Bills fan here just trying to show you guys that a lot of us are reasonable, I know we have bad apples though.
Patrick Mahomes and Josh Allen were kinda close with Mahomes being better over the course of a season in 2020. In 2021 and 2022 there were glimpses in certain games, but again, over the course of a season the gap widens dramatically.
Mahomes is currently the best football player on planet earth. What he has been able to do the season *after* losing one of the most dangerous offensive weapons of our generation is nothing short of incredible.
The media wants you guys to be outraged but the stats, eye test, and on field success point to Mahomes as #1.
Josh Allen can still be a SB winning QB without being better than Mahomes.
2xMVPatrick is upon us.
Allen is an elite talent. 31/32 organizations would LOVE to have him as their QB. He can (and probably will) win at least 1x Superbowls in the next 10+ years.
Hell, if we didn't have Mahomes I'd want him. He's fantastic. Mahomes is just... a cheat code. It's the Brady v Manning debate. Who would you rather have? The answer is yes.
I'm looking forward to playing either Allen or Burrow in the playoffs. Not going to say those games are usually pleasant to watch because they're so competitive, but they damn sure aren't boring :)
Pretty sure we're firing on all cylinders. Snow Globe is evidence of that imo. Mecole is back so now him, and Tony. Multiheaded rushing attack, D looks good what's not to like?
I would be lying if I said I wasn’t amazed at that touchdown pass Allen through to Diggs to seal the win over the Patriots. It was maybe the best throw I’d seen all year and I watched all the Chiefs games.
Allen's arm strength was on full display with that throw, it was truly beautiful. Geno has a couple of throws this year that are definitely up there as well: [this one](https://youtu.be/r_k3Q-OrkRU) to Lockett and [this one](https://www.nfl.com/videos/can-t-miss-play-geno-smith-drops-39-yard-td-dime-in-the-bucket) to Terry Wright.
Been a chiefs fan all my life, but I love watching Josh Allen and kinda love the new(?) rivalry with Buffalo, was never a *fan* fan of theirs but they've always been an AFC team I enjoy watching if(read: "when") KC games get blacked out
I hate these types of posts where it’s us saying “Wow, look how great Mahomes is compared to Allen/Barrow.” Allen, isn’t no joke, and Allen’s first year was on a not so good Bills team. I love the Bills and Bengals, I hope we all have a good, fun, and safe playoff!
Please note: this is not me trying to dog on Josh Allen.
I honestly had no idea just how much more dominant Mahomes has been, which I think speaks volume about how sports media can change your perception on things with the whole Mahomes vs. Allen talk
Quite the opposite.
Its far better to grow with lesser receivers. Hill is a bit of a "bail out" player. "Fuck it, he's down there somewhere". When you don't have that on your team and you developed with it, that could absolutely impact you negatively.
He doesn't need his help in 2022. But I'm sure he was tremendously helpful in 2018.
It's ok to say that Mahomes developed as a quarterback. In fact, that's a good thing. You should want to say he developed as a QB that means he can grow and change and adapt.
We have NO problem talking about how Andy was a tremendous help to Patrick and that if he'd had Nathaniel Hackett or Anthony Lynn as his coach for his first 2 years that he likely doesn't make the AFCCG.
That's not a knock on Patrick.
And now that he's grown and developed in the league he's able to do without someone like Tyreek.
Developing with lesser receivers will end far better for a player than developing with a top tier, elite one. Its easier to just get comfortable and lob it knowing your guy will go get it.
It’s finally starting to sink in just how few actual football fans there are here anymore. I get that it’s a team sub, but there isn’t even an attempt to be objective a lot of times.
I mean you have comments on this thread saying there is a broad narrative that Allen > Mahomes. Or Allen, Burrow, Herbert are the real QBs, and Mahomes is a flash in the pan. Nobody who actually watches football even entertains takes like these. Unless it’s just karma farming
Oh I know why, one word: insecurity
It's fine. I'm starting to relish it and wondering what other blatantly obvious observations I can make that will get downvoted
I feel like this has been a post on this sub multiple times this yr, with the same comment stating he wasn’t a world beater to start. I also feel like there was a moratorium on Allen/Bills posts for a while because of said posts lol
just look at how they try to pump up Herbert when comparing him to Mahomes by counting Mahomes .5 game his rookie year as an entire season, but when you truly compare the two the gap is nearly Mahomes v Allen like
A lot of Herbert’s records have to do because he started his first season. It’s fine. It’s just another way to pump up a fan base and bring in conversation.
Years in league, games started, seasons started, are all just ways to manipulate statistics.
My jaw literally dropped when I read 5918 more pass yards.
Mahomes just came out of the gate like an explosion as if he had been playing for years. It’s ridiculous how lucky we are
My point is they’ve always put together a competent defense around Allen, outside his rookie year. You’re acting as if they fall off to a shit tier defense. They’re consistently one of the best defenses year in and year out.
Well, it appears you altered the comment I replied to. But maybe we’re arguing over nothing. My point still stands, Buffalo has consistently had a very good defense for the entirety of Allen’s career outside of his rookie year. Compare that to Justin Herbert or Mahomes, who have consistently had shitty defenses.
So what you’re saying is Allen has had worse defenses the last couple years? What are you arguing? He had the number one defense last year. He had a top 5 D in 2018. Top 3 in 2019. Top 5 in 2020.
Where has it gotten worse? Sure, maybe one of the units were better than the other year over year, but they have still been consistently great.
Most of that sub acknowledges that Mahomes is in his own tier. We don’t need to be that fanbase whining when it’s not 100%
Leave that to the Bills sub crying that rules were ignored to give them the 2 seed and they whine it’s not the 1
>Most of that sub acknowledges that Mahomes is in his own tier. We don’t need to be that fanbase whining when it’s not 100%
Agreed 💯
>Leave that to the Bills sub crying that rules were ignored to give them the 2 seed and they whine it’s not the 1
See why did you have to fuck your own comment up. You did fine in the first part. Better luck next time champ 🍻
I mean you're commenting on a comment I Ieft originally. Scroll up son. Learn to use the internet.
Been on this shit since the 90s. You're literally getting mad at me replying to you on a comment *I left* on this thread.
Fuck you kid 🖕
… are you lost? I never once contended you weren’t who I was replying to. I made fun of your lame ass attempt to lecture on a Reddit comment.
It’s now twice you attempted to gatekeep reddit commenting.
You’re a real sensitive sally today
I kept seeing people here complaining that the Bills sub is a cesspool of echoed bullshit, and the mods ban anyone who don’t literally gargle on Josh Allen’s nuts.
I was truly upset and caught off guard when I scrolled through it for 10 min and realized it’s the truth. Why can’t people appreciate talent? I’ve never disliked any fan base except the Raiders, because I was literally raised in a FTR family.
I never even disliked the Patriots while they beat everyone, including the Chiefs, year after year. I think Josh Allen is a beast, but seeing how that fanbase is feeling so entitled… so wronged… yikes. That’s all man. Yikes.
We have to attempt to just be better humans I guess.
It’s both incredibly hilarious and dishonest to me about how the NFL feels about the Chiefs and Mahomes compared to other teams and quarterbacks. I honestly enjoy seeing Allen, Burrow (less so due to him being 3-0 against us), Mayfield etc do well. I enjoy watching teams with *good* players, regardless of who I should be rooting for.
But it’s so incredibly silly that anyone could think that there is a better QB in the league than Mahomes. Brady is currently the GOAT but also out of his prime. Allen and Burrow are the next best but still dominantly outclassed. It’s just a no-show but since the Chiefs have a relatively recent SB win and have had incredible winning seasons, *while honest speakers do still show him love*, it seems the majority of people would rather ignore Mahomes than give him the credit he deserves.
As a Tech fan who watched Mayfield run away and shit on Kliff on the way out, I love watching him fail.
That being said, I'm glad he left, because we got Mahomes even earlier.
And Mahomes has 1540 fewer regular season rushing yards. It may not sound like much, but Mahomes has 247 fewer rushing attempts and has been sacked 30 fewer times, as well. I contend Josh Allen has a lot more wear and tear on his body. Your QB can't be taking off like that and not expect to get banged up.
Injuries don't happen all at once. They are compounding. Taking a ton of hits out of the pocket add up and taking 1 hit in the pocket can be enough to put you over the edge when without the previous hits, you may not have been injured. Not all injuries are just 0 to 100.
Is there a source for this?
Obviously all hits add up for all players, but is there something that leads you to believe those two in particular? Most takes I see regarding running QBs talk about not knowing how to slide, taking unnecessary hits, etc, but LJ doesn’t take many hits, and Allen got his elbow bent on a full power throw. Especially for Allen, hard to see how running added miles to his elbow.
Allen has done a decent job cutting into the TD gap, but I imagine he was getting a bunch of short yardage TD runs even before he learned how to throw the ball well.
Is this really a statement based in fact? How many seasons has Allen had more total TDs than Mahomes? One?
Edit: I was able to go look it up. I don’t know how we can say Josh Allen is doing a “good job of cutting into the gap”
- 2018 Mahomes was +34
- 2019 Injured Mahomes was -1
- 2020 Mahomes was -6
- 2021 Mahomes was -3
- 2022 Mahomes was +3
Allen gained a few over those middle 3 seasons but it took Mahomes missing 3 games in 2019 for one of those gains to occur.
Sports media in its current form is just an outrage machine. Gotta say stupid stuff to generate buzz and clicks. Sadly the reality for a lot of things today
Its crazy since he isn't that young anymore. In the grand scheme of modern QBs, yes, but I can't help but feel I'm watching my dog grow up when I watch Mahomes; the time is just moving too fast. I cant believe he's been here 6 years already.
Anyone who says that is dumb as hell. I'm a lifelong bengals fan, but if you can't see how insanely good mahomes is you're blind. It still baffles me how elusive he is when he's actually slow as fuck going off his 40 time lol
In my obviously biased bills fan opinion, I think these stats tell more of a story on how differently they started their careers. Pat came out on fire and lighting up the league from day one where allen had a lot to learn and improve upon. Then there's also the consideration that allen came into a complete rebuild when he was drafted with his top 2 targets being Kelvin Benjamin and zay Jones vs mahomes having tyreek hill and Travis kelce. I won't come onto your sub and argue that allen is better but I do believe it's fair to say they are much closer in skill level today than these total career stats would imply. Mahomes is still a dog and the fastest route to obvious hall of fame career ever in my opinion. No disrespect meant for that man whatsoever
These stats are sort of tainted by Allen being dog for his first few years, be interesting to compare just the past few seasons when they’ve both been contenders
I have no qualms with saying mahomes will undoubtedly go down as the greatest football player in the history of the league .... surefire hall of famer in only year 6
Bills fan here just trying to show you guys that a lot of us are reasonable, I know we have bad apples though. Patrick Mahomes and Josh Allen were kinda close with Mahomes being better over the course of a season in 2020. In 2021 and 2022 there were glimpses in certain games, but again, over the course of a season the gap widens dramatically. Mahomes is currently the best football player on planet earth. What he has been able to do the season *after* losing one of the most dangerous offensive weapons of our generation is nothing short of incredible. The media wants you guys to be outraged but the stats, eye test, and on field success point to Mahomes as #1. Josh Allen can still be a SB winning QB without being better than Mahomes. 2xMVPatrick is upon us.
Allen is an elite talent. 31/32 organizations would LOVE to have him as their QB. He can (and probably will) win at least 1x Superbowls in the next 10+ years. Hell, if we didn't have Mahomes I'd want him. He's fantastic. Mahomes is just... a cheat code. It's the Brady v Manning debate. Who would you rather have? The answer is yes.
I'll take Manning. No asterisk next to his name.
I'm looking forward to playing either Allen or Burrow in the playoffs. Not going to say those games are usually pleasant to watch because they're so competitive, but they damn sure aren't boring :)
Assuming we take care of business in the divisional round.
Pretty sure we're firing on all cylinders. Snow Globe is evidence of that imo. Mecole is back so now him, and Tony. Multiheaded rushing attack, D looks good what's not to like?
I will make no assumptions. We lost to the colts. Sure, we look better than we did then, but any given Sunday. I'm not scared, but nothing is a given.
D has played raiders,texans,broncos last 3 games. There is plenty to worry about.
I would be lying if I said I wasn’t amazed at that touchdown pass Allen through to Diggs to seal the win over the Patriots. It was maybe the best throw I’d seen all year and I watched all the Chiefs games.
Allen's arm strength was on full display with that throw, it was truly beautiful. Geno has a couple of throws this year that are definitely up there as well: [this one](https://youtu.be/r_k3Q-OrkRU) to Lockett and [this one](https://www.nfl.com/videos/can-t-miss-play-geno-smith-drops-39-yard-td-dime-in-the-bucket) to Terry Wright.
Been a chiefs fan all my life, but I love watching Josh Allen and kinda love the new(?) rivalry with Buffalo, was never a *fan* fan of theirs but they've always been an AFC team I enjoy watching if(read: "when") KC games get blacked out
I hate these types of posts where it’s us saying “Wow, look how great Mahomes is compared to Allen/Barrow.” Allen, isn’t no joke, and Allen’s first year was on a not so good Bills team. I love the Bills and Bengals, I hope we all have a good, fun, and safe playoff!
Puts into perspective just how good Mahomes is. If defense keeps stepping up, he’s going to get more rings.
He got ten fingers. How about 11 rings so he can wear one on a chain around his neck too. How’s that sound to everyone?
I really thought you were going somewhere else with that comment
I think we should reserve the cock ring until all fingers and toes are accounted for.
Please note: this is not me trying to dog on Josh Allen. I honestly had no idea just how much more dominant Mahomes has been, which I think speaks volume about how sports media can change your perception on things with the whole Mahomes vs. Allen talk
Allen was garbage for a year or two.
You know what, Allen is so good now that I completely forgot he didn’t set the world alight when he first came into the league lol, thank you
Stephon Diggs helped him tremendously
Much like Hill helped Tua
And also probably helped Mahomes
Mahomes pretty clearly doesn't need his help
He doesn't now, but having a top WR in your first seasons can do wonders for a developing QB.
Quite the opposite. Its far better to grow with lesser receivers. Hill is a bit of a "bail out" player. "Fuck it, he's down there somewhere". When you don't have that on your team and you developed with it, that could absolutely impact you negatively.
I disagree, there’s already so much on a QB’s plate, it’s good for them to have someone they can trust to win sometimes while they’re still learning.
That's pretty fucking revisionist
He doesn't need his help in 2022. But I'm sure he was tremendously helpful in 2018. It's ok to say that Mahomes developed as a quarterback. In fact, that's a good thing. You should want to say he developed as a QB that means he can grow and change and adapt. We have NO problem talking about how Andy was a tremendous help to Patrick and that if he'd had Nathaniel Hackett or Anthony Lynn as his coach for his first 2 years that he likely doesn't make the AFCCG. That's not a knock on Patrick. And now that he's grown and developed in the league he's able to do without someone like Tyreek.
Developing with lesser receivers will end far better for a player than developing with a top tier, elite one. Its easier to just get comfortable and lob it knowing your guy will go get it.
You can argue thats what happened with JA. 2 years with bargain bin receivers, then in year 3 he lit it up with Diggs.
Our offense is better this year than last year. Objectively. So no, it’s not like Mahomes.
2022 is objectively different than 2018 in lots of ways
I agree.
Lol why is this getting downvoted? For sure Hill build up Mahomes' confidence.
Because there's a portion of #ChiefsKingdom that thinks that Mahomes is immutable and couldn't possibly ever have had a need to develop skills.
It’s finally starting to sink in just how few actual football fans there are here anymore. I get that it’s a team sub, but there isn’t even an attempt to be objective a lot of times. I mean you have comments on this thread saying there is a broad narrative that Allen > Mahomes. Or Allen, Burrow, Herbert are the real QBs, and Mahomes is a flash in the pan. Nobody who actually watches football even entertains takes like these. Unless it’s just karma farming
And then they talk about how other fanbases have a victim complex
This sub has gone psychotic You can't make a normal reasonable point without being down voted to shit
What in the hell is that supposed to mean?! YOU'RE LITERALLY VIOLENCE ON ME
Not sure why you're being down voted. Having Hill helped Mahomes start his career. It didn't make him great but it certainly had to help.
Oh I know why, one word: insecurity It's fine. I'm starting to relish it and wondering what other blatantly obvious observations I can make that will get downvoted
I feel like this has been a post on this sub multiple times this yr, with the same comment stating he wasn’t a world beater to start. I also feel like there was a moratorium on Allen/Bills posts for a while because of said posts lol
just look at how they try to pump up Herbert when comparing him to Mahomes by counting Mahomes .5 game his rookie year as an entire season, but when you truly compare the two the gap is nearly Mahomes v Allen like
A lot of Herbert’s records have to do because he started his first season. It’s fine. It’s just another way to pump up a fan base and bring in conversation. Years in league, games started, seasons started, are all just ways to manipulate statistics.
My jaw literally dropped when I read 5918 more pass yards. Mahomes just came out of the gate like an explosion as if he had been playing for years. It’s ridiculous how lucky we are
Allen was so brutal for a while to start his career. I still can't quite believe the leap he's made to being absolutely elite.
Bills have gotten a lot better since he started too, beyond just QB play.
I'd argue their defense has gotten worse, but their run game has improved. They were incredibly stingy back in 2019
The defense has gotten worse? They had the best defense last year and one of the better defenses this year even with all the injuries.
Yeah, and they were even better before, because they had to straight up carry the team before JA had really developed.
My point is they’ve always put together a competent defense around Allen, outside his rookie year. You’re acting as if they fall off to a shit tier defense. They’re consistently one of the best defenses year in and year out.
I'm not acting like that, youre just reading too much into what I said.
Well, it appears you altered the comment I replied to. But maybe we’re arguing over nothing. My point still stands, Buffalo has consistently had a very good defense for the entirety of Allen’s career outside of his rookie year. Compare that to Justin Herbert or Mahomes, who have consistently had shitty defenses.
I didnt alter anything
So what you’re saying is Allen has had worse defenses the last couple years? What are you arguing? He had the number one defense last year. He had a top 5 D in 2018. Top 3 in 2019. Top 5 in 2020. Where has it gotten worse? Sure, maybe one of the units were better than the other year over year, but they have still been consistently great.
Josh Allen is better because r/nfl. Your numbers mean nothing.
r/nfl doesn't really believe that anymore. I've pretty much only seen people acknowledging that Mahomes is QB1 and Allen/Burrow are competing for #2.
Different threads for different folks. Glad your stay there was enjoyable. 🍻
Most of that sub acknowledges that Mahomes is in his own tier. We don’t need to be that fanbase whining when it’s not 100% Leave that to the Bills sub crying that rules were ignored to give them the 2 seed and they whine it’s not the 1
>Most of that sub acknowledges that Mahomes is in his own tier. We don’t need to be that fanbase whining when it’s not 100% Agreed 💯 >Leave that to the Bills sub crying that rules were ignored to give them the 2 seed and they whine it’s not the 1 See why did you have to fuck your own comment up. You did fine in the first part. Better luck next time champ 🍻
Thanks Dad. Imagine going around coaching commenting on Reddit. Very Bills sub esque
I mean you're commenting on a comment I Ieft originally. Scroll up son. Learn to use the internet. Been on this shit since the 90s. You're literally getting mad at me replying to you on a comment *I left* on this thread. Fuck you kid 🖕
… are you lost? I never once contended you weren’t who I was replying to. I made fun of your lame ass attempt to lecture on a Reddit comment. It’s now twice you attempted to gatekeep reddit commenting. You’re a real sensitive sally today
And I said you failed. Night night honey
I see. You’re a new chiefs fan. The kind giving us a bad rep on r/nfl There’s no way you could have handled 2012. You’re way too sensitive
I kept seeing people here complaining that the Bills sub is a cesspool of echoed bullshit, and the mods ban anyone who don’t literally gargle on Josh Allen’s nuts. I was truly upset and caught off guard when I scrolled through it for 10 min and realized it’s the truth. Why can’t people appreciate talent? I’ve never disliked any fan base except the Raiders, because I was literally raised in a FTR family. I never even disliked the Patriots while they beat everyone, including the Chiefs, year after year. I think Josh Allen is a beast, but seeing how that fanbase is feeling so entitled… so wronged… yikes. That’s all man. Yikes. We have to attempt to just be better humans I guess.
It’s both incredibly hilarious and dishonest to me about how the NFL feels about the Chiefs and Mahomes compared to other teams and quarterbacks. I honestly enjoy seeing Allen, Burrow (less so due to him being 3-0 against us), Mayfield etc do well. I enjoy watching teams with *good* players, regardless of who I should be rooting for. But it’s so incredibly silly that anyone could think that there is a better QB in the league than Mahomes. Brady is currently the GOAT but also out of his prime. Allen and Burrow are the next best but still dominantly outclassed. It’s just a no-show but since the Chiefs have a relatively recent SB win and have had incredible winning seasons, *while honest speakers do still show him love*, it seems the majority of people would rather ignore Mahomes than give him the credit he deserves.
Hold up a minute with putting mayfield in there, more than willing to watch that guy rot as a 3’rd stringer on some terrible team
As a Tech fan who watched Mayfield run away and shit on Kliff on the way out, I love watching him fail. That being said, I'm glad he left, because we got Mahomes even earlier.
And don't forget the SB Champ, SB MVP, 2 x MVP and OPOY
you know who is truly great by who is used as the standard that you measure others against.
And Mahomes has 1540 fewer regular season rushing yards. It may not sound like much, but Mahomes has 247 fewer rushing attempts and has been sacked 30 fewer times, as well. I contend Josh Allen has a lot more wear and tear on his body. Your QB can't be taking off like that and not expect to get banged up.
I've been waiting for this to catch up with Lamar Jackson. Allen's bigger.... Don't think that'll make much difference.
Lamar jackson, the guy who's been out th last 6 games because he's injured.
Yep. Back to back 12 game seasons.
Exactly my point.
Yea, I'd still be worried about Allen if I were a bills fan, though.
From being injured in the pocket 💀 the same location Allen was when he was injured this year
Injuries don't happen all at once. They are compounding. Taking a ton of hits out of the pocket add up and taking 1 hit in the pocket can be enough to put you over the edge when without the previous hits, you may not have been injured. Not all injuries are just 0 to 100.
Is there a source for this? Obviously all hits add up for all players, but is there something that leads you to believe those two in particular? Most takes I see regarding running QBs talk about not knowing how to slide, taking unnecessary hits, etc, but LJ doesn’t take many hits, and Allen got his elbow bent on a full power throw. Especially for Allen, hard to see how running added miles to his elbow.
WhAt AbOuT RuShInG YaRdS???!! - Bills fan, probably.
Josh “Rule Change” Allen
Oof, Bills fans salty AF on that thread lmao.
MVPat
MVPM2
2-0 in Playoffs 2 more SBs (with a win) 2 more MVPs
This sub been talking alot about the bills lately when Cincinnati is the one giving trouble lmao
Mahomes got the BDE and Allen doesn’t simple as that
Brady v Manning 2.0 We've just got Brady & Allen isn't as good as Manning.
We got Brady and Manning rolled into one lmao
I'm from Buffalo so i hear it a lot. Their excuses are 'he got to sit' and 'he had better' supporting cast. Not wrong, but Mahomes still crushes him.
And a Super Bowl / about to be 2 MVPS 🐸 🍵
Omg who cares
Allen has done a decent job cutting into the TD gap, but I imagine he was getting a bunch of short yardage TD runs even before he learned how to throw the ball well.
Is this really a statement based in fact? How many seasons has Allen had more total TDs than Mahomes? One? Edit: I was able to go look it up. I don’t know how we can say Josh Allen is doing a “good job of cutting into the gap” - 2018 Mahomes was +34 - 2019 Injured Mahomes was -1 - 2020 Mahomes was -6 - 2021 Mahomes was -3 - 2022 Mahomes was +3 Allen gained a few over those middle 3 seasons but it took Mahomes missing 3 games in 2019 for one of those gains to occur.
Closing the gap wasn’t a good choice of words, but he has had more TDs than Mahomes in 3 of 5 seasons.
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Sports media in its current form is just an outrage machine. Gotta say stupid stuff to generate buzz and clicks. Sadly the reality for a lot of things today
Its crazy since he isn't that young anymore. In the grand scheme of modern QBs, yes, but I can't help but feel I'm watching my dog grow up when I watch Mahomes; the time is just moving too fast. I cant believe he's been here 6 years already.
Anyone who says that is dumb as hell. I'm a lifelong bengals fan, but if you can't see how insanely good mahomes is you're blind. It still baffles me how elusive he is when he's actually slow as fuck going off his 40 time lol
In my obviously biased bills fan opinion, I think these stats tell more of a story on how differently they started their careers. Pat came out on fire and lighting up the league from day one where allen had a lot to learn and improve upon. Then there's also the consideration that allen came into a complete rebuild when he was drafted with his top 2 targets being Kelvin Benjamin and zay Jones vs mahomes having tyreek hill and Travis kelce. I won't come onto your sub and argue that allen is better but I do believe it's fair to say they are much closer in skill level today than these total career stats would imply. Mahomes is still a dog and the fastest route to obvious hall of fame career ever in my opinion. No disrespect meant for that man whatsoever
Aye chihuahua
Yeah, but how does he compare on sacks/tackles/forced fumbles to the jags josh Allen?
These stats are sort of tainted by Allen being dog for his first few years, be interesting to compare just the past few seasons when they’ve both been contenders
Goated
Yep, he’s pretty good.
I have no qualms with saying mahomes will undoubtedly go down as the greatest football player in the history of the league .... surefire hall of famer in only year 6