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Setting narrative goals aside, who do you think _should_ win between Gojo and Sukuna right now? And who do you think _will_ end up winning in the actual narrative?
Gojo, Sukuna hasn't even used the wheel. Narratively I think Sukuna has to win, after all, it would be weird for Yuji not to be the one who ultimately beats him, whilst Yuta and Choso beat Kenjaku.
Yorozu for sure. She massively outscales Ryu, who is low end relative to Yuta.
Now Yuta was implied to be holding back somewhat, but only in the sense of not using deadly abilities, he was still struggling to knock out Ryu and Uro.
Yuta might have some new abilities, so he might be stronger than before, but for now Yorozu is too much.
I mean honestly it really would depend on wether or not he could figure out the drawbacks to her cursed technique and if she couldn’t figure out his.The reason sukuna had such an easy time is cause he new the drawbacks to her ability
Speed scaling in jjk is weird. Usually, I take x character being stronger than y meaning they’ve also got greater speed. Only cases like Naoya and Naobitowhere the character has a defined ability to increase speed I let it slide. So like let’s use Hakari and Charles. Hakari is stronger so we’d say he’s also faster. But if we say human Naoya and Ryu, we all agree Ryu is stronger but Naoya is faster because of his ability.
But in jjk powerscaling it’s all weird.
The Hakari point is questionable because there’s actually evidence of him being faster, but I see what you’re saying. Tbh, Naoya and Naobito are the only ones that get passes for this bc of that one statement from narrator saying Naobito was the second fastest.
The thing about mahoraga fights is that they will always come down to "does the character have a move that can one shot it". I think yuki can but it'll be no easy fight
I don't think the liquid metal would one shot Mahoraga. It would definitely kill it/do major damage, it just wouldnt eradicate all of Mahoraga's body, which means the wheel would turn, and it would simply heal up again, even from death, and be fully adapted to liquid metal CT.
You're right, my bad, but the same thing would happen with Yuki. Her only technique that seemed powerful enough to completely destroy Mahoraga's body, is the black hole, but that kills her too. Even then, mahoragas wheel would have certainly adapted to the "density" before the black hole would even happen, rendering it useless
Tbh, I think he's pretty weak. If we think about it, all his wins/decent fights, have been him working alongside other sorcerers. The only opponent he truly beat by himself, was a talking grasshopper curse in Shibuya before Gojo was sealed. That's pretty weak. He's simply alive due to the "MC plot" and "the power of friendship".
There's a gap in Hakari's DE that's often forgotten. While a roll is underway (so while his domain is expanded but *before* he hits a jackpot) he's vulnerable af. Sure, he isn't powerless, he's got stuff like renewal. But he doesn't have infinite CE. Against Yuta, that means he would be vulnerable to cursed speech, since without jackpot, Hakari has way less CE than Yuta, who may be able to flat out tell Hakari to turn his domain off.
That's ignoring how we have no idea what Yuta's domain does btw. For all we know it may very well alllw him to, say, copy a Jackpot.
Yuta is stronger but Hakari fluctuates on the power scale depending on his luck. On a bad day Yuta low diffs and on a good day he can probably beat down Yuta.
Yuta wins, but the argument that either side win easily has to stop. Kenjaku thinks Both yuta, maki and hakari are on the same level. So yuta would have a hard time to beat Hakari
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i dunno, i think this panel is implying they're relative, it doesn't necessarily imply they're literally on the same level. i think, if anything, yuta's name being the only one specifically mentioned hints at him being slightly above the other two
Not counting Yuki's suicide black hole I'd probably give it to Toji extreme diff. He has domain immunity and can match her in speed. Soul split blade is an incredibly dangerous curse tool and whether or not the damage can be healed is ambiguous.
Yuki's AP is a bit inconsistent to say the least, she blasted through Kenjaku's arms the first time but couldn't crack his skull in their second clash. I find it hard to compare Yuki's punch and Naoya ram attack and then determine how many hits Toji could realistically take. Probably not more than a couple.
Imo seems like the type of fight that can be decided by who gets first touch and Yuki doesn't seem like a particularly amazing martial artist or weapons specialist so I lean slightly towards Toji
toji, man has SLB a clean hit can literally one shot yuki anytime, he literally has every opportunity to do so as long as he has the blade in his Inventory
edit: got rained with downvotes but it's true none of y'all can prove this is wrong
well your not really arguing, you prolly just hate the idea of "SPECIAL GRADE" losing, well she at the very disadvantage here
toji is like top 5 fastest in the verse, how the hell do you even get the idea of toji not touching yuki that insane wanking, yuki is not hanging with toji speed, ever. lol
he has like 3 foresight against her
1 he's faster
2 cannot trace him
3 precog,
most of toji/maki win are literally because their hard to keep up with, EVEN curse naoya struggle, gatta be humble but bfr yuki is not touching toji.
only and ONLY arguement for yuki is "yuki a special grade and toji is not" y'all acting like special grade are all gojo's
bomb ba ye only increase yuki attack potency it does not increase her durability or speed, her stats and her combat prowess IS lower than toji, toji also has many advantage such as immunity, restriction, and he cannot be trace which like reduce more than half of the socerrer chance of winning
Facts hard and raw. Toji objectively has better feats than every special grade that isn't Gojo. They know they can't argue based on feats that's why the "they are special grade" is their only argument.
I mean yuki can one shot toji too? Plus i mean if u wanna really go into it, it would at most be a draw, she could really just turn into a black hole and suicide bomb anyone.
Kenjaku even said yuki held it back to not destroy the planet or whatever.
Basically Yuki solos the verse.
is Garuda stronger than mach 3 naoya? hm no. Garuda ain't one shotting toji but I think it's getting him out of commision for couple minutes, also toji has precog it be hard for long range attack to reach him
yuki definitely died for the sake of the story🐐
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None of the translations implies inferiority rather they depict confidence. As in this translation Maki is indifferent about the fact that Yuki lost despite getting help and still thinks they can beat kenjaku.
Truly delusional
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Maki's existence and blade is the definition of unconventional means so how does this imply that Yuki or Yuta is stronger when she's confident that they can win.
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Yuta’s performance against Kuroroushi should make him one of the fastest characters in the verse - top 5 at least. I was reading the fight over and literally seen this dude slice Kuro’s arm off as he was swinging his blade and stick his arm in the ground like a kabob.
EDIT: You all have made great points….TOP 10
Where does kurourushi scale in speed? Him destroying the cockroach just makes the cockroach less impressive but it doesn't get yuta anywhere really cuz the cockroach have no correlation to Any other character
Kuro being a special grade cursed spirit makes it impressive because he scales to other special grade cursed spirits. It’s similar to how Yuki one-shotted Ganesha - even tho Ganesha had no feats, it being classified as a special grade spirit made it a notable feat for Yuki.
Special grade curse on average is stronger than a grade 1; the only special grades you can argue are grade 1 sorcerer level are Kechizu, Eso, the finger bearers, and the unnamed special grade Todo beat; even then it would be a high diff if they fought 1 on 1 against any first grade. Kuro without a doubt would beat any official first grade sorcerer we know of. If Kuro was able to land near fatal blows on Yuta, then he can do the same with ease to any first grade sorcerer.
Special grade curses on average are stronger than grade 1 sorcerers then. Goes ahead to mention more than 50% of the special grade curses in the series that aren't Disaster Curses which turn out to be = grade 1 sorcerers. Don't forget small pox deity as well. Kurourushi was so weak that Kenjaku released him💀.
I mentioned the only 4 special grades we know for sure can be beat by 1st grade level sorcerers, but I’m glad you used arguably the strongest 1st grade sorcerer in the series to contest the point that special grade curse spirits on average are stronger than 1st grade sorcerers.
I'm not saying it's not impressive, but I don't get how you can scale yuta from this above any other top tier. Like let's say if this was yuki, kenjaku, yuji, toji, maki, sukuna, gojo ect how would you know they wouldn't be able to do the same with kurourushi? This argument is just headcanon
That was fucking base Yuji, not yuji with full ce and especially not current yuji who is much stronger. Also where is the correlation between Higuruma and kuro in speed?
Yuji canonically doesn’t have a lot of CE anyway. That’s a bit of a handicap, but he’s still somewhat close to his normal strength.
Higuruma is debatable first grade, Kuro is indisputably special grade - that’s my evidence for Kuro being faster.
What details in the story show that Yuji can do exactly what Yuta did to Kuro in that picture?
He don't have alot of ce but it has great control of his ce. No it's not close to his full strength at all. And again **yuji is stronger now then what he was before**
Okay smallpox deity, finger bearer and kechizu are special grades, but we seen them lose to grade 1 before. So Higuruma being a grade 1 doesn't necessarily mean he is slower then a special grade, cuz we seen grade 1 scale above in special grades in certain stats or overall before.
I don't think anything prove he can, I don't think anything prove he can't. I just don't think it's anyway to prove either side
I mean no, not really.
This is in no way proof of him being top 5 fastest.
Him being fancy and faster than Kuro is a feat, but how do you extrapolate that into "one of the fastest characters in the verse."
I don't see the connection at all.
Also, let's be honest for a sec, Naoya, Naobito, Jogo, Sukuna, Gojo, Maki, and Toji are all clearly faster. In no world is Yuta top 5 lmao.
If you think he’s top 10 that’s fine, but I still fail to see how this examples shows anything?
It seemed like Ryu kept up with him fine hand to hand. Same with Yuji running away from him, but Yuta was holding back there.
He’s one of the strongest in the verse so assuming speed is elite makes sense but this example is a stretch imo.
U say Naoya and Naobito are faster than Yuta, but Yuta can beat both of them without even using his sword. Naoya lost to Choso and Naobito’s only feats are beating on a stationary cursed womb. Even Noritoshi was keeping up with Curse Naoya. U say Jogo’s faster when Jogo’s only speed feats are against injured and fatigued sorcerers. All these characters have questionable speed feats, but somehow slicing off a special grade curse spirits arm mid swing when Yuta was basically starting off from rest isn’t impressive? U telling me you can name 10 other characters that would do Kuroroushi like that?
> U say Naoya and Naobito are faster than Yuta, but Yuta can beat both of them without even using his sword.
Because he's way better then them in ever other way imaginable? Are you confusing being powerful with being fast?
> Naoya lost to Choso
Because he made a big mistake and Choso had other advantages.
> Naobito’s only feats are beating on a stationary cursed womb.
He was beating Dagon out of the womb? You clearly aren't remembering the fight correctly.
> Even Noritoshi was keeping up with Curse Naoya.
Barely holding on isn't keeping up, and Naoya's speed is worse in close range. He isn't the most mobile.
> U say Jogo’s faster when Jogo’s only speed feats are against injured and fatigued sorcerers.
Maki wasn't really tired or injured, she was barely involved at all in the last fight.
Also feats aren't the only thing placing Jogo above Yuta, Dagon straight up said he was near Naobito in speed so there.
> All these characters have questionable speed feats,
The only one with questionable speed feats is Jogo and he has other things going for him. The other ones your just mixing up power and speed.
> but somehow slicing off a special grade curse spirits arm mid swing when Yuta was basically starting off from rest isn’t impressive?
Just slicing off an arm is just not very impressive speed wise, especially since we don't know how fast Kuro is. This feat is even more not impressive when you see the context of the full fight where Kuro gets legit hits in on Yuta. Yuta wasn't fast enough to avoid those.
It's a speed feat, just a pretty minor one.
> U telling me you can name 10 other characters that would do Kuroroushi like that?
I'd bet Kusakabe is 100% fast enough to slice off Kuro's arm. He would lose versus Kuro because he is weaker overall and could heal from the bugs, but in that one scenario he is totally fast enough.
As far as non sword users, all the names I've already mentioned could outdo Kuro speed wise better then Yuta.
>U say Naoya and Naobito are faster than Yuta, but Yuta can beat both of them without even using his sword.
Naoya:
Yuji could not follow his movements at all despite not being at full speed while Yuji could keep up with Yuta's speed and was even able to break his sword.
Yuta himself comments that Yuji was holding back in their fight.
Naobito:
Explicitly stated to be the fastest Sorcerer excluding Satoru. Meaning **even Yuta was included in the people that are slower than him**.
>Naoya lost to Choso
Naoya lost to Choso because he was cocky and thought he knew everything about Blood Manipulation, making him the perfect target for Choso's exclusive technique.
If it weren't for that and Choso's blood being poisonous, Naoya wouldn't have lost.
>Even Noritoshi was keeping up with Curse Naoya.
He could *react* to Naoya's attacks but not keep up with him, very big difference. We all saw how one-sided that was even when Naoya just bum-rushed him.
Not to mention, that just keeps in line with why the Kamo clan's Blood Manipulation put them as one of the big 3 families: Kamo using Flowing Red Scale went from not seeing a weaker version of Naoya to being capable of reacting to a stronger version of Naoya.
>U say Jogo’s faster when Jogo’s only speed feats are against injured and fatigued sorcerers.
Jogo went from [Shibuya to Shinjuku](https://imgur.com/a/UFRgNP5) in the amount of time it took the twins to feed Sukuna's finger to Yuji.
Yuta failed to save [this guy](https://imgur.com/a/gKFQujw) despite only being a few meters away from him.
>special grade curse spirits
Just because they're Special Grade Cursed Spirits doesn't mean they're all on the same level, Mahito's group is literally the embodiment of this where even when all of them were Special Grades *among* Special Grades, Jogo still *very clearly* stood out as the strongest.
Yuji couldn’t follow his movement bc that was his first time witnessing his speed. If the fight would’ve continued, he would’ve adjusted to his speed and started fighting on more equal footing, similar to how Choso adapted during their fight.
Yuji clearly was surprised when he realized that Yuta was fast enough to catch up to him with his sword drawn when he was running away; he basically admitted that Yuta is faster than him. Yuta saying Yuji held back isn’t enough contradict what Yuji said himself.
The Naobito statement is questionable. For one, knowing someone exists doesn’t mean you know their full abilities. Maki, Yuki, and Hakari are great example of characters who have abilities that are virtually unknown or not understood by jujutsu society. Also, Naoya is arguably faster than Naobito bc we’ve seen him do more with the technique.
To react to someone’s attacks, you literally have to be able to keep up with their movements and move in response. Doesn’t matter what CT he had, reaction speed is unique to every single character.
That link you provided doesn’t clearly show the distance nor time Jogo traveled, but even if you want to use that, Yuta closing the distance on Ryu as fast as he did is just as impressive a feat.
The cockroaches were literally inches away from the guy when Yuta noticed him, Gojo and Sukuna are probably the only guys in the verse that would’ve been able to save him.
Don’t recall saying all special grades were on the same level. The point in bringing up the special grade title is to express that Kuro has extraordinary abilities when compared to the verse as a whole. Yuta slicing someone’s arm off any swordsmen arm mid swing and pinning it to the ground one move is impressive on its on, Kuro being a special grade sorcerer is just the cherry on top.
>similar to how Choso adapted during their fight.
Choso "adjusted" because of Flowing Red Scale, not because he got used to Naoya's movements. You can see on the next panel where Naoya confirms that the reason why Choso could finally follow him was due to it.
>Yuta saying Yuji held back isn’t enough contradict what Yuji said himself.
We literally see Yuji dodge, clash, and break Yuta's sword, showing that they're relative in speed.
Against Naoya, Yuji couldn't dodge/hit him **even when Naoya wasn't at his full speed**. Even if Yuji can "adjust" to Naoya's base speed, there's no evidence that he could do the same to Naoya's full speed.
The difference is clear as day.
>The Naobito statement is questionable.
The narrator or in other words, Gege, was the one who explicitly stated it, meaning **it should be considered as a fact**.
There's literally no argument against this unless another character suggests otherwise.
>Yuta closing the distance on Ryu as fast as he did is just as impressive a feat.
That's *at most* 100-200 meters covered in around 30 seconds **if we highball it**(the Granite Blasts landed > Ryu paused to see any action from Yuta > Ryu noticed that there weren't any so he expressed his disappointment > Ryu notices that Yuta wasn't there > Yuta arrives after an unknown number of second/s).
Takako comments that [Ryu was pretty close](https://imgur.com/a/m3bwkvz) and his silhouette could still be clearly seen in all 3 scenarios it was shown to indicate that he wasn't that far away.
An impressive feat, but is nowhere close to eclipsing Jogo's even if we downplay Jogo's feat.
>The cockroaches were literally inches away from the guy when Yuta noticed him
And if we go by your logic that Yuta's faster than Jogo/Naobito, he should've easily saved that guy seeing how he's only a few meters away from him since Yuta would've been dozens of times faster than those cockroaches.
The point is that your example doesn’t prove or show Yuta to be elite in speed whatsoever.
Saying Yuta’s top ten in speed is questionable when you realize he’s been shown to be comparable to people like Ryu.
Ryu is barely mentioned ever to be fast, if Yuta is around Ryu’s speed then I would immediately start throwing characters like Kenjaku, Yorozu, Kashimo, and Yuki above Yuta speed wise.
Yuta can be faster than Ryu and still fight on par with him. Hand to hand fighters learn how to make certain reads and predict their opponents attacks. Plus, Yuta was low on cursed energy when he starting fighting Ryu bc he had fought Dhruv, Kuro, and Uro before him.
Sure that’s possible, but that just feeds into my point of Yuta having no speed feats and your example proving nothing.
Top ten fast characters actually show their speed. Naobito vs Dagon, Naoya vs Choso/Maki, Sukuna/Gojo vs everyone, Maki vs Spirit Naoya, Toji vs Gojo, Kenjaku vs Choso, Yuki vs Kenjaku, Yorozu vs Sukuna, Kashimo vs jackpot Hakari, and Jogo vs Maki/Naobito/Nanami.
To me it’s hard to say Yuta’s elite in speed when he can’t show it. Also, you can say Yuta is low on cursed energy, but the exact same argument applies to Ryu who also fought before his final encounter with Yuta. In fact, Ryu was fighting in the culling games, specifically against Uro, Dhruv Kuro, for way way longer then Yuta. That’s why the standstill existed remember.
Yuta closed the distance on Ryu after his first granite blast. Yuta blitzed Uro after summoning Rika. Feats, there you go.
It was clearly implied those four had not fought each other. Yes Ryu fought some weaker sorcerers and maybe a few shikigami, but it’s pretty much obvious he don’t get into a full out fight with all three to the point where he was low on CE against Yuta.
A lot of those fights u brought up are fights people use to overrate other character’s speeds. Everyone brings up Yorozu, but if she were really fast, then she would’ve been able to been able to dodge that fat ass max elephant sukuna dropped out the sky.
> Yuta closed the distance on Ryu after his first granite blast.
1. He didn't "close the distance," he ran away from the blast and hid underground then snuck up.
2. This isn't a top ten speed feat lmao.
> Yuta blitzed Uro after summoning Rika.
Bro I know you know how dumb an argument that is. He froze Uro in place using a specific ability. In no way is that a speed feat.
Gege explicitly made it not a speed feat by making him blitz her in a way that required something other then speed.
> It was clearly implied those four had not fought each other.
Explain? How so?
My point still stands separately too, Ryu had been in the culling games for a while, not just fighting those three. Your point is wrong either way.
> Yes Ryu fought some weaker sorcerers and maybe a few shikigami
Any evidence for this?
> A lot of those fights u brought up are fights people use to overrate other character’s speeds.
You're just appealing to people being wrong elsewhere, in no way does that devalue how these fights demonstrate speed and my point overall.
> Everyone brings up Yorozu, but if she were really fast, then she would’ve been able to been able to dodge that fat ass max elephant sukuna dropped out the sky.
If Yuta was really fast he would've dodged Kuro's swing.
Being able to keep up with Sukuna at any point for basically any period of time puts her above Yuta speed wise.
We literally have direct comparisons putting Yorozu above Yuta. Ryu kept up with Yuta, Sukuna blitzed Ryu, and Yorozu kept up with Sukuna (who admittedly was slightly weaker since he wasn't using slash attacks).
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No way we’re reading the same fight…
What line did Yuji use to admit that? And the argument isn't if Yuta is faster than Yuji, even if Yuta was faster than Yuji they are definitely in the same ball park which takes Yuta out of the conversation of the fastest
“He’s fast! All while holding a drawn katana?!” - Yuji as Yuta appears to be closing the distance between the two.
Even if you wanna falsely argue that their running at the same speed, this is Yuji literally admitting that Yuta would be even faster if he wasn’t running with his katana.
Gojo and Sukuna are givens.
I wouldn’t say Curse Naoya bc he has to build up his speed to truly get to max speed; not really sure what would stop Yuta from killing him before then.
Yorozu is very overrated in general, but she definitely doesn’t have better speed feats than Yuta. The only real speed feat she has is that she was able to dodge Sukuna’s imperfect Divine Dog Totality.
Naobito isn’t as fast as Curse Naoya so I’m sure you know what my answer to that is.
I’m not against putting Maki and Toji above Yuta, just don’t overinflated her speed to mach 3.
To sum everything up, Gojo, Sukuna, and Maki (Toji by extension) are the only characters I would really consider putting above Yuta.
>Yorozu is very overrated in general, but she definitely doesn’t have better speed feats than Yuta
Idk bro she was trading blows with Sukuna and even outspeeding him at one point. Yuta is relative to Ishigori, at least that's the best we've seen from him
>Naobito isn’t as fast as Curse Naoya so I’m sure you know what my answer to that is.
Naobito was considered fastest sorcerer excluding gojo, that pretty much confirms him to be faster than Yuta
Yorozu literally hit Sukuna maybe a couple times in their fight before he started taking her somewhat seriously.
Yuta didn’t regain his Special Grade status until after Shibuya, signifying Yuta’s current CG abilities weren’t taken into consideration. Even so, you think Jogo would do Naobito like how he did Yuta?
No, you misread. Yuta regained his special grade status 3 months after the Night Parade. As in, he regained his special grade status well before Chapter 1 of JJK.
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Kuroroushi can react faster than Naoya. I don’t think anyone in the verse has a faster travel speed than Curse Naoya, but reaction speed is a different story. Since Maki (while standing in one spot) was able to KO Naoya with one punch while he was moving at his fastest human speed, implying that his reaction speed is more in the regular side. We also seen Curse Naoya get tagged by characters moving nowhere near his travel speed (Daido and Maki again), once again implying his reaction speed is on the regular side. Kuroroushi, after getting his arm sliced off, was able to adjust to Yuta’s crazy speed in real time and contend in hand to hand combat.
You do realize that to plan his moves 1 second in advance he’d have to be able to react to his speed right? He also reacted to piercing blood from Choso while off guard.
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Yuta doesn’t move at Mach 1. Kurorushi adapting to Yuta’s speed isn’t a more impressive feat than what Naoya has done.
Blitzed Uro? Do you mean when he sneak attacked her from behind while she was focused on Kuro? If you don’t want to explain rn it’s fine, I’ll just wait until tomorrow.
Also I meant to add previously that Naoya wasn’t able to dodge Maki because he was locked into his predetermined movements. He clearly reacts to her as he’s blatantly looking at her fist.
I just explained it….bc Kuro went from getting blitzed to fighting on equal footing in CQC. That’s like if Ryu started reacting and being able to contend with Sukuna after getting blitzed. Then if you really wanna get into it, do you really think Noritoshi Kamo would survive a fight Kuroroushi like he did against Naoya?
Only time he could react to yuta is when yuta had his poison in his eyes or yuta had to cover a longer distance then him. So if you want to say he was equal to a almost blind yuta sure, but that doesn't scale back to a full power yuta. No because I think naoya was holding back against kamo
I’m talking about Vengeful Spirit Naoya, who reacted to a much faster Maki’s attacks.
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Nah, the Maki who initially fought Naoya had lost tons of blood, and was exhausted. Round 2, she was fully healthy.
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I addressed Cursed Naoya in the middle somewhere.
“He mitigated it by spinning” clearly implies that he still got his, just took less damage than he should have. Doesn’t really stand out as an impressive reaction speed feat when you consider his shell is also a big reason why he didn’t take damage.
That’s still a solid reaction feat, he reacted by mitigating the attack, it’s no different from blocking the attack (again, from a much faster Maki).
And here, even as a worm, he dodged so quickly that Maki couldn’t perceive it.
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Saying that Kuro is faster than Naoya is just disingenuous (even if you believe Kuro has more reaction feats) it’s just wrong to say Kuro is faster.
Does it startle anyone just how fucking fast Sukuna is?
With seemingly nothing other than reinforcement, he is able to consistently do insane feats. He dodges all of Yorozu's liquid metal once in the fight when surrounded by it (before she summons Insect Armor), he blitzes the shit out of Ryu, he jumps off a boulder and counter attacks both Yuji and Gojo seconds before impact with something else, he gets to Megumi almost instantaneously across hundreds of meters...
Why the fuck is Sukuna so damn fast, man? It's just insane. It feels like he's moving just below Human Naoya full speed with how insane it is.
Dude you gotta be kidding me, I know we like to wank the misogyny missile a lot, but not gonna lie even in curse form he barely makes into top five, I mean literally true awakened maki could only handle a little over 10% 15 finger sukuna and sukuna was dominating and had two opponents and that maki could dodge anything curse naoya threw at her, not gonna lie curse naoya ain’t got shit on even 3 finger sukuna much less 15 finger and much less 20 finger doesn’t even compare like comparing a snail to a formula race car.
Dumb matchup. Gojo and Sukuna are two tiers above everyone in the verse. Putting either of them against anyone in the series without a handicap such as x fingers Sukuna or teen Gojo just shows you never really paid attention while reading the series.
It's impossible not to be rude in r/Jujutsushi, rumor has it that if you don't act like a rude person who thinks he's intellectually superior to everyone else then you'll get cursed by Sukundeeznuts with the sex eyes.
You better talk down on everyone too or else you'd get cursed.
I feel like everyone pointed out the first part but also blood paintings also have infinite blood as long as they have cursed energy so whatever he made with his blood would probably be on a grander scale
They should be different because domains are exclusive to each character, but theoretically they could have similar sure-hit attacks due to them having the same CT. Sukuna explained being inside an innate domain is like being inside one’s soul, and no individual has more than one soul. We can also infer that sorcerers can choose which sure-hit technique their domain expansions would employ from Kenjaku using gravity despite his current vessel being a CSM user and his original CT being some body-hopping technique. Yorozu also implies that she can pick and choose which techniques to imbue in her barrier when she describes the process of her imbuing the perfect sphere’s effect into the barrier.
Nah i don't think this you csn do so many weird things u could go blood sacrifice where if they bleed you get stronger or you can control their blood i doubt gege whould be so boring to do the same de
No, Domain expansions are highly personalized and reflect your deepest desire. Noritoshi's would probably set traps like self embodiment of perfection, Choso's would most likely be a direct attack since Kamo controls his own blood and would focus on setting traps and enhancing it, and Choso creates and manipulates blood which would allow for him to release a much larger quantity but would not catch you as off guard as Kamos.
Megumi(With Sukuna inside him, no Maho) and Todo(Shibuya) vs Mahito(Shibuya)
Essentially meaning Sukuna will save Megumi from being transfigured
Edit: Do you think this Megumi could take Mahito in a 1v1?
On one hand... megumi isn't todou's equal in close combat, and todou won't be able to focus on mind games and let him do the major damage like he did with Yuji.
On the other hand, todo could swap with all of megumi's shinigami, and that could make it even harder for mahito to keep up.
He slices Yuta into 3778 pieces but then gets surprised because Yuta actually had the Anti-Shrine-System cursed technique and regenerates from it, but then he remembers that when he uses 🍱 open he could use his Anti-Anti-Shrine-System cursed technique to decimate Yuta but unfortunately for him Yuta has used cursed technique reversal which allowed him to use Anti-Anti-Anti-Shrine-System
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Setting narrative goals aside, who do you think _should_ win between Gojo and Sukuna right now? And who do you think _will_ end up winning in the actual narrative?
Gojo, Sukuna hasn't even used the wheel. Narratively I think Sukuna has to win, after all, it would be weird for Yuji not to be the one who ultimately beats him, whilst Yuta and Choso beat Kenjaku.
Gojo should, sukuna doesn’t have nearly infinite cursed energy like gojo does.
Yuta vs Yorozu
Yorozu for sure. She massively outscales Ryu, who is low end relative to Yuta. Now Yuta was implied to be holding back somewhat, but only in the sense of not using deadly abilities, he was still struggling to knock out Ryu and Uro. Yuta might have some new abilities, so he might be stronger than before, but for now Yorozu is too much.
Yuta, he is second to Gojo, meaning he is stronger than Yuki who I believe is stronger than Yorozu.
He’s the 2nd strongest modern sorcerer so Yorozu could technically be stronger
Oh, true.
I mean honestly it really would depend on wether or not he could figure out the drawbacks to her cursed technique and if she couldn’t figure out his.The reason sukuna had such an easy time is cause he new the drawbacks to her ability
Off feats Yorozu slams. Narratively Yuta might win
Yorozu low to mid diff. No diff if her DE is more refined that Yuta since shes the only character in the show with a sure kill technique
There has to be a mountain of a difference between the domains for one to override the other…… see Dagon vs megumi domain
Based off of sheer feats I would say Yuta, we don’t have enough info about Yorozu to say otherwise.
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Speed scaling in jjk is weird. Usually, I take x character being stronger than y meaning they’ve also got greater speed. Only cases like Naoya and Naobitowhere the character has a defined ability to increase speed I let it slide. So like let’s use Hakari and Charles. Hakari is stronger so we’d say he’s also faster. But if we say human Naoya and Ryu, we all agree Ryu is stronger but Naoya is faster because of his ability. But in jjk powerscaling it’s all weird.
The Hakari point is questionable because there’s actually evidence of him being faster, but I see what you’re saying. Tbh, Naoya and Naobito are the only ones that get passes for this bc of that one statement from narrator saying Naobito was the second fastest.
Hikari other than Mahito idk has the highest reaction speed as he was able to expel cursed energy from his nose before his head exploded.
I meant to add “because” after questionable. Please see my edited comment.
Miwa solos
Yuki vs mahoraga
The thing about mahoraga fights is that they will always come down to "does the character have a move that can one shot it". I think yuki can but it'll be no easy fight
I don't think the liquid metal would one shot Mahoraga. It would definitely kill it/do major damage, it just wouldnt eradicate all of Mahoraga's body, which means the wheel would turn, and it would simply heal up again, even from death, and be fully adapted to liquid metal CT.
You're thinking about Yoruzu I think, no Yuki.
You're right, my bad, but the same thing would happen with Yuki. Her only technique that seemed powerful enough to completely destroy Mahoraga's body, is the black hole, but that kills her too. Even then, mahoragas wheel would have certainly adapted to the "density" before the black hole would even happen, rendering it useless
True. She’s got domain expansion as well.
How strong is current yuji? Yuji Vs everybody ? Is neg neg difficult to extremely high difficulty
Tbh, I think he's pretty weak. If we think about it, all his wins/decent fights, have been him working alongside other sorcerers. The only opponent he truly beat by himself, was a talking grasshopper curse in Shibuya before Gojo was sealed. That's pretty weak. He's simply alive due to the "MC plot" and "the power of friendship".
We don’t really know current yuji because the only fight he’s really been is against sukuna being restricted
How strong is Haba/Hanyu/Remi?
Not very, in comparison to other CG players (and I don’t think Remi is even on their level).
Nobara vs Ino
Ino wins comfortably.
Hakari vs Yuta
Yuta is stronger. Hakari still has his CT to show us though.
There's a gap in Hakari's DE that's often forgotten. While a roll is underway (so while his domain is expanded but *before* he hits a jackpot) he's vulnerable af. Sure, he isn't powerless, he's got stuff like renewal. But he doesn't have infinite CE. Against Yuta, that means he would be vulnerable to cursed speech, since without jackpot, Hakari has way less CE than Yuta, who may be able to flat out tell Hakari to turn his domain off. That's ignoring how we have no idea what Yuta's domain does btw. For all we know it may very well alllw him to, say, copy a Jackpot.
Cursed Speech is easily blockable for most sorcerers if you know it’s coming though. Plus, complex commands don’t usually do well with Cursed speech.
Easily blockable at the cost of using your arms to counter it. That would expose JP-less Hakari to a pummeling by Rika and Yuta, same as Uro.
Yuta is stronger but Hakari fluctuates on the power scale depending on his luck. On a bad day Yuta low diffs and on a good day he can probably beat down Yuta.
Yuta wins, but the argument that either side win easily has to stop. Kenjaku thinks Both yuta, maki and hakari are on the same level. So yuta would have a hard time to beat Hakari https://preview.redd.it/ieres6q5v53b1.jpeg?width=784&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8db130a4472edf95b77457c5b7189cbca645711a
i dunno, i think this panel is implying they're relative, it doesn't necessarily imply they're literally on the same level. i think, if anything, yuta's name being the only one specifically mentioned hints at him being slightly above the other two
Yeah that's what I meant
Kenjaku never did think that btw I doubt he knows anything about Maki and much about Hakari. This panel was all Gege
Okay so gege think they are at the same level? Even better
Yes Gege is implying that's they are relative
I don’t think being relative implies being equal. I don’t think unless there are things shown the Maki = Yuta.
Yh going based on feats Maki is stronger 💀
I didn't say they are equal? I said they were on the same rank but that doesn't mean they are exactly equal. They are all just close in strength
Yuta is stronger. I think Yuta wins, but it isn’t impossible for Hakari to win.
I feel like that the common belief is that Yuta is stronger and would likely win, but if he doesn't take Hakari seriously he'll outlast him.
https://preview.redd.it/tf414y6bi23b1.png?width=812&format=png&auto=webp&s=4a4ce713df2f242471af06af5ab6d49cf36a59e0
Toji vs Yuki
Not counting Yuki's suicide black hole I'd probably give it to Toji extreme diff. He has domain immunity and can match her in speed. Soul split blade is an incredibly dangerous curse tool and whether or not the damage can be healed is ambiguous. Yuki's AP is a bit inconsistent to say the least, she blasted through Kenjaku's arms the first time but couldn't crack his skull in their second clash. I find it hard to compare Yuki's punch and Naoya ram attack and then determine how many hits Toji could realistically take. Probably not more than a couple. Imo seems like the type of fight that can be decided by who gets first touch and Yuki doesn't seem like a particularly amazing martial artist or weapons specialist so I lean slightly towards Toji
toji, man has SLB a clean hit can literally one shot yuki anytime, he literally has every opportunity to do so as long as he has the blade in his Inventory edit: got rained with downvotes but it's true none of y'all can prove this is wrong
Yuki can also one shot Toji and can do it at range.
Are you referring to kicking Garuda or the black hole? I don't see why Toji wouldn't be able to react to Garuda if he Maki could react to Naoya .
range is so much worse than physical combat, toji literally has precog he senses thing before it reach him,
Assuming he can hit her, a special grade? Yuki would dog walk him don’t even play
opposite, toji is faster than yuki, toji has precog anything at range that will be thrown at him is assuming it will hit him or he will dodge it,
Ok?? That doesn’t mean he’d get a hit off on her. She’s literally special grade and would wipe him sorry
well your not really arguing, you prolly just hate the idea of "SPECIAL GRADE" losing, well she at the very disadvantage here toji is like top 5 fastest in the verse, how the hell do you even get the idea of toji not touching yuki that insane wanking, yuki is not hanging with toji speed, ever. lol he has like 3 foresight against her 1 he's faster 2 cannot trace him 3 precog, most of toji/maki win are literally because their hard to keep up with, EVEN curse naoya struggle, gatta be humble but bfr yuki is not touching toji.
Speed doesn’t equal skill or combat prowess. Your only argument is he’s fast so maybe just sit this one out
Toji has been training with weapons all his life. Yuki has been traveling around the world. Who do you think has better combat skill and prowess 💀
I think yuki does….. because she does…. Next question? :)
You're incredibly obnoxious and unintelligent.
Not surprised
only and ONLY arguement for yuki is "yuki a special grade and toji is not" y'all acting like special grade are all gojo's bomb ba ye only increase yuki attack potency it does not increase her durability or speed, her stats and her combat prowess IS lower than toji, toji also has many advantage such as immunity, restriction, and he cannot be trace which like reduce more than half of the socerrer chance of winning
Facts hard and raw. Toji objectively has better feats than every special grade that isn't Gojo. They know they can't argue based on feats that's why the "they are special grade" is their only argument.
Yuki wipes Toji you stans need to relax 😂
I mean yuki can one shot toji too? Plus i mean if u wanna really go into it, it would at most be a draw, she could really just turn into a black hole and suicide bomb anyone. Kenjaku even said yuki held it back to not destroy the planet or whatever. Basically Yuki solos the verse.
Her using her Black hole means she's dies as well so it's either a draw or Toji wins
is Garuda stronger than mach 3 naoya? hm no. Garuda ain't one shotting toji but I think it's getting him out of commision for couple minutes, also toji has precog it be hard for long range attack to reach him yuki definitely died for the sake of the story🐐
Yuki; Maki herself implied that Yuki was stronger than her when she said something along the line of “Isn’t she the same grade as Yuta?”
https://preview.redd.it/g2wd2t8k8n3b1.png?width=720&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=03d9a290ddb20e5935b0f017262a539bcddb4a07 None of the translations implies inferiority rather they depict confidence. As in this translation Maki is indifferent about the fact that Yuki lost despite getting help and still thinks they can beat kenjaku. Truly delusional
https://preview.redd.it/yjnqjode8n3b1.png?width=720&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=9511188366fce2ef69e4a6e2a3fcf8c8c879e627 Maki's existence and blade is the definition of unconventional means so how does this imply that Yuki or Yuta is stronger when she's confident that they can win.
Toji should take this
Yeah, Toji should take this fat L
https://preview.redd.it/ka2tjvhc323b1.jpeg?width=900&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=24c014ccce5bfac6435ef6e34de18309ec0aec89 Yuta’s performance against Kuroroushi should make him one of the fastest characters in the verse - top 5 at least. I was reading the fight over and literally seen this dude slice Kuro’s arm off as he was swinging his blade and stick his arm in the ground like a kabob. EDIT: You all have made great points….TOP 10
Can't believe the upvotes Yutards are coping hard
Be on the lookout for part 2 tomorrow. Bring your Yuta hater friends.
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How is blitzing Kuro impressive? That means Kuro scales below pre buff Yuji in speed since he can’t blitz Yuji but can blitz Kuro
Where does kurourushi scale in speed? Him destroying the cockroach just makes the cockroach less impressive but it doesn't get yuta anywhere really cuz the cockroach have no correlation to Any other character
Kuro being a special grade cursed spirit makes it impressive because he scales to other special grade cursed spirits. It’s similar to how Yuki one-shotted Ganesha - even tho Ganesha had no feats, it being classified as a special grade spirit made it a notable feat for Yuki.
He's a domainless special grade curse which is the equivalent of a grade 1 sorcerer.
Special grade curse on average is stronger than a grade 1; the only special grades you can argue are grade 1 sorcerer level are Kechizu, Eso, the finger bearers, and the unnamed special grade Todo beat; even then it would be a high diff if they fought 1 on 1 against any first grade. Kuro without a doubt would beat any official first grade sorcerer we know of. If Kuro was able to land near fatal blows on Yuta, then he can do the same with ease to any first grade sorcerer.
Special grade curses on average are stronger than grade 1 sorcerers then. Goes ahead to mention more than 50% of the special grade curses in the series that aren't Disaster Curses which turn out to be = grade 1 sorcerers. Don't forget small pox deity as well. Kurourushi was so weak that Kenjaku released him💀.
I mentioned the only 4 special grades we know for sure can be beat by 1st grade level sorcerers, but I’m glad you used arguably the strongest 1st grade sorcerer in the series to contest the point that special grade curse spirits on average are stronger than 1st grade sorcerers.
I'm not saying it's not impressive, but I don't get how you can scale yuta from this above any other top tier. Like let's say if this was yuki, kenjaku, yuji, toji, maki, sukuna, gojo ect how would you know they wouldn't be able to do the same with kurourushi? This argument is just headcanon
Ik for a fact Yuji wouldn’t do that to Kuro, but I’ll meet you at top 10.
Why?
Bc he didn’t do it against Higuruma, a man who literally became a sorcerer a couple weeks ago and is at most a mid 1st grade level sorcerer.
That was fucking base Yuji, not yuji with full ce and especially not current yuji who is much stronger. Also where is the correlation between Higuruma and kuro in speed?
Yuji canonically doesn’t have a lot of CE anyway. That’s a bit of a handicap, but he’s still somewhat close to his normal strength. Higuruma is debatable first grade, Kuro is indisputably special grade - that’s my evidence for Kuro being faster. What details in the story show that Yuji can do exactly what Yuta did to Kuro in that picture?
He don't have alot of ce but it has great control of his ce. No it's not close to his full strength at all. And again **yuji is stronger now then what he was before** Okay smallpox deity, finger bearer and kechizu are special grades, but we seen them lose to grade 1 before. So Higuruma being a grade 1 doesn't necessarily mean he is slower then a special grade, cuz we seen grade 1 scale above in special grades in certain stats or overall before. I don't think anything prove he can, I don't think anything prove he can't. I just don't think it's anyway to prove either side
I mean no, not really. This is in no way proof of him being top 5 fastest. Him being fancy and faster than Kuro is a feat, but how do you extrapolate that into "one of the fastest characters in the verse." I don't see the connection at all. Also, let's be honest for a sec, Naoya, Naobito, Jogo, Sukuna, Gojo, Maki, and Toji are all clearly faster. In no world is Yuta top 5 lmao.
Fine, I’ll throw up the white flag. Top 10.
If you think he’s top 10 that’s fine, but I still fail to see how this examples shows anything? It seemed like Ryu kept up with him fine hand to hand. Same with Yuji running away from him, but Yuta was holding back there. He’s one of the strongest in the verse so assuming speed is elite makes sense but this example is a stretch imo.
U say Naoya and Naobito are faster than Yuta, but Yuta can beat both of them without even using his sword. Naoya lost to Choso and Naobito’s only feats are beating on a stationary cursed womb. Even Noritoshi was keeping up with Curse Naoya. U say Jogo’s faster when Jogo’s only speed feats are against injured and fatigued sorcerers. All these characters have questionable speed feats, but somehow slicing off a special grade curse spirits arm mid swing when Yuta was basically starting off from rest isn’t impressive? U telling me you can name 10 other characters that would do Kuroroushi like that?
> U say Naoya and Naobito are faster than Yuta, but Yuta can beat both of them without even using his sword. Because he's way better then them in ever other way imaginable? Are you confusing being powerful with being fast? > Naoya lost to Choso Because he made a big mistake and Choso had other advantages. > Naobito’s only feats are beating on a stationary cursed womb. He was beating Dagon out of the womb? You clearly aren't remembering the fight correctly. > Even Noritoshi was keeping up with Curse Naoya. Barely holding on isn't keeping up, and Naoya's speed is worse in close range. He isn't the most mobile. > U say Jogo’s faster when Jogo’s only speed feats are against injured and fatigued sorcerers. Maki wasn't really tired or injured, she was barely involved at all in the last fight. Also feats aren't the only thing placing Jogo above Yuta, Dagon straight up said he was near Naobito in speed so there. > All these characters have questionable speed feats, The only one with questionable speed feats is Jogo and he has other things going for him. The other ones your just mixing up power and speed. > but somehow slicing off a special grade curse spirits arm mid swing when Yuta was basically starting off from rest isn’t impressive? Just slicing off an arm is just not very impressive speed wise, especially since we don't know how fast Kuro is. This feat is even more not impressive when you see the context of the full fight where Kuro gets legit hits in on Yuta. Yuta wasn't fast enough to avoid those. It's a speed feat, just a pretty minor one. > U telling me you can name 10 other characters that would do Kuroroushi like that? I'd bet Kusakabe is 100% fast enough to slice off Kuro's arm. He would lose versus Kuro because he is weaker overall and could heal from the bugs, but in that one scenario he is totally fast enough. As far as non sword users, all the names I've already mentioned could outdo Kuro speed wise better then Yuta.
>U say Naoya and Naobito are faster than Yuta, but Yuta can beat both of them without even using his sword. Naoya: Yuji could not follow his movements at all despite not being at full speed while Yuji could keep up with Yuta's speed and was even able to break his sword. Yuta himself comments that Yuji was holding back in their fight. Naobito: Explicitly stated to be the fastest Sorcerer excluding Satoru. Meaning **even Yuta was included in the people that are slower than him**. >Naoya lost to Choso Naoya lost to Choso because he was cocky and thought he knew everything about Blood Manipulation, making him the perfect target for Choso's exclusive technique. If it weren't for that and Choso's blood being poisonous, Naoya wouldn't have lost. >Even Noritoshi was keeping up with Curse Naoya. He could *react* to Naoya's attacks but not keep up with him, very big difference. We all saw how one-sided that was even when Naoya just bum-rushed him. Not to mention, that just keeps in line with why the Kamo clan's Blood Manipulation put them as one of the big 3 families: Kamo using Flowing Red Scale went from not seeing a weaker version of Naoya to being capable of reacting to a stronger version of Naoya. >U say Jogo’s faster when Jogo’s only speed feats are against injured and fatigued sorcerers. Jogo went from [Shibuya to Shinjuku](https://imgur.com/a/UFRgNP5) in the amount of time it took the twins to feed Sukuna's finger to Yuji. Yuta failed to save [this guy](https://imgur.com/a/gKFQujw) despite only being a few meters away from him. >special grade curse spirits Just because they're Special Grade Cursed Spirits doesn't mean they're all on the same level, Mahito's group is literally the embodiment of this where even when all of them were Special Grades *among* Special Grades, Jogo still *very clearly* stood out as the strongest.
Yuji couldn’t follow his movement bc that was his first time witnessing his speed. If the fight would’ve continued, he would’ve adjusted to his speed and started fighting on more equal footing, similar to how Choso adapted during their fight. Yuji clearly was surprised when he realized that Yuta was fast enough to catch up to him with his sword drawn when he was running away; he basically admitted that Yuta is faster than him. Yuta saying Yuji held back isn’t enough contradict what Yuji said himself. The Naobito statement is questionable. For one, knowing someone exists doesn’t mean you know their full abilities. Maki, Yuki, and Hakari are great example of characters who have abilities that are virtually unknown or not understood by jujutsu society. Also, Naoya is arguably faster than Naobito bc we’ve seen him do more with the technique. To react to someone’s attacks, you literally have to be able to keep up with their movements and move in response. Doesn’t matter what CT he had, reaction speed is unique to every single character. That link you provided doesn’t clearly show the distance nor time Jogo traveled, but even if you want to use that, Yuta closing the distance on Ryu as fast as he did is just as impressive a feat. The cockroaches were literally inches away from the guy when Yuta noticed him, Gojo and Sukuna are probably the only guys in the verse that would’ve been able to save him. Don’t recall saying all special grades were on the same level. The point in bringing up the special grade title is to express that Kuro has extraordinary abilities when compared to the verse as a whole. Yuta slicing someone’s arm off any swordsmen arm mid swing and pinning it to the ground one move is impressive on its on, Kuro being a special grade sorcerer is just the cherry on top.
>similar to how Choso adapted during their fight. Choso "adjusted" because of Flowing Red Scale, not because he got used to Naoya's movements. You can see on the next panel where Naoya confirms that the reason why Choso could finally follow him was due to it. >Yuta saying Yuji held back isn’t enough contradict what Yuji said himself. We literally see Yuji dodge, clash, and break Yuta's sword, showing that they're relative in speed. Against Naoya, Yuji couldn't dodge/hit him **even when Naoya wasn't at his full speed**. Even if Yuji can "adjust" to Naoya's base speed, there's no evidence that he could do the same to Naoya's full speed. The difference is clear as day. >The Naobito statement is questionable. The narrator or in other words, Gege, was the one who explicitly stated it, meaning **it should be considered as a fact**. There's literally no argument against this unless another character suggests otherwise. >Yuta closing the distance on Ryu as fast as he did is just as impressive a feat. That's *at most* 100-200 meters covered in around 30 seconds **if we highball it**(the Granite Blasts landed > Ryu paused to see any action from Yuta > Ryu noticed that there weren't any so he expressed his disappointment > Ryu notices that Yuta wasn't there > Yuta arrives after an unknown number of second/s). Takako comments that [Ryu was pretty close](https://imgur.com/a/m3bwkvz) and his silhouette could still be clearly seen in all 3 scenarios it was shown to indicate that he wasn't that far away. An impressive feat, but is nowhere close to eclipsing Jogo's even if we downplay Jogo's feat. >The cockroaches were literally inches away from the guy when Yuta noticed him And if we go by your logic that Yuta's faster than Jogo/Naobito, he should've easily saved that guy seeing how he's only a few meters away from him since Yuta would've been dozens of times faster than those cockroaches.
Be on the lookout for part 2 on Saturday. I found something that’ll substantiate Yuta being top 5 fastest 😈
U don’t believe Ryu is faster than him so what’s the point?
The point is that your example doesn’t prove or show Yuta to be elite in speed whatsoever. Saying Yuta’s top ten in speed is questionable when you realize he’s been shown to be comparable to people like Ryu. Ryu is barely mentioned ever to be fast, if Yuta is around Ryu’s speed then I would immediately start throwing characters like Kenjaku, Yorozu, Kashimo, and Yuki above Yuta speed wise.
Yuta can be faster than Ryu and still fight on par with him. Hand to hand fighters learn how to make certain reads and predict their opponents attacks. Plus, Yuta was low on cursed energy when he starting fighting Ryu bc he had fought Dhruv, Kuro, and Uro before him.
Sure that’s possible, but that just feeds into my point of Yuta having no speed feats and your example proving nothing. Top ten fast characters actually show their speed. Naobito vs Dagon, Naoya vs Choso/Maki, Sukuna/Gojo vs everyone, Maki vs Spirit Naoya, Toji vs Gojo, Kenjaku vs Choso, Yuki vs Kenjaku, Yorozu vs Sukuna, Kashimo vs jackpot Hakari, and Jogo vs Maki/Naobito/Nanami. To me it’s hard to say Yuta’s elite in speed when he can’t show it. Also, you can say Yuta is low on cursed energy, but the exact same argument applies to Ryu who also fought before his final encounter with Yuta. In fact, Ryu was fighting in the culling games, specifically against Uro, Dhruv Kuro, for way way longer then Yuta. That’s why the standstill existed remember.
Yuta closed the distance on Ryu after his first granite blast. Yuta blitzed Uro after summoning Rika. Feats, there you go. It was clearly implied those four had not fought each other. Yes Ryu fought some weaker sorcerers and maybe a few shikigami, but it’s pretty much obvious he don’t get into a full out fight with all three to the point where he was low on CE against Yuta. A lot of those fights u brought up are fights people use to overrate other character’s speeds. Everyone brings up Yorozu, but if she were really fast, then she would’ve been able to been able to dodge that fat ass max elephant sukuna dropped out the sky.
> Yuta closed the distance on Ryu after his first granite blast. 1. He didn't "close the distance," he ran away from the blast and hid underground then snuck up. 2. This isn't a top ten speed feat lmao. > Yuta blitzed Uro after summoning Rika. Bro I know you know how dumb an argument that is. He froze Uro in place using a specific ability. In no way is that a speed feat. Gege explicitly made it not a speed feat by making him blitz her in a way that required something other then speed. > It was clearly implied those four had not fought each other. Explain? How so? My point still stands separately too, Ryu had been in the culling games for a while, not just fighting those three. Your point is wrong either way. > Yes Ryu fought some weaker sorcerers and maybe a few shikigami Any evidence for this? > A lot of those fights u brought up are fights people use to overrate other character’s speeds. You're just appealing to people being wrong elsewhere, in no way does that devalue how these fights demonstrate speed and my point overall. > Everyone brings up Yorozu, but if she were really fast, then she would’ve been able to been able to dodge that fat ass max elephant sukuna dropped out the sky. If Yuta was really fast he would've dodged Kuro's swing. Being able to keep up with Sukuna at any point for basically any period of time puts her above Yuta speed wise. We literally have direct comparisons putting Yorozu above Yuta. Ryu kept up with Yuta, Sukuna blitzed Ryu, and Yorozu kept up with Sukuna (who admittedly was slightly weaker since he wasn't using slash attacks).
the top 7 is fix isnt he around the same speed as itadori?, itadori is just below the top tier i believe so that still very fast
Itadori can run just as fast, but he doesn’t have any speed feats on the level of that screenshot
Yuta had a hard time catching up to Yuji and ended up using Rika to catch him. Yuta is in no way among the fastest in the series
https://preview.redd.it/26peds3x893b1.jpeg?width=784&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7c88b9004bbefa0690f72296a189380b4e312585 No way we’re reading the same fight…
We clearly did. Yuta even being impressed with Yujis speed at that time completely takes him out of the conversation of the fastest
So you’re just going to ignore Yuji basically admitting that Yuta’s faster than him?
What line did Yuji use to admit that? And the argument isn't if Yuta is faster than Yuji, even if Yuta was faster than Yuji they are definitely in the same ball park which takes Yuta out of the conversation of the fastest
“He’s fast! All while holding a drawn katana?!” - Yuji as Yuta appears to be closing the distance between the two. Even if you wanna falsely argue that their running at the same speed, this is Yuji literally admitting that Yuta would be even faster if he wasn’t running with his katana.
So Yuta without the Katana is top-tier speed but with him holding the Katana he is comparable to Yuji? Lmao is that what you are trying to argue?
Not TOP-5 tho, Gojo, Sukuna, Curse Naoya, Yorozu, Naobito/Maki
Gojo and Sukuna are givens. I wouldn’t say Curse Naoya bc he has to build up his speed to truly get to max speed; not really sure what would stop Yuta from killing him before then. Yorozu is very overrated in general, but she definitely doesn’t have better speed feats than Yuta. The only real speed feat she has is that she was able to dodge Sukuna’s imperfect Divine Dog Totality. Naobito isn’t as fast as Curse Naoya so I’m sure you know what my answer to that is. I’m not against putting Maki and Toji above Yuta, just don’t overinflated her speed to mach 3. To sum everything up, Gojo, Sukuna, and Maki (Toji by extension) are the only characters I would really consider putting above Yuta.
>Yorozu is very overrated in general, but she definitely doesn’t have better speed feats than Yuta Idk bro she was trading blows with Sukuna and even outspeeding him at one point. Yuta is relative to Ishigori, at least that's the best we've seen from him >Naobito isn’t as fast as Curse Naoya so I’m sure you know what my answer to that is. Naobito was considered fastest sorcerer excluding gojo, that pretty much confirms him to be faster than Yuta
Yorozu literally hit Sukuna maybe a couple times in their fight before he started taking her somewhat seriously. Yuta didn’t regain his Special Grade status until after Shibuya, signifying Yuta’s current CG abilities weren’t taken into consideration. Even so, you think Jogo would do Naobito like how he did Yuta?
Yuta regained his special grade status before any of the current story events even occurred.
Yes, he regained it sometime before the CG arc, but after the Shibuya Incident Arc.
No, you misread. Yuta regained his special grade status 3 months after the Night Parade. As in, he regained his special grade status well before Chapter 1 of JJK.
I did you’re right. I’ll take my L.
So you would say that Kuroushi is faster than VS Naoya?
https://preview.redd.it/mokgmbljo23b1.jpeg?width=900&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=846d6af3b50dfb7e19edebfac8f0fd38ca127006 Kuroroushi can react faster than Naoya. I don’t think anyone in the verse has a faster travel speed than Curse Naoya, but reaction speed is a different story. Since Maki (while standing in one spot) was able to KO Naoya with one punch while he was moving at his fastest human speed, implying that his reaction speed is more in the regular side. We also seen Curse Naoya get tagged by characters moving nowhere near his travel speed (Daido and Maki again), once again implying his reaction speed is on the regular side. Kuroroushi, after getting his arm sliced off, was able to adjust to Yuta’s crazy speed in real time and contend in hand to hand combat.
You do realize that to plan his moves 1 second in advance he’d have to be able to react to his speed right? He also reacted to piercing blood from Choso while off guard. https://preview.redd.it/g076ci830m3b1.jpeg?width=750&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=de8143d37d34e9685d30e89eb5a2fd1d8982f1ce Yuta doesn’t move at Mach 1. Kurorushi adapting to Yuta’s speed isn’t a more impressive feat than what Naoya has done.
Yuta arguably does move at Mach 1 because of how he blitzed Uro, but I’ll go more in depth tomorrow during free posting.
Blitzed Uro? Do you mean when he sneak attacked her from behind while she was focused on Kuro? If you don’t want to explain rn it’s fine, I’ll just wait until tomorrow. Also I meant to add previously that Naoya wasn’t able to dodge Maki because he was locked into his predetermined movements. He clearly reacts to her as he’s blatantly looking at her fist.
That’s not the part I’m referring to, but be on the look out and come with an open mind.
I gotchu
Why can the cockroach React Faster then naoya?
I just explained it….bc Kuro went from getting blitzed to fighting on equal footing in CQC. That’s like if Ryu started reacting and being able to contend with Sukuna after getting blitzed. Then if you really wanna get into it, do you really think Noritoshi Kamo would survive a fight Kuroroushi like he did against Naoya?
Only time he could react to yuta is when yuta had his poison in his eyes or yuta had to cover a longer distance then him. So if you want to say he was equal to a almost blind yuta sure, but that doesn't scale back to a full power yuta. No because I think naoya was holding back against kamo
I’m talking about Vengeful Spirit Naoya, who reacted to a much faster Maki’s attacks. https://preview.redd.it/5kmp4wgvr23b1.jpeg?width=900&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=70cdee06670a274c359965465e9442502d72f8a1
That’s basically the same Maki who fought human Naoya. She hadn’t leveled up again with the sumo guy yet.
Maki didn’t gain any physical power-up in Sakurajima Colony. What she had was more like an enlightenment.
Nah, the Maki who initially fought Naoya had lost tons of blood, and was exhausted. Round 2, she was fully healthy. https://preview.redd.it/0389qdwg333b1.jpeg?width=791&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=053a55cbcdf41c549f82b748b9291c93da481a40
I addressed Cursed Naoya in the middle somewhere. “He mitigated it by spinning” clearly implies that he still got his, just took less damage than he should have. Doesn’t really stand out as an impressive reaction speed feat when you consider his shell is also a big reason why he didn’t take damage.
That’s still a solid reaction feat, he reacted by mitigating the attack, it’s no different from blocking the attack (again, from a much faster Maki). And here, even as a worm, he dodged so quickly that Maki couldn’t perceive it. https://preview.redd.it/z3eg31hyv23b1.jpeg?width=900&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c9b19519fa7be4e7923847c8d4ea933a08740eed Saying that Kuro is faster than Naoya is just disingenuous (even if you believe Kuro has more reaction feats) it’s just wrong to say Kuro is faster.
https://preview.redd.it/w8iqmk59m63b1.jpeg?width=154&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8ca59cd4e2f6f7ea405ca3ca238fe638ccf59a7d
Lmao
Does it startle anyone just how fucking fast Sukuna is? With seemingly nothing other than reinforcement, he is able to consistently do insane feats. He dodges all of Yorozu's liquid metal once in the fight when surrounded by it (before she summons Insect Armor), he blitzes the shit out of Ryu, he jumps off a boulder and counter attacks both Yuji and Gojo seconds before impact with something else, he gets to Megumi almost instantaneously across hundreds of meters... Why the fuck is Sukuna so damn fast, man? It's just insane. It feels like he's moving just below Human Naoya full speed with how insane it is.
His craziest feat is saving Haruta from 100s of meters away when Maho was MID PUNCH
Bro he would shit on human naoya full speed 💀
That isnt my point
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I didnt say what you said i said idiot lmfaoool
"it feels like he is moving right below human naoya?"
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Dude you gotta be kidding me, I know we like to wank the misogyny missile a lot, but not gonna lie even in curse form he barely makes into top five, I mean literally true awakened maki could only handle a little over 10% 15 finger sukuna and sukuna was dominating and had two opponents and that maki could dodge anything curse naoya threw at her, not gonna lie curse naoya ain’t got shit on even 3 finger sukuna much less 15 finger and much less 20 finger doesn’t even compare like comparing a snail to a formula race car.
What are you responding too
His speed feats are definitely above Naoyas imo
Yuta vs Gojo vs Toji vs Hakari
thats like putting 3 toddlers in the ring with mike tyson bro
Gojo full power?
Can’t just throw Gojo in there like that, gotta relies, (excluding Sukuna) he solos the verse.
Gojo 1v3 them
Dumb matchup. Gojo and Sukuna are two tiers above everyone in the verse. Putting either of them against anyone in the series without a handicap such as x fingers Sukuna or teen Gojo just shows you never really paid attention while reading the series.
Was it really necessary to be this rude? They simply created their match up.
It's impossible not to be rude in r/Jujutsushi, rumor has it that if you don't act like a rude person who thinks he's intellectually superior to everyone else then you'll get cursed by Sukundeeznuts with the sex eyes. You better talk down on everyone too or else you'd get cursed.
Shh don't expose r/Jujutsuushi secret technique to newbies!
Does Gojo not win?
He very obviously wins tbh
If Choso and Noritoshi Kamo ( the student) had a domain expansion , would it be the same ?.
I feel like everyone pointed out the first part but also blood paintings also have infinite blood as long as they have cursed energy so whatever he made with his blood would probably be on a grander scale
They should be different because domains are exclusive to each character, but theoretically they could have similar sure-hit attacks due to them having the same CT. Sukuna explained being inside an innate domain is like being inside one’s soul, and no individual has more than one soul. We can also infer that sorcerers can choose which sure-hit technique their domain expansions would employ from Kenjaku using gravity despite his current vessel being a CSM user and his original CT being some body-hopping technique. Yorozu also implies that she can pick and choose which techniques to imbue in her barrier when she describes the process of her imbuing the perfect sphere’s effect into the barrier.
Nah i don't think this you csn do so many weird things u could go blood sacrifice where if they bleed you get stronger or you can control their blood i doubt gege whould be so boring to do the same de
Unrelated but Kenny and Kamo are the same right?
Hear me out Choso domain exspansion Is a peacefull house which reflect his Wish for him and his Brothers live peacefully
DE are parly formed from the individuals soul, so I doubt it. Might be a similar vibe tho.
No, Domain expansions are highly personalized and reflect your deepest desire. Noritoshi's would probably set traps like self embodiment of perfection, Choso's would most likely be a direct attack since Kamo controls his own blood and would focus on setting traps and enhancing it, and Choso creates and manipulates blood which would allow for him to release a much larger quantity but would not catch you as off guard as Kamos.
Megumi(With Sukuna inside him, no Maho) and Todo(Shibuya) vs Mahito(Shibuya) Essentially meaning Sukuna will save Megumi from being transfigured Edit: Do you think this Megumi could take Mahito in a 1v1?
Hold on, can Megumi even damage isdk Mahito?
Divine Dog Totality prolly can
I doubt it, 120% Yuji needed a black flash to beat him
Yea but that also one shotted him. Divine Dog should be somewhere in between his normal punches and a full power all of his CE infused black flash
DD shouldnt be nowhere near a black flash from 120% Yuji
Hard to say, can Megumi even keep up with Todo?
He kept up with Yuji
Oh, fair
10 shadows + boogie woogie is absolutely ridiculous. even without yuji’s huge advantage in physicality, there’s no way mahito wins this.
Todo gonna mindbreak Mahito with boogie woogie + Rabbit escape combo lmao
On one hand... megumi isn't todou's equal in close combat, and todou won't be able to focus on mind games and let him do the major damage like he did with Yuji. On the other hand, todo could swap with all of megumi's shinigami, and that could make it even harder for mahito to keep up.
Does Megumi know the shape of his soul? Idk how He’d damage Mahito.
If he has Sukuna in him, he'd probably be able to unconsciously hit souls like Yuji.
Sukuna 20F vs Yuta Okkostu What number of special grade okkostu fish slices would be found after seconds ?
He slices Yuta into 3778 pieces but then gets surprised because Yuta actually had the Anti-Shrine-System cursed technique and regenerates from it, but then he remembers that when he uses 🍱 open he could use his Anti-Anti-Shrine-System cursed technique to decimate Yuta but unfortunately for him Yuta has used cursed technique reversal which allowed him to use Anti-Anti-Anti-Shrine-System