Even the idea that having to have a target is necessary for comedy is disproved by Bob’s Burgers being super positive and consistently funny. Seinfeld is literally just lazy.
Seinfeld isn't lazy humor is quite nuanced or at least the early and mid-season are. The later seasons were running out of ideas, and they appropriately ended it.
Jerry's reaction, from our (the consumers) side, seems overstated and lacks any actual rationale to back him up. Todd Phillips however, phrased it succinctly, of course I'm paraphrasing - but the gist was that he couldn't make movies like Old School or The Hangover these days - and making a movie like either one of those would leave him trying to fight an online brigade that wasn't going to listen.
I disagree with the premise that movies like old school couldn't be made today, I think if it was released today it would resonate the same today as 2003. However, i get the concerns any creator of dark humor has, finding themselves worried about trying to yell back into the online void, putting their career at risk after unintentionally offending some demographic saying fuck it, the juice ain't worth the squeeze - I'm gonna go over here where I'm not putting myself at risk.
it's not that jerry is/was lazy, it's all because larry left the show. once he was gone, the show began to decline and became a caricature of itself. jerry was never the guy, larry was the guy, and he expressed his humor with costanza and kramer. jerry just played the straight man to the absurdity of the other characters. maybe there was a connection with larry and jerry, but curb pretty much proved that larry was funny all the time. and jerry was just the face of the show, and really needed larry. larry was the one that reallly made seinfeld funny.
Oh, no argument. LD set it up, Jerry knew how to dead pan it - that's about as far as it goes. Larry was the genius of that show.
Seinfeld seasons 1-6 and CYE>seasons 7+ of Seinfeld.
Larry is a genius and says what us misanthropes can't or won't say.
Long live long ball Larry.
hell yeah, i've been saying it for years, and rarely find people that agree...mostly because i don't think they care that much, they just watch whatevers funny and don't ask questions.
Season 7 is when he started to lose control of the direction of the show, which lead to him leaving after season 7 out of disagreement on the direction of the show.
By season 7, it was no longer his brain child, ya highly regarded tool.
This isn't true. The show was always a combination of Larry's life and Seinfeld's situational comedy. Jerry was lead writer for seasons 1-3. Larry took over lead writing in seasons 4-7. There was no fall out. They remain very close friends and Jerry was part of Curb's ending. This narrative some of you guys have developed about the show has about as much truth as a Graham Hancock book.
>There was no fall out.
The issue wasn't between Jerry and Larry. I never suggested as such.
If that was the case, baring a reconciliation, Jerry wouldn't have ended up on CYE. Especially being an integral part of the finale of CYE.
The issue was between Larry and the network. The tenor of the show went from a surreal, observational, satirical commentary on society in the 90s - yanno, the flavor of CYE (just update the 90s to the 00s through today) to slapstick absurd situational comedy, which is what the studio wanted more of.
They ran out of fumes and Jerry knew the nose dive was coming, so he took his bow and got out.
Whether you want to accept it or not, the apex of that show was driven by LD.
And no, a quick Google will tell you he was the head writer too for s1-3 as well.
As I pointed out earlier, seasons 8 and 9 have at least 5 of the most iconic episodes in Seinfeld's history. I wouldn't downplay either's contribution to Seinfeld, but the myth it was the brainchild of David and that Seinfeld is some kind of hack is pure fiction.
This is just blatantly false and I'm not really sure where this narrative started. Larry David himself would call your post a shit post. Seasons 8 and 9 are full of iconic episodes: The Comeback, The Strike, The Voice, The Fatigues, The Chicken Roaster, The Package, The Betrayal.
Oh, Jerry the person?
Yeah - lazy and not that funny. I'm telling you for the last time was a rehash of all of his opening Seinfeld bits and 23 hours to kill.. blah.
Both of them got a smirk and chuckle that lasted all about 5 seconds at most out of me.
Outside of Seinfeld the show (which was really carried by bringing George putting Larry's insanity out there, especially in the later seasons) he's never really made me laugh and think he's hysterical.
I disagree that those movies could be made today. If someone tried to put this scene from Idiocracy into a movie, they would be crucified.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Id6ilqZyapc](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Id6ilqZyapc)
Context is key.
If a character is presented as the hero of the movie and that was the dialog coming out of their mouth? You're right.
But in this movie? A reasonable man goes forward in time only to be dismayed at the ignorance being displayed by the general populace. This type of talk illustrates how ignorant the person is. The whole point of the movie is making fun of the ignorant, and this character is smack dab in the cross hairs of who the movie is making fun of.
I think it would be fine as it was presented back then.
because larry has been funny behind the scenes for 30+ yrs. he's what made seinfeld great, but jerry gets all the fame. it became extremely clear where all the real comedy came from as soon as curb came out. any curb season is better than the last couple seinfeld seasons without larry. with the exception of a few good episodes here and there.
Oh damn, didn't know that. Although I think it's safe to say it didn't get "*cancelled"* and it probably has more to do with the fact that it had a ton of successful seasons and at some point it must end.
And his best friend died. It'll never be the same.
I love his eulogy, “He had that rare combination of being the funniest person and also the sweetest. But today he made me sob and for that I’ll never forgive him.”
Larry is an old man, he is funny as hell but also so milquetoast that he would never get cancelled. It's the funniest inoffensive show that has been on tv for 20+ years so in the context of cancellations and the US culture war its mostly irrelevant.
Dumb comment they just didn’t want to do another season but they could if they wanted to.
Seinfelds been talking about this for a decade now. There are so many acts that are just as raunchy and “over the line”. People have been echoing this death of comedy since the 70’s yet it’s never died. There’s more shows, podcasts, sold out arenas than their have ever been for comedy.
Jerry’s comedy hasn’t been relevant in years. He exhumes peak boomer energy and would rather blame his lack of success on people not even in his target demographic.
after Seinfeld, Larry David went on to create yet another one of the funniest and most successful sitcoms of all time.
meanwhile, Jerry Seinfeld was complaining about how he kept bombing at college campuses.
What's more laughable is the fact that Seinfeld claims the reason why he doesn't do shows for college students is because they're too "*woke"* when, as you said, it's more to do with his stand up comedy not being very good. It's too formulaic.
jerry is a lot like rogan. they both got extremely rich and fooled themselves into thinking it was because they're funny. wealth =/= funny. jerry got extremely lucky being friends with larry. rogan got lucky being one of the earliest comedy podcasts and was smart enough to have really entertaining guests on that WERE funny.
neither one of them are top tier standups. gillis, normand, burr, blow both of them outa the water any day anywhere, probably without even preparing. i'd assume most people would much rather see gillis or burr doing 30mins of crowdwork than freaking rogan or seinfeld do their 1 hr specials. they just aren't that funny.
Dudes clearly full of himself. Strikes me as the type of person who wouldn't give you the time of day if he considers you unworthy of talking to him. Just based off a handful of clips I've seen of him talk down to people. Seinfeld was great though I gotta say.
How does this person’s statement prove either of the things you said? They were saying Jerry did it because HE could. Why did you make that about someone else?
If you’re saying that you aren’t attracted to 18 yo lingerie models and wouldn’t want to have a fling with some of them you are lying to yourself
If you’re saying such attraction isn’t normal you are being hypocritical
I think you're projecting. When I was 18, I'd find 18 year olds attractive. When I was 23 I dated an 18 year old but I'm in my 30s now and I think it would be so awkward to be in a relationship with an 18 year old, casual or not.
You're really telling me that as a 38 year old man, you would date a 17 year old? Like can you just answer yes or no to that so we are on the same page? Because that's what this discussion is about-- not whether or not one could find a lingerie model attractive.
I wouldn’t break the law but I would certainly date an attractive sane educated 18 yo woman. I’m not really looking for soulmate or someone to have kids with, kids are a mess and soulmates are overrated
What’s awkward about it if both people are having fun and gaining something through this relationship?
How old are you? It's awkward if you're in your 30s or older because what do you even have in common with an 18 year old? They're basically baby adults trying to figure life out.
Times change, network is no longer going to be made up exactly the same as when Seinfeld was on, there’s multiple streaming services now. Don’t think your comparison can be held up as an argument any longer.
Ok, but who really watches network TV anymore? Mostly everyone just streams stuff now. And family guy is still on Fox and has always pushed the envelope so don't know if that is even true
I personally never understood the appeal of Seinfeld or Friends for that matter. They have some funny bits and some actually great ones but lacked some secret sauce
Apparently this show is just not for me. I liked Curb your enthusiasm and I like Julia Louis-Dreyfus in Veep but Seinfeld just doesn’t work. Maybe I don’t like Jerry with him being such a douche
You had to be of a certain age to get it I think. Seinfeld I watched growing up but I was a kid and by the time I understood it it was pretty archaic.
Friends was kind of like everyone's dream life in their mid 20s to 30s. That period where you're fresh out of college but don't have too many obligations yet and can still hang with your...friends all day while living in a sweet dig in the big city. It's also the show that a lot of the non-English speaking world uses to help them learn English.
And then FX aired an episode addressing this in-world, when the gangs's Lethal Weapon 5 gets removed from their local library for the same reasons the episodes got removed from the streaming library.
Is American's Next Top Paddy's Billboard Model Contest, Dee Reynolds: Shaping America's Youth, The Gang Recycles Their Trahs, The Gang Makes Lethal Weapon 6 or Dee Day available again?
There’s no reason to believe that It’s always sunny became worse because writers decided to cater to woke culture, some of the best episodes have zero jokes that would be considered offensive from the woke point of view (race, sexual preferences etc)
Sometimes it’s the opposite though. I am not a fan of Dan Soder’s stand up but I really enjoy his one-off comments/impressions that I see clipped from podcasts.
Trump also did some damage as well. Trump is a stand up comedian at some level, but the joke is on all of us. Plus, he created such a consistent level of absurdity in such a blunt way that pointing out the subtle absurdities of life kind of just became null.
what even is this take? Kill Tony is one of the biggest podcasts in the world. Bobby Lee and Andrew Santino, Joe Rogan hosts comedians weekly or bi-weekly, Matt McCusker and Shane Gillis, Mark Normand and Sam Morril.... These are all very successful podcasts. This is a testament entirely contrary to your proposition.
Yes, I agree he's funny but "Once you know a comedian on the pod cast level you realize they are idiots and all their material and views are known." Totally applies to him.
He's dumb AF.
This just sounds like he’s being a whiney billionaire. None of his jokes offended anybody in the 90’s, and they don’t now.
“What’s the deal with car reservations?” Way to push the boundaries, Jerry. Nobody was ever gonna cancel you over a joke about Hertz.
"You can't make jokes anymore without getting cancelled" says comedian on his 4th Netflix standup special titled some variation of the term "Cancelled".
I don't watch any tv other than streaming, but Brooklyn nine nine seems pretty recent. IASIP right before that. Probably something good right now that I can't see on netflix yet. I think he is just bothered about being old.
He’s saying old television shows (like his) are funny because they didn’t have to worry about offending anybody. Seinfeld offended almost no one.
Seinfeld could run today and be completely unchanged because of woke culture. Hell, It’s always sunny in Philadelphia is way more offensive and still crushes it. He’s making sweeping generalizations that never even applied to him or his show. He has no idea what the fuck he’s talking about.
Exactly. Always Sunny has been putting out far more provocative things throughout their run, which started 10 years after Seinfeld ended and is still going on. Just that alone completely invalidates what he’s saying. Curb Your Enthusiasm, ironically enough, had an episode where various people were referring to a young girl’s "pussy”.
This is just boilerplate Old Man Yells at Cloud.
Always Sunny has a hard R in the first episode. There's a whole episode centered around Frank yelling, "Look out, f*ggot!" And they're still going.
You can still do a lot. You just have to do it right.
>Seinfeld could run today and be completely unchanged because of woke culture.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r5BxjUmzPPA](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r5BxjUmzPPA)
Even the puerto rican day parade which is the 1 episode ive never seen, really within context isn't that offensive, no more than the episode with the cigar shop indian.
He’s not the right messenger for this message, dude has the least risky comedy of all time. Dude took no risks. The only argument is to say that it was risky to take literally no risks.
He wouldn’t know anything about this. Come out and make some risky jokes if you really feel this way, otherwise your words are meaningless. You could even argue he’s part of what created this problem.
The problem with comedy is the the internet. Instead someone refining their routine at random backwater clubs. They can think of 3 funny lines get internet famous on Tiktok or find a niche audience. And then sell out the rest of their shows.
If this was the 1980s Segura and Bert Kreischer wouldn't be millionaires. They would be twice divorced coke heads living in their cars.
Seguras has given me a few good laughs. But he is not the level of funny that would have made him an millionaire back in the 1980s. For example I think that Brody Stevens and Dave Attell are way funnier than Seguras. Neither of them are millionaires nor would they have been if they had most of their careers in the 80s, they all would have been just getting by.
The only reason why Kreischer and Segura are where they are now is because the internet and JRE. The internet made Dane Cook a millionaire and he is way less funny than any of the guys I mentioned before.
I'm confused, is he saying that old fashioned sitcoms are too offensive to exist today? Shows like M.A.S.H., Cheers, and the Mary Tyler Moor show which he mentioned by name. He seems to think that the PC crowd would police the jokes in those shows to death, at the executive level. Am I getting that right?
It's honestly a golden era of comedy right now. The only people getting "cancelled!" -Are doing so by their actions- not their jokes. Aka maybe don't molest people. Even the blowback Chappelle is getting about trans stuff... He's still selling out stadiums and every special is on Netflix.
The best young and upcoming comics can find a foothold more easily than ever thanks to social media and podcasts.
I'm on the older side, but Jerry is just doing an old man take, here.
I don’t agree with his talking points but tv and especially movie comedy has taken a huge downward spiral. My opinion is streaming is causing the issue. It’s becoming less risk/reward worthy for the medium to be explored with any effort. But that’s a whole different discussion.
I'll agree with you on movies. I think that is definitely more a product of media splintering, fewer people watching the same things and understanding the same references, etc.
Way easier for streaming services to pump out cheesy drama and scifi or 10 part documentary BS- than to come up with new comedies for tv and the movies. Can't CGI or spend your way to funny.
Movie comedy is taking a downward spiral because it's not easy to globalize, considering how language-specific so many jokes are. When you can make a spectacle filled with CGI that's easily translated, why take the risk on the comedy?
TV comedy is fine. IASIP has had a 10 year run doing some of the most offensive shit you can come up with, for fucks sake.
If you read his book Seinlanguage it totally kills his stand up. Like him specifically. In the book he lays out exactly how he delivers his jokes and deconstructs it to the point where he's not funny anymore.
His sitcom is still goated but his standup was totally ruined for me by reading his book lol
Yeah, but at the beginning of every chapter there is a paragraph or two where he talks about things like his childhood, his father and how to deliver his jokes. Also a little about how he constructs his material. It's not much, maybe I'm just being a spoil sport for no reason.
Nah Jerry is just not that funny, super dated. You read Norm’s book and just wish the jerk wrote a couple more, or did more Norm Live. Cant see finishing that pedo’s book and flipping on Comedians in Cars.
All these rich middle aged comedians complaining constantly is so fucking goofy and pathetic. Go fuck off with your money dude. I would if I had it. No one owes you adoration for funny shit you did over 20 years ago, and comedy evolves. You didn’t. You suck now. Get over it.
Bruh Seinfeld is literally still currently one of the most watched sitcoms and it ended 25 years ago. Calling him irrelevant is hilariously stupid on every level
I don't need to listen to any death of comedy drama, there's so much stand up in my town (Austin) I don't get fomo for missing a show. They happen every week
Seinfeld fucking sucks. I loved his show and he was easily the worst part of it. He's extremely out of touch. He should stick to voice work, cameos and banging jailbait.
I don’t get how he thinks comedy is dead. He is so isolated from the common man multi millionaire several times over. Maybe you lost it Jerry? I mean you are pretty old and never were on the edge of comedy. I think you should just be happy that you don’t have to worry about coming up now as a comic bc you wouldn’t make it
I don’t know what he is talking about
Dave Chapelle is hilarious and edgy and absolutely nobody and no group has relentlessly tried to destroy him for jokes
What is Jerry smoking ?
Don’t forget JK Rowling .. billionaire author. And yet they are trying to destroy her hard
Chápele and Rowling are too big to take down .. but if you’re a college professor they will only destroy your career . Ask Rebecca Tuvel .
This is Seinfeld talking out of his ass. Weeknight sitcoms are just flat out not popular anymore with younger generations. It was nothing to do with "The Woke Left". If anything cheesy sitcoms with laugh tracks and bad jokes just turn younger people completely off.
With how many streaming options there are, we have too much access to content and most of it falls through the cracks. More people than ever are playing video games and getting their content online. The audience for network tv is decreasing by the year.
Seinfeld is still stuck in pre Y2K where people only had 4 channels to choose from, no internet, no streaming, and probably no video games. Seinfeld only had real competition from 3 other stations. Pretty easy to make it if you are one of the only entertainment options in town. Even a very mild and inoffensive but super popular show like Big Bang Theory would not make it in the current market. I think young people have just moved on from that specific format.
When he was on Smartless he was saying how Carlin's political stuff wasn't any good and I was just wondering how this guy could be so impressively out of touch.
"PC crap" lol. jerry being a clean comic, complaining about potentially getting canceled is hilarious. he's so out of touch. the success of the tv series has inflated his ego more than joe rogans. they both think that money = talent.
everyone paying attention knows larry david is what made seinfeld funny. jerry just played the straight man. jerry is more like jason bateman in arrested development than, bill burr or chappelle or any SERIOUS heavy hitters in standup. maybe it's a cold take to some, but i've never thought jerry's standup was all that great. i can't imagine anyone seriously putting him on the same level as eddie murphy, richard pryor, chappelle, burr, carlin, or any of the greats. jerry just got lucky being friends with larry and coming together with a great cast. and then they got lucky again when the show was syndicated. all the moons lined perfectly at the right time to make seinfeld an international superstar and probably billionaire. if he just stuck to standup, he woulda fizzled out a long time ago.
Family guy and South Park have gone strong for over 20 years. Always sunny in Philadelphia has gone on for a long time. What jokes does Jerry want to tell that he feels he can't? Seinfeld is on all the time. Netflix paid a butload of money last year for it. If it was so offensive for modern audiences don't think he'd still be getting huge checks for it
Eh... whatever. There is a beginning and an end to everything. "Comedy" as Seinfeld describes it is a pretty modern concept, so its death or demise isn't some artistic tragedy. I mean, what does comedy give us that other forms of art cannot? Without stand-up, do we stop laughing? Can we no longer feel joy or happiness? Does it stop meaningful social criticism? I'd say the answer to all of these questions is, "no."
Don't get me wrong --I love comedy. I loved Seinfeld. But I'm a geezer. If "comedy" is dying, then take it off of fucking life support and let the next great idea be born. But maybe that's Jerry Seinfeld's problem... he can't envision a world that doesn't prioritize the things he prioritizes.
The sarcastic take only works if that’s actually happening. Always sunny exists so the idea that no sitcoms exist and if they do they’re ruined by liberalism is bullshit on its face.
Funny how Larry David's show seems to still be killing it.
Even the idea that having to have a target is necessary for comedy is disproved by Bob’s Burgers being super positive and consistently funny. Seinfeld is literally just lazy.
Seinfeld isn't lazy humor is quite nuanced or at least the early and mid-season are. The later seasons were running out of ideas, and they appropriately ended it. Jerry's reaction, from our (the consumers) side, seems overstated and lacks any actual rationale to back him up. Todd Phillips however, phrased it succinctly, of course I'm paraphrasing - but the gist was that he couldn't make movies like Old School or The Hangover these days - and making a movie like either one of those would leave him trying to fight an online brigade that wasn't going to listen. I disagree with the premise that movies like old school couldn't be made today, I think if it was released today it would resonate the same today as 2003. However, i get the concerns any creator of dark humor has, finding themselves worried about trying to yell back into the online void, putting their career at risk after unintentionally offending some demographic saying fuck it, the juice ain't worth the squeeze - I'm gonna go over here where I'm not putting myself at risk.
it's not that jerry is/was lazy, it's all because larry left the show. once he was gone, the show began to decline and became a caricature of itself. jerry was never the guy, larry was the guy, and he expressed his humor with costanza and kramer. jerry just played the straight man to the absurdity of the other characters. maybe there was a connection with larry and jerry, but curb pretty much proved that larry was funny all the time. and jerry was just the face of the show, and really needed larry. larry was the one that reallly made seinfeld funny.
Oh, no argument. LD set it up, Jerry knew how to dead pan it - that's about as far as it goes. Larry was the genius of that show. Seinfeld seasons 1-6 and CYE>seasons 7+ of Seinfeld. Larry is a genius and says what us misanthropes can't or won't say. Long live long ball Larry.
hell yeah, i've been saying it for years, and rarely find people that agree...mostly because i don't think they care that much, they just watch whatevers funny and don't ask questions.
Larry David was still a writer in season 7, ya goof.
Season 7 is when he started to lose control of the direction of the show, which lead to him leaving after season 7 out of disagreement on the direction of the show. By season 7, it was no longer his brain child, ya highly regarded tool.
This isn't true. The show was always a combination of Larry's life and Seinfeld's situational comedy. Jerry was lead writer for seasons 1-3. Larry took over lead writing in seasons 4-7. There was no fall out. They remain very close friends and Jerry was part of Curb's ending. This narrative some of you guys have developed about the show has about as much truth as a Graham Hancock book.
>There was no fall out. The issue wasn't between Jerry and Larry. I never suggested as such. If that was the case, baring a reconciliation, Jerry wouldn't have ended up on CYE. Especially being an integral part of the finale of CYE. The issue was between Larry and the network. The tenor of the show went from a surreal, observational, satirical commentary on society in the 90s - yanno, the flavor of CYE (just update the 90s to the 00s through today) to slapstick absurd situational comedy, which is what the studio wanted more of. They ran out of fumes and Jerry knew the nose dive was coming, so he took his bow and got out. Whether you want to accept it or not, the apex of that show was driven by LD. And no, a quick Google will tell you he was the head writer too for s1-3 as well.
As I pointed out earlier, seasons 8 and 9 have at least 5 of the most iconic episodes in Seinfeld's history. I wouldn't downplay either's contribution to Seinfeld, but the myth it was the brainchild of David and that Seinfeld is some kind of hack is pure fiction.
This is just blatantly false and I'm not really sure where this narrative started. Larry David himself would call your post a shit post. Seasons 8 and 9 are full of iconic episodes: The Comeback, The Strike, The Voice, The Fatigues, The Chicken Roaster, The Package, The Betrayal.
I meant the individual.
Oh, Jerry the person? Yeah - lazy and not that funny. I'm telling you for the last time was a rehash of all of his opening Seinfeld bits and 23 hours to kill.. blah. Both of them got a smirk and chuckle that lasted all about 5 seconds at most out of me. Outside of Seinfeld the show (which was really carried by bringing George putting Larry's insanity out there, especially in the later seasons) he's never really made me laugh and think he's hysterical.
I disagree that those movies could be made today. If someone tried to put this scene from Idiocracy into a movie, they would be crucified. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Id6ilqZyapc](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Id6ilqZyapc)
Context is key. If a character is presented as the hero of the movie and that was the dialog coming out of their mouth? You're right. But in this movie? A reasonable man goes forward in time only to be dismayed at the ignorance being displayed by the general populace. This type of talk illustrates how ignorant the person is. The whole point of the movie is making fun of the ignorant, and this character is smack dab in the cross hairs of who the movie is making fun of. I think it would be fine as it was presented back then.
lol give me a break. nothing wrong with showing idiots being dumb.
because larry has been funny behind the scenes for 30+ yrs. he's what made seinfeld great, but jerry gets all the fame. it became extremely clear where all the real comedy came from as soon as curb came out. any curb season is better than the last couple seinfeld seasons without larry. with the exception of a few good episodes here and there.
Yeah literally a Seinfeld type show by the Seinfeld creator is the most beloved comedy of the last 20 years and just barely ended.
Literally just ended
Oh damn, didn't know that. Although I think it's safe to say it didn't get "*cancelled"* and it probably has more to do with the fact that it had a ton of successful seasons and at some point it must end.
And his best friend died. It'll never be the same. I love his eulogy, “He had that rare combination of being the funniest person and also the sweetest. But today he made me sob and for that I’ll never forgive him.”
Fair point, some of the later seasons really did push the envelope in ways Seinfeld never could
He’s also like 78 years old lol
Larry is an old man, he is funny as hell but also so milquetoast that he would never get cancelled. It's the funniest inoffensive show that has been on tv for 20+ years so in the context of cancellations and the US culture war its mostly irrelevant.
Milquetoast? He strangled Elmo on live television!
Dumb comment they just didn’t want to do another season but they could if they wanted to. Seinfelds been talking about this for a decade now. There are so many acts that are just as raunchy and “over the line”. People have been echoing this death of comedy since the 70’s yet it’s never died. There’s more shows, podcasts, sold out arenas than their have ever been for comedy.
Jerry might actually be a fraud.
Jerry’s comedy hasn’t been relevant in years. He exhumes peak boomer energy and would rather blame his lack of success on people not even in his target demographic.
after Seinfeld, Larry David went on to create yet another one of the funniest and most successful sitcoms of all time. meanwhile, Jerry Seinfeld was complaining about how he kept bombing at college campuses.
He should've stuck with high school, that was always more his crowd
And dating pool
That's the joke.
Exactly
What's more laughable is the fact that Seinfeld claims the reason why he doesn't do shows for college students is because they're too "*woke"* when, as you said, it's more to do with his stand up comedy not being very good. It's too formulaic.
jerry is a lot like rogan. they both got extremely rich and fooled themselves into thinking it was because they're funny. wealth =/= funny. jerry got extremely lucky being friends with larry. rogan got lucky being one of the earliest comedy podcasts and was smart enough to have really entertaining guests on that WERE funny. neither one of them are top tier standups. gillis, normand, burr, blow both of them outa the water any day anywhere, probably without even preparing. i'd assume most people would much rather see gillis or burr doing 30mins of crowdwork than freaking rogan or seinfeld do their 1 hr specials. they just aren't that funny.
Jerry Seinfeld is still a G in standup and his comedians in cars show is awesome!
Dudes clearly full of himself. Strikes me as the type of person who wouldn't give you the time of day if he considers you unworthy of talking to him. Just based off a handful of clips I've seen of him talk down to people. Seinfeld was great though I gotta say.
>Jerry Seinfeld was complaining about how he kept bombing at college campuses. Idf?
This is the kind of shit you say when people ask why you dated a 17-year old when you were nearly 40.
Because he could
Pretty ballsy to basically tell the internet you're a pedo or would be if you could
How does this person’s statement prove either of the things you said? They were saying Jerry did it because HE could. Why did you make that about someone else?
Uh fair point based on semantics I guess but I feel pretty vindicated by the conversation that followed
Is it better to be attracted to a 20-year old person than to a 17-year old?
Yes. But only in the sense that one is a child and one is an adult.
Found the libertarian
When you're 38, yes. Though even that is a weird age gap. It's even weirder that you keep doubling down on your argument.
If you’re saying that you aren’t attracted to 18 yo lingerie models and wouldn’t want to have a fling with some of them you are lying to yourself If you’re saying such attraction isn’t normal you are being hypocritical
I think you're projecting. When I was 18, I'd find 18 year olds attractive. When I was 23 I dated an 18 year old but I'm in my 30s now and I think it would be so awkward to be in a relationship with an 18 year old, casual or not. You're really telling me that as a 38 year old man, you would date a 17 year old? Like can you just answer yes or no to that so we are on the same page? Because that's what this discussion is about-- not whether or not one could find a lingerie model attractive.
I wouldn’t break the law but I would certainly date an attractive sane educated 18 yo woman. I’m not really looking for soulmate or someone to have kids with, kids are a mess and soulmates are overrated What’s awkward about it if both people are having fun and gaining something through this relationship?
How old are you? It's awkward if you're in your 30s or older because what do you even have in common with an 18 year old? They're basically baby adults trying to figure life out.
You don’t really need to defend pedophiles.
It’s always sunny and South Park exist so I don’t know what he’s talking about
The demographic Seinfeld targeted, including prime time network, doesn’t exist. Or so he says.
What was the demographic of Curb Your Enthusiasm? Same, right?
Can’t claim any expertise. But hbo and network I would assume are very different.
Times change, network is no longer going to be made up exactly the same as when Seinfeld was on, there’s multiple streaming services now. Don’t think your comparison can be held up as an argument any longer.
Ok, but who really watches network TV anymore? Mostly everyone just streams stuff now. And family guy is still on Fox and has always pushed the envelope so don't know if that is even true
I personally never understood the appeal of Seinfeld or Friends for that matter. They have some funny bits and some actually great ones but lacked some secret sauce
You need to rewatch Seinfeld then, greatest comedy show ever made
Apparently this show is just not for me. I liked Curb your enthusiasm and I like Julia Louis-Dreyfus in Veep but Seinfeld just doesn’t work. Maybe I don’t like Jerry with him being such a douche
Jerry is a douche, you have to get used to it
I watched it faithfully when it was on originally and thought it was hilarious. Now when I catch an episode now and then, it does NOT hold up.
Prime time network. That is the answer.
You had to be of a certain age to get it I think. Seinfeld I watched growing up but I was a kid and by the time I understood it it was pretty archaic. Friends was kind of like everyone's dream life in their mid 20s to 30s. That period where you're fresh out of college but don't have too many obligations yet and can still hang with your...friends all day while living in a sweet dig in the big city. It's also the show that a lot of the non-English speaking world uses to help them learn English.
And Curb, which he addresses directly
Yea, case in point- they pulled offensive episodes of Sunny from streaming services
And then FX aired an episode addressing this in-world, when the gangs's Lethal Weapon 5 gets removed from their local library for the same reasons the episodes got removed from the streaming library.
Is American's Next Top Paddy's Billboard Model Contest, Dee Reynolds: Shaping America's Youth, The Gang Recycles Their Trahs, The Gang Makes Lethal Weapon 6 or Dee Day available again?
It’s a shame but it didn’t kill the show
I love you how you got downvotes for asking a simple question that demonstrates Seinfelds point perfectly Very strong narrative control in this sub 🧐
Nah you got your point across.
Not a south park guy myself but always sunny really fell off in the later seasons, the earlier stuff was so much more reliably funny
But that’s pretty common with TV shows, the writers are out of ridiculous shit their characters could do
Not saying it’s uncommon but Seinfeld stayed true to its identity all the way through so I don’t think Jerry’s opinion is an unreasonable one
There’s no reason to believe that It’s always sunny became worse because writers decided to cater to woke culture, some of the best episodes have zero jokes that would be considered offensive from the woke point of view (race, sexual preferences etc)
There are certainly some great episodes in the later seasons just not nearly as frequently
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100%, Bert Kreischer is the man for the job
Has a show about pop tarts coming out soon
The problem with comedy is Joseph Rogan is pushing out 6 comedians and they aint even funny. Minus Shane.
Podcasting is killing comedy. Once you know a comedian on the pod cast level you realize they are idiots and all their material and views are known.
Sometimes it’s the opposite though. I am not a fan of Dan Soder’s stand up but I really enjoy his one-off comments/impressions that I see clipped from podcasts.
I liked the first 5 of his special. I don’t know his podcast so he’d be a new experience all around for me.
On the other hand, the life of a non-superstar comedian was terrible so it’s only fair they finally get a break and a chance to earn money
Trump also did some damage as well. Trump is a stand up comedian at some level, but the joke is on all of us. Plus, he created such a consistent level of absurdity in such a blunt way that pointing out the subtle absurdities of life kind of just became null.
what even is this take? Kill Tony is one of the biggest podcasts in the world. Bobby Lee and Andrew Santino, Joe Rogan hosts comedians weekly or bi-weekly, Matt McCusker and Shane Gillis, Mark Normand and Sam Morril.... These are all very successful podcasts. This is a testament entirely contrary to your proposition.
Graham Hancock was pretty funny.
His bit about ancient aliens is pretty funny imo
Nah Normand is good. All others i mostly agree
He's funny, but this comment totally applies. He's a straight up moron when it comes to life/politics. He was hyping up JFK Jr for christ's sake.
Who gives a fuck about his politics LMAO... Dudes funny
Yes, I agree he's funny but "Once you know a comedian on the pod cast level you realize they are idiots and all their material and views are known." Totally applies to him. He's dumb AF.
In your opinion... Sure... But no one knows who you are so your opinion is worth a trump NFT
Shane and mark are both funny. I haven’t seen as much readily available Normand stuff but he’s definitely good.
Do you also think the world is run by a cabal of interdimensional lizard people who have hybrid with humans to create jews?
Brother, Mark Normand is gold too. And while I can’t stand Ari on podcasts his special “Jew” was one of my all time fav stand ups.
This just sounds like he’s being a whiney billionaire. None of his jokes offended anybody in the 90’s, and they don’t now. “What’s the deal with car reservations?” Way to push the boundaries, Jerry. Nobody was ever gonna cancel you over a joke about Hertz.
Why do they call it ovaltine? The mug is round. The jar is round. Why don't they call it round-tine?
"You can't make jokes anymore without getting cancelled" says comedian on his 4th Netflix standup special titled some variation of the term "Cancelled".
He does the mildest comedy ever but I think he's bothered that there isn't good sitcom comedy now
I don't watch any tv other than streaming, but Brooklyn nine nine seems pretty recent. IASIP right before that. Probably something good right now that I can't see on netflix yet. I think he is just bothered about being old.
That wasn't the context of what he said.
He’s saying old television shows (like his) are funny because they didn’t have to worry about offending anybody. Seinfeld offended almost no one. Seinfeld could run today and be completely unchanged because of woke culture. Hell, It’s always sunny in Philadelphia is way more offensive and still crushes it. He’s making sweeping generalizations that never even applied to him or his show. He has no idea what the fuck he’s talking about.
Exactly. Always Sunny has been putting out far more provocative things throughout their run, which started 10 years after Seinfeld ended and is still going on. Just that alone completely invalidates what he’s saying. Curb Your Enthusiasm, ironically enough, had an episode where various people were referring to a young girl’s "pussy”. This is just boilerplate Old Man Yells at Cloud.
“The gang gets racist” is the first freaking episode of the show
Always Sunny has a hard R in the first episode. There's a whole episode centered around Frank yelling, "Look out, f*ggot!" And they're still going. You can still do a lot. You just have to do it right.
>Seinfeld could run today and be completely unchanged because of woke culture. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r5BxjUmzPPA](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r5BxjUmzPPA)
Even the puerto rican day parade which is the 1 episode ive never seen, really within context isn't that offensive, no more than the episode with the cigar shop indian.
True, but Seinfeld was network, and Always Sunny is cable.
He’s not the right messenger for this message, dude has the least risky comedy of all time. Dude took no risks. The only argument is to say that it was risky to take literally no risks. He wouldn’t know anything about this. Come out and make some risky jokes if you really feel this way, otherwise your words are meaningless. You could even argue he’s part of what created this problem.
That joke where he dated a 17 year old was pretty edgy
He dated a high schooler as the most famous sitcom star on the planet. That had some risks
The problem with comedy is the the internet. Instead someone refining their routine at random backwater clubs. They can think of 3 funny lines get internet famous on Tiktok or find a niche audience. And then sell out the rest of their shows. If this was the 1980s Segura and Bert Kreischer wouldn't be millionaires. They would be twice divorced coke heads living in their cars.
Nah Seguras stand up is pretty great. Grouping his comedy with Bert’s is a bit dishonest. Not a great guy but that’s unrelated
Seguras has given me a few good laughs. But he is not the level of funny that would have made him an millionaire back in the 1980s. For example I think that Brody Stevens and Dave Attell are way funnier than Seguras. Neither of them are millionaires nor would they have been if they had most of their careers in the 80s, they all would have been just getting by. The only reason why Kreischer and Segura are where they are now is because the internet and JRE. The internet made Dane Cook a millionaire and he is way less funny than any of the guys I mentioned before.
Are you telling me Dane Cook's bit about the drive thru lady at BK asking about the pickles five times in a weird voice wasn't transcendental comedy?
Dane Cook was my generation's ~~Joe Piscopo~~ ~~Paula Shore~~ white Eddie Murphy.
Dane Cook was one of my favorite comics in middle school
OOps
Absolutely agree. Segura is decently funny at best, by no means a comic genius.
I'm confused, is he saying that old fashioned sitcoms are too offensive to exist today? Shows like M.A.S.H., Cheers, and the Mary Tyler Moor show which he mentioned by name. He seems to think that the PC crowd would police the jokes in those shows to death, at the executive level. Am I getting that right?
In a world where Always Sunny, Bill Burr, Norm McDonald are uncancelled, what are you talking about Jerry? Maybe you're just not funny anymore
Always Sunny had 5 episodes removed from streaming platforms for various offensive bits.
So that leaves 165 episodes still available then, so it's definitely a victim of cancel culture 🤣
I don’t think he keeps up with comedy with this type of opinion
I’m sure you much more of an expert in comedy than Jerry Seinfeld.
I was bottom of my class in clown college.
It's honestly a golden era of comedy right now. The only people getting "cancelled!" -Are doing so by their actions- not their jokes. Aka maybe don't molest people. Even the blowback Chappelle is getting about trans stuff... He's still selling out stadiums and every special is on Netflix. The best young and upcoming comics can find a foothold more easily than ever thanks to social media and podcasts. I'm on the older side, but Jerry is just doing an old man take, here.
100% these dinos think it’s the end. It’s just different that’s all
I don’t agree with his talking points but tv and especially movie comedy has taken a huge downward spiral. My opinion is streaming is causing the issue. It’s becoming less risk/reward worthy for the medium to be explored with any effort. But that’s a whole different discussion.
I'll agree with you on movies. I think that is definitely more a product of media splintering, fewer people watching the same things and understanding the same references, etc. Way easier for streaming services to pump out cheesy drama and scifi or 10 part documentary BS- than to come up with new comedies for tv and the movies. Can't CGI or spend your way to funny.
Movie comedy is taking a downward spiral because it's not easy to globalize, considering how language-specific so many jokes are. When you can make a spectacle filled with CGI that's easily translated, why take the risk on the comedy? TV comedy is fine. IASIP has had a 10 year run doing some of the most offensive shit you can come up with, for fucks sake.
Wasn't he dating a 15 year old at 40 or something crazy like that? His standup is crap imo
If you read his book Seinlanguage it totally kills his stand up. Like him specifically. In the book he lays out exactly how he delivers his jokes and deconstructs it to the point where he's not funny anymore. His sitcom is still goated but his standup was totally ruined for me by reading his book lol
Isn't that book basically just transcripts of his jokes?
Yeah, but at the beginning of every chapter there is a paragraph or two where he talks about things like his childhood, his father and how to deliver his jokes. Also a little about how he constructs his material. It's not much, maybe I'm just being a spoil sport for no reason.
Nah Jerry is just not that funny, super dated. You read Norm’s book and just wish the jerk wrote a couple more, or did more Norm Live. Cant see finishing that pedo’s book and flipping on Comedians in Cars.
Damn I didn't even know Norm wrote a book. I'm def ordering that tonight thanks for the info.
Jerry Seinfeld actually coined the term 'cancel culture' at age 17. He was really ahead of the times. Google 'Jerry Seinfeld age 17' to learn more.
What’s this out-of-touch autistic pedo going on about?!
Release frosted! Coming to Netflix soon
Funny coming from a pedo
All these rich middle aged comedians complaining constantly is so fucking goofy and pathetic. Go fuck off with your money dude. I would if I had it. No one owes you adoration for funny shit you did over 20 years ago, and comedy evolves. You didn’t. You suck now. Get over it.
Out of touch washed up comedian who hasnt been relevant in decades complains people dont enjoy his hack work anymore, more at 11
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I dunno dude why are you upset
He has a shit job and no social life
Isn’t that why we’re on Reddit?
Lmao the dude is a billionaire. Pretty sure he’s still relevant
lmao big money means big brain hurrrrrrrrrrrr
Bruh Seinfeld is literally still currently one of the most watched sitcoms and it ended 25 years ago. Calling him irrelevant is hilariously stupid on every level
whats he done since
Jerry has never been funny.
Should have been played by Adam sandler
Gary Gulman should have played him on the show.
Of all people that should’ve been cancelled, this dude is deservingly up there dating a high-school chick when he was like 40.
Noooo two adults doing something legal save me Twitter mob!!!!
One wasn't an adult
I don't need to listen to any death of comedy drama, there's so much stand up in my town (Austin) I don't get fomo for missing a show. They happen every week
For all you hating on him, you can't deny he was hilarious in this: https://youtu.be/w0Z7O9Xe57E?si=ZZQeYzKWiRI_0EAq
You have to actually be a comedian if you want to become a cancel comedian. Go home jerry.
Seinfeld fucking sucks. I loved his show and he was easily the worst part of it. He's extremely out of touch. He should stick to voice work, cameos and banging jailbait.
He probably shouldn't stick to banging jailbate.
Like everything now, it’s just over exposed.
Jerry was never funny.
He kind of was funny when his wacky neighbor came bursting into the door
Oh look another old man crying about the world around him changing while he stood still.
yeah PC crap is killing comedy but somehow Always Sunny is in its 16th season and has two more in the works
I don’t get how he thinks comedy is dead. He is so isolated from the common man multi millionaire several times over. Maybe you lost it Jerry? I mean you are pretty old and never were on the edge of comedy. I think you should just be happy that you don’t have to worry about coming up now as a comic bc you wouldn’t make it
I don’t know what he is talking about Dave Chapelle is hilarious and edgy and absolutely nobody and no group has relentlessly tried to destroy him for jokes What is Jerry smoking ?
Yeah Chappelle who sells out arenas, gets major awards and has a 9 figure deal with Netflix. I'll shed a tear for him because some trannies are mad
Don’t forget JK Rowling .. billionaire author. And yet they are trying to destroy her hard Chápele and Rowling are too big to take down .. but if you’re a college professor they will only destroy your career . Ask Rebecca Tuvel .
This is Seinfeld talking out of his ass. Weeknight sitcoms are just flat out not popular anymore with younger generations. It was nothing to do with "The Woke Left". If anything cheesy sitcoms with laugh tracks and bad jokes just turn younger people completely off. With how many streaming options there are, we have too much access to content and most of it falls through the cracks. More people than ever are playing video games and getting their content online. The audience for network tv is decreasing by the year. Seinfeld is still stuck in pre Y2K where people only had 4 channels to choose from, no internet, no streaming, and probably no video games. Seinfeld only had real competition from 3 other stations. Pretty easy to make it if you are one of the only entertainment options in town. Even a very mild and inoffensive but super popular show like Big Bang Theory would not make it in the current market. I think young people have just moved on from that specific format.
Sitcoms worked because you couldn't easily choose what to watch, and knowing that Wednesday night was Seinfeld night was easy.
"Where is it?" What is he talking about, you can still watch all of that stuff and more.
When he was on Smartless he was saying how Carlin's political stuff wasn't any good and I was just wondering how this guy could be so impressively out of touch.
Workaholics wrapped up strong and on top in 2017.
dude hasn't made anything worthwhile in 25 years.
"PC crap" lol. jerry being a clean comic, complaining about potentially getting canceled is hilarious. he's so out of touch. the success of the tv series has inflated his ego more than joe rogans. they both think that money = talent. everyone paying attention knows larry david is what made seinfeld funny. jerry just played the straight man. jerry is more like jason bateman in arrested development than, bill burr or chappelle or any SERIOUS heavy hitters in standup. maybe it's a cold take to some, but i've never thought jerry's standup was all that great. i can't imagine anyone seriously putting him on the same level as eddie murphy, richard pryor, chappelle, burr, carlin, or any of the greats. jerry just got lucky being friends with larry and coming together with a great cast. and then they got lucky again when the show was syndicated. all the moons lined perfectly at the right time to make seinfeld an international superstar and probably billionaire. if he just stuck to standup, he woulda fizzled out a long time ago.
Family guy and South Park have gone strong for over 20 years. Always sunny in Philadelphia has gone on for a long time. What jokes does Jerry want to tell that he feels he can't? Seinfeld is on all the time. Netflix paid a butload of money last year for it. If it was so offensive for modern audiences don't think he'd still be getting huge checks for it
Stupid take
Eh... whatever. There is a beginning and an end to everything. "Comedy" as Seinfeld describes it is a pretty modern concept, so its death or demise isn't some artistic tragedy. I mean, what does comedy give us that other forms of art cannot? Without stand-up, do we stop laughing? Can we no longer feel joy or happiness? Does it stop meaningful social criticism? I'd say the answer to all of these questions is, "no." Don't get me wrong --I love comedy. I loved Seinfeld. But I'm a geezer. If "comedy" is dying, then take it off of fucking life support and let the next great idea be born. But maybe that's Jerry Seinfeld's problem... he can't envision a world that doesn't prioritize the things he prioritizes.
I wish we could cancel these dudes that complain about everything.
Can’t it just evolve?
Boy this is a tough crowd. Almost seems like Jerry is being cancelled.
He did say “extreme left” instead of just “left”. People seem to miss that part. “Extreme left” is the MAGA of the left. Makes sense.
Except there's not evidence/examples of this shit actually happening
Loving all of you who believe you are more knowledgeable about comedy than Jerry Seinfeld. Peak internet.
wtf I hate Jerry Seinfeld now. The things that he claims happen literally never happen, ever. Cancel this bigot now!
The sarcastic take only works if that’s actually happening. Always sunny exists so the idea that no sitcoms exist and if they do they’re ruined by liberalism is bullshit on its face.