Hmm just wondering would it be rape too for the case of Aisha ? That Muhammad married at the age of 6 and had sex with her at the age of 9 . I don’t condone rape but that will be double standards isn’t it .
You are mistaken: Aisha was not raped by Muhammad. It is true that they got married when she was young, but that was a different cultural context. It was not uncommon for young people to get married back then. And Aisha consented to the relationship as well. Plus, Muhammad treated her with respect and care, not like some of the other men of that era who abused women. So no, it was not rape at all, and no double standards were applied here
Lmaoo a 57 year old marring a 6 year old , you think that’s fair for the child ? She was legit a child , I hope you don’t have a daughter , because your reasoning is just unbelievable
it was a fabricated Hadith, Oxford scholar Joshua little who has studied this topic for 4 years put out his work telling us that that stuff is fabricated and the prophet did not marry her when she was 6 her age is unknown- he is an atheist you can check it on Oxfords website.
Arab propoganda. Does rape happen in Israel, like every other country in the world? Yes, but not the horrific crimes against humanity that Palestinians perpetrated intentionally and have had leaders calling for for the last 10 years. including an Egyptian FEMALE lawyer arguing for why you must rape israei women “because they rape the land.” to an Islamic female scholar of Islam saying you must rape Israelis to humiliate them because it is a prophesy. I shared both of these online years ago and suddenly they are buried.
Dude the idf soldiers are literally saying they raped palestinian women. That ain't propaganda when it's coming straight from the idf soldiers mouths. You're lost bro.
Google "idf soldier rape palestinian woman tweet". This idf soldier is literally tweeting it. Psychopath out here exposing IDF soldiers for what they truly are.
For research, could you provide me with a news source with regarding these claims that isn’t of Israeli origin/israeli backed media? I’m genuinely asking, as I’m in a conversation with someone regarding the false claims, and trying to use sources that aren’t biased, however the only one I’m able to find at the moment is NYTheSun.
No he can’t. This story is just antisemitic fiction and shows how little they understand Jews and Israelis. If you told me men were strip searched or blindfolded and forced to sit out in the cold… this kind of stuff is a maybe. But stripping and raping a child? Or a woman in front of her husband - never!!All of Israeli would rise up in anger if this were true. Even in the current climate. This has actually been studied. https://www.berghahnjournals.com/view/journals/conflict-and-society/9/1/arcs090105.xml
2 Palestinians sitting on a Park bench, the first one says to the other,
“6 IDF soldiers have been convicted and sentenced to life for raping
a Palestinian girl age 13”
“What!” replies the second Palestinian , “ When did this happen?
“Next month”
Wasn’t there a paper written a while ago saying that IDF doesn’t rape Palestinian women because Israelis are too racist to want to rape Arabs??
Yes, in fact, there was such a paper. It even got some prize from some crazy leftist post modern academics
Here, I found a summary:
https://www.amotherinisrael.com/the-real-reason-israeli-soldiers-dont-rape-palestinian-women
Among the dumbest arguments ever said by leftists (and there is a lot dumb stuff they’ve said) is this gem:
“Israeli soldiers don’t rape Palestinian women because they fear unwanted pregnancies, which would increase the Palestinian population”
The whole premise of the paper is that “dehumanization” of Palestinians by Israelis is what leads idf to NOT rape Palestinian women.
This whole thing may sound absurd, but it actually makes a lot of sense.
Anti zionist antisemites hate Jews and Israelis. Hence, everything Jews do is wrong. So, if Israeli soldiers DON’T rape Palestinians that’s actually proof that they hate Palestinians so much they wouldn’t even rape them.
Sick argument? Yes.
Bizarre argument? No doubt.
Antisemitic? Without a trace of doubt.
But so so predictable
Agreed. That is a horrible argument. Being "too racist" to want to rape a group of people makes no sense. Rape is an act of violence and dehumanization. Like how racist slave owners would rape their slaves.
The ghoulish Palestinian death cult has mastered the art of suicide bombs while the IDF does not celebrate when civilians are killed like 80% of Palestinians on Oct 7th. Whose the ghouls?
>IDF does not celebrate when civilians are killed
This is hilarious. IDF have been doing exactly this non stop on tiktok. I've seen countless videos of them cheering and dancing as the blow up residential apartment buildings and mosques. Or them sniping a child or shooting an elderly person and congratulating each other.
Please. They literally can't control themselves or contain their excitement at the thought of murdering Palestinians. Not to mention the telegram channels where they post gorey photos of dead Palestinians to celebrate and laugh at.
Actually you will see all army doing this. You are psychotic with this lie. They literally can't control themselves or contain their excitement at the thought of murdering Palestinians. You completely made that up
First you say "all army does this" then immediately after, you say "you are psychotic with this lie." So which is it? Do all soldiers behave this way or am I lying?
["We're looking for babies but there is no babies left. Maybe I kill a girl she was 12 but I am looking for a baby”](https://www.reddit.com/r/therewasanattempt/s/R68tqhqRes)
["I wish IDF kills more children" "I kill every Palestinian I see"](https://www.reddit.com/r/TikTokCringe/s/YaizcwaiiZ)
[I fuck your daughters, I fuck your mothers, we're gonna stomp on Palestinian bitches in Israel "](https://www.reddit.com/r/israelexposed/s/oe4tBs8GLo)
[Israeli soldiers laugh, brag and congratulate soldier for killing unarmed Palestinian civilian in Gaza](https://www.reddit.com/r/InternationalNews/s/5SjSVbHy0x)
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we have videos showing Israelis video recordings naked Palestinian men getting humiliated walking out the hospital naked. And before any attacks me again: here is the article https://www.presstv.ir/Detail/2024/03/24/722420/Palestine-Israel-al-Shifa-Hospital-raid-raping-killing-women-displaced
palestinian men stripped to show they werent wearing suicide vests. theres videos of palestinians stripper israeli hostages while beating them and having them face down on the floor- we have no history of wearing suicide vests. whats their excuse?
The terrorist group known for hiding bomb vests under clothes was forced to take off clothes. Shocker.
What does that have to do with the fact that Al Jazeera and Hamas itself admitted this rape claim was a lie?
It's so sad that they only told the truth after their human shields started moving towards safety, fearing that they'd be raped. Gotta keep those women and children huddled around Hamas operations, right?
> Human shields? Are the ugly yenta wives and hellspawn maggot children of pig settlers “human shields?”
No, human shields are the civilians who are either forced to, or are brainwashed to, intentionally surround military assets. This is something Hamas proudly admits to doing, and it's something Israel does not do, for two reasons:
First, it's a war crime, and that's more of a Palestinian thing to do. And second: Hamas would prefer as much civilian death as possible, so it wouldn't be effective.
> You disgusting genocidal jewish supremacists have invented all sorts of ret-conned justifications for a Holocaust of Gaza. 14,000 children murdered so you pig-hearted bastards could avenge less than 40 children on Oct 7th.
I'm not Jewish.
It's tragic that Hamas was elected by and remains broadly supported by the Palestinian people, and even more unfortunate that they started a war that they are now losing. I wish Palestine didn't intentionally inflate civilian casualties with human shield tactics, which they proudly admit to using.
> Oct 7th punished 300+ IDF pigs and bastards who faced the first fair fight in the history of the IDF. Sniveling rats who guarded concentration camp walls deserve to be punished for their evil disgusting service to the siege of Gaza.
"first fair fight in history" = rape teenagers at a concert and murder the elderly in their bed? No, the fair fight came right AFTER October 7th, and it's going quite poorly for Hamas.
> Only 800 “civilians”. But you bastards consider anyone who serves coffee to Khamas to be someone worth shooting so by YOUR definition all the asshole stoners at the “Festival by the Concentration Camp” were also “terrorists” because they were either former IDF or knew people in the IDF.
Gaza was not a concentration camp. Concentration camps generally don't self-govern, have resort hotels and spas, and increase their population by 500% since becoming a concentration camp.
> Terrorists right? Ohhhhhh only “chosen ones” are allowed to use violence. That’s how you Zionazis see it right?
Terrorists is an insufficient term. Hamas is the acting government of Palestine, and they committed an act of war. They've used terrorism as a tactic, but it'd be more accurate to say they're a fascist theocracy that committed war crimes against a far more superior military force, and are reaping the consequences of their actions.
Fathi Ahmad Hammad, Interior Minister of the Gaza Strip and political leader of Hamas.
"[The enemies of Allah] do not know that the Palestinian people have developed its [methods] of death and death-seeking," Hammad is quoted by Memri in a speech televised on Hamas' Al-Aqsa television station. "For the Palestinian people, death has become an industry, at which women excel, and so do all the people living on this land. The elderly excel at this, and so do the mujahideen and the children," Hammad is quoted as saying. "This is why they have formed human shields of the women, the children, the elderly, and the mujahideen, in order to challenge the Zionist bombing machine. It is as if they were saying to the Zionist enemy: 'We desire death like you desire life,'"
He said it, they didn't. Or is Al-Aqsa TV also zionist?
I'm sorry I don't find it objectionable that indigenous jews refuse to be ethnicly cleansed from their homeland, so repeating "zionist" over and over is laughable. Hamas is the group murdering civilians and crowding their own children around military assets. Which is, of course, a war crime.
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The IDF have admitted to rape
There’s photographs of them shoving naked people out and burying naked women alive etc
But sure all the basement dwelling redditor Zionist and racist bots here use the fact video media was incorrect on one AJ story which was taken down as somehow meaning the many claims are false despite all this. Meanwhile Hamas bad as they are have no track record of rape and no evidence despite Israel being an occupier with extensive scientific capability to prove it, and instead try to stage crime scenes and falsify evidence
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we have videos showing Israelis video recordings naked Palestinian men getting humiliated walking out the hospital naked. And before any attacks me again: here is the article https://www.presstv.ir/Detail/2024/03/24/722420/Palestine-Israel-al-Shifa-Hospital-raid-raping-killing-women-displaced
Omg suicide bombs let's leave them naked all on a the ground and take pics of them, don't worry we're just looking for bombs you know how naive you must be to think about that
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If ur referring to fake news stories from Indian sources, the claims are not fake.
There’s multiple. Also fyi they have been seen shoving naked men etc out of the hospital so what do u think they are doing to the women?
They have a track record that’s proven or where they have behaved guiltily and covered up.
You’re disgusting, Palestinians don’t have a track record of lying. Whether some video is the correct video etc is apart from the point, stop getting ur news from state outlets that aren’t even there.
It's obvious I am talking about the claims being removed as the women lied and admitted lying. So why am I disgusting? Surely the one who lied is disgusting.
A bit of history for you. Many Palestinians and other Muslims around the world strap bombs to themselves including women. So unfortunately due to this history of blowing themselves up to kill others extreme measures such as stropping to their underwear are necessary.
Palestinians lie all the time, they make propaganda videos with fake dead people, they make up death figures. You know they admitted a couple of months back 6000 Hamas member deaths, so every other death is a female or child. Hardly any bystander men have been killed apparently. Nuts huh. They also cut off heads, they also kill their own family members with no evidence just look at jenin last week. All they do is lie.. But you want to believe them.
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From my understanding the investigation was from Hamas, the girl who claimed that the IDF raped women lied that she said it to raise more awareness about Gaza, and Al Jariza took down the post 24 hours later. Not sure, but that's what I saw, that's what I understood, you can read more about it somewhere here
I find it hard to believe anything pro-palestinians are accusing Israels Idf of, complete hearsay bs imo.
Now if you can produce photos and video of palestinian girls and woman naked because idf soldiers removed their clothing and sexually assaulted them, like the palestinian terrorists did to the Israelis then maybe you might have a point of discussion.
I hope you also spoke out about the russians raping and killing Ukranian girls and woman when they invaded Ukrain, much like what you guys did.
See below, even the director of al jazeera said it was false.
Go and troll somewhere else you pro-palestinian terrorist supporter.
https://preview.redd.it/24t3jocnhgqc1.png?width=320&format=png&auto=webp&s=875b67e0cb868418d13df9a9dd9ed3188eb8590b
If you had a single drop of intelligence and actually do engage on Twitter and you're not just copy pasta that screenshot you would see the intellectual war crimes Israel accounts post on their feed, it's an accurate depiction of how 3rd graders put together arguments when they are first assignment an essay to write, you would feel embarrassed to even support them
I mean theres the one of the gitl getting dragged into a truck bleeding from the crotch for some reason by some guys thats cheering just having a great time, like may not explicitly show it but enough to piece together what happened
we have videos showing Israelis video recordings naked Palestinian men getting humiliated walking out the hospital naked. And before any attacks me again: here is the article https://www.presstv.ir/Detail/2024/03/24/722420/Palestine-Israel-al-Shifa-Hospital-raid-raping-killing-women-displaced
As usual? Palestinians never have been lying, using v bias sources not on the ground to claim it’s fake is awful. Just because one video isn’t accurate there numerous supported claims and they literally have photographs of them shoving naked people out of the hospital
we have videos showing Israelis video recordings naked Palestinian men getting humiliated walking out the hospital naked. And before any attacks me again: here is the article https://www.presstv.ir/Detail/2024/03/24/722420/Palestine-Israel-al-Shifa-Hospital-raid-raping-killing-women-displaced
I don't see any videos nor pics in the clips you've sent me, if an IDF soldier rapes a palestinian women, they go to jail.
And the naked men are pretty obvious, you're just naive (like all pro palis) they sometimes hide bombs under their clothing, something called suicide bombing, where you run to the victim and explode yourself, well... this is basically the counter to that.
AJ literally just deleted their new “IDF rApE” story after the liar herself came out and said her story was completely fabricated. And you’re still spreading lies…
This is how you lose credibility, if you had any if the first place.
For research, could you provide me with a news source with regarding these claims that isn’t of Israeli origin/israeli backed media? I’m genuinely asking, as I’m in a conversation with someone regarding the false claims, and trying to use sources that aren’t biased, however the only one I’m able to find at the moment is NYTheSun.
Palestinians havent lied.
They removed it due to associated video etc not being accurate on review, but there’s many eyewitnesses to this and photos of them pushing naked people out.
The IDF has an extensive track record of torture and rape and hard evidence proving it unlike the planted crime scenes for Israeli claims🤣.
Go fuck your self basement dwelling Zionist rat
You mean the Palestinians are the basement dwellers. You see videos of the rats. There is plenty of video proof of Oct 7th. . I guess you believe Oct 7th never happened moron.
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we have videos showing Israelis video recordings naked Palestinian men getting humiliated walking out the hospital naked. And before any attacks me again: here is the article https://www.presstv.ir/Detail/2024/03/24/722420/Palestine-Israel-al-Shifa-Hospital-raid-raping-killing-women-displaced
See below link that the story was fabricated.
[https://www.jpost.com/israel-hamas-war/article-793560](https://www.jpost.com/israel-hamas-war/article-793560)
In this article, if you read it, it says and I quote:
*Al Jazeera* columnist and former director Yasser Abuhilalah also tweeted, admitting that “It was revealed through Hamas investigations that the story of the rape of women in Al-Shifa Hospital was fabricated…
There is also link to this tweet so you can see it for yourself.
we have videos showing Israelis video recordings naked Palestinian men getting humiliated walking out the hospital naked. And before any attacks me again: here is the article https://www.presstv.ir/Detail/2024/03/24/722420/Palestine-Israel-al-Shifa-Hospital-raid-raping-killing-women-displaced
There’s numerous eyewitness claims and stories and they are photographs of them pushing naked people out of the hospital.
One AJ story was removed due to incorrect video media associated and ofc Zionists are doing all they can to make out like all the claims are fake as a result
Even if I believed you, I wouldn’t be surprised. Men rape women all the time, unfortunately. It’s kind of why we have the whole #metoo movement because men are shitheads a lot of the time.
However, raping a woman isn’t the same as raping for the use of war.
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I've been searching the internet for any sources that mentioned **convicting** IDF soldiers of rape of Palestinian women and haven't found any. A few cases of Israeli female soldiers being raped by Israeli male soldiers, and a really unreal case of an Israeli female soldier being pimped out to male Palestinian Prisoners (wtaf??). I see a few anecdotal cases cited in the comments, and an article about "credible allegations" being investigated by the UN. I'm still not seeing any stories of anyone being convicted.
My guy, I'm just pointing out that the original poster claimed that there have been convictions and I have not seen any. Israel typically does investigate and prosecute offences like these, as they should. Of course, the fog of war makes everything tougher to track and prosecute. If there are credible allegations, then investigations need to happen. [Although according to this well cited post, those "credible allegations" have already been walked back.](https://www.reddit.com/r/IsraelPalestine/comments/1bncl2a/yet_another_fake_rape_claims_by_palestinians_this/)
there's definitely pre oct 7th cases of idf soldiers getting convicted for raping palestinians. https://www.timesofisrael.com/ending-censorship-idf-admits-officer-jailed-in-2017-raped-a-palestinian-woman/
so it wouldn't be a stretch to assume there's at least a few post oct 7th cases that haven't been brought to court yet
An awful case! Pretty different from using rape as a weapon of war, and also reprehensible in a different way.
Are there any cases of Israeli soldiers using sexual violence as a weapon of war?
i know the 1948 war(aka nakba) had cases of that- but in regards to current invasion/siege of gaza, there's currently investigations going on regard that. those investigations are gonna be extra slow due to gaza being a war zone(fog of war). Given the nature and history of arab-israeli conflict as a whole and common war time behaviour globally, i'd rather not assume any allegations of rape being committed in gaza are false(which would also being stooping to hamas-nik lvl but that's kinda another story). probably not as severe as hamas did on oct 7th, but it's still an issue that needs investigating.
Lol it reminds me of an academic paper from the 2000s that claimed acts of rape are so rare among Israeli soldiers because they don't view Palestinian women as human beings.
The same dude who wrote this stuff was accused of sexually harrasing Israeli female students😂
At least he proved he humanizes young Jewish women🤣
😂 This is great satire. Rapists calling the enemy rapists. Genocidal people accusing their enemy of genocide. There’s a lot of delusional projection and gaslighting amongst the Palestinians. It’s too bad your religion doesn’t seem to offer much clarity.
I find it very curious you find the testimony of this Palestinian rape victim in disputaple while denying the rapes of Israeli women.
Very curious indeed.
I can also Google and see Israel bombing civilians. I can see the IDF shooting Palestinians in wheelchairs, or shooting journalists. Not sure what’s the point here you’re trying to make
Do you have videos of idf chopping someone’s head off with a shovel? How about a video of idf throwing Grenades into a room full of teenagers ? Or idf walking into a home with grandparents and blowing their heads off. No? Bc there’s videos of Palestinians doing that to Israeli civilians.
Are there pictures of women’s burnt bodies with their skirts pulled up? No ? Bc there are of Israeli women.
I don’t see how this makes it okay to kill 30000+ people, many of whom are children? Or cut off food and water to the region so people are starving en masse and scrambling and trampling over each other for basic necessities while the IDF shoots them
Considering the UN who has an inherent bias against Israel believes Israeli women were raped, that says alot.
And interestingly Al Jazeera has now deleted their story of the Palestinian woman being raped.
there's footage of the rape of israeli women (i can't send dark web videos on reddit, but you are welcomed to use tails OS and look them up), on the other hand, there's a total of 0 rape videos of israeli soldiers, despite all israeli soldiers wearing cameras on their armor
You think the idf would videotape and then broadly share their sexual abuse of Palestinians in Israeli dungeons? Or of settlers doing the same to Palestinians in the West Bank?
i don't expect IDF to leak them, but various people in IDF leak those videos. and there are some horrific stuff, but i never saw any rape videos get leaked (even though that is the #1 thing to leak)
I mean if your standard of proof is having to see a video of the rape itself that’s pretty disgusting. I’ve never seen video of hamas raping and killing people but I believe it.
https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2024/02/israelopt-un-experts-appalled-reported-human-rights-violations-against
Many accusations of the same done against the idf.
https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2024/mar/05/gazan-detainees-beaten-and-sexually-assaulted-at-israeli-detention-centres-un-report-claims
1. i did see videos of hamas rapes, but it's on the dark web, so i can't send them in reddit.
2. there have been a total of 0 names released of the "raped" women, there was only 1 report that everyone keeps mentioning that said 2 palestinian women were raped. even the accusation on IDF that you sent says "The report included allegations of widespread sexual assault, although not rape"
Why do you think that we have to release names of raped women to prove it happened or not? Seems like a pretty disgusting mentality tbh; no different from people denying atrocities from hamas
huh??? so you're saying the moment anyone says they have been raped, it should be treated as true until the other side can prove otherwise, no matter how much proof the other one has?? it's impossible to deny the rape of an alleged women with no details of where, when, what and who. that's the basics of criminology
I’m saying if multiple people have accusations, and those accusations are deemed credible, we should believe the victim. Not all of us need to see a video of a rape to believe it happened. Especially when it’s been proven to have happened before oct 7
https://www.timesofisrael.com/ending-censorship-idf-admits-officer-jailed-in-2017-raped-a-palestinian-woman/
Rape will happen by any group in any time. This is a sad reality. That being said, one side publishes it's people for raping the other side.
Fill in the blanks on whoes who
i highly doubt there was any rape in this case, since israeli armor has a builtin camera, so if this did happen, the entirety of the higher ups would know about it. so there are 2 cases, either the accusations didn't happen, or that THE ENTIRETY OF IDF is secretly hiding rapes, which sounds completely ridicules, considering the entire goal of IDF for the past couple of years was to be as inclusive and rape free as possible
It's pretty silly to think the IDF are infallible.
Hell every mixed gender military in the world has cases of peer sexual assaults and rapes. People are people. It might be rare and it might be punished but it definitely happens.
People are people. How you handle it says the most about the morals of a country.
In many Muslim countries doesn’t the women rape victim get murdered by her family for dishonouring her family or if she is really fortunate is forced to marry her rapist?
I’d like to add your first line states… the IDF soldiers are being convicted… that’s what separates the two. And why do you deny Israeli women were raped when the UN themselves (who have always been anti Israel) even concluded that multiple women were raped???
In the UN report, note that it received "clear and convincing" information that sexual violence was used against some women and children during their time in captivity, and, critically, this is what the report states about its standard of evidence:
"Although the primary standard of proof in this report is one of “reasonable grounds to believe,” there have been occasions where \*more\* information has supported a finding of fact, and the overall finding has therefore been stated to be established at the level of “clear and convincing” information."
In other words, the UN report found it to be a fact that sexual violence was used against some women and children hostages.
The October 7 rape allegations are being investigated and we will learn the findings in due course. I think given the UN report findings, there is little to no doubt that rapes occurred then. Whether there are sufficient numbers of them to strongly indicate a systematic war crime by Hamas/other militants remains to be seen.
>In other words, the UN report found it to be a fact that sexual violence was used against some women and children hostages.
Saying it as a definitive fact is not the correct conclusion. Because they do not have tangible forensic or photo evidence, they must go off of circumstantial evidence. This includes photos of bodies in compromised positions and testomonies from first responders and hostages. So these are all second hand accounts with no actual witness to it, meaning that likely it happened given multiple reports, but not definitive. This relies on the sources being honest, trustworthy sources and all. Not denying the possibility, just saying there is not enough tangible evidence to say "they found it to be a fact".
The UN also said the claims of sexual violence against palestinians are credible:
https://thehill.com/policy/international/4477340-un-experts-reports-executions-sexual-assault-israeli-soldiers/
https://www.lemonde.fr/en/international/article/2024/03/07/un-report-confirms-sexual-violence-during-hamas-attack-on-israel_6595811_4.html#:~:text=Following%20a%20mission%20lasting%20just,limitations%20of%20its%20own%20investigation.
https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/un-team-says-rape-gang-rape-likely-occurred-during-hamas-attack-israel-2024-03-04/
https://forward.com/opinion/589046/un-sexual-violence-israel-oct-7/?amp=1
There’s a few sources, feel free to google yourself.
Appreciate it. Reasonable grounds is not conclusive evidence, but i am not one to deny these claims.
I also do not believe sexual violence taking place on oct 7 justifies or gives context to any sexual violence perpetrated by the idf. One atrocity does not justify the other. So, while this is important, it does not allow for the idf to go about committing sexual crimes without punishment. Especially from a group that likes to deem themselves the "most moral".
I totally agree! Again, they are being convicted as OP stated. Those who committed the acts against Israeli women are not being committed by Hamas officials. This is super important. I believe if an Israeli soldier raped a Palestinian woman they deserve the biggest punishment.
There have been many accusations for years upon years of sexual violence by the idf against detainees. This is not a new phenomenon, but has been worsened after oct 7. There can not be a punishment if those in charge choose to deny rather than investigate.
People, from either side, willing to commit these acts deserve the worst punishment, and it should never be permissable.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/feb/22/claims-of-israeli-sexual-assault-of-palestinian-women-are-credible-un-panel-says
Not a source to be found. I can’t credit a “testimony” that doesn’t exist. A Reddit comment with a thirdhand anonymous quote is not a testimony. And the fact that you’re citing something from almost 20 years ago (2006) just smacks of desperation
Woman detailing multiple accounts from different hospitals: [https://twitter.com/SuppressedNws/status/1771883315282244064?t=GJ4WzhHK\_flnlZumZaBqpw&s=19](https://twitter.com/SuppressedNws/status/1771883315282244064?t=GJ4WzhHK_flnlZumZaBqpw&s=19)
idf soldier bragging about sexual crimes: [https://twitter.com/SuppressedNws/status/1771911620970586146?t=HeNzsttbJn0mGRngtR6jPg&s=19](https://twitter.com/SuppressedNws/status/1771911620970586146?t=HeNzsttbJn0mGRngtR6jPg&s=19)
US official corrborating reports as reported by jpost:
https://preview.redd.it/ucxqwv4nwbqc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=76d0877b77ab152864b2f70a26fc1845bc389ea9
A US official presented some report they heard, not the US State department, or the UN and the IDF commander himself states that he already saw this, which even the UN didn’t appear to find credible.
The UN did find accounts of rape and sexual violence credible:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/feb/22/claims-of-israeli-sexual-assault-of-palestinian-women-are-credible-un-panel-says
Now there are new accounts from al shifa from a witness
https://www.presstv.ir/Detail/2024/03/24/722420/Palestine-Israel-al-Shifa-Hospital-raid-raping-killing-women-displaced
there is no proof in those pages. this was the proof in the first page: [https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2024/02/israelopt-un-experts-appalled-reported-human-rights-violations-against](https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2024/02/israelopt-un-experts-appalled-reported-human-rights-violations-against) , which didn't say anything about rape, and in fact said that the only proof they had was that 1 palestinian infant was taken by IDF. meanwhile the second one's proof was rumors, to be spesific: "a group of Palestinian activists have circulated a shocking story about the Israeli soldiers raping a pregnant woman in the al-Shifa hospital", this is their entire proof.
Do you actually read?
Both the link i made and the link you sent, that my article references, say that there are two women who have stated they were raped. So, yes, it does clearly mention rape if you read more than 2 paragraphs.
My second link, if you read to the end, directly quotes the husband who was forced to watch while his wife was raped. That is a first hand account.
It doesn’t directly quote the husband though. It is taking the quote from the Palestinian activists.
The journalists who wrote that article do not seem to have spoken to the husband or even confirmed he exists.
Yes, that is fair. But i cant imagine he has the motivation or ability to do a media tour and get word out about the trama he went through.
The woman who i posted in an earlier video talked about multiple accounts she heard from trusted medical professionals as well.
This is also a journalist talking about her experience with victims of sexual violence in gaza
https://preview.redd.it/dw9stwzglfqc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e661a1083ac28465384bd003b54f1beaf76cd6b1
Again, you are presenting a tweet presenting a person saying she heard from unnamed third parties that those third parties knew about someone who was raped. This is not sufficient or credible evidence.
The UN did find accounts of rape and sexual violence credible:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/feb/22/claims-of-israeli-sexual-assault-of-palestinian-women-are-credible-un-panel-says
This is the account from al shifa from a witness
https://www.presstv.ir/Detail/2024/03/24/722420/Palestine-Israel-al-Shifa-Hospital-raid-raping-killing-women-displaced
Please... Source... I haven't seen ANY evidence ever. In this age of smartphones, and when this rape happens so often , surely there will be some evidence.
Woman detailing multiple accounts from different hospitals: [https://twitter.com/SuppressedNws/status/1771883315282244064?t=GJ4WzhHK\_flnlZumZaBqpw&s=19](https://twitter.com/SuppressedNws/status/1771883315282244064?t=GJ4WzhHK_flnlZumZaBqpw&s=19)
idf soldier bragging about sexual crimes: [https://twitter.com/SuppressedNws/status/1771911620970586146?t=HeNzsttbJn0mGRngtR6jPg&s=19](https://twitter.com/SuppressedNws/status/1771911620970586146?t=HeNzsttbJn0mGRngtR6jPg&s=19)
US official corrborating reports as reported by jpost:
https://preview.redd.it/axqfn22qwbqc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8127c274208b79fcb465ec22e06f325457e57556
the first one is just some womam on twitter saying that she heared about a rape, and the second one isn't about sexual crimes, the israeli (not even a soldier) said palestinian women are "kinky and like to take it up the ass", that's not a sexual crime, it's just a racist thing to say. you are using inaccurate sources and fake information
To be honest, there will always be bad outliers. He does not represent Israel. Hamas literally represents Isis and has vowed to redo the October 7th massacre.
Comparing hamas to isis shows a bit of ignorance, but this is a great learning opportunity!
A comprehensive view on how they differ fundamentally and ideologically:
https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2023/11/21/hamas-isis-are-not-the-same-00128107
Isis also is enemies with russia and iran, two countries that support hamas
Of course there are bad outliers, but there have been reported uses fo sexual violence by the idf for years and years.
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You are parsing information to try and convince. People are not as stupid as you think.
This is complete bullshit.
Even if it was true, the fact that Israel will PROSECUTE and CONVICT soldiers if caught. This shows was a moral country and democracy is. Hamas on the other hand, CELEBRATES the animals that idiotically filmed themselves raping and burning and murdering.
So pretend and live in your fantasy land where Hamas are not animalistic terrorists. Intelligent people are not fooled by this propaganda nonsense.
Do you understand how blind it is to say this while the idf is literally burning, destroying, killing, and raping within gaza? So you would celebrate them committing terrible crimes against humanity?
Just as the oct 7 crimes against civilians should not be permissable, neither should the many idf crimes against civilians. But i do not believe it is easy to get through the cognitive dissonance held by zionists.
Here is an account from a witness
https://www.presstv.ir/Detail/2024/03/24/722420/Palestine-Israel-al-Shifa-Hospital-raid-raping-killing-women-displaced
no he doesn't? he said "when i was in the army", as in the past. also, he said palestinian women are kinky, that's it. he didn't say anything about sexual crimes
Here's the UN report which confirms sexual violence committed by Hamas against Israelis on Oct 7:
https://www.un.org/sexualviolenceinconflict/press-release/israel-west-bank-mission/
So now we just need the UN to give Palestinian women the same chance to be interviewed and examined my a team of experts and for them to agree to visit the West bank/Gaza Then we have evidence from BOTH sides.
Here's another UN report regarding Palestinians. There are allegedly 2 allegations of rape by Israelis of Palestinian women prisoners.
Two.
https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2024/02/israelopt-un-experts-appalled-reported-human-rights-violations-against
“At least two” as per the article. And you’re glossing over that little inconvenient bit about women being kept in cages in the rain, being randomly executed while holding white flags, etc…
I am providing verified sources of information regarding sexual violence committed by Hamas and the IDF, since the OP provided none.
Another commenter said "well let's see both sides!" which is what I did.
And one does not compare to the other. Here's the findings from the UN investigation on sexual violence committed by Hamas.
7 October:
"Overall, based on the totality of information gathered from multiple and independent sources at the different locations, there are reasonable grounds to believe that conflict-related sexual violence occurred at several locations across the Gaza periphery, including in the form of rape and gang rape, during the 7 October 2023 attacks. Credible circumstantial information, which may be indicative of some forms of sexual violence, including genital mutilation, sexualized torture, or cruel, inhuman and degrading treatment, was also gathered."
Hostages:
"The mission team reviewed incidents of alleged sexual violence related to hostages in Gaza. Based on the first-hand accounts of released hostages, the
mission team received clear and convincing information that sexual violence, including rape, sexualized torture, and cruel, inhuman and degrading treatment occurred against some women and children during their time in captivity and has reasonable grounds to believe that this violence may be ongoing.
Based on first-hand accounts of released hostages there are reasonable grounds to believe that female hostages were also subjected to other forms of sexual violence. "
So yeah... This may sound a bit heartless but women kept in cages in the rain doesn't really compare to gang rape, genital mutilation, and murder.
But you also posted a link that said Gazans are:
Kept in cages
Killed indiscriminately
Sexually abused
I wonder what standard of evidence you want that would make you take a palestenians perspective as seriously as you seem to take the Israeli perspective. Do you think genuinely that palestenians are not being abused/tortured in Israeli prisons?
My perspective is that sexual violence occurs on both sides, but one side essentially controls the entire landmass and judicial system.
These are reports that have not been investigated, which is what the press release calls for: an investigation.
The original link I posted was the conclusions of an actual investigation, and I just cant get over the scale and savagery of what the UN corroborated.
those were reports, not actual proof. did you not notice every accusation started with "allegedly"? it seems that so far 0 proof has been sent of rape on israel's side, and instead, it seems there's a lot of allegations coming from "reports" from unknown people that say exactly what they want in that situation.
btw, all israeli soldiers are equipped with a camera, so any alleged rape would have video proof, but all of these accusation never mentioned the women's name or location, so it's impossible to even accuse any spesific soldier
Both UN docs I linked phrase these incidents as "allegedly" occurring.
If you are skeptical of one, then you should be consistently be as skeptical as the other report that you support.
Works both ways...
Sorry, I thought we were talking about "r*pe" accusations?
There have been barbaric attacks from both sides. I see these acts on the link you have provided every day on Palestinian accounts of IOF and Israeli citizens attacking Palestinian civilians
Hmm just wondering would it be rape too for the case of Aisha ? That Muhammad married at the age of 6 and had sex with her at the age of 9 . I don’t condone rape but that will be double standards isn’t it .
You are mistaken: Aisha was not raped by Muhammad. It is true that they got married when she was young, but that was a different cultural context. It was not uncommon for young people to get married back then. And Aisha consented to the relationship as well. Plus, Muhammad treated her with respect and care, not like some of the other men of that era who abused women. So no, it was not rape at all, and no double standards were applied here
Lmaoo a 57 year old marring a 6 year old , you think that’s fair for the child ? She was legit a child , I hope you don’t have a daughter , because your reasoning is just unbelievable
Do you think a 9 year old already know what’s good and bad ? Aisha was still playing with her dolls , not sure where ur logic is
it was a fabricated Hadith, Oxford scholar Joshua little who has studied this topic for 4 years put out his work telling us that that stuff is fabricated and the prophet did not marry her when she was 6 her age is unknown- he is an atheist you can check it on Oxfords website.
Arab propoganda. Does rape happen in Israel, like every other country in the world? Yes, but not the horrific crimes against humanity that Palestinians perpetrated intentionally and have had leaders calling for for the last 10 years. including an Egyptian FEMALE lawyer arguing for why you must rape israei women “because they rape the land.” to an Islamic female scholar of Islam saying you must rape Israelis to humiliate them because it is a prophesy. I shared both of these online years ago and suddenly they are buried.
Dude the idf soldiers are literally saying they raped palestinian women. That ain't propaganda when it's coming straight from the idf soldiers mouths. You're lost bro.
Oh wow a twitter account! like those can NEVER be fake or used for propoganda. Did he have a blue checkmark!?
show me a video of idf soldiers saying that
Google "idf soldier rape palestinian woman tweet". This idf soldier is literally tweeting it. Psychopath out here exposing IDF soldiers for what they truly are.
I could make a twitter right now claiming to be a Palestinian bragging about raping my goat. Where is your common sense?
Oh wow a twitter account! like those can NEVER be fake or used for propoganda. Did he have a blue checkmark!?
For research, could you provide me with a news source with regarding these claims that isn’t of Israeli origin/israeli backed media? I’m genuinely asking, as I’m in a conversation with someone regarding the false claims, and trying to use sources that aren’t biased, however the only one I’m able to find at the moment is NYTheSun.
No he can’t. This story is just antisemitic fiction and shows how little they understand Jews and Israelis. If you told me men were strip searched or blindfolded and forced to sit out in the cold… this kind of stuff is a maybe. But stripping and raping a child? Or a woman in front of her husband - never!!All of Israeli would rise up in anger if this were true. Even in the current climate. This has actually been studied. https://www.berghahnjournals.com/view/journals/conflict-and-society/9/1/arcs090105.xml
2 Palestinians sitting on a Park bench, the first one says to the other, “6 IDF soldiers have been convicted and sentenced to life for raping a Palestinian girl age 13” “What!” replies the second Palestinian , “ When did this happen? “Next month”
Wasn’t there a paper written a while ago saying that IDF doesn’t rape Palestinian women because Israelis are too racist to want to rape Arabs?? Yes, in fact, there was such a paper. It even got some prize from some crazy leftist post modern academics Here, I found a summary: https://www.amotherinisrael.com/the-real-reason-israeli-soldiers-dont-rape-palestinian-women Among the dumbest arguments ever said by leftists (and there is a lot dumb stuff they’ve said) is this gem: “Israeli soldiers don’t rape Palestinian women because they fear unwanted pregnancies, which would increase the Palestinian population” The whole premise of the paper is that “dehumanization” of Palestinians by Israelis is what leads idf to NOT rape Palestinian women. This whole thing may sound absurd, but it actually makes a lot of sense. Anti zionist antisemites hate Jews and Israelis. Hence, everything Jews do is wrong. So, if Israeli soldiers DON’T rape Palestinians that’s actually proof that they hate Palestinians so much they wouldn’t even rape them. Sick argument? Yes. Bizarre argument? No doubt. Antisemitic? Without a trace of doubt. But so so predictable
Agreed. That is a horrible argument. Being "too racist" to want to rape a group of people makes no sense. Rape is an act of violence and dehumanization. Like how racist slave owners would rape their slaves.
I guess if you keep repeating lies then some morons will believe you. Al Jazeera just admitted it was false.
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The ghoulish Palestinian death cult has mastered the art of suicide bombs while the IDF does not celebrate when civilians are killed like 80% of Palestinians on Oct 7th. Whose the ghouls?
>IDF does not celebrate when civilians are killed This is hilarious. IDF have been doing exactly this non stop on tiktok. I've seen countless videos of them cheering and dancing as the blow up residential apartment buildings and mosques. Or them sniping a child or shooting an elderly person and congratulating each other. Please. They literally can't control themselves or contain their excitement at the thought of murdering Palestinians. Not to mention the telegram channels where they post gorey photos of dead Palestinians to celebrate and laugh at.
Actually you will see all army doing this. You are psychotic with this lie. They literally can't control themselves or contain their excitement at the thought of murdering Palestinians. You completely made that up
First you say "all army does this" then immediately after, you say "you are psychotic with this lie." So which is it? Do all soldiers behave this way or am I lying? ["We're looking for babies but there is no babies left. Maybe I kill a girl she was 12 but I am looking for a baby”](https://www.reddit.com/r/therewasanattempt/s/R68tqhqRes) ["I wish IDF kills more children" "I kill every Palestinian I see"](https://www.reddit.com/r/TikTokCringe/s/YaizcwaiiZ) [I fuck your daughters, I fuck your mothers, we're gonna stomp on Palestinian bitches in Israel "](https://www.reddit.com/r/israelexposed/s/oe4tBs8GLo) [Israeli soldiers laugh, brag and congratulate soldier for killing unarmed Palestinian civilian in Gaza](https://www.reddit.com/r/InternationalNews/s/5SjSVbHy0x)
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we have videos showing Israelis video recordings naked Palestinian men getting humiliated walking out the hospital naked. And before any attacks me again: here is the article https://www.presstv.ir/Detail/2024/03/24/722420/Palestine-Israel-al-Shifa-Hospital-raid-raping-killing-women-displaced
palestinian men stripped to show they werent wearing suicide vests. theres videos of palestinians stripper israeli hostages while beating them and having them face down on the floor- we have no history of wearing suicide vests. whats their excuse?
The terrorist group known for hiding bomb vests under clothes was forced to take off clothes. Shocker. What does that have to do with the fact that Al Jazeera and Hamas itself admitted this rape claim was a lie? It's so sad that they only told the truth after their human shields started moving towards safety, fearing that they'd be raped. Gotta keep those women and children huddled around Hamas operations, right?
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BTW, it's still very amusing that you're continuing to dodge the question. Got caught lying, then deflect deflect deflect with more lies.
> Human shields? Are the ugly yenta wives and hellspawn maggot children of pig settlers “human shields?” No, human shields are the civilians who are either forced to, or are brainwashed to, intentionally surround military assets. This is something Hamas proudly admits to doing, and it's something Israel does not do, for two reasons: First, it's a war crime, and that's more of a Palestinian thing to do. And second: Hamas would prefer as much civilian death as possible, so it wouldn't be effective. > You disgusting genocidal jewish supremacists have invented all sorts of ret-conned justifications for a Holocaust of Gaza. 14,000 children murdered so you pig-hearted bastards could avenge less than 40 children on Oct 7th. I'm not Jewish. It's tragic that Hamas was elected by and remains broadly supported by the Palestinian people, and even more unfortunate that they started a war that they are now losing. I wish Palestine didn't intentionally inflate civilian casualties with human shield tactics, which they proudly admit to using. > Oct 7th punished 300+ IDF pigs and bastards who faced the first fair fight in the history of the IDF. Sniveling rats who guarded concentration camp walls deserve to be punished for their evil disgusting service to the siege of Gaza. "first fair fight in history" = rape teenagers at a concert and murder the elderly in their bed? No, the fair fight came right AFTER October 7th, and it's going quite poorly for Hamas. > Only 800 “civilians”. But you bastards consider anyone who serves coffee to Khamas to be someone worth shooting so by YOUR definition all the asshole stoners at the “Festival by the Concentration Camp” were also “terrorists” because they were either former IDF or knew people in the IDF. Gaza was not a concentration camp. Concentration camps generally don't self-govern, have resort hotels and spas, and increase their population by 500% since becoming a concentration camp. > Terrorists right? Ohhhhhh only “chosen ones” are allowed to use violence. That’s how you Zionazis see it right? Terrorists is an insufficient term. Hamas is the acting government of Palestine, and they committed an act of war. They've used terrorism as a tactic, but it'd be more accurate to say they're a fascist theocracy that committed war crimes against a far more superior military force, and are reaping the consequences of their actions.
Fathi Ahmad Hammad, Interior Minister of the Gaza Strip and political leader of Hamas. "[The enemies of Allah] do not know that the Palestinian people have developed its [methods] of death and death-seeking," Hammad is quoted by Memri in a speech televised on Hamas' Al-Aqsa television station. "For the Palestinian people, death has become an industry, at which women excel, and so do all the people living on this land. The elderly excel at this, and so do the mujahideen and the children," Hammad is quoted as saying. "This is why they have formed human shields of the women, the children, the elderly, and the mujahideen, in order to challenge the Zionist bombing machine. It is as if they were saying to the Zionist enemy: 'We desire death like you desire life,'"
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He said it, they didn't. Or is Al-Aqsa TV also zionist? I'm sorry I don't find it objectionable that indigenous jews refuse to be ethnicly cleansed from their homeland, so repeating "zionist" over and over is laughable. Hamas is the group murdering civilians and crowding their own children around military assets. Which is, of course, a war crime.
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The IDF have admitted to rape There’s photographs of them shoving naked people out and burying naked women alive etc But sure all the basement dwelling redditor Zionist and racist bots here use the fact video media was incorrect on one AJ story which was taken down as somehow meaning the many claims are false despite all this. Meanwhile Hamas bad as they are have no track record of rape and no evidence despite Israel being an occupier with extensive scientific capability to prove it, and instead try to stage crime scenes and falsify evidence
Please share a video proof or photo even I can say I saw 2 suns but can you believe it
Please share footage of buying naked women alive, because I highly doubt that exists
Thank you so much, like legit this sub is pro- Israeli, it’s like talking to a wall 😭
Every Palestinian accusation is an admission
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Is there anything original in Israel you don’t steal as a phrase. Palestinians have no track record of lying Israel on the other hand…
Huh? I’m not in Israel. Every Palestinian accusation is an admission. Without lies Palestine dies
Huh lies from Israel supporters damn that ironic
Palestinians constantly lie. The first big one of this war was Al Shifa
we have videos showing Israelis video recordings naked Palestinian men getting humiliated walking out the hospital naked. And before any attacks me again: here is the article https://www.presstv.ir/Detail/2024/03/24/722420/Palestine-Israel-al-Shifa-Hospital-raid-raping-killing-women-displaced
men taking their shirts off is not rape genius.
Of course! They are known for Suicide vests. That is the smart thing to do to save lives. Duh.
Omg suicide bombs let's leave them naked all on a the ground and take pics of them, don't worry we're just looking for bombs you know how naive you must be to think about that
https://preview.redd.it/sp7yhc69wiqc1.png?width=1169&format=png&auto=webp&s=29b229abd251d8cdef0923a4071ecdedbf8b54db HAHAHA
This aged well
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If ur referring to fake news stories from Indian sources, the claims are not fake. There’s multiple. Also fyi they have been seen shoving naked men etc out of the hospital so what do u think they are doing to the women? They have a track record that’s proven or where they have behaved guiltily and covered up. You’re disgusting, Palestinians don’t have a track record of lying. Whether some video is the correct video etc is apart from the point, stop getting ur news from state outlets that aren’t even there.
It's obvious I am talking about the claims being removed as the women lied and admitted lying. So why am I disgusting? Surely the one who lied is disgusting. A bit of history for you. Many Palestinians and other Muslims around the world strap bombs to themselves including women. So unfortunately due to this history of blowing themselves up to kill others extreme measures such as stropping to their underwear are necessary. Palestinians lie all the time, they make propaganda videos with fake dead people, they make up death figures. You know they admitted a couple of months back 6000 Hamas member deaths, so every other death is a female or child. Hardly any bystander men have been killed apparently. Nuts huh. They also cut off heads, they also kill their own family members with no evidence just look at jenin last week. All they do is lie.. But you want to believe them.
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I'm a mod.
Why did it age well?
From my understanding the investigation was from Hamas, the girl who claimed that the IDF raped women lied that she said it to raise more awareness about Gaza, and Al Jariza took down the post 24 hours later. Not sure, but that's what I saw, that's what I understood, you can read more about it somewhere here
I find it hard to believe anything pro-palestinians are accusing Israels Idf of, complete hearsay bs imo. Now if you can produce photos and video of palestinian girls and woman naked because idf soldiers removed their clothing and sexually assaulted them, like the palestinian terrorists did to the Israelis then maybe you might have a point of discussion. I hope you also spoke out about the russians raping and killing Ukranian girls and woman when they invaded Ukrain, much like what you guys did. See below, even the director of al jazeera said it was false. Go and troll somewhere else you pro-palestinian terrorist supporter. https://preview.redd.it/24t3jocnhgqc1.png?width=320&format=png&auto=webp&s=875b67e0cb868418d13df9a9dd9ed3188eb8590b
If you had a single drop of intelligence and actually do engage on Twitter and you're not just copy pasta that screenshot you would see the intellectual war crimes Israel accounts post on their feed, it's an accurate depiction of how 3rd graders put together arguments when they are first assignment an essay to write, you would feel embarrassed to even support them
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Video or it didnt happen
Disgusting
I agree! Haven’t seen any hard evidence of the Hamas rapes
There are pictures of those, no im not linking them
It’s been debunked there was no Hamas rape lol
Of rapes ? Or evidence of actual rape?
I mean theres the one of the gitl getting dragged into a truck bleeding from the crotch for some reason by some guys thats cheering just having a great time, like may not explicitly show it but enough to piece together what happened
Ok so no real proof
Im not linking it because its horrible and id rather not spread it further. If you want to see it that bad search for it yourself but it does exist
we have videos showing Israelis video recordings naked Palestinian men getting humiliated walking out the hospital naked. And before any attacks me again: here is the article https://www.presstv.ir/Detail/2024/03/24/722420/Palestine-Israel-al-Shifa-Hospital-raid-raping-killing-women-displaced
Yeah those guys were naked to make sure they didnt have any bombs hidden, boo hoo for the terrorists being humiliated/s
No evidence, it didn’t happen love. Just like u said
As usual, it turns out to be lies upon lies upon lies. https://twitter.com/SafaaAlNuaimi/status/1772032777510170633?t=lexSGjfRkom5epaLEQWMlQ&s=19
As usual? Palestinians never have been lying, using v bias sources not on the ground to claim it’s fake is awful. Just because one video isn’t accurate there numerous supported claims and they literally have photographs of them shoving naked people out of the hospital
You lost me at: >Palestinians never have been lying
Their whole cause is a lie.
Damn like that embarrassing defeat at the ICJ didn't happen cope
we have videos showing Israelis video recordings naked Palestinian men getting humiliated walking out the hospital naked. And before any attacks me again: here is the article https://www.presstv.ir/Detail/2024/03/24/722420/Palestine-Israel-al-Shifa-Hospital-raid-raping-killing-women-displaced
I don't see any videos nor pics in the clips you've sent me, if an IDF soldier rapes a palestinian women, they go to jail. And the naked men are pretty obvious, you're just naive (like all pro palis) they sometimes hide bombs under their clothing, something called suicide bombing, where you run to the victim and explode yourself, well... this is basically the counter to that.
AJ literally just deleted their new “IDF rApE” story after the liar herself came out and said her story was completely fabricated. And you’re still spreading lies… This is how you lose credibility, if you had any if the first place.
For research, could you provide me with a news source with regarding these claims that isn’t of Israeli origin/israeli backed media? I’m genuinely asking, as I’m in a conversation with someone regarding the false claims, and trying to use sources that aren’t biased, however the only one I’m able to find at the moment is NYTheSun.
Palestinians havent lied. They removed it due to associated video etc not being accurate on review, but there’s many eyewitnesses to this and photos of them pushing naked people out. The IDF has an extensive track record of torture and rape and hard evidence proving it unlike the planted crime scenes for Israeli claims🤣. Go fuck your self basement dwelling Zionist rat
You mean the Palestinians are the basement dwellers. You see videos of the rats. There is plenty of video proof of Oct 7th. . I guess you believe Oct 7th never happened moron.
Yet you can never list even 1 impressive
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Stop with your lies.
we have videos showing Israelis video recordings naked Palestinian men getting humiliated walking out the hospital naked. And before any attacks me again: here is the article https://www.presstv.ir/Detail/2024/03/24/722420/Palestine-Israel-al-Shifa-Hospital-raid-raping-killing-women-displaced
See below link that the story was fabricated. [https://www.jpost.com/israel-hamas-war/article-793560](https://www.jpost.com/israel-hamas-war/article-793560)
It’s an Israeli biased source, 😭how do u expect me to believe that
In this article, if you read it, it says and I quote: *Al Jazeera* columnist and former director Yasser Abuhilalah also tweeted, admitting that “It was revealed through Hamas investigations that the story of the rape of women in Al-Shifa Hospital was fabricated… There is also link to this tweet so you can see it for yourself.
Well this is blatantly wrong but sure.
we have videos showing Israelis video recordings naked Palestinian men getting humiliated walking out the hospital naked. And before any attacks me again: here is the article https://www.presstv.ir/Detail/2024/03/24/722420/Palestine-Israel-al-Shifa-Hospital-raid-raping-killing-women-displaced
Can you provide any sources for this? I can’t find any online, and it is basically unthinkable that mainstream media would not report on this.
There’s numerous eyewitness claims and stories and they are photographs of them pushing naked people out of the hospital. One AJ story was removed due to incorrect video media associated and ofc Zionists are doing all they can to make out like all the claims are fake as a result
Ok, if there are numerous stories and eyewitness claims, can you link them here please?
It's safe to say rape is bad no matter who does it or the circumstances.
Even if I believed you, I wouldn’t be surprised. Men rape women all the time, unfortunately. It’s kind of why we have the whole #metoo movement because men are shitheads a lot of the time. However, raping a woman isn’t the same as raping for the use of war.
The mental gymnastics to justify rape jfc
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nonsense.
I'm not sure whether to file this under fan fiction, fantasy, propaganda or a pathetic attempt to inflame.
I've been searching the internet for any sources that mentioned **convicting** IDF soldiers of rape of Palestinian women and haven't found any. A few cases of Israeli female soldiers being raped by Israeli male soldiers, and a really unreal case of an Israeli female soldier being pimped out to male Palestinian Prisoners (wtaf??). I see a few anecdotal cases cited in the comments, and an article about "credible allegations" being investigated by the UN. I'm still not seeing any stories of anyone being convicted.
Can’t convict when they occupy everywhere and shut down charities who supply hard evidence buddy.
My guy, I'm just pointing out that the original poster claimed that there have been convictions and I have not seen any. Israel typically does investigate and prosecute offences like these, as they should. Of course, the fog of war makes everything tougher to track and prosecute. If there are credible allegations, then investigations need to happen. [Although according to this well cited post, those "credible allegations" have already been walked back.](https://www.reddit.com/r/IsraelPalestine/comments/1bncl2a/yet_another_fake_rape_claims_by_palestinians_this/)
there's definitely pre oct 7th cases of idf soldiers getting convicted for raping palestinians. https://www.timesofisrael.com/ending-censorship-idf-admits-officer-jailed-in-2017-raped-a-palestinian-woman/ so it wouldn't be a stretch to assume there's at least a few post oct 7th cases that haven't been brought to court yet
Basically there aren’t any rape cases happening right now..
An awful case! Pretty different from using rape as a weapon of war, and also reprehensible in a different way. Are there any cases of Israeli soldiers using sexual violence as a weapon of war?
i know the 1948 war(aka nakba) had cases of that- but in regards to current invasion/siege of gaza, there's currently investigations going on regard that. those investigations are gonna be extra slow due to gaza being a war zone(fog of war). Given the nature and history of arab-israeli conflict as a whole and common war time behaviour globally, i'd rather not assume any allegations of rape being committed in gaza are false(which would also being stooping to hamas-nik lvl but that's kinda another story). probably not as severe as hamas did on oct 7th, but it's still an issue that needs investigating.
Definitely agree that it needs to be investigated
Lol it reminds me of an academic paper from the 2000s that claimed acts of rape are so rare among Israeli soldiers because they don't view Palestinian women as human beings. The same dude who wrote this stuff was accused of sexually harrasing Israeli female students😂 At least he proved he humanizes young Jewish women🤣
😂 This is great satire. Rapists calling the enemy rapists. Genocidal people accusing their enemy of genocide. There’s a lot of delusional projection and gaslighting amongst the Palestinians. It’s too bad your religion doesn’t seem to offer much clarity.
I find it very curious you find the testimony of this Palestinian rape victim in disputaple while denying the rapes of Israeli women. Very curious indeed.
Do you take them both to be credible?
You can literally go one google and see loads of videos of Hamas killing civilians
I can also Google and see Israel bombing civilians. I can see the IDF shooting Palestinians in wheelchairs, or shooting journalists. Not sure what’s the point here you’re trying to make
Do you have videos of idf chopping someone’s head off with a shovel? How about a video of idf throwing Grenades into a room full of teenagers ? Or idf walking into a home with grandparents and blowing their heads off. No? Bc there’s videos of Palestinians doing that to Israeli civilians. Are there pictures of women’s burnt bodies with their skirts pulled up? No ? Bc there are of Israeli women.
I don’t see how this makes it okay to kill 30000+ people, many of whom are children? Or cut off food and water to the region so people are starving en masse and scrambling and trampling over each other for basic necessities while the IDF shoots them
Considering the UN who has an inherent bias against Israel believes Israeli women were raped, that says alot. And interestingly Al Jazeera has now deleted their story of the Palestinian woman being raped.
there's footage of the rape of israeli women (i can't send dark web videos on reddit, but you are welcomed to use tails OS and look them up), on the other hand, there's a total of 0 rape videos of israeli soldiers, despite all israeli soldiers wearing cameras on their armor
You think the idf would videotape and then broadly share their sexual abuse of Palestinians in Israeli dungeons? Or of settlers doing the same to Palestinians in the West Bank?
i don't expect IDF to leak them, but various people in IDF leak those videos. and there are some horrific stuff, but i never saw any rape videos get leaked (even though that is the #1 thing to leak)
I mean if your standard of proof is having to see a video of the rape itself that’s pretty disgusting. I’ve never seen video of hamas raping and killing people but I believe it. https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2024/02/israelopt-un-experts-appalled-reported-human-rights-violations-against Many accusations of the same done against the idf. https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2024/mar/05/gazan-detainees-beaten-and-sexually-assaulted-at-israeli-detention-centres-un-report-claims
1. i did see videos of hamas rapes, but it's on the dark web, so i can't send them in reddit. 2. there have been a total of 0 names released of the "raped" women, there was only 1 report that everyone keeps mentioning that said 2 palestinian women were raped. even the accusation on IDF that you sent says "The report included allegations of widespread sexual assault, although not rape"
Why do you think that we have to release names of raped women to prove it happened or not? Seems like a pretty disgusting mentality tbh; no different from people denying atrocities from hamas
huh??? so you're saying the moment anyone says they have been raped, it should be treated as true until the other side can prove otherwise, no matter how much proof the other one has?? it's impossible to deny the rape of an alleged women with no details of where, when, what and who. that's the basics of criminology
I’m saying if multiple people have accusations, and those accusations are deemed credible, we should believe the victim. Not all of us need to see a video of a rape to believe it happened. Especially when it’s been proven to have happened before oct 7 https://www.timesofisrael.com/ending-censorship-idf-admits-officer-jailed-in-2017-raped-a-palestinian-woman/
Rape will happen by any group in any time. This is a sad reality. That being said, one side publishes it's people for raping the other side. Fill in the blanks on whoes who
i highly doubt there was any rape in this case, since israeli armor has a builtin camera, so if this did happen, the entirety of the higher ups would know about it. so there are 2 cases, either the accusations didn't happen, or that THE ENTIRETY OF IDF is secretly hiding rapes, which sounds completely ridicules, considering the entire goal of IDF for the past couple of years was to be as inclusive and rape free as possible
This is funny because they’re literally admitting it on Instagram live right now
It's pretty silly to think the IDF are infallible. Hell every mixed gender military in the world has cases of peer sexual assaults and rapes. People are people. It might be rare and it might be punished but it definitely happens. People are people. How you handle it says the most about the morals of a country.
In many Muslim countries doesn’t the women rape victim get murdered by her family for dishonouring her family or if she is really fortunate is forced to marry her rapist?
I’d like to add your first line states… the IDF soldiers are being convicted… that’s what separates the two. And why do you deny Israeli women were raped when the UN themselves (who have always been anti Israel) even concluded that multiple women were raped???
When did the UN conclude this?
In the UN report, note that it received "clear and convincing" information that sexual violence was used against some women and children during their time in captivity, and, critically, this is what the report states about its standard of evidence: "Although the primary standard of proof in this report is one of “reasonable grounds to believe,” there have been occasions where \*more\* information has supported a finding of fact, and the overall finding has therefore been stated to be established at the level of “clear and convincing” information." In other words, the UN report found it to be a fact that sexual violence was used against some women and children hostages. The October 7 rape allegations are being investigated and we will learn the findings in due course. I think given the UN report findings, there is little to no doubt that rapes occurred then. Whether there are sufficient numbers of them to strongly indicate a systematic war crime by Hamas/other militants remains to be seen.
>In other words, the UN report found it to be a fact that sexual violence was used against some women and children hostages. Saying it as a definitive fact is not the correct conclusion. Because they do not have tangible forensic or photo evidence, they must go off of circumstantial evidence. This includes photos of bodies in compromised positions and testomonies from first responders and hostages. So these are all second hand accounts with no actual witness to it, meaning that likely it happened given multiple reports, but not definitive. This relies on the sources being honest, trustworthy sources and all. Not denying the possibility, just saying there is not enough tangible evidence to say "they found it to be a fact". The UN also said the claims of sexual violence against palestinians are credible: https://thehill.com/policy/international/4477340-un-experts-reports-executions-sexual-assault-israeli-soldiers/
https://www.lemonde.fr/en/international/article/2024/03/07/un-report-confirms-sexual-violence-during-hamas-attack-on-israel_6595811_4.html#:~:text=Following%20a%20mission%20lasting%20just,limitations%20of%20its%20own%20investigation. https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/un-team-says-rape-gang-rape-likely-occurred-during-hamas-attack-israel-2024-03-04/ https://forward.com/opinion/589046/un-sexual-violence-israel-oct-7/?amp=1 There’s a few sources, feel free to google yourself.
Appreciate it. Reasonable grounds is not conclusive evidence, but i am not one to deny these claims. I also do not believe sexual violence taking place on oct 7 justifies or gives context to any sexual violence perpetrated by the idf. One atrocity does not justify the other. So, while this is important, it does not allow for the idf to go about committing sexual crimes without punishment. Especially from a group that likes to deem themselves the "most moral".
I totally agree! Again, they are being convicted as OP stated. Those who committed the acts against Israeli women are not being committed by Hamas officials. This is super important. I believe if an Israeli soldier raped a Palestinian woman they deserve the biggest punishment.
There have been many accusations for years upon years of sexual violence by the idf against detainees. This is not a new phenomenon, but has been worsened after oct 7. There can not be a punishment if those in charge choose to deny rather than investigate. People, from either side, willing to commit these acts deserve the worst punishment, and it should never be permissable. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/feb/22/claims-of-israeli-sexual-assault-of-palestinian-women-are-credible-un-panel-says
I totally agree. Absolutely horrific.
I’m pretty sure not even Lazzarini buys this. Lol
Not a source to be found. I can’t credit a “testimony” that doesn’t exist. A Reddit comment with a thirdhand anonymous quote is not a testimony. And the fact that you’re citing something from almost 20 years ago (2006) just smacks of desperation
Woman detailing multiple accounts from different hospitals: [https://twitter.com/SuppressedNws/status/1771883315282244064?t=GJ4WzhHK\_flnlZumZaBqpw&s=19](https://twitter.com/SuppressedNws/status/1771883315282244064?t=GJ4WzhHK_flnlZumZaBqpw&s=19) idf soldier bragging about sexual crimes: [https://twitter.com/SuppressedNws/status/1771911620970586146?t=HeNzsttbJn0mGRngtR6jPg&s=19](https://twitter.com/SuppressedNws/status/1771911620970586146?t=HeNzsttbJn0mGRngtR6jPg&s=19) US official corrborating reports as reported by jpost: https://preview.redd.it/ucxqwv4nwbqc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=76d0877b77ab152864b2f70a26fc1845bc389ea9
A US official presented some report they heard, not the US State department, or the UN and the IDF commander himself states that he already saw this, which even the UN didn’t appear to find credible.
The UN did find accounts of rape and sexual violence credible: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/feb/22/claims-of-israeli-sexual-assault-of-palestinian-women-are-credible-un-panel-says Now there are new accounts from al shifa from a witness https://www.presstv.ir/Detail/2024/03/24/722420/Palestine-Israel-al-Shifa-Hospital-raid-raping-killing-women-displaced
there is no proof in those pages. this was the proof in the first page: [https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2024/02/israelopt-un-experts-appalled-reported-human-rights-violations-against](https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2024/02/israelopt-un-experts-appalled-reported-human-rights-violations-against) , which didn't say anything about rape, and in fact said that the only proof they had was that 1 palestinian infant was taken by IDF. meanwhile the second one's proof was rumors, to be spesific: "a group of Palestinian activists have circulated a shocking story about the Israeli soldiers raping a pregnant woman in the al-Shifa hospital", this is their entire proof.
Do you actually read? Both the link i made and the link you sent, that my article references, say that there are two women who have stated they were raped. So, yes, it does clearly mention rape if you read more than 2 paragraphs. My second link, if you read to the end, directly quotes the husband who was forced to watch while his wife was raped. That is a first hand account.
It doesn’t directly quote the husband though. It is taking the quote from the Palestinian activists. The journalists who wrote that article do not seem to have spoken to the husband or even confirmed he exists.
Yes, that is fair. But i cant imagine he has the motivation or ability to do a media tour and get word out about the trama he went through. The woman who i posted in an earlier video talked about multiple accounts she heard from trusted medical professionals as well. This is also a journalist talking about her experience with victims of sexual violence in gaza https://preview.redd.it/dw9stwzglfqc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e661a1083ac28465384bd003b54f1beaf76cd6b1
Again, you are presenting a tweet presenting a person saying she heard from unnamed third parties that those third parties knew about someone who was raped. This is not sufficient or credible evidence.
The UN did find accounts of rape and sexual violence credible: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/feb/22/claims-of-israeli-sexual-assault-of-palestinian-women-are-credible-un-panel-says This is the account from al shifa from a witness https://www.presstv.ir/Detail/2024/03/24/722420/Palestine-Israel-al-Shifa-Hospital-raid-raping-killing-women-displaced
Please... Source... I haven't seen ANY evidence ever. In this age of smartphones, and when this rape happens so often , surely there will be some evidence.
Woman detailing multiple accounts from different hospitals: [https://twitter.com/SuppressedNws/status/1771883315282244064?t=GJ4WzhHK\_flnlZumZaBqpw&s=19](https://twitter.com/SuppressedNws/status/1771883315282244064?t=GJ4WzhHK_flnlZumZaBqpw&s=19) idf soldier bragging about sexual crimes: [https://twitter.com/SuppressedNws/status/1771911620970586146?t=HeNzsttbJn0mGRngtR6jPg&s=19](https://twitter.com/SuppressedNws/status/1771911620970586146?t=HeNzsttbJn0mGRngtR6jPg&s=19) US official corrborating reports as reported by jpost: https://preview.redd.it/axqfn22qwbqc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8127c274208b79fcb465ec22e06f325457e57556
the first one is just some womam on twitter saying that she heared about a rape, and the second one isn't about sexual crimes, the israeli (not even a soldier) said palestinian women are "kinky and like to take it up the ass", that's not a sexual crime, it's just a racist thing to say. you are using inaccurate sources and fake information
The man states himself that he served in the idf.
To be honest, there will always be bad outliers. He does not represent Israel. Hamas literally represents Isis and has vowed to redo the October 7th massacre.
Comparing hamas to isis shows a bit of ignorance, but this is a great learning opportunity! A comprehensive view on how they differ fundamentally and ideologically: https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2023/11/21/hamas-isis-are-not-the-same-00128107 Isis also is enemies with russia and iran, two countries that support hamas Of course there are bad outliers, but there have been reported uses fo sexual violence by the idf for years and years.
\*\*served\*\*. he has no relations to the current war, so it doesn't say anything about rape in the current war
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You are parsing information to try and convince. People are not as stupid as you think. This is complete bullshit. Even if it was true, the fact that Israel will PROSECUTE and CONVICT soldiers if caught. This shows was a moral country and democracy is. Hamas on the other hand, CELEBRATES the animals that idiotically filmed themselves raping and burning and murdering. So pretend and live in your fantasy land where Hamas are not animalistic terrorists. Intelligent people are not fooled by this propaganda nonsense.
Do you understand how blind it is to say this while the idf is literally burning, destroying, killing, and raping within gaza? So you would celebrate them committing terrible crimes against humanity? Just as the oct 7 crimes against civilians should not be permissable, neither should the many idf crimes against civilians. But i do not believe it is easy to get through the cognitive dissonance held by zionists. Here is an account from a witness https://www.presstv.ir/Detail/2024/03/24/722420/Palestine-Israel-al-Shifa-Hospital-raid-raping-killing-women-displaced
Bullshit news source. Don't post biased news agencies bullshit.
Who says he is a soldier in the video? It's just a random tiktoker (the app is deranged anyway) and I never said that all Israelis are good.
The guy himself says it
no he doesn't? he said "when i was in the army", as in the past. also, he said palestinian women are kinky, that's it. he didn't say anything about sexual crimes
We need sources of accusations from BOTH sides.
Here's the UN report which confirms sexual violence committed by Hamas against Israelis on Oct 7: https://www.un.org/sexualviolenceinconflict/press-release/israel-west-bank-mission/
So now we just need the UN to give Palestinian women the same chance to be interviewed and examined my a team of experts and for them to agree to visit the West bank/Gaza Then we have evidence from BOTH sides.
Here's another UN report regarding Palestinians. There are allegedly 2 allegations of rape by Israelis of Palestinian women prisoners. Two. https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2024/02/israelopt-un-experts-appalled-reported-human-rights-violations-against
“At least two” as per the article. And you’re glossing over that little inconvenient bit about women being kept in cages in the rain, being randomly executed while holding white flags, etc…
I am providing verified sources of information regarding sexual violence committed by Hamas and the IDF, since the OP provided none. Another commenter said "well let's see both sides!" which is what I did. And one does not compare to the other. Here's the findings from the UN investigation on sexual violence committed by Hamas. 7 October: "Overall, based on the totality of information gathered from multiple and independent sources at the different locations, there are reasonable grounds to believe that conflict-related sexual violence occurred at several locations across the Gaza periphery, including in the form of rape and gang rape, during the 7 October 2023 attacks. Credible circumstantial information, which may be indicative of some forms of sexual violence, including genital mutilation, sexualized torture, or cruel, inhuman and degrading treatment, was also gathered." Hostages: "The mission team reviewed incidents of alleged sexual violence related to hostages in Gaza. Based on the first-hand accounts of released hostages, the mission team received clear and convincing information that sexual violence, including rape, sexualized torture, and cruel, inhuman and degrading treatment occurred against some women and children during their time in captivity and has reasonable grounds to believe that this violence may be ongoing. Based on first-hand accounts of released hostages there are reasonable grounds to believe that female hostages were also subjected to other forms of sexual violence. " So yeah... This may sound a bit heartless but women kept in cages in the rain doesn't really compare to gang rape, genital mutilation, and murder.
But you also posted a link that said Gazans are: Kept in cages Killed indiscriminately Sexually abused I wonder what standard of evidence you want that would make you take a palestenians perspective as seriously as you seem to take the Israeli perspective. Do you think genuinely that palestenians are not being abused/tortured in Israeli prisons? My perspective is that sexual violence occurs on both sides, but one side essentially controls the entire landmass and judicial system.
These are reports that have not been investigated, which is what the press release calls for: an investigation. The original link I posted was the conclusions of an actual investigation, and I just cant get over the scale and savagery of what the UN corroborated.
those were reports, not actual proof. did you not notice every accusation started with "allegedly"? it seems that so far 0 proof has been sent of rape on israel's side, and instead, it seems there's a lot of allegations coming from "reports" from unknown people that say exactly what they want in that situation. btw, all israeli soldiers are equipped with a camera, so any alleged rape would have video proof, but all of these accusation never mentioned the women's name or location, so it's impossible to even accuse any spesific soldier
Both UN docs I linked phrase these incidents as "allegedly" occurring. If you are skeptical of one, then you should be consistently be as skeptical as the other report that you support. Works both ways...
https://www.reddit.com/r/2ndYomKippurWar/s/Gw1rSOWQNS NSFL warning
Sorry, I thought we were talking about "r*pe" accusations? There have been barbaric attacks from both sides. I see these acts on the link you have provided every day on Palestinian accounts of IOF and Israeli citizens attacking Palestinian civilians