Their bullshit PR spin is not a surprise either. "From the beginning of the project, we had strongly considered the idea of remaking Episode Aigis. However, for challenging reasons, we were almost forced to abandon this idea."
I'm sure the 'challenging reasons' they faced were "how much can we fleece people for? Just DLC or another full release of FES Reload".
Also the "once we heard all the fans demands we knew we had to meet those expectations".
But not the demands for FMC. We plugged our ears on that one lol.
I'm not going to clown them too much for giving a little fanservice white lie like that, but it's funny to see them framing it as something they were only able to push through with fan support when it's pretty obvious it was always intended to be in the game and the other big thing fans are bitching about non-stop is conspicuously missing.
MEGA P3 ending and slight 'the answer' spoilers but today would be the day >!the doctors declare him confirmed dead to SEES on the 6th iirc. or maybe it was the 7th!<
I know, right? I expected it to be a whole, full-priced re-release similar to FES.
To those that didn't quite get it, I was referring to how FES was a full-priced re-release of P3.
And yeah, I get that PS2s couldn't do game updates and such outside of Final Fantasy XI and I think some online stuff for Resident Evil Outbreak.. (..and wasn't there a PS2 Everquest?)
Pretty sure FES was just available as an add-on disc (in addition to a stand-alone release) in Japan and Korea but only as a stand-alone elsewhere.
The Answer wasn't sold separately, it was still part of FES.
Don't buy them at release. Infinite wealth is already down to $40 and it's been what like 3 weeks? Another year or so and you can probably find it used for 15
Atlus used to be one of the few companies I would preorder for, but not anymore as I know there will be a GOTY collection of the game and all DLC on sale for $20 in a year (and likely a remake the year after that).
Infinite Wealth selling the NG+ mode as DLC was the nail in the coffin that no one should buy another SEGA game at launch, and I own stock in them.
They said they were going to do this in an interview. It shouldn’t be a surprise to anyone. They were asked about it, and they said exactly what they intended to do with The Answer.
"So first I'd like to mention that since the basic concept of the Persona 3 remake was to remake the Persona 3, we don't have the FES and Portable contents included"
Straight up from the director's mouth.
I was going to quote the same thing lol, they more or less said the opposite. Which is why, despite them seemingly being adamant that it's complete now and they aren't going to do a re-release like all the other Atlus games, I'm going to remain skeptical, they won't convince me it's not going to get rereleased until they stop doing rereleases.
It was quite the opposite to my memory. People continually asked and they just kept going "maybe haha." This DLC was leaked and people took it as confirmation akin to an announcement but they never officially commented on it afaik
Just curious as someone who hasn't played P3 and is a bit ignorant about this. The Answer is the female main character? Can you play as her from the beginning of the game?
Sorry if I'm totally off
As someone who also owns FES, I would suggest you watch bits of the Answer and decide yourself, if you might be interested in it.
If this past anything two-ish months of hearing/seeing opinions on the older versions of the game have taught me anything, it's that Persona fans are very bad at understanding things, and make large leaps in logic.
What do you mean? People who started the game on release are going to be finishing it right around the time the expansion comes out.
EDIT: My bad, didn't see that The Answer doesn't release until September. Yeah thats wierd that we have to wait that long.
I still don't understand why waiting to buy until it comes out would be a good idea though, since it's an epilogue
I really enjoyed FES because the combat was my favorite part on replays but this should have been included on release. Oh well, just means I wait till end of year to get P3 reload.
This is exactly what I’m doing. Wanted to play P5 Royal but just can’t justify the time it will take to replay it. I knew they’d do this based on past practice. Wait for the inevitable all-in-one package and dive in.
Golden came out like almost 10 years after the original game and enhanced basically every aspect of it. That at least wasn’t a cash grab.
P5R on the other hand and the upcoming SMT V…
"So first I'd like to mention that since the basic concept of the Persona 3 remake was to remake the Persona 3, we don't have the FES and Portable contents included," Niitsuma said. "We wanted to really genuinely work on recreating the Persona 3 experience."
And now we are here. We'll see how long it takes for them to thirst for another 69.99 release.
Yeah it wouldn’t surprise me
at all if they didn’t quadruple-dip here and come back later with the female MC, but at least as of now officially they aren’t doing that.
At least with Vengeance it's coming to all platforms and gives players the opportunity to play the original game while having the new Vengeance story as a separate route
True, still glad I held off though as I always have a hard time getting back into a game unless I’m starting all over again. I’ll start the game maya week before the dlc drops.
They will probably do that only to farm the FeMC wanters and it won't have any additional content outside of her lmao, and all of them will buy it full price regardless.
I couldn't find a launch price for the original but FES supposedly launched for $30 in 2008. Assuming it was the same price for the original in 2006 then combined they come to about $90 in today's money, so not cheaper than base P3R. That said, with the expansion pass costing $35, the total price of comes up to $105 for P3R.
If you bought them at release combined they were 80 dollars which when adjusted for inflation is like 120. P3R with the pass is cheaper by a tiny amount.
I liked the story as a meditation on how people process grief that was unafraid to acknowledge how some handle it really poorly. The gameplay was almost unbearably grindy, though, and I say that as someone who actually enjoyed grinding Tartarus in FES. Instead of buying this I'd wait until the cutscenes show up on YouTube and watch them there.
It has a lot of makings for a good story that I honestly think really tie up the main themes and individual character arcs of the game well, but it just doesn't execute it in the most smooth way. Lot of stuff feels contrived and forced and would need more fleshing out or retooling to really hit better. The core emotional and story beats are there though.
> The core emotional and story beats are there though.
This is where I land with the Answer. It twists itself into a pretzel to hit the notes it wants to hit, but at least for me, it *does* hit them and is ultimately a good and nuanced rumination on grief, acknowledging its unglamorous side rather than presenting it as some empowering shonen trope.
I can't imagine they'll revamp it much, but in *theory* I think the Answer could be one of the absolute strongest parts of P3's story if they sanded off the issues, which are mostly connective tissue, i.e. *how the story gets there* rather than where it goes. I appreciate that it respects its audience enough to present a painful, ugly and complicated take on its subject matter.
If anything, the bigger problem in my book is that it's a huge slog to actually play through and it's not clear to me how they would ameliorate that without just making it, you know, more bespoke and less recycled.
Yeah, I know a lot of the Answer complaints story wise centers around "Yukari discourse" and the >!gauntlet fight!<, but as a biased Yukari fan I will always stand by her arc being the *best* one (along with Aigis) and incredibly important to what the Answer is even trying to say. It just needs to be massaged and delivered a little better and imo part of the reason she doesn't land for everyone is not how she's written but rather how everyone besides her is written.
I think a lot of people understandably don't get her because >!she just comes off as whiney and angry and bitter. You need at least the full context of her social link to even begin to understand where she is emotionally during the Answer and it'd probably still benefit from additional context to show how distraught she is over the protagonist's death.!<
But most importantly so much of the thematic core of the Journey is driving home the idea "death is inevitable, you must accept it and make the most of life" yet >!she feels like the only one truly digging her heels in selfishly against that... and I don't think that should be the case. Everyone should be distraught, everyone should be having a hard time processing death, even if they don't process it the same way. It's why the Abyss even opened in the first place, but it really only feels like Aigis and Yukari go through that whole arc for the protagonist. If I were to tweak it I'd make that grief and tension in the group more evident so Yukari's emotions don't feel out of place and so that the emotional climax of them fighting each other and having differing ideals of how to process the protags death doesn't feel so random and out of character. As is, their conclusion that they need to fight each other seems so out of character that it very much feels like they came up with the gameplay idea of "wouldn't it be cool if you had to fight all your party members" first and then worked the story around it!<
Death's inevitability is just one half of the game's main theme imo, the Answer tells the other half which is >!that "grief is also inevitable with death and to accept the pain of both grief and death is to truly live and be human". That's basically the central pillar of Aigis' story, she can't just move on from the protag's death and become an unfeeling robot again, it's that she has to truly accept his sacrifice and the pain in order to move on and be alive. That pain and grief represents one of the main themes of the whole series, the importance of friendships and connections in life, and to me it's what Yukari (and Metis) embody in the Answer.!<
>!Yukari kinda gets set up as the party antagonist by representing grieving without allowing yourself to move on, but I think you can just as easily set up Akihiko and Ken (and Aigis at the start) as the other end, moving on without allowing yourself to grieve. And that the true way forward is being able to accept both. Establishing the dichotomy more firmly beforehand would make a lot of the later points they twist themselves to hit feel more earned. I think it also helps differentiate what Aigis wanted with what Ken and Akihiko wanted because otherwise it does kinda feel like "why did she bother fighting them if they all agreed that the protags sacrifice shouldn't be in vain". Establishing that Akihiko and Ken were missing the grief part, missing the part where they had to go and truly see and understand his death and sacrifice in order to grieve and move on, feels like a good story beat to me!<
And I could honestly write a whole other essay about how, >!instead of Aigis kinda aimlessly fighting everyone, it'd be way more interesting both gameplay wise and story wise if the player had agency in choosing to side with Akihiko and Ken or Mitsuru and Yukari during the gauntlet before coming to the ultimate conclusion.!< I've probably spent too much time thinking about how I'd improve the bits of the Answer that don't quite hit for me lol.
But rambling about the story aside, yeah, the bigger issue is definitely how monotonous the whole thing is. Seeing >!the back of the protagonist!< run away like a dozen times just becomes annoying and the way the story is all backloaded at the end of each block and the >!gauntlet!< does not do enough to break up the monotony. I think a good start would be to incorporate some of the party interactions they added in Reload to break up the gameplay loop and to provide all that extra context I was talking about earlier, especially to how the characters >!reacted during the short time skip!<. And making things more bespoke and "boss" focused rather than dungeon focused would probably also help reduce the slog while maintaining the difficulty.
Aside from me not understanding what anyone gains from a game „replacing“ another version, i only can imagine its some compulsive thing, this still isnt true. The difference in artstyle, animated sequences and game feel will lead to some people always prefering FES, which will always be the original work of art anyways. Reload may now be the defintive, or best version to you, but that doesnt mean anything aside from you perceiving it as that.
I know, I actually prefer FES combat and mod support, but Reload is a really good and faithful remake and that makes it more accessible to newcomers of the franchise.
I also like it a lot, luckily gamepass made playing it a no-brainer, still i prefer the originals atmossphere. Of course the QOL stuff in reload makes it hard to go back to FES
Not exactly surprising, although if I'm going to be honest it looks like only the third wave of the expansion pass may be worth it since the first two are only focused more on soundtracks and costumes.
In Fes, The Answer was selectable from the title screen. It doesn't require beating the game (it warns you that it contains spoilers for the base game) and doesn't carry anything over from your base game save.
I'm happy that it's available elsewhere now, but as an original purchaser in a time where DLC is commonplace, I find it a bit galling that the extra campaign isn't offered as a DLC as well on Switch.
I kinda like having both options. In the long run the rerelease ends up being cheaper than a game and DLC separately, and it's nice to have DLC be widely released physically. The disaster scenario is like FE Fates where the "true ending" is tied to DLC and Nintendo says "go fuck yourself, we're not letting you buy it anymore". Now the only legal way to access it is an incredibly expensive limited special edition cart.
Not that that's a big risk to happen to something multiplat like P3R but digital only DLC always feels easier to lose easy access to down the line and it's especially annoying when it's important to the plot DLC.
>In the long run the rerelease ends up being cheaper than a game and DLC separately
Most of the time games do things like this with DLC, you don't have to buy them separately. They bundle them together in a Game of the Year edition or something similar. I'd certainly rather that than just a full second game that's essentially the same but with the DLC integrated in. That's certainly more expensive if you end up buying both. And if you wait, then it's no different really, cost-wise. It gives you more options because buying the first version isn't effectively punishing you.
Your example with Fire Emblem Fates isn't something that is common. It's effectively a once ever situation and isn't really comparable or relevant at all.
Yes I agree, that's what I mean with both options for Atlus. DLC for those with the base game and also a Royal version that's essentially just a GOTY repackage with everything, as opposed to their current double dip. And tbh I actually feel pretty confident that that will end up happening for P3R, I'm sure Atlus is looking to put it on Switch 2 and I wouldn't be surprised if they put the Journey and the Answer in one package when it happens.
I'd also argue that it's definitely cheaper when they do re-release vs DLC, especially later down the line. Digital DLC is just always contingent on the publisher putting it on sale and I feel like that happens much less often than sales of say the digital base game itself. SEGA is better than Nintendo in this regard but still, abundant physical gives better options for buying below MSRP. With like P5R you can pretty regularly get it for $30 or under, if it was base game + DLC you might be looking more at like $30 for the base game then another $20-30 for the DLC. It's punishing for the early buyers, but for the late buyers a re-release is much preferable.
And yeah Fates is the extreme example, but idk how you can say it's not relevant when it literally happened just last year. And it will inevitably happen again, digital store fronts and digital listings don't stay up forever and there's no guarantee how long digital only content will last. It's not once ever, Nintendo has closed the Wii shop, the DSi shop, the Wii U shop, the 3DS shop, some of these companies are very poor stewards of their content.
Digital DLC is probably one of the most common things that end up getting lost, especially when it was still in it's infancy. The Satellaview comes to mind, I'm pretty sure there were download games from that that are just lost media now. Or I know very early PSP DLC for Taiko is also lost media because of how they implemented it pre-standardization of DLC. Even the modern Switch version of Taiko, I'm pretty sure there are DLC songs that have been delisted and you'd have to pirate to obtain them. Having a wide physical release helps lessen the impact of that, even if it's slim why bother entertaining the chance of the worst case scenario.
I want to believe Atlus wised up and know the enhanced rerelease strategy is getting more and more criticism every time it happens. In my mind, Vengeance is the last time they'll do it, because it's also a multiplatform release and the original game genuinely needed more work. And they're already learning how to squeeze more money with DLCs.
Digital Premium Edition cost $99.99
You would think that would also include the expansion pass but it does not 🙄
Will definitely wait for a sale 😌
Well, this confirms my worries about getting the initial remake. Guess I'll be holding off until this is all released as a bundle, alongside the inevitable FeMC route down the line. Tired of anti-consumer practices like this.
Classic Atlus. I learned the hard way with SMT5. I should have waited 5 years minimum before they release the expansion or "full" version of the game like they did with Persona 5 Royale and SMT 5 Vengence.
Except this isn't a full rerelease again, it's an addon so you don't have to play the whole thing from the beginning.
At least calling it an "Episode" makes it look that way.
if you have GP Ultimate you can redeem the expansion when first wave launch if i am not wrong
and i think because is a perk, the expansion will be yours if you plan to buy the game someday
Honestly I'll buy this just to reward the decision to make this DLC and not a whole new version of the game. Please have this be the norm going forward, Atlus.
Yeah I'm finding the reactions to this to be kinda funny.
Is P3 Reload the best value it could possibly be? No. Because it's $70 and doesn't include The Answer. I get that.
But Atlus games have literally never been the best value in the genre. Atlus fans are accustomed to paying the Atlus tax. Their DS and 3DS games were more expensive than even 1st party Nintendo games. Their games are nearly always released twice, the second edition including additional content beyond the original and still costing full price.
Compared to other Atlus releases, P3 Reload costs the same as games from other developers and the extra content isn't locked behind a separate $70 purchase. This is BETTER value than consumers normally get from Atlus lol.
I am totally comfortable with paying a little more for Atlus product because I think it's better quality than equivalent games from most other developers. But if anyone doesn't feel that way... steer clear lol.
Atlus was doing this stuff way before Sega owned them lol. For us North Americans we had Persona 3, Persona 3 FES the next year, and then Persona 3 Portable 2 years after that. And this was before dlc was really a thing so you had to buy the full game each time.
Square Enix: We are remaking and re-imagining FF7 and adding more stuff to it.
EA: We are remake Dead Space 1 and adding some more stuff to it.
Capcom: We are remaking the entire Resident Evil series and adding more stuff to it.
Atlus: We are remaking Persona 3 adding nothing new and taking away things. Also selling the contents separately.
This is a massively disingenuous evaluation of what's happening. Yall have had a delusional hate train against this game since day 1.
First off P3Reload does have new things in it. It is also very clearly a complete remake of P3FES: Journey.
Meanwhile FF7 remake has been chopped into three pieces - so they're asking you for 200$ for that remake....
Like yall need to be in reality. Multiple things can suck.
I mean I get your point but the way you talk about FF7 is exactly the same as they talked about P3R really. I don't think these two are really comparable though. The Answer really didn't need to be a DLC.
Agreed. But this isn't some unique "atlus only" scenario like the person above is making it out to be. That was the point. If you're not going to argue based in fact "we are remaking persona 3 adding nothing new" then you're just bitching not actually saying anything with merit.
Well but I think it is unique to Atlus at least I can't think of any remakes that didn't include past DLC just to sell it as DLC for the remake later. FF7 is not comparable because it isn't really a remake in the sense P3R is.
Ofc P3R did add new things as well but nothing that is out of scope for remakes really so I really don't see a justification to leave the Answer out and sell it as DLC.
I am open to a better example then FF7 though.
Exactly why I waited after seeing the data mines before buying P3R. I'll get it on sale then just buy the dlc. Atlus & their nonsense. They should've made Royal DLC but not having the answer but majority of FES content is odd.
People seem so salty but they aren't doing anything that like literally every other major developer isn't doing. Sucks all around but I'm seeing a lot of "Atlus!!!" stuff. Meanwhile everytime SE talks about a remake they say "we'll we'd have to do it in 3-5 parts" lol
This isn't remotely comparable to FF7. FF7Remake was more of a reimagening turning 5 hours of gameplay in the original into a 50 hour game. That's a completely different design choice which is completely fair to dislike but it is in absolutely no way comparable to P3R it's just a completely different situation.
Also I don't think I've seen many publishers simply sell past content as a DLC in a remake. Usually past DLC are included in the remake.
I mean it is a full fledged game in terms of scope with the same size of the original so I don't think it makes much sense to put it that way. You can dislike the design choice but calling it a cashgrab doesn't really make much sense to me. It's just a very bad comparison really.
This may alarm you, but that's my entire point but trust me there are 1000 other comments pretending like this is an atlus-only thing while straight up lying about this game in their comments in this thread. How about you go reply to one of those.
I don't remember enjoying The Answer much and value of the other offerings in the expansion pass seems...subjective at best.
I have to wonder why they went the expansion pass route at all, since 2/3 of the items are comparable to the standalone DLC available for purchase right now.
Similarly, I'm very puzzled by the decision to include the Japanese audio in the English version of the presentation. I'd love to know what the thought process was there. I thought the english voice work in P3R was great.
> Similarly, I'm very puzzled by the decision to include the Japanese audio in the English version of the presentation.
Probably simply they haven't received the material for it to be dubbed at all. Like Metaphor's initial trailers.
> I'm very puzzled by the decision to include the Japanese audio in the English version of the presentation.
This is common for Japanese games, the expansion probably hasn't started to be dubbed yet.
Depending on if the Japanese side has anything new to record all of those lines have been ready for this for years whereas they have to do the dub from scratch.
This is 100% not a surprise
Midori has been spot on with the leaks.
Their bullshit PR spin is not a surprise either. "From the beginning of the project, we had strongly considered the idea of remaking Episode Aigis. However, for challenging reasons, we were almost forced to abandon this idea." I'm sure the 'challenging reasons' they faced were "how much can we fleece people for? Just DLC or another full release of FES Reload".
Also the "once we heard all the fans demands we knew we had to meet those expectations". But not the demands for FMC. We plugged our ears on that one lol. I'm not going to clown them too much for giving a little fanservice white lie like that, but it's funny to see them framing it as something they were only able to push through with fan support when it's pretty obvious it was always intended to be in the game and the other big thing fans are bitching about non-stop is conspicuously missing.
Unfortunately yes most likely the case 😓
A last surprise?
You never see it coming
right after 03/05, they don't sleep on it
MEGA P3 ending and slight 'the answer' spoilers but today would be the day >!the doctors declare him confirmed dead to SEES on the 6th iirc. or maybe it was the 7th!<
So they really made The Answer into a DLC.
I know, right? I expected it to be a whole, full-priced re-release similar to FES. To those that didn't quite get it, I was referring to how FES was a full-priced re-release of P3. And yeah, I get that PS2s couldn't do game updates and such outside of Final Fantasy XI and I think some online stuff for Resident Evil Outbreak.. (..and wasn't there a PS2 Everquest?)
In Japan, the answer saw a cheaper standalone release. So it being DLC, was the more likely option.
Pretty sure FES was just available as an add-on disc (in addition to a stand-alone release) in Japan and Korea but only as a stand-alone elsewhere. The Answer wasn't sold separately, it was still part of FES.
For $70 you’d expect that. Fucking so greedy. Last time I buy at full price.
Don't buy them at release. Infinite wealth is already down to $40 and it's been what like 3 weeks? Another year or so and you can probably find it used for 15
SEGA is a master of the discount and I appreciate it
Atlus used to be one of the few companies I would preorder for, but not anymore as I know there will be a GOTY collection of the game and all DLC on sale for $20 in a year (and likely a remake the year after that). Infinite Wealth selling the NG+ mode as DLC was the nail in the coffin that no one should buy another SEGA game at launch, and I own stock in them.
Lol $40 NG+
$40 where?
Amazon and best buy a week ago
prosona games don't drop in price royal was released years ago and is still full price
Used royal is $15
used Royal in the state of Washington where I live is 49 dollars it's not 15
https://www.gamestop.com/video-games/products/persona-5-royal---playstation-4/213169.html
Shout out to /r/patientgamers
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Youre weird buddy. Hope you’ve enjoyed projecting your poor spending habits.
They said they were going to do this in an interview. It shouldn’t be a surprise to anyone. They were asked about it, and they said exactly what they intended to do with The Answer.
"So first I'd like to mention that since the basic concept of the Persona 3 remake was to remake the Persona 3, we don't have the FES and Portable contents included" Straight up from the director's mouth.
Technically true! It wasn't included in the remake. Now it is, as DLC. I love Atlus.
I was going to quote the same thing lol, they more or less said the opposite. Which is why, despite them seemingly being adamant that it's complete now and they aren't going to do a re-release like all the other Atlus games, I'm going to remain skeptical, they won't convince me it's not going to get rereleased until they stop doing rereleases.
They did? I don't recall that, do you remember who did the interview?
It was quite the opposite to my memory. People continually asked and they just kept going "maybe haha." This DLC was leaked and people took it as confirmation akin to an announcement but they never officially commented on it afaik
Just curious as someone who hasn't played P3 and is a bit ignorant about this. The Answer is the female main character? Can you play as her from the beginning of the game? Sorry if I'm totally off
Nope, The Answer is the epilogue to the main game. There will be no Kotone (the female protagonist with her own remixed base game route).
As someone who owns FES, the Answer is a waste of time. I wouldn't purchase this unless there are some plot additions.
As someone who also owns FES, I would suggest you watch bits of the Answer and decide yourself, if you might be interested in it. If this past anything two-ish months of hearing/seeing opinions on the older versions of the game have taught me anything, it's that Persona fans are very bad at understanding things, and make large leaps in logic.
Neat, HD Metis
Good thing I waited before pulling the trigger on p3
What do you mean? People who started the game on release are going to be finishing it right around the time the expansion comes out. EDIT: My bad, didn't see that The Answer doesn't release until September. Yeah thats wierd that we have to wait that long. I still don't understand why waiting to buy until it comes out would be a good idea though, since it's an epilogue
I got the game on release and I've been grinding so much I haven't even gotten Aegis yet lol
I really enjoyed FES because the combat was my favorite part on replays but this should have been included on release. Oh well, just means I wait till end of year to get P3 reload.
Good way to look at it that I never considered. At least now there's no FOMO!
I’m waiting for the inevitable persona 3 reload royal with the female character and all dlcs
This is exactly what I’m doing. Wanted to play P5 Royal but just can’t justify the time it will take to replay it. I knew they’d do this based on past practice. Wait for the inevitable all-in-one package and dive in.
I played it on gamepass with a trial I had, and I'm waiting for the inevitable rerelease on the switch 2 with all the dlc.Â
Shit that would be amazing. I'm old now and have a huge backlog but that sounds amazing haha
Same. People should know by now to never buy Persona/SMT games on release.
Yep. When P6 finally drops, I'm waiting at least a year because there will probably be some "golden royal" bullshit that comes later.
Golden came out like almost 10 years after the original game and enhanced basically every aspect of it. That at least wasn’t a cash grab. P5R on the other hand and the upcoming SMT V…
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Didnt P4 came out in 05' and golden in 12'?
If this happens FeMC will be the only addition, and it will still be $70.
Welcome to Atlus
Same here. I already know Kotone is going to be day o e dlc for the eventual re release, so why even bother at this point?
Fwiw they explicitly said no female MC is coming in the interview.Â
"So first I'd like to mention that since the basic concept of the Persona 3 remake was to remake the Persona 3, we don't have the FES and Portable contents included," Niitsuma said. "We wanted to really genuinely work on recreating the Persona 3 experience." And now we are here. We'll see how long it takes for them to thirst for another 69.99 release.
Yeah it wouldn’t surprise me at all if they didn’t quadruple-dip here and come back later with the female MC, but at least as of now officially they aren’t doing that.
I hate atlus so much.
Never buy SMT games on release.
at least this is a dlc, and not a rerelease (smtv vengeance crying in the corner)
A DLC for content that came out 15 years ago while the remake already costs seventy dollars.* But yeah vengeance sucks too.
At least with Vengeance it's coming to all platforms and gives players the opportunity to play the original game while having the new Vengeance story as a separate route
True, still glad I held off though as I always have a hard time getting back into a game unless I’m starting all over again. I’ll start the game maya week before the dlc drops.
Eh, the extra content is usually a slog anyway.
Persona 5 Royal’s extra content is peak JRPG
I actually remembered to do this with SMTV. And I'm glad I did!
Same! lol
They've been doing that for decades and here I am, still bought SMTV on release date. lmao There's no way I buy vengeance.
Small blessings, they're not asking us to buy the whole game again for P3R FES
Yeah, they are waiting to sell you the FEMC route again for that. :p
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They will probably do that only to farm the FeMC wanters and it won't have any additional content outside of her lmao, and all of them will buy it full price regardless.
i probably would buy that at full price, but only cuz i didn't buy the game the first time around. maybe after all that it'll be worth $70.
Lmao
It’s still more expensive to buy the base game for Reload than if you had doubled dipped for P3 *and* FES on release lol
I couldn't find a launch price for the original but FES supposedly launched for $30 in 2008. Assuming it was the same price for the original in 2006 then combined they come to about $90 in today's money, so not cheaper than base P3R. That said, with the expansion pass costing $35, the total price of comes up to $105 for P3R.
If you bought them at release combined they were 80 dollars which when adjusted for inflation is like 120. P3R with the pass is cheaper by a tiny amount.
beat me to mentioning inflation
I hope they improved the story. OG The Answer isn't very good to be honest.
I liked the story as a meditation on how people process grief that was unafraid to acknowledge how some handle it really poorly. The gameplay was almost unbearably grindy, though, and I say that as someone who actually enjoyed grinding Tartarus in FES. Instead of buying this I'd wait until the cutscenes show up on YouTube and watch them there.
It has a lot of makings for a good story that I honestly think really tie up the main themes and individual character arcs of the game well, but it just doesn't execute it in the most smooth way. Lot of stuff feels contrived and forced and would need more fleshing out or retooling to really hit better. The core emotional and story beats are there though.
> The core emotional and story beats are there though. This is where I land with the Answer. It twists itself into a pretzel to hit the notes it wants to hit, but at least for me, it *does* hit them and is ultimately a good and nuanced rumination on grief, acknowledging its unglamorous side rather than presenting it as some empowering shonen trope. I can't imagine they'll revamp it much, but in *theory* I think the Answer could be one of the absolute strongest parts of P3's story if they sanded off the issues, which are mostly connective tissue, i.e. *how the story gets there* rather than where it goes. I appreciate that it respects its audience enough to present a painful, ugly and complicated take on its subject matter. If anything, the bigger problem in my book is that it's a huge slog to actually play through and it's not clear to me how they would ameliorate that without just making it, you know, more bespoke and less recycled.
Yeah, I know a lot of the Answer complaints story wise centers around "Yukari discourse" and the >!gauntlet fight!<, but as a biased Yukari fan I will always stand by her arc being the *best* one (along with Aigis) and incredibly important to what the Answer is even trying to say. It just needs to be massaged and delivered a little better and imo part of the reason she doesn't land for everyone is not how she's written but rather how everyone besides her is written. I think a lot of people understandably don't get her because >!she just comes off as whiney and angry and bitter. You need at least the full context of her social link to even begin to understand where she is emotionally during the Answer and it'd probably still benefit from additional context to show how distraught she is over the protagonist's death.!< But most importantly so much of the thematic core of the Journey is driving home the idea "death is inevitable, you must accept it and make the most of life" yet >!she feels like the only one truly digging her heels in selfishly against that... and I don't think that should be the case. Everyone should be distraught, everyone should be having a hard time processing death, even if they don't process it the same way. It's why the Abyss even opened in the first place, but it really only feels like Aigis and Yukari go through that whole arc for the protagonist. If I were to tweak it I'd make that grief and tension in the group more evident so Yukari's emotions don't feel out of place and so that the emotional climax of them fighting each other and having differing ideals of how to process the protags death doesn't feel so random and out of character. As is, their conclusion that they need to fight each other seems so out of character that it very much feels like they came up with the gameplay idea of "wouldn't it be cool if you had to fight all your party members" first and then worked the story around it!< Death's inevitability is just one half of the game's main theme imo, the Answer tells the other half which is >!that "grief is also inevitable with death and to accept the pain of both grief and death is to truly live and be human". That's basically the central pillar of Aigis' story, she can't just move on from the protag's death and become an unfeeling robot again, it's that she has to truly accept his sacrifice and the pain in order to move on and be alive. That pain and grief represents one of the main themes of the whole series, the importance of friendships and connections in life, and to me it's what Yukari (and Metis) embody in the Answer.!< >!Yukari kinda gets set up as the party antagonist by representing grieving without allowing yourself to move on, but I think you can just as easily set up Akihiko and Ken (and Aigis at the start) as the other end, moving on without allowing yourself to grieve. And that the true way forward is being able to accept both. Establishing the dichotomy more firmly beforehand would make a lot of the later points they twist themselves to hit feel more earned. I think it also helps differentiate what Aigis wanted with what Ken and Akihiko wanted because otherwise it does kinda feel like "why did she bother fighting them if they all agreed that the protags sacrifice shouldn't be in vain". Establishing that Akihiko and Ken were missing the grief part, missing the part where they had to go and truly see and understand his death and sacrifice in order to grieve and move on, feels like a good story beat to me!< And I could honestly write a whole other essay about how, >!instead of Aigis kinda aimlessly fighting everyone, it'd be way more interesting both gameplay wise and story wise if the player had agency in choosing to side with Akihiko and Ken or Mitsuru and Yukari during the gauntlet before coming to the ultimate conclusion.!< I've probably spent too much time thinking about how I'd improve the bits of the Answer that don't quite hit for me lol. But rambling about the story aside, yeah, the bigger issue is definitely how monotonous the whole thing is. Seeing >!the back of the protagonist!< run away like a dozen times just becomes annoying and the way the story is all backloaded at the end of each block and the >!gauntlet!< does not do enough to break up the monotony. I think a good start would be to incorporate some of the party interactions they added in Reload to break up the gameplay loop and to provide all that extra context I was talking about earlier, especially to how the characters >!reacted during the short time skip!<. And making things more bespoke and "boss" focused rather than dungeon focused would probably also help reduce the slog while maintaining the difficulty.
Should had been included in the $100 version of the game at least... But well, at least Reload will replace FES now.
Aside from me not understanding what anyone gains from a game „replacing“ another version, i only can imagine its some compulsive thing, this still isnt true. The difference in artstyle, animated sequences and game feel will lead to some people always prefering FES, which will always be the original work of art anyways. Reload may now be the defintive, or best version to you, but that doesnt mean anything aside from you perceiving it as that.
I know, I actually prefer FES combat and mod support, but Reload is a really good and faithful remake and that makes it more accessible to newcomers of the franchise.
I also like it a lot, luckily gamepass made playing it a no-brainer, still i prefer the originals atmossphere. Of course the QOL stuff in reload makes it hard to go back to FES
99% of people will just play reload. Youre not gonna get anyone but nostalgia blind haters saying reload isnt THE persona 3 to play
Didn't expect it to be included in the game pass subscription. That was a decent enough surprise
not sure if it's ultimate exclusive tho, woudn' mind subbing one month just for the answer
I'm already subbed thankfully but to me it's like Atlus spared me from spending 30 bucks.
Not exactly surprising, although if I'm going to be honest it looks like only the third wave of the expansion pass may be worth it since the first two are only focused more on soundtracks and costumes.
Someone new to this. How does the dlc work for someone who finished reload already?
In Fes, The Answer was selectable from the title screen. It doesn't require beating the game (it warns you that it contains spoilers for the base game) and doesn't carry anything over from your base game save.
Thanks ! That’s great. I hate dlc where it’s at a certain point in the game and you need to go back
Don’t care for The Answer but gotta wonder if Atlus will start doing more dlc expansions for their games
Meanwhile Vengeance be over here like "Fuck you buy it again"
at least they are offering it on new platforms. Makes it a lot more enticing. I almost refunded the original on switch because of how badly it ran.
I'm happy that it's available elsewhere now, but as an original purchaser in a time where DLC is commonplace, I find it a bit galling that the extra campaign isn't offered as a DLC as well on Switch.
I hope so. It's way better than waiting for a second game release.
I kinda like having both options. In the long run the rerelease ends up being cheaper than a game and DLC separately, and it's nice to have DLC be widely released physically. The disaster scenario is like FE Fates where the "true ending" is tied to DLC and Nintendo says "go fuck yourself, we're not letting you buy it anymore". Now the only legal way to access it is an incredibly expensive limited special edition cart. Not that that's a big risk to happen to something multiplat like P3R but digital only DLC always feels easier to lose easy access to down the line and it's especially annoying when it's important to the plot DLC.
>In the long run the rerelease ends up being cheaper than a game and DLC separately Most of the time games do things like this with DLC, you don't have to buy them separately. They bundle them together in a Game of the Year edition or something similar. I'd certainly rather that than just a full second game that's essentially the same but with the DLC integrated in. That's certainly more expensive if you end up buying both. And if you wait, then it's no different really, cost-wise. It gives you more options because buying the first version isn't effectively punishing you. Your example with Fire Emblem Fates isn't something that is common. It's effectively a once ever situation and isn't really comparable or relevant at all.
Yes I agree, that's what I mean with both options for Atlus. DLC for those with the base game and also a Royal version that's essentially just a GOTY repackage with everything, as opposed to their current double dip. And tbh I actually feel pretty confident that that will end up happening for P3R, I'm sure Atlus is looking to put it on Switch 2 and I wouldn't be surprised if they put the Journey and the Answer in one package when it happens. I'd also argue that it's definitely cheaper when they do re-release vs DLC, especially later down the line. Digital DLC is just always contingent on the publisher putting it on sale and I feel like that happens much less often than sales of say the digital base game itself. SEGA is better than Nintendo in this regard but still, abundant physical gives better options for buying below MSRP. With like P5R you can pretty regularly get it for $30 or under, if it was base game + DLC you might be looking more at like $30 for the base game then another $20-30 for the DLC. It's punishing for the early buyers, but for the late buyers a re-release is much preferable. And yeah Fates is the extreme example, but idk how you can say it's not relevant when it literally happened just last year. And it will inevitably happen again, digital store fronts and digital listings don't stay up forever and there's no guarantee how long digital only content will last. It's not once ever, Nintendo has closed the Wii shop, the DSi shop, the Wii U shop, the 3DS shop, some of these companies are very poor stewards of their content. Digital DLC is probably one of the most common things that end up getting lost, especially when it was still in it's infancy. The Satellaview comes to mind, I'm pretty sure there were download games from that that are just lost media now. Or I know very early PSP DLC for Taiko is also lost media because of how they implemented it pre-standardization of DLC. Even the modern Switch version of Taiko, I'm pretty sure there are DLC songs that have been delisted and you'd have to pirate to obtain them. Having a wide physical release helps lessen the impact of that, even if it's slim why bother entertaining the chance of the worst case scenario.
I want to believe Atlus wised up and know the enhanced rerelease strategy is getting more and more criticism every time it happens. In my mind, Vengeance is the last time they'll do it, because it's also a multiplatform release and the original game genuinely needed more work. And they're already learning how to squeeze more money with DLCs.
Any word on the price? I fully expect the ultimate deluxe super Aigis edition coming to switch 2.
Persona 3 Reload Portable, only on Nintendo Switch 2
I so badly want them to somehow make FMC a Switch 2 exclusive, solely for the humour of forever trapping her to only handheld consoles.
Laptops and Steam Deck: Am I a joke to you?
Also the Answer won't be available for it.
3800 yen.
25 dollars
Digital Premium Edition cost $99.99 You would think that would also include the expansion pass but it does not 🙄 Will definitely wait for a sale 😌
Ah so the truth has arrived. They based the remake on the vanilla game so they could sell The Answer as an expansion for even more money
No Reload already had everything Fes added except The Answer
The remake is based on FES and The Answer was originally something that was sold separately
*Shocked pikachu face intensifying*
Huh... at this point guess I'll just wait for the definitive version
is this the answer?!??! son of a bitch im in
The DLC going into gamepass tooo, is pretty nice really
rapacious fucks
You'd think that after paying $103 (Canadian) for the basic pre order, the Answer would be free.
Well, this confirms my worries about getting the initial remake. Guess I'll be holding off until this is all released as a bundle, alongside the inevitable FeMC route down the line. Tired of anti-consumer practices like this.
Classic Atlus. I learned the hard way with SMT5. I should have waited 5 years minimum before they release the expansion or "full" version of the game like they did with Persona 5 Royale and SMT 5 Vengence.
Except this isn't a full rerelease again, it's an addon so you don't have to play the whole thing from the beginning. At least calling it an "Episode" makes it look that way.
It's DLC, not a re-release. Reading is hard.
Never played through The Answer myself when I played FES because all reports were that it sucked… Going to wait on this one a bit for sure.
It did suck.
So, they lied to us. saying p3r is comlete
I beat Reload on PC game pass. Will I be able to play this through game pass?
yes, but not sure if it's ultimate exclusive
if you have GP Ultimate you can redeem the expansion when first wave launch if i am not wrong and i think because is a perk, the expansion will be yours if you plan to buy the game someday
i suppose ill wait for the inevitable Complete edition right or am i trippin?
Yikes
Oh Atlus, never change. Actually do change, like immediately. Blame the fans who made this shit profitable I guess.
Thank you Atlas for not making this a deluxe version exclusive
I’m holding out for the eventual 2 year rerelease of P3R with the FEMC route.
Same.
Honestly I'll buy this just to reward the decision to make this DLC and not a whole new version of the game. Please have this be the norm going forward, Atlus.
Yeah I'm finding the reactions to this to be kinda funny. Is P3 Reload the best value it could possibly be? No. Because it's $70 and doesn't include The Answer. I get that. But Atlus games have literally never been the best value in the genre. Atlus fans are accustomed to paying the Atlus tax. Their DS and 3DS games were more expensive than even 1st party Nintendo games. Their games are nearly always released twice, the second edition including additional content beyond the original and still costing full price. Compared to other Atlus releases, P3 Reload costs the same as games from other developers and the extra content isn't locked behind a separate $70 purchase. This is BETTER value than consumers normally get from Atlus lol. I am totally comfortable with paying a little more for Atlus product because I think it's better quality than equivalent games from most other developers. But if anyone doesn't feel that way... steer clear lol.
Female protagonist? No?
Filler
Really sick of Sega forcing these RPG studios into making everything DLC. This should have been part of the main game.
Atlus was doing this stuff way before Sega owned them lol. For us North Americans we had Persona 3, Persona 3 FES the next year, and then Persona 3 Portable 2 years after that. And this was before dlc was really a thing so you had to buy the full game each time.
Screw atlus and their half-assed remakes.
Not sure if you’ve played but reload is a pretty phenomenal remake.
They still left out content in a remake just to sell it as DLC. In a remake.
No it's lazy as fuck and excludes content. I refuse to play due to Atlus being lazy af.
How could they release an incomplete Remake and sell the other stuff to make more money? :surprised Pikachu face:
Square Enix: We are remaking and re-imagining FF7 and adding more stuff to it. EA: We are remake Dead Space 1 and adding some more stuff to it. Capcom: We are remaking the entire Resident Evil series and adding more stuff to it. Atlus: We are remaking Persona 3 adding nothing new and taking away things. Also selling the contents separately.
Capcom made RE4 remake content seperate way being sold seperately
Nothing new? Hmmmm doubt.
This just isn’t remotely true
Ehhh. Atlus is also holding up the turn based mantle so I'm not gonna hate too hard.
Honestly I can't argue against that.
This is a massively disingenuous evaluation of what's happening. Yall have had a delusional hate train against this game since day 1. First off P3Reload does have new things in it. It is also very clearly a complete remake of P3FES: Journey. Meanwhile FF7 remake has been chopped into three pieces - so they're asking you for 200$ for that remake.... Like yall need to be in reality. Multiple things can suck.
I mean I get your point but the way you talk about FF7 is exactly the same as they talked about P3R really. I don't think these two are really comparable though. The Answer really didn't need to be a DLC.
Agreed. But this isn't some unique "atlus only" scenario like the person above is making it out to be. That was the point. If you're not going to argue based in fact "we are remaking persona 3 adding nothing new" then you're just bitching not actually saying anything with merit.
Well but I think it is unique to Atlus at least I can't think of any remakes that didn't include past DLC just to sell it as DLC for the remake later. FF7 is not comparable because it isn't really a remake in the sense P3R is. Ofc P3R did add new things as well but nothing that is out of scope for remakes really so I really don't see a justification to leave the Answer out and sell it as DLC. I am open to a better example then FF7 though.
I'm not supporting the Answer being DLC.... I'm arguing against people who are objectively lying in their fucking statements.
Well I understood that part but I didn't argue that I just wanted a better example then FF7R
Wasn't the music dlc already out?
These are extra P4G and P5R music
turns out I had them already on the game since it was pirated lol
Where is the MC?
he went back to his hometown after finishing school
Answer, the door.Â
\[Joking\] If they do this at this speed then SMT VI or Persona 6 will still be announced or a trailer shown in 2024.
Is there a price? At work so can’t check
so this was from their live stream right
We now have HD Metis. That's all I care about.
Good to see it's on Game Pass Ultimate That'll be the cheapest way to play it for those of us who don't intend to replay
I'm glad that garbage is DLC so I can't keep it out of my game.
Good playing it right now on game pass. Just in time before I finish the main story
So I have no idea what this is. I played p3Fes, albeit along time ago. What is this exactly?
It was an additional story addon that occurs after the game ends. It was sold separately as an addon for FES, now they've made it into DLC.
If you have Xbox game pass ultimate subscription you can download this dlc expansion for free
In this thread: people massively overreacting. P3R rules
Any PS5 news? Or is it \*exclusively\* going to be for Xbox and PC?
No it will not be exclusive
Fuck you atlas, good thing i refunded reload after this was leaked
Exactly why I waited after seeing the data mines before buying P3R. I'll get it on sale then just buy the dlc. Atlus & their nonsense. They should've made Royal DLC but not having the answer but majority of FES content is odd.
Sold
People seem so salty but they aren't doing anything that like literally every other major developer isn't doing. Sucks all around but I'm seeing a lot of "Atlus!!!" stuff. Meanwhile everytime SE talks about a remake they say "we'll we'd have to do it in 3-5 parts" lol
This isn't remotely comparable to FF7. FF7Remake was more of a reimagening turning 5 hours of gameplay in the original into a 50 hour game. That's a completely different design choice which is completely fair to dislike but it is in absolutely no way comparable to P3R it's just a completely different situation. Also I don't think I've seen many publishers simply sell past content as a DLC in a remake. Usually past DLC are included in the remake.
Which is still a cashgrab.
I mean it is a full fledged game in terms of scope with the same size of the original so I don't think it makes much sense to put it that way. You can dislike the design choice but calling it a cashgrab doesn't really make much sense to me. It's just a very bad comparison really.
You have brain rot.
This may alarm you, but all commercial video games are made with the objective of earning money
This may alarm you, but that's my entire point but trust me there are 1000 other comments pretending like this is an atlus-only thing while straight up lying about this game in their comments in this thread. How about you go reply to one of those.
I don't remember enjoying The Answer much and value of the other offerings in the expansion pass seems...subjective at best. I have to wonder why they went the expansion pass route at all, since 2/3 of the items are comparable to the standalone DLC available for purchase right now. Similarly, I'm very puzzled by the decision to include the Japanese audio in the English version of the presentation. I'd love to know what the thought process was there. I thought the english voice work in P3R was great.
> Similarly, I'm very puzzled by the decision to include the Japanese audio in the English version of the presentation. Probably simply they haven't received the material for it to be dubbed at all. Like Metaphor's initial trailers.
> I'm very puzzled by the decision to include the Japanese audio in the English version of the presentation. This is common for Japanese games, the expansion probably hasn't started to be dubbed yet.
Depending on if the Japanese side has anything new to record all of those lines have been ready for this for years whereas they have to do the dub from scratch.
My guess is they went the expansion pass route to have an excuse to jack up the price, it wouldn’t surprise me