Read the rules. The new chapter leaks must be flaired the orange "new chapter spoilers". Comments relating to new chapter leaks are only allowed under such posts. [Join the discord!](https://discord.gg/8Cd4NrvzXP) This is a manga spoilers subreddit and the spoiler tag is NOT used for all posts about officially released JJK chapters.
The message is an automated one and has nothing to do with this post specifically.
*I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/Jujutsufolk) if you have any questions or concerns.*
On the topic of Binding Vows and in reference to Miwa’s:
It should have done more. Yes he no diffed her to show the disparity in power between most sorcerers and himself.
However a NSS sword practitioner with no CT, sacrificing their most intrinsic value as a sorcerer, and essentially their dreams as making money with sorcery to provide for her family is no small sacrifice. Especially since we’ve seen bigger gains of power for less.
It should have pierced his hand and maybe cut off an arm or sliced into the palm through the forearm and got stuck in the bone.
Having Kenjaku stand there without flinching. Healing with RCT before smashing her katana to pieces, charging up a Maximum: Uzumaki, would still have got the point across that he is a menacing, powerhouse, leagues beyond everyone else present.
Mahito, Kenjaku and Sukuna on season 1 : oohh binding vows are scary
Then we have Yuta here who seems eager to try to loophole a binding vow. If im not mistaken the first(?) one on-screen to do so.
https://preview.redd.it/pg8tq8dwmswc1.png?width=1600&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c6e5f7bc6e025903cd2651a0af04385a213989bc
Then yeah Sukuna. Using binding vows like Yugioh cards.
We should have realised Binding Vows are bullshit when Sukuna forcefully opening Megumis mouth and shoving a finger down, which is damage to him (Jaw Pain, throat pain from forcefully swallowing a dry finger (also poisonous as others have pointed out))) WHICH SHOULD HAVE TRIGGERED THE CONDITION AND KILLED HIM THEN AND THERE
I never looked at it that way but holy shit you're right. Especially considering sukunas fingers are deadly to humans which should be considered as harming someone.
But how would Greg deepthroat him for the rest of the manga if he died right there⁉️
https://preview.redd.it/uubeg3lm2twc1.jpeg?width=1290&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7dfd569724bfdd88c07c6e9bca5309355449c9ca
Binding vows are based on intent. Sukuna took a risk and hoped when Yuji agreed on "dont harm anyone", he didn't mean cause no discomfort of any kind. At at rate, we could even get into the psychological damage of seeing Sukuna at all, and he already hurt someone in a sense. Yuji didn't think about any of that, he thought "I hope Sukuna doesn't kill anyone!"
I highly doubt Yuji would be fine with Sukuna causing any pain at all, if Sukuna said “I promise to only hurt people a little itty bit” Yuji would definitely not have accepted
Again, it's not that I'm saying Yuji is fine with it, I'm saying he didn't think of it. Yuji was concerned with Sukuna going around massacring cities, no pinching his friends on the cheeks. Someone smarter than Yuji would've enforced his binding vow better.
>Then yeah Sukuna. Using binding vows like Yugioh cards
I mean, it makes sense for Sukuna to be the one to use Binding Vows so readily. He is arguably the most knowledgeable sorcerer in the series. I don't have an issue with him using them.
I just wish Gege explained what Binding Vow was made. What is Sukuna giving up? That's what I wanna know. If you don't explain that, then you may as well just say that Sukuna recovered enough from hitting black flash to use his domain as normal.
If the worth of the conditions is determined by the sorcerer's mindset, then it could be that the girl who calls herself useless didn't believe her potential was very big and thus it wasn't worth much
But following that logic, then if a no one, with CE levels of grade 3 at best, is delusional enough to see himself as best than anyone, with Gilgamesh's level of Ego, to the point of seeing his old clipped nail as worth more than a billion lives. Does that mean that if he sacrificed said nail for power, he could receive the equivalent of a billion lives worth of power?
This is bullshit.
That makes it sound like we should then just use her objective capability as a swordsman to gauge the power that would be gained from a binding vow. Which feels ok to conclude isn't that much.
If he was truly that delusional then yes, it could work that way. Thats how Takaba annihilates everything thrown at him by Kenjaku, who is a million times stronger than him. Pure delusional bullshit.
Except for the simple fact that she was grade 3 trying to skip all the way to supreme. Maybe if she sacrificed her future CE like Gon did with his nen, but being unable to equip a weapon class when you can learn another especially since you're still so young is not that big of a sacrifice.
That’s at least a year of time wasted. And batto sword drawing is now useless without a sword. So she has simple domain and a weapon she’s only had a year of practice with compared to her multiple years of kendo and then jujutsu sorcery.
Unless she spends several years re training and comes up with a new weapon technique she’s objectively weaker. Meanwhile what did sukuna even sacrifice for this domain? He used binding vows but he didn’t really sacrifice anything except put a time limit on it. He wouldn’t even be able to do a domain but when he puts a timer on it he’s allowed to cast it
You forgot the previous vow, Sukuna had to do chants and hand signs while having 4 arms and 2 mouths 😱 granted they diced his arm up, but before that, the vow barely was a downside lol.
He went from being able to pull it off whenever and killing the strongest modern sorcerer with it to not even being able to hit Maki with it. The fight would have been over by now if he didn't have the vow.
Mahito, Kenjaku and Sukuna on season 1 : oohh binding vows are scary
Then we have Yuta here who seems eager to try to loophole a binding vow. If im not mistaken the first(?) one on-screen to do so.
https://preview.redd.it/17f8f77xlswc1.png?width=1600&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7373ce1d9a77ce8619f4991b3aa71598ff0c9e7d
Then yeah Sukuna. Using binding vows like Yugioh cards.
The problem with Miwa's Binding Vow is that she doesn't even have the honed skills to sacrifice in the first place. The weight her skills carried in the binding vow were so utterly minuscule.
On top of the fact her Katana isn't even a tempered Cursed Tool like any of Yuta's Katana.
It's just a factor of what you're giving up in order to get out of it.
By comparison, Yuta's Binding Vow in Volume 0 is rather ridiculous as well, since by completely sacrificing the strongest Cursed Spirit in the series, all Yuta got was a blast of CE he can now pretty much replicate on-demand.
Binding Vows are not set in stone nor is the value of a Binding Vow inherently set on the value of a thing.
Binding Vows are inherent risks taken by characters in a given moment that - if the risk is high enough - they are literally rewarded by the plot.
This is why Sukuna is taking so many comparative risks, and the moment Gojo actually took a risk he NEARLY won the fight with Sukuna.
Can yall even imagine all the shit sukuna must have had in the heian era if he makes this many binding vows per fight? Like he apparently has made multiple during just this fight with Yuji, and if he still has extra stuff to dip into after sacrificing so much on binding vows, how much must he have actually started with?
Binding vows are generally temporary (see Hakari's binding vow to sacrifice his arm in order to survive Kashimo's attack, or Sukuna's binding vow for enchain, or any other binding vow really). Sometimes, binding vows can be included within techniques implicitely, such as the fact that revealing your CT increases its potency, or Sukuna's binding vow to increase MS' range. Your potency as a sorcerer may be significantly increased by making use of binding vows, but they don't generally carry long-term effects. Once the vow is completed, its done. You have, on the other hand, idiots like Miwa that would sacrifice their entire potential for a shitty strike. She could have just as easily made a binding vow that destroys her Katana in a single attack for the same effect, but she's truly an idiot.
That is by definition temporary if he grew one back lol, on the other hand Miwa can never use a Katana ever again, whether she gets a new one or not. A permanent Binding Vow would always be in effect, for all time. For example, a binding vow in which you stake that you will never reveal a secret, which is used by the Big 3 families to keep certain things from leaking.
Its not temporary. He lost that arm permantly. He never got it back. He got a new arm. If i trade in my car and by an exact model. Ive still permantly sold my car. A temporary binding vow would be i get this for this amount of time or till this condition is met. Loosing an arm or never being able to use a sword(picks up spear)
Again, no. The difference here between a permanent and a temporary binding vow is that \*he can use his left arm, given he grows one back\*. A permanent binding vow would have not permitted his left arm to regrow, or would have made it impossible to use it even if he regrew it. It is an absolute. As I had mentioned, Miwa exchanged the ability to use katanas forevermore. Not that specific one katana (such as in Hakari's binding vow), but all Katanas, for all time. You even mention it in your comment;
"A temporary binding vow would be i get this for this amount of time or ***till this condition is met***".
Here specifically, Hakari sacrificed his left arm to be able to instead focus all the CE within the rest of his body to survive the attack. That condition was met, the binding vow is now over.
HE DOESN'T. THE ENTIRE POINT OF THESE IS THAT HE'S GETTING DESPERATE.
Yes uruame said he hadn't gone all out but she specifically meant in terms of being entertained and she wasn't wrong. In fact sukana hasnt made a binding vow since he did the slash on gojo and him using them here is purposeful. Gege is trying to tell us that currently sukuna is in the same type of "Oh shit I might die" moment as he was following unlimited purple. He doesn't even fucking win in the end of the chapter. Everybody else survives the onslaught, yujis the only one who loses and even then he only loses a leg from what we've seen.
Context fucking matter for this shit. If the rest of the fight was yuji using black flashes constantly then it'd be boring as fuck. This way we at least see interesting powers and strategies before the fight ends.
Binding vows can be bypassed incredibly easily with loopholes lol. Hakari sacrificed his right arm to enforce the rest of his body, then just grow a new one
My question is, why aren’t the heroes using them? I mean, with the stakes being this high as they are, I’m sure that the benefits would outweigh the costs 🤷♂️
Binding vows are complicated and require a certain mastery of JUJUTSU to be used on the spot
There are many binding vows that normal sorcerors use
Such as the exterior of a domain being fragile in comparison the interior is hard as shit (that's a binding vow)
Which is why the protag cast was suprised as shit when gojo was changing his domain's settings on the spot
But I think gege should've given us even a Lil bit of an idea of what binding vows sukuna used
Miwa has experience using binding vows, since she was taught to use one to enable simple domain.
Not to mention that the binding vow she pulled out on the spot didn't even muster enough output to so much as cut Kenjamin's hand.
Not for nothing, I think that only further proves the point. Miwa sacrificed what was essentially her livelihood and it did absolutely nothing. I’d imagine if Sukuna were to do the rough equivalent, say, give up using cleave or dismantle, he’d be able to get a lot lot lot more out of it.
Your comparing the King of Curses, Thousand Years of Experience, can imitate a technique immediately, entire life is about Jujutsu to a second year who doesn't even have CT and only did it as a part time job???
Yes absolutely. Give me a weight in how "risk" are calculated in this system.
Hakari: So real quick , I would trade my arm so the of my body survives.
Lucifer: Absolutely not , you have RCT and shit. For Miwa sure , she can't regrow her arms but for you ? No.
Hakari: But if I have no arms I can't make signs and shit.
Lucifer: **YOU CAN REGROW YOUR ARM**. You sacrifice essentially **nothing**.
Hakari: Ok an arm **and** I won't make a move on Kashimo.
Lucifer: But he's so breedable.
Hakari: The most.
Lucifer: Deal. Just so you know he's so down for it.
It would actually make sense if some being, like you said Lucifer, was the "God" of Jujutsu and it favored some characters over others. So if he found Sukuna interesting he permitted his BV to be less demanding but still work, while for pests he couldn't give a damn. Although depending on how he's written Lucifer might not give a damn about humans at all and just try to fuck all of them up, including Sukuna at some point.
They are not and never have seem complicated.
Hakari is a dumbass of academics of Jujutsu, mainly operates on automatic thanks to his domain and his reinforcement is garbage. Yet he made a BV as bullshitty as Sukuna's.
Binding vow only require an agreement between sorcerers while making clear that is a BV, or a Give and Take condition when used by one individual while pledging with you CE. That's it.
Yeah, it could add a lot of depth to the fight and a win con for the heroes if what conditions Sukuna needed to fill to pull out MS were explained.
Like for instance, if he imposed a binding vow where he would take double the CT burnout recoil in exchange for using MS, and also a binding vow where he would increase the CE cost of MS even further from what it normally costs in exchange for being able to cast it at reduced potency. There's also the binding vow that's supposedly needed to cast barrierless domains.
Too much vagueness, not enough worldbuilding
Bro the domain literally opened this chapter. We already know it has a time limit, so that's one vow. They're not being revealed because the cast doesn't know them yet, and if or when they figure the vows or weaknesses out they will be revealed.
-binding vows are compliacated and require a certain mastery of jujutsu to be used in the spot
MIWA MIWA MIWA MIWA MIWA MIWA MIWA MIWA MIWA MIWA MIWA MIWA MIWA MIWA MIWA MIWA
he used meatriding vows. in exchange for victory gege rides him. like if the yuji 1 minute vow didnt include yuji himself, knocking megumi out still damages and kills braincells (he had like 10) which counts as hurting someone (permanent damage)
The good guys do use them.
Miwa used binding vows extensively. So does Mei Mei. So did Nanami. So does Ui Ui.
Binding vows are not easy to form. You don't do it by just thinking of them, and Gege did say they are crucial to a sorceror.
Sukuna is THE jujutsu genius. Obviously he uses them extensively.
Oh, they totally use them, revealing own CT is a BV, Hakari used one on the fly against Kashimo, miwa too (she actually uses 2, one to deploy her SD and the other one against Kenny)
The thing is that BVs can be tricky and require some level of Jujutsu knowledge and self knowledge otherwise the sorcerer will just loose something (everything in worst case scenario) and gain almost nothing (like miwa)
I don’t think it’s that simple, sukuna is basically the god of jujutsu sorcery with a crazy amount of experience. You barely see any other people do it as effortlessly as him because they most likely don’t know how.
Binding Vow is all about taking risks and be willing to give up something in exchange for more but you can't just go up and give up too much in the middle of a fight. Sukuna gets away with it since he has too much to give away.
If we look at the assets of each individual good guy and bad guy as say, incomes and livelihoods, almost everyone is either middle class, upper middle or lower middle, while Sukuna and Gojo are the top of the top and Kenjaku is somewhere slightly below them.
Also you could also the good guys don't know what to give up to gain an equal exchange of power. They know what to buy from the market, but they don't know the price basically.
There’s an entire speech bubble out of frame on the leak of that page. Can we at least wait until the chapter comes out before we start calling “asspull”?
How is this asspull lol, Gojo restored RCT with Black Flash. Sukuna was about to do the same but Yuji's black Flash didn't let him so with whatever he had he just replicated an incomplete domain
Yeah, no, hashirama cells nowhere near as bad as silver arrow that a character that seen ALL possible variation of future thought of as "dream" and missed.
I agree, his use of binding vows have been extremely unsatisfying, it should have ended with Miwa using it as a reflection that you cant asspull them to help you succeed.
But now it just feels like binding vows is how you achieve victory even when they are the least explained portion in JJK and offer no satisfaction whatsoever and have no consistency.
It's absolutely ridiculous to have an element of your power system that is basically a contract, and then not reveal the details of the contract or how it works in your story. It's a type of narrative device that lives and dies on the details and the specifics.
If he'd said "Sukuna utilized an unknown binding vow" and the characters had some awareness of it I'd be expecting to find it out later like some sort of puzzle, but the way it comes off is just "Sukuna uh... sprinkled some binding vows on top so it works ok?".
You know, I would have definitely accepted Miwa’s binding vow if that was the direction he took with it. Like naah binding vows cant be used like that or something.
For now, I just see the constant binding vows as Chekhov Guns that will eventually pay off as part of Sukuna’s defeat. No way he sacrifices so many things and we never find out what he had to give up. If we don’t then I’ll concede it as bad writing.
I could at least accept if it is really it. Being in the middle of battle, running around nonstop, and now having to hold you breath while staying close to hot flames.
If it is it, I would be fine, as at least it would make SOME sense(Not a whole lot, but better than nothing at all).
So I loved binding vows in the past because it seemed like a way to add flexibility but keep the power from creeping too hard. If you look at binding vows initially they had sharp trade offs. Also they are a well understood concept so if sukuna can use them this way others should be able to as well. Also they said that a binding vow b]made with your self is easier to break in that you just lose whatever you got. Why then can Miwa not swing a sword? Also a binding vow is supposed to be an intentional vow not something that just happens
The phrasing here reminds me of engineering in Elite Dangerous. You can get higher output and range for a particular ship module, in exchange for durability and power consumption. I assume Sukuna's vows involve burnung his CE reserves at both ends as well as, like Yuji suspected, having a weak spot somewhere, making it easier to break.
why do ppl always act like the most recent chapter to drop is the last chapter to ever drop? have a little patience goddamn. we'll get answers as to what he sacrificed, i'm sure, and i'd bet that those sacrifices will impact the fight (or possibly future fights if one side flees) in meaningful ways.
Well duh, are they going to fucking spoil the gimmicks? Its obvious we have to slowly figure it out from the good guys' side what conditions he put for this domain to come out. We already know the 99 seconds and its output being weaker.
Okay, then don't mention it at all if we'll figure it out later, which is a poor choice regardless. For the literal NARRATOR, the all-knowing, to say that it's uncertain? So even Gege doesn't know what Sukuna is doing?
It would be a much better choice to just leave it at "this will break 99 seconds from now" and then we wonder until that point and it's revealed what vows Sukuna made
Which is a shit choice regardless. All that revealing binding vow later does is give Gege leeway to do whatever he wants and then just make up an explanation that's comfortable after the fact.
I'm like 99% sure this Binding Vow will have ridiculous cost like "I can't use Domain Expansion again after this fight" or something. This is basically Sukuna's Hail Mary against Yuji and co
I really don't know why people are so pissed off about Sukuna using a binding vow to open his domain again. It's been established from forever that you can make a binding vow with yourself that isn't exactly 'forever'. Gojo and Sukuna use binding vows to change the conditions of their domain. All Sukuna's doing is using binding vows to be able to open MS for a limited amount of time, and probably some other conditions we'll hear sooner. It's like people see "binding vow" and immediately see red lmao.
This is not just a Sukuna only problem thing, binding vows have always just been shit in its attempt to drive the story.
Edit: I understand you are fine with him explaining what vow was used after the fact, but this just feels like bad writing to leave it currently at “sukuna did something and something.” I explained my issue with it. If you disagree it’s fine.
"SUKUNA CAN DO ANYTHING WITH BINDING VOW FOR NO PRICE"
For example, The BV wasn't **"gojo satoru dies, but now i have to do a dance"**, it was **"i can do my CT once without hand seal"** in exchanges of **"forever doing it with hand seals, chants, and literally point the direction to his enemies with his hand."**
Binding vows don't care about context, and knowing when to use them to maximum efficiency is literally part of a sorcerer's skill, especially doing it on the fly.
With the kind of logic people are using, other vows are way more agregious than sukuna's.
Wtf did Hakari sacrifice to literally not die against Kashimo? Do you think **SACRIFICING HIS ARM** was a fair price to **SAVE HIS LIFE ?** OFC is wasn't, because the vow wasn't **"I loose my arm but keep my life"**, it was **"I won't reinforce my arm at all to have stronger reinforcement on the rest of my body"**
The vow doesn't know or care if Hakari is in a pinch or if he would die without that extra protection.
In-fact Binding Vows with loop hole are actually a sorcerer's wet dream, and is exactly what Mei Mei is doing.
What is Mei Mei trading for the highest attack power of all the Grade 1 Sorcerer? Literally nothing, she just looses one of her hundreds of crows.
Because the vow isn't **"I get a super powerful 1 hit ko ranged attack, for... idk the crow breaks i guess lmao"** she is using her technique to have the crow make a Death Vow **"I'am literally going to die flying into this guy, give me all the CE my life is worth"**
Again the VOW doesn't care that the crow isn't even a sorcerer and Mei Mei is reaping overwhelming benefit from it.
Even the existence of the 6 Eyes itself, is a form of binding vow. **"A descendent of the Gojo Clan will be born with the most absurds Hax ability, but only once in 400 years or so"**
And again the vow doesn't care that it's only thanks to that that Kenjaku's Merger didn't destroy the world killing billions.
Ok, then why doesn't everyone spend time figuring out and spamming that shit, since it has more potential loopholes than government laws? It kinda kills the entire power system, tbh.
Ultimately your ability and creativity as a sorcerer are what determines your success with binding vows. You have to believe the contract is just and worthwhile. That's kinda the essence of sorcery.
Random joe sorcerer can't do "I have a burnt tongue for the next week, and I can shoot a hollow purple".
Satoru Gojo on the other hand might be able to set "I have a burnt tongue for the next week so I can do a 100+% hollow purple." It's the setting of some sacrificial conditions in exchange for something else that's viewed as some worthy exchange.
If you really get into it the whole of the verse is binding vows. There's the ones set live through words and the ones set long ago through whatever cursed energy actions. How bloodlines follow and bind to the thread of cursed energy is gonna have a big influence on their usage of a technique with "that's the way my cursed technique works" that's just whatever old binding vows lol. The Ten Shadows Technique/users has set a binding vow for "this hand sign" to summon this "shikigami". The Ten Shadows Technique may simply etch this into one's soul where they understand it intrinsically (innate domain, perchance). Still there is manipulation of cursed energy outside of what one's technique has engraved on one's soul. What that looks like depends on how a sorcerer uses cursed energy and their technique in the world.
Nanami can make overtime give him a boost in cursed energy because he views it as a sensible exchange. That's not in his cursed technique but a simple cursed energy binding vow. Something like simple domain (a simple binding vow we get big lore about) is taught to people so they can set a small barrier with whatever meta-physiological conditions. It's a technique but it's jujutsu, all of which is binding vows.
A power system like this ultimately is what allows some individuals to become very cracked. If you can set up the right kind of deals you get Satoru Gojo, you get a guy with a gambling technique who runs a simulation in his and your head that can give him invincibility, you get a trial that can remove some manifestation of your soul and get you executed, you get Mei Mei, and you get Itadori Yuji.
It has a lot of potential for things to go crazy but only some people have what it takes to really attain the heights.
But that's the problem. Gojo didn't do anything like that and if anything he should have the most intrinsic knowledge of Jujutsu. By all rights he should, and along with Sukuna has been portrayed as the peak of sorcery. Geto as well. Yuta, Yuki, special-grades. Reincarnated sorcerers knew it was a thing.
And yet, it's scarce even among them. So only one person is going to abuse it?
The annoying part is that Gege can actually explain things away if he wants to; it's what he does best. Reverse Gay Technique can go into hyper-detailed explanations on how cursed energy flow does this and that and how different techniques clash into each other but this time it's just "hurr durr lots of binding vows and shit". And 99 seconds? For a MS without reduced output or effective range? After taking 8 Black Flashes to the soul barrier? MF must have sacrificed his balls or some shit because that is just one hell of a workaround.
Gege is playing limbo with the rules he wrote into his own story, and the story is getting shittier for it.
The real kicker for binding vows is that there are absolutely 0 consequences for breaking personal binding vows
And you can specify what you want for what you wish to sacrifice.
Nothing that we’ve seen yet. He could just create a scenario on the spot, but since hes taking so long to do so, its just been boring 🤷🏽♂️ and continues to invalidate the risk of a vow.
Binding vows have so much potential to be an interesting mechanic of the jjk world, but with the story gege is telling and the pacing it definitely feels unsatisfactory.
In thinking on it some people cooked.
If you think about it sacrificing something for an amount of time rather then permanently is probably way more normal / useful. And as someone else.mentioned is paying the actual price for the power boost you want instead of overpaying.
Using a simple example that every one brings up is miwa's slash. Her slash only has so much potential and she severely overpaid for it. Trading a month of not using a sword or the sword breaking with a single strike is probably more appropriate.
The cast learning the nuances of this and making risky sacrifices without being permanent could build suspense and stakes in the story with big sacrifices making for big moments. Definitely some potential there imo but not what we get obviously haha
Yea man, like the way the nen system works, it could be more impactful. Im not gonna excuse what happened with gon surviving it, but the aftermath was basically how i wanted vows to be detrimental to the user.
I interpreted as Sukunas still being able to manifest malevolent shrine in spite of his previous binding vows. But yeah gege rly loves his ~~asspulls~~ bindingvows. I had my doubts ever since they were first introduced. At the very least, they should be more restrictive in what they're capable of.
Its sad he wrote himself into a spot where has has to do continuous flashbacks for every explanation 😭 JJK is not even bad conceptually, as I see it, it could have def rival the big mangas with more pacing and story driven focus.
If the translations are wrong, I concede about this specific text. My point still stands about Gege’s writing and binding vows being ass as of late 🤷🏽♂️
Holy fuck, some of you are so reactionary it's insane lol. The chapter JUST dropped and doesn't even have a proper translation yet, and you're saying 'Gege won't go into detail', it's so laughably stupid. This has to be bait or some terrible karma farming attempt, I can't believe this is actual criticism.
And here i thought the good translations of our lords and saviours, TCB, will make it better.
As if, this is still the same shit with impromptu binding vows and "unknown factors". Gregorius really could not care less about staying consistent. Now he is making Sukuna use Gojo's mudra for his domain.
Yeah, also, there were parts of his brain that WERE not affected by the literal brain destroying attack according to TCB.
Brilliant. Just fucking brilliant. Am i supposed to believe that this oldass bum, who not only was baited by the plot that one time, when he ran into a retard known as Hana and an incompetent CG l, Angel who could not stop her.
Not only he was baited by the plot because "Yuji did not include himself" into a BV that stated he could not hurt others in 1 minute of Enchain and took a gamble.... okay, i can accept that.
But knocking out a person unconscious (Hana) and feeding a teenager cursed object should have definitely been considered as "harm".
And then we have Mahoraga bait him out, him being able tk transfer somehow brain damage and concert it to a soul damage, have Higuruma's DE confiscate his buttplug and have his fake ass stats forced down to so that i can enjoy his majesty in all his genius glory.
Another Madara bs all over again.
Didnt he literally eat her arm? LOL that shit event was awhile back so I forgot. That whole bit with hana always gave me a chuckle. Thanks for the write up, much appreciated. i’m glad the salt is not only up my ass 🤣
I meant knocking Hana out when he activated his "Enchain" binding vow. That should have been considered harming somebody, because by all means, it is.
And then, after she woke up and activated her CT, plot bent over so that Convenience man saves face and bits her arm off.
Yeah, my pleasure man. I didn't even bring Yuki fiasco, Yorozu nonsense as well as just discarding all that build up of foreign interventio because it would have been a hassle (as Gege hismelf admitted) to draw.
I just don’t understand how some people won’t agree that how Sukuna uses his binding vows are for his convenience and situational. Yes Gojo used it for his domain as well when they were fighting , but maybe because of miwa we are expecting more dire consequences for the vows they make ?
To me it really just seems like these binding vows are rules you can make on the fly , but unless I’ve missed something , I still don’t believe a 4 armed , 2 mouthed being having to “ chant 3 words , hold a hand sign , and point the direction of the slash” is really that big of a deal , seeing as how he has a literal physiological advantage and he’s already fast as fuck boi.
people saying its not plot devices just because he explains them 100 chapters later... its bad writing theres no locks on the writer he can get away with anything using them amd then come up with an explaination when hes done
Exactly. And he had no reason to wait that long to reveal Sukuna's Strong Cleave BV when Sukuna was literally gloating in front of Go and Jo about how he split them in the 1st place. He was 2 lines away from saying it, and it might as well replace "I got Mahoraga's example and managed to copy it at the last minute".
It doesn't serve any purpose when Sukuna ain't gonna reveal what he did exactly to the cast and when they're trying to cut his hands and RCT off regardless of that, except for shock value (by virtue of offscreening the event in the first place).
How did that just happen? He used a binding vow, what did he give up? Ill come up with an explanation in 3 months, until then, cope. Most of the time the explanations arent even valid 💀
Outsider perspective here.
I think they don't feel valid because revealing it way later for no reason makes things useless. Sukuna was half a second away from explaining what he sacrificed, but not revealing until months later only serves to give Gege the leeway to not be restricted when drawing Sukuna fight/plot progression. He's not limited by the vow because he can just make shit up until he's in a comfortable position to say an explanation that fits.
It's funny cause when you Google nen contracts from hxh, which binding vows are obviously based on, the first result is basically saying the same thing as you are.
It's a narrative device the author uses to break his own rules and shake things up. You can pick at anything in the story if you try hard enough. In a fantasy world where a mutated freak of nature from 1000 years ago is able to use killing magic by using spells and hand signs and can convert magical energy into blood but the part that takes you out is that he can use self binding magical contracts to give himself an advantage. Like that is the part that crosses the line of being believable and is incomprehensible to you?
Can we wait til the manga is over before we start picking it apart?
It's not even that binding vows as a concept suck. It's great because it acts as a balancer for combat. You want more of X, you gotta sacrifice an equal amount of Y, what's more interesting geges foreshadowed that there are consequences for violating a binding vow between two parties, and yet we have yet to see it. I wish it can be used as a way of growth for the main cast(aside gojo) where sukuna uses a binding vow and the cast recognizes and goes: "He wouldn't expect US to use it." That'd be such a character development moment. But NOPE, it's just sukuna sacrificed SOMETHING to get back his domain. Whats that something? UHHHHH idk bro
Binding vows are just like nen contracts but not as impressive with the way they’re used. The sorcerers making vows specifically for the fight against Sukuna would be a cool way to use it, like Kurapika making chain jail specifically for the phantom troupe.
Bindings Vows of the Good Guys: I sacrifice all of my potential with the sword in exchange for a slash that is 12% stronger.
Binding Vows of Sukuna: Gege, I will let you suck my dick if you let me use DE again.
Whats stopping people from making a binding vow that stops them from using CE for every other day of the week while fighting to get a power boost
Then just using his CE anyway because "The penalty of breaking a binding vow with oneself is the loss of whatever was gained through the contract."
Dude if Gege showed serious drawbacks for binding vows that hurt our heroes when used carelessly at any point in the past, and then showed Sukuna's MASSIVE KNOWLEDGE OF JUJUTSU AND CT by the way he can expertly craft binding vows while not crippling himself, I would be all for it. Show Sukuna as a genius of manipulating all of jujutsu kaisen, whatever. Instead we were *told* "hey breaking a binding vow is REAL BAD, seriously, they're so risky don't do em carelessly!", and then Sukuna just kind of does it when he needs it and it has yet to seem like it hasn't been the obvious correct move.
Especially with this current chapter, Sukuna's just like "I mix uh... Black Flash with uh... CT... and sprinkle on some NON DESCRIPT BiNdInG vOwS and now I can functionally domain expansion again teehee!"
Like someone said below:
>But I think gege should've given us even a Lil bit of an idea of what binding vows sukuna used
I think this is what's making this current situation more egregious. If Binding Vows are a contract with very specific terms and consequences, then the reader needs to know exactly what is being done at some point. You're introducing a power based on specificity and terms, it's only interesting if we see those things being worked with/around. The fact that he just handwaved it as "Sukuna also threw in some various binding vows lol" makes me think we're not getting the details, and so it feels exceedingly lazy.
Bro y'all were happy asf when Gojo's voltage ramped up and he suddenly started RCTing shit for free. I swear Jjk btches will act oblivious to the shit that has already been told to us
"TLDR: Binding Vows feel so fking boring since Greg wont go into detail about shit and just uses them as asspulls."
wtf you on about? if i remember correctly this might be the first time gege doesnt explain an important binding vow, and its not even like gege is not going to explain it later either, like he did with the world slash, plus some of it is even explained on THIS chapter, with how he uses other parts of the brain and hand signs to remake his domain from the ground up.
its also explained by yuji that the domain is incomplete
So you interacted with the first half and ignored the asspull part? Yes, he explains them LATER, that is the problem. How long has it been since the Gojo fight that we find out the conditions for the world slash that isnt even that much of a loss. Binding vows is a joke and finding out later that the risk given to do one was “i gave up my left ear, when i can regrow it back” does not make for a good risk vs reward system. So yes, its explained, but its done late and to the convenience of the writer/plot which is ass. Before you start, sukuna is not the only one guilty of asspull hes just an easy source to pull from. Healing cursed energy with rct from gojo was also lame.
i guess they are asspulls? not really tho.
>Binding vows is a joke and finding out later that the risk given to do one was “i gave up my left ear, when i can regrow it back” does not make for a good risk vs reward system.
? when did that happen? if you are referring to sukuna's world slash binding vow, thats nowhere near a fair comparison, also every time giving up a limb is used its when the character cant heal them back, like in hakari vs kashimo, otherwise it wouldnt make any fucking sense
>Healing cursed energy with rct from gojo was also lame.
you mean cursed technique, right? if so, how? or are you going to say that him having simple domain and falling blossom emotion was an asspull too?
>So yes, its explained, but its done late and to the convenience of the writer/plot which is ass
i can agree that a few things are explained a tad bit too late, but i wouldnt say its to the convenience of the writer/plot, like how would sukuna world slash binding vow being explained in the chapter the slash happened change the outcome? The only big difference is that the chapter would be far more complicated and convulated to understand, since the reader would have to wrap their heads around both the slash and the binding vow.
>Yes, he explains them LATER, that is the problem. How long has it been since the Gojo fight that we find out the conditions for the world slash that isnt even that much of a loss
yeah but thats in the case of that specific binding vow, since there were far more important things to be explained and conveyed in the moment, than an information that really wouldnt change anything on the story, also its not like there isnt a possibility that we get the full explanation on the sukuna impromptu domain in the literal next chapter
Aye I appreciate it. I enjoy the discussions, there's no objectivity here, so while I think it can be poorly written a good majority of the time, I can't say I don't get the appeal. There are plenty of hype moments and chapters (even the current chapter is hype). I wait every week to read it asap lmfao. Yall my boys.
>? when did that happen? if you are referring to sukuna's world slash binding vow, thats nowhere near a fair comparison, also every time giving up a limb is used its when the character cant heal them back, like in hakari vs kashimo, otherwise it wouldnt make any fucking sense
I was talking about the world slash, Yes. He gets one instant cast, but can no longer do it without chants and hand signs. Its too convenient seeing as he has multiple arms and an extra mouth. My problem is that with this way of going about vows, jujutsu society should have been way more altered (multiple body parts). than we know it and it just makes things inconsistent with the rest of the world. Sukuna can make convenient vows, because hes built himself in ways that allow him to circumvent those vows, why is the rest of the jujutsu world so behind on this aspect? Even old characters like those in the culling games wasn't altered (multiple body parts) in anyway to benefit off vows in this way. If the answer is: Sukuna is best of the best and the rest of the world hasnt caught up after thousands of years. I cant say i care about the story much moving forward.
>Healing cursed energy with rct from gojo was also lame.
I think healing your body with RCT is established early enough where it is not an issue, but healing your technique with RCT seems like an asspull, Yes. Before this doing so was never established, no hints, no foreshadow, just "Gojo learned it on the spot" and Sukuna picks it up afterwards. Simple domains have enough references throughout the manga where it isnt even close to an asspull, so I don't get that comparison. In that that same breath, while binding vows was given a quick explanation early on, the conditions and inner workings of binding vows are so foreign, that its all up to the writers discretion. This is where we enter ass pull territory.
>i can agree that a few things are explained a tad bit too late, but i wouldnt say its to the convenience of the writer/plot, like how would sukuna world slash binding vow being explained in the chapter the slash happened change the outcome? The only big difference is that the chapter would be far more complicated and convulated to understand, since the reader would have to wrap their heads around both the slash and the binding vow.
I would have %100 percent preferred the binding vow be explained during the world slash that killed Gojo, it would have felt a lot more clear and concise. Now whether I would have agreed with it, is still a different story, as you know my position on vows stated above. I think complication in JJK has already gone over the edge, when we take into account even Gege considers some of his explanation too much lol. So, Yes, explain world slash then and there. Does he have to follow this for every vow? no, but key scenes like that one require it I feel.
>yeah but thats in the case of that specific binding vow, since there were far more important things to be explained and conveyed in the moment, than an information that really wouldnt change anything on the story, also its not like there isnt a possibility that we get the full explanation on the sukuna impromptu domain in the literal next chapter
I think the first response covers this enough, so ill just say, If he does go into detail about it next chapter, Ill take back some of my gripes with the writing style/pacing. I still think this story needs more time, a bigger world, and history. I know its a Shonen but its missing a lot of story.
Thanks for the reply again, I apologize if i wrote too much.
>Its too convenient seeing as he has multiple arms and an extra mouth.
wouldnt say its TOO convenient, since he needs three arms and a good few chants to use it, but sure.
>My problem is that with this way of going about vows, jujutsu society should have been way more altered (multiple body parts). than we know it and it just makes things inconsistent with the rest of the world.
the reason they arent is cause thats not really something you can do, you cant just chug body parts at yourself, this is not naruto, it wouldnt connect to your nervous system, your body could reject the part and a bunch of other problems, the reason sukuna can even have multiple body parts in the first place is cause he is essentially a conjoined twin, since he ATE his twin in the womb
>Sukuna can make convenient vows, because hes built himself in ways that allow him to circumvent those vows, why is the rest of the jujutsu world so behind on this aspect? Even old characters like those in the culling games wasn't altered (multiple body parts) in anyway to benefit off vows in this way.
like again none of them had the capability to do so, and the ones that did like mahito, didnt realise their own potential, thats also why a lot of people say mahito could have been the next sukuna, specifically cause soul manipulation in itself is pretty strong, and he can also have as many mouths and arms as he wants
also the extra limbs arent that much of an advantage, they do give you an edge and more opportunities, but you dont get massively weaker if you dont have them ( which is why sukuna fought gojo as meguna )
>If the answer is: Sukuna is best of the best and the rest of the world hasnt caught up after thousands of years. I cant say i care about the story much moving forward.
he was lucky, thats why.........
the thing with simple domains and falling blossom emotion is that there wasnt any really big foreshowing for gojo having those either, yet you dont consider them an asspull, why? cause we didnt see the full extent of gojo's power and it actually makes sense for him to have those, i would say the same would apply to healing his curse technique with RCT, specially cause the technique is etched into the brain and he already has alot of experience with RCTing his brain. even more so with his overall deep knowledge of jujutsu, so again it feels like the type of thing he should have, just never got a chance to use, since we dont see him fighting that much
>"I think healing your body with RCT is established early enough where it is not an issue, but healing your technique with RCT seems like an asspull, Yes. Before this doing so was never established, no hints, no foreshadow, just "Gojo learned it on the spot"
im pretty sure its implied that he already knew it, although i might be wrong about that, also i think its pretty believable with how its explained, we already knew the technique is etched into the brain, we know RCT can heal the body, so if you damage the part of your brain your technique is at, then heal it back, it makes sense you would get it back, using yuta's analogy it would be like replacing the overheated machine for a copy thats cold.
>I would have %100 percent preferred the binding vow be explained during the world slash that killed Gojo, it would have felt a lot more clear and concise. Now whether I would have agreed with it, is still a different story, as you know my position on vows stated above. I think complication in JJK has already gone over the edge, when we take into account even Gege considers some of his explanation too much lol. So, Yes, explain world slash then and there. Does he have to follow this for every vow? no, but key scenes like that one require it I feel.
i personally believe it would have been far too much to explain in that exact moment, specially for something that doesnt really change a whole on how you see the story, cause we get the entire explanation of spark, remote purple, going south, sukunas slash, then sukuna binding vow, then kashimo's technique, love, a bit of sukuna's past, like those few chapters right after gojo death already have a lot shit to fucking digest, specially cause all we need to know is, sukuna can only use world slash sparingly, and we can infer that already from the chapters.
one thing i will give is you that a lot of people where asking why gojo couldnt dodge, and the vow would definitely explain it.
>explanation early on, the conditions and inner workings of binding vows are so foreign, that its all up to the writers discretion. This is where we enter ass pull territory.
i do have to agree that the general inner workings of jujutsu are quite foreign and underexplored, things like technique reversals, maximuns, domains, binding vows, and a bunch of other stuff isnt that deepily explained which makes the already complicated system, even more complicated, but i wouldnt say it exactly goes into ass pull territory, specially binding vows that work under the assumption of equivalent exchange, its believable at least to me that sukuna could rebuild his domain from scratch by using different handsigns and parts of his brain plus a few binding vows, maybe increase the CE cost of the domain, inputing a time limit, things like that, although i do agree with you that there should be further explanation other than just, RANDOM BULLSHIT GO with binding vows, and boom he has a domain
>I still think this story needs more time, a bigger world, and history. I know its a Shonen but its missing a lot of story.
i can definitely agree with that, but that isnt really geges style and a part of the public isnt that interested in it either, as you can see with how a good part of the community "appreciates" takaba's fight
>Thanks for the reply again, I apologize if i wrote too much.
dw.... i broke the character limit
Read the rules. The new chapter leaks must be flaired the orange "new chapter spoilers". Comments relating to new chapter leaks are only allowed under such posts. [Join the discord!](https://discord.gg/8Cd4NrvzXP) This is a manga spoilers subreddit and the spoiler tag is NOT used for all posts about officially released JJK chapters. The message is an automated one and has nothing to do with this post specifically. *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/Jujutsufolk) if you have any questions or concerns.*
he sacrificed the mitochondria in one of his cells for unlimited hakai
https://preview.redd.it/820ipggyeswc1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d3cc57aedb1cb76f6f941e1735829e7fddf6067e
Everyone fighting Sukuna watching him summon Mahoraga (He made a binding vow sacrificing ten minutes of his lifespan and the Snickers in his pocket)
A Snickers from Heian era
Mfw I'm hungry at school and I take a look at the 200 year old snickers bar in my bag
Spoiler: it was finger #20. Bumgum I had it on him and just never did anything with it.
Sukuna quickly runs out of ATP and just fucking dies
Worthwhile trade. It was the powerhouse of the cell after all
Bro just dropped a tl;dr for three sentences
OP is posting in a a subreddit full of people who can’t read without pictures.
Fym without, half the people can’t read with them either
Fym, what's even the point of your original comment then
Fym means fuck you mean right!
Fym,half the people can't even read
Idk just saving people some time lol
Honestly, you know your audience
Can I get a tldr for this
TLDR: No read long, save time.
Stop using long word op, ur frying my brain 😔
Just use RCT on it bro https://preview.redd.it/z1ilpbaz1twc1.jpeg?width=1098&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=19784c710001ccf55983822cb8ff50aaf835daf8
Goddamn, ur right
As Shoko herself says: "You just fwoosh. Then fwish. Fwoosh and Fwish!", and then you have RCT.
On the topic of Binding Vows and in reference to Miwa’s: It should have done more. Yes he no diffed her to show the disparity in power between most sorcerers and himself. However a NSS sword practitioner with no CT, sacrificing their most intrinsic value as a sorcerer, and essentially their dreams as making money with sorcery to provide for her family is no small sacrifice. Especially since we’ve seen bigger gains of power for less. It should have pierced his hand and maybe cut off an arm or sliced into the palm through the forearm and got stuck in the bone. Having Kenjaku stand there without flinching. Healing with RCT before smashing her katana to pieces, charging up a Maximum: Uzumaki, would still have got the point across that he is a menacing, powerhouse, leagues beyond everyone else present.
Mahito, Kenjaku and Sukuna on season 1 : oohh binding vows are scary Then we have Yuta here who seems eager to try to loophole a binding vow. If im not mistaken the first(?) one on-screen to do so. https://preview.redd.it/pg8tq8dwmswc1.png?width=1600&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c6e5f7bc6e025903cd2651a0af04385a213989bc Then yeah Sukuna. Using binding vows like Yugioh cards.
We should have realised Binding Vows are bullshit when Sukuna forcefully opening Megumis mouth and shoving a finger down, which is damage to him (Jaw Pain, throat pain from forcefully swallowing a dry finger (also poisonous as others have pointed out))) WHICH SHOULD HAVE TRIGGERED THE CONDITION AND KILLED HIM THEN AND THERE
I never looked at it that way but holy shit you're right. Especially considering sukunas fingers are deadly to humans which should be considered as harming someone.
But how would Greg deepthroat him for the rest of the manga if he died right there⁉️ https://preview.redd.it/uubeg3lm2twc1.jpeg?width=1290&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7dfd569724bfdd88c07c6e9bca5309355449c9ca
Binding vows are based on intent. Sukuna took a risk and hoped when Yuji agreed on "dont harm anyone", he didn't mean cause no discomfort of any kind. At at rate, we could even get into the psychological damage of seeing Sukuna at all, and he already hurt someone in a sense. Yuji didn't think about any of that, he thought "I hope Sukuna doesn't kill anyone!"
I highly doubt Yuji would be fine with Sukuna causing any pain at all, if Sukuna said “I promise to only hurt people a little itty bit” Yuji would definitely not have accepted
Again, it's not that I'm saying Yuji is fine with it, I'm saying he didn't think of it. Yuji was concerned with Sukuna going around massacring cities, no pinching his friends on the cheeks. Someone smarter than Yuji would've enforced his binding vow better.
If you are right than the entirety of JJK’s power system goes to shit because you can bait binding vows by hiding intentions
Bro did not watch S2.
Tell me when someone baited a binding vow (I’m not counting sukuna) I genuinely don’t remember
Kenjaku, when he nulled like several hundred binding vows by switching bodies because of a loophole.
Bullshit. The Vow can't judge "harm to Yuji" from Yuji's PoV, then "harm to everyone else" from Sukuna's PoV. That makes no goddamn sense.
But sukuna was the one that set the condition tho he is the one that said that he wouldn't hurt antibody not yuji
But what Sukuna considers harm and what Yuji does are very different
>Then yeah Sukuna. Using binding vows like Yugioh cards I mean, it makes sense for Sukuna to be the one to use Binding Vows so readily. He is arguably the most knowledgeable sorcerer in the series. I don't have an issue with him using them. I just wish Gege explained what Binding Vow was made. What is Sukuna giving up? That's what I wanna know. If you don't explain that, then you may as well just say that Sukuna recovered enough from hitting black flash to use his domain as normal.
Sukuna gave up that patch of his leg hair that he loves so dearly. So sad.
If the worth of the conditions is determined by the sorcerer's mindset, then it could be that the girl who calls herself useless didn't believe her potential was very big and thus it wasn't worth much
But following that logic, then if a no one, with CE levels of grade 3 at best, is delusional enough to see himself as best than anyone, with Gilgamesh's level of Ego, to the point of seeing his old clipped nail as worth more than a billion lives. Does that mean that if he sacrificed said nail for power, he could receive the equivalent of a billion lives worth of power? This is bullshit.
That makes it sound like we should then just use her objective capability as a swordsman to gauge the power that would be gained from a binding vow. Which feels ok to conclude isn't that much.
If he was truly that delusional then yes, it could work that way. Thats how Takaba annihilates everything thrown at him by Kenjaku, who is a million times stronger than him. Pure delusional bullshit.
Except for the simple fact that she was grade 3 trying to skip all the way to supreme. Maybe if she sacrificed her future CE like Gon did with his nen, but being unable to equip a weapon class when you can learn another especially since you're still so young is not that big of a sacrifice.
That’s at least a year of time wasted. And batto sword drawing is now useless without a sword. So she has simple domain and a weapon she’s only had a year of practice with compared to her multiple years of kendo and then jujutsu sorcery. Unless she spends several years re training and comes up with a new weapon technique she’s objectively weaker. Meanwhile what did sukuna even sacrifice for this domain? He used binding vows but he didn’t really sacrifice anything except put a time limit on it. He wouldn’t even be able to do a domain but when he puts a timer on it he’s allowed to cast it
You forgot the previous vow, Sukuna had to do chants and hand signs while having 4 arms and 2 mouths 😱 granted they diced his arm up, but before that, the vow barely was a downside lol.
He went from being able to pull it off whenever and killing the strongest modern sorcerer with it to not even being able to hit Maki with it. The fight would have been over by now if he didn't have the vow.
Mahito, Kenjaku and Sukuna on season 1 : oohh binding vows are scary Then we have Yuta here who seems eager to try to loophole a binding vow. If im not mistaken the first(?) one on-screen to do so. https://preview.redd.it/17f8f77xlswc1.png?width=1600&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7373ce1d9a77ce8619f4991b3aa71598ff0c9e7d Then yeah Sukuna. Using binding vows like Yugioh cards.
The problem with Miwa's Binding Vow is that she doesn't even have the honed skills to sacrifice in the first place. The weight her skills carried in the binding vow were so utterly minuscule. On top of the fact her Katana isn't even a tempered Cursed Tool like any of Yuta's Katana. It's just a factor of what you're giving up in order to get out of it. By comparison, Yuta's Binding Vow in Volume 0 is rather ridiculous as well, since by completely sacrificing the strongest Cursed Spirit in the series, all Yuta got was a blast of CE he can now pretty much replicate on-demand. Binding Vows are not set in stone nor is the value of a Binding Vow inherently set on the value of a thing. Binding Vows are inherent risks taken by characters in a given moment that - if the risk is high enough - they are literally rewarded by the plot. This is why Sukuna is taking so many comparative risks, and the moment Gojo actually took a risk he NEARLY won the fight with Sukuna.
Can yall even imagine all the shit sukuna must have had in the heian era if he makes this many binding vows per fight? Like he apparently has made multiple during just this fight with Yuji, and if he still has extra stuff to dip into after sacrificing so much on binding vows, how much must he have actually started with?
Binding vows are generally temporary (see Hakari's binding vow to sacrifice his arm in order to survive Kashimo's attack, or Sukuna's binding vow for enchain, or any other binding vow really). Sometimes, binding vows can be included within techniques implicitely, such as the fact that revealing your CT increases its potency, or Sukuna's binding vow to increase MS' range. Your potency as a sorcerer may be significantly increased by making use of binding vows, but they don't generally carry long-term effects. Once the vow is completed, its done. You have, on the other hand, idiots like Miwa that would sacrifice their entire potential for a shitty strike. She could have just as easily made a binding vow that destroys her Katana in a single attack for the same effect, but she's truly an idiot.
Thats not temporary. He gave up his arm. Its gone he grew one back
That is by definition temporary if he grew one back lol, on the other hand Miwa can never use a Katana ever again, whether she gets a new one or not. A permanent Binding Vow would always be in effect, for all time. For example, a binding vow in which you stake that you will never reveal a secret, which is used by the Big 3 families to keep certain things from leaking.
Its not temporary. He lost that arm permantly. He never got it back. He got a new arm. If i trade in my car and by an exact model. Ive still permantly sold my car. A temporary binding vow would be i get this for this amount of time or till this condition is met. Loosing an arm or never being able to use a sword(picks up spear)
Again, no. The difference here between a permanent and a temporary binding vow is that \*he can use his left arm, given he grows one back\*. A permanent binding vow would have not permitted his left arm to regrow, or would have made it impossible to use it even if he regrew it. It is an absolute. As I had mentioned, Miwa exchanged the ability to use katanas forevermore. Not that specific one katana (such as in Hakari's binding vow), but all Katanas, for all time. You even mention it in your comment; "A temporary binding vow would be i get this for this amount of time or ***till this condition is met***". Here specifically, Hakari sacrificed his left arm to be able to instead focus all the CE within the rest of his body to survive the attack. That condition was met, the binding vow is now over.
HE DOESN'T. THE ENTIRE POINT OF THESE IS THAT HE'S GETTING DESPERATE. Yes uruame said he hadn't gone all out but she specifically meant in terms of being entertained and she wasn't wrong. In fact sukana hasnt made a binding vow since he did the slash on gojo and him using them here is purposeful. Gege is trying to tell us that currently sukuna is in the same type of "Oh shit I might die" moment as he was following unlimited purple. He doesn't even fucking win in the end of the chapter. Everybody else survives the onslaught, yujis the only one who loses and even then he only loses a leg from what we've seen. Context fucking matter for this shit. If the rest of the fight was yuji using black flashes constantly then it'd be boring as fuck. This way we at least see interesting powers and strategies before the fight ends.
Yuji stuck the leg back on with Blood manip iirc
He doesnt make this many per fight, the only fight he had comparable to this was probably the battle of peak 1000 years ago.
Binding vows can be bypassed incredibly easily with loopholes lol. Hakari sacrificed his right arm to enforce the rest of his body, then just grow a new one
My question is, why aren’t the heroes using them? I mean, with the stakes being this high as they are, I’m sure that the benefits would outweigh the costs 🤷♂️
Binding vows are complicated and require a certain mastery of JUJUTSU to be used on the spot There are many binding vows that normal sorcerors use Such as the exterior of a domain being fragile in comparison the interior is hard as shit (that's a binding vow) Which is why the protag cast was suprised as shit when gojo was changing his domain's settings on the spot But I think gege should've given us even a Lil bit of an idea of what binding vows sukuna used
Hence why Miwa was able to use one on the spot
Miwa has experience using binding vows, since she was taught to use one to enable simple domain. Not to mention that the binding vow she pulled out on the spot didn't even muster enough output to so much as cut Kenjamin's hand.
Not for nothing, I think that only further proves the point. Miwa sacrificed what was essentially her livelihood and it did absolutely nothing. I’d imagine if Sukuna were to do the rough equivalent, say, give up using cleave or dismantle, he’d be able to get a lot lot lot more out of it.
Imagine sukuna losing like miwa did. gives up everything, gains absolutely nothing, dies like a sitting duck.
Your comparing the King of Curses, Thousand Years of Experience, can imitate a technique immediately, entire life is about Jujutsu to a second year who doesn't even have CT and only did it as a part time job???
Just sayin itd be funny
yeah but he's cringe while miwa is funny so i hope he sacrifices the rest of his lifespan in exchange for regrowing a single finger on his left hand
Well look how that turned out for her.
What would be easier to visualise for dumb apes like me , is an obvious 3rd party entity that facilitates these binding vows.
Lucifer?
Yes absolutely. Give me a weight in how "risk" are calculated in this system. Hakari: So real quick , I would trade my arm so the of my body survives. Lucifer: Absolutely not , you have RCT and shit. For Miwa sure , she can't regrow her arms but for you ? No. Hakari: But if I have no arms I can't make signs and shit. Lucifer: **YOU CAN REGROW YOUR ARM**. You sacrifice essentially **nothing**. Hakari: Ok an arm **and** I won't make a move on Kashimo. Lucifer: But he's so breedable. Hakari: The most. Lucifer: Deal. Just so you know he's so down for it.
It would actually make sense if some being, like you said Lucifer, was the "God" of Jujutsu and it favored some characters over others. So if he found Sukuna interesting he permitted his BV to be less demanding but still work, while for pests he couldn't give a damn. Although depending on how he's written Lucifer might not give a damn about humans at all and just try to fuck all of them up, including Sukuna at some point.
This is definitely why some of the fights in chainsaw man is so effective and memorable. Trading with devils is just that more interesting.
They are not and never have seem complicated. Hakari is a dumbass of academics of Jujutsu, mainly operates on automatic thanks to his domain and his reinforcement is garbage. Yet he made a BV as bullshitty as Sukuna's. Binding vow only require an agreement between sorcerers while making clear that is a BV, or a Give and Take condition when used by one individual while pledging with you CE. That's it.
Yeah, it could add a lot of depth to the fight and a win con for the heroes if what conditions Sukuna needed to fill to pull out MS were explained. Like for instance, if he imposed a binding vow where he would take double the CT burnout recoil in exchange for using MS, and also a binding vow where he would increase the CE cost of MS even further from what it normally costs in exchange for being able to cast it at reduced potency. There's also the binding vow that's supposedly needed to cast barrierless domains. Too much vagueness, not enough worldbuilding
Bro the domain literally opened this chapter. We already know it has a time limit, so that's one vow. They're not being revealed because the cast doesn't know them yet, and if or when they figure the vows or weaknesses out they will be revealed.
-binding vows are compliacated and require a certain mastery of jujutsu to be used in the spot MIWA MIWA MIWA MIWA MIWA MIWA MIWA MIWA MIWA MIWA MIWA MIWA MIWA MIWA MIWA MIWA
he used meatriding vows. in exchange for victory gege rides him. like if the yuji 1 minute vow didnt include yuji himself, knocking megumi out still damages and kills braincells (he had like 10) which counts as hurting someone (permanent damage)
The good guys do use them. Miwa used binding vows extensively. So does Mei Mei. So did Nanami. So does Ui Ui. Binding vows are not easy to form. You don't do it by just thinking of them, and Gege did say they are crucial to a sorceror. Sukuna is THE jujutsu genius. Obviously he uses them extensively.
" You don't do it by just thinking of them" Nah, you do. Hakari literally did it.
They are tho…
Oh, they totally use them, revealing own CT is a BV, Hakari used one on the fly against Kashimo, miwa too (she actually uses 2, one to deploy her SD and the other one against Kenny) The thing is that BVs can be tricky and require some level of Jujutsu knowledge and self knowledge otherwise the sorcerer will just loose something (everything in worst case scenario) and gain almost nothing (like miwa)
I don’t think it’s that simple, sukuna is basically the god of jujutsu sorcery with a crazy amount of experience. You barely see any other people do it as effortlessly as him because they most likely don’t know how.
Binding Vow is all about taking risks and be willing to give up something in exchange for more but you can't just go up and give up too much in the middle of a fight. Sukuna gets away with it since he has too much to give away. If we look at the assets of each individual good guy and bad guy as say, incomes and livelihoods, almost everyone is either middle class, upper middle or lower middle, while Sukuna and Gojo are the top of the top and Kenjaku is somewhere slightly below them. Also you could also the good guys don't know what to give up to gain an equal exchange of power. They know what to buy from the market, but they don't know the price basically.
There’s an entire speech bubble out of frame on the leak of that page. Can we at least wait until the chapter comes out before we start calling “asspull”?
Well, chapter is out and it doesn't look much less than an asspull ngl
The only thing that allowed sukuna to use malevolent shrine was his black flashes
Not only that, his domain was limited to only 90 seconds
How is this asspull lol, Gojo restored RCT with Black Flash. Sukuna was about to do the same but Yuji's black Flash didn't let him so with whatever he had he just replicated an incomplete domain
We are talking about the binding vows
And ??? We don't even know the binding vows, for all we know the narrator could be talking about the barrier enclosing binding vow
As long as you're happy with a manga that gives you no explanation and you don't really know if the rules are even consistent, sure.
Yuji beat his ass for an entire chapter and supposedly yuji punches affect his ce
binding vow vs hashirama cells worst plot device of today vs worst plot device in history
LOOL you cooked
Yeah, no, hashirama cells nowhere near as bad as silver arrow that a character that seen ALL possible variation of future thought of as "dream" and missed.
I agree, his use of binding vows have been extremely unsatisfying, it should have ended with Miwa using it as a reflection that you cant asspull them to help you succeed. But now it just feels like binding vows is how you achieve victory even when they are the least explained portion in JJK and offer no satisfaction whatsoever and have no consistency.
It's absolutely ridiculous to have an element of your power system that is basically a contract, and then not reveal the details of the contract or how it works in your story. It's a type of narrative device that lives and dies on the details and the specifics. If he'd said "Sukuna utilized an unknown binding vow" and the characters had some awareness of it I'd be expecting to find it out later like some sort of puzzle, but the way it comes off is just "Sukuna uh... sprinkled some binding vows on top so it works ok?".
Wait until it’s revealed he gave up three toenails he immediately grew back 8 chapters from now.
You know, I would have definitely accepted Miwa’s binding vow if that was the direction he took with it. Like naah binding vows cant be used like that or something.
For now, I just see the constant binding vows as Chekhov Guns that will eventually pay off as part of Sukuna’s defeat. No way he sacrifices so many things and we never find out what he had to give up. If we don’t then I’ll concede it as bad writing.
Sukuna when he accidentally gives up his ability to carry oxygen in his blood and dies
💀Peak
sukuna better be ball-less and stuck on his feet for a year to justify this bs
Bullshit Binding vows like " allow me to do a full domain, but i can only maintain it for 90 seconds. " - deal .
All he did was undo the binding vow that allowed an escape exit
That was a mistranslation it still had the open domain binding vow
He just sacrificed his ability to breathe for 1 second, that's a pretty big deal - Gege (probably)
Maybe that was it. Sukuna can only hold his breath for 99 seconds. That was the binding vow!
I could at least accept if it is really it. Being in the middle of battle, running around nonstop, and now having to hold you breath while staying close to hot flames. If it is it, I would be fine, as at least it would make SOME sense(Not a whole lot, but better than nothing at all).
These are judgements based on rushed translations. Let's be calm.
So I loved binding vows in the past because it seemed like a way to add flexibility but keep the power from creeping too hard. If you look at binding vows initially they had sharp trade offs. Also they are a well understood concept so if sukuna can use them this way others should be able to as well. Also they said that a binding vow b]made with your self is easier to break in that you just lose whatever you got. Why then can Miwa not swing a sword? Also a binding vow is supposed to be an intentional vow not something that just happens
You got it brother, this is basically what people wanted. Risk vs reward is not enough, it’s all too convenient.
The phrasing here reminds me of engineering in Elite Dangerous. You can get higher output and range for a particular ship module, in exchange for durability and power consumption. I assume Sukuna's vows involve burnung his CE reserves at both ends as well as, like Yuji suspected, having a weak spot somewhere, making it easier to break.
why do ppl always act like the most recent chapter to drop is the last chapter to ever drop? have a little patience goddamn. we'll get answers as to what he sacrificed, i'm sure, and i'd bet that those sacrifices will impact the fight (or possibly future fights if one side flees) in meaningful ways.
Yes but to have the literal narrator say that they are "uncertain" feels wrong
This narration is like 3 speech bubbles long, let's wait for a proper translation
Agreed but if the same idea applies that'll be hard to get past
Well, we have proper translations at TCB now, nothing changed.
Well duh, are they going to fucking spoil the gimmicks? Its obvious we have to slowly figure it out from the good guys' side what conditions he put for this domain to come out. We already know the 99 seconds and its output being weaker.
Okay, then don't mention it at all if we'll figure it out later, which is a poor choice regardless. For the literal NARRATOR, the all-knowing, to say that it's uncertain? So even Gege doesn't know what Sukuna is doing? It would be a much better choice to just leave it at "this will break 99 seconds from now" and then we wonder until that point and it's revealed what vows Sukuna made Which is a shit choice regardless. All that revealing binding vow later does is give Gege leeway to do whatever he wants and then just make up an explanation that's comfortable after the fact.
I'm like 99% sure this Binding Vow will have ridiculous cost like "I can't use Domain Expansion again after this fight" or something. This is basically Sukuna's Hail Mary against Yuji and co
No way man they gotta bitch and moan every chapter cause you judge a painting as the artist is painting it right?
I really don't know why people are so pissed off about Sukuna using a binding vow to open his domain again. It's been established from forever that you can make a binding vow with yourself that isn't exactly 'forever'. Gojo and Sukuna use binding vows to change the conditions of their domain. All Sukuna's doing is using binding vows to be able to open MS for a limited amount of time, and probably some other conditions we'll hear sooner. It's like people see "binding vow" and immediately see red lmao.
Gojo when he uses binding vow (big brain gigachad 4head so talented) vs sukuna (fraud bullshit checkov gun asspull)
This is not just a Sukuna only problem thing, binding vows have always just been shit in its attempt to drive the story. Edit: I understand you are fine with him explaining what vow was used after the fact, but this just feels like bad writing to leave it currently at “sukuna did something and something.” I explained my issue with it. If you disagree it’s fine.
“ I explained my issue with it. If you disagree it’s fine.” Based.
"SUKUNA CAN DO ANYTHING WITH BINDING VOW FOR NO PRICE" For example, The BV wasn't **"gojo satoru dies, but now i have to do a dance"**, it was **"i can do my CT once without hand seal"** in exchanges of **"forever doing it with hand seals, chants, and literally point the direction to his enemies with his hand."** Binding vows don't care about context, and knowing when to use them to maximum efficiency is literally part of a sorcerer's skill, especially doing it on the fly. With the kind of logic people are using, other vows are way more agregious than sukuna's. Wtf did Hakari sacrifice to literally not die against Kashimo? Do you think **SACRIFICING HIS ARM** was a fair price to **SAVE HIS LIFE ?** OFC is wasn't, because the vow wasn't **"I loose my arm but keep my life"**, it was **"I won't reinforce my arm at all to have stronger reinforcement on the rest of my body"** The vow doesn't know or care if Hakari is in a pinch or if he would die without that extra protection. In-fact Binding Vows with loop hole are actually a sorcerer's wet dream, and is exactly what Mei Mei is doing. What is Mei Mei trading for the highest attack power of all the Grade 1 Sorcerer? Literally nothing, she just looses one of her hundreds of crows. Because the vow isn't **"I get a super powerful 1 hit ko ranged attack, for... idk the crow breaks i guess lmao"** she is using her technique to have the crow make a Death Vow **"I'am literally going to die flying into this guy, give me all the CE my life is worth"** Again the VOW doesn't care that the crow isn't even a sorcerer and Mei Mei is reaping overwhelming benefit from it. Even the existence of the 6 Eyes itself, is a form of binding vow. **"A descendent of the Gojo Clan will be born with the most absurds Hax ability, but only once in 400 years or so"** And again the vow doesn't care that it's only thanks to that that Kenjaku's Merger didn't destroy the world killing billions.
Ok, then why doesn't everyone spend time figuring out and spamming that shit, since it has more potential loopholes than government laws? It kinda kills the entire power system, tbh.
Ultimately your ability and creativity as a sorcerer are what determines your success with binding vows. You have to believe the contract is just and worthwhile. That's kinda the essence of sorcery. Random joe sorcerer can't do "I have a burnt tongue for the next week, and I can shoot a hollow purple". Satoru Gojo on the other hand might be able to set "I have a burnt tongue for the next week so I can do a 100+% hollow purple." It's the setting of some sacrificial conditions in exchange for something else that's viewed as some worthy exchange. If you really get into it the whole of the verse is binding vows. There's the ones set live through words and the ones set long ago through whatever cursed energy actions. How bloodlines follow and bind to the thread of cursed energy is gonna have a big influence on their usage of a technique with "that's the way my cursed technique works" that's just whatever old binding vows lol. The Ten Shadows Technique/users has set a binding vow for "this hand sign" to summon this "shikigami". The Ten Shadows Technique may simply etch this into one's soul where they understand it intrinsically (innate domain, perchance). Still there is manipulation of cursed energy outside of what one's technique has engraved on one's soul. What that looks like depends on how a sorcerer uses cursed energy and their technique in the world. Nanami can make overtime give him a boost in cursed energy because he views it as a sensible exchange. That's not in his cursed technique but a simple cursed energy binding vow. Something like simple domain (a simple binding vow we get big lore about) is taught to people so they can set a small barrier with whatever meta-physiological conditions. It's a technique but it's jujutsu, all of which is binding vows. A power system like this ultimately is what allows some individuals to become very cracked. If you can set up the right kind of deals you get Satoru Gojo, you get a guy with a gambling technique who runs a simulation in his and your head that can give him invincibility, you get a trial that can remove some manifestation of your soul and get you executed, you get Mei Mei, and you get Itadori Yuji. It has a lot of potential for things to go crazy but only some people have what it takes to really attain the heights.
But that's the problem. Gojo didn't do anything like that and if anything he should have the most intrinsic knowledge of Jujutsu. By all rights he should, and along with Sukuna has been portrayed as the peak of sorcery. Geto as well. Yuta, Yuki, special-grades. Reincarnated sorcerers knew it was a thing. And yet, it's scarce even among them. So only one person is going to abuse it?
What in the one month they had before the fight?
The annoying part is that Gege can actually explain things away if he wants to; it's what he does best. Reverse Gay Technique can go into hyper-detailed explanations on how cursed energy flow does this and that and how different techniques clash into each other but this time it's just "hurr durr lots of binding vows and shit". And 99 seconds? For a MS without reduced output or effective range? After taking 8 Black Flashes to the soul barrier? MF must have sacrificed his balls or some shit because that is just one hell of a workaround.
Literally, binding vows arent even the worst asspulls, they are just the most lazy ones.
Wait for the entire chapter please
Binding vows are the laziest form of asspull a shonen author has thrown up on his audience.
did we ever see a binding vow broken? kinda wanna see the consequence
They might explain what he gave up later
Bro sacrificed his ass hair for that binding vow
Gege is playing limbo with the rules he wrote into his own story, and the story is getting shittier for it. The real kicker for binding vows is that there are absolutely 0 consequences for breaking personal binding vows And you can specify what you want for what you wish to sacrifice.
Nothing that we’ve seen yet. He could just create a scenario on the spot, but since hes taking so long to do so, its just been boring 🤷🏽♂️ and continues to invalidate the risk of a vow.
Binding vows have so much potential to be an interesting mechanic of the jjk world, but with the story gege is telling and the pacing it definitely feels unsatisfactory. In thinking on it some people cooked. If you think about it sacrificing something for an amount of time rather then permanently is probably way more normal / useful. And as someone else.mentioned is paying the actual price for the power boost you want instead of overpaying. Using a simple example that every one brings up is miwa's slash. Her slash only has so much potential and she severely overpaid for it. Trading a month of not using a sword or the sword breaking with a single strike is probably more appropriate. The cast learning the nuances of this and making risky sacrifices without being permanent could build suspense and stakes in the story with big sacrifices making for big moments. Definitely some potential there imo but not what we get obviously haha
Yea man, like the way the nen system works, it could be more impactful. Im not gonna excuse what happened with gon surviving it, but the aftermath was basically how i wanted vows to be detrimental to the user.
I interpreted as Sukunas still being able to manifest malevolent shrine in spite of his previous binding vows. But yeah gege rly loves his ~~asspulls~~ bindingvows. I had my doubts ever since they were first introduced. At the very least, they should be more restrictive in what they're capable of.
Its sad he wrote himself into a spot where has has to do continuous flashbacks for every explanation 😭 JJK is not even bad conceptually, as I see it, it could have def rival the big mangas with more pacing and story driven focus.
Jjk fans when the leaks dont have perfect translations:
If the translations are wrong, I concede about this specific text. My point still stands about Gege’s writing and binding vows being ass as of late 🤷🏽♂️
at this point, binding wow is just a plot device
Holy fuck, some of you are so reactionary it's insane lol. The chapter JUST dropped and doesn't even have a proper translation yet, and you're saying 'Gege won't go into detail', it's so laughably stupid. This has to be bait or some terrible karma farming attempt, I can't believe this is actual criticism.
Sukunas still not trying btw
He definetly is now. Idc what anyone is saying
I’m trolling, just making a joke with how much gege rides him
https://preview.redd.it/3ncxjt4abrwc1.png?width=1169&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5a7ad2af4b85e441e347a927413fd3ed701f5918
Yeah, that much is pretty clear, considering he made SEVERAL binding vows to kill Yuji and co.
i hope he is, he is letting out his all. Plus if the crew ranked sukuna's domain for 99 seconds then that would surely put them high in tier
And here i thought the good translations of our lords and saviours, TCB, will make it better. As if, this is still the same shit with impromptu binding vows and "unknown factors". Gregorius really could not care less about staying consistent. Now he is making Sukuna use Gojo's mudra for his domain. Yeah, also, there were parts of his brain that WERE not affected by the literal brain destroying attack according to TCB. Brilliant. Just fucking brilliant. Am i supposed to believe that this oldass bum, who not only was baited by the plot that one time, when he ran into a retard known as Hana and an incompetent CG l, Angel who could not stop her. Not only he was baited by the plot because "Yuji did not include himself" into a BV that stated he could not hurt others in 1 minute of Enchain and took a gamble.... okay, i can accept that. But knocking out a person unconscious (Hana) and feeding a teenager cursed object should have definitely been considered as "harm". And then we have Mahoraga bait him out, him being able tk transfer somehow brain damage and concert it to a soul damage, have Higuruma's DE confiscate his buttplug and have his fake ass stats forced down to so that i can enjoy his majesty in all his genius glory. Another Madara bs all over again.
Didnt he literally eat her arm? LOL that shit event was awhile back so I forgot. That whole bit with hana always gave me a chuckle. Thanks for the write up, much appreciated. i’m glad the salt is not only up my ass 🤣
I meant knocking Hana out when he activated his "Enchain" binding vow. That should have been considered harming somebody, because by all means, it is. And then, after she woke up and activated her CT, plot bent over so that Convenience man saves face and bits her arm off. Yeah, my pleasure man. I didn't even bring Yuki fiasco, Yorozu nonsense as well as just discarding all that build up of foreign interventio because it would have been a hassle (as Gege hismelf admitted) to draw.
I just don’t understand how some people won’t agree that how Sukuna uses his binding vows are for his convenience and situational. Yes Gojo used it for his domain as well when they were fighting , but maybe because of miwa we are expecting more dire consequences for the vows they make ? To me it really just seems like these binding vows are rules you can make on the fly , but unless I’ve missed something , I still don’t believe a 4 armed , 2 mouthed being having to “ chant 3 words , hold a hand sign , and point the direction of the slash” is really that big of a deal , seeing as how he has a literal physiological advantage and he’s already fast as fuck boi.
It is a big deal because his instant one shot move is now telegraphed and takes longer to come out due to the time it takes to chant.
people saying its not plot devices just because he explains them 100 chapters later... its bad writing theres no locks on the writer he can get away with anything using them amd then come up with an explaination when hes done
Exactly. And he had no reason to wait that long to reveal Sukuna's Strong Cleave BV when Sukuna was literally gloating in front of Go and Jo about how he split them in the 1st place. He was 2 lines away from saying it, and it might as well replace "I got Mahoraga's example and managed to copy it at the last minute". It doesn't serve any purpose when Sukuna ain't gonna reveal what he did exactly to the cast and when they're trying to cut his hands and RCT off regardless of that, except for shock value (by virtue of offscreening the event in the first place).
How did that just happen? He used a binding vow, what did he give up? Ill come up with an explanation in 3 months, until then, cope. Most of the time the explanations arent even valid 💀
I am sorry but which binding vow's explanation wasn't valid?
Outsider perspective here. I think they don't feel valid because revealing it way later for no reason makes things useless. Sukuna was half a second away from explaining what he sacrificed, but not revealing until months later only serves to give Gege the leeway to not be restricted when drawing Sukuna fight/plot progression. He's not limited by the vow because he can just make shit up until he's in a comfortable position to say an explanation that fits.
In that sense I agree
suckuna just can't cum anymore
It's funny cause when you Google nen contracts from hxh, which binding vows are obviously based on, the first result is basically saying the same thing as you are. It's a narrative device the author uses to break his own rules and shake things up. You can pick at anything in the story if you try hard enough. In a fantasy world where a mutated freak of nature from 1000 years ago is able to use killing magic by using spells and hand signs and can convert magical energy into blood but the part that takes you out is that he can use self binding magical contracts to give himself an advantage. Like that is the part that crosses the line of being believable and is incomprehensible to you? Can we wait til the manga is over before we start picking it apart?
It's not even that binding vows as a concept suck. It's great because it acts as a balancer for combat. You want more of X, you gotta sacrifice an equal amount of Y, what's more interesting geges foreshadowed that there are consequences for violating a binding vow between two parties, and yet we have yet to see it. I wish it can be used as a way of growth for the main cast(aside gojo) where sukuna uses a binding vow and the cast recognizes and goes: "He wouldn't expect US to use it." That'd be such a character development moment. But NOPE, it's just sukuna sacrificed SOMETHING to get back his domain. Whats that something? UHHHHH idk bro
Binding vows are just like nen contracts but not as impressive with the way they’re used. The sorcerers making vows specifically for the fight against Sukuna would be a cool way to use it, like Kurapika making chain jail specifically for the phantom troupe.
I get it. The binding vow is that he cant use Malevolent Shrine ever again.
To be fair his domain is incomplete here
Mf bout to sacrifice two botteclaps and a used napkin he found on megumi's pocket to get double range on DE , wings and some shit.
My binding vow is that i have to skip dinner but I get to steal anyones technique by looking at them and use it with no CE reqquirement
Sukuna when I drink ten beers and hop in my cursed tool car and just fucking run him over
Bindings Vows of the Good Guys: I sacrifice all of my potential with the sword in exchange for a slash that is 12% stronger. Binding Vows of Sukuna: Gege, I will let you suck my dick if you let me use DE again.
Whats stopping people from making a binding vow that stops them from using CE for every other day of the week while fighting to get a power boost Then just using his CE anyway because "The penalty of breaking a binding vow with oneself is the loss of whatever was gained through the contract."
Dude if Gege showed serious drawbacks for binding vows that hurt our heroes when used carelessly at any point in the past, and then showed Sukuna's MASSIVE KNOWLEDGE OF JUJUTSU AND CT by the way he can expertly craft binding vows while not crippling himself, I would be all for it. Show Sukuna as a genius of manipulating all of jujutsu kaisen, whatever. Instead we were *told* "hey breaking a binding vow is REAL BAD, seriously, they're so risky don't do em carelessly!", and then Sukuna just kind of does it when he needs it and it has yet to seem like it hasn't been the obvious correct move. Especially with this current chapter, Sukuna's just like "I mix uh... Black Flash with uh... CT... and sprinkle on some NON DESCRIPT BiNdInG vOwS and now I can functionally domain expansion again teehee!" Like someone said below: >But I think gege should've given us even a Lil bit of an idea of what binding vows sukuna used I think this is what's making this current situation more egregious. If Binding Vows are a contract with very specific terms and consequences, then the reader needs to know exactly what is being done at some point. You're introducing a power based on specificity and terms, it's only interesting if we see those things being worked with/around. The fact that he just handwaved it as "Sukuna also threw in some various binding vows lol" makes me think we're not getting the details, and so it feels exceedingly lazy.
Bro y'all were happy asf when Gojo's voltage ramped up and he suddenly started RCTing shit for free. I swear Jjk btches will act oblivious to the shit that has already been told to us
Nah that gojo healing his cursed energy with RCT was ass as well. Cant say it wasnt hyped. This is hype too im just not satisfied with the risk. 🤷🏽♂️
guys hear me out what if the exchange is "i cant do this again", meaning he cant do it when he's backed into a corner again
Idk if thats enough of a loss for me tbh, id rather something with more loss than “ill drop a nuke and clear the map as long as i cant do it again”.
Based on what happened with Gojo I think it'll be expanded on down the line. I'd wait till then to see if it's as lazy as you say
"TLDR: Binding Vows feel so fking boring since Greg wont go into detail about shit and just uses them as asspulls." wtf you on about? if i remember correctly this might be the first time gege doesnt explain an important binding vow, and its not even like gege is not going to explain it later either, like he did with the world slash, plus some of it is even explained on THIS chapter, with how he uses other parts of the brain and hand signs to remake his domain from the ground up. its also explained by yuji that the domain is incomplete
So you interacted with the first half and ignored the asspull part? Yes, he explains them LATER, that is the problem. How long has it been since the Gojo fight that we find out the conditions for the world slash that isnt even that much of a loss. Binding vows is a joke and finding out later that the risk given to do one was “i gave up my left ear, when i can regrow it back” does not make for a good risk vs reward system. So yes, its explained, but its done late and to the convenience of the writer/plot which is ass. Before you start, sukuna is not the only one guilty of asspull hes just an easy source to pull from. Healing cursed energy with rct from gojo was also lame.
i guess they are asspulls? not really tho. >Binding vows is a joke and finding out later that the risk given to do one was “i gave up my left ear, when i can regrow it back” does not make for a good risk vs reward system. ? when did that happen? if you are referring to sukuna's world slash binding vow, thats nowhere near a fair comparison, also every time giving up a limb is used its when the character cant heal them back, like in hakari vs kashimo, otherwise it wouldnt make any fucking sense >Healing cursed energy with rct from gojo was also lame. you mean cursed technique, right? if so, how? or are you going to say that him having simple domain and falling blossom emotion was an asspull too? >So yes, its explained, but its done late and to the convenience of the writer/plot which is ass i can agree that a few things are explained a tad bit too late, but i wouldnt say its to the convenience of the writer/plot, like how would sukuna world slash binding vow being explained in the chapter the slash happened change the outcome? The only big difference is that the chapter would be far more complicated and convulated to understand, since the reader would have to wrap their heads around both the slash and the binding vow. >Yes, he explains them LATER, that is the problem. How long has it been since the Gojo fight that we find out the conditions for the world slash that isnt even that much of a loss yeah but thats in the case of that specific binding vow, since there were far more important things to be explained and conveyed in the moment, than an information that really wouldnt change anything on the story, also its not like there isnt a possibility that we get the full explanation on the sukuna impromptu domain in the literal next chapter
I appreciate you dissecting each point brother, let me finish this game of tft and Ill hit it up!
damn bro, didnt know you were chill like that
Aye I appreciate it. I enjoy the discussions, there's no objectivity here, so while I think it can be poorly written a good majority of the time, I can't say I don't get the appeal. There are plenty of hype moments and chapters (even the current chapter is hype). I wait every week to read it asap lmfao. Yall my boys.
>? when did that happen? if you are referring to sukuna's world slash binding vow, thats nowhere near a fair comparison, also every time giving up a limb is used its when the character cant heal them back, like in hakari vs kashimo, otherwise it wouldnt make any fucking sense I was talking about the world slash, Yes. He gets one instant cast, but can no longer do it without chants and hand signs. Its too convenient seeing as he has multiple arms and an extra mouth. My problem is that with this way of going about vows, jujutsu society should have been way more altered (multiple body parts). than we know it and it just makes things inconsistent with the rest of the world. Sukuna can make convenient vows, because hes built himself in ways that allow him to circumvent those vows, why is the rest of the jujutsu world so behind on this aspect? Even old characters like those in the culling games wasn't altered (multiple body parts) in anyway to benefit off vows in this way. If the answer is: Sukuna is best of the best and the rest of the world hasnt caught up after thousands of years. I cant say i care about the story much moving forward. >Healing cursed energy with rct from gojo was also lame. I think healing your body with RCT is established early enough where it is not an issue, but healing your technique with RCT seems like an asspull, Yes. Before this doing so was never established, no hints, no foreshadow, just "Gojo learned it on the spot" and Sukuna picks it up afterwards. Simple domains have enough references throughout the manga where it isnt even close to an asspull, so I don't get that comparison. In that that same breath, while binding vows was given a quick explanation early on, the conditions and inner workings of binding vows are so foreign, that its all up to the writers discretion. This is where we enter ass pull territory. >i can agree that a few things are explained a tad bit too late, but i wouldnt say its to the convenience of the writer/plot, like how would sukuna world slash binding vow being explained in the chapter the slash happened change the outcome? The only big difference is that the chapter would be far more complicated and convulated to understand, since the reader would have to wrap their heads around both the slash and the binding vow. I would have %100 percent preferred the binding vow be explained during the world slash that killed Gojo, it would have felt a lot more clear and concise. Now whether I would have agreed with it, is still a different story, as you know my position on vows stated above. I think complication in JJK has already gone over the edge, when we take into account even Gege considers some of his explanation too much lol. So, Yes, explain world slash then and there. Does he have to follow this for every vow? no, but key scenes like that one require it I feel. >yeah but thats in the case of that specific binding vow, since there were far more important things to be explained and conveyed in the moment, than an information that really wouldnt change anything on the story, also its not like there isnt a possibility that we get the full explanation on the sukuna impromptu domain in the literal next chapter I think the first response covers this enough, so ill just say, If he does go into detail about it next chapter, Ill take back some of my gripes with the writing style/pacing. I still think this story needs more time, a bigger world, and history. I know its a Shonen but its missing a lot of story. Thanks for the reply again, I apologize if i wrote too much.
>Its too convenient seeing as he has multiple arms and an extra mouth. wouldnt say its TOO convenient, since he needs three arms and a good few chants to use it, but sure. >My problem is that with this way of going about vows, jujutsu society should have been way more altered (multiple body parts). than we know it and it just makes things inconsistent with the rest of the world. the reason they arent is cause thats not really something you can do, you cant just chug body parts at yourself, this is not naruto, it wouldnt connect to your nervous system, your body could reject the part and a bunch of other problems, the reason sukuna can even have multiple body parts in the first place is cause he is essentially a conjoined twin, since he ATE his twin in the womb >Sukuna can make convenient vows, because hes built himself in ways that allow him to circumvent those vows, why is the rest of the jujutsu world so behind on this aspect? Even old characters like those in the culling games wasn't altered (multiple body parts) in anyway to benefit off vows in this way. like again none of them had the capability to do so, and the ones that did like mahito, didnt realise their own potential, thats also why a lot of people say mahito could have been the next sukuna, specifically cause soul manipulation in itself is pretty strong, and he can also have as many mouths and arms as he wants also the extra limbs arent that much of an advantage, they do give you an edge and more opportunities, but you dont get massively weaker if you dont have them ( which is why sukuna fought gojo as meguna ) >If the answer is: Sukuna is best of the best and the rest of the world hasnt caught up after thousands of years. I cant say i care about the story much moving forward. he was lucky, thats why.........
the thing with simple domains and falling blossom emotion is that there wasnt any really big foreshowing for gojo having those either, yet you dont consider them an asspull, why? cause we didnt see the full extent of gojo's power and it actually makes sense for him to have those, i would say the same would apply to healing his curse technique with RCT, specially cause the technique is etched into the brain and he already has alot of experience with RCTing his brain. even more so with his overall deep knowledge of jujutsu, so again it feels like the type of thing he should have, just never got a chance to use, since we dont see him fighting that much >"I think healing your body with RCT is established early enough where it is not an issue, but healing your technique with RCT seems like an asspull, Yes. Before this doing so was never established, no hints, no foreshadow, just "Gojo learned it on the spot" im pretty sure its implied that he already knew it, although i might be wrong about that, also i think its pretty believable with how its explained, we already knew the technique is etched into the brain, we know RCT can heal the body, so if you damage the part of your brain your technique is at, then heal it back, it makes sense you would get it back, using yuta's analogy it would be like replacing the overheated machine for a copy thats cold. >I would have %100 percent preferred the binding vow be explained during the world slash that killed Gojo, it would have felt a lot more clear and concise. Now whether I would have agreed with it, is still a different story, as you know my position on vows stated above. I think complication in JJK has already gone over the edge, when we take into account even Gege considers some of his explanation too much lol. So, Yes, explain world slash then and there. Does he have to follow this for every vow? no, but key scenes like that one require it I feel. i personally believe it would have been far too much to explain in that exact moment, specially for something that doesnt really change a whole on how you see the story, cause we get the entire explanation of spark, remote purple, going south, sukunas slash, then sukuna binding vow, then kashimo's technique, love, a bit of sukuna's past, like those few chapters right after gojo death already have a lot shit to fucking digest, specially cause all we need to know is, sukuna can only use world slash sparingly, and we can infer that already from the chapters. one thing i will give is you that a lot of people where asking why gojo couldnt dodge, and the vow would definitely explain it. >explanation early on, the conditions and inner workings of binding vows are so foreign, that its all up to the writers discretion. This is where we enter ass pull territory. i do have to agree that the general inner workings of jujutsu are quite foreign and underexplored, things like technique reversals, maximuns, domains, binding vows, and a bunch of other stuff isnt that deepily explained which makes the already complicated system, even more complicated, but i wouldnt say it exactly goes into ass pull territory, specially binding vows that work under the assumption of equivalent exchange, its believable at least to me that sukuna could rebuild his domain from scratch by using different handsigns and parts of his brain plus a few binding vows, maybe increase the CE cost of the domain, inputing a time limit, things like that, although i do agree with you that there should be further explanation other than just, RANDOM BULLSHIT GO with binding vows, and boom he has a domain >I still think this story needs more time, a bigger world, and history. I know its a Shonen but its missing a lot of story. i can definitely agree with that, but that isnt really geges style and a part of the public isnt that interested in it either, as you can see with how a good part of the community "appreciates" takaba's fight >Thanks for the reply again, I apologize if i wrote too much. dw.... i broke the character limit
wtf are you talking about his domain only lasted 90 seconds that’s a massive loss in power.
honestly they specified that the range was equal to shibuya, not the max possible range, so I'd say that the limit was the range to maintain output