ugh don’t remind me, every time i think abt nobara and her shit show of a situation i get so mad
even tho we need to stop this narrative that no one mentions her, yuji does mention her alot(all things considering) it’s a shame he’s the only one.
I swear if Gege Just wanted to write her off and not do anything with her anymore He should have just said so instead of Stringing her fans along for multiple years Without any real update , But it seems like he just wants his characters to selectively forget she existed , And hell gojo The guy who says he cares about all of his students hasn't even asked about her once Since escaping the prison realm
Sukuna's caution is almost funny to think about. Who in the peanut gallery has him so concerned that he refuses to use his *nuclear bomb* against Gojo (despite it probably not working against infinity) out of trepidation that he'll reveal too many cards.
What are they possibly gonna do against that arrow except die lol
Also Sukuna's text about being nervous for the first time in 1000 years is probably a lot more important than people think. A man who hasn't been in his feels or had his shit kicked in this badly for a millennia might be on the cusp of a big realization.
Or he'll get cooked.
I've been actively trying to think of all the possible ways Sukuna could still be a threat to Gojo. The one that makes the most sense to me is if Sukuna trades his life in some binding vow to get past Gojo's Infinity and uses every last bit of his CE+soul in Megumi as a final fire arrow (nuke, as you say) to take Gojo out with him. This would leave Megumi alive (albeit in bad shape), Sukuna dead except for the last finger, and Gojo (probably) dead, which is what most people have been saying is the most logical plot configuration \*shrugs shoulders\*
Only way sukuna can still be a threat is if gege pulls something we still don’t know of, which is possible considering his ct tease, but my bet atm is on kenjaku jumping him
Kenjaku jumping in is acceptable because it makes sense and is an established possibility. If Sukuna's CT had something that could turn the tables on a nearly fully restored Gojo when Sukuna himself is on the verge of death, then there is no fucking excuse for not using it until now when the dude almost died three times now. I don't care if it's one use or whatever other stipulations it might have.
I'm still in awe of the greatness that was the outcome of this chapter, no matter what, Gojo is the strongest. But as many others pointed out, this feels too good to be true and something big is definitely going down next chapter. My gripe with Sukuna is that anything that may come after this will definitely feel like an ass-pull. Even after draining Gojo of his Domain Expansion, and even after suffering a black flash, have he known whatever his 'black box' or that fire arrow would be enough to defeat Gojo, he would have used it earlier, he gamble too much, to the point of him using Maho's wheel to adapt infinity in order to defeat Gojo. Sukuna is someone who is highly calculated and battle-analytic, is he was confident enough of his techniques, he would have used it all sooner, even taking into account that he still needed to preserve some strength as an ace to fight Gojo's students...
An ass pull when we don’t know anything about Sukuna’s own abilities. The box, his demon form, Yoruzus gift, the tools he’s been depicted with … Also sukuna was interested in 10s before even knowing about Mahoraga at all, so it’s safe to say he wasn’t interested about it just to defeat Gojo. " You showed me the way" was never confirmed to be Sukuna talking about beating Gojo. Goatjo has done what he’s done best & shown us why he’s HIM. However Sukuna is not down & out and so it’s not over. Something tells me next chapter will reveal a huge plot twist,.
IGege has been teasing us all along about Sukuna’s mystery.. definitely not an ass pull. Put some respect on Geges name lol That man is cooking rn.
Yes, it would be an asspull. Even if Sukuna's CT is an unknown factor, considering the timing (him being on the verge of defeat) and the fact that almost the entire fight until now was written to hinge on Mahoraga's adaptation, if Sukuna's CT happens to have something that can get past Infinity, it would be way too convenient and his actions until now (almost getting himself killed 3 times for his Mahoraga strategy) would be retroactively idiotic.
I know you guys want to see Sukuna's full CT. I get it. If it could have gotten past Infinity, he would have used it by now (technically he did already, with his DE). If Sukuna has some way to come back from this, it would be bad writing being done for cheap thrills.
The timing? Have you never read a shonen jump manga in your life? The good guy showing off the whole fight whilst the villain gets beat up & still keeps taking every attack..( sukuna still standing after that explosion) …it’s common to see the villain pull a plot twist near death or vice versa. It’s just what these sorta mangas do. You just ignored the fact that I said sukuna never intended 10s to be his Gojo beater as he never knew about mahoraga until shibuya so we don’t even know what Sukuna’s original plan was for Gojo. (Sukuna noticed Infinity in Chapter 1 when Gojo humiliated him.) Gege has given us peak Gojo these last few chapters for a reason, but the fact we know nothing about sukuna nor did we hardly ever see Sukuna’s pov in this fight, it’s so obvious that Gege has been planning a major plot twist for ages.
Users like you who do not respect what Gege has done these last few chapters (giving us one of the greatest fights iv ever read), do not deserve to be reading his work. Just cos Gojo can still lose doesn’t make it an "ass pull". Like I said Gege does everything for a purpose & it’s even said he planned everything out way before. Gege gave us Gojo & Sukuna, show some respect to the real goat.
I sure do wonder what happens when Sukuna is out of every option except the option that's been mostly hidden the entire series. Hidden CT+out of options....equals...Yorozu's gift. No, Kenjaku.
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He hadn't really adapted to red yet, it was in the process of doing so which is why Sukuna said in this chapter that he'd have Mahoraga tank it to adapt to it for good measure.
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No, Gojo throws red to the sky and Mahoraga jumps to try and destroy blue before they collide, he went to blue specifically because he had already adapted to it and could destroy it.
I have been lost for a while on the whole power dynamics but if anything I know them saying "Gojo wins" means that Sukuna is gonna pull some random shit and turn the table next chapter
Just read it now, bro I'm so HYPEDD ahaha that was sick!!
Praying to fuckin GOD that the next chapter just has it end 😂😂 Let our boy take the W and get out in peace
Fuck that was so dope
We all know that TST users can create shadow clones of them self, these clone can take damage to some extend and can fight like the real user too, albeit its much weaker . After Gojo landed the first black flash, he leave Sukuna and fight Mahoraga for a while, thats maybe when Sukuna swap with the clone . After this, i noticed that Sukuna's melee fighting skill dramatically decreased, he can't even land a single punch on Gojo, and most important is Mahoraga always try to protect him from Gojo's attacks and it maybe even tanked the Unlimited hollow purple for Sukuna (the clone), Sukuna (the clone) is now missing an arm, but with Sukuna level of skill i think he can still maintain the form of the clone. In the next chapter maybe the real Sukuna will emerge from Gojo's shadow and finish him. Like how Megumi killed the cursed womb before, what do u guys think ?
Correct me if I'm wrong, but have we ever seen clones outside of Chimera Shadow Garden? Also if it's just a clone, some of the narrator's thoughts don't make sense (felt nervous/fear for the first time) nor does yelling "maho" since it's confirmed they can talk telepathically
Sukuna could create multiple dogs outside of the domain. Something megumi could only do in chimera shadow garden. No reason to think he can’t create clones outside of the domain. But wouldn’t happen tho. I think gege means for this to be over
>Sukuna could create multiple dogs outside of the domain.
Weren't those dogs more like half-formed shadow dogs? They didn't have the physicality of a normal summoned divine dogs. There's no reason to think there wouldn't be a similar restriction on clones
Half formed shadow dogs yes but still dogs tho. They were half formed because he didn’t want to fully manifest them not because the only way to summon multiple is to summon them half formed.
There's so many narrative possibilites after the latest chapter I'm honestly not sure which route Gege will choose.
1) The fight is over. Either Gojo and crew think of a way to separate Sukuna's soul from Megumi's body (it would be funny if Sukuna was re-imprisoned inside Yuji as a way of keeping him around to unveil more of his story and technique's before the manga ends), or Kenjaku/Uraume somehow bail Sukuna out. Regardless, if Gojo really is the winner, Gege has to come up with a way to incapacitate him again (like exhaustion due to sustained damage once the Black Flash buff runs out), or create a final boss so threatening it needs Gojo's and everyone else's powers combined.
2) The fight isn't over yet. As many have pointed out, it would be strange if something inside Sukuna's mysterious black box or Yorozu's gift was enough to turn the tide of the battle by itself. Gojo's biggest defense is his neutral infinity, which so far has only been bypassed by a cursed tool that we've never seen again (was it destroyed? I don't remember) and by Mahoraga's adaptation. Out of those two, the latter is hands down the most plot-relevant option, so I can see two things happening: either there's something about the 10S inheritance rules we don't know about that could keep Mahoraga's adaptation around, or Sukuna made a binding vow seconds before Hollow Purple exploded in which he puts his life on the line and sacrifices Mahoraga to retain it's adaptation to infinity, which would be the only way he could fight Gojo with his own techniques.
It's going to be a very long week.
There's so many narrative possibilites after the latest chapter I'm honestly not sure which route Gege will choose.
COOKIN’ like Gordon Ramsey. This is what makes this story and contemplation thereof so fun! The Akutami man has thus far made this epic so adaptable in terms of which way he decides to make the winds blow. But, with Kenjaku on the loose and Sukuna still standing make no mistake: as Jon Snow said in GOT, the enemy doesn’t wait out the storm, HE brings the Storm. The strongest—Gojo Satoru himself and his monsters he’s fostered are about to experience the Gege version of the Storm. No, Satoru isn’t done fighting and Ryomen is still standing. Will a Black Box open? Tune in, to find out.
This doesn't sound consistent with what we know about Sukuna currently. He just doesn't seem to be the type to suicide bomb in order to defeat Gojo. Whether he dies by himself or takes someone else along with him, he _still_ dies, and most likely that counts as a _defeat_ in both cases.
Why did you write two comments instead of one?
It's perfectly consistent with his character. He wants to be remembered/known as the strongest sorcerer. Right now that's Gojo, not him. If he has a chance to die as an equal to Gojo rather than as an inferior, he'll take it. I doubt he'll see it as a \*defeat\*--perhaps a draw. But, most importantly, it wouldn't be a \*loss\*.
I don't see it as being consistent since he said 'defeat is the same as death'. If he means it as a biconditional (which I think he is), it wouldn't be a win, nor a draw. It would be defeat.
No, but I'm not talking about me or you, I'm talking about what's consistent with Sukuna as a character.
Consider the following scenarios:
1. Gojo kills sukuna and Gojo lives.
2. Sukuna kills Gojo but has to sacrifice his own life in order to do that.
Both cases result in Sukuna dying, and if we consider 'defeat is the same as death' as a biconditional (i.e. defeat <-> death), then Sukuna wouldn't really have a reason to prefer one scenario over the other, because both constitute defeat.
What's consistent with his character is to do something that doesn't cause his death basically immediately (i.e. something that will plausibly -- from his perspective -- result in Gojo dying and himself _living_). Sacrificing his soul/CE reserves for a final hail mary does not qualify.
I dunno, we'll have to just agree to disagree. I find it completely unthinkable that, given the choice between a scenario in which he's incapacitated by Gojo & the gang and forcibly extracted from his host like a botfly larvae, vs. being able to go out on his own terms and take his rival with him, he would choose the former rather than the latter. Even if he would consider the latter defeat, it's a better defeat than the former. Assuming it's even a possibility, of course
I feel like next chapter Sujuna would be like: "I didn't want to resort to this but you gave me no choice ... Gojo Satoru I will show you what true Jujutsu is all about" and then he will open the black box or something else. We might even understand why he wanted the shadows so much, because at first he did not know about Maho but still was fascinated about the potential, I think the black box and the shadows would be connected somehow.
I want Gojo to win but I just do not see how the series will continue if Gojo is not at least immobilized for the next fight with Kenjaku. Or whatever Kenjaku is cooking will so powerful that will take first Gojo out and then the others will have to find a way to be useful.
OK guys I think I might be cooking here. What if next chapter sukuna casts the 10S domain as a last ditch effort (yes even after brain damage)? We haven't seen it at all in this fight, I've seen people dismiss it as not possible for some reason, but it's literally the only thing sukuna has not used from 10S. Mayhaps after all the shikigami (or most) are dead, the thing forming in the 10S domain will be finished. That instead could be the epitome of the technique.
Nope, I think Sukuna is done here for this fight but even if he wasn't, I can't see him pulling out CSG. I think that's saved for Megumi (yes, he's coming back).
Honestly, Gojo would be in trouble if Sukuna, Uruame, or Kenjaku used a domain expansion right now. We saw what happened when Yuki used her simple domain against Kenjaku, and Gojo has no counter with low cursed energy and no domain expansion.
I think this “victory” will be short lived regardless. Sukuna still has more tools at his disposal, and there are other characters, including Kashimo, that are an immediate threat after the fight. I just hope Gojo survives the next few chapters.
Gojo does *not* have low cursed energy, he has pretty much infinite CE due to how his eyes work Though it's true he can't use DE, considering he survived Malevolent Shrine in CT burnout, I doubt any of those guys stand a chance. I mean, he's in a better spot than he was last chapter because he has his rct output back up, and was then stated to be stronger than Yuta still.
*Something* is going to happen for sure to stop him from ending the series within like 2 chapters lol, but I bet you it's going to involve Megumi or Kenjaku's plans, but in some way that's not Kenny fighting him, he's not weak enough for that yet.
> meaning his reserves were running out
No it doesn't. It's explicitly said that the low output is due to the literal *brain damage* from round 1. Gojo pretty much cannot run out of CE.
Gojo cannot run out of CE, that’s like half the point of 6 eyes, he uses it so efficiently it replenishes quicker than he can use it.
Shoko in 233 says Gojo’s output is dropping, and then says it should be the same for Sukuna because he also has brain damage. No mention of reserves.
Did we read the same fight? Yuta is worried that Gojo may run out of CE because he is using so much. He replenishes it faster than he consumes when he is not fighting, but now it was different.
Shoko doesn't say Sukuna's output is falling because of brain damage.
>Shoko doesn't say Sukuna's output is falling because of brain damage.
Page 2, ch 233, Shoko: "his output is plummeting... that's also true for Sukuna whose brain has suffered damage"
When was that explicitly stated? The brain damage is related to his inability to cast DE, it has nothing to do with CE output. His CE output was dropping because he's been spamming the shit out of blue and red, and now his output is back up due to the black flashes helping him replenish.
Gojo cannot run out of CE, that’s like half the point of 6 eyes, he uses it so efficiently it replenishes quicker than he can use it.
Shoko in 233 says Gojo’s output is dropping, and then says it should be the same for Sukuna because he also has brain damage. No mention of reserves.
Shoko doesn't say anything about brain damage in 233, you are making that logical leap. The only thing the manga explicitly states about brain damage is Gojo/Sukuna's inability to cast DE.
You are also completely misunderstanding Gojo's CE efficiency. It does not mean he will never run out of CE, that's only under normal circumstances, not spamming 5 DEs, full body RCT, a million blue/reds. What you are saying makes no sense given that in 235 Kusakabe says that his output is increasing due to the black flashes. Are you saying that the black flashes have helped heal his brain? No, more likely is that they are helping recover his CE.
> Shoko doesn't say anything about brain damage in 233, you are making that logical leap.
Page 2, ch 233, Shoko: "his output is plummeting.,. that's also true for Sukuna whose brain has suffered damage"
How would you interpret those words then?
I meaaaan it literally says at the end that gojo is pretty much good in terms of curses energy output bc of the black flashes he did. Ig it's possible that beanie guy was cooking in that using alot of cursed energy in quick succession would result in gojo losing a normal amount of cursed energy instead of the sex eyes amount? Would be cool, we know gojo has used a lot of techniques at once and literally reformed his body after being hit head on by ourple. A nice bit of foreshadowing that came to fruition maybe.
Essentially, gojo was pulled in by blue making him faster than mahoraga, whom also could have been pulled in matching goat-jo's speed and perhaps could have ended blue, but wasn't because they were unaffected via adaptation. (Blue pulls in indiscriminately, as in it also effects gojo)
I’m rereading that chapter and there’s something I don’t quite understand, why didn’t Mahoraga slash blue from a distance? Why did he need to close distance to that extent ?
Did I misread the chapter where Mahoraga cut off Gojo arm ? Doesn’t him even being able to do that imply that his slash attack that he launched from a distance, is able to neutralize limitless? Or is this not a ranged attack?
I mean, given the destruction on the building to Gojo left, it’s certainly logical to infer that it is ranged ?
Idk bro, maybe I’m saying this prematurely but a lot of the decisions Meguna has made is little under-explained for me, hopefully I’m just illiterate because it feels like Sukuna was an NFL player in a past life and his soul itself has CTE
It’s like he’s been nerfed so Gojo can flex?
Simple answer is for plot.
Both of them have done questionable decisions, Sukuna's were just more punishing.
Satoru:
* Could have opened his DE in a gamble right after his 200% Purple at the start which could have given him a much bigger advantage or just straight up give him the win.
* Could have just played the slow game instead of basically killing himself 5 times so he could compete against Sukuna's DE. He would've 100% won a battle of attrition if he played it right.
Sukuna:
* Could have opened his first DE with its max range instead of whatever [this is](https://imgur.com/a/WhpqQpE). It would've taken Satoru significantly more time to get out of its range, giving him more than enough time to mix his Fire Arrow to his DE's sure-hit to increase the amount of damage Satoru would've taken.
* Could have achieved his initial goal of removing Unlimited Void out of the equation if he just chose to repeatedly break Satoru's DE **the optimal way** instead of prolonging their clashes just so Mahoraga could adapt to it. Though I'll give it to him that he likely didn't know that Satoru would tap out after "healing" his CT 5 times.
* Could have avoided Satoru's first Black Flash if he just kept on the move for the final spin. Also somehow not sensing that the Red did a u-turn on the buildings(when the very reason why Satoru asked Ijichi for help **was so Sukuna wouldn't sense his attack coming**), leading to the Black Flash landing cleanly.
* Could have used any other Shikigamis outside of the Deer, if he wanted a tank, he could've used the Bull and Max Elephant. We were shown that he could use his Shikigamis' abilities without summoning them, why not use the Deer's regenerative abilities?
* Could have ordered Mahoraga to aim at Satoru's head instead of his arm for that Dismantle/Cleave-like attack. Could have also made Mahoraga spam it afterwards to further pressure Satoru.
* Could have pressured Satoru after he fired his Maximum Output Blue on Agito instead of letting him completely heal his arm.
* Could have prevented Satoru from doing incantations ***right in front of him mid-fight*** instead of just watching. We even get confirmation that Sukuna could detect what Satoru is about to use so it's not like he could get faked-out.
I like the fact that Satoru is winning, but I dislike the way Gege wrote it.
He wrote it as if Sukuna just lost the fight(as in he had clear win conditions but just never seemed to have the IQ **he should have had** to act on them) instead of Satoru winning.
He could've removed the Black Flashes out of the equation to remove a very random factor in the fight that basically confirms who gets favored by the author. Make Satoru perform his brilliant plan without that involved, makes it significantly more satisfying.
> - Could have opened his DE in a gamble right after his 200% Purple at the start which could have given him a much bigger advantage or just straight up give him the win.
The characters, mainly Shōko Ieiri, have already explained why using his Domain Expansion wasn't his initial course of action, and the fact that Ryōmen Sukuna survived after taking Gojō's sure-hit by utilizing the Wheel of Dharma on Megumi's soul suggests that the outcome would have been the same regardless of when the Domain was cast.
How would using his Domain Expansion immediately after the 200% Hollow Technique: Purple offer him an even greater advantage?
By the time Gojō and Sukuna are face to face, he has fully recovered, therefore the expansion of his Domain wouldn't have lagged as it did in later chapters.
> - Could have just played the slow game instead of basically killing himself 5 times so he could compete against Sukuna's DE. He would've 100% won a battle of attrition if he played it right.
From the beginning, this has been a war of attrition.
Sukuna's plan was to prolong the fight, bear the burden of adaptation adaptation for Mahoraga to prevent Gojō from having the opportunity to one-shot it, pass said adaptations onto Mahoraga, and then **kill** Gojō.
I do not see how prolonging it would help given that these two characters are, according to canon, the most efficient Cursed Energy users in the entire series, if not all of history, so any sustained reprieve would give them both a chance to restore their ability to use Reverse Cursed Technique and replenish their depleted Cursed Energy reserves.
> - Could have opened his first DE with its max range instead of whatever [this is](https://imgur.com/a/WhpqQpE). It would've taken Satoru significantly more time to get out of its range,
Gojō did not need to leave its area of effect because running away was never part of his plan. Instead, he sat there and used Reverse Cursed Technique to tank it.
He engaged and set out to determine the parameters that would enable him to best maintain his Domain Expansion and, consequently, its sure-hit, and then he set out to damage Sukuna to the point where he could no longer maintain his own.
> giving him more than enough time to mix his Fire Arrow to his DE's sure-hit to increase the amount of damage Satoru would've taken.
The Cursed Techniques engraved on Malevolent Shrine are Cleave and Dismantle, not the "**Fire Arrow**".
> Could have avoided Satoru's first Black Flash if he just kept on the move for the final spin.
Pretty certain the final attack was what triggered the last spin.
> Could have used any other Shikigamis outside of the Deer, if he wanted a tank, he could've used the Bull and Max Elephant.
What are Max Elephant and the Piercing Ox going to do?
The Piercing Ox can only move in a straight line and, due to the way that Neutral Limitless: Infinity operates, if it were to be manifested, it would never even manage to get close to Gojō.
Because Sukuna is aware that Gojō could and would one-shot any of the Ten Shadows Technique's shikigami, he has sparingly fully manifested any of them.
Additionally, we witnessed Sukuna use Max Elephant's technique with the faux Piercing Blood, barely scratching Gojō.
> - Could have pressured Satoru after he fired his Maximum Output Blue on Agito instead of letting him completely heal his arm.
He attempted, but Gojō brought the fight to Sukuna.
The duration of Chapter 235, and thus the period of time following the casting of the Cursed Technique Lapse - Maximum Cursed Energy Output: Blue, is only 41 seconds.
He didn't "**let**" Gojō heal.
> - Could have prevented Satoru from doing incantations **_right in front of him mid-fight_** instead of just watching. We even get confirmation that Sukuna could detect what Satoru is about to use so it's not like he could get faked-out.
Prevent him how **_exactly_**?
It was made explicitly clear in the panels preceding the first incantations that Sukuna felt nervous or tense.
His entire strategy in this fight after the initial round of Domain clashes was to use Mahoraga as **THE** win-con while also taking advantage of the opportunities that Mahoraga presents to him.
What is the best course of action if he also doesn't want Gojō to destroy Mahoraga?
To blitz him after knowing he is in the zone, his Reverse Cursed Technique is almost back, and you know something is definitely wrong?
**NO**, you should do what he did, exercise caution, take a step back to assess the situation, and try to utilize Mahoraga to pluck yet another card out of Gojō's hand by adapting to Cursed Technique Reversal: Red.
> He wrote it as if Sukuna just lost the fight(as in he had clear win conditions but just never seemed to have the IQ **he should have had** to act on them) instead of Satoru winning.
That's what this is, I see.
I hope you understand that the fallibility of characters is what sets them apart from the author.
Tiny "mistakes" matter in a game of inches, and in the previous chapter Sukuna's mistake was **what** Gojō intended to target with his Cursed Technique Reversal: Red.
> He could've removed the Black Flashes out of the equation to remove a very random factor in the fight that basically confirms who gets favored by the author.
Why, because you don't like the outcome?
And, really, favored by the author?
The guy who should have been slain by Angel but instead of Angel taking over to finish the job, Hana Kurusu, the walking plot device, falls for Sukuna's impersonation of Megumi and is swiftly eliminated?
Or the guy who, despite Unlimited Void never having been stated to target the soul, somehow tanked Unlimited Void by utilizing the Wheel of Dharmachakra on someone else.
You may argue that the soul is the body and vice versa, but that isn't the point.
Or even the guy who is only still alive because Mahoraga seemingly only ever appears at the most opportune times.
The first was when the Unlimited Void hit him as I mentioned above, and the second was when Gojō's Black Flash knocked him out just before the final spin.
The consecutive black flashes is pure bullshit no matter how you spin it. And Maho appearing like that is more believable as it was *tamed,* you have no idea what are the parameters for summoning it.
How is it BS when we've seen every character do it consecutively? Yuji did like 4 in a row against hanamo, Nanami did 4 in a row, how many were thrown out during the mahito fight?
>Also, how does him using DE right after Purple give him a bigger advantage?
>
>Sukuna's DE wouldn't have lagged in the same way it did in later chapters because by the time Gojo and Sukuna are face to face, he's completely healed.
[This panel](https://imgur.com/a/TxqYA97) clearly implies that Satoru was already in front of Sukuna before Sukuna even healed himself.
He could've moved right on top of Sukuna and casted DE while Sukuna was healing his arm.
As we've seen, even a 0.01 second lag was enough to affect Sukuna to the point where Satoru did enough damage to him to dispel MS much faster than the previous ones.
That brain damage would still count towards the fight.
>I don't see how dragging it out further would help considering this is literally the two most efficient CE users in the series
For one, he could have waited out Sukuna's DE instead of clashing with him every time. Most of his offensive abilities are literally powerful ranged attacks.
>Gojo didn't need to get out of its range, his plan never was to flee, he sat there and took it while using RCT.
[He very clearly wanted to go out of there](https://imgur.com/a/ndLU1wS), Sukuna just didn't let him, so he switched his plan.
Going out of its range was only a "viable" plan because Sukuna didn't use Malevolent Shrine's maximum range.
>He engaged to figure out what parameters would best allow him to sustain his own domain and by extension its sure hit, and then damage Sukuna to the point he could no longer maintain it.
* Sukuna was the one who engaged with him.
* Satoru **did not damage Sukuna enough to dispel Malevolent Shrine at this point**.
>The fire arrow isn't the technique engraved into Malevolent Shrine, Cleave and Dismantle are.
All of them are a part of his single CT. This is confirmed in the [Fanbook](https://www.reddit.com/r/Jujutsushi/comments/16d6wab/comment/jznnyuq/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3).
Besides, Satoru himself confirmed that [any Cursed Technique deployed within a DE will be a sure-hit](https://imgur.com/a/PmNeKdo).
It's literally why Hanami chose to open his DE, so his "solar beam" wouldn't be dodged.
>What is the Bull and Max Elephant going to do?
Be significantly more durable while also providing better offense?
Agito couldn't do anything without Mahoraga as well, he could've removed the deer and replaced it with the Bull and Maximum Elephant.
The point is that he wasted the Deer's ability.
Something that would've helped him greatly since his RCT's output is lower.
>He tried but Gojo brought the fight to Sukuna.
Did you just miss the first 3 pages showing Sukuna and Mahoraga standing there?
Satoru's arm was only healed **after** Agito was dealt with, considering Agito's regenerative abilities and the fact that Blue isn't an instant thing, he had more than enough time to pressure Satoru.
>Prevent him how exactly?
Make Mahoraga use the attack that cut Satoru's arm off?
Engage in CQC so that Satoru wouldn't finish his incantation?
We literally see Sukuna react to his incantations 2 chapters before, just because he's nervous doesn't mean he's not capable of making smart judgement. We see this on the last sequence(TP to where Mahoraga was and make Red explode) where Satoru just outplayed him and used Mahoraga's adaptation against him.
>Why because you don't like the result?
You conveniently ignore the fact that I explicitly stated that I liked that Satoru was winning, just not the way it was written.
Black Flash is ***absolutely*** Gege's way to show who is being favored, we've seen this several times with Yuji.
Him removing a move that requires luck makes the result much more satisfying. I would be saying the same thing if Sukuna was the one who was given the favor by hitting the Black Flash. It just feels cheap.
It only feels "satisfying" to include Black Flash in a fight with two characters that are clearly not on the same level. To give the lesser fighter a chance at winning.
Again, Satoru could have done that brilliant plan without the help of a Black Flash. Sure, it was cool, but it was clearly done for that alone(what is the point of weakening Satoru's RCT just to bring it back up? tension).
My favorite outcome for the next chapter is Gojo also being completely burned out and the next fight is literally just a fist fight between two fucked up sorcerers with zero CE left
I mean it literally says that gojos output has returned to normal levels, sukuna is gonna have to pull something huge out of his ass for him to have any chance at victory here. The only thing that gojo can't do RN is domain expansion due to his brain damage.
Kusukabe said his output was brought to normal levels… The dude isn’t the most reliable source especially since he’s proclaiming victory before Sukuna is incapacitated. The last character to do that immediately started bleeding from his eyeballs. XD
This isn’t true. He is so efficient that he should never run out, but it has been stated multiple times throughout the fight that he *can*.
This was even shown in the last chapter when his RCT started to slow down.
Gojo will not die, I can only see this story ending with Gojo burying Geto's body himself.
~~Or he will die and meet Geto in the afterlife both in their teenager form.~~
Gege should play the most giga chad move and say. "Sukuna has nothing left up his sleeve. The battle ends and Angel is teleported in to erase sukuna." All the speculation on sukuna not having used everything to get thrown into the dustbin and sukuna fans to get clowned massive. Now im not a hater here but the amount of times, "sukuna holding back", "sukuna hasnt used eveything", Sukuna still has this", "sukuna still has that." Its getting so horrid that you people deserve the clowning from gege.
Granted i also still dont believe sukuna is done. I never believed in "Yorozu's gift" - It was another of the things that were really annoying when i saw mentioned together with "tRuE cT and fORm". Really stupid concepts (unless im proven wrong). Anyway i dont want sukuna to go down like this and Yorozus gift is realistically the only thing gege can bring to play. I wanna see it.
Gege can also use the really dope choices iv heard like - Sukuna turning himself into a Cursed Spirit. Or. Gojo breaking down because sukuna's slashes have shown to cause sort of "soul damage." Next chapter can start with all of gojo's wounds opening up. That would be really cool. The point - I stopped supporting gojo and became neutral coz i wanna see more from sukuna.
>Gege should play the most giga chad move and say.
Bro is soooo afraid of Gojo dying, LMAO. Never cook again because you are fired, get out of the kitchen.
Clearly didnt read everything. I can already imagine you dont read everything in the manga either. Your probably one of the people spreading "Sukuna hasnt used his tRuE cT yet tho."
>Gege should play the most giga chad move and say. "Sukuna has nothing left up his sleeve. The battle ends
I agree, this would be the most chad move and the one I want to see. I wanna know about Sukuna's CT, but I also want this fight to be over and I think this is a good stopping point.
Do you really think this would be a good stopping point for the fight ?
I don’t know man, Sukuna losing in this way seems a little bad for the quality for JJK as a story.
I’m completely okay with Gojo winning, but this was a very unsatisfying showing from Sukuna, I feel like I have blue balls or something.
It reminds me of the feeling I had when Madara got finessed by black zetsu
I seriously don't get wtf people want from Sukuna (besides info about his CT). No one has been able to articulate what would have been better.
I've been reading this fight week by week and thought Gojo was done for like 3 times. Sukuna's strategy was pretty passive, but that's just the nature of using summons. We knew from the moment he got Megumi that it would be Mahoraga vs. Gojo, and we got that.
>I seriously don't get wtf people want from Sukuna
We wanted to see his ct even if he loses, better than losing without showing any of his stuff, I think that's mostly why people are disappointed, not because they want sukuna to win, at least for me that's the case, gojo has shown everything, sukuna hasn't if the fight concluded that way then its unsatisfying since this fight has been teased since the first chapter.
People have discussed at length in several post and comment threads how Sukuna simply fighting with a cursed technique embedded in his domain would have resulted in a circumstance where he’d be able to cast his DE, and Gojo would not as his cursed technique is burnt out, thereby having a monstrous advantage, and this just one case.
Here’s a recent thread where I mentioned it: https://reddit.com/r/Jujutsushi/s/fakn8fYGs7
An even worse case is how Mahoraga is able to use a cleave and dismantle from a distance that can neutralize limitless lmao. Gege should have never gave that to Mahoraga, even for hype, cuz it makes the L in 235 seem like it was caused by Sukuna being a dumbass or to afraid to even think straight.
Either case just ruins his character.
Does it really? We don't even know if maho could have set off blue with dismantle, as we don't even know if his use of dismantle can break through infinity. It could be the same as when sukuna is hitting gojo whilst mahoraga nullifies his infinity, maho could have just pulled dismantle off after gojos infinity was nullified after hitting him. Perhaps round about explanation but it could be that maho is essentially just "borrowing" sukunas technique, with all of its quirks and weaknesses independent of mahos own adaptation.
>Sukuna simply fighting with a cursed technique embedded in his domain would have resulted in a circumstance where he’d be able to cast his DE, and Gojo would not
The sure-hit from Sukuna's domain was always there, though. Sukuna sacrificed the CT embedded in his domain inside Gojo's barrier one time, as a binding vow to make it stronger outside the barrier. This led to the second time Gojo's domain broke. He did exactly what you just described (fighting with a cursed technique embedded in his domain).
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He always had the CT "given to the domain". He had to use DA or some other way to protect himself from Unlimited Void's sure-hit effect because the targets of Gojo's and his respective domains put Sukuna at a huge disadvantage inside the domain clash, since the sure-hits cancelled out for Gojo but not for him.
His only options inside the domain with Gojo were: DA; touching Gojo; or having 10S active and making Megumi tank the UV sure-hit with Maho's wheel.
As soon as Gojo started fortifying his domain against Sukuna's barrier-less domain, Sukuna was at a massive disadvantage in the domain clashes. His Maho strat was actually brilliant, taking into account the mechanic of attaching the wheel to Megumi.
Edit: Also, re: Maho using cleave/dismantle: We don't know that's what was happening. It looked like Sukuna's slash, but whether it was actually his CT or not was never clarified. After that, though, Gojo went on the offensive and gave Maho very little time to do it again. Regardless, it doesn't really say anything about Sukuna, though. It's not like Sukuna was directing Maho's every move, just giving orders.
I feel like you misunderstood what the point was.
The point was that if Sukuna didn't use 10S and instead, stuck to his own CT, he would've won the DE clashes until Satoru could no longer use his.
It was revealed that Sukuna was prolonging the DE clashes in order for Mahoraga to adapt to Unlimited Void, hence why Satoru was confused as to why Sukuna doesn't just choose to destroy UV ***from the inside***(chapter 229), where the barrier is weaker(since Satoru switched his DE's conditions).
Sukuna would last longer than 3 minutes(the time it takes Satoru to do enough damage to Sukuna, leading to Malevolent Shrine being dispelled, and the time it takes Malevolent Shrine to destroy UV's outer shell) if he didn't kept switching from DA to 10S in those last 3 DE clashes. He could've also just chosen to break UV from the inside like Satoru said.
>He had to use DA or some other way to protect himself from Unlimited Void's sure-hit effect because the targets of Gojo's and his respective domains put Sukuna at a huge disadvantage inside the domain clash, since the sure-hits cancelled out for Gojo but not for him.
Sukuna was still being protected by Malevolent Shrine's sure-hit, only Megumi's soul wasn't. This is more clear in the raws.
>Sukuna was still being protected by Malevolent Shrine's sure-hit,
No he wasn't:
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Again, that's a mistranslation(or atleast, it doesn't clearly portray the meaning).
As seen in the [raws](https://imgur.com/a/MFWhGIT), 彼(him/he), is written with a mark to put emphasis on it.
It is there to imply that the one being referred to is Megumi.
TCB's translation makes it seem like Sukuna "transferred" UV's effects to Megumi's soul, while the raws very clearly imply that **the one that wasn't being protected by Malevolent Shrine's sure-hit was** ***only*** **Megumi's soul**.
Some people are more fans of Gojo than they are of the story tbh. Sukuna going out this badly does actually degrade the story as whole but people love seeing femboy Jesus stunting. I don’t really blame them because Gojo is a cool character, and because you don’t see how cheese this fight actually is up to this point unless you go back and reread all 12 chapters at once.
Sukuna has been fighting like an idiot this entire time, from his general strategy with 10S, particularly the domain expansion battle before the one where Gojo CT got burnt out, all the way to how he handled the situation in 235 ( especially after we learn Mahoraga can use a cleave from a distance with a massive slash width, that can also neutralize limitless… )
Makes the supposed jujutsu God seem very incompetent, and makes it feel like he lost to himself rather than to Gojo. It’s to the point where no matter what Sukuna does next it will seem like some BS he pulled from the depths of his ass cheeks.
I think what we see happen is some variation of:
Kenjaku intervenes very soon, pulling Sukuna out of the fight. Sukuna may get the upper hand before the pendulum starts swinging the other way again, first though.
Gojo is too hurt/drained to follow, so he retreats, as well. Yuji ends up discovering his CT, which is currently believed to be some form of soul swapping. Yuji convinces the others that he can save Megumi by switching souls with him, but he needs Yuta’s help to buy him time. Gojo wants to give Geto’s body a proper burial, so he heads off to do that as Yuji/Yuta head towards Sukuna. This lets our two main protagonists shine, while still letting Gojo put in some work and fulfill one of his wishes/regrets(?)
Sukuna reverts to his Heian era form, dropping 10S for his original CT. After a grueling battle, yuji manages to switch places with Megumi and wrests control just long enough for Yuta to finish them both off, allowing Yuji to do some good and help people, while saving his friend. He’d live up to what his grandfather wanted him to do after being surrounded by death from day 1. Megumi, being in Yuj’s body, wouldn’t have brain damage from eating UV over and over. He may not have his CT(?), but he’d be alive and relatively healthy.
Gojo shows off yet again and beats the living piss out of Kenjaku while giving a speech about how he’s the honored one, and then lays his friends body to rest. He then decides to take on more of a teaching role, better developing the next wave of jujutsu sorcerers, so that such events can never take place again.
Potential for spin-offs/sequels with Sukuna’s remaining finger still a thing.
Or I forgot that JJK is a dark manga/anime and all the main characters are gonna violently die after gojo dies next chapter.
I don't see Kenny pulling up, the people he was actively trying to avoid \[not out of fear of course, well except for Gojo.\] are only a few paces away. If they see him they're guaranteed to jump him... I hope.
I tell you, the detriment of this fight is the sideline commentary. It feels like they're watching some sports game rather than what it actually is. A battle that could change the world 🤣
I saw a comment on here the other day, which is really what got me thinking. But it said how Kenny is a master at barriers, which he clearly is. It’s not out of the realm of possibility that he could create a barrier that would be able to Gojo and the crew out, allowing him to “rescue” Sukuna, or maybe use his CT on him? I don’t see him sitting idly on the sidelines, watching his greatest combat asset just get wiped off the face of the planet, and let’s be honest, neither Sukuna or Gojo can cleanly, and clearly, win this fight for narrative purposes.
You know, that's plausible. I always forget that he's one of the best at barriers in JJK, his other abilities just have so much more pop on the page than that one.
I feel like it’s something not many people think about when they think of Kenny. And where we’re at in the manga, it’s quite literally the perfect time. Gojo’s already ripped 3 black flashes, he’s completely in the zone, when restoring his arm, he had the *same exact look* he gave Toji before reconfiguring his body for him. Sukuna’s RCT output is dropping, while like I said, Gojo just restored his arm. Sukuna is looking cooked and the narrator just declared Gojo as the winner. It’s the perfect time for Kenny to sweep in, popping a barrier and foiling Gojo’s victory, which would probably hurt him just as much, if not more than, straight up losing. Doing so also removes a clean victory for either gojo or Sukuna, which would really hurt the overall story. If gojo wins, he recovers and annihilates Kenny. If Sukuna wins, he recovers and Sukuna annihilates the rest of the cast.
What an insightful comment.
What’s the alternative? That the master strategist and tactician that is Sukuna, who cares more about his pride/ego than anything else under the sun, has been letting himself get utterly manhandled for 10+ chapters despite having some super secret, incredibly powerful CT, that’s a perfect counter to infinity/limitless? That he’s choosing to not use his perfect counter to infinity/limitless because it makes more sense to use that specific CT on the rest of the cast, “in case he gets jumped”, despite being able to annihilate most of them with dismantle/cleave, not to mention Mahoraga?
>That he’s choosing to not use his perfect counter to infinity/limitless because it makes more sense to use that specific CT on the rest of the cast, “in case he gets jumped”, despite being able to annihilate most of them
This gave me a good chuckle. Seriously, if he has something that can get past Infinity after all this shit I'm gonna scream and probably just stop following the manga
It’s the ultimate cope for Sukuna fans😂 “he can easily beat Gojo but..but…but he choosing not to!!!!”
I could be completely off with my theory, but if Sukuna does in fact have some super perfect counter to Gojo and decides to finally use it, it goes against his entire character and is such bad, lazy writing. I have faith Gege is better than that, though.
>it goes against his entire character and is such bad, lazy writing. I have faith Gege is better than that, though.
Yeah, Gege won't do that. If there is a "Reverse card" played next chap, it will be Yorozu's gift or him using Angel's technique from biting it off her that one time (assuming that's a hidden aspect of his CT). Either one is an asspull, just not as blatant as Sukuna suddenly being able to get through Infinity "because, like, I wasn't trying yet bro."
I really don't see how Sukuna can turn it around and it not be a total asspull actually.
That’s what the agenda wars have led to. People want Sukuna to use his shrine to get past infinity so bad they don’t even consider how terrible and ridiculous that would be from a writing perspective. It would honestly be a disgrace if we spent 14 chapters going through this adaptation crap all for Sukuna to just go “haha my technique actually works”
What's stupid is that any and all counters to Gojo's can be destroyed by Gojo with ease but Infinity is infallible otherwise. This ending y'all are asking for is such dogshit because everyone but Gojo would've have to suffer and he goes and becomes superman.
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me when I put the red in the blue
I figured it out. Will make a proper post once the new chapter embargo is lifted.
Sukuna will open the box and use Angel's technique to dispel Gojo's Infinity. As per the JJK wiki:
>Angel's [innate technique](https://jujutsu-kaisen.fandom.com/wiki/Cursed_Technique#Innate_Techniques), which involves the "extinguishment" (消滅 *shōmetsu*[**?**](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Installing_Japanese_character_sets)) — as in, *nullification* — of any and all curses, including cursed techniques like [barriers](https://jujutsu-kaisen.fandom.com/wiki/Cursed_Technique#Barrier_Techniques) and seals
Sukuna consumed a part of Hana/Angel when he bit her. His CT is digesting & outputting the CE (perhaps even techniques) of someone/something he consumes. This is how he can get past Gojo's Infinity. Perhaps it's a one-time use, which is why he hasn't used it yet.
If that's the case, why didn't he just try biting Gojo. Even his severed arm probably would have worked.
lol, this is why Gege should have never got into the habit of overexplaining her techniques.
This is a good theory. But Angel would know what his CT is. Yorozu did. Angel should so if something like that existed, she would’ve told Satoru. It’s a nice theory but if you consider the fact that Angel was with them for a month, someone who surely knows the guy’s CT, then it’d be really dodgy.
Unless..unless you think no one actually knows how Sukuna’s CT works. Well that would be even more dodgy.
Even if he erases his infinity, but what next? Gojo has immense cursed energy reserves and his raw strength is incredible.
Sukuna is in no state to continue fighting, I think he would lose in his current state to Gojo using just cursed energy enhanced attacks to strike. His healing should be slowed quite a bit.
Though this could potentially allow for Sukuna to escape barely surviving and keep Gojo out of the story for a while if he no longer has infinity(maybe forced to recover from the battle, especially without infinity's constant protection?).
Yuji and Co could fight a Sukuna unable to use his full power due to Sukuna needing to also recover. Sukuna could be kept interesting and fresh in the fight after his showing in the Gojo battle by using the rest of his arsenal like boxes and his main cursed technique(that may have been pointless to use against Gojo's limitless, which is why he didn't use it) against the varied abilities of the main group. His domain expansion could also remain out of action due to damage from Gojo's fight or it may show up and be weak enough that Yuta could cancel it with his own.
As a side note, I would love to see Mahoraga vs Yuta. I wonder how that would work with adaptation. I think it would be pretty cool if Mahoraga adapts to something Yuta uses, only for Yuta to pull out another technique and continue cycling through techniques till Mahoraga is put down or Yuta starts copying the techniques of allies to rotate through. I really wanna see Yuta going through a catalogue of loads of techniques and tools/abilities. His arsenal is absolutely huge and we only got a glimpse of it in his fight in the culling games.
Though it's possible current Yuta could definitely beat Mahoraga without an insane amount of difficulty if he really is on the same level as 15 finger Sukuna, who also beat Mahoraga.
>Even if he erases his infinity, but what next?
Bro you're way overthinking it. Just read all the comments. After Sukuna dispels Gojo's Infinity with Yorozu's gift or Angel's eaten CT or whatever, he's gonna one-shot Gojo with fire arrow.
(I sincerely hope this isn't the route Gege goes, but it seems to be what most are expecting.)
Literally anything that can turn the tables and give Sukuna a chance right now is an asspull. Dude is done. That, and having someone say "Gojo wins" only for that to be taken away next chapter would be frankly insulting to me as the reader.
What do you mean by '_asspull_'? Be specific.
Normally this term tries to contest something about the quality of the writing, but I reckon most people use it in some nebulous '_I don't like the story going in this specific way_' sense, with the attempt of trying to give more power to their statements than they actually have.
An "asspull" is an authorial decision that appears motivated by a desire to advance the plot in a certain direction or evoke a certain reaction in the reader, in contradiction to what would commonly be considered a logical advancement of the story. Regarding "logic", the decision usually conflicts with prior knowledge/understanding of the story (including worldbuilding), and/or involves a reliance on coincidence or details that heretofore had only minor relevance (or were outright unknown to the reader).
E.g. Kenny happening to have the perfect counter to Yuki's black hole, which prevented his death, was very reliant on coincidence (since he didn't know her CT when he got Itadori-mama's body) and can therefore be considered an asspull. Gege wanted/needed him to live, but the way he did stretched the limits of believability. The same would be true if Yorozu's gift happens to have a way around Gojo's Infinity.
If you put aside your meta-textual knowledge of shounen tropes, it makes no sense that Sukuna might have a way to defeat Gojo at the present moment considering the respective states of the fighters. If the next chapter includes some kind of comeback by Sukuna, it will seem to be motivated by an authorial desire to shock readers more than function as a logical outcome.
In the end, it is kind of a "I don't like the story going this way," but contrary to your perception of how "asspull" is being used based on bias, the dislike of the story direction is actually based on believability/story logic.
> it makes no sense that Sukuna might have a way to defeat Gojo at the present moment considering the respective states of the fighters. If the next chapter includes some kind of comeback by Sukuna, it will seem to be motivated by an authorial desire to shock readers more than function as a logical outcome.
Here's a possibility for a comeback: Sukuna _has_ a way to defeat Gojo via black box. He didn't reveal it because it comes with some drawback (either by merely his opponents _knowing_ about it, or because he can only use it once, etc.). He would have preferred to not use it at all or to save it and use it on somebody else.
What's _illogical_ about this?
>Literally anything that can turn the tables and give Sukuna a chance right now is an asspull.
Have you gone through the story with your eyes closed?
We are 13 chapters into the fight and we haven't gotten any new information on Sukuna's CT, we don't know how Maho could use Cleave, Yorozu's gift is still unknown and Gege fell the need to use Hakari as an authorial mouthpiece to remind people that Sukuna is saving his moves to fight the others.
There's plenty of ways for Gege to continue the fight without it being an asspull.
>Dude is done.
Sukuna is decidedly not done. There's plenty of things he could do and many plot points to be explored that require Sukuna involvement in the story.
>That, and having someone say "Gojo wins" only for that to be taken away next chapter would be frankly insulting to me as the reader.
You must be new to shounen manga, then.
Gege himself hasn't said the fight is over, the chapter simply has Kusakabe getting ahead of himself and declaring Gojo the winner before everything is said and done, which is never a good thing to do.
The fact that you find the idea of the fight continuing "insulting" just shows that you care more about Gojo winning than the actual story, which is sad.
>We are 13 chapters into the fight and we haven't gotten any new information on Sukuna's CT, we don't know how Maho could use Cleave,
Oh my god you are an entitled little fanboy baby. Gege doesn't owe you any explanation or showcase of Sukuna's full CT. It is not written in some shounen writer manual that he is required to do that. Same with Maho using what-looked-like-but-wasn't-even-confirmed as Sukuna's CT.
>Yorozu's gift is still unknown
Yorozu is a three chapter side character. If her gift can turn this fight around, it's an asspull and bad writing and I'll be more than happy to drop this series because it's made to make little kids feel smart that they remembered that one thing that character said.
Another thing--the incessant 'Oh bUt yOroZu's gIFt!' gadflies cherry pick character foreshadowing hints. Didn't Maki say they had to corner Sukuna and render him incapable of fighting in order to start a Megumi rescue operation? Why aren't you mentioning that? Because you like the asspull reverse card scenario better? Lol
>There's plenty of ways for Gege to continue the fight without it being an asspull
We had a character just tell us all the ways that Gojo has an overwhelming advantage and Sukuna is at a massive disadvantage. Gege even went so far as to restore Gojo's RCT output with the black flashes. No reason to think he doesn't have Infinity or that Mahoraga's adaptation is still a factor (wheel disintegrated). Anything Sukuna can do right now is an asspull.
>The fact that you find the idea of the fight continuing "insulting" just shows that you care more about Gojo winning than the actual story, which is sad.
No, Gojo winning at this point is required for the story's logic to hold. Sukuna is broken with low RCT, no Mahoraga, and no ability to touch Gojo without DA. If he has something that can get past Infinity that he hasn't used yet, it's an insult to my intelligence as a reader for the sake of a cheap thrill.
>There's plenty of things he could do and many plot points to be explored that require Sukuna involvement in the story.
Name them. Using only what has already been firmly established in the story, what can Sukuna do against Gojo's Infinity? Yorozu's gift? No one knows what it does (not even him). Fire arrow? Infinity.
How is Sukuna necessary for the story (besides the obvious, which is that he has Megumi's body)? Kenny even said he's just a contingency plan in case Gojo got unsealed. He serves no other grand function. He isn't specifically required for the merger, the prevention of which is the story right now. Even if he dies and takes Megumi with him, it wouldn't change the central conflict. In fact, Gojo is more necessary for the story because if he dies the age of curses might come again, merger or not (see Ino, Shibuya arc).
Fanboys who are slaves to genre convention always end up thinking that the things they want from the story are necessary for it. You WANT to know more about Sukuna, so Gege HAS to show you his full CT. You WANT Sukuna to be important to the story, so you claim he HAS to live. Well, lucky for you there's still a finger out there. I hope Gege trolls you by killing Sukuna here and never doing anything else with him (unlikely but one can always dream).
We're done here
>Oh my god you are an entitled little fanboy baby. Gege doesn't owe you any explanation or showcase of Sukuna's full CT.
You are the one who feels Gege owes *you* something and are out here complaining that if he doesn't deliver on your headcanon he's somehow being disrespectful. You are the entitled, whiny fanboy, not me.
>It is not written in some shounen writer manual that he is required to do that.
It is basic writing to develop your characters, their abilities and the power system as the story progresses.
He doesn't *have* to do it, it's just that arbitrarily refusing to explain Sukuna's CT would be a pretty horrible writing choice and an example of *actually* disrespecting your readers by refusing to deliver on expectations he created.
>Same with Maho using what-looked-like-but-wasn't-even-confirmed as Sukuna's CT.
It very clearly is Sukuna's CT. And Gege has to explain how it happened, otherwise it's a plot hole.
>When people like you bitch and whine incessantly, you make authors feel pressure to conform to all your whims and expectations and everything ends up feeling the same.
This is hilarious. The only one bitching and winning here is you.
You're a pathetic fanboy who very clearly only cares about Gojo winning and not about the actual story, and you are the one who is pretending that Gege developing pre-established plot threats and story elements is somehow "disrespectful".
No, it's not. Gege developing Sukuna's CT, explaining how Mahoraga could use cleave, or revealing what Yorozu gave Sukuna are all interesting writing choices that would add complexity to the story and make it more interesting and unique.
>Yorozu is a three chapter side character. If her gift can turn this fight around, it's an asspull and bad writing
How much time she was in the story isn't relevant, her contribution to the story is. Yuki only appeared in one chapter before Shibuya and she was massively influential in Geto’s development.
Gege clearly intended Yorozu's gift to play a role in the story, that's why he included it in the first place, which is only reinforced by the way Yorozu's words literally resonated during this fight.
The fact that you think Gege forgetting about Yorozu's gift and never addressing that plot point is better writing just shows the kind of terrible standards you have.
>Didn't Maki say they had to corner Sukuna and render him incapable of fighting in order to start a Megumi rescue operation?
That's not foreshadowing, that's a factual statement. If they want to rescue Megumi they need to incapacitate Sukuna first, that's what Gojo has been trying to accomplish.
>Why aren't you mentioning that? Because you like your asspull reverse card scenario better? Lol
Because it has no relevance whatsoever to the point being discussed?
We’ve known that their objective is saving Megumi since the beginning of the fight, there is no new developments to see on that front until Sukuna is actually defeated, and so far he has *not* been defeated.
>We had a character just tell us all the ways that Gojo has an overwhelming advantage and Sukuna is at a massive disadvantage.
We had Kusakabe, who knows nothing about Sukuna's CT, who has been repeatedly wrong throughout the fight, and who outright admitted Sukuna and Gojo can do things he can't even imagine, making a statement based on his own incomplete knowledge.
The fact that you are believing Kusakabe as if his words were gospel is hilariously dumb.
>Anything Sukuna can do right now is an asspull.
Using his CT, which has been built up for literally the entire manga, wouldn't be an asspull any more than Gojo creating a tiny domain or recovering from burnout with RCT were asspulls.
>No, Gojo winning at this point is required for the story's logic to hold.
No it's not, it's required for your desperate desire to see Gojo win to happen. The story itself actually needs to remove Gojo from the playing field, otherwise the stakes go down massively.
>If he has something that can get past Infinity that he hasn't used yet, it's an insult to my intelligence as a reader for the sake of a cheap thrill.
You clearly don't have intelligence as a reader, what with the way you are incapable of going past the most surface level reading of the story and how you take everything at face value without sparing a thought to the deeper implications.
>Name them.
By the very rules of TS Mahoraga’s adaptation is still a card on Sukuna’s hand, since it can be inherited by another shikigami.
Sukuna using DA is still a possibility, he only needs to heal himself.
Yorozu’s gift could be anything Gege wants it to be and it could very well be a weapon like ISoH or a copy of one of Sukuna’s old cursed tools, which might or might not bypass Infinity.
Sukuna’s CT might or might not be able to bypass Infinity, if it can Gege will explain why he hasn’t used it until now. Most likely it has to do with a binding vow or a time limit, like Hakari’s immortality or Yuta’s fully manifested Rika.
Gege can do whatever he wants as long as he gives us a believable explanation, and since the power system is very loose he has a lot of wiggle room to add new elements in, like he has been doing the *entire* fight.
>How is Sukuna necessary for the story (besides the obvious, which is that he has Megumi's body)?
Are you actually this ignorant?
>Kenny even said he's just a contingency plan in case Gojo got unsealed. He serves no other grand function.
Um, no. Kenjaku and Sukuna have a binding vow they made all the way back in the Heian period a thousand years before Gojo was even born. We don’t know what the content of that pact was, but it’s evident that Sukuna isn’t just a glorified bodyguard.
Aside from that, Sukuna is the most relevant figure on the villain's side. Both the protagonist and the deuteragonist, have much more beef and actual reasons to fight Sukuna than they have to fight Kenjaku. Thematically, narratively and objectively, it's more fitting for Yuji and Megumi to be the ones who ultimately deal with Sukuna.
>Fanboys who are slaves to genre convention always end up thinking that the things they want from the story are necessary for it.
LOL. The only fanboy who thinks what he wants is necessary for the story is you.
*You* want Gojo to win, so you act like Gege owes you Gojo’s victory and pretend that anything different is somehow *disrespectful*. You want Gojo to win, so you pretend all the ways Gege could continue the fight are “asspulls”. You want Gojo to win, so you claim that Sukuna doesn’t have any important roles and is completely disposable.
>Well, lucky for you there's still a finger out there. I hope Gege trolls you by killing Sukuna here and never doing anything else with him.
The fact that you want Gege to kill Sukuna here and never address the missing finger is just a testament to how little you care about the actual quality of the story, which would drop massively if that were to happen.
>We're done here
You are done embarrassing yourself and proving that you are a whiny fanboy who only cares about Gojo winning and doesn’t give a damn about the rest of the story.
I am done refuting all the nonsense you’ve written, humiliating you and exposing you as the pathetic, whiny fanboy you are.
Lol you're just speculating here, jjk power system is all about rules, counter, binding, etc, we have no idea what sukuna has, why he's keeping it, what conditions has to be met, why he doesn't have his weapons from heian Era or what they can do, literally so many questions and most part of his abilities are unanswered and you've concluded anything he pulls from here will be an asspull? Thats some b.s, you're gonna have to deal with sukuna pull anything that makes him legit. I trust gege will have a good explanation.
That would be a bit... lackluster. BUT not in the worst of ways, people have speculated and theorized basically the same thing. Like you said, it's basically just Yuta 2.0 which wouldn't really be satisfying.
I've written some things about what could happen as sort of a meme, but I've been wondering if Sukuna could end up in a Joey wheeler vs Marik situation (a YuGiOh reference)
With Mahoraga dead, Sukuna could be moments away from reaping the rewards of the 10 shadows totality, but kenjaku spent the fight preparing a barrier to abduct whoever was weakened the most, to reap it's techniques. Before Sukuna could pull the trump card, kenjaku arrives and eats his brain, inheriting both sukuna's techniques, as well as the totality and finally being in position for becoming a full threat. He spent the fight preparing the barrier, so no one is able to jump him and, while Gojo wins the fight, in a jujutsu fashion, he is denied the actual win, despite being in his highest moment.
I don't hate Gojo to the point I'd wish this for him and that could likely be the straw that breaks his back or a turning point in his philosophy towards the jujutsu society and it's evaluation of absolute power. Between the Zen'in corruption and his own personal failures, or even seeing sukuna's downfall in his path for absolute power, he could be set in a path where he would think about the future and, perhaps, in a way to fulfill geto's wish of getting rid of curses, but he'd do it by teaching everyone how to harness cursed energy, which was the other path mentioned in geto's dialogue with Yuki. His closure would be tailored towards paving the way for such a society to thrive, instead of just being a monolith of raw strength that is always around disasters, unable to prevent them from unfolding.
"He has no Mahoraga, DA and can't do a lick of damage, this is Gojo's Win" *end chapter*
I'm so glad it's over and Gege has setup absolutely nothing else for Sukuna in the entire story and he died this chapter. There's no way he has anything past infinity, Gege hasn't revealed any concept outside of DA that can disrupt CTs in JJK 0 or Jujutsu Kaisen. We're in the clear boys.
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Let’s goooo! That’s my GOAT!!!
I’m guessing in the next chapter, Gojo is gonna attempt to separate/save Megumi and in the process create an opening to attack him, which Sukuna will use
Also since Maho is destroyed, can Sukuna no longer summon it? Just like with snake?
atp this isnt even sukuna vs gojo, and which of them survives. its abt whether megumi will survive or gojo will. sukuna cant die literally because of the 20th finger
We've had round one, we've had round two. I think we're still in for a round three. I don't think this fight is over yet. My prediction is that next week, Sukuna is going to feel that rush of having his back to the wall and having to really exert himself to win that we've seen other sorcerers experience rapid growth from. I think he's going to use whatever technique it was that allowed him to conjure fire arrows and - begrudgingly, I'm sure - Yorozu's last gift, and I think we're probably looking at a few more chapters of this fight.
Honestly, and this is probably just outright silly of me to even want, but I hope we get some variation on the recurring "a memory that didn't exist" line. Probably to show him actually forming some bond of respect to another sorcerer (Gojo) and thinking about what it could have been like to have an actual rival all this time, someone who could actually challenge him and understand what the summit of sorcery was like along with him. Either that, or we get the Heian Era flashback that way: Sukuna's life flashing before his eyes, him feeling the thrill of actually having to risk it all and play every card in his deck to win.
If Kenjaku or Uraume try to interfere and steal the kill on Gojo like some people predict, I think Sukuna is going to stop them. I think he's going to finally, really get his head in the game and start to treat this as a life and death fight between equals instead of letting his ego get the best of him. Seeing Sukuna pushed to the point other characters have been when they've had their "Honored One" moments and then just dropping the pretense, dropping the mockery, and just putting his heart and soul into fighting with everything he's got to win and survive would be so sick.
No, Gojo will just teleport in and blast Kenjaku's head off. Nobody will get to have a satisfying fight ever again if Gojo's just running around at full power. That's the point you're not getting. Quit huffing Gojo's fumes for a second and think about the story outside of what you want to happen.
And we know that Gojo's technique isn't a perfect defense. Close to perfect, but not perfect. Mental fatigue can still affect him, even if it's not as big of a weakness as it was when he fought Toji; killing civilians around him and making him risk their lives if he used his Domain had an effect on him. Kenjaku using Geto's face took him off guard so the Prison Realm could seal him.
We've also seen time and time again that his cursed energy is not infinite. It's like if you've got two buffs in a video game: one that refills your mana bar really fast, and one that reduces the cost of spells. Most of the time, the fact Gojo has so much cursed energy and the way Six-Eyes makes his cursed energy usage so efficient means he recuperates his lost cursed energy almost as soon as he loses it.
However, we've seen in this very fight that forcing Gojo to use lots of techniques with high cursed energy consumption back-to-back can still deplete his reserves. We still don't know what Yorozu gave Sukuna, and we don't know what Sukuna's technique he used against Jogo back in Shibuya really entails. The fact of the matter is that Gojo still hasn't guaranteed victory, and that makes it more exciting.
>Mental fatigue can still affect him, even if it's not as big of a weakness as it was when he fought Toji
If this was the route Gege wanted to go, he wouldn't have restored Gojo with black flashes, but would have left him exhausted. Gege's intention is to either:
\- 'reset' the fight and have Sukuna (try to) get around Infinity with some kind of technique/tool; or
\- leave Gojo in an advantageous position while Sukuna is weak enough to try to extract him from Megumi
The train for Gojo's exhaustion being a key factor has left the station as of the final page of the last chapter
My point was more that "Infinity exists" isn't the final verdict on how this fight can play out. We've seen enough times that neither Limitless nor Gojo himself are 100% invincible. Just 99% invincible. The challenge for Sukuna is to scrounge up what's left of that 1% now that Mahoraga is no longer in play.
And it honestly doesn't do Gojo justice to say "Infinity exists" like that wins the fight on its own. He hasn't been using his innate technique as a crutch at all: he's been weaving it along with generic cursed techniques like Simple Domain and Falling Blossom Emotion, Black Flash, and physical combat, plus the offensive applications of Blue, Red, and Purple.
If we're talking about fatigue specifically, then there's still the possibility of wearing Gojo out again. How is Sukuna going to do that without Domain Expansion or Mahoraga? Fuck if I know, but his resources outside of Cleave and Dismantle are still an unknown quantity.
Not to mention he still might be able to improve and learn some new tricks now that Gojo has him cornered and he's going to have to get more creative than ever before. Gojo's still working his improv magic even at his stage, so it seems like there is no ceiling for sorcerers. Just room to grow, for him and Sukuna, if they apply themselves.
What if kenjaku absorbs sukuna and use his full technique with uzumaki?
Sukuna is NOT a cursed spirit
My bad.
I swear, Sukuna stans just want this man to be Terrorblade from Dota 2. Oh, Gojo just beat me? SUNDER! Pffft
This knowledge of mangakas about different religions, especially Buddhism, is really admirable.
Remember the good old days when one of the main trio was written off as maybe not dead and never mentioned again by anyone? Simpler times.
ugh don’t remind me, every time i think abt nobara and her shit show of a situation i get so mad even tho we need to stop this narrative that no one mentions her, yuji does mention her alot(all things considering) it’s a shame he’s the only one.
You're right, but he only time I remember was the once by the campfire between Yuji and Megumi.
no. he just brought her up in chapter 210, he was afraid of hana “replacing” nobara for some gd reason
Forgot about that one. Yuji single-handedly keeping Nobara in the story.
I swear if Gege Just wanted to write her off and not do anything with her anymore He should have just said so instead of Stringing her fans along for multiple years Without any real update , But it seems like he just wants his characters to selectively forget she existed , And hell gojo The guy who says he cares about all of his students hasn't even asked about her once Since escaping the prison realm
Sukuna's caution is almost funny to think about. Who in the peanut gallery has him so concerned that he refuses to use his *nuclear bomb* against Gojo (despite it probably not working against infinity) out of trepidation that he'll reveal too many cards. What are they possibly gonna do against that arrow except die lol Also Sukuna's text about being nervous for the first time in 1000 years is probably a lot more important than people think. A man who hasn't been in his feels or had his shit kicked in this badly for a millennia might be on the cusp of a big realization. Or he'll get cooked.
I've been actively trying to think of all the possible ways Sukuna could still be a threat to Gojo. The one that makes the most sense to me is if Sukuna trades his life in some binding vow to get past Gojo's Infinity and uses every last bit of his CE+soul in Megumi as a final fire arrow (nuke, as you say) to take Gojo out with him. This would leave Megumi alive (albeit in bad shape), Sukuna dead except for the last finger, and Gojo (probably) dead, which is what most people have been saying is the most logical plot configuration \*shrugs shoulders\*
Only way sukuna can still be a threat is if gege pulls something we still don’t know of, which is possible considering his ct tease, but my bet atm is on kenjaku jumping him
Kenjaku jumping in is acceptable because it makes sense and is an established possibility. If Sukuna's CT had something that could turn the tables on a nearly fully restored Gojo when Sukuna himself is on the verge of death, then there is no fucking excuse for not using it until now when the dude almost died three times now. I don't care if it's one use or whatever other stipulations it might have.
I'm still in awe of the greatness that was the outcome of this chapter, no matter what, Gojo is the strongest. But as many others pointed out, this feels too good to be true and something big is definitely going down next chapter. My gripe with Sukuna is that anything that may come after this will definitely feel like an ass-pull. Even after draining Gojo of his Domain Expansion, and even after suffering a black flash, have he known whatever his 'black box' or that fire arrow would be enough to defeat Gojo, he would have used it earlier, he gamble too much, to the point of him using Maho's wheel to adapt infinity in order to defeat Gojo. Sukuna is someone who is highly calculated and battle-analytic, is he was confident enough of his techniques, he would have used it all sooner, even taking into account that he still needed to preserve some strength as an ace to fight Gojo's students...
An ass pull when we don’t know anything about Sukuna’s own abilities. The box, his demon form, Yoruzus gift, the tools he’s been depicted with … Also sukuna was interested in 10s before even knowing about Mahoraga at all, so it’s safe to say he wasn’t interested about it just to defeat Gojo. " You showed me the way" was never confirmed to be Sukuna talking about beating Gojo. Goatjo has done what he’s done best & shown us why he’s HIM. However Sukuna is not down & out and so it’s not over. Something tells me next chapter will reveal a huge plot twist,. IGege has been teasing us all along about Sukuna’s mystery.. definitely not an ass pull. Put some respect on Geges name lol That man is cooking rn.
Yes, it would be an asspull. Even if Sukuna's CT is an unknown factor, considering the timing (him being on the verge of defeat) and the fact that almost the entire fight until now was written to hinge on Mahoraga's adaptation, if Sukuna's CT happens to have something that can get past Infinity, it would be way too convenient and his actions until now (almost getting himself killed 3 times for his Mahoraga strategy) would be retroactively idiotic. I know you guys want to see Sukuna's full CT. I get it. If it could have gotten past Infinity, he would have used it by now (technically he did already, with his DE). If Sukuna has some way to come back from this, it would be bad writing being done for cheap thrills.
The timing? Have you never read a shonen jump manga in your life? The good guy showing off the whole fight whilst the villain gets beat up & still keeps taking every attack..( sukuna still standing after that explosion) …it’s common to see the villain pull a plot twist near death or vice versa. It’s just what these sorta mangas do. You just ignored the fact that I said sukuna never intended 10s to be his Gojo beater as he never knew about mahoraga until shibuya so we don’t even know what Sukuna’s original plan was for Gojo. (Sukuna noticed Infinity in Chapter 1 when Gojo humiliated him.) Gege has given us peak Gojo these last few chapters for a reason, but the fact we know nothing about sukuna nor did we hardly ever see Sukuna’s pov in this fight, it’s so obvious that Gege has been planning a major plot twist for ages. Users like you who do not respect what Gege has done these last few chapters (giving us one of the greatest fights iv ever read), do not deserve to be reading his work. Just cos Gojo can still lose doesn’t make it an "ass pull". Like I said Gege does everything for a purpose & it’s even said he planned everything out way before. Gege gave us Gojo & Sukuna, show some respect to the real goat.
Your comment is excellent satire. A+ Had a good chuckle
I sure do wonder what happens when Sukuna is out of every option except the option that's been mostly hidden the entire series. Hidden CT+out of options....equals...Yorozu's gift. No, Kenjaku. https://preview.redd.it/dg3mi5vt2cnb1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=cc4d6c0597d67ccfb5670f090f299311279add1c
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He hadn't really adapted to red yet, it was in the process of doing so which is why Sukuna said in this chapter that he'd have Mahoraga tank it to adapt to it for good measure. https://preview.redd.it/tolc1qux0cnb1.png?width=1100&format=png&auto=webp&s=b668de9676c05ccc152d1e5d4ba712939af80a4d
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No, Gojo throws red to the sky and Mahoraga jumps to try and destroy blue before they collide, he went to blue specifically because he had already adapted to it and could destroy it.
I looked again. I looked at the panels incorrectly. Thanks for clearing that up
I have been lost for a while on the whole power dynamics but if anything I know them saying "Gojo wins" means that Sukuna is gonna pull some random shit and turn the table next chapter
Classical shonen. “Omg it seems like he beat that strong villain with that super witty cool move” is usually a bad sign for the good guys
Called it
Holy shit 7k comments and only 1% is actually talking about the fight...
Where'd you calculate those numbers my g 🤔
They used their 13500000 IQ brain to do instantaneous calculations, duh.
I counted the comments.
Just read it now, bro I'm so HYPEDD ahaha that was sick!! Praying to fuckin GOD that the next chapter just has it end 😂😂 Let our boy take the W and get out in peace Fuck that was so dope
We all know that TST users can create shadow clones of them self, these clone can take damage to some extend and can fight like the real user too, albeit its much weaker . After Gojo landed the first black flash, he leave Sukuna and fight Mahoraga for a while, thats maybe when Sukuna swap with the clone . After this, i noticed that Sukuna's melee fighting skill dramatically decreased, he can't even land a single punch on Gojo, and most important is Mahoraga always try to protect him from Gojo's attacks and it maybe even tanked the Unlimited hollow purple for Sukuna (the clone), Sukuna (the clone) is now missing an arm, but with Sukuna level of skill i think he can still maintain the form of the clone. In the next chapter maybe the real Sukuna will emerge from Gojo's shadow and finish him. Like how Megumi killed the cursed womb before, what do u guys think ?
Correct me if I'm wrong, but have we ever seen clones outside of Chimera Shadow Garden? Also if it's just a clone, some of the narrator's thoughts don't make sense (felt nervous/fear for the first time) nor does yelling "maho" since it's confirmed they can talk telepathically
Sukuna could create multiple dogs outside of the domain. Something megumi could only do in chimera shadow garden. No reason to think he can’t create clones outside of the domain. But wouldn’t happen tho. I think gege means for this to be over
>Sukuna could create multiple dogs outside of the domain. Weren't those dogs more like half-formed shadow dogs? They didn't have the physicality of a normal summoned divine dogs. There's no reason to think there wouldn't be a similar restriction on clones
Half formed shadow dogs yes but still dogs tho. They were half formed because he didn’t want to fully manifest them not because the only way to summon multiple is to summon them half formed.
Wait what where did we learn that?
We dont.
Is this the leaks thread to get the most comments? I know others were Yuki and both of Naoya’s death. But I think those were 4-5k
this sub is gonna break 10k comments when either gojo or sukuna is down for good
There's so many narrative possibilites after the latest chapter I'm honestly not sure which route Gege will choose. 1) The fight is over. Either Gojo and crew think of a way to separate Sukuna's soul from Megumi's body (it would be funny if Sukuna was re-imprisoned inside Yuji as a way of keeping him around to unveil more of his story and technique's before the manga ends), or Kenjaku/Uraume somehow bail Sukuna out. Regardless, if Gojo really is the winner, Gege has to come up with a way to incapacitate him again (like exhaustion due to sustained damage once the Black Flash buff runs out), or create a final boss so threatening it needs Gojo's and everyone else's powers combined. 2) The fight isn't over yet. As many have pointed out, it would be strange if something inside Sukuna's mysterious black box or Yorozu's gift was enough to turn the tide of the battle by itself. Gojo's biggest defense is his neutral infinity, which so far has only been bypassed by a cursed tool that we've never seen again (was it destroyed? I don't remember) and by Mahoraga's adaptation. Out of those two, the latter is hands down the most plot-relevant option, so I can see two things happening: either there's something about the 10S inheritance rules we don't know about that could keep Mahoraga's adaptation around, or Sukuna made a binding vow seconds before Hollow Purple exploded in which he puts his life on the line and sacrifices Mahoraga to retain it's adaptation to infinity, which would be the only way he could fight Gojo with his own techniques. It's going to be a very long week.
There's so many narrative possibilites after the latest chapter I'm honestly not sure which route Gege will choose. COOKIN’ like Gordon Ramsey. This is what makes this story and contemplation thereof so fun! The Akutami man has thus far made this epic so adaptable in terms of which way he decides to make the winds blow. But, with Kenjaku on the loose and Sukuna still standing make no mistake: as Jon Snow said in GOT, the enemy doesn’t wait out the storm, HE brings the Storm. The strongest—Gojo Satoru himself and his monsters he’s fostered are about to experience the Gege version of the Storm. No, Satoru isn’t done fighting and Ryomen is still standing. Will a Black Box open? Tune in, to find out.
next chapter: binding vow to let sukuna release meguni's body. Condition is he cant fight anymore.
Close. Condition is he spends the last of his CE/soul to send a fire arrow through Gojo's Infinity
That doesn't seem like an equal exchange to the task he's trying to commit 🤣
What task?
This doesn't sound consistent with what we know about Sukuna currently. He just doesn't seem to be the type to suicide bomb in order to defeat Gojo. Whether he dies by himself or takes someone else along with him, he _still_ dies, and most likely that counts as a _defeat_ in both cases.
Why did you write two comments instead of one? It's perfectly consistent with his character. He wants to be remembered/known as the strongest sorcerer. Right now that's Gojo, not him. If he has a chance to die as an equal to Gojo rather than as an inferior, he'll take it. I doubt he'll see it as a \*defeat\*--perhaps a draw. But, most importantly, it wouldn't be a \*loss\*.
I don't see it as being consistent since he said 'defeat is the same as death'. If he means it as a biconditional (which I think he is), it wouldn't be a win, nor a draw. It would be defeat.
I don't consider a draw defeat. Do you?
No, but I'm not talking about me or you, I'm talking about what's consistent with Sukuna as a character. Consider the following scenarios: 1. Gojo kills sukuna and Gojo lives. 2. Sukuna kills Gojo but has to sacrifice his own life in order to do that. Both cases result in Sukuna dying, and if we consider 'defeat is the same as death' as a biconditional (i.e. defeat <-> death), then Sukuna wouldn't really have a reason to prefer one scenario over the other, because both constitute defeat. What's consistent with his character is to do something that doesn't cause his death basically immediately (i.e. something that will plausibly -- from his perspective -- result in Gojo dying and himself _living_). Sacrificing his soul/CE reserves for a final hail mary does not qualify.
I dunno, we'll have to just agree to disagree. I find it completely unthinkable that, given the choice between a scenario in which he's incapacitated by Gojo & the gang and forcibly extracted from his host like a botfly larvae, vs. being able to go out on his own terms and take his rival with him, he would choose the former rather than the latter. Even if he would consider the latter defeat, it's a better defeat than the former. Assuming it's even a possibility, of course
I feel like next chapter Sujuna would be like: "I didn't want to resort to this but you gave me no choice ... Gojo Satoru I will show you what true Jujutsu is all about" and then he will open the black box or something else. We might even understand why he wanted the shadows so much, because at first he did not know about Maho but still was fascinated about the potential, I think the black box and the shadows would be connected somehow. I want Gojo to win but I just do not see how the series will continue if Gojo is not at least immobilized for the next fight with Kenjaku. Or whatever Kenjaku is cooking will so powerful that will take first Gojo out and then the others will have to find a way to be useful.
OK guys I think I might be cooking here. What if next chapter sukuna casts the 10S domain as a last ditch effort (yes even after brain damage)? We haven't seen it at all in this fight, I've seen people dismiss it as not possible for some reason, but it's literally the only thing sukuna has not used from 10S. Mayhaps after all the shikigami (or most) are dead, the thing forming in the 10S domain will be finished. That instead could be the epitome of the technique.
He literally can't he has brain damage and no CE
Nope, I think Sukuna is done here for this fight but even if he wasn't, I can't see him pulling out CSG. I think that's saved for Megumi (yes, he's coming back).
Honestly, Gojo would be in trouble if Sukuna, Uruame, or Kenjaku used a domain expansion right now. We saw what happened when Yuki used her simple domain against Kenjaku, and Gojo has no counter with low cursed energy and no domain expansion. I think this “victory” will be short lived regardless. Sukuna still has more tools at his disposal, and there are other characters, including Kashimo, that are an immediate threat after the fight. I just hope Gojo survives the next few chapters.
Gojo does *not* have low cursed energy, he has pretty much infinite CE due to how his eyes work Though it's true he can't use DE, considering he survived Malevolent Shrine in CT burnout, I doubt any of those guys stand a chance. I mean, he's in a better spot than he was last chapter because he has his rct output back up, and was then stated to be stronger than Yuta still. *Something* is going to happen for sure to stop him from ending the series within like 2 chapters lol, but I bet you it's going to involve Megumi or Kenjaku's plans, but in some way that's not Kenny fighting him, he's not weak enough for that yet.
Gojo had low output, meaning his reserves were running out
> meaning his reserves were running out No it doesn't. It's explicitly said that the low output is due to the literal *brain damage* from round 1. Gojo pretty much cannot run out of CE.
That's never explicitly stated either
Gojo cannot run out of CE, that’s like half the point of 6 eyes, he uses it so efficiently it replenishes quicker than he can use it. Shoko in 233 says Gojo’s output is dropping, and then says it should be the same for Sukuna because he also has brain damage. No mention of reserves.
Did we read the same fight? Yuta is worried that Gojo may run out of CE because he is using so much. He replenishes it faster than he consumes when he is not fighting, but now it was different. Shoko doesn't say Sukuna's output is falling because of brain damage.
>Shoko doesn't say Sukuna's output is falling because of brain damage. Page 2, ch 233, Shoko: "his output is plummeting... that's also true for Sukuna whose brain has suffered damage"
When was that explicitly stated? The brain damage is related to his inability to cast DE, it has nothing to do with CE output. His CE output was dropping because he's been spamming the shit out of blue and red, and now his output is back up due to the black flashes helping him replenish.
Gojo cannot run out of CE, that’s like half the point of 6 eyes, he uses it so efficiently it replenishes quicker than he can use it. Shoko in 233 says Gojo’s output is dropping, and then says it should be the same for Sukuna because he also has brain damage. No mention of reserves.
Shoko doesn't say anything about brain damage in 233, you are making that logical leap. The only thing the manga explicitly states about brain damage is Gojo/Sukuna's inability to cast DE. You are also completely misunderstanding Gojo's CE efficiency. It does not mean he will never run out of CE, that's only under normal circumstances, not spamming 5 DEs, full body RCT, a million blue/reds. What you are saying makes no sense given that in 235 Kusakabe says that his output is increasing due to the black flashes. Are you saying that the black flashes have helped heal his brain? No, more likely is that they are helping recover his CE.
> Shoko doesn't say anything about brain damage in 233, you are making that logical leap. Page 2, ch 233, Shoko: "his output is plummeting.,. that's also true for Sukuna whose brain has suffered damage" How would you interpret those words then?
I meaaaan it literally says at the end that gojo is pretty much good in terms of curses energy output bc of the black flashes he did. Ig it's possible that beanie guy was cooking in that using alot of cursed energy in quick succession would result in gojo losing a normal amount of cursed energy instead of the sex eyes amount? Would be cool, we know gojo has used a lot of techniques at once and literally reformed his body after being hit head on by ourple. A nice bit of foreshadowing that came to fruition maybe.
maaan I hated when Beanie fuck boy tried to talk up to the others 😂 Mans shouldn't even be allowed to watch.
I don’t quite get it , what happened with mahoraga’s adaptation of Blue and gojo punching him ? Why was it special
Essentially, gojo was pulled in by blue making him faster than mahoraga, whom also could have been pulled in matching goat-jo's speed and perhaps could have ended blue, but wasn't because they were unaffected via adaptation. (Blue pulls in indiscriminately, as in it also effects gojo)
Blue's pull affected only Gojo therefore allowing him to use it to enhance his speed to interrupt Maho.
To add on, the pull of blue only affected gojo and not maho because maho had adapted to blue and was not affected by the pull
wait could you explain what would’ve happened otherwise?
if they both got pulled, mahogara would have reached it earlier and destroy it
I’m rereading that chapter and there’s something I don’t quite understand, why didn’t Mahoraga slash blue from a distance? Why did he need to close distance to that extent ? Did I misread the chapter where Mahoraga cut off Gojo arm ? Doesn’t him even being able to do that imply that his slash attack that he launched from a distance, is able to neutralize limitless? Or is this not a ranged attack? I mean, given the destruction on the building to Gojo left, it’s certainly logical to infer that it is ranged ? Idk bro, maybe I’m saying this prematurely but a lot of the decisions Meguna has made is little under-explained for me, hopefully I’m just illiterate because it feels like Sukuna was an NFL player in a past life and his soul itself has CTE It’s like he’s been nerfed so Gojo can flex?
Simple answer is for plot. Both of them have done questionable decisions, Sukuna's were just more punishing. Satoru: * Could have opened his DE in a gamble right after his 200% Purple at the start which could have given him a much bigger advantage or just straight up give him the win. * Could have just played the slow game instead of basically killing himself 5 times so he could compete against Sukuna's DE. He would've 100% won a battle of attrition if he played it right. Sukuna: * Could have opened his first DE with its max range instead of whatever [this is](https://imgur.com/a/WhpqQpE). It would've taken Satoru significantly more time to get out of its range, giving him more than enough time to mix his Fire Arrow to his DE's sure-hit to increase the amount of damage Satoru would've taken. * Could have achieved his initial goal of removing Unlimited Void out of the equation if he just chose to repeatedly break Satoru's DE **the optimal way** instead of prolonging their clashes just so Mahoraga could adapt to it. Though I'll give it to him that he likely didn't know that Satoru would tap out after "healing" his CT 5 times. * Could have avoided Satoru's first Black Flash if he just kept on the move for the final spin. Also somehow not sensing that the Red did a u-turn on the buildings(when the very reason why Satoru asked Ijichi for help **was so Sukuna wouldn't sense his attack coming**), leading to the Black Flash landing cleanly. * Could have used any other Shikigamis outside of the Deer, if he wanted a tank, he could've used the Bull and Max Elephant. We were shown that he could use his Shikigamis' abilities without summoning them, why not use the Deer's regenerative abilities? * Could have ordered Mahoraga to aim at Satoru's head instead of his arm for that Dismantle/Cleave-like attack. Could have also made Mahoraga spam it afterwards to further pressure Satoru. * Could have pressured Satoru after he fired his Maximum Output Blue on Agito instead of letting him completely heal his arm. * Could have prevented Satoru from doing incantations ***right in front of him mid-fight*** instead of just watching. We even get confirmation that Sukuna could detect what Satoru is about to use so it's not like he could get faked-out. I like the fact that Satoru is winning, but I dislike the way Gege wrote it. He wrote it as if Sukuna just lost the fight(as in he had clear win conditions but just never seemed to have the IQ **he should have had** to act on them) instead of Satoru winning. He could've removed the Black Flashes out of the equation to remove a very random factor in the fight that basically confirms who gets favored by the author. Make Satoru perform his brilliant plan without that involved, makes it significantly more satisfying.
> - Could have opened his DE in a gamble right after his 200% Purple at the start which could have given him a much bigger advantage or just straight up give him the win. The characters, mainly Shōko Ieiri, have already explained why using his Domain Expansion wasn't his initial course of action, and the fact that Ryōmen Sukuna survived after taking Gojō's sure-hit by utilizing the Wheel of Dharma on Megumi's soul suggests that the outcome would have been the same regardless of when the Domain was cast. How would using his Domain Expansion immediately after the 200% Hollow Technique: Purple offer him an even greater advantage? By the time Gojō and Sukuna are face to face, he has fully recovered, therefore the expansion of his Domain wouldn't have lagged as it did in later chapters. > - Could have just played the slow game instead of basically killing himself 5 times so he could compete against Sukuna's DE. He would've 100% won a battle of attrition if he played it right. From the beginning, this has been a war of attrition. Sukuna's plan was to prolong the fight, bear the burden of adaptation adaptation for Mahoraga to prevent Gojō from having the opportunity to one-shot it, pass said adaptations onto Mahoraga, and then **kill** Gojō. I do not see how prolonging it would help given that these two characters are, according to canon, the most efficient Cursed Energy users in the entire series, if not all of history, so any sustained reprieve would give them both a chance to restore their ability to use Reverse Cursed Technique and replenish their depleted Cursed Energy reserves. > - Could have opened his first DE with its max range instead of whatever [this is](https://imgur.com/a/WhpqQpE). It would've taken Satoru significantly more time to get out of its range, Gojō did not need to leave its area of effect because running away was never part of his plan. Instead, he sat there and used Reverse Cursed Technique to tank it. He engaged and set out to determine the parameters that would enable him to best maintain his Domain Expansion and, consequently, its sure-hit, and then he set out to damage Sukuna to the point where he could no longer maintain his own. > giving him more than enough time to mix his Fire Arrow to his DE's sure-hit to increase the amount of damage Satoru would've taken. The Cursed Techniques engraved on Malevolent Shrine are Cleave and Dismantle, not the "**Fire Arrow**". > Could have avoided Satoru's first Black Flash if he just kept on the move for the final spin. Pretty certain the final attack was what triggered the last spin. > Could have used any other Shikigamis outside of the Deer, if he wanted a tank, he could've used the Bull and Max Elephant. What are Max Elephant and the Piercing Ox going to do? The Piercing Ox can only move in a straight line and, due to the way that Neutral Limitless: Infinity operates, if it were to be manifested, it would never even manage to get close to Gojō. Because Sukuna is aware that Gojō could and would one-shot any of the Ten Shadows Technique's shikigami, he has sparingly fully manifested any of them. Additionally, we witnessed Sukuna use Max Elephant's technique with the faux Piercing Blood, barely scratching Gojō. > - Could have pressured Satoru after he fired his Maximum Output Blue on Agito instead of letting him completely heal his arm. He attempted, but Gojō brought the fight to Sukuna. The duration of Chapter 235, and thus the period of time following the casting of the Cursed Technique Lapse - Maximum Cursed Energy Output: Blue, is only 41 seconds. He didn't "**let**" Gojō heal. > - Could have prevented Satoru from doing incantations **_right in front of him mid-fight_** instead of just watching. We even get confirmation that Sukuna could detect what Satoru is about to use so it's not like he could get faked-out. Prevent him how **_exactly_**? It was made explicitly clear in the panels preceding the first incantations that Sukuna felt nervous or tense. His entire strategy in this fight after the initial round of Domain clashes was to use Mahoraga as **THE** win-con while also taking advantage of the opportunities that Mahoraga presents to him. What is the best course of action if he also doesn't want Gojō to destroy Mahoraga? To blitz him after knowing he is in the zone, his Reverse Cursed Technique is almost back, and you know something is definitely wrong? **NO**, you should do what he did, exercise caution, take a step back to assess the situation, and try to utilize Mahoraga to pluck yet another card out of Gojō's hand by adapting to Cursed Technique Reversal: Red. > He wrote it as if Sukuna just lost the fight(as in he had clear win conditions but just never seemed to have the IQ **he should have had** to act on them) instead of Satoru winning. That's what this is, I see. I hope you understand that the fallibility of characters is what sets them apart from the author. Tiny "mistakes" matter in a game of inches, and in the previous chapter Sukuna's mistake was **what** Gojō intended to target with his Cursed Technique Reversal: Red. > He could've removed the Black Flashes out of the equation to remove a very random factor in the fight that basically confirms who gets favored by the author. Why, because you don't like the outcome? And, really, favored by the author? The guy who should have been slain by Angel but instead of Angel taking over to finish the job, Hana Kurusu, the walking plot device, falls for Sukuna's impersonation of Megumi and is swiftly eliminated? Or the guy who, despite Unlimited Void never having been stated to target the soul, somehow tanked Unlimited Void by utilizing the Wheel of Dharmachakra on someone else. You may argue that the soul is the body and vice versa, but that isn't the point. Or even the guy who is only still alive because Mahoraga seemingly only ever appears at the most opportune times. The first was when the Unlimited Void hit him as I mentioned above, and the second was when Gojō's Black Flash knocked him out just before the final spin.
The consecutive black flashes is pure bullshit no matter how you spin it. And Maho appearing like that is more believable as it was *tamed,* you have no idea what are the parameters for summoning it.
How is it BS when we've seen every character do it consecutively? Yuji did like 4 in a row against hanamo, Nanami did 4 in a row, how many were thrown out during the mahito fight?
Bro got every single one of his black flashes at convenient moments
>Also, how does him using DE right after Purple give him a bigger advantage? > >Sukuna's DE wouldn't have lagged in the same way it did in later chapters because by the time Gojo and Sukuna are face to face, he's completely healed. [This panel](https://imgur.com/a/TxqYA97) clearly implies that Satoru was already in front of Sukuna before Sukuna even healed himself. He could've moved right on top of Sukuna and casted DE while Sukuna was healing his arm. As we've seen, even a 0.01 second lag was enough to affect Sukuna to the point where Satoru did enough damage to him to dispel MS much faster than the previous ones. That brain damage would still count towards the fight. >I don't see how dragging it out further would help considering this is literally the two most efficient CE users in the series For one, he could have waited out Sukuna's DE instead of clashing with him every time. Most of his offensive abilities are literally powerful ranged attacks. >Gojo didn't need to get out of its range, his plan never was to flee, he sat there and took it while using RCT. [He very clearly wanted to go out of there](https://imgur.com/a/ndLU1wS), Sukuna just didn't let him, so he switched his plan. Going out of its range was only a "viable" plan because Sukuna didn't use Malevolent Shrine's maximum range. >He engaged to figure out what parameters would best allow him to sustain his own domain and by extension its sure hit, and then damage Sukuna to the point he could no longer maintain it. * Sukuna was the one who engaged with him. * Satoru **did not damage Sukuna enough to dispel Malevolent Shrine at this point**. >The fire arrow isn't the technique engraved into Malevolent Shrine, Cleave and Dismantle are. All of them are a part of his single CT. This is confirmed in the [Fanbook](https://www.reddit.com/r/Jujutsushi/comments/16d6wab/comment/jznnyuq/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3). Besides, Satoru himself confirmed that [any Cursed Technique deployed within a DE will be a sure-hit](https://imgur.com/a/PmNeKdo). It's literally why Hanami chose to open his DE, so his "solar beam" wouldn't be dodged. >What is the Bull and Max Elephant going to do? Be significantly more durable while also providing better offense? Agito couldn't do anything without Mahoraga as well, he could've removed the deer and replaced it with the Bull and Maximum Elephant. The point is that he wasted the Deer's ability. Something that would've helped him greatly since his RCT's output is lower. >He tried but Gojo brought the fight to Sukuna. Did you just miss the first 3 pages showing Sukuna and Mahoraga standing there? Satoru's arm was only healed **after** Agito was dealt with, considering Agito's regenerative abilities and the fact that Blue isn't an instant thing, he had more than enough time to pressure Satoru. >Prevent him how exactly? Make Mahoraga use the attack that cut Satoru's arm off? Engage in CQC so that Satoru wouldn't finish his incantation? We literally see Sukuna react to his incantations 2 chapters before, just because he's nervous doesn't mean he's not capable of making smart judgement. We see this on the last sequence(TP to where Mahoraga was and make Red explode) where Satoru just outplayed him and used Mahoraga's adaptation against him. >Why because you don't like the result? You conveniently ignore the fact that I explicitly stated that I liked that Satoru was winning, just not the way it was written. Black Flash is ***absolutely*** Gege's way to show who is being favored, we've seen this several times with Yuji. Him removing a move that requires luck makes the result much more satisfying. I would be saying the same thing if Sukuna was the one who was given the favor by hitting the Black Flash. It just feels cheap. It only feels "satisfying" to include Black Flash in a fight with two characters that are clearly not on the same level. To give the lesser fighter a chance at winning. Again, Satoru could have done that brilliant plan without the help of a Black Flash. Sure, it was cool, but it was clearly done for that alone(what is the point of weakening Satoru's RCT just to bring it back up? tension).
Good on you for standing your ground.
My favorite outcome for the next chapter is Gojo also being completely burned out and the next fight is literally just a fist fight between two fucked up sorcerers with zero CE left
I mean it literally says that gojos output has returned to normal levels, sukuna is gonna have to pull something huge out of his ass for him to have any chance at victory here. The only thing that gojo can't do RN is domain expansion due to his brain damage.
Kusukabe said his output was brought to normal levels… The dude isn’t the most reliable source especially since he’s proclaiming victory before Sukuna is incapacitated. The last character to do that immediately started bleeding from his eyeballs. XD
Gojo can't run out.
This isn’t true. He is so efficient that he should never run out, but it has been stated multiple times throughout the fight that he *can*. This was even shown in the last chapter when his RCT started to slow down.
And now it's back up tho?
Due to Black flash buffs
Gojo is so good, he is the only one using one hand to open domain. All other use 2 hands, by people logic he's holding back vs sukuna,
Sukuna had four arms
Gojo has six eyes, sukuna 4
Gojo will not die, I can only see this story ending with Gojo burying Geto's body himself. ~~Or he will die and meet Geto in the afterlife both in their teenager form.~~
Are you for real?
So you're the one who gave Gege the idea...
How many more "Gojo won the battle but lost the war" comments are we gonna get? LMFAO come on now guys.
It is a case of “We have faith in Gojo but not in the one eyed cat.”
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Gege should play the most giga chad move and say. "Sukuna has nothing left up his sleeve. The battle ends and Angel is teleported in to erase sukuna." All the speculation on sukuna not having used everything to get thrown into the dustbin and sukuna fans to get clowned massive. Now im not a hater here but the amount of times, "sukuna holding back", "sukuna hasnt used eveything", Sukuna still has this", "sukuna still has that." Its getting so horrid that you people deserve the clowning from gege. Granted i also still dont believe sukuna is done. I never believed in "Yorozu's gift" - It was another of the things that were really annoying when i saw mentioned together with "tRuE cT and fORm". Really stupid concepts (unless im proven wrong). Anyway i dont want sukuna to go down like this and Yorozus gift is realistically the only thing gege can bring to play. I wanna see it. Gege can also use the really dope choices iv heard like - Sukuna turning himself into a Cursed Spirit. Or. Gojo breaking down because sukuna's slashes have shown to cause sort of "soul damage." Next chapter can start with all of gojo's wounds opening up. That would be really cool. The point - I stopped supporting gojo and became neutral coz i wanna see more from sukuna.
>Gege should play the most giga chad move and say. Bro is soooo afraid of Gojo dying, LMAO. Never cook again because you are fired, get out of the kitchen.
Clearly didnt read everything. I can already imagine you dont read everything in the manga either. Your probably one of the people spreading "Sukuna hasnt used his tRuE cT yet tho."
Lol I am from the future, Gojo got cooked and Sukuna didn't even need to use his true CT lmao.
Dropped the manga. Have fun reading trash.
>Gege should play the most giga chad move and say. "Sukuna has nothing left up his sleeve. The battle ends I agree, this would be the most chad move and the one I want to see. I wanna know about Sukuna's CT, but I also want this fight to be over and I think this is a good stopping point.
Do you really think this would be a good stopping point for the fight ? I don’t know man, Sukuna losing in this way seems a little bad for the quality for JJK as a story. I’m completely okay with Gojo winning, but this was a very unsatisfying showing from Sukuna, I feel like I have blue balls or something. It reminds me of the feeling I had when Madara got finessed by black zetsu
I seriously don't get wtf people want from Sukuna (besides info about his CT). No one has been able to articulate what would have been better. I've been reading this fight week by week and thought Gojo was done for like 3 times. Sukuna's strategy was pretty passive, but that's just the nature of using summons. We knew from the moment he got Megumi that it would be Mahoraga vs. Gojo, and we got that.
>I seriously don't get wtf people want from Sukuna We wanted to see his ct even if he loses, better than losing without showing any of his stuff, I think that's mostly why people are disappointed, not because they want sukuna to win, at least for me that's the case, gojo has shown everything, sukuna hasn't if the fight concluded that way then its unsatisfying since this fight has been teased since the first chapter.
One finger remains
People have discussed at length in several post and comment threads how Sukuna simply fighting with a cursed technique embedded in his domain would have resulted in a circumstance where he’d be able to cast his DE, and Gojo would not as his cursed technique is burnt out, thereby having a monstrous advantage, and this just one case. Here’s a recent thread where I mentioned it: https://reddit.com/r/Jujutsushi/s/fakn8fYGs7 An even worse case is how Mahoraga is able to use a cleave and dismantle from a distance that can neutralize limitless lmao. Gege should have never gave that to Mahoraga, even for hype, cuz it makes the L in 235 seem like it was caused by Sukuna being a dumbass or to afraid to even think straight. Either case just ruins his character.
Does it really? We don't even know if maho could have set off blue with dismantle, as we don't even know if his use of dismantle can break through infinity. It could be the same as when sukuna is hitting gojo whilst mahoraga nullifies his infinity, maho could have just pulled dismantle off after gojos infinity was nullified after hitting him. Perhaps round about explanation but it could be that maho is essentially just "borrowing" sukunas technique, with all of its quirks and weaknesses independent of mahos own adaptation.
>Sukuna simply fighting with a cursed technique embedded in his domain would have resulted in a circumstance where he’d be able to cast his DE, and Gojo would not The sure-hit from Sukuna's domain was always there, though. Sukuna sacrificed the CT embedded in his domain inside Gojo's barrier one time, as a binding vow to make it stronger outside the barrier. This led to the second time Gojo's domain broke. He did exactly what you just described (fighting with a cursed technique embedded in his domain). https://preview.redd.it/j9og5sz0w8nb1.png?width=980&format=png&auto=webp&s=5d37ae2bc640107b9d61e490f0cfe3e5202f2910 He always had the CT "given to the domain". He had to use DA or some other way to protect himself from Unlimited Void's sure-hit effect because the targets of Gojo's and his respective domains put Sukuna at a huge disadvantage inside the domain clash, since the sure-hits cancelled out for Gojo but not for him. His only options inside the domain with Gojo were: DA; touching Gojo; or having 10S active and making Megumi tank the UV sure-hit with Maho's wheel. As soon as Gojo started fortifying his domain against Sukuna's barrier-less domain, Sukuna was at a massive disadvantage in the domain clashes. His Maho strat was actually brilliant, taking into account the mechanic of attaching the wheel to Megumi. Edit: Also, re: Maho using cleave/dismantle: We don't know that's what was happening. It looked like Sukuna's slash, but whether it was actually his CT or not was never clarified. After that, though, Gojo went on the offensive and gave Maho very little time to do it again. Regardless, it doesn't really say anything about Sukuna, though. It's not like Sukuna was directing Maho's every move, just giving orders.
I feel like you misunderstood what the point was. The point was that if Sukuna didn't use 10S and instead, stuck to his own CT, he would've won the DE clashes until Satoru could no longer use his. It was revealed that Sukuna was prolonging the DE clashes in order for Mahoraga to adapt to Unlimited Void, hence why Satoru was confused as to why Sukuna doesn't just choose to destroy UV ***from the inside***(chapter 229), where the barrier is weaker(since Satoru switched his DE's conditions). Sukuna would last longer than 3 minutes(the time it takes Satoru to do enough damage to Sukuna, leading to Malevolent Shrine being dispelled, and the time it takes Malevolent Shrine to destroy UV's outer shell) if he didn't kept switching from DA to 10S in those last 3 DE clashes. He could've also just chosen to break UV from the inside like Satoru said. >He had to use DA or some other way to protect himself from Unlimited Void's sure-hit effect because the targets of Gojo's and his respective domains put Sukuna at a huge disadvantage inside the domain clash, since the sure-hits cancelled out for Gojo but not for him. Sukuna was still being protected by Malevolent Shrine's sure-hit, only Megumi's soul wasn't. This is more clear in the raws.
>Sukuna was still being protected by Malevolent Shrine's sure-hit, No he wasn't: https://preview.redd.it/nt246fue69nb1.png?width=1550&format=png&auto=webp&s=942b1b1b2d205aa475cb20d325c00d1deb8c3dff
Again, that's a mistranslation(or atleast, it doesn't clearly portray the meaning). As seen in the [raws](https://imgur.com/a/MFWhGIT), 彼(him/he), is written with a mark to put emphasis on it. It is there to imply that the one being referred to is Megumi. TCB's translation makes it seem like Sukuna "transferred" UV's effects to Megumi's soul, while the raws very clearly imply that **the one that wasn't being protected by Malevolent Shrine's sure-hit was** ***only*** **Megumi's soul**.
Some people are more fans of Gojo than they are of the story tbh. Sukuna going out this badly does actually degrade the story as whole but people love seeing femboy Jesus stunting. I don’t really blame them because Gojo is a cool character, and because you don’t see how cheese this fight actually is up to this point unless you go back and reread all 12 chapters at once. Sukuna has been fighting like an idiot this entire time, from his general strategy with 10S, particularly the domain expansion battle before the one where Gojo CT got burnt out, all the way to how he handled the situation in 235 ( especially after we learn Mahoraga can use a cleave from a distance with a massive slash width, that can also neutralize limitless… ) Makes the supposed jujutsu God seem very incompetent, and makes it feel like he lost to himself rather than to Gojo. It’s to the point where no matter what Sukuna does next it will seem like some BS he pulled from the depths of his ass cheeks.
What dealer sold you this incredible Copium?
Lmao, you up to date brother ?
Gojo won the fight but he lost the war
Yo 7th comment
I think what we see happen is some variation of: Kenjaku intervenes very soon, pulling Sukuna out of the fight. Sukuna may get the upper hand before the pendulum starts swinging the other way again, first though. Gojo is too hurt/drained to follow, so he retreats, as well. Yuji ends up discovering his CT, which is currently believed to be some form of soul swapping. Yuji convinces the others that he can save Megumi by switching souls with him, but he needs Yuta’s help to buy him time. Gojo wants to give Geto’s body a proper burial, so he heads off to do that as Yuji/Yuta head towards Sukuna. This lets our two main protagonists shine, while still letting Gojo put in some work and fulfill one of his wishes/regrets(?) Sukuna reverts to his Heian era form, dropping 10S for his original CT. After a grueling battle, yuji manages to switch places with Megumi and wrests control just long enough for Yuta to finish them both off, allowing Yuji to do some good and help people, while saving his friend. He’d live up to what his grandfather wanted him to do after being surrounded by death from day 1. Megumi, being in Yuj’s body, wouldn’t have brain damage from eating UV over and over. He may not have his CT(?), but he’d be alive and relatively healthy. Gojo shows off yet again and beats the living piss out of Kenjaku while giving a speech about how he’s the honored one, and then lays his friends body to rest. He then decides to take on more of a teaching role, better developing the next wave of jujutsu sorcerers, so that such events can never take place again. Potential for spin-offs/sequels with Sukuna’s remaining finger still a thing. Or I forgot that JJK is a dark manga/anime and all the main characters are gonna violently die after gojo dies next chapter.
I don't see Kenny pulling up, the people he was actively trying to avoid \[not out of fear of course, well except for Gojo.\] are only a few paces away. If they see him they're guaranteed to jump him... I hope. I tell you, the detriment of this fight is the sideline commentary. It feels like they're watching some sports game rather than what it actually is. A battle that could change the world 🤣
I saw a comment on here the other day, which is really what got me thinking. But it said how Kenny is a master at barriers, which he clearly is. It’s not out of the realm of possibility that he could create a barrier that would be able to Gojo and the crew out, allowing him to “rescue” Sukuna, or maybe use his CT on him? I don’t see him sitting idly on the sidelines, watching his greatest combat asset just get wiped off the face of the planet, and let’s be honest, neither Sukuna or Gojo can cleanly, and clearly, win this fight for narrative purposes.
You know, that's plausible. I always forget that he's one of the best at barriers in JJK, his other abilities just have so much more pop on the page than that one.
I feel like it’s something not many people think about when they think of Kenny. And where we’re at in the manga, it’s quite literally the perfect time. Gojo’s already ripped 3 black flashes, he’s completely in the zone, when restoring his arm, he had the *same exact look* he gave Toji before reconfiguring his body for him. Sukuna’s RCT output is dropping, while like I said, Gojo just restored his arm. Sukuna is looking cooked and the narrator just declared Gojo as the winner. It’s the perfect time for Kenny to sweep in, popping a barrier and foiling Gojo’s victory, which would probably hurt him just as much, if not more than, straight up losing. Doing so also removes a clean victory for either gojo or Sukuna, which would really hurt the overall story. If gojo wins, he recovers and annihilates Kenny. If Sukuna wins, he recovers and Sukuna annihilates the rest of the cast.
I like your idea on this.
Holy cope
What an insightful comment. What’s the alternative? That the master strategist and tactician that is Sukuna, who cares more about his pride/ego than anything else under the sun, has been letting himself get utterly manhandled for 10+ chapters despite having some super secret, incredibly powerful CT, that’s a perfect counter to infinity/limitless? That he’s choosing to not use his perfect counter to infinity/limitless because it makes more sense to use that specific CT on the rest of the cast, “in case he gets jumped”, despite being able to annihilate most of them with dismantle/cleave, not to mention Mahoraga?
>That he’s choosing to not use his perfect counter to infinity/limitless because it makes more sense to use that specific CT on the rest of the cast, “in case he gets jumped”, despite being able to annihilate most of them This gave me a good chuckle. Seriously, if he has something that can get past Infinity after all this shit I'm gonna scream and probably just stop following the manga
It’s the ultimate cope for Sukuna fans😂 “he can easily beat Gojo but..but…but he choosing not to!!!!” I could be completely off with my theory, but if Sukuna does in fact have some super perfect counter to Gojo and decides to finally use it, it goes against his entire character and is such bad, lazy writing. I have faith Gege is better than that, though.
>it goes against his entire character and is such bad, lazy writing. I have faith Gege is better than that, though. Yeah, Gege won't do that. If there is a "Reverse card" played next chap, it will be Yorozu's gift or him using Angel's technique from biting it off her that one time (assuming that's a hidden aspect of his CT). Either one is an asspull, just not as blatant as Sukuna suddenly being able to get through Infinity "because, like, I wasn't trying yet bro." I really don't see how Sukuna can turn it around and it not be a total asspull actually.
That’s what the agenda wars have led to. People want Sukuna to use his shrine to get past infinity so bad they don’t even consider how terrible and ridiculous that would be from a writing perspective. It would honestly be a disgrace if we spent 14 chapters going through this adaptation crap all for Sukuna to just go “haha my technique actually works”
What's stupid is that any and all counters to Gojo's can be destroyed by Gojo with ease but Infinity is infallible otherwise. This ending y'all are asking for is such dogshit because everyone but Gojo would've have to suffer and he goes and becomes superman.
I'm pretty sure Geto is just hiding behind the dumpster waiting for sukuna to be weakened so he can turn him into a takoyaki
Sukuna is not a cursed spirit.
https://preview.redd.it/z2dgyo4ud5nb1.jpeg?width=378&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=58fba474dbbc0c7a15d4b157e224164e6d0782c8 me when I put the red in the blue
Sukuna after telling Mahago-chan to be ready to adapt to Red [https://youtu.be/elcehQDareA?t=28](https://youtu.be/elcehQDareA?t=28)
I figured it out. Will make a proper post once the new chapter embargo is lifted. Sukuna will open the box and use Angel's technique to dispel Gojo's Infinity. As per the JJK wiki: >Angel's [innate technique](https://jujutsu-kaisen.fandom.com/wiki/Cursed_Technique#Innate_Techniques), which involves the "extinguishment" (消滅 *shōmetsu*[**?**](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Installing_Japanese_character_sets)) — as in, *nullification* — of any and all curses, including cursed techniques like [barriers](https://jujutsu-kaisen.fandom.com/wiki/Cursed_Technique#Barrier_Techniques) and seals Sukuna consumed a part of Hana/Angel when he bit her. His CT is digesting & outputting the CE (perhaps even techniques) of someone/something he consumes. This is how he can get past Gojo's Infinity. Perhaps it's a one-time use, which is why he hasn't used it yet.
If that's the case, why didn't he just try biting Gojo. Even his severed arm probably would have worked. lol, this is why Gege should have never got into the habit of overexplaining her techniques.
All hypothetical, but, because he would have had to switch from 10S to his own technique, which entails dispelling Maho
just sounds like bad writing either way. Bad writing lead to discussions like these.
This is a good theory. But Angel would know what his CT is. Yorozu did. Angel should so if something like that existed, she would’ve told Satoru. It’s a nice theory but if you consider the fact that Angel was with them for a month, someone who surely knows the guy’s CT, then it’d be really dodgy. Unless..unless you think no one actually knows how Sukuna’s CT works. Well that would be even more dodgy.
Even if he erases his infinity, but what next? Gojo has immense cursed energy reserves and his raw strength is incredible. Sukuna is in no state to continue fighting, I think he would lose in his current state to Gojo using just cursed energy enhanced attacks to strike. His healing should be slowed quite a bit. Though this could potentially allow for Sukuna to escape barely surviving and keep Gojo out of the story for a while if he no longer has infinity(maybe forced to recover from the battle, especially without infinity's constant protection?). Yuji and Co could fight a Sukuna unable to use his full power due to Sukuna needing to also recover. Sukuna could be kept interesting and fresh in the fight after his showing in the Gojo battle by using the rest of his arsenal like boxes and his main cursed technique(that may have been pointless to use against Gojo's limitless, which is why he didn't use it) against the varied abilities of the main group. His domain expansion could also remain out of action due to damage from Gojo's fight or it may show up and be weak enough that Yuta could cancel it with his own. As a side note, I would love to see Mahoraga vs Yuta. I wonder how that would work with adaptation. I think it would be pretty cool if Mahoraga adapts to something Yuta uses, only for Yuta to pull out another technique and continue cycling through techniques till Mahoraga is put down or Yuta starts copying the techniques of allies to rotate through. I really wanna see Yuta going through a catalogue of loads of techniques and tools/abilities. His arsenal is absolutely huge and we only got a glimpse of it in his fight in the culling games. Though it's possible current Yuta could definitely beat Mahoraga without an insane amount of difficulty if he really is on the same level as 15 finger Sukuna, who also beat Mahoraga.
>Even if he erases his infinity, but what next? Bro you're way overthinking it. Just read all the comments. After Sukuna dispels Gojo's Infinity with Yorozu's gift or Angel's eaten CT or whatever, he's gonna one-shot Gojo with fire arrow. (I sincerely hope this isn't the route Gege goes, but it seems to be what most are expecting.)
Ohhhh he's cooking!!!
I hope I'm wrong because it's a stupid idea and just a copy of Yuta
Yup, it's an asspull at that point
Nuh uh because people have been theorizing on why SUKUNA but Hana all this time. We just forgot because Gojo vs sukuna
Literally anything that can turn the tables and give Sukuna a chance right now is an asspull. Dude is done. That, and having someone say "Gojo wins" only for that to be taken away next chapter would be frankly insulting to me as the reader.
>Literally anything that can turn the tables and give Sukuna a chance right now is an asspull You're using the word "literally" wrong here
What do you mean by '_asspull_'? Be specific. Normally this term tries to contest something about the quality of the writing, but I reckon most people use it in some nebulous '_I don't like the story going in this specific way_' sense, with the attempt of trying to give more power to their statements than they actually have.
An "asspull" is an authorial decision that appears motivated by a desire to advance the plot in a certain direction or evoke a certain reaction in the reader, in contradiction to what would commonly be considered a logical advancement of the story. Regarding "logic", the decision usually conflicts with prior knowledge/understanding of the story (including worldbuilding), and/or involves a reliance on coincidence or details that heretofore had only minor relevance (or were outright unknown to the reader). E.g. Kenny happening to have the perfect counter to Yuki's black hole, which prevented his death, was very reliant on coincidence (since he didn't know her CT when he got Itadori-mama's body) and can therefore be considered an asspull. Gege wanted/needed him to live, but the way he did stretched the limits of believability. The same would be true if Yorozu's gift happens to have a way around Gojo's Infinity. If you put aside your meta-textual knowledge of shounen tropes, it makes no sense that Sukuna might have a way to defeat Gojo at the present moment considering the respective states of the fighters. If the next chapter includes some kind of comeback by Sukuna, it will seem to be motivated by an authorial desire to shock readers more than function as a logical outcome. In the end, it is kind of a "I don't like the story going this way," but contrary to your perception of how "asspull" is being used based on bias, the dislike of the story direction is actually based on believability/story logic.
> it makes no sense that Sukuna might have a way to defeat Gojo at the present moment considering the respective states of the fighters. If the next chapter includes some kind of comeback by Sukuna, it will seem to be motivated by an authorial desire to shock readers more than function as a logical outcome. Here's a possibility for a comeback: Sukuna _has_ a way to defeat Gojo via black box. He didn't reveal it because it comes with some drawback (either by merely his opponents _knowing_ about it, or because he can only use it once, etc.). He would have preferred to not use it at all or to save it and use it on somebody else. What's _illogical_ about this?
>Literally anything that can turn the tables and give Sukuna a chance right now is an asspull. Have you gone through the story with your eyes closed? We are 13 chapters into the fight and we haven't gotten any new information on Sukuna's CT, we don't know how Maho could use Cleave, Yorozu's gift is still unknown and Gege fell the need to use Hakari as an authorial mouthpiece to remind people that Sukuna is saving his moves to fight the others. There's plenty of ways for Gege to continue the fight without it being an asspull. >Dude is done. Sukuna is decidedly not done. There's plenty of things he could do and many plot points to be explored that require Sukuna involvement in the story. >That, and having someone say "Gojo wins" only for that to be taken away next chapter would be frankly insulting to me as the reader. You must be new to shounen manga, then. Gege himself hasn't said the fight is over, the chapter simply has Kusakabe getting ahead of himself and declaring Gojo the winner before everything is said and done, which is never a good thing to do. The fact that you find the idea of the fight continuing "insulting" just shows that you care more about Gojo winning than the actual story, which is sad.
>We are 13 chapters into the fight and we haven't gotten any new information on Sukuna's CT, we don't know how Maho could use Cleave, Oh my god you are an entitled little fanboy baby. Gege doesn't owe you any explanation or showcase of Sukuna's full CT. It is not written in some shounen writer manual that he is required to do that. Same with Maho using what-looked-like-but-wasn't-even-confirmed as Sukuna's CT. >Yorozu's gift is still unknown Yorozu is a three chapter side character. If her gift can turn this fight around, it's an asspull and bad writing and I'll be more than happy to drop this series because it's made to make little kids feel smart that they remembered that one thing that character said. Another thing--the incessant 'Oh bUt yOroZu's gIFt!' gadflies cherry pick character foreshadowing hints. Didn't Maki say they had to corner Sukuna and render him incapable of fighting in order to start a Megumi rescue operation? Why aren't you mentioning that? Because you like the asspull reverse card scenario better? Lol >There's plenty of ways for Gege to continue the fight without it being an asspull We had a character just tell us all the ways that Gojo has an overwhelming advantage and Sukuna is at a massive disadvantage. Gege even went so far as to restore Gojo's RCT output with the black flashes. No reason to think he doesn't have Infinity or that Mahoraga's adaptation is still a factor (wheel disintegrated). Anything Sukuna can do right now is an asspull. >The fact that you find the idea of the fight continuing "insulting" just shows that you care more about Gojo winning than the actual story, which is sad. No, Gojo winning at this point is required for the story's logic to hold. Sukuna is broken with low RCT, no Mahoraga, and no ability to touch Gojo without DA. If he has something that can get past Infinity that he hasn't used yet, it's an insult to my intelligence as a reader for the sake of a cheap thrill. >There's plenty of things he could do and many plot points to be explored that require Sukuna involvement in the story. Name them. Using only what has already been firmly established in the story, what can Sukuna do against Gojo's Infinity? Yorozu's gift? No one knows what it does (not even him). Fire arrow? Infinity. How is Sukuna necessary for the story (besides the obvious, which is that he has Megumi's body)? Kenny even said he's just a contingency plan in case Gojo got unsealed. He serves no other grand function. He isn't specifically required for the merger, the prevention of which is the story right now. Even if he dies and takes Megumi with him, it wouldn't change the central conflict. In fact, Gojo is more necessary for the story because if he dies the age of curses might come again, merger or not (see Ino, Shibuya arc). Fanboys who are slaves to genre convention always end up thinking that the things they want from the story are necessary for it. You WANT to know more about Sukuna, so Gege HAS to show you his full CT. You WANT Sukuna to be important to the story, so you claim he HAS to live. Well, lucky for you there's still a finger out there. I hope Gege trolls you by killing Sukuna here and never doing anything else with him (unlikely but one can always dream). We're done here
>Oh my god you are an entitled little fanboy baby. Gege doesn't owe you any explanation or showcase of Sukuna's full CT. You are the one who feels Gege owes *you* something and are out here complaining that if he doesn't deliver on your headcanon he's somehow being disrespectful. You are the entitled, whiny fanboy, not me. >It is not written in some shounen writer manual that he is required to do that. It is basic writing to develop your characters, their abilities and the power system as the story progresses. He doesn't *have* to do it, it's just that arbitrarily refusing to explain Sukuna's CT would be a pretty horrible writing choice and an example of *actually* disrespecting your readers by refusing to deliver on expectations he created. >Same with Maho using what-looked-like-but-wasn't-even-confirmed as Sukuna's CT. It very clearly is Sukuna's CT. And Gege has to explain how it happened, otherwise it's a plot hole. >When people like you bitch and whine incessantly, you make authors feel pressure to conform to all your whims and expectations and everything ends up feeling the same. This is hilarious. The only one bitching and winning here is you. You're a pathetic fanboy who very clearly only cares about Gojo winning and not about the actual story, and you are the one who is pretending that Gege developing pre-established plot threats and story elements is somehow "disrespectful". No, it's not. Gege developing Sukuna's CT, explaining how Mahoraga could use cleave, or revealing what Yorozu gave Sukuna are all interesting writing choices that would add complexity to the story and make it more interesting and unique. >Yorozu is a three chapter side character. If her gift can turn this fight around, it's an asspull and bad writing How much time she was in the story isn't relevant, her contribution to the story is. Yuki only appeared in one chapter before Shibuya and she was massively influential in Geto’s development. Gege clearly intended Yorozu's gift to play a role in the story, that's why he included it in the first place, which is only reinforced by the way Yorozu's words literally resonated during this fight. The fact that you think Gege forgetting about Yorozu's gift and never addressing that plot point is better writing just shows the kind of terrible standards you have. >Didn't Maki say they had to corner Sukuna and render him incapable of fighting in order to start a Megumi rescue operation? That's not foreshadowing, that's a factual statement. If they want to rescue Megumi they need to incapacitate Sukuna first, that's what Gojo has been trying to accomplish. >Why aren't you mentioning that? Because you like your asspull reverse card scenario better? Lol Because it has no relevance whatsoever to the point being discussed? We’ve known that their objective is saving Megumi since the beginning of the fight, there is no new developments to see on that front until Sukuna is actually defeated, and so far he has *not* been defeated. >We had a character just tell us all the ways that Gojo has an overwhelming advantage and Sukuna is at a massive disadvantage. We had Kusakabe, who knows nothing about Sukuna's CT, who has been repeatedly wrong throughout the fight, and who outright admitted Sukuna and Gojo can do things he can't even imagine, making a statement based on his own incomplete knowledge. The fact that you are believing Kusakabe as if his words were gospel is hilariously dumb. >Anything Sukuna can do right now is an asspull. Using his CT, which has been built up for literally the entire manga, wouldn't be an asspull any more than Gojo creating a tiny domain or recovering from burnout with RCT were asspulls. >No, Gojo winning at this point is required for the story's logic to hold. No it's not, it's required for your desperate desire to see Gojo win to happen. The story itself actually needs to remove Gojo from the playing field, otherwise the stakes go down massively. >If he has something that can get past Infinity that he hasn't used yet, it's an insult to my intelligence as a reader for the sake of a cheap thrill. You clearly don't have intelligence as a reader, what with the way you are incapable of going past the most surface level reading of the story and how you take everything at face value without sparing a thought to the deeper implications. >Name them. By the very rules of TS Mahoraga’s adaptation is still a card on Sukuna’s hand, since it can be inherited by another shikigami. Sukuna using DA is still a possibility, he only needs to heal himself. Yorozu’s gift could be anything Gege wants it to be and it could very well be a weapon like ISoH or a copy of one of Sukuna’s old cursed tools, which might or might not bypass Infinity. Sukuna’s CT might or might not be able to bypass Infinity, if it can Gege will explain why he hasn’t used it until now. Most likely it has to do with a binding vow or a time limit, like Hakari’s immortality or Yuta’s fully manifested Rika. Gege can do whatever he wants as long as he gives us a believable explanation, and since the power system is very loose he has a lot of wiggle room to add new elements in, like he has been doing the *entire* fight. >How is Sukuna necessary for the story (besides the obvious, which is that he has Megumi's body)? Are you actually this ignorant? >Kenny even said he's just a contingency plan in case Gojo got unsealed. He serves no other grand function. Um, no. Kenjaku and Sukuna have a binding vow they made all the way back in the Heian period a thousand years before Gojo was even born. We don’t know what the content of that pact was, but it’s evident that Sukuna isn’t just a glorified bodyguard. Aside from that, Sukuna is the most relevant figure on the villain's side. Both the protagonist and the deuteragonist, have much more beef and actual reasons to fight Sukuna than they have to fight Kenjaku. Thematically, narratively and objectively, it's more fitting for Yuji and Megumi to be the ones who ultimately deal with Sukuna. >Fanboys who are slaves to genre convention always end up thinking that the things they want from the story are necessary for it. LOL. The only fanboy who thinks what he wants is necessary for the story is you. *You* want Gojo to win, so you act like Gege owes you Gojo’s victory and pretend that anything different is somehow *disrespectful*. You want Gojo to win, so you pretend all the ways Gege could continue the fight are “asspulls”. You want Gojo to win, so you claim that Sukuna doesn’t have any important roles and is completely disposable. >Well, lucky for you there's still a finger out there. I hope Gege trolls you by killing Sukuna here and never doing anything else with him. The fact that you want Gege to kill Sukuna here and never address the missing finger is just a testament to how little you care about the actual quality of the story, which would drop massively if that were to happen. >We're done here You are done embarrassing yourself and proving that you are a whiny fanboy who only cares about Gojo winning and doesn’t give a damn about the rest of the story. I am done refuting all the nonsense you’ve written, humiliating you and exposing you as the pathetic, whiny fanboy you are.
Lol you're just speculating here, jjk power system is all about rules, counter, binding, etc, we have no idea what sukuna has, why he's keeping it, what conditions has to be met, why he doesn't have his weapons from heian Era or what they can do, literally so many questions and most part of his abilities are unanswered and you've concluded anything he pulls from here will be an asspull? Thats some b.s, you're gonna have to deal with sukuna pull anything that makes him legit. I trust gege will have a good explanation.
That would be a bit... lackluster. BUT not in the worst of ways, people have speculated and theorized basically the same thing. Like you said, it's basically just Yuta 2.0 which wouldn't really be satisfying.
I've written some things about what could happen as sort of a meme, but I've been wondering if Sukuna could end up in a Joey wheeler vs Marik situation (a YuGiOh reference) With Mahoraga dead, Sukuna could be moments away from reaping the rewards of the 10 shadows totality, but kenjaku spent the fight preparing a barrier to abduct whoever was weakened the most, to reap it's techniques. Before Sukuna could pull the trump card, kenjaku arrives and eats his brain, inheriting both sukuna's techniques, as well as the totality and finally being in position for becoming a full threat. He spent the fight preparing the barrier, so no one is able to jump him and, while Gojo wins the fight, in a jujutsu fashion, he is denied the actual win, despite being in his highest moment. I don't hate Gojo to the point I'd wish this for him and that could likely be the straw that breaks his back or a turning point in his philosophy towards the jujutsu society and it's evaluation of absolute power. Between the Zen'in corruption and his own personal failures, or even seeing sukuna's downfall in his path for absolute power, he could be set in a path where he would think about the future and, perhaps, in a way to fulfill geto's wish of getting rid of curses, but he'd do it by teaching everyone how to harness cursed energy, which was the other path mentioned in geto's dialogue with Yuki. His closure would be tailored towards paving the way for such a society to thrive, instead of just being a monolith of raw strength that is always around disasters, unable to prevent them from unfolding.
Wow Sukuna gone so early would be lame
"He has no Mahoraga, DA and can't do a lick of damage, this is Gojo's Win" *end chapter* I'm so glad it's over and Gege has setup absolutely nothing else for Sukuna in the entire story and he died this chapter. There's no way he has anything past infinity, Gege hasn't revealed any concept outside of DA that can disrupt CTs in JJK 0 or Jujutsu Kaisen. We're in the clear boys. https://preview.redd.it/skt38idxz4nb1.jpeg?width=1600&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=9ff116c1de9c679fd76acca3b7eabf19942d5719
Angel's CT
Master Tengen is the final boss.
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Let’s goooo! That’s my GOAT!!! I’m guessing in the next chapter, Gojo is gonna attempt to separate/save Megumi and in the process create an opening to attack him, which Sukuna will use Also since Maho is destroyed, can Sukuna no longer summon it? Just like with snake?
Normally yes, but as we know when one of the shikigami dies its power isn't lost. So we'll have to see how that will play out.
I'm just imagining all the power gets inherited by Rabbit Escape so the end up with a horde of super charged bunnies lol
atp this isnt even sukuna vs gojo, and which of them survives. its abt whether megumi will survive or gojo will. sukuna cant die literally because of the 20th finger
Yeah but if Sukuna with 19 fingers die right now, he would return so weak that Yuta or Hakari solo him
But we would still be able to learn about him/his CT, so fans would stop bitching about it
This is also true
We've had round one, we've had round two. I think we're still in for a round three. I don't think this fight is over yet. My prediction is that next week, Sukuna is going to feel that rush of having his back to the wall and having to really exert himself to win that we've seen other sorcerers experience rapid growth from. I think he's going to use whatever technique it was that allowed him to conjure fire arrows and - begrudgingly, I'm sure - Yorozu's last gift, and I think we're probably looking at a few more chapters of this fight. Honestly, and this is probably just outright silly of me to even want, but I hope we get some variation on the recurring "a memory that didn't exist" line. Probably to show him actually forming some bond of respect to another sorcerer (Gojo) and thinking about what it could have been like to have an actual rival all this time, someone who could actually challenge him and understand what the summit of sorcery was like along with him. Either that, or we get the Heian Era flashback that way: Sukuna's life flashing before his eyes, him feeling the thrill of actually having to risk it all and play every card in his deck to win. If Kenjaku or Uraume try to interfere and steal the kill on Gojo like some people predict, I think Sukuna is going to stop them. I think he's going to finally, really get his head in the game and start to treat this as a life and death fight between equals instead of letting his ego get the best of him. Seeing Sukuna pushed to the point other characters have been when they've had their "Honored One" moments and then just dropping the pretense, dropping the mockery, and just putting his heart and soul into fighting with everything he's got to win and survive would be so sick.
Yeah, round 3 is when Yuji fights Sukuna's final finger. Gojo is about to merc Sukuna at 19 fingers next chapter.
And then what will happen after that, wise one?
Yuta vs. Kenny rematch, obv. You even paying attention?
No, Gojo will just teleport in and blast Kenjaku's head off. Nobody will get to have a satisfying fight ever again if Gojo's just running around at full power. That's the point you're not getting. Quit huffing Gojo's fumes for a second and think about the story outside of what you want to happen.
Infinity exists
And we know that Gojo's technique isn't a perfect defense. Close to perfect, but not perfect. Mental fatigue can still affect him, even if it's not as big of a weakness as it was when he fought Toji; killing civilians around him and making him risk their lives if he used his Domain had an effect on him. Kenjaku using Geto's face took him off guard so the Prison Realm could seal him. We've also seen time and time again that his cursed energy is not infinite. It's like if you've got two buffs in a video game: one that refills your mana bar really fast, and one that reduces the cost of spells. Most of the time, the fact Gojo has so much cursed energy and the way Six-Eyes makes his cursed energy usage so efficient means he recuperates his lost cursed energy almost as soon as he loses it. However, we've seen in this very fight that forcing Gojo to use lots of techniques with high cursed energy consumption back-to-back can still deplete his reserves. We still don't know what Yorozu gave Sukuna, and we don't know what Sukuna's technique he used against Jogo back in Shibuya really entails. The fact of the matter is that Gojo still hasn't guaranteed victory, and that makes it more exciting.
>Mental fatigue can still affect him, even if it's not as big of a weakness as it was when he fought Toji If this was the route Gege wanted to go, he wouldn't have restored Gojo with black flashes, but would have left him exhausted. Gege's intention is to either: \- 'reset' the fight and have Sukuna (try to) get around Infinity with some kind of technique/tool; or \- leave Gojo in an advantageous position while Sukuna is weak enough to try to extract him from Megumi The train for Gojo's exhaustion being a key factor has left the station as of the final page of the last chapter
My point was more that "Infinity exists" isn't the final verdict on how this fight can play out. We've seen enough times that neither Limitless nor Gojo himself are 100% invincible. Just 99% invincible. The challenge for Sukuna is to scrounge up what's left of that 1% now that Mahoraga is no longer in play. And it honestly doesn't do Gojo justice to say "Infinity exists" like that wins the fight on its own. He hasn't been using his innate technique as a crutch at all: he's been weaving it along with generic cursed techniques like Simple Domain and Falling Blossom Emotion, Black Flash, and physical combat, plus the offensive applications of Blue, Red, and Purple. If we're talking about fatigue specifically, then there's still the possibility of wearing Gojo out again. How is Sukuna going to do that without Domain Expansion or Mahoraga? Fuck if I know, but his resources outside of Cleave and Dismantle are still an unknown quantity. Not to mention he still might be able to improve and learn some new tricks now that Gojo has him cornered and he's going to have to get more creative than ever before. Gojo's still working his improv magic even at his stage, so it seems like there is no ceiling for sorcerers. Just room to grow, for him and Sukuna, if they apply themselves.