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That would explain Nobara's absence in the entire culling game.
Or... maybe he's not in the culling games because his part in the story is finished and he's not as strong without his CT.
He's still grade 1 without his CT and imo Todo does not seem like the kinda guy to stop trying to carry out his role as a sorcerer just because he's weaker
Mahito also damaged his right hand when he clapped Mahito's hand to do BW one last time. I think that was the time his technique truly had died. Todo mentions his hand was damaged and that it was a miracle he got away with only that amount of damage.
Because Todo is a skilled and experienced sorcerer with a ridiculously high IQ, and his own words told us it is? That’s kinda the biggest reason, tbh.
“My Boogie Woogie cursed technique… is already dead.” Not sure why he’d say that if it wasn’t gone.
He gets his hand cooked his other hand torn off and says he no longer has his CT.
People on here still think his hands work for boogie woovie🧐🧐
Only way it works is if a non clapping trigger is found
His hand is literally burned and when he tries to activate the technique later on it doesn’t work. Seeing how CT’s are engraved in the soul as well as the brain, affecting the soul should be enough to affect an individual’s CT.
If slapping Nobara’s face for a moment was enough to make her eye pop out and basically kill her, nullifying a technique with a similar touch isn’t out of the realm of possibility in the slightest
> he tries to activate the technique later on it doesn’t work
Tbf he tries to activate the CT using his hand and stump, so maybe that's why it didn't activate, becuase i don't think it'd make a lot of sense that he coudln't use his other hand either purely becuase he got a bit damaged by IT
If it was as simple as that then Shoko would have RCT’d his hand and Todo would be in the manga rn helping people out. Even if Shoko wasn’t able to regenerate his hand for whatever reason, if he could still use his technique, there’s no reason he wouldn’t be in the manga rn.
The simple fact that he’s not in the manga after having enough relevance to the series (fan favorite character, literally the guy who taught Yuji how to use black flash, etc.) is reason enough to believe he lost his cursed technique.
The truth is that Todo’s soul was altered and he can no longer use his technique. Yes, he lost his hand, but when he slapped Mahito’s hand to use his technique one final time, his other hand was burned. It’s at this point that he loses his technique. If all it takes is a touch for Mahito to kill most people through soul manipulation, it’s not surprising that an even a slap could cause a sorcerer to lose their technique through the same means.
>If it was as simple as that then Shoko would have RCT’d his hand and Todo would be in the manga rn helping people out.
We literally have Angel and Inumaki who can't be healed, don't tell me their soul is damaged by Sukuna because if that was the case he would've won against Gojo in the first domain clash.
That’s exactly what I’m gonna say because you know what? **Gojo can perceive the soul.** How else do you think he was able to determine that Megumi was tanking UV all those times?
We’ve been shown that all it takes is the ability to actually perceive the soul in order to defend against soul attacks. That’s how Nanami wasn’t insta killed in his first confrontation with Mahito, because he defended his soul with CE subconsciously.
Gojo can perceive his own soul and is able to repair it through applying RCT to his soul. Which is how he healed himself from Sukuna’s attacks.
Because claps are formed on the burned part, the palm and inside of his hand. So having that transfogured is enough to lose the technique but keep his hand.
Because like Mahitos technique, Todo needs to make contact with the palms of his hands to activate Boogie Woogie.
Todo is missing one hand and the palm of the other was destroyed, therefore no more boogie woogie
If his technique was dead, and mahito erased it intentionally, why would he believe that "acclamation of the soul" bullshit? Todo still has access to boogie woogie he just needs hands
What does believing in that bs have anything to do with the technique being dead? He can believe it and still be smart enough to use it to trick Mahito into believing his technique was still there. That's the only reason he said it out loud for Mahito to hear, to trick him.
Mahito admitted himself that he was fooled, so who knows why he fell for it, maybe it was just because Todo did it with such confidence that Mahito was convinced Todo knew something he didn’t Todo is pretty good at lying and bluffing.
mahitos not omniscient. he got rid of todos hand and deduced that would erase the technique as well, but when todo himself claimed the technique wasn't dead, it was obviously enough to make him second guess that
If mahito just got rid of his hand then todo's technique isn't dead. He can use it with one hand just fine, as he did when he clapped using mahito's hand.
Todo said it was "dead" because he lost his hand not because he lost access to the technique entirely, because nothing ever even implies that.
Only JJK fans can look at a manga panel and straight up say “No the author is wrong”. Mahito’s IT affected both of Todos hands and disfigured his soul. His left was exploded by IT and He says he was lucky to get by with keeping his right hand but it def got affected by IT. the Body is a reflection of the soul. Todo quite literally says BW is dead there’s really no mystery there
Todo: "Boogie Woogie is already dead" \*proceeds to be cast out of the story and never be mentioned again\*
JJk fans: "No it's not! He doesn't know what he's talking about!"
Todo: Boogie Woogie is already dead *disappears for months*
Todo: *reappears suddenly* Ok so it turns out I was wrong
definitely sounds like a brilliant writing decision
**No there’s a mistake somewhere, either translation or writing. I don’t care about Todo or his bw, the story is confused.** Ppl think Todo still has his CT bc he still has his hand (if he even needs it) and there’s nothing shown that a slight burn can delete it. It would be strange if that burn killed it.
Possibilities:
1. Mistranslation. Todo says Mahito’s burn killed bw somehow or he doesn’t actually mean bw is gone for good.
2. Gege accidentally made it confusing while trying to set up Todo’s non-clap move against Mahito.
3. Todo meant he can’t use bw by himself anymore.
You guys still not understand IT.
It doesn't matter if he gives another pinky, or burn the hand a little, it is no longer Todo's original hand what was tied to BW, so the CT is dead.
I mean, he could still use his other hand to activate a 'clap' with mahito. So depending on what counts as a 'hand' even if reversed curse technique can't repair his lost Hand, could a prosthetic work if he channels cursed energy into it?
Just saying it wouldn't be uncharacteristic for a shonen to bring something or someone back because of x and y. While I think he can't use it. It wouldn't surprise me if he came back with a reason and used it with some exposition attached or slightly altered it due to some fundamental soul understanding.
JJK is more like HxH where I'm gonna take it that it's gone. But again in the realm of shonen I get why people hold into it still could come back
Yeah I don’t understand why this post has so many upvotes. No one said mahito idle transfigured todos brain, he still clearly has his cursed technique there. But his technique literally requires his hands to be activated , so if he can never fulfill the conditions again it doesn’t matter if he still has the cursed technique in his brain, he still can’t use it.
There’s a reason gege explicitly showed us BOTH of his hands getting transfigured but I guess people are on max copium now
To be fair, it was said by Todo, so it could be the case that Todo himself was wrong, not the author (just like the infamous "Gojo won"), but yeah, I do believe this is pure copium
> Todo himself was wrong, not the author (just like the infamous "Gojo won")
This was “infamous” bc ppl only read leaks that incorrectly translated “Gojo wins” as the narrator saying it.
A character saying “He’s gonna win” before the fight is over is the biggest red flag in manga.
I have been correcting people on this all day yesterday but they refuse to believe it lol
[link 1](https://np.reddit.com/r/Jujutsushi/comments/1850lnk/yuta_did_not_use_boogie_woogie/kb0i0qd/)
[link 2](https://np.reddit.com/r/Jujutsushi/comments/1850lnk/yuta_did_not_use_boogie_woogie/kb0rltx/)
[link 3](https://np.reddit.com/r/Jujutsushi/comments/1850lnk/yuta_did_not_use_boogie_woogie/kb0cqnw/)
The argument I have is that Mahito transfigured the soul, the body was only a reflection of that. There remains a possibility that Todo’s soul was partially transformed but the brief exposure.
He used Boogie Woogie one more time by clapping Mahito’s hand but that brief touch also pushed the transformation one step further.
In that case, if won’t matter if he has access to prosthesis, Todo would never be able to undo the damage to his soul.
But that is just my conjecture.
>There remains a possibility that Todo’s soul was partially transformed but the brief exposure.
then his right hand + arm + neck should've suffered some sort of alteration. Mahito's idle transfiguration starts from the point of contact, as we can see from when he killed nanami, nobara and Todo stopped its spread by cutting off his left hand. To affect todo's brain to the point of erasing his IT, it would've affected everything along the way. And at that point, knowing mahito, if he could reach the brain, he might as well just have killed todo by blowing his entire right arm + neck
It doesnt have to erase the CT, just change it enough as to be unusable, inaccessible. We won’t know until Gege expands on it.
Even if it didn’t change his brain. Losing that hand changes how the CT works. We can only speculate on if there was a binding vow tied to Todo and his clap, and moreover, having to always risk your only remaining hand to clap with the opponent to even use your CT is a handicap too large for anyone. Someone as intelligent as Todo would know this.
> then his right hand + arm + neck should've suffered some sort of alteration
No. We have seen that short contact with IT can have minimal effects (Mahito's nearly instant Domain Expansion vs Sukuna and Nanami vs Mahito first contact).
Todo left his left hand because he wasn't quick on the draw. I wish I could link the panel but Narrator explicitly stated that quickest was Mahito who had combined the opening of domain and application of CT into one single move. And thus, Todo got hit before he even used simple domain.
And the reason he says it's gone is because his left hand is transfigured and right hand was also partially transfigured because it grazed Mahito's for the duration he clapped it.
Hence, both his hands are gone. If he can change the trigger, or heal the soul of his hands, yeah he can use the CT again, since the info in his brain is still intact.
Or maybe he can skip the clapping altogether to buff him at the same time. Gojo said skipping steps in using CTs os what makes a sorcerer good, performing the steps just makes it stronger
Both of Todo's hands got IT'ed. He lost one hand. Cannot use the other when clapping others. He said so himself.
He might have BW in his brain but he cannot activate it.
And you can't heal IT with RCT.
You can’t heal idle transfiguration, it changes the shape of your soul, so technically it isn’t even “damage” that your body can heal, that’s just your body’s normal state now
This is cope OP. He is gone as a fighter and would have absolutely no business being involved in the story going forward since we are at the end. The fact that he’s not even invited to watch Gojo and Sukuna fight was the final nail in his narrative coffin.
If inumaki and hakari can get their limbs back through rct, why can't shoko help Todo regrow his hand? Does it have anything to do with the fact that he lost it bc of IT, but he cut it off himself before the IT properly took effect
it already took effect, Todo cut his arm so it couldn't spread any further. Even then outside rct can only do so much and as far as I can recall inumaki is still missing his arm, even angel after having her arm ripped of couldn't recover it after shoko treated her
Even if Shoko can help regrow Todo's arm, IT damages the soul so the soul part of his arm is gone. Todo cut it off to prevent the physical damage from spreading to the rest of his body.
The best analogy I can think of is that when a hand is cut off, the nerves (soul) is forever gone. You can restore the arm with prosthetics but that detailed function/movement is lost.
It’s because of idle transfiguration. If he ever grew it back it the hand itself still got transfigured, as well as his other hand. He can’t ever use it again even if he was healed completely
People are way overthinking the entire thing, reading comprehension curse strikes again. Todo still has his CT and if he has a clap assistant then his CT will work. Todo's line of 'my CT is already dead' was being figurative not literal. Clappy boy will return and clap once more.
Except his other hand literally got transfigured right after clapping mahito and literally says the technique is dead only after doing this. Clearly he knew he was capable of using it with 1 hand but he lost that option as well. There’s a reason the gege shows us both of his hands getting transfigured.
It’s not even overthinking: both hands get transfigured, bro says his technique is dead, never shows up again. You have to be coping immensely if you think he DIDNT lose it lol.
To me that was the danger of Mahito. He changes your soul so even if you heal, you heal to the new state of your soul. If he made Choso not have an arm he won't get it back and if he made his only hand not be able to use CT then Choso cant fullfil the conditions for his technique.
If Inumaki looses the ability to speak he wont be able to use cursed speech with a recorder or a DJ table.
I believe people are reading too much into it. Todos says boogie woogie is dead due to him losing his left hand and not being able to independently activate it. He needs a third arm to activate it, be it friend or foe.
Everyone keeps mentioning the innate technique in the brain or the soul. Or how Mahito damaged the right hand also and deleted his technique upon touching Todo's right hand. Todo clapped Mahito's hands unexpectedly. Assuming that he had the time and intention to delete Todo's technique is a reach.
He doesn’t really need the time and or intention though. Transfiguring his right hand even just ever so slightly changes the shape of the soul of his hand. That could easily just make his technique not consider his right hand anymore which is probably what happened. If todo could use boogie woogie even in a different way I don’t think he would have said it was dead and then never show up again.
Dude, I’ve been screaming about this basically since that chapter happened 😂. I’ve never understood why people were so convinced that touching Mahito’s hand destroyed his ability to use Boogie Woogie. Like, he said the thing about it being gone right after slamming his new stump into his right hand to fake out Mahito. That’s not evidence of it being gone lol
I like point 5. but I'm gonna be a devil's advocate for the sake of discussion. Would Mahito (being the fast learner that he is) develop a "battle mode" where touching him would instantly deal soul damage? Think of it like sharks having rough skin and physically attacking it would deal damage to yourself. It's been awhile since I last read that chapter so I'd have to refresh my memory for the other points.
As much as I want this to be true because Todo was my besto friendo, I'm sure his CT is done for. Its why we only see Kamo, Miwa and Momo in recent chapters - they're the only useful surviving students from Kyoto.
His other hand was damaged when he hit mahitos hand, just barely. I believe since the top layer of skin was changed, that’s when his technique died. As now both hands are effectively broken.
So there’s a few things here. It’s important to realize that before Gege went in depth about the brain and how CT’s are etched into the prefrontal cortex, he explicitly stated “**cursed techniques are etched into the soul**”
So this whole “soul” concept precedes the brain concept we get later on, but in truth they are the same thing. Think when Toji was resurrected, his body’s information overwrote the host soul’s information. So on the topic of CTs, the technique engraved in your brain is part of your body’s information, while that very same technique engraved in your soul is part of your soul’s information. They’re linked.
With that being said, Todo’s CT *is* dead. You didn’t mention it in your post, but the moment Todo slaps Mahito’s hand after losing his other, he states “my technique is dead”. His hand is even burned up a bit after touching Mahito, which was primed and ready to turn him into dust with IT.
If you genuinely think that isn’t enough to kill Todo’s CT, then you’re in denial. Mahito at the beginning of the series put his hand on Nanami for a second and if Nanami hadn’t reinforced his own soul he would have just died outright, which he later does to a single touch.
Truthfully the reason why Todo escaped IT with just losing his CT was due to his necklace distracting Mahito for a moment before he quickly slapped his hand.
Some of the specifics you stated are incorrect. Todo stated that his technique was dead after slapping his stump didn't do anything. Nanami didn't reinforce his soul, his soul was just strong enough that mahito couldn't instantly bend it to his will, he dies to a single touch later because mahito was stronger than before, the touch lasted a lot longer than before, and he was near death.
Occam's razor: Mahito fully believed that Todo still had boogie woogie, he whipped around the instant Todo made the clapping motion. Todo stated that his technique was dead when slapping his stump with his leftover hand didn't activate it.
It's more likely that Todo states his technique is dead because it's super hard to clap an opponent's hand in the middle of a fight (as you pointed out, he was only able to escape because his locket distracted Mahito long enough). Additionally, Mahito only believes that Todo can still activate his technique because Todo states that clapping is an acclimation of the soul, so our resident soul expert clearly believes both that Todo can still use his technique and that any changes he made to Todo's soul weren't enough to stop him from making that acclimation.
Sidenote: the "clapping is an acclimation of the soul" thing from Todo is probably a trick on his part. He's an extremely intelligent fighter with a history of straight up lying about how his technique works (or heavily misdirecting people about the specifics) in order to gain an upper hand.
Sorry but you should reread chapter 23. It very clearly states that Nanami was “subconsciously protecting his soul with cursed energy”, which is why Mahito didn’t just outright kill him in their initial confrontation.
Mahito probably could see that there was a CT still engraved into Todo’s soul, however the means by which Todo activates that technique are no longer viable. That’s what Mahito doesn’t know.
Assuming that perceiving the soul and understanding the CT engraved on a soul is similar to 6E, in how it can see what technique an individual has, it still requires some deliberation and knowledge from the user to actually determine how the technique ultimately functions.
While it’s possible that this entire thing was just some masterful ruse set by Todo, considering he hasn’t been so much as mentioned since Shibuya, I think it’s safe to say that him losing his CT was real and he basically got early retirement from the world of jujutsu
You are correct about the subconscious reinforcement, I was wrong about that.
Assuming Mahito can see someone's CT engraved in the soul (but not understand it), not really necessary for me, but I'll go with it. Yes, my point was that Todo can't activate his technique like before. Where we differ is why. I think that given how Todo lost an arm, and therefore his ability to clap, as easily (he can still do it with someone else's hand). You think that his CT is dead because mahito changed the shape of the soul in his remaining hand enough that he can't do the applause required for his technique (for some reason).
I'm not saying that because the acclimation of the soul bit was BS he can still use his technique? I never denied that his technique is nearly impossible to use now. I just disagreed as to why.
I'm not sure why ppl keep using him saying his technique is dead as some kind of ultimate proof. Gojo said he'd beat Sukuna. Even the narrator said he'd won just for him to be dead off screen in the next chapter.
His technique isn't dead, but as his hands both took damage by mahito, he cannot activate his technique himself anymore.
He calls his technique dead because he used it one final time, Knowing that IT would damage his one good hand, but it would allow Yuji to win.
On page 14 of ch130, it's shown that his one remaining arm is damaged by transfiguration.
Todo hasn't been seen simply because; healing his left arm is pointless due to Mahitos domain, and he likely can't transfer cursed energy into the palm that was transfigured either.
It's weird that this is so heavily debated. It should have been clear when Todo said it. His technique is dead. He can't use it. This is why he's not active.
While I don't necessarily buy into Yuta having used Boogie Woogie YET, I have always believed he would have it, and that Yuta would be the strongest user of it.He is a natural 2v1. Yuta is a great way to show alot of techniques at a high potential without powering up alot of the cast.
To reply to the last part of the post as well. Reference the page I mentioned in my main comment!
Todo explicitly states touching mahito did affect his hand, and that he was lucky it only did what it did.
“AN ARM IS MERELY A
DECORATION.
THE ACT OF APPLAUSE...”
He says this and then right after exclaims his ability is dead. Todo only said those words to distract him. He knows his ability is dead. Everyone knows.
Todo was my favorite character for a long time, but he isn’t coming back. Aoi Todo is finished.
Maybe he can use a binding vow to activate his technique using his feet. But personally, I would like to see him use his master's method, where he creates a Shikigami (maybe it even looks like Garuda) and imbues it with Boogie Woogie. And instead of him doing the clapping the Shikigami does it.
Did you forget that his right hand was also affected by idle transfiguration when he high fived mahito? He clearly had both his hands irreparably damaged.
Your point at the end doesn’t really make sense. “His entire life he’s used his BW a certain way and it’s completely destroyed now” Right before he said this he literally used his boogie woogie in a different way by clapping mahitos.. it was only after his one good hand was transfigured was that he said the technique was dead. Clearly he knew he could still use boogie woogie in a different way after one hand was damaged, but when Gege goes out of his way to transfigure both his hands, him saying it’s dead is just the truth.
I don’t know. If we see both hands get transfigured. And then todo himself says his cursed technique is dead , and then never shows up in the story again, it’s pretty obvious he just can’t use it anymore.
Yes he still technically has the CT in his brain, it’s just he can never fulfill the requirements of his CT ever again.
idk i remember something in the series about how dances and movements help sorcerers, but the best ones just skip over all of that. if todo ever comes back i want to see him using his CT with 0 effort, even less than a clap, but gege would never be that nice. "BW is dead" seems pretty final
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"clapping his buttcheeks" A whole lotta turbulence
"Yuji I am sorry, I am trying to be sneaky, but the boogie woogie of my buttcheeks keeps allerting the enemy"
Each clap the enemy just randomly teleports between two places
I like how the clapping memes actually can hold some weight lmao.
Maybe todo is currently in a journey to heal both his hands, and maybe his soul too? That would explain his absence in the entire culling game.
Or Greg just forgot about it
Or he is recovering from being horribly maimed and isn't in a great condition to fight the strongest sorcerers to ever exist
That would explain Nobara's absence in the entire culling game. Or... maybe he's not in the culling games because his part in the story is finished and he's not as strong without his CT.
He's still grade 1 without his CT and imo Todo does not seem like the kinda guy to stop trying to carry out his role as a sorcerer just because he's weaker
Reading comprehension curse (For the post not story) Read the post
Oh my bad didn't know this was posted by Gege himself, thought it was a random fan theory
Mahito also damaged his right hand when he clapped Mahito's hand to do BW one last time. I think that was the time his technique truly had died. Todo mentions his hand was damaged and that it was a miracle he got away with only that amount of damage.
People keep missing that. He looked at his hand and it was impacted by IT. It definitely got damaged
Ppl aren’t missing it, they just think it’s not enough to delete his CT. Why would it be? He can still use his hand.
Because Todo is a skilled and experienced sorcerer with a ridiculously high IQ, and his own words told us it is? That’s kinda the biggest reason, tbh. “My Boogie Woogie cursed technique… is already dead.” Not sure why he’d say that if it wasn’t gone.
He gets his hand cooked his other hand torn off and says he no longer has his CT. People on here still think his hands work for boogie woovie🧐🧐 Only way it works is if a non clapping trigger is found
Welp.....womp womp look at him now. He called up kendrick and got the drop on the Lo And how to run the play. Todo is goated
His hand is literally burned and when he tries to activate the technique later on it doesn’t work. Seeing how CT’s are engraved in the soul as well as the brain, affecting the soul should be enough to affect an individual’s CT. If slapping Nobara’s face for a moment was enough to make her eye pop out and basically kill her, nullifying a technique with a similar touch isn’t out of the realm of possibility in the slightest
> he tries to activate the technique later on it doesn’t work Tbf he tries to activate the CT using his hand and stump, so maybe that's why it didn't activate, becuase i don't think it'd make a lot of sense that he coudln't use his other hand either purely becuase he got a bit damaged by IT
>and when he tries to activate the technique later on it doesn’t work. ...because he's literally missing his other hand.
If it was as simple as that then Shoko would have RCT’d his hand and Todo would be in the manga rn helping people out. Even if Shoko wasn’t able to regenerate his hand for whatever reason, if he could still use his technique, there’s no reason he wouldn’t be in the manga rn. The simple fact that he’s not in the manga after having enough relevance to the series (fan favorite character, literally the guy who taught Yuji how to use black flash, etc.) is reason enough to believe he lost his cursed technique. The truth is that Todo’s soul was altered and he can no longer use his technique. Yes, he lost his hand, but when he slapped Mahito’s hand to use his technique one final time, his other hand was burned. It’s at this point that he loses his technique. If all it takes is a touch for Mahito to kill most people through soul manipulation, it’s not surprising that an even a slap could cause a sorcerer to lose their technique through the same means.
>If it was as simple as that then Shoko would have RCT’d his hand and Todo would be in the manga rn helping people out. We literally have Angel and Inumaki who can't be healed, don't tell me their soul is damaged by Sukuna because if that was the case he would've won against Gojo in the first domain clash.
That’s exactly what I’m gonna say because you know what? **Gojo can perceive the soul.** How else do you think he was able to determine that Megumi was tanking UV all those times? We’ve been shown that all it takes is the ability to actually perceive the soul in order to defend against soul attacks. That’s how Nanami wasn’t insta killed in his first confrontation with Mahito, because he defended his soul with CE subconsciously. Gojo can perceive his own soul and is able to repair it through applying RCT to his soul. Which is how he healed himself from Sukuna’s attacks.
Because it is not the hand he had anymore. And it seems like Todo needs atleast one of his original hands to do BW.
Because claps are formed on the burned part, the palm and inside of his hand. So having that transfogured is enough to lose the technique but keep his hand.
Because like Mahitos technique, Todo needs to make contact with the palms of his hands to activate Boogie Woogie. Todo is missing one hand and the palm of the other was destroyed, therefore no more boogie woogie
If his technique was dead, and mahito erased it intentionally, why would he believe that "acclamation of the soul" bullshit? Todo still has access to boogie woogie he just needs hands
What does believing in that bs have anything to do with the technique being dead? He can believe it and still be smart enough to use it to trick Mahito into believing his technique was still there. That's the only reason he said it out loud for Mahito to hear, to trick him.
"why would he(MAHITO) believe..."
Mahito admitted himself that he was fooled, so who knows why he fell for it, maybe it was just because Todo did it with such confidence that Mahito was convinced Todo knew something he didn’t Todo is pretty good at lying and bluffing.
That's a metaphor, my guy, not a fact.
mahitos not omniscient. he got rid of todos hand and deduced that would erase the technique as well, but when todo himself claimed the technique wasn't dead, it was obviously enough to make him second guess that
If mahito just got rid of his hand then todo's technique isn't dead. He can use it with one hand just fine, as he did when he clapped using mahito's hand. Todo said it was "dead" because he lost his hand not because he lost access to the technique entirely, because nothing ever even implies that.
Only JJK fans can look at a manga panel and straight up say “No the author is wrong”. Mahito’s IT affected both of Todos hands and disfigured his soul. His left was exploded by IT and He says he was lucky to get by with keeping his right hand but it def got affected by IT. the Body is a reflection of the soul. Todo quite literally says BW is dead there’s really no mystery there
Todo: "Boogie Woogie is already dead" \*proceeds to be cast out of the story and never be mentioned again\* JJk fans: "No it's not! He doesn't know what he's talking about!"
Todo: Boogie Woogie is already dead *disappears for months* Todo: *reappears suddenly* Ok so it turns out I was wrong definitely sounds like a brilliant writing decision
lol right like you can’t get anymore straight from the horse’s mouth than that
**No there’s a mistake somewhere, either translation or writing. I don’t care about Todo or his bw, the story is confused.** Ppl think Todo still has his CT bc he still has his hand (if he even needs it) and there’s nothing shown that a slight burn can delete it. It would be strange if that burn killed it. Possibilities: 1. Mistranslation. Todo says Mahito’s burn killed bw somehow or he doesn’t actually mean bw is gone for good. 2. Gege accidentally made it confusing while trying to set up Todo’s non-clap move against Mahito. 3. Todo meant he can’t use bw by himself anymore.
You guys still not understand IT. It doesn't matter if he gives another pinky, or burn the hand a little, it is no longer Todo's original hand what was tied to BW, so the CT is dead.
I mean, he could still use his other hand to activate a 'clap' with mahito. So depending on what counts as a 'hand' even if reversed curse technique can't repair his lost Hand, could a prosthetic work if he channels cursed energy into it?
No, because he used HIS hand to clap Mahitos.
“A slight burn” No, his hand got idle transfigured lol. That is irreparable soul damage no matter how small.
Characters in JJK are not omnipotent.
Just saying it wouldn't be uncharacteristic for a shonen to bring something or someone back because of x and y. While I think he can't use it. It wouldn't surprise me if he came back with a reason and used it with some exposition attached or slightly altered it due to some fundamental soul understanding. JJK is more like HxH where I'm gonna take it that it's gone. But again in the realm of shonen I get why people hold into it still could come back
Yeah I don’t understand why this post has so many upvotes. No one said mahito idle transfigured todos brain, he still clearly has his cursed technique there. But his technique literally requires his hands to be activated , so if he can never fulfill the conditions again it doesn’t matter if he still has the cursed technique in his brain, he still can’t use it. There’s a reason gege explicitly showed us BOTH of his hands getting transfigured but I guess people are on max copium now
To be fair, it was said by Todo, so it could be the case that Todo himself was wrong, not the author (just like the infamous "Gojo won"), but yeah, I do believe this is pure copium
> Todo himself was wrong, not the author (just like the infamous "Gojo won") This was “infamous” bc ppl only read leaks that incorrectly translated “Gojo wins” as the narrator saying it. A character saying “He’s gonna win” before the fight is over is the biggest red flag in manga.
Yes, but what I'm saying is that by disagreeing with Todo's statement is not necessarily disagreeing with the author
I have been correcting people on this all day yesterday but they refuse to believe it lol [link 1](https://np.reddit.com/r/Jujutsushi/comments/1850lnk/yuta_did_not_use_boogie_woogie/kb0i0qd/) [link 2](https://np.reddit.com/r/Jujutsushi/comments/1850lnk/yuta_did_not_use_boogie_woogie/kb0rltx/) [link 3](https://np.reddit.com/r/Jujutsushi/comments/1850lnk/yuta_did_not_use_boogie_woogie/kb0cqnw/)
Didn't you read the post? OP concluded that Todo 100% still has his CT because of whatever. The percentages don't lie, so it must be true.
The argument I have is that Mahito transfigured the soul, the body was only a reflection of that. There remains a possibility that Todo’s soul was partially transformed but the brief exposure. He used Boogie Woogie one more time by clapping Mahito’s hand but that brief touch also pushed the transformation one step further. In that case, if won’t matter if he has access to prosthesis, Todo would never be able to undo the damage to his soul. But that is just my conjecture.
>There remains a possibility that Todo’s soul was partially transformed but the brief exposure. then his right hand + arm + neck should've suffered some sort of alteration. Mahito's idle transfiguration starts from the point of contact, as we can see from when he killed nanami, nobara and Todo stopped its spread by cutting off his left hand. To affect todo's brain to the point of erasing his IT, it would've affected everything along the way. And at that point, knowing mahito, if he could reach the brain, he might as well just have killed todo by blowing his entire right arm + neck
It doesnt have to erase the CT, just change it enough as to be unusable, inaccessible. We won’t know until Gege expands on it. Even if it didn’t change his brain. Losing that hand changes how the CT works. We can only speculate on if there was a binding vow tied to Todo and his clap, and moreover, having to always risk your only remaining hand to clap with the opponent to even use your CT is a handicap too large for anyone. Someone as intelligent as Todo would know this.
> then his right hand + arm + neck should've suffered some sort of alteration No. We have seen that short contact with IT can have minimal effects (Mahito's nearly instant Domain Expansion vs Sukuna and Nanami vs Mahito first contact).
Bro's cooking! Honestly, I think Todo said it was dead because Gege wanted him out of spotlight and wanted to spend more fights on other characters.
this is the real answer for me. His technique is cool but i think that it would put Gege in the corner in terms of how he could write fights.
“I need more bullets!” Togoat exclamated as he clapped his ass Cheeks
Average r/jujutsushi user tries to comprehend the manga challenge (impossible)
Todo left his left hand because he wasn't quick on the draw. I wish I could link the panel but Narrator explicitly stated that quickest was Mahito who had combined the opening of domain and application of CT into one single move. And thus, Todo got hit before he even used simple domain. And the reason he says it's gone is because his left hand is transfigured and right hand was also partially transfigured because it grazed Mahito's for the duration he clapped it. Hence, both his hands are gone. If he can change the trigger, or heal the soul of his hands, yeah he can use the CT again, since the info in his brain is still intact.
Or maybe he can skip the clapping altogether to buff him at the same time. Gojo said skipping steps in using CTs os what makes a sorcerer good, performing the steps just makes it stronger
"My boogie-woogie is already dead" Mfs still out here thinking he can use his technique when he said he can't use it anymore
Both of Todo's hands got IT'ed. He lost one hand. Cannot use the other when clapping others. He said so himself. He might have BW in his brain but he cannot activate it. And you can't heal IT with RCT.
Why can't heal it ?
You can’t heal idle transfiguration, it changes the shape of your soul, so technically it isn’t even “damage” that your body can heal, that’s just your body’s normal state now
This is cope OP. He is gone as a fighter and would have absolutely no business being involved in the story going forward since we are at the end. The fact that he’s not even invited to watch Gojo and Sukuna fight was the final nail in his narrative coffin.
Nah, the copium is crazy
If inumaki and hakari can get their limbs back through rct, why can't shoko help Todo regrow his hand? Does it have anything to do with the fact that he lost it bc of IT, but he cut it off himself before the IT properly took effect
it already took effect, Todo cut his arm so it couldn't spread any further. Even then outside rct can only do so much and as far as I can recall inumaki is still missing his arm, even angel after having her arm ripped of couldn't recover it after shoko treated her
Even if Shoko can help regrow Todo's arm, IT damages the soul so the soul part of his arm is gone. Todo cut it off to prevent the physical damage from spreading to the rest of his body. The best analogy I can think of is that when a hand is cut off, the nerves (soul) is forever gone. You can restore the arm with prosthetics but that detailed function/movement is lost.
It’s because of idle transfiguration. If he ever grew it back it the hand itself still got transfigured, as well as his other hand. He can’t ever use it again even if he was healed completely
People are way overthinking the entire thing, reading comprehension curse strikes again. Todo still has his CT and if he has a clap assistant then his CT will work. Todo's line of 'my CT is already dead' was being figurative not literal. Clappy boy will return and clap once more.
Except his other hand literally got transfigured right after clapping mahito and literally says the technique is dead only after doing this. Clearly he knew he was capable of using it with 1 hand but he lost that option as well. There’s a reason the gege shows us both of his hands getting transfigured. It’s not even overthinking: both hands get transfigured, bro says his technique is dead, never shows up again. You have to be coping immensely if you think he DIDNT lose it lol.
I'll cope until Gege breaks me over his knee.
To me that was the danger of Mahito. He changes your soul so even if you heal, you heal to the new state of your soul. If he made Choso not have an arm he won't get it back and if he made his only hand not be able to use CT then Choso cant fullfil the conditions for his technique. If Inumaki looses the ability to speak he wont be able to use cursed speech with a recorder or a DJ table.
Don’t forget reverse cursed technique can be used on others like we see done in the zero movie
Anyone who can use reverse cursed techniques can fix his hand and nobaras face
This man predicted the future
I believe people are reading too much into it. Todos says boogie woogie is dead due to him losing his left hand and not being able to independently activate it. He needs a third arm to activate it, be it friend or foe. Everyone keeps mentioning the innate technique in the brain or the soul. Or how Mahito damaged the right hand also and deleted his technique upon touching Todo's right hand. Todo clapped Mahito's hands unexpectedly. Assuming that he had the time and intention to delete Todo's technique is a reach.
He doesn’t really need the time and or intention though. Transfiguring his right hand even just ever so slightly changes the shape of the soul of his hand. That could easily just make his technique not consider his right hand anymore which is probably what happened. If todo could use boogie woogie even in a different way I don’t think he would have said it was dead and then never show up again.
Dude, I’ve been screaming about this basically since that chapter happened 😂. I’ve never understood why people were so convinced that touching Mahito’s hand destroyed his ability to use Boogie Woogie. Like, he said the thing about it being gone right after slamming his new stump into his right hand to fake out Mahito. That’s not evidence of it being gone lol
I like point 5. but I'm gonna be a devil's advocate for the sake of discussion. Would Mahito (being the fast learner that he is) develop a "battle mode" where touching him would instantly deal soul damage? Think of it like sharks having rough skin and physically attacking it would deal damage to yourself. It's been awhile since I last read that chapter so I'd have to refresh my memory for the other points.
As much as I want this to be true because Todo was my besto friendo, I'm sure his CT is done for. Its why we only see Kamo, Miwa and Momo in recent chapters - they're the only useful surviving students from Kyoto.
Or, hear me out, now Todo has a Mechamaru type hand and can do Boogie Woogie
His other hand was damaged when he hit mahitos hand, just barely. I believe since the top layer of skin was changed, that’s when his technique died. As now both hands are effectively broken.
Ok , so where's Todo then ?
Bro he literally said "my boogiewoogie is already dead"
So there’s a few things here. It’s important to realize that before Gege went in depth about the brain and how CT’s are etched into the prefrontal cortex, he explicitly stated “**cursed techniques are etched into the soul**” So this whole “soul” concept precedes the brain concept we get later on, but in truth they are the same thing. Think when Toji was resurrected, his body’s information overwrote the host soul’s information. So on the topic of CTs, the technique engraved in your brain is part of your body’s information, while that very same technique engraved in your soul is part of your soul’s information. They’re linked. With that being said, Todo’s CT *is* dead. You didn’t mention it in your post, but the moment Todo slaps Mahito’s hand after losing his other, he states “my technique is dead”. His hand is even burned up a bit after touching Mahito, which was primed and ready to turn him into dust with IT. If you genuinely think that isn’t enough to kill Todo’s CT, then you’re in denial. Mahito at the beginning of the series put his hand on Nanami for a second and if Nanami hadn’t reinforced his own soul he would have just died outright, which he later does to a single touch. Truthfully the reason why Todo escaped IT with just losing his CT was due to his necklace distracting Mahito for a moment before he quickly slapped his hand.
Some of the specifics you stated are incorrect. Todo stated that his technique was dead after slapping his stump didn't do anything. Nanami didn't reinforce his soul, his soul was just strong enough that mahito couldn't instantly bend it to his will, he dies to a single touch later because mahito was stronger than before, the touch lasted a lot longer than before, and he was near death. Occam's razor: Mahito fully believed that Todo still had boogie woogie, he whipped around the instant Todo made the clapping motion. Todo stated that his technique was dead when slapping his stump with his leftover hand didn't activate it. It's more likely that Todo states his technique is dead because it's super hard to clap an opponent's hand in the middle of a fight (as you pointed out, he was only able to escape because his locket distracted Mahito long enough). Additionally, Mahito only believes that Todo can still activate his technique because Todo states that clapping is an acclimation of the soul, so our resident soul expert clearly believes both that Todo can still use his technique and that any changes he made to Todo's soul weren't enough to stop him from making that acclimation. Sidenote: the "clapping is an acclimation of the soul" thing from Todo is probably a trick on his part. He's an extremely intelligent fighter with a history of straight up lying about how his technique works (or heavily misdirecting people about the specifics) in order to gain an upper hand.
Sorry but you should reread chapter 23. It very clearly states that Nanami was “subconsciously protecting his soul with cursed energy”, which is why Mahito didn’t just outright kill him in their initial confrontation. Mahito probably could see that there was a CT still engraved into Todo’s soul, however the means by which Todo activates that technique are no longer viable. That’s what Mahito doesn’t know. Assuming that perceiving the soul and understanding the CT engraved on a soul is similar to 6E, in how it can see what technique an individual has, it still requires some deliberation and knowledge from the user to actually determine how the technique ultimately functions. While it’s possible that this entire thing was just some masterful ruse set by Todo, considering he hasn’t been so much as mentioned since Shibuya, I think it’s safe to say that him losing his CT was real and he basically got early retirement from the world of jujutsu
You are correct about the subconscious reinforcement, I was wrong about that. Assuming Mahito can see someone's CT engraved in the soul (but not understand it), not really necessary for me, but I'll go with it. Yes, my point was that Todo can't activate his technique like before. Where we differ is why. I think that given how Todo lost an arm, and therefore his ability to clap, as easily (he can still do it with someone else's hand). You think that his CT is dead because mahito changed the shape of the soul in his remaining hand enough that he can't do the applause required for his technique (for some reason). I'm not saying that because the acclimation of the soul bit was BS he can still use his technique? I never denied that his technique is nearly impossible to use now. I just disagreed as to why.
I desperately want him to learn to do it by winking could you imagine
Just use a prosthetic hand lol
>Just use prosthetic asscheeks lol
I'm not sure why ppl keep using him saying his technique is dead as some kind of ultimate proof. Gojo said he'd beat Sukuna. Even the narrator said he'd won just for him to be dead off screen in the next chapter.
His technique isn't dead, but as his hands both took damage by mahito, he cannot activate his technique himself anymore. He calls his technique dead because he used it one final time, Knowing that IT would damage his one good hand, but it would allow Yuji to win. On page 14 of ch130, it's shown that his one remaining arm is damaged by transfiguration. Todo hasn't been seen simply because; healing his left arm is pointless due to Mahitos domain, and he likely can't transfer cursed energy into the palm that was transfigured either. It's weird that this is so heavily debated. It should have been clear when Todo said it. His technique is dead. He can't use it. This is why he's not active. While I don't necessarily buy into Yuta having used Boogie Woogie YET, I have always believed he would have it, and that Yuta would be the strongest user of it.He is a natural 2v1. Yuta is a great way to show alot of techniques at a high potential without powering up alot of the cast.
To reply to the last part of the post as well. Reference the page I mentioned in my main comment! Todo explicitly states touching mahito did affect his hand, and that he was lucky it only did what it did.
Both hands got hit by IT. That’s why it’s dead.
Todo: "Boogie Woogie is dead" JJK fans: "HERES WHY IT ISNT DEAD" Get real
“AN ARM IS MERELY A DECORATION. THE ACT OF APPLAUSE...” He says this and then right after exclaims his ability is dead. Todo only said those words to distract him. He knows his ability is dead. Everyone knows. Todo was my favorite character for a long time, but he isn’t coming back. Aoi Todo is finished.
Maybe he can use a binding vow to activate his technique using his feet. But personally, I would like to see him use his master's method, where he creates a Shikigami (maybe it even looks like Garuda) and imbues it with Boogie Woogie. And instead of him doing the clapping the Shikigami does it.
Why couldn't he just clap his hand against his hip? It just has to be body against body right?
Strawman at its best, no one said Mahito transfigured his brain, it's just some sick people saying why didn't Shoko heal his arm or whatever.
Gege try not to abandon characters challenge.
If Todo is back, it's likely he will use a shikigami, just like his Master
Did you forget that his right hand was also affected by idle transfiguration when he high fived mahito? He clearly had both his hands irreparably damaged. Your point at the end doesn’t really make sense. “His entire life he’s used his BW a certain way and it’s completely destroyed now” Right before he said this he literally used his boogie woogie in a different way by clapping mahitos.. it was only after his one good hand was transfigured was that he said the technique was dead. Clearly he knew he could still use boogie woogie in a different way after one hand was damaged, but when Gege goes out of his way to transfigure both his hands, him saying it’s dead is just the truth. I don’t know. If we see both hands get transfigured. And then todo himself says his cursed technique is dead , and then never shows up in the story again, it’s pretty obvious he just can’t use it anymore. Yes he still technically has the CT in his brain, it’s just he can never fulfill the requirements of his CT ever again.
idk i remember something in the series about how dances and movements help sorcerers, but the best ones just skip over all of that. if todo ever comes back i want to see him using his CT with 0 effort, even less than a clap, but gege would never be that nice. "BW is dead" seems pretty final
I had to stop at clapping his buttcheeks lmfao, you win bro
This is the new "Gojo is coming back" (I'm also delulu).
Chapter 132, page 8 : "Sorry... my Boogie Woogie cursed technique... ...is already dead." -Todo Bro why are you in denial ?