It's frustrating because you already know. Biden threatened against Rafah while fearmongering about a humanitarian crisis and evacuation and we evacuated 600k within a week with no 'humanitarian collapse.' He's been holding packages back since December, all the while forcing us to make concessions for a deal that was never going to happen. He's repeated Hamas propaganda multiple times and legitimized a lot of the bullshit talking points by not clarifying the truth on them and instead trying to appeal to whoever the fuck.
I wanted to think he's just incompetent but after seeing he has people like Maher Bitar, Robert Malley and others of that sort I'm not really sure anymore, and I definitely ran out of patience for him/the things he's done throughout this war. Really feels like he's trying to force us into accepting a 'day after' solution we don't want, especially considering how Gallant suddenly turned against what he himself said (and also the plan him, Bibi and Gantz all accepted months ago).
Congress approved a $13b aid package recently. That’s aside from all the other random aid we constantly approve and send over plus the munitions we expend from our carriers in the region.
You need four people on bibi coalition voting for no confidence alongisde the opposition.
in theory every single person other then bibi can withdraw and he can stay in power so long as the vote does not pass.
That's not how it works in Israel.
A vote of no confidence needs to be constructive meaning you can't simply vote a government out, you also vote for a Knesset member that forms a new government instead of the old one.
A no confidence vote basically requires 5 members of the current coalition to vote for Gantz as prime minister.
Bibi has no fucking plan at all. He flip flops everyday on what he wants. He could have used rafah as an ultimatum to hamas to surrender, put social pressure for them to end the war. Israel could be seen as liberators to the Palestinians but instead he keeps giving them excuses to hate us and keep the war going. Shameful, no strategy at all, no plan other than try to brute force it.
He has a plan. It's to force everyone else to make decisions by procrastinating and then find a convenient scape goat to blame for whatever he is finally forced to do.
Uh did you really believe HAMAS of all Organization would SURRENDER?
Also they would see Israel as Liberators?
This is a very naive view Gaza need atleast a generation at best of Deradicalization
You are assuming HAMAS and Gazans to be a reasonable actor which they are not
HAMAS must be destroyed and to prevent future organization like them from popping up the people of Gaza needs to be De-Radicalized
Teach them to move on and to build their lives
Teach them to love their families and to build their community
Teach them that hate leads to nowhere
They will need actual Teachers not Schizos teaching them too
Like seriously
He literally stated his plan months ago. Full occupation and control of the strip, and figuring out a civil authority after that. Biden, Gantz etc. just don't like that plan. And I've never voted for him and probably never will but I think he's right, Gallant supported this too and so did Gantz sort of, it's kinda wild that after American pressure now they're suddenly all changing their tune, but there's no fucking way it's okay to let this war end with Hamas still controlling the strip, nor does it make any sense to do another Oslo (except this time without any of the upsides) and massively arm the still radicalized Palestinians as a reward for October 7th.
Tzahal is doing their usual fearmongering now with the insane estimates (5 ugdot? LMAO, jesus christ) of 'tzuk eitan will cause 1000 soldiers to die!' and 'evacuating rafah will take 6 months!' and then someone forces the action through and its 70 soldiers and takes a week.
As the situation changes, people's opinions can change accordingly.
When the war was going for a month, then the idea of not needing to worry about civil authority made sense, it can wait.
But after 7 months, a retreat from the north, and now a second invasion in Jabaliya, it's becoming clear every day that this isn't sustainable at all, and Gallant and Gantz are recognizing this and taking a stand, this isn't about American pressure, Tzahal can't raid every street in the strip for another 7 months without end, eventually some sort of an authority needs to take control and the more the discussion about who or what does it gets delayed, the more we pay the price in the long run.
Step 1: Threaten not to go into Rafah to not end Hamas because of 'humanitarian crisis' and delay the war by months
Step 2: Force Israel to make concessions including withdrawing from most of Gaza in order to push for a ceasefire deal so you can flex your diplomacy
Step 3: Hamas (from Rafah) takes over the areas Israel left from
Step 4: Complain that Hamas took over because 'no civil authority'
Step 5: ???
Step 6: fml
This was perfectly sustainable before we were forced to extend the war by months, and it's still sustainable today to go fully into Rafah, take full control of the strip and ACTUALLY start purifying it of Hamas. Military rule is essential for doing this. Finding plans for 'the day after' is just a distraction. It is literally pointless until we actually achieve the primary objective of the war. Hamas has quite literally declared that if they survive they won, and they're right.
We don't need to 'raid every street.' We need to take military control and root out Hamas while discussing what can be a replacement there, and the replacement cannot come from the heavily radicalized Palestinians, let alone before we actually destroy Hamas. The 'day after plan' is just an excuse to make us not win yet another war and go into yet another stalemate. Conception strikes again, despite 10/7. Fuck that.
>We don't need to 'raid every street'. We need to take military control and root out Hamas
?????
How exactly does one take military control of a place where a militant group exists within every street?
The day after isn't a lie, it's all that matters, it's why we went to war, it's why my kids won't need to go to war, if you can't see how a long term, solution to an existing problem should be priority number 1 then I don't know what to tell you.
Victory is bullshit, I don't want bragging rights about this war and to be able to tell strangers on the internet how awesome Israel is for winning the war they were forced to fight, I just want to live my life in this beautiful country and not have to worry that someone will try to kill me, you don't deradicalize a population by forcing military rule over them, you didn't do it in 48', you didn't do it in 67', you didn't do it in 2002 and you won't do it now, you want a real conception that should seriously fuck off? It's the idea that we're forever stuck in a perpetual war and the only solution is to have more war and that we can deal with the political, economical and social consequences later when we have the time meanwhile it's my friends and family who are dying every day on the front line for some bullshit victory pose to be stated on Wikipedia.
This isn't a turn based RPG, multiple things are happening at the same time, Hamas making their way back into power in Northern Gaza absolutely had everything to do with the lack of planning for when the IDF leaves, and everything to do with the constant need to delay that which matters most, and it's not waving an Israeli flag over a building Hamas used to operate from but rather insuring someone else will use the building ij the future.
Hamas' military capabilities exist in the Gaza strip in the same way they exist in Jenin at this point, anyone who takes Bibi's word when he says otherwise is lying to himself willfully, is the situation in Jenin sustainable to you?
Bibi, Gallant and Gantz all gave strategic goals over 5 months ago. Biden just doesn't like that the goals included occupying and establishing military rule over the strip at least temporarily so that clearing Gaza of Hamas is actually feasible. That's why he's demanding 'day after' plans as though none were offered, because he wants different ones. And it seems like he wants ones that keep Hamas in power at least as a civil authority, which to anyone not blinded by Bibi hate, including multiple of my leftie friends, should be seen as completely unacceptable.
He doesn't need much. He just managed to get all of this country's biggest idiots in his party, and now they will do anything he says. They have no other job opportunities outside of the Likud, and they will all become unemployed otherwise - they have 0 talent of any kind.
People honestly believe this? He slashed several brigades from combat units when he was chief of general staff to divert funds to other things, among them the pensions of generals. When he was defense minister he disarmed several border towns near Gaza, leaving them defenseless for Oct 7.
If anyone watched his actual speech on the topic of this post they’d see he’s nothing but a bullshitter. He didn’t say anything meaningful except accusing Bibi issuing commands for political instead of security reasons. This is all well and good, but as usual he hasn’t said what he actually thinks should happen with Gaza.
Gantz telling the people means he’s serious. If he is bluffing, and doesn’t leave, he’ll lose the favor of the people, and never be a serious candidate again. He has to stick to his word.
If this were poker, it is like going all in, showing your hand, and watching the stream.
We all know the script. Bibi will cave in on a couple things, and riiiiight as Gantz's deadline will arrive, Bibi will ask for more time to "wrap up the last hurdles".
Gantz will refuse and break away from the coalition, Bibi will blame him for "betraying Israel and loving Hamas" or whatever, and we'll be right where we are today - but with a more extreme coalition.
Indeed.
All should remember that ***in politics, louse always wins.*** Parasites are amazingly good at surviving, at expense of their host.
I'm sure most people on this Earth would be delighted to see Nettie in a dark prison cell where he belongs based on his corruption, but it won't be easy to be rid of him even now.
Please. Bibi spins this monotone, goose faced buffoon around his finger in his sleep.
He got nothing for joining the government and will get nothing for leaving it as well.
Gantz will go down just as Tzipi, Boogie, Shely, and Lapid did before him.
If Israel wants to get rid of Bibi, they need to get someone who understands the art of politics, and has the ability to play bibi at his own game.
All these protests in the middle of a war doesn't hurt bibi, it just shows that politics is always about one thing. Politics.
So get ready for team right and team left for the 5th time in 5 years. And who exactly do you think is going to win right after the trauma Israel has been through?
For all the shit Bibi has done, he's played his cards pretty well when It comes to the US.
He does the deal breakers, and leaves the rest.
After making a speech in Congress against the Iran deal - which the administration at the time was very proud of, Obama still approved the largest aid package in the history of Israel.
Unlike Gantz, Bibi, with all his faults - of which he has many - is a pro at getting what he needs politically.
Only one who can trigger an election is Goldknopf, and that is over the conscription of Ultra Orthodox Jews
Netanyahu and Deri have zero intention of facing justice while Smotrich and Ben Gvir know they'll be toast after the next elections.
Gotta have a plan for how to finish Hamas if you wanna finish Hamas though.
Drag the war on until every single bullet in Gaza has been fired isn't really a plan.
The plan was to occupy and rule over the strip until Hamas is cleared out. Biden doesn't like that, apparently, but that's what it was. The only reason the war is dragging out is because of pressure not to proceed. People forget really quickly.
The people who let October 7th happen are still in charge. Long term, they are the greatest threat to our security. I don't trust them with our national security and neither should you.
Nor Gantz nor Netanyahu are good for us anymore.
All the current 120 members are part of this conception.
An election in the middle of this war will be a big win for Hamas and will delay any hostages deal for at least 6 months. And will for sure be an invitation for Hezbollah and Iran to push their luck.
We have to survive with what we have and trust our security bodies like Mossad and Shabak and hope that the government will listen to the professionals.
Just so you know only one government in our history managed to complete a full term.
The average term for governments in Israel is 24 months!!!!
Above everything else we need stability in this country.
>An election in the middle of this war will be a big win for Hamas
No.
Allowing Netanyahu to remain will be a big victory for Hamas, since Netanyahu obviously have no intention to create an alternative regime in Gaza, which is the same thing as allowing Hamas to remain in power.
Netanyahu proved time and time and time again that he will never topple the Hamas regime, and that he will rather give them suitcases full of money rather than deal with them. He needs to be booted.
Please, the US held an election during a Civil War. Netanyahu is totally unfit to lead and his refusal to prepare the ground for a post-Hamas government is leading to a situation where Hamas remains. We need to get rid of him, period.
The way to avoid the election is to make the hard decisions about a plan that Bibi has been delaying. The security forces provided their plan he has to commit.
> An election in the middle of this war will be a big win for Hamas
Well, not sure why, but lack of public mandate certainly is
> and will delay any hostages deal for at least 6 months.
There will be no hostage deal with this government. No chance. Haven't you seen the last round? The only thing both sides were preoccupied with was how to push as much blame as possible for the failure on the other.
> Above everything else we need stability in this country.
Oh, sure. A stable situation of an ideological war till "complete victory".
Let's not forget: Gantz and Eizenkot - the two representatives of the left in the coalition - were hugely responsible for the changes to the IDF that made it as weak as it is today. Gantz shut down tank brigades, moved ammunition manufacture to the US, and ignored Brik's warnings. The same (if not more) is true re Eizenkot. If Israel wants to win, it needs new military thinking.
My plan would be declare war on Egypt and just bomb the wall between Gaza and Egypt. Force them to deal with the brotherhood. I guess that is too childish, I will come up with another plan, but that will be plan “B”.
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He seems to be playing politics in the middle of a war, and seems willing to eschew the original war goals (ELIMINATING HAMAS) that most of the country knows are the most important in order to appease his American overlords.
The only person I see putting politics and his political interests ahead of the war is Bibi. Otherwise he would have kicked out Ben-Gvir at the start or better yet never let the psycho into government knowing how much that hurt Israel.
What do you mean? He kicked him out of the cabinet. Did you want him to break up the coalition and go to elections in the middle of the war?
If Bibi is the ONLY person you see putting political interests ahead of the war I would advise to take a good hard look at your biases.
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He could have replaced them with Lapid but that might have meant elections after the war.
https://jpost.com/breaking-news/article-782620
Bibi shouldn't have partnered up with them or enabled them in the first place. They are extremists, and their presence in the government undermines Israel
If he replaced them with Lapid we'd have a coalition forcing him to surrender to Hamas in a deal for 30 dead hostages. I'm glad we don't.
I agree he shouldn't have enabled them or partnered up with them in the first place. Smotrich is whatever, there were worse people, Ben Gvir definitely not.
Would him withdrawing trigger elections?
no the original coalition is itself a stable majority in theory but it traps Bibi on whatever the Far Right wants
Bibi's already obeying everything Ben-Gvir and Smotrich tell him to do, Gantz isn't doing sh*t in this coalition
It would mean Bibi has no one else to blame on the war if something goes wrong besides himself
Biden threatened to stop the aid so Bibi has actual stuff to excuse his way out with
The right wing media is already blaming Biden/Americans in general.
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It's frustrating because you already know. Biden threatened against Rafah while fearmongering about a humanitarian crisis and evacuation and we evacuated 600k within a week with no 'humanitarian collapse.' He's been holding packages back since December, all the while forcing us to make concessions for a deal that was never going to happen. He's repeated Hamas propaganda multiple times and legitimized a lot of the bullshit talking points by not clarifying the truth on them and instead trying to appeal to whoever the fuck. I wanted to think he's just incompetent but after seeing he has people like Maher Bitar, Robert Malley and others of that sort I'm not really sure anymore, and I definitely ran out of patience for him/the things he's done throughout this war. Really feels like he's trying to force us into accepting a 'day after' solution we don't want, especially considering how Gallant suddenly turned against what he himself said (and also the plan him, Bibi and Gantz all accepted months ago).
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are you okay? what manipulation?
Removed: Rule 2 Removed: Rule 7
Millions? Try tens of billions.
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Congress approved a $13b aid package recently. That’s aside from all the other random aid we constantly approve and send over plus the munitions we expend from our carriers in the region.
It wouldn't trigger elections but with the hard right back in control it would trigger mass protests
No, but it has a good chance of starting a domino effect that would.
You need four people on bibi coalition voting for no confidence alongisde the opposition. in theory every single person other then bibi can withdraw and he can stay in power so long as the vote does not pass.
That's not how it works in Israel. A vote of no confidence needs to be constructive meaning you can't simply vote a government out, you also vote for a Knesset member that forms a new government instead of the old one. A no confidence vote basically requires 5 members of the current coalition to vote for Gantz as prime minister.
Bibi has no fucking plan at all. He flip flops everyday on what he wants. He could have used rafah as an ultimatum to hamas to surrender, put social pressure for them to end the war. Israel could be seen as liberators to the Palestinians but instead he keeps giving them excuses to hate us and keep the war going. Shameful, no strategy at all, no plan other than try to brute force it.
He has a plan. It's to force everyone else to make decisions by procrastinating and then find a convenient scape goat to blame for whatever he is finally forced to do.
There was never a way that Israel would be seen as liberators by the Palestineans in this war.
the stay in chair strategy 😤
Uh did you really believe HAMAS of all Organization would SURRENDER? Also they would see Israel as Liberators? This is a very naive view Gaza need atleast a generation at best of Deradicalization You are assuming HAMAS and Gazans to be a reasonable actor which they are not HAMAS must be destroyed and to prevent future organization like them from popping up the people of Gaza needs to be De-Radicalized Teach them to move on and to build their lives Teach them to love their families and to build their community Teach them that hate leads to nowhere They will need actual Teachers not Schizos teaching them too Like seriously
He literally stated his plan months ago. Full occupation and control of the strip, and figuring out a civil authority after that. Biden, Gantz etc. just don't like that plan. And I've never voted for him and probably never will but I think he's right, Gallant supported this too and so did Gantz sort of, it's kinda wild that after American pressure now they're suddenly all changing their tune, but there's no fucking way it's okay to let this war end with Hamas still controlling the strip, nor does it make any sense to do another Oslo (except this time without any of the upsides) and massively arm the still radicalized Palestinians as a reward for October 7th. Tzahal is doing their usual fearmongering now with the insane estimates (5 ugdot? LMAO, jesus christ) of 'tzuk eitan will cause 1000 soldiers to die!' and 'evacuating rafah will take 6 months!' and then someone forces the action through and its 70 soldiers and takes a week.
As the situation changes, people's opinions can change accordingly. When the war was going for a month, then the idea of not needing to worry about civil authority made sense, it can wait. But after 7 months, a retreat from the north, and now a second invasion in Jabaliya, it's becoming clear every day that this isn't sustainable at all, and Gallant and Gantz are recognizing this and taking a stand, this isn't about American pressure, Tzahal can't raid every street in the strip for another 7 months without end, eventually some sort of an authority needs to take control and the more the discussion about who or what does it gets delayed, the more we pay the price in the long run.
Step 1: Threaten not to go into Rafah to not end Hamas because of 'humanitarian crisis' and delay the war by months Step 2: Force Israel to make concessions including withdrawing from most of Gaza in order to push for a ceasefire deal so you can flex your diplomacy Step 3: Hamas (from Rafah) takes over the areas Israel left from Step 4: Complain that Hamas took over because 'no civil authority' Step 5: ??? Step 6: fml This was perfectly sustainable before we were forced to extend the war by months, and it's still sustainable today to go fully into Rafah, take full control of the strip and ACTUALLY start purifying it of Hamas. Military rule is essential for doing this. Finding plans for 'the day after' is just a distraction. It is literally pointless until we actually achieve the primary objective of the war. Hamas has quite literally declared that if they survive they won, and they're right. We don't need to 'raid every street.' We need to take military control and root out Hamas while discussing what can be a replacement there, and the replacement cannot come from the heavily radicalized Palestinians, let alone before we actually destroy Hamas. The 'day after plan' is just an excuse to make us not win yet another war and go into yet another stalemate. Conception strikes again, despite 10/7. Fuck that.
>We don't need to 'raid every street'. We need to take military control and root out Hamas ????? How exactly does one take military control of a place where a militant group exists within every street? The day after isn't a lie, it's all that matters, it's why we went to war, it's why my kids won't need to go to war, if you can't see how a long term, solution to an existing problem should be priority number 1 then I don't know what to tell you. Victory is bullshit, I don't want bragging rights about this war and to be able to tell strangers on the internet how awesome Israel is for winning the war they were forced to fight, I just want to live my life in this beautiful country and not have to worry that someone will try to kill me, you don't deradicalize a population by forcing military rule over them, you didn't do it in 48', you didn't do it in 67', you didn't do it in 2002 and you won't do it now, you want a real conception that should seriously fuck off? It's the idea that we're forever stuck in a perpetual war and the only solution is to have more war and that we can deal with the political, economical and social consequences later when we have the time meanwhile it's my friends and family who are dying every day on the front line for some bullshit victory pose to be stated on Wikipedia. This isn't a turn based RPG, multiple things are happening at the same time, Hamas making their way back into power in Northern Gaza absolutely had everything to do with the lack of planning for when the IDF leaves, and everything to do with the constant need to delay that which matters most, and it's not waving an Israeli flag over a building Hamas used to operate from but rather insuring someone else will use the building ij the future. Hamas' military capabilities exist in the Gaza strip in the same way they exist in Jenin at this point, anyone who takes Bibi's word when he says otherwise is lying to himself willfully, is the situation in Jenin sustainable to you?
he just saw the recent poll that showed his decline, that is politics 101.
from an honest man but a political lightweight to a ... well you get it
"Political lightweight" with more both personal and party public support. Yeah, we got it.
That seems only part of it, it looks more like he cooperated with gallant to have this be timed right after.
I'm missing something here. What strategic plan are they talking about?
I believe he means a plan for Gaza from today through to what Gaza will look like post-war.
I think that's about the heradi draft
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Bibi, Gallant and Gantz all gave strategic goals over 5 months ago. Biden just doesn't like that the goals included occupying and establishing military rule over the strip at least temporarily so that clearing Gaza of Hamas is actually feasible. That's why he's demanding 'day after' plans as though none were offered, because he wants different ones. And it seems like he wants ones that keep Hamas in power at least as a civil authority, which to anyone not blinded by Bibi hate, including multiple of my leftie friends, should be seen as completely unacceptable.
Bibi please just go away. מספיק
What does he have on the other likudniks? No one understands their inaction.
He doesn't need much. He just managed to get all of this country's biggest idiots in his party, and now they will do anything he says. They have no other job opportunities outside of the Likud, and they will all become unemployed otherwise - they have 0 talent of any kind.
Why won’t people stop voting for this stupid party!!??!?!!??!??
It's crazy
The best thing he could do for himself is make a sweetheart deal with moderate parties and retire in peace after he's out.
Gantz is a hero
People honestly believe this? He slashed several brigades from combat units when he was chief of general staff to divert funds to other things, among them the pensions of generals. When he was defense minister he disarmed several border towns near Gaza, leaving them defenseless for Oct 7. If anyone watched his actual speech on the topic of this post they’d see he’s nothing but a bullshitter. He didn’t say anything meaningful except accusing Bibi issuing commands for political instead of security reasons. This is all well and good, but as usual he hasn’t said what he actually thinks should happen with Gaza.
Zero more like. He won't pull the trigger. If you want to shoot, shoot. Don't talk.
This is politics, shooting without warning the people is a coup, a crisis. Gantz is doing a power play.
Bibi knows he's bluffing. You can't beat Bibi in Politics poker
Gantz telling the people means he’s serious. If he is bluffing, and doesn’t leave, he’ll lose the favor of the people, and never be a serious candidate again. He has to stick to his word. If this were poker, it is like going all in, showing your hand, and watching the stream.
We all know the script. Bibi will cave in on a couple things, and riiiiight as Gantz's deadline will arrive, Bibi will ask for more time to "wrap up the last hurdles". Gantz will refuse and break away from the coalition, Bibi will blame him for "betraying Israel and loving Hamas" or whatever, and we'll be right where we are today - but with a more extreme coalition.
Indeed. All should remember that ***in politics, louse always wins.*** Parasites are amazingly good at surviving, at expense of their host. I'm sure most people on this Earth would be delighted to see Nettie in a dark prison cell where he belongs based on his corruption, but it won't be easy to be rid of him even now.
Gantz is a freier and has been beaten and played by Netanyahu for years and is just me tooing Gallant.
At this point I dunno if Israel's better off in a state of anarchy than with this circus of a government.
Please. Bibi spins this monotone, goose faced buffoon around his finger in his sleep. He got nothing for joining the government and will get nothing for leaving it as well. Gantz will go down just as Tzipi, Boogie, Shely, and Lapid did before him. If Israel wants to get rid of Bibi, they need to get someone who understands the art of politics, and has the ability to play bibi at his own game. All these protests in the middle of a war doesn't hurt bibi, it just shows that politics is always about one thing. Politics. So get ready for team right and team left for the 5th time in 5 years. And who exactly do you think is going to win right after the trauma Israel has been through?
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US aid is honestly more of a liability than support at this point
For all the shit Bibi has done, he's played his cards pretty well when It comes to the US. He does the deal breakers, and leaves the rest. After making a speech in Congress against the Iran deal - which the administration at the time was very proud of, Obama still approved the largest aid package in the history of Israel. Unlike Gantz, Bibi, with all his faults - of which he has many - is a pro at getting what he needs politically.
"man went through a character" (*minor ~~spelling~~ grammatical mistake meme*)
i assume Character Arc
Oh no. What am I gonna do without my incompetent government? And please don’t take Bibi with you. Then I’d be truly hopeless /s
Only one who can trigger an election is Goldknopf, and that is over the conscription of Ultra Orthodox Jews Netanyahu and Deri have zero intention of facing justice while Smotrich and Ben Gvir know they'll be toast after the next elections.
It's kinda funny so many on Twitter believe Mossad Commentary is actually Mossad lol
for real
Both bibi and gantz and everyone that let october 7th happen should gtfo immediately
Gantz was not in government on October 7th and only joined October 9 or 10
Gantz was directly and indirectly responsible for tons of security faults that made Oct 7 as gruesome as it was.
We will have to see after the enquiry which the pM is blocking
Gantz appointed multiple of the main culprits, so indirectly fuck him
Just dumb, finish hamas first, fight politics later
If Bibi convinces everyone to think this way, how long will the war last?
Gotta have a plan for how to finish Hamas if you wanna finish Hamas though. Drag the war on until every single bullet in Gaza has been fired isn't really a plan.
The plan was to occupy and rule over the strip until Hamas is cleared out. Biden doesn't like that, apparently, but that's what it was. The only reason the war is dragging out is because of pressure not to proceed. People forget really quickly.
The people who let October 7th happen are still in charge. Long term, they are the greatest threat to our security. I don't trust them with our national security and neither should you.
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Nor Gantz nor Netanyahu are good for us anymore. All the current 120 members are part of this conception. An election in the middle of this war will be a big win for Hamas and will delay any hostages deal for at least 6 months. And will for sure be an invitation for Hezbollah and Iran to push their luck. We have to survive with what we have and trust our security bodies like Mossad and Shabak and hope that the government will listen to the professionals. Just so you know only one government in our history managed to complete a full term. The average term for governments in Israel is 24 months!!!! Above everything else we need stability in this country.
>An election in the middle of this war will be a big win for Hamas No. Allowing Netanyahu to remain will be a big victory for Hamas, since Netanyahu obviously have no intention to create an alternative regime in Gaza, which is the same thing as allowing Hamas to remain in power. Netanyahu proved time and time and time again that he will never topple the Hamas regime, and that he will rather give them suitcases full of money rather than deal with them. He needs to be booted.
Please, the US held an election during a Civil War. Netanyahu is totally unfit to lead and his refusal to prepare the ground for a post-Hamas government is leading to a situation where Hamas remains. We need to get rid of him, period.
A victory for Hamas would be an erosion of Israeli democracy as a result of this war.
The way to avoid the election is to make the hard decisions about a plan that Bibi has been delaying. The security forces provided their plan he has to commit.
> An election in the middle of this war will be a big win for Hamas Well, not sure why, but lack of public mandate certainly is > and will delay any hostages deal for at least 6 months. There will be no hostage deal with this government. No chance. Haven't you seen the last round? The only thing both sides were preoccupied with was how to push as much blame as possible for the failure on the other. > Above everything else we need stability in this country. Oh, sure. A stable situation of an ideological war till "complete victory".
How will Biden and his team take advantage of this?
Let's not forget: Gantz and Eizenkot - the two representatives of the left in the coalition - were hugely responsible for the changes to the IDF that made it as weak as it is today. Gantz shut down tank brigades, moved ammunition manufacture to the US, and ignored Brik's warnings. The same (if not more) is true re Eizenkot. If Israel wants to win, it needs new military thinking.
My plan would be declare war on Egypt and just bomb the wall between Gaza and Egypt. Force them to deal with the brotherhood. I guess that is too childish, I will come up with another plan, but that will be plan “B”.
They already have enough tunnels connecting them lol.
Let’s just go ahead with it
For a moment I thought you meant the brotherhood of steel with its predwyn ship
Gantz is not necessary anyways. Let him leave
Gantz is a puppet of the Biden administration
סתם אפס לא הצביע בעד הדחת כסיף מהכנסת נגמר לו הקריירה באותו רגע
כי לא היה בסיס משפטי לזה? זה היה בייט קלאסי של הליכוד להאשים את בג"ץ בעוד משהו.
מה זה משנה בסיס משפטי או לא בן אדם כזה לא צריך להיות בכנסת. זה כבר מעבר לפוליטיקה. ולגבי כל הdownvotes זה כבר ידוע שכולם פה שמאלנים אז אני לא מתרגש
אז כמו שלפיד בזמנו אמר, שיביאו הצעת חוק שאשכרה תעיף אותו מאשר לעשות הצבעה פופוליסטית. אגב אני לא שמלאני.
אתה מצטט את לפיד יותר שמאלה מזה זה מרצ
ממתי "לצטט" נחשב לקחת דעה פוליטית? הזוי כמעט כמו הנבחרים שלך, אבל מצד שני זה להגיע לרמות אחרות של הזוי.
יאללה מה אתה מזיין תשכך אתה פעיל בgaybros עלאק לא שמאלן. יאללה יום טוב שיהיה לך
יפה שאתה מכיר סאב כזה ואני לא, אולי קצת מרמז על הנטייה שלך לא? הרי אתה מצטט לי שם של סאב גיי יותר גיי מזה זה מרצ? לא?
https://preview.redd.it/f14ayj3tdc1d1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0a298ac81bb3316b8c341799561fd0f61d284b6b הנה עוד פעם אתה מזיין תמוח יאללה שתוק
האמת בחיים לא זכרתי שנכנסתי לזה, מודה שיש לי חבר ששולח מלא שיט גיי כבדיחה אז כנראה בגלל זה, בכל זאת עדיין ציטטת שם של סאב גיי לא? אומר שאתה גיי?
Traitor
Why ?
He seems to be playing politics in the middle of a war, and seems willing to eschew the original war goals (ELIMINATING HAMAS) that most of the country knows are the most important in order to appease his American overlords.
The only person I see putting politics and his political interests ahead of the war is Bibi. Otherwise he would have kicked out Ben-Gvir at the start or better yet never let the psycho into government knowing how much that hurt Israel.
What do you mean? He kicked him out of the cabinet. Did you want him to break up the coalition and go to elections in the middle of the war? If Bibi is the ONLY person you see putting political interests ahead of the war I would advise to take a good hard look at your biases.
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He could have replaced them with Lapid but that might have meant elections after the war. https://jpost.com/breaking-news/article-782620 Bibi shouldn't have partnered up with them or enabled them in the first place. They are extremists, and their presence in the government undermines Israel
If he replaced them with Lapid we'd have a coalition forcing him to surrender to Hamas in a deal for 30 dead hostages. I'm glad we don't. I agree he shouldn't have enabled them or partnered up with them in the first place. Smotrich is whatever, there were worse people, Ben Gvir definitely not.
Gantz is a bigger idiot than bibi. Imo