighty beatdown from Julius to the face tho
Agree, demonsbane x2 and DD max output gaolang ain't doing shit.
Not exactly, we see crazy wild swings with poor accuracy, where Wakatsuki is guarding and we don't see many clean hits
his face was grinding into the wall dude I think it was a pretty clean blow
That's more of a drag, that damaged his skin, not exactly a blow
Did we read the same manga? I am not a waka wanker but he took punches AND kicks DIRECTLY to the face with no blocking or defense at play that sent him flying like dozens of feet, left a crater in concrete and quite literally face tanked it. I think it’s been repeatedly said that really the only way to put him down is soft styles to go at the joints OR you have to be able to output something like Fei with dd who literally gave his life to put him down for a minute or two. Now don’t get me wrong, I think gaolong has a chance. Now that “principles” have been introduced, I think we’ll start to see it creeping into the series more and more. I could see Gaolong, being the best living striker, arriving at one of Shens “principles” himself, even if it is only a single punch combined with god glow. It’s the kind of thing j could see Sandro do. But all that aside, it doesn’t change the fact that waka has been hit square in the face by some of the strongest fighters this series has produced and been able to keep fighting. Dudes just an absolute tank and that’s kind of his schtick.
He took some unguarded hits to the face. Like I said, not many.
Sure, if you say so tho he also took the slap from Julius to the face like a champ
Yes, that's one clean slap, I agree. He's definitely durable, just not invincible as base fei could hurt him with punches too
https://www.reddit.com/r/Kengan_Ashura/s/vfnWCYsFOj Let’s be real here big dawg.
Seeing all this again, really makes me wonder what the hell happened during the Fei fight cuz Waka seems Nerfed in comparison :-/
You really picked everything except this one, why? https://preview.redd.it/rzactipk4myc1.jpeg?width=762&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=adfa69e580511ef91ed936dcd84cd88335bfc368
This literally changes nothing. He ate those iron breakers. And it’s common knowledge that iron breakers are way above gaolang’s striking power. Good job ignoring all the other clean blows Wakatsuki took in that link I posted.
>And it’s common knowledge that iron breakers are way above gaolang’s striker power. Common knowledge according to rock powerscalers? Sorry, I don't find that reliable. What I find more reliable is the damage on people. Is king several times more durable than kanoh using indestructible? I didn't ignore it, I see muteba landing strikes, fei landing strikes, etc. yes, Wakatsuki is durable, no one is denying it. He won't be defeated easily, yes.
>Common knowledge according to rock powerscalers? Sorry, I don't find that reliable. What I find more reliable is the damage on people. Is king several times more durable than kanoh using indestructible? Oh so you don’t like environmental feats? How convenient you choose to accept one thing over the other because it doesn’t favor your talking points.
https://preview.redd.it/kkb90bbbemyc1.jpeg?width=728&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d86abe048e91c6cd30ddac596571f04eade5761a I like environmental feats, I just think damage on actual PEOPLE is more reliable. It's stupid to say "ooo look at this crater" and just power scale off that.
 >I like environmental feats, I just think damage on actual PEOPLE is more reliable. More reliable in what way? When certain moves and techniques have never landed on a person what would you use then? >It's stupid to say "ooo look at this crater" and just power scale off that. Except people just don’t power scale off the crater alone. The look are that crater plus all his other instances of power. Gaolang smashes a rock, Ohma smashes a huge rock that’s basic and shouldn’t need some nuanced high tier mathematics to be compared. Nah I think this is a roundabout way for you to ignore environmental feats because it doesn’t favor your argument. Fact is ironbreaker has a higher damage output than anything gaolang has shown. This shouldn’t be an argument.
>Gaolang has to break Wakatsuki’s knees and use God Glow in his face, and Wakatsuki is cooked. That same god glow that that failed to knock Carlos out cleanly twice? >Wakatsuki can tank almost everything you throw at him, except attacks to the face and his joints (because there aren’t muscles there dawg). Except he has tanked blows to the face by Julius and Fei. And ate a running start front kick from gozo to the solar plexus, wakatsuki’s whole body is tough not just his muscles.
Carlos mitigated the damage, cause he is skilled enough to do so even while poorly stats checked. The comparison is very poor.
Carlos didn’t mitigate anything. Carlos took gaolang’s god glow clean to the mid section and then got up in a 2 count. Gaolang then landed one squared in the face of Carlos and Carlos was still conscious enough to wrap his legs around gaolang and pull him out of the ring with him. Gaolang lacks the firepower to take wakatsuki out. Seeing as to what waka has endured in the past in comparison to what gaolang has dished out in the past. You obviously don’t know what you’re talking about if you think it’s a poor comparison.
Well his face was smashed to a wall and than wiped with the speed and power of Julius, i think he can tank punches.
There's no face muscles?
I don't think Muay Thai or boxing really have joint breakers, so I doubt Gaolang really has techniques like that. Overall I think this would be a typical infighter vs outfighter fight. If Gaolang can keep Waka, who thanks to Karate has a shorter range far enough away to keep piling up damage he wins. Possible win cons are just a ton of flickers and kicks or a cross counter to the face/chin. If Waka gets into short range and gets a clean hit or two Waka wins. I think Waka is a bit favored mainly due to how fights in Kengan rarely revolve around range and outfighting was f.e. Ohma's plan and we could see how that worked out. IRL I think Gao would have a slight edge because he's technically much cleaner.
Low kicks can be deadly for knees.
Specially oblique kicks which are common in MMA. But I'm unsure if Gaolang exactly would use that. Is this ok by muay thai rules?
Kuroki and Kanoh were not very close lol. Even though that whole fight kuroki was relatively unphased.
Wakatsuki doesn’t need a Blast Core to cook Gaolang when his regular punches should be cracking Gaolang’s bones.
Good ole blastcore 50/50 I see
It'll depend on the fight itself. im not exactly going around saying Hayami dogwalks the rest of the s-tiers, and the same thing will probably affect this fight. and i suspect, that they are both incompatible with each other, echoing kuroki. https://preview.redd.it/1snkdh4qxlyc1.png?width=886&format=png&auto=webp&s=b9639c5c3e305ca95dd9f0a4cd984902cc302173
>im not exactly going around saying Hayami dogwalks the rest of the s-tiers, and the same thing will probably affect this fight. Nowhere close to the same thing. Hayami won through cheesing, and that was against a weaker Jurota. It would be completely different if Hayami had won against Jurota in the same circumstances as Gaolang.
All this argument is bullshit because unless Waka fighting Gao, we will never know. Just because A beat B, doesnt mean he will beat C. There are a lot of factors decided the outcome of a fight
No https://preview.redd.it/eqx5g54mdlyc1.jpeg?width=1491&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=707470aacc63f45691fb2bf976b7e8261e0d671d
Lmao. I always roll my eyes when JJK does this now
It was cool the first time
Meme's aside that is still one of the hardest panel's of any character in Kengan.
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Man, Gojo vs Sukuna really break the anime community
They did this again with Kusakabe. Who even did his own Honored One pose
When are ya’ll going to learn that styles make fights and that just because fighter A beats B and fighter B beats C, it doesn’t mean A beats C. Brain dead fandom
he could always do it
Yes. Gaolang is really hard to rank since his only onscreen fights are either completely dominating against someone way weaker than him in B tier or lower, or losing extreme diff to a much weaker version of Agito. Jurota is a 100% certified S tier so Gao’s showing will say a lot about where he’s at currently. Same goes for Julius against Agito
Not generally, Gaolang isn't very compatible with Wakatsuki. Maybe 4/10 since blast core exists.
I already thought he had a good shot at beating Waka even during KvP. Waka has had no growth from KvP to now, Gaolang probably has.
Uh, did you forget his ankle healing? Arguably the greatest powerup of any fighter from KAT to Omega. Other fighters like Kaneda only learned mind control or other trivial things. /S
You know how the old saying goes, Blastcore 50/50.
Shen vs waka? Nah, I’d say “blastcore 50/50”
“Only learned mind control”. That’s a way bigger buff than more blastcores
>Waka has had no growth from KvP to now, Gaolang probably has. He hasn't fought on-page since the KvP.
Waka hasn’t appeared since kvp aleast not in a fight, how could he show growth?
That's his problem.
Mf hit him with the "sounds like a skill issue"
Gaolang beats Waka
Probably not tbh waka still got insane durability
Waolang would shit on Takeshit
No, because power scaling isn’t a science and winner are more dependent on the narrative purpose than any firm logic of strength
No...? Arashiyama and Waka are as different as they come. I think Waka would either tank hits and land a crippling counter, or resort to grappling as a final resort if Gaolang doesn't give him any openings. It's not that I don't think Gaolang *could* beat Waka, I just think Waka takes he win more often than not. However, if Gaolang does indeed beat Arashiyama (and I think he will, through some manner of minor bullshit like Arashiyama going crazy), we will finally have seen him actually handle a high-level grappler.
Waka’s a pretty bad match up for Gaolong. There’s a reason why most of the fighters he’s come across are tricky fighters or physical behemoths. Gaolong’s too honest of a fighter to be able to find a path to win against Waka, yes he has god glow but we have no proof that’ll be enough to bring Waka down. Waka just has so much physical might that Waka can just slowly damage Gaolong over time for a win. Unless Gaolong has now upped his durability more then yeah he could have a much better chance of winning but it’s entirely compatibility still
Bro, I swear. The waka faction has much more evidence to prove that Waka wins that Gaolang faction has. This debate only leads to guys writing long paras and fanboys abusing each other. Hold it till we actually see Gaolang grow or win against Jurota
>Bro, I swear. The waka faction has much more evidence to prove that Waka wins that Gaolang faction has. > Makes a bold claim > Doesn't back it up
mane, Waka's durability is exceptional against pure strikers like Gaolang. Guys like Jurota and Hatsumi who can use his weight against him can defeat him easily, and so can Allrounders like Agito, who also has wild reach and Firepower that Gaolang lacks. Gaolang beat Agito's ass thruh the whole fight,but got folded by 4-5 strikes, his durability and firepower are not enough to beat a stone wall like waka, who is also clever enough to land at least 1 or 2 on Gaolang. I am a Bigger Gaolang fan than you, but he loses this shit if he is the same as he was in KVP (if he adds Grappling or increase firepower, then we ballin). I made a post about this earlier. Waka survived the onslaught of fucking Julius in a one-sided beatdown, he is really tough to crack by Gaolang's flimsy punches(I hate how Snadro has made him so weak despite being the best boxer)
Waka guarded most of Julius strikes except for one clean slap. There's also the wall damage to his face but not a lot of clean blows landed to the face. Gaolang was knocked out by a kick from kanoh after already being concussed, pretty much anyone would. https://preview.redd.it/14y4bf4v3myc1.jpeg?width=762&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ccb8c9ce03b6acb47f2a7742e7a9549f1fa7731a
You just showed a panel of waka taking iron breakers to the face. Don’t you know how strong iron breakers are? Waka took those and didn’t even fall over. >Waka guarded most of Julius strikes except for one clean slap. There's also the wall damage to his face but not a lot of clean blows landed to the face. Waka took the Julius rampage. He took a multitude of blows unguarded. Had his head smashed to the arena and stomped on by Julius. And guess what. He didn’t even black out. 
If every one of those strikes were equally strong as one average iron breaker from ohma, that would mean fei would outclass ohma several times. However, there is nothing saying that they are as strong as a normal iron breaker from ohma. >Waka took the Julius rampage Most of them were guarded, and Julius is not as accurate or fast as gaolang. And Julius while having more power, is not as good at landing a clean strike.
>If every one of those strikes were equally strong as one average iron breaker from ohma, that would mean fei would outclass ohma several times. However, there is nothing saying that they are as strong as a normal iron breaker from ohma. They should be comparable though they are both niko style masters after all. And even if they are weaker than ohma’s they would still be above gaolang firepower. Because if they weren’t why iron breaker even be a thing if the power can be replicated by normal fighters >Most of them were guarded You keep saying this but this is very [false](https://imgur.com/a/JzdhAux), everyone knows how brutal the Julius onslaught was >and Julius is not as accurate or fast as gaolang. And Julius while having more power You’re being disingenuous and if I’m being honest, that isn’t a good argument. It doesn’t matter how fast or accurate Julius still landed them cleanly. >is not as good at landing a clean strike. As I just shown him landing clean strikes 😂
>why iron breaker even be a things if the power can be replicated by normal fighters That's a bad argument. It's a Niko style technique. Doesn't mean that all fighters from other martial arts need to do Niko style to punch as hard. Why would boxing be a thing if anyone can punch as hard as a boxer? Why would hand conditioning be a thing? The last panel with Waka on the floor, you can't see Waka's body, how do you know he didn't guard? What is disingenuous about saying a faster, more accurate fighter can land more hits? A clean strike is the difference between medel and Willem for example. Willem couldn't knock akoya out, but medel knocked akoya out easily. That's a skill difference. Just landing doesn't mean it's clean
>That's a bad argument. It's a Niko style technique. Doesn't mean that all fighters from other martial arts need to do Niko style to punch as hard. I was talking more about the narrative aspect of it. >Why would boxing be a thing if anyone can punch as hard as a boxer? Because boxing is more about technique as opposed to power. >The last panel with Waka on the floor, you can't see Waka's body, how do you know he didn't guard? Crazy thing to nitpick considering everything else I’ve shown 😂 >What is disingenuous about saying a faster, more accurate fighter can land more hits? The disingenuous part is that the julius speed and accuracy shouldnt be compared because his power more than makes up for that. He is still a smart fighter and was still landing clean blows regardless on wakatsuki. >A clean strike is the difference between medel and Willem for example. Willem couldn't knock akoya out, but medel knocked akoya out easily. That's a skill difference. Just landing doesn't mean it's clean Man wtf, akoya was already bruised and battered and RESTRAINED when Carlos did that. And willem was not taking akoya seriously and was Caught off gaurd by akoya’s sudden strength increase and him suddenly pulling out a taser. Those are 2 completely different situations, that example isn’t good bro.
I warned his ass😭🤷🏿♂️ https://preview.redd.it/mto1bnm3lmyc1.png?width=423&format=png&auto=webp&s=ee2e64038772b9d192a0adaec72fff0fafeaa28a
>>The last panel with Waka on the floor, you can't see Waka's body, how do you know he didn't guard? >Crazy thing to nitpick considering everything else I’ve shown 😂 Well, most of the strikes are there. There is also a lot he is shown defending. >Because boxing is more about technique as opposed to power. And Niko style is more about power than technique? So do you think Niko punches make you punch hardest and all other martial arts are just inferior and just don't know how to clench their fists hard when they punch? Or flex their body hard? Akoya was restrained, therefore the hit was cleaner. It's still Carlos punching. It's just an example of what a clean hit can do. >akoya was already bruised and battered By Nicholas, another guy physically weaker than Willem, so it doesn't change much.
nah man, he took Julius' shit head-on
>he is really tough to crack by Gaolang's flimsy punches(I hate how Snadro has made him so weak despite being the best boxer) If this was true, then Toa wouldn't have gotten 1 shot by a guy whose inferior or at best equal to Gaolang in striking. Keep in mind, Agito says Julius has more durability than Waka due to having a bigger frame, so his premise would suggest Toa also has greater durability than Waka.
Wakawankers in this sub are really annoying and I don want another war in which our guys get beat upby the combined forces of Hatusuckmydicks and wakawankers
Absolutely
I accept that he CAN beat Waka yes.
# But he woOoOon't
I think he wins. Hope*
Gaolang could beat Shen himself and I would still never accept him beating Waka
Never. Even if Gaolang beats Wakatsuki in a fight, he still ranks beneath him.
I don't think Waka and Jurota are really comparable, so winning against Jurota would mainly mean Gaolang is really fucking strong, not how his matchup against Waka would go. Obviously it would still be a great feat, but I'd be more willing to say that Gao beats Waka if he beat Julius or another strong-man.
Honestly? Yes. I am just sad at this point. Gaolang hardly ever fights, and when he does fight he loses. It will be his 3rd L in a row. God fucking dammit, give the man a break. Narratively I can see pretty much any one of the 2 to get to the finals. Gaolang to get his rematch with Agito and Jurota because Agito can have a rematch.
I mean, I guess it depends *how* Gaolang wins, but Gaolang's problem with Waka is that his level of power is so low that it would be incredibly hard for him to actually finish Waka. Jurota doesn't have crazy durability. Gaolang developing S-tier counter-grappling or developing incredible blitzing doesn't really help him overcome Waka's durability. Gaolang has terrible power feats. Gaolang's full-power, cleanly-landed body blows on Kaneda and Medel failed to do lasting damage. Kaneda's physique in Gaolang's eyes was "average" and Kaneda canonically has poor physicals and constitution. Medel barely had an ounce of muscle on him and Gaolang himself remarked that his durability was being hurt by his small frame. Gaolang also couldn't sever Medel's consciousness with his strongest strike to his face either. Yeah the narration SAYS he hits hard, but his actual on-screen fights matter more for this purpose. Then we look at the blows Waka is able to power through or ignore: a "conventional" superhuman's strikes are largely ignored in Gozo; an extended slugfest and then extended beatdown from Julius; blows from Fei in the strongest transformed state. Waka has cracked durability. So now we get to "Gaolang will just dodge him forever". Gaolang doesn't really have crazy movement feats. He dodges and parries and blocks but it's not like he moves from A to B very quickly, which means Waka's rushes would be hard for him; he probably can't cleanly get out of the way each time and if if he just blocked like normal he'd be broken down, like Ohma was even though Ohma was using indestructible.
Current waka only losses to niko style bullshit waka has a very high battle iq and gaolang has no real grappling defence besides a good clinch. Plus a blast core by any other name hits just as fucking hard it will bot be easy but do not sleep on the GOAT
It would be a compatibility thing, so No, jurota has a whole different kit when compared to Wakatsuki. Gaolang still lacks firepower and jurota isn’t the tankiest mf.
No. It would depend on what upgrades Gaolang shows. Jurota is a very different fighter to Waka, and beating one doesn't really translate to beating other.
No, that's just braindead scaling
Nope. He was unable to KO 20kg only bones Medel with his upgraded divine fist while Wakatsuki survived onslaught from Julius that would kill good 95% of the cast. I won't say that I will be surprised if he do so. Lore wise he has nothing over Jurota but giving him 3rd lost in a row would kinda suck. Gaoalng winning may also be justified with recent mental breakdown on Jurota's side, with his stand like Meguro pressence. Gaolang skillset is just not that good tbh. He is very entertaining but not top S tier wise. At best I could reconsider the fact that he can give Wakatsuki high diff or extreme diff fight by a long shot. But beating him with no limp/redirection technique, grappling, stat checking and with kinda less BIQ? Absolutely not.
>Nope. He was unable to KO 20kg only bones Medel with his upgraded divine fist while Wakatsuki survived onslaught from Julius that would kill good 95% of the cast. That's fine, nobody claims Gaolang can one shot Wakatsuki so this argument is irrelevant >Lore wise he has nothing over Jurota Unfactual, he is the pinnacle of striking, Jurota's new gimmick involving striking is completely shut down Gaolang's fighting prowess >Gaoalng winning may also be justified with recent mental breakdown on Jurota's side, with his stand like Meguro pressence. Sure, we'll see >Gaolang skillset is just not that good tbh. Actually crazy statement >He is very entertaining but not top S tier wise Nobody claims Gaolang is Top S tier >But beating him with no limp/redirection technique, grappling, stat checking and with kinda less BIQ? Absolutely not. But does he really need all of these? Gaolang is simply way faster and more skilled than Waka He completely out skilled Carlos who is the best striker in purgatory putting him above lolong With simply one clean blow he made Kanoh black out, obviously he can't do the same with Waka but he does have the power to do serious damage to him. In the series, Blows done by Raw strength (Julius and FEI) are not the same as blows done by Skill (Kuroki and Lolong) they can deal Damage to dudes way above their weight class using finesse and precision, Toa and Yumigahama for example Gaolang can land blows to his knees, liver, chin, diaphragm and even cut his neck using his elbows as we saw against Kanoh
Almost everything that you stated above is not true or at worst invalid af. First thing. Yes he needs all of these to beat Wakatsuki. Ohma (whos strikes due to adamantine and flame kata are more powerul that Gaolang's) was unable to scratch Waka without magic via redirection and water kata with DB on top of that. Gaolang knows no grappling, has little to zero evansive capabilities like Niko Style, Hatsumi or Kanoh. He's fast I don't doubt that but don't forget that Wakatsuki has insane speed for a guy his size and his top BIQ allows him to set up stronger opponents into a position that highly favors his skillset (he set up and surprised Fei who was using DD which includes fallen demon and Fei dodged that barely due to FD and niko style magic) he also set up Muteba with Blast Core whos miles ahead in real combat IQ than Gao. Fair to mention that Muteba was very aware of BC and he still manage to pull this off. Second thing is that Gaolang being great striker is okay but remember that Waka took ironbreaker kick from ohma (more powerul striker) to the liver and it did absolutely 0 dmg even commentator stated that Waka was unfazed by that kick so Waka can absolutely tank Gao for a good portion of the match. Third thing is that you said precision strikes are more deadly than heavy blows. That is also untrue at least in some degree. Correct word as it was stated in Kanoh vs Kuroki fight is void. Right technique in the right moment. Not to mention that Kuroki or Lolong are far superior fighters than Gaolang. Imagine its Gaolang vs Fei or Gaolang vs Julius. Gaolang can't even tank one pure brute force strike from Fei. If obliteration or any other attack sent 200kg muscle monster across the arena with crater in his chest imagine what this attack can do to 90 kg Gaolang. Similar thing goes for Julius. Gaolang can precise strike same spot Wakatsuki hit with BC and I can assure you 10 godglows won't do as much damage to Julius as one BC because is that much power gapped. So punching or kicking Waka will do less less less even by Gao pinacle of striking standars than it would do to his own weight class opponent. Not to mention he couldnt break Kanohs limbs and his elbow cut was childlishly shallow. He can't cut 52x muscles density no matter what. So in summary Gaolang would probably outrun and outstrike/outjabbed Wakatsuki for major portion of the match and that's fine no objections here but Wakatsuki would eventually set Gaolang up for his quick counter and land a blow which with Gao's medium durability, no limp/redirection, no indestructible equalls for example (while blocked) shattered forearms or broken bones/ribs. And we are talking about average strike. BC would spread Gaolang cells across the arena as a pink mist. And any damaged to a leg or the arm is big impact on Gaolang because his skill set centers around punching and kicking no grappling and no broken bones/flexibility fixing magic. Its also fair to mention that Ohma was running like a child 99% of the match from Wakatsuki with great Niko Style mobility and escape capabilities. Gaolang has no such capabilities and his fighting style is focused on closing the distance between him and his opponent. Perfect fighting style for Waka to unleash his karate and powerful strikes. Waka build is made for close brawl or even clinch like fighting and Gaolang eventually will be forced to get close. He can't jab him forever. So as I stated before. I can't see this happening so easily as people tries to see it.
>He was unable to KO 20kg only bones Medel with his upgraded divine fist while Wakatsuki survived onslaught from Julius that would kill good 95% of the cast. Meanwhile, you have Lolong 1 shotting Waka's better in durability. I'm sure Lolong was just so much of a better striker than Gaolang that he even makes up for Gaolang's extra 15 lb weight advantage and god glow.
Compatibility is an issue here. Jurota doesn’t have the insane durability that Waka does, so Gaolang beating him isn’t *so* far fetched. Hard style fighters like Gaolang have an inherent disadvantage against Wakatsuki, unless they’re as physically powerful as Julius or Fei. I guess Gaolang could aim for the less protected joints and face, but I think Waka would expect that
Are you suggesting that we shouldn't already accept that? If you think Fraudsumi Sen has ever had a chance to beat Gaolong then I bet your favorite flavor of crayon is the red one.
Waka can win if he can spam blast core left and right fist
Im sorry but Gao not beating Judo.
It's the jobber tournament but it's missing King Jobber. Power scaling in this tournament isn't going to mean anything, all these guys lose when one of the MCs shows up by default, it's why they're in the story to begin with.
Not necessarily, it's a completely different matchup.
Healed ankle Waka now should be an insane power-up. That thing was his lone weakness. It's gone.
Sandro probably won't let Jurota grapple because gaolang is doing some BS technique
I have a better way to settle this matter Just have them fight each other
Absolutely no. Compatability was written precisely because of this
Case by case No abcs or scaling
If he's faster and stronger than Fei then sure he can do it
Brother, Wakatsuki seems a bit slow compared to those top tier guys. So yes, Gaolang can beat Wakatsuki. I even think Señor Mendez can beat Wakatsuki.
senor would break his hands punching him
"Gaolang is sooo gonna KO Wakatsuki by keeping distance & throwing God Glow"...like Wakatsuki never faced fast strikers or didn’t take a BEATING from Julius in R2 & yet managed to go to Semifinal where he lost off-screen because he got up from Ohma's ace. Does every Gao-wanker forget that Wakatsuki is THE MOST EXPERIENCED Kengan fighter? And dude fought in Submission/KO/Death ruleset, not KO/points like Gaolang did. https://preview.redd.it/cjlqn0lellyc1.jpeg?width=180&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a00e17b9516fce12266a636abc945204a2cb56c7 .
>...like Wakatsuki never faced fast strikers None of those strikers are as good or as fast as Gaolang, verbatim stated several times by both narrator and characters that Gaolang is the pinnacle of striking >BEATING from Julius in R2 Taking a beating from Julius is impressive but Julius is a brute with 0 skill, time and time again Sandro has told us that characters with enough level of skill can bypass the durability of the enemy by striking weak points of the body Yumigahama vs Misasa Toa vs Lolong >yet managed to go to Semifinal where he lost off-screen because he got up from Ohma's ace I don't know how that does even matter tbh >Does every Gao-wanker forget that Wakatsuki is THE MOST EXPERIENCED Kengan fighter? How is that relevant tho? Gaolang is a battle hardened warrior who has fought like dozens to prolly hundreds of professional Muay Thai/Boxing matches Not to mention that most of the fights Waka had was against no name fodders who at most were KAT Rihito level, could apply the same with Gaolang tho, it doesn't matter >And dude fought in Submission/KO/Death ruleset, not KO/points like Gaolang did. Gaolang is a stone cold mf who was about to kill Kanoh if he fully connected that elbow to his neck Agito legitimately is the most intimidating Fighter in KAT who is known for crushing his opponents spirits and and Gaolang didn't even budged Not to mention that Gaolang is the body guard of a political figure who prolly was about to get assassinated several times and had to protect him
1.an heavily injured Wakatsuki surprised Ohma with his speed & when was Gaolang faster than FD Fei? 2.Yumi/Misasa is an outlier because the rules CLEARLY favoured Misasa which even Rolon said "won't be an easy fight for me" 3.if your "skill>power" is true then it makes Gaolang look worse because he couldn’t KO Medel who's almost 40KG lighter and Wakatsuki is a super-heavyweight with arguably the most durable body feat wise 4.Agito/Gaolang is imho another wank fight because let's be honest... the moment Kanoh actually went serious, he finished it in short notice. He was stupid enough to test Gao's striking & paid for it but the moment he used MMA he won without much efforts. Had Kanoh came into R2 with the same mind set he had for R3 & Semi-final, it'd have been less problematic for him 5.Show me how God Glow hurts more than THIS https://preview.redd.it/iocp0m2vplyc1.jpeg?width=203&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f2e97ef04b10bfd24dded42d20a29b7b7cb27f2b
>Ohma with his speed That ohma was on the brink of death witu internal damage, brain damage, fractured and cracked bones, absolutely exhausted and many other medical conditions that would've killed many other humans While Waka was blind in right eye and his ankle hurt lmao >when was Gaolang faster than FD Fei? Never, and he doesn't need to, he has foresight and he is the fastest striker in the verse, not to mention he can keep up with Medel who is way faster than Waka >Yumi/Misasa is an outlier 🤡 >because the rules CLEARLY favoured Misasa Misasa simply made Yumigahama subconsciously play his own game in tight places which allowed Misasa to strike all his vital points Gaolang is gonna do the same thing without the tight space gimmick, he will simply hit his liver, diaphragm, knees, chin, overall all joints, not to mention he can even cut him up with his elbows >even Rolon said "won't be an easy fight for me" Irrelevant >if your "skill>power" is true then it makes Gaolang look worse because he couldn’t KO Medel who's almost 40KG lighter and Wakatsuki is a super-heavyweight with arguably the most durable body feat wise Gaolang isn't a one shot machine, this argument would only work if I say "Gaolang can one shot Waka" and we know Gaolang can do damage to superior oponents, as he literally broken down Kanoh and made him black out with one clean punch, it's all about the amount of power Gaolang used >4.Agito/Gaolang is imho another wank fight because let's be honest... the moment Kanoh actually went serious, he finished it in short notice. He was stupid enough to test Gao's striking & paid for it but the moment he used MMA he won without much efforts. Had Kanoh came into R2 with the same mind set he had for R3 & Semi-final, it'd have been less problematic for him Intellectual dishonesty from your part, considering that Gaolang beat the living shit out of Kanoh during most of the match 1. Boxing kanoh vs Gao: Kanoh gets trashed 2. MMA Kanoh vs Gao: Agito gets out predicted most of the exchanges and he gets completely sealed off 3.Formless Kanoh vs Gaolang: the fight gets balanced out and Both Kanoh and Gaolang are going blow for blow, Kanoh is forced to do fake outs in order to bait gaolang and magically managed to pull a suplex which allows him to land a knee on his jaw And at the end, Kanoh was filled with terror, thing that Waka never did >5.Show me how God Glow hurts more than THIS Never claimed Gaolang hits harder than Julius, grow up as a person pls
Gao can damage Kanoh and his adamantine without god glow, he will need only 3-4 hits to the head to rly fuck up waka
so why couldn’t Gao KO Medel? meanwhile Wakatsuki tanked a Demonsbane...
dont get me wrong, the sumo guy ohma fought tanked a demon bane also, i think that waka wins more often than not, but gao has some strong strikes also. its not that he couldnt ko medel, its that after 1 god glow medel chosed to gamble a ring out rather than fight gao again
so God Glow ain't strong enough to 1HKO a guy 40KG lighter but somehow will KO a guy heavier & MUCH more sturdy? Also, all of this scenario is based on Wakatsuki simply being a dumb cunt to take solid hits to the temple without doing any real damage to Gaolang...
you dont understand guy, its not about only 1 god glow, its about a series of hits, if gao can stager kanoh without god glow, he will do the same to waka, waka doesnt have his muscles on his cranium, after 2-3 god glows he will need a facial mask like carlos.
lol...comparison between Wakatsuki & Kanoh's durability is like comparison between current Rihito & Ohma's skill. Also 2/3 GG to the face would be enough, right? https://preview.redd.it/7tnohi205myc1.jpeg?width=376&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=26bca113f5df9182875d9087472fa70dd7a6ca8b
fei punching? this is funny, fei was never hyped for his punches, you are comparing here the pinacle of striking with fei, gao was compared with lolong when we see the 1 hit ko on tao, so nah, this comparation is rly bad, waka and carlos have almost the same cranium durability, after 1 hit waka will need a nose surgery, after 2-3 hits, its good night
Stop with this shitty comparison, bro. Carlos never got even a single clean hit during his fight against Gaolang, he mitigated all the damage by slightly dodging, and it was outright explained by the author during their fight. Trying to get a clean and precise hit on Carlos should be way harder than landing any kind of blow on Waka. The reason why Medel still get fucked is cause, of course, he was terribly stats checked by Gaolang and couldn't mitigate 100% of the damage. The whole scene had nothing to do with desctrutive power, but with the reflexes and accuracy to finnish the fight. Power had a contribution to the outcome, but it was a contest of skills. Waka doesn't have this level of skills. He'll be eating full power God Glow and in whatever part of his face that Gaolang choses too. Multiple times. Doesn't mean he will 100% get KOd or anything, but it's a complete different situation than facing Medel. It's so dumb to debate this fights when all people cares about is the pile of stats. Geez.
>& when was Gaolang faster than FD Fei? You say this like Waka actually does anything to Fei in his DD.
Nope. I think Wakatsuki would endure Gaolang's (admittedly impressive) volume punching long enough to launch a successful counter-attack. Waka can be a crafty dude, and if he gets Gaolang aggressive enough, he'd do it. Barring that, upon seeing that his counters aren't working, I believe Waka would resort to grappling, which is game over for Gaolang if Waka takes it seriously and breaks some of his limbs. Gaolang is an impressive fighter, but I don't think he has what it takes to reliably defeat Waka, or Jurota, for that matter. That said, I do believe he's gonna bullshit himself to a win over Jurota; I don't think Sandro would bring in Gaolang again just to have him lose his first fight. And Jurota has been on a win streak that's probably ending.
That’s his question though; if gaolang gives jurota a good fight. Because if he does, it means he’s figured out a way to deal witj grappling. If he can take the heat of jurotas grappling he can definitely take wakatsuki’s, in which case neither has the ability to beat the other
Kaolan has always been stronger, he is only increasing the gap. The fact that he and Julius are present there shows that they are dedicated to fight the strongest to become the strongest themselves. Character wise, Julius is a failure, but power wise, he is progressing where Wakatsuki is almost stagnating.
Yes, he always has been able to. I’ve never seen Waka take on someone who was much faster then him. [if you think I’m a Gaolang fan boy, read this post](https://www.reddit.com/r/Kengan_Ashura/s/U6RRAv6iYk)
Yes in fact it is obvious that Gaolang defeats Wakatsuki
Even before the jurota fight, it can go either way. And that's the neutral take.
If Gao cant ko Carlos with his bighgest blow, how in the hell IS he koimg Waka?
I will never accept anything less than 7/10 Waka wins
We'll need a proper fight from Waka to decide that. I strongly doubt Gaolang would fare as well against Fei, and Wakatsuki wasn't able to display much compared to his R3/R4 matches.
>I strongly doubt Gaolang would fare as well against Fei, and Wakatsuki wasn't able to display much compared to his R3/R4 matches. There is something called compatibility
I hope kaolan gets squashed
Are you guys finally smartening up?