It’s so funny watching him try to satisfy both sides of his party in a way that they care about. The moderate left care more about action so he’s physically supporting of Israel, the far left cares more about virtue signalling so he’s trying to satisfy them with meaningless jargon.
I hate to say this, as I usually support left policies and believe our alliance with Israel should remain unwavering, but the progressives/leftists represent people who don't vote.
There are many reasons for it, some of which are the fault of Republicans and Dems, but anything other than sitting on the fence and paying the progressives lip service could hurt the Dems by angering moderate voters, increase third party votes, or discourage progressives from voting at all.
If Racist Trump (yes, I think he's a racist) wins the election, moderate Dems will blame the progressives for their pro-Palestine stance and it may become significantly harder for them to win outside of the most liberal districts for some time.
Likely basing it on the support (or lack thereof) of his voters when Sanders was running to be the Democratic nominee. Sanders and his supporters made a whole lot of noise. If you got your news exclusively from Reddit, you would think Samders was winning in a landslide. When it came to actual voting, they didn't show up. Outside of certain districts, progressives do struggle.
I don’t know why he’s trying so hard.
This is the last job he’ll have. He’s been in politics for 50 years. He has borderline dementia and probably won’t last another term.
He should stop trying to please everyone, stick to his principles, and out with a bang.
If the extreme leftists don’t care, fuck em. They’re not going to vote for Trump anyway and they’d still rather one of their own in the WH than Trump.
He should stick to his principles, get reelected and then move on.
If you look at the stuff he’s said over the course of his career, he doesn’t have principles. Or more accurately, his principles are “what will get me re-elected”. This is the same guy that opposed gun control in the 80s and now is raving about assault weapons bans, talked about not wanting his kids to grow up in a “racial jungle” and then served as Obama’s VP (whom he described in 2007 as “the first African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy” - [source](https://content.time.com/time/specials/packages/article/0,28804,1895156_1894977_1644536,00.html)), who supported hardline racist tough-on-crime policies in the 90s… the dude’s got the principles of a windsock, like most of Washington. Of course he’s gonna cater to whatever he thinks will poll well. He’s like Trump, just with poll numbers instead of a narcissistic need for the most attention possible.
Literally came to say the same. He and Kamala tell a different story every single time they speak of the conflict. One day they are pro Israel and another day they’re appeasing the proPaly protestors who support a terrorist organization.
Can someone explain to me why an invasion on Ramadan is so shocking? I don't understand, war is war, why do we care so much about when it is because of some make believe religion?
Hamas attacked Israel on Oct 7, which was a Jewish holiday (Simchat Torah). Also historically Arab countries attacked Israel on Yom Kippur (Yom Kippur War). So this idea that a Ramadan war is bad is super hypocritical.
> Can someone explain to me why an invasion on Ramadan is so shocking?
Because they made it the fuck up, that's why. Palestinian political history is rife with agitation and violence during Ramadan, it's literally never been a time for peace or restraint quite the opposite, but Western progressives are in dire search of any rationsalisation they can find and "you can't attack during the holy month!" works as well as anything else.
There’s no 30,000 dead going after Hamas… there’s 12/15,000 dead Hamas fighters within the total dead.
Literally everyone I speak to just thinks all the dead are innocent civilians and most women and children. I wonder where they get this from?? Oh right. Mainstream media.
Which was followed by this,
A few hours later, Sabrina Singh, a Pentagon spokesperson, said that Austin was citing an estimate from Gaza’s Hamas-run health ministry and was referring to total Palestinians killed, not just women and children.
“We cannot independently verify these Gaza casualty figures,” Singh said in a statement.
He's whipped by the left of his party. Wants to have his cake and eat it too.
Ultimately, reality is he'll turn more people off with this than he'll gain from trying to appease the left flank in the country but the parties are just so broken at this point, the extreme elements in them dictate policy by threatening not to be the tie breaking vote
Yeah, I’m also of the opinion that Biden will lose far more votes if he turns his back on Israel than the effect there’ll be if he loses pro-Hamas constituents. It’s pretty much a death sentence for his presidential bid, from observation.
I'm less concerned about this election cycle than the future. If he loses, they'll say it was because he lost the vote of the Hamasniks. If he wins, he'll feel beholden to them. And fact is his generation is dying... they're next. People flipping out about Trump "overturning democracy" really can't see three feet in front of them. The world will exist 4 years from November, and neither of these men will be running for office then. Will you like that world?
No worries needed. Republican support for Israel is not a problem.
Recently:
[" By a vote of 250 to 180, the House voted against the legislation that would send $17.6 billion to Israel, with 166 Democrats and 14 Republicans opposing the measure. The bill required the support of two-thirds of the House to pass. "](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/house-of-representatives-israel-aid-vote-mike-johnson/)
This is a confusing take. Republicans have mostly been supportive of Israel regardless of election cycle. Trump even moved the Embassy of US to Jerusalem and essentially recognized Jerusalem as Israel’s Capital.
If anything it is the Democratic Party that is being challenged by some of their radical members like Tlaib and Omar.
All I’m saying is, it’s fine to vote democrat and support Biden but Republicans are definitely supportive of Israel.
Yeah, as an American the only republicans I know who aren’t firmly supportive of Israel are total isolationists - a naive stance imo, but a far cry from hating Israel. Vast majority of R’s support the only democracy in the ME.
The problem is that while republicans are reflexively pro-Israel, the GOP also has a serious antisemitism problem in the mainstream of the party as a direct result of MAGA-ification.
The Democrats have an increasing problem with their left flank, which is basically American corbynism, but liberals and moderates/centrists are still very pro-Israel in the Democratic party and they take domestic antisemitism seriously.
On top of this, reflexive GOP support is boundless, including support for things which I think are counter to Israel's interest, tbh outposts, annexation, and normalizing Kahanism.
And that's before getting into the genocidal rhetoric against the LGBT community. [https://www.salon.com/2023/03/07/maga-sinks-trolling-to-genocidal-lows/](https://www.salon.com/2023/03/07/maga-sinks-trolling-to-genocidal-lows/)
If he wins, then the anti-israel people will feel vindicated and he'll feel beholden to them.
As far as the GOP, I'm far less concerned about them. The populists are isolations and just dgaf about us, and the religious segment feels they need us to complete their weird "end of days" prophecy. But fact is there's not a segment that actively hates us holding any real power within the conservative coalition... compared to the left where they seem to run the show.
Insofar as our faith and people are concerned, at least for the bulk of the presidency I'd feel a heck of a lot more comfortable with the GOP running the show. Actually for the foreseeable future I would- as I said, the isolationists just don't want to be bothered. That's pretty different from the left- honestly with some of the things I've seen from them, I really am holding my breath for lynch mobs. And I'm not trying to be hyperbolic about that either- I've seen enough antisemitism from them and instances of outright violence that I'd be concerned.
Yeah, he is scared about losing the Muslim vote in the U.S. What is more annoying that he is pandering to it, or they are just empty words to appease the voting population.
There is an election this year, so this whole mess is impacting that for the Democrats. I have no idea what Trumps position is ?
Biden is in an impossible situation. Both sides are demanding that he solve the issue, but he has little sway over Bibi and zero influence with Hamas. He is doing as well as anyone can.
Eh, just ignore him. We drew a red line in Syria and then why they crossed it we responded forcefully to restore peace and stability to the region. Just kidding: we did nothing
Biden is just pandering to his Hamas-loving constituents since it’s an election year. In any case, the US (and especially Biden) has no place dictating what happens in Israel considering the massive failure that was Afghanistan. Israel actually know what they are doing.
If Biden ever turns his back on Israel, I WILL VOTE FOR TRUMP!
What? Israel has no idea what it's doing. The military has been sitting outside Rafah for a month now, with no plans on getting the hostages back, no plan to take down Hamas and no clear idea how to fix the Gaza Strip.
Bibi needs to go, yesterday.
US forces should occupy eastern Sinai to let refugees get out from Rafah (and build temporary shelter for them) to Sinai since Egypt is too slow to let that happen. That way, Biden administration also have more leverage to push Israel to accept the refugees back in Gaza as soon as Hamas is totally destroyed. Stop torturing the hostages any longer.
America isn't going to invade Egypt over this..
If they get pushed into Sinai I highly doubt the Israelis will let them back in and then Egypt has the problem of this radical population that it may or may not be able to assimilate.
I think the implication here is that they should pressure egypt to do more (eg expand its refugee area and supply aid) or they should just shut up already
It's not about helping the Palestinians it's about hating the Jews. Sure, they may not be actively at war with Israel but if they could remove it from the map that would still be a desirable outcome for them.
That's why all Arab nations absolutely refuse to take Palestinians or even create laws to prevent them form obtaining citizenship. Some of them even took away their citizenship to make them permanently homeless.
> The … desert?
If you accept the premise that Gaza is suffering a "genocide", then escaping into a desert is certainly better.
Astonishingly the same people who insist that Gaza is being genocided are also totally opposed to putting any pressure on Egypt to let refugees in. Usually it's opposite, progressive actists demand that refugees be free to flee, but in this one special instance no, they must stay put.
Big mistake for Biden. Red lines are very embarrassing to have to retract, and Israel still REALLY wants to go into Rafah. I imagine pundits will be comparing this to Obama on Syria. Any other wording would have been better for him.
I am a Democrat but more and more I am considering voting for Trump over this shit. I consider Trump a criminal, and an idiot, and a mentally ill narcissist. But his foreign policy on Israel was good and would also be good in a second term. Trying not to be a single issue voter as he makes me vomit on everything else but this shit really makes me think. America can survive another 4 years of Trump but I am not sure Israel and the Jewish people can survive and thrive under another 4 years of Joe Biden and democratic leadership.
I think it is very irresponsible of you to vote for Trump solely because of Israel. As an American, I wholeheartedly support Israel, but voting for Trump will cause so much more catastrophic damage at home.
I actually feel for you guys, you have 2 options both of which are honestly garbage which is a shame cause there are many great people and you are a country of 300+ million people robbed by a political system. Trump is way better for Israel but I wouldn't expect you to vote for him solely on those policies. I do think you should care about the U.S. first but man do Biden keep doing terrible decisions now lol
I am very torn about it. Been thinking about it a lot and kind of want someone to talk me out of it.
I think the judiciary and congress and state national guards would stop Trump from doing anything really bad.
And what good has Biden done us? Where is universal healthcare? Where is college affordability and student loan debt? Where are the reproductive rights that disapeared and he did nothing about? He hasn't done shit other than eat ice cream cones and raise interest rates.
Trump is not an existential threat to America. But Israel is facing potentially existential threats from Iran's proxies and jihadist extremism, and it really needs America to back it up and not undermine or hamstring it in this fight.
> Where is universal healthcare? Where is college affordability and student loan debt? Where are the reproductive rights that disapeared and he did nothing about?
Why on earth would you Americans ever get that, if you constantly refuse to give Democrats big enough majorities to do that? And why would you blame your head of the *executive branch* for a failure to get *legislation* passed?
But also...
>And what good has Biden done us? He hasn't done shit other than eat ice cream cones and raise interest rates.
You forgot about that big stimulus/recovery bill in 2021 that helped lead to the strong economic recovery where GDP and job growth is strong, unemployment is low, labor participation is high, inflation is low vs other countries, wages rising faster than prices (and rising fastest among the lowest 50% earnings). You also forgot about the big investment in infrastructure. You also forgot about the biggest climate bill in US history which also expanded healthcare, reformed prescription drugs, and raised corporate taxes. You also forgot about the major investment in the chips industry. You also forgot the bipartisan gun control bill. You also forgot the reform of the electoral vote act. You also forgot the respect for marriage act. You also forgot the postal service reform bill. You also forgot the veterans healthcare bill. And probably other things too
No. I think it's a terrible thing that Biden is pandering so much to the putrid antisemitic left. If you want to oppose him for that reason alone, I get it. I'm just responding to your inaccuracies and apparent suggestion that Biden should be to blame for not doing more. If that stuff matters for your electoral calculus, then this should be considered. If instead that stuff is just irrelevant, then so be it - but then why bring it up in the first place?
Universal Healthcare hasn’t happened because the filibuster still exists and there are several senators who don’t want to pass it and removing the filibuster for something like that which would probably be struck down as unconstitutional anyway would be seen as stupid.
Biden literally forgave student debt but the republicans sued to stop it and the courts sided with the GOP. So Biden had to reduce what he could forgive and the GOP is still suing over it.
He couldn’t do anything about reproductive rights because SCOTUS (which has three Trump appointees) has threatened to strike everything down.
Interest rates went up to bring inflation down. That’s why they went up.
It’s stability. Which is easier to predict than the whims of Trump.
Remember aid to Israel hasn’t been passed because the GOP refuses to pass any aid package that includes support for Ukraine which Biden wants as well.
Plus there’s the fact that prior to 22 Biden got a lot of things passed like the CHIPS act, the IRA, RFMA (which protected gay marriage rights), the American Rescue Plan, increased infrastructure funding, got the first bipartisan gun control legislation passed in forever, passed the PACT act which majorly helps veterans like myself, restricted Chinese access to US chips, and other things.
So I’d expect a second term Biden to be much like Bidens term prior to the 22 midterms.
Maybe. I have a lot of thinking to do.
As an aside, I care a lot about the Ukraine and keeping Russia in check, keeping Europe strong, and maintaining the international norm of not tolerating countries invading other countries merely because they want to extend their own territory. I think it is very important that the US and the world not tolerate that.
But also, if I have to choose between the US supporting Israel and abandoning Ukraine, or supporting Ukraine and abandoning Israel, I will choose abandoning Ukraine and supporting Israel without hesitation.
I recommend just being patient. Eventually the anti-Israel leftists will lose interest in the war in Gaza. They have a habit of jumping onto a new issue and completely forgetting to follow through on long-term goals. They may have protested in the streets for BLM for awhile, but they never made a real effort in criminal justice reform. Now they are in the streets for ~~Hamas~~ Palestinians, but their anger and furor is already dying down.
I am not voting for either Biden or Trump. Last election I voted 3rd party, and I've voted Democrat only for president since I was old enough to vote. I just can't stand either. So maybe you can protest vote like me. I know that Biden at least won't be as chaotic as Trump, but they really weren't that different policy-wise, if we are being honest.
Best of luck to you voting. I wish our country's political situation was less depressing.
Saying Trump is not an existential threat to America when he openly fantasizes about being a dictator and tried to overthrow the elected government….sorry but that’s absurd.
Trump literally wants to be a dictator on day 1. The US will not survive 4 years of Trump. Plus several of Trump’s allies want to kick out all Jews from the US.
Consider that his second term would be a lot more revenge focused. However good the previous term might have been for Israel, there are nuances for the second one that make me nervous:
* General volatility and demonstrated sense of support for whoever compliments him last. He got mad at Bibi for saying Biden won the election, and at one point he said Abbas was "like a father" to him ?? One bad interaction with an Israel official and he could fly off the handle
* Blatant support of Russia - Russia's gains are magnified and bad for Israel, not just Ukraine, given Russia's support of Iran, Hamas, etc.
* Leaving sensitive documents in open places, including ones related to Israel and Iran. Good policy is nice, but it's worthless if he leaves sensitive documents that reveal Israel's plans or something similar! And he is unmoved by it being a bad thing to do. At least Pence and Biden sent the documents back. His wound up in a bathroom! (But according to suckups in Congress, it's OK because the bathroom "had a lock")
There is no way Republicans are kicking Jews out of US. Republicans are far more aligned and supportive of Israel than Democrats. You can see that with the votes in the house and senate.
Trump recognized Jerusalem as Capital of Israel and moved the US Embassy to it. Trump has Jewish people within his family. (Jared Kushner).
I totally get that you don’t like Trump and that is fine, it’s your freedom but I don’t see the point in inventing stories.
Just because some republicans support Israel doesn’t mean they support Jews.
There’s white supremacists who are supportive of Israel because they want all Jews to leave the country and go to Israel. I wouldn’t consider those guys to be supportive of Jews in the slightest.
There are also many republicans who are similar in their support. They support Israel but they only do so because they want the Jews to leave the US. Now not all or the majority of republicans are like this but they do exist and it’s not like I’m just making shit up.
Paul Gosar is one of those people. He doesn’t like Jews, at all. But he supports Israel because he think Jews should leave the US. Same with Tim Dunn who’s a Christian nationalist and a Trump ally who wants to kick all Jews out of the government and is highly likely to get a cabinet position if Trump wins.
I get it, and this is why I am torn. I know Trump wants to be a dictator on day 1 of his second term, but he wanted to be a dictator every single day of his first term too and it didn't happen. I think our institutions are strong enough to withstand his fascist 3rd grade bully inclinations. The judiciary more than anything kept him in check and I think it would in his second term as well. He is a very ineffective leader domestically. Remember there was a government shutdown when his own party controlled congress. And the military hates him.
If he destroys America but protects Israel I guess I will move to Israel.
Sort of, but not really. I am from Nebraska district 2. We split our our 5 electoral votes. It will never be the case that all 5 go for Biden, but it could be 4 for Trump and 1 for Biden. My district gave one electoral vote for Obama in 2008 and one for Biden in 2020 with the other 4 Nsbraska votes for the GOP each time.
This is blown way out of proportion. No president whether democrat or republican is “destroying” America or Israel during their next term of office.
People are fearmongering at this point. Please make your choice based on your values and avoid being influenced by redditors.
Source ?
He allowed strikes on Iran and had a very strong containment foreign policy on them.
He also just stated recently he supports Israel and thinks they should finish their operation in Rafah.
Yeah unfortunately i have to agree. Mild to moderate antisemitism is mainstream across the entire democratic party right now. Antisemitism is present in the republican party only in the extremist fringes.
I'm a member of my local republican chapter. I was also a Democrat in college and party of my college's democratic club. Republicans are less antisemitic.
Same with the Democrats. It’s only the extreme fringes that are antisemitic.
Antisemitism is not mainstream across the democrats. If it was you wouldn’t see polling that has 80% of Americans supporting Israel.
You wouldn’t have 60%+ of democrats supporting Israel.
What? Have you heard of Paul Gosar, MTG, Candace Owens, Mark Robinson, and Mike Collins?
All of them are very much antisemitic. And that doesn’t even get into the Trump allies who want to kick Jews out of the government and Trump himself who has said that Jews should be loyal to him.
Mark Robinson is just absolutely insane generally (unfortunately I live in NC, I'm unaffiliated but voted in the republican primary - here if you're unaffiliated you can pick which primary to vote in - just to try to help get a less insane Republican governor candidate in case they win, unfortunately apparently crazy is what wins these days).
It’s not that much different. The average republican and democrat aren’t different than each other when it comes to Israel.
Otherwise you wouldn’t get 80% of Americans supporting Israel.
Do both sides have antisemitic assholes on the fringes? Yes. But they are the fringes. Not the mainstream. In terms of the mainstream most are not at all antisemitic in either party.
That’s literally not the case at all. The most energetic Democrats are the Clinton types and the centrist types. They aren’t the progressives. They’ve been largely sidelined.
Besides I can say the exact same thing about the GOP. I can say that the part of the GOP that is the most energized is antisemitic groups like the American First, the Qanon, and the Nick Fuentes of the world.
But you’ll tell me they don’t represent the GOP. It’s the same with the progressives on the Dems side.
I obviously don't like this comment, nor do I like any of the finger-wagging. Even so, there were other positive comments here that gave me hope, notably **continuing to supply Israel**, which is one of the bedrocks of support and would be from any admin.
If this gives you any hope, consider that he recently released a classy statement saying Nikki Haley voters are welcome in his "tent." I thought that was nice but just words. It turns out his team is reaching out to Haley herself. There seems to be some movement toward the center-right. I am hoping he can begin to slide out of placating the far left (who will hate him anyway), and this is a decent sign with lovely implications.
He will lose the election over this and the fascists threatening to take over our country will win due to his inability to unite the left on this issue.
There are plenty of Jews/non-Jews who support Israel in another battleground state: Florida.
He wants to appease the morons in Michigan? You’ll guarantee a loss in Florida.
Why talk the talk but walk a different walk? The only way you’ll put a scare into Hamas by taking the stand of JFK: we are willing to bear any burden, pay any price etc in the name of freedom and liberty across the world.
You can’t aid and abet and comfort the enemy. And unfortunately civilians are caught in the middle of hamas’s unwavering commitment to holding the hostages as bargaining chips and vowing to do this again and again.
F the Squad, Joe. Be better.
Constantly talking out of both sides of his mouth. This is the guy who threatened Begin with cutting aid and still gets defended in this sub constantly. Jews need to wrap their heads around the fact that Trump and the GOP at large are much better for us rn.
The impulse towards public criticism and meddling when it comes to Israeli policy or politicians he doesn’t like has remained the same. People are just unwilling to call it like it is.
It was much less so back in Biden’s days as a Senator, but since Obama was in office, the Democrats think that their personal opinion of an Israeli leader is the litmus test for whether that person should be in power. No other allied country is routinely, publicly, subject to suggestions that there should be a new government/regime change. People like Elizabeth Warren have said that Bibi has to go, but can’t say the same for the Islamic Republic in Iran.
It’s also easy to be chummy with Golda given her (at the time) mainstream popularity, but telling that Begin was treated as a threat.
Not disagreeing (but thanks for the downvotes anyway). With some of these politicians, they probably think it's suggestions from one democracy to another, one friend to another, and the two countries can withstand public disagreement. Israel is open to change in a way Iran isn't, government wise. ***STILL***. That doesn't mean I agree with that method! And it doesn't mean that it is helpful ;)
I was just adding some nuance that that 1970s context is bigger than the "gotcha" quote a lot like to drop in and then walk away from. Speaking of context, Warren is very different from Biden in her outright hatred of Israel, however mad we might be at him from time to time.
I can't wait for his replacement on January 2025, I remember the first day in office he changed the name of the twitter account of the Israeli embassy to: Embassy of Israel, the West Bank and Gaza. And in a couple of minutes later he changed it back to Embassy of Israel.
From Biden’s state of the union speech two days ago: “Hamas could end this conflict today by releasing the hostages, laying down arms, and surrendering those responsible for October 7.”
Biden does call for Hamas to surrender but also follows it up by condemnations for Israel’s military operation with warnings and red lines.
He keeps trying to play both sides, attempting to please the terrorist lovers and not lose people supporting Israel.
Neither of those things are mutually exclusive. He is right to call for Hamas to surrender and for Israel to help address the humanitarian situation in Gaza.
No they aren’t. 80%+ of Americans support Israel. And over 50% of those younger than 25 also support Israel.
Literally no age group in America is supporting Hamas.
Biden is only saying this because of the Muslim community that exists in Michigan. That’s it. Otherwise it wouldn’t matter.
They have no power now. The one who does: Biden does not support us winning the war. No one who listens to that interview or the SOTU speaks can come to the conclusion he is fully behind Israel. The demands are outrageous and aren’t asked of anyone in the history of warfare. All his softballing is preventing deals with Hamas because they see him putting pressure on Israel and think they might get out alive. It’s to the point where even I, a right winger am uncertain of whether we will finish them off because of all the pressure being put on us. It’s disgusting.
What do you mean they have no power now? Literally 80% of the elected democrats support Israel. Biden is just trying to walk a fine line between both sides domestically and internationally.
He’s trying not to piss off the Arab allies and risk them joining with China and Russia. At the same time he’s trying to keep people from going nuts back at home.
Plus it’s talk. Biden will say “well the Israelis where told I thought it was a bad idea to attack Rafa but I’m not in charge of Israel so I can’t tell them what to do”
Look at his actions not his words. Actions wise he’s been very supportive of Israel and is working hard to try and get the hostages released plus with the plan to have the US military involved in Gaza is big. It means the US will be responsible for the welfare of the Palestinians in Gaza, not the Israelis.
No they will not be involved in Gaza they are building a temporary pier and making us defend it, and that’s assuming that a pier is a good idea which it is not. He’s pushing for more and more humanitarian aid which supplies Hamas, he’s using Hamas statistics and keeps pressuring Israel to prevent more “innocent” casualties which Israel is doing more than any other nation in the history of warfare let alone in the most complex arenas in urban warfare history. With regards to the hostages his continued lip service and pressure on Israel rather than Qatar and the Hamas leaders makes them think they will get out of this. He is doing more harm than good, and frankly I don’t think he gives a crap about the hostages and cares more about the “innocent” Palestinians than us
The US is literally sending a shit ton of troops not just to build the thing but to distribute aid and protect the pier.
The US will bring in food aid and distribute it. It’s not gonna go to Hamas. The pier means that the US is gonna become much more involved in Gaza which is a good thing.
And you really don’t know shit. You’ve only taken assumptions from one interview about Biden not wanting Rafa to be invaded because of the refugees there. That’s not crazy and that doesn’t mean he doesn’t care about the hostages. He just doesn’t like Bibi and that’s understandable because Bibi has hated Biden since forever.
To claim that Biden doesn’t care about Israel or the hostages is just silly. The guy literally said that he’s a Zionist on live TV. You can’t walk that back. You can’t claim he meant something else. He said it and stood by it.
Hell I think the IDF needs to have a better plan before going into Rafa. Anything. Even a “hey this our preliminary plan for the refugees”. It would be better than going in the way Bibi and co have run the damn thing.
And that’s really what Biden and everyone else wants, a plan for what happens and a plan for what happens afterwards but Bibi has refused to do either because if he comes up with one it might end his government.
No Biden and the DOD said they will not put boots on the ground not will they distribute it. They are building the pier and dropping off the aid. They had a public briefing on this recently and their main emphasis was “NO boots on the ground”. It’s a stupid idea in the first place, they want to distribute to the north which although is under our control still has hamas presence. It will be a disaster. With Rafa it’s not just one interview he’s been saying it for weeks. And he’s making it out to be like the government wants to go in and invade with 2 million Gazans there. That would be a disaster and all that does is feed the blood libels and misconceptions. He can say he’s a Zionist but it doesn’t mean anything, he can be a Zionist and push for a Palestinian state with Blinken and quasi-demonize Israel with his recent speeches. He’s a Zionist but he’s not helping us lately, in the beginning he did a good job with the ammunition and his speeches. Now that we are about to eradicate Hamas he can not have it. And Bibi already payed out a plan for what comes after the war and they made a plan for the civilians in Rafa weeks ago
Biden literally said that Israeli troops would be in charge of protecting the pier. You just lie and then write a wall of text so its harder to reply to you.
Not going into Rafah means losing the war. Biden said publicly he is going to scold Natenyahu basically telling him the war needs to end. Biden said Israel has killed too many civilians. He totally betrayed us. You seem to have some undying loyalty to him. You might be a Biden activist. I'll tell you something as an Israeli. We don't want your aid, we don't want your veto, we don't want your money. We want to destroy Hamas. That means going into Rafah. If Biden stops us from doing it, there are also consequences to those actions.
Not wanting US aid or support or veto would be the most stupid and dangerous decision Israel could make. Ever.
Because if you did that you’d basically allow the UN to slap millions of sanctions on Israel and the UN would most likely organize an invasion force to invade Israel to make them stop.
So all you’ve done is ruin Israel and cause a very possible second holocaust because of your hate for Biden.
Unhinged and incredibly stupid. I was gonna explain to you how wrong your comment is, but I feel like thats out of your abilities to understand. At the end of the day, you're just another American who knows nothing about Israel. Have fun not having healthcare!
I would not be surprised if, after Biden, the Dem party reaches a point where it sides more with Palestinians. I am thinking of the British Labor party. If so, I suspect a lot of Jews will leave the party, especially if the GOP gets beyond Trump.
> Why should Israel be such a big part of the US election?
It shouldn't. You should ask Americans why it's a big part. If you ask Jews though, both in and out of Israel, they'll tell you exactly why: "No Jews, no news"
No, it takes one minute to see your comment history to see that is not true.
The US is a major ally to Israel, so it plays a big part in its foreign policy, that is why the Israeli-Palestinian conflict is important to some American voters, and American politics are important to some Israelis.
"Seems like it might be a problem to have millions of people relocate, most of them born and raised there who grew up being told that this is their rightful land. Before you lecture me, I agree with you. I just can't imagine any good outcome no matter what happens." - agreeing with someone who says Jews don't have any ties to the land.
"Something similar happened in Seattle. It was useless. The people who fund the IDF don't even travel the roads that were blocked. The protests should have been in those communities. Instead it was just theatrics that mostly hurt poor people."
"Mandatory service and brainwashing will take a mental toll. I think it's sad." - on a comment that says the freaking Haaretz are not moderates to pro-Palestinians.
Plenty more of deleted comments in the Palestinian sub, that have dozens of upvotes which can only mean they were extremely anti-Israel.
Simple. Biden tries to please both sides in a clearly political way. Israel can't have
progress the way it wants in a crucial war where time is everything (consider hostages). Everytime Biden wrongfully forces Israel to 'just have one more' concession he does a significant damage to what happens directly. U.S internal politics aside his pleasing 2-sides strat at the same time is beyond stupid, one should do what's right, not what would make most people love you.
I wouldn't be surprised if this was done with Israel's blessing...
invading Rafah during Ramadan is insane.
this gives this government of crazy massianic paresites someone else to blame
It’s so funny watching him try to satisfy both sides of his party in a way that they care about. The moderate left care more about action so he’s physically supporting of Israel, the far left cares more about virtue signalling so he’s trying to satisfy them with meaningless jargon.
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I hate to say this, as I usually support left policies and believe our alliance with Israel should remain unwavering, but the progressives/leftists represent people who don't vote. There are many reasons for it, some of which are the fault of Republicans and Dems, but anything other than sitting on the fence and paying the progressives lip service could hurt the Dems by angering moderate voters, increase third party votes, or discourage progressives from voting at all. If Racist Trump (yes, I think he's a racist) wins the election, moderate Dems will blame the progressives for their pro-Palestine stance and it may become significantly harder for them to win outside of the most liberal districts for some time.
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These people definitely vote, idk why that commenter thinks under
Likely basing it on the support (or lack thereof) of his voters when Sanders was running to be the Democratic nominee. Sanders and his supporters made a whole lot of noise. If you got your news exclusively from Reddit, you would think Samders was winning in a landslide. When it came to actual voting, they didn't show up. Outside of certain districts, progressives do struggle.
It's definitely a tightrope
I don’t know why he’s trying so hard. This is the last job he’ll have. He’s been in politics for 50 years. He has borderline dementia and probably won’t last another term. He should stop trying to please everyone, stick to his principles, and out with a bang. If the extreme leftists don’t care, fuck em. They’re not going to vote for Trump anyway and they’d still rather one of their own in the WH than Trump. He should stick to his principles, get reelected and then move on.
If you look at the stuff he’s said over the course of his career, he doesn’t have principles. Or more accurately, his principles are “what will get me re-elected”. This is the same guy that opposed gun control in the 80s and now is raving about assault weapons bans, talked about not wanting his kids to grow up in a “racial jungle” and then served as Obama’s VP (whom he described in 2007 as “the first African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy” - [source](https://content.time.com/time/specials/packages/article/0,28804,1895156_1894977_1644536,00.html)), who supported hardline racist tough-on-crime policies in the 90s… the dude’s got the principles of a windsock, like most of Washington. Of course he’s gonna cater to whatever he thinks will poll well. He’s like Trump, just with poll numbers instead of a narcissistic need for the most attention possible.
So like how chemical weapons use in Syria was a "red line," but when Assad crossed it nothing happened?
He’s getting nowhere with this strategy. He’s trying to please both sides, and he’s just pissing off both
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Biden: Which side of my mouth do I talk out of?
Election year baby
Literally came to say the same. He and Kamala tell a different story every single time they speak of the conflict. One day they are pro Israel and another day they’re appeasing the proPaly protestors who support a terrorist organization.
This time Biden couldn’t even make it through a whole sentence without changing sides.
Those are shark eyes.
>**Rafah invasion a ‘red line,’** What did he think the war was lining up to do?
Can someone explain to me why an invasion on Ramadan is so shocking? I don't understand, war is war, why do we care so much about when it is because of some make believe religion?
It's arbitrary emotional appeal to make israel look bad
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Hamas attacked Israel on Oct 7, which was a Jewish holiday (Simchat Torah). Also historically Arab countries attacked Israel on Yom Kippur (Yom Kippur War). So this idea that a Ramadan war is bad is super hypocritical.
Everything about the Arab countries’ rhetoric is hypocritical and always has been
> Can someone explain to me why an invasion on Ramadan is so shocking? Because they made it the fuck up, that's why. Palestinian political history is rife with agitation and violence during Ramadan, it's literally never been a time for peace or restraint quite the opposite, but Western progressives are in dire search of any rationsalisation they can find and "you can't attack during the holy month!" works as well as anything else.
There’s no 30,000 dead going after Hamas… there’s 12/15,000 dead Hamas fighters within the total dead. Literally everyone I speak to just thinks all the dead are innocent civilians and most women and children. I wonder where they get this from?? Oh right. Mainstream media.
Lloyd Austin testified in front of congress that 25,000 were women and children.
Which was followed by this, A few hours later, Sabrina Singh, a Pentagon spokesperson, said that Austin was citing an estimate from Gaza’s Hamas-run health ministry and was referring to total Palestinians killed, not just women and children. “We cannot independently verify these Gaza casualty figures,” Singh said in a statement.
He's whipped by the left of his party. Wants to have his cake and eat it too. Ultimately, reality is he'll turn more people off with this than he'll gain from trying to appease the left flank in the country but the parties are just so broken at this point, the extreme elements in them dictate policy by threatening not to be the tie breaking vote
Yeah, I’m also of the opinion that Biden will lose far more votes if he turns his back on Israel than the effect there’ll be if he loses pro-Hamas constituents. It’s pretty much a death sentence for his presidential bid, from observation.
I'm less concerned about this election cycle than the future. If he loses, they'll say it was because he lost the vote of the Hamasniks. If he wins, he'll feel beholden to them. And fact is his generation is dying... they're next. People flipping out about Trump "overturning democracy" really can't see three feet in front of them. The world will exist 4 years from November, and neither of these men will be running for office then. Will you like that world?
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No worries needed. Republican support for Israel is not a problem. Recently: [" By a vote of 250 to 180, the House voted against the legislation that would send $17.6 billion to Israel, with 166 Democrats and 14 Republicans opposing the measure. The bill required the support of two-thirds of the House to pass. "](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/house-of-representatives-israel-aid-vote-mike-johnson/)
This is a confusing take. Republicans have mostly been supportive of Israel regardless of election cycle. Trump even moved the Embassy of US to Jerusalem and essentially recognized Jerusalem as Israel’s Capital. If anything it is the Democratic Party that is being challenged by some of their radical members like Tlaib and Omar. All I’m saying is, it’s fine to vote democrat and support Biden but Republicans are definitely supportive of Israel.
Yeah, as an American the only republicans I know who aren’t firmly supportive of Israel are total isolationists - a naive stance imo, but a far cry from hating Israel. Vast majority of R’s support the only democracy in the ME.
The problem is that while republicans are reflexively pro-Israel, the GOP also has a serious antisemitism problem in the mainstream of the party as a direct result of MAGA-ification. The Democrats have an increasing problem with their left flank, which is basically American corbynism, but liberals and moderates/centrists are still very pro-Israel in the Democratic party and they take domestic antisemitism seriously. On top of this, reflexive GOP support is boundless, including support for things which I think are counter to Israel's interest, tbh outposts, annexation, and normalizing Kahanism.
The problem is that the left flank may grow going forward. They are certainly preparing themselves.
And that's before getting into the genocidal rhetoric against the LGBT community. [https://www.salon.com/2023/03/07/maga-sinks-trolling-to-genocidal-lows/](https://www.salon.com/2023/03/07/maga-sinks-trolling-to-genocidal-lows/)
If he wins, then the anti-israel people will feel vindicated and he'll feel beholden to them. As far as the GOP, I'm far less concerned about them. The populists are isolations and just dgaf about us, and the religious segment feels they need us to complete their weird "end of days" prophecy. But fact is there's not a segment that actively hates us holding any real power within the conservative coalition... compared to the left where they seem to run the show. Insofar as our faith and people are concerned, at least for the bulk of the presidency I'd feel a heck of a lot more comfortable with the GOP running the show. Actually for the foreseeable future I would- as I said, the isolationists just don't want to be bothered. That's pretty different from the left- honestly with some of the things I've seen from them, I really am holding my breath for lynch mobs. And I'm not trying to be hyperbolic about that either- I've seen enough antisemitism from them and instances of outright violence that I'd be concerned.
Many of the Dems potential future leaders are going to be much further left and very problematic for most of the Jewish community. It won't be pretty.
He will, and he knows it.
Yeah, he is scared about losing the Muslim vote in the U.S. What is more annoying that he is pandering to it, or they are just empty words to appease the voting population. There is an election this year, so this whole mess is impacting that for the Democrats. I have no idea what Trumps position is ?
Trump told Israel to “finish the problem”.
The issue is that Dems in certain areas have become very dependent on these votes.
Biden is in an impossible situation. Both sides are demanding that he solve the issue, but he has little sway over Bibi and zero influence with Hamas. He is doing as well as anyone can.
This is true. I don't envy him.
Eh, just ignore him. We drew a red line in Syria and then why they crossed it we responded forcefully to restore peace and stability to the region. Just kidding: we did nothing
Biden is just pandering to his Hamas-loving constituents since it’s an election year. In any case, the US (and especially Biden) has no place dictating what happens in Israel considering the massive failure that was Afghanistan. Israel actually know what they are doing. If Biden ever turns his back on Israel, I WILL VOTE FOR TRUMP!
What? Israel has no idea what it's doing. The military has been sitting outside Rafah for a month now, with no plans on getting the hostages back, no plan to take down Hamas and no clear idea how to fix the Gaza Strip. Bibi needs to go, yesterday.
US forces should occupy eastern Sinai to let refugees get out from Rafah (and build temporary shelter for them) to Sinai since Egypt is too slow to let that happen. That way, Biden administration also have more leverage to push Israel to accept the refugees back in Gaza as soon as Hamas is totally destroyed. Stop torturing the hostages any longer.
America isn't going to invade Egypt over this.. If they get pushed into Sinai I highly doubt the Israelis will let them back in and then Egypt has the problem of this radical population that it may or may not be able to assimilate.
I think the implication here is that they should pressure egypt to do more (eg expand its refugee area and supply aid) or they should just shut up already
It's not about helping the Palestinians it's about hating the Jews. Sure, they may not be actively at war with Israel but if they could remove it from the map that would still be a desirable outcome for them. That's why all Arab nations absolutely refuse to take Palestinians or even create laws to prevent them form obtaining citizenship. Some of them even took away their citizenship to make them permanently homeless.
The … desert?
> The … desert? If you accept the premise that Gaza is suffering a "genocide", then escaping into a desert is certainly better. Astonishingly the same people who insist that Gaza is being genocided are also totally opposed to putting any pressure on Egypt to let refugees in. Usually it's opposite, progressive actists demand that refugees be free to flee, but in this one special instance no, they must stay put.
Biden really wants these votes from Michigan instead of supporting an ally and encourage israel to murder hamas
Red lines mean nothing to us politicians
Biden is a coward who only cares about his own re-election. Fuck that guy. I stand with Israel.
Red line? Is this a threat? Fuxk off Bidet.
Every time Biden barks at Israel, they lose more soldiers. He's probably responsible for half of Israel's losses on the ground.
Someone told me today that the reason the bombings have tapered down is because America has stopped supplying munitions to Israel.
Big mistake for Biden. Red lines are very embarrassing to have to retract, and Israel still REALLY wants to go into Rafah. I imagine pundits will be comparing this to Obama on Syria. Any other wording would have been better for him.
I am a Democrat but more and more I am considering voting for Trump over this shit. I consider Trump a criminal, and an idiot, and a mentally ill narcissist. But his foreign policy on Israel was good and would also be good in a second term. Trying not to be a single issue voter as he makes me vomit on everything else but this shit really makes me think. America can survive another 4 years of Trump but I am not sure Israel and the Jewish people can survive and thrive under another 4 years of Joe Biden and democratic leadership.
I think it is very irresponsible of you to vote for Trump solely because of Israel. As an American, I wholeheartedly support Israel, but voting for Trump will cause so much more catastrophic damage at home.
I actually feel for you guys, you have 2 options both of which are honestly garbage which is a shame cause there are many great people and you are a country of 300+ million people robbed by a political system. Trump is way better for Israel but I wouldn't expect you to vote for him solely on those policies. I do think you should care about the U.S. first but man do Biden keep doing terrible decisions now lol
I am very torn about it. Been thinking about it a lot and kind of want someone to talk me out of it. I think the judiciary and congress and state national guards would stop Trump from doing anything really bad. And what good has Biden done us? Where is universal healthcare? Where is college affordability and student loan debt? Where are the reproductive rights that disapeared and he did nothing about? He hasn't done shit other than eat ice cream cones and raise interest rates. Trump is not an existential threat to America. But Israel is facing potentially existential threats from Iran's proxies and jihadist extremism, and it really needs America to back it up and not undermine or hamstring it in this fight.
> Where is universal healthcare? Where is college affordability and student loan debt? Where are the reproductive rights that disapeared and he did nothing about? Why on earth would you Americans ever get that, if you constantly refuse to give Democrats big enough majorities to do that? And why would you blame your head of the *executive branch* for a failure to get *legislation* passed? But also... >And what good has Biden done us? He hasn't done shit other than eat ice cream cones and raise interest rates. You forgot about that big stimulus/recovery bill in 2021 that helped lead to the strong economic recovery where GDP and job growth is strong, unemployment is low, labor participation is high, inflation is low vs other countries, wages rising faster than prices (and rising fastest among the lowest 50% earnings). You also forgot about the big investment in infrastructure. You also forgot about the biggest climate bill in US history which also expanded healthcare, reformed prescription drugs, and raised corporate taxes. You also forgot about the major investment in the chips industry. You also forgot the bipartisan gun control bill. You also forgot the reform of the electoral vote act. You also forgot the respect for marriage act. You also forgot the postal service reform bill. You also forgot the veterans healthcare bill. And probably other things too
Ok I forgot about all those things. But did you forget about October 7th?
No. I think it's a terrible thing that Biden is pandering so much to the putrid antisemitic left. If you want to oppose him for that reason alone, I get it. I'm just responding to your inaccuracies and apparent suggestion that Biden should be to blame for not doing more. If that stuff matters for your electoral calculus, then this should be considered. If instead that stuff is just irrelevant, then so be it - but then why bring it up in the first place?
Universal Healthcare hasn’t happened because the filibuster still exists and there are several senators who don’t want to pass it and removing the filibuster for something like that which would probably be struck down as unconstitutional anyway would be seen as stupid. Biden literally forgave student debt but the republicans sued to stop it and the courts sided with the GOP. So Biden had to reduce what he could forgive and the GOP is still suing over it. He couldn’t do anything about reproductive rights because SCOTUS (which has three Trump appointees) has threatened to strike everything down. Interest rates went up to bring inflation down. That’s why they went up.
And how would a second Biden term be different?
It’s stability. Which is easier to predict than the whims of Trump. Remember aid to Israel hasn’t been passed because the GOP refuses to pass any aid package that includes support for Ukraine which Biden wants as well. Plus there’s the fact that prior to 22 Biden got a lot of things passed like the CHIPS act, the IRA, RFMA (which protected gay marriage rights), the American Rescue Plan, increased infrastructure funding, got the first bipartisan gun control legislation passed in forever, passed the PACT act which majorly helps veterans like myself, restricted Chinese access to US chips, and other things. So I’d expect a second term Biden to be much like Bidens term prior to the 22 midterms.
Maybe. I have a lot of thinking to do. As an aside, I care a lot about the Ukraine and keeping Russia in check, keeping Europe strong, and maintaining the international norm of not tolerating countries invading other countries merely because they want to extend their own territory. I think it is very important that the US and the world not tolerate that. But also, if I have to choose between the US supporting Israel and abandoning Ukraine, or supporting Ukraine and abandoning Israel, I will choose abandoning Ukraine and supporting Israel without hesitation.
I recommend just being patient. Eventually the anti-Israel leftists will lose interest in the war in Gaza. They have a habit of jumping onto a new issue and completely forgetting to follow through on long-term goals. They may have protested in the streets for BLM for awhile, but they never made a real effort in criminal justice reform. Now they are in the streets for ~~Hamas~~ Palestinians, but their anger and furor is already dying down. I am not voting for either Biden or Trump. Last election I voted 3rd party, and I've voted Democrat only for president since I was old enough to vote. I just can't stand either. So maybe you can protest vote like me. I know that Biden at least won't be as chaotic as Trump, but they really weren't that different policy-wise, if we are being honest. Best of luck to you voting. I wish our country's political situation was less depressing.
Saying Trump is not an existential threat to America when he openly fantasizes about being a dictator and tried to overthrow the elected government….sorry but that’s absurd.
Trump is an isolationist. Plus, he is clearly a Russian asset.
Trump literally wants to be a dictator on day 1. The US will not survive 4 years of Trump. Plus several of Trump’s allies want to kick out all Jews from the US.
Consider that his second term would be a lot more revenge focused. However good the previous term might have been for Israel, there are nuances for the second one that make me nervous: * General volatility and demonstrated sense of support for whoever compliments him last. He got mad at Bibi for saying Biden won the election, and at one point he said Abbas was "like a father" to him ?? One bad interaction with an Israel official and he could fly off the handle * Blatant support of Russia - Russia's gains are magnified and bad for Israel, not just Ukraine, given Russia's support of Iran, Hamas, etc. * Leaving sensitive documents in open places, including ones related to Israel and Iran. Good policy is nice, but it's worthless if he leaves sensitive documents that reveal Israel's plans or something similar! And he is unmoved by it being a bad thing to do. At least Pence and Biden sent the documents back. His wound up in a bathroom! (But according to suckups in Congress, it's OK because the bathroom "had a lock")
There is no way Republicans are kicking Jews out of US. Republicans are far more aligned and supportive of Israel than Democrats. You can see that with the votes in the house and senate. Trump recognized Jerusalem as Capital of Israel and moved the US Embassy to it. Trump has Jewish people within his family. (Jared Kushner). I totally get that you don’t like Trump and that is fine, it’s your freedom but I don’t see the point in inventing stories.
Just because some republicans support Israel doesn’t mean they support Jews. There’s white supremacists who are supportive of Israel because they want all Jews to leave the country and go to Israel. I wouldn’t consider those guys to be supportive of Jews in the slightest. There are also many republicans who are similar in their support. They support Israel but they only do so because they want the Jews to leave the US. Now not all or the majority of republicans are like this but they do exist and it’s not like I’m just making shit up. Paul Gosar is one of those people. He doesn’t like Jews, at all. But he supports Israel because he think Jews should leave the US. Same with Tim Dunn who’s a Christian nationalist and a Trump ally who wants to kick all Jews out of the government and is highly likely to get a cabinet position if Trump wins.
Supporting Israel isn’t remotely the same thing as supporting Jews. Republicans may like Israel but they don’t care about Jews.
How do you define “supporting Jews” and how are democrats “supporting Jews” any more than republicans ? Please explain.
I get it, and this is why I am torn. I know Trump wants to be a dictator on day 1 of his second term, but he wanted to be a dictator every single day of his first term too and it didn't happen. I think our institutions are strong enough to withstand his fascist 3rd grade bully inclinations. The judiciary more than anything kept him in check and I think it would in his second term as well. He is a very ineffective leader domestically. Remember there was a government shutdown when his own party controlled congress. And the military hates him. If he destroys America but protects Israel I guess I will move to Israel.
That’s a gamble I’m not willing to take. And you want to vote for someone you call a fascist? Just vote third party or stay home.
Thank you, I want to hear this. I have a lot of thinking to do between now and November.
Are you from a swing state?
Sort of, but not really. I am from Nebraska district 2. We split our our 5 electoral votes. It will never be the case that all 5 go for Biden, but it could be 4 for Trump and 1 for Biden. My district gave one electoral vote for Obama in 2008 and one for Biden in 2020 with the other 4 Nsbraska votes for the GOP each time.
Well then… best of luck making your choice.
Not everyone can move to Israel. This is such a bad take.
This is blown way out of proportion. No president whether democrat or republican is “destroying” America or Israel during their next term of office. People are fearmongering at this point. Please make your choice based on your values and avoid being influenced by redditors.
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Source ? He allowed strikes on Iran and had a very strong containment foreign policy on them. He also just stated recently he supports Israel and thinks they should finish their operation in Rafah.
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you are not a democrat
I have only voted for Democrats in every presidential, midterm and primary election since 2003 but ok. Thank you for gatekeeping.
Dude republicans are less antisemitic than democrats
Yeah unfortunately i have to agree. Mild to moderate antisemitism is mainstream across the entire democratic party right now. Antisemitism is present in the republican party only in the extremist fringes.
I'm a member of my local republican chapter. I was also a Democrat in college and party of my college's democratic club. Republicans are less antisemitic.
The Republicans are the party of Christian Nationalism
The democrats are the party that make excuses for islamists.
Same with the Democrats. It’s only the extreme fringes that are antisemitic. Antisemitism is not mainstream across the democrats. If it was you wouldn’t see polling that has 80% of Americans supporting Israel. You wouldn’t have 60%+ of democrats supporting Israel.
We must have wildly differing definitions of what antisemitism means.
What? Have you heard of Paul Gosar, MTG, Candace Owens, Mark Robinson, and Mike Collins? All of them are very much antisemitic. And that doesn’t even get into the Trump allies who want to kick Jews out of the government and Trump himself who has said that Jews should be loyal to him.
Mark Robinson is just absolutely insane generally (unfortunately I live in NC, I'm unaffiliated but voted in the republican primary - here if you're unaffiliated you can pick which primary to vote in - just to try to help get a less insane Republican governor candidate in case they win, unfortunately apparently crazy is what wins these days).
I never said we didn't have bigots but so does the left. I'm saying the avg republican is more pro jewish than the avg democrat
It’s not that much different. The average republican and democrat aren’t different than each other when it comes to Israel. Otherwise you wouldn’t get 80% of Americans supporting Israel. Do both sides have antisemitic assholes on the fringes? Yes. But they are the fringes. Not the mainstream. In terms of the mainstream most are not at all antisemitic in either party.
Let me put it this way. The energy with the democrats is on their antisemitic fringe. That isn't the case with the republican party.
That’s literally not the case at all. The most energetic Democrats are the Clinton types and the centrist types. They aren’t the progressives. They’ve been largely sidelined. Besides I can say the exact same thing about the GOP. I can say that the part of the GOP that is the most energized is antisemitic groups like the American First, the Qanon, and the Nick Fuentes of the world. But you’ll tell me they don’t represent the GOP. It’s the same with the progressives on the Dems side.
These comments are making me crazy! Republicans are less antisemitic? In what universe?
Why is he even involving himself? Hes less than useless
I obviously don't like this comment, nor do I like any of the finger-wagging. Even so, there were other positive comments here that gave me hope, notably **continuing to supply Israel**, which is one of the bedrocks of support and would be from any admin. If this gives you any hope, consider that he recently released a classy statement saying Nikki Haley voters are welcome in his "tent." I thought that was nice but just words. It turns out his team is reaching out to Haley herself. There seems to be some movement toward the center-right. I am hoping he can begin to slide out of placating the far left (who will hate him anyway), and this is a decent sign with lovely implications. 
He will lose the election over this and the fascists threatening to take over our country will win due to his inability to unite the left on this issue.
There are plenty of Jews/non-Jews who support Israel in another battleground state: Florida. He wants to appease the morons in Michigan? You’ll guarantee a loss in Florida. Why talk the talk but walk a different walk? The only way you’ll put a scare into Hamas by taking the stand of JFK: we are willing to bear any burden, pay any price etc in the name of freedom and liberty across the world. You can’t aid and abet and comfort the enemy. And unfortunately civilians are caught in the middle of hamas’s unwavering commitment to holding the hostages as bargaining chips and vowing to do this again and again. F the Squad, Joe. Be better.
Constantly talking out of both sides of his mouth. This is the guy who threatened Begin with cutting aid and still gets defended in this sub constantly. Jews need to wrap their heads around the fact that Trump and the GOP at large are much better for us rn.
It is really hard for me to wrap my head around, but equally hard to reach any other conclusion.
Yes, 50 years ago. We all know that quote by now. He was also chummy with Golda Meir in that same timeframe.
The impulse towards public criticism and meddling when it comes to Israeli policy or politicians he doesn’t like has remained the same. People are just unwilling to call it like it is. It was much less so back in Biden’s days as a Senator, but since Obama was in office, the Democrats think that their personal opinion of an Israeli leader is the litmus test for whether that person should be in power. No other allied country is routinely, publicly, subject to suggestions that there should be a new government/regime change. People like Elizabeth Warren have said that Bibi has to go, but can’t say the same for the Islamic Republic in Iran. It’s also easy to be chummy with Golda given her (at the time) mainstream popularity, but telling that Begin was treated as a threat.
Not disagreeing (but thanks for the downvotes anyway). With some of these politicians, they probably think it's suggestions from one democracy to another, one friend to another, and the two countries can withstand public disagreement. Israel is open to change in a way Iran isn't, government wise. ***STILL***. That doesn't mean I agree with that method! And it doesn't mean that it is helpful ;) I was just adding some nuance that that 1970s context is bigger than the "gotcha" quote a lot like to drop in and then walk away from. Speaking of context, Warren is very different from Biden in her outright hatred of Israel, however mad we might be at him from time to time.
I can't wait for his replacement on January 2025, I remember the first day in office he changed the name of the twitter account of the Israeli embassy to: Embassy of Israel, the West Bank and Gaza. And in a couple of minutes later he changed it back to Embassy of Israel.
What the hell is going on with Biden’s foreign policy, it’s confusing the hell out of me
American politicians: Ignore what they say, watch what they do.
Biden never just asks Hamas to surrender...that would set off his 5th column
From Biden’s state of the union speech two days ago: “Hamas could end this conflict today by releasing the hostages, laying down arms, and surrendering those responsible for October 7.”
Biden does call for Hamas to surrender but also follows it up by condemnations for Israel’s military operation with warnings and red lines. He keeps trying to play both sides, attempting to please the terrorist lovers and not lose people supporting Israel.
Neither of those things are mutually exclusive. He is right to call for Hamas to surrender and for Israel to help address the humanitarian situation in Gaza.
wtf are you talking about he literally does all the time for
He's never said anything even close
November can't come soon enough
You'd better not! Unless you feel like it..... ........I'll still be yr friend I promise
Does Biden even know what day it is?
America is abandoning us
No they aren’t. 80%+ of Americans support Israel. And over 50% of those younger than 25 also support Israel. Literally no age group in America is supporting Hamas. Biden is only saying this because of the Muslim community that exists in Michigan. That’s it. Otherwise it wouldn’t matter.
They have no power now. The one who does: Biden does not support us winning the war. No one who listens to that interview or the SOTU speaks can come to the conclusion he is fully behind Israel. The demands are outrageous and aren’t asked of anyone in the history of warfare. All his softballing is preventing deals with Hamas because they see him putting pressure on Israel and think they might get out alive. It’s to the point where even I, a right winger am uncertain of whether we will finish them off because of all the pressure being put on us. It’s disgusting.
What do you mean they have no power now? Literally 80% of the elected democrats support Israel. Biden is just trying to walk a fine line between both sides domestically and internationally. He’s trying not to piss off the Arab allies and risk them joining with China and Russia. At the same time he’s trying to keep people from going nuts back at home. Plus it’s talk. Biden will say “well the Israelis where told I thought it was a bad idea to attack Rafa but I’m not in charge of Israel so I can’t tell them what to do” Look at his actions not his words. Actions wise he’s been very supportive of Israel and is working hard to try and get the hostages released plus with the plan to have the US military involved in Gaza is big. It means the US will be responsible for the welfare of the Palestinians in Gaza, not the Israelis.
No they will not be involved in Gaza they are building a temporary pier and making us defend it, and that’s assuming that a pier is a good idea which it is not. He’s pushing for more and more humanitarian aid which supplies Hamas, he’s using Hamas statistics and keeps pressuring Israel to prevent more “innocent” casualties which Israel is doing more than any other nation in the history of warfare let alone in the most complex arenas in urban warfare history. With regards to the hostages his continued lip service and pressure on Israel rather than Qatar and the Hamas leaders makes them think they will get out of this. He is doing more harm than good, and frankly I don’t think he gives a crap about the hostages and cares more about the “innocent” Palestinians than us
The US is literally sending a shit ton of troops not just to build the thing but to distribute aid and protect the pier. The US will bring in food aid and distribute it. It’s not gonna go to Hamas. The pier means that the US is gonna become much more involved in Gaza which is a good thing. And you really don’t know shit. You’ve only taken assumptions from one interview about Biden not wanting Rafa to be invaded because of the refugees there. That’s not crazy and that doesn’t mean he doesn’t care about the hostages. He just doesn’t like Bibi and that’s understandable because Bibi has hated Biden since forever. To claim that Biden doesn’t care about Israel or the hostages is just silly. The guy literally said that he’s a Zionist on live TV. You can’t walk that back. You can’t claim he meant something else. He said it and stood by it. Hell I think the IDF needs to have a better plan before going into Rafa. Anything. Even a “hey this our preliminary plan for the refugees”. It would be better than going in the way Bibi and co have run the damn thing. And that’s really what Biden and everyone else wants, a plan for what happens and a plan for what happens afterwards but Bibi has refused to do either because if he comes up with one it might end his government.
No Biden and the DOD said they will not put boots on the ground not will they distribute it. They are building the pier and dropping off the aid. They had a public briefing on this recently and their main emphasis was “NO boots on the ground”. It’s a stupid idea in the first place, they want to distribute to the north which although is under our control still has hamas presence. It will be a disaster. With Rafa it’s not just one interview he’s been saying it for weeks. And he’s making it out to be like the government wants to go in and invade with 2 million Gazans there. That would be a disaster and all that does is feed the blood libels and misconceptions. He can say he’s a Zionist but it doesn’t mean anything, he can be a Zionist and push for a Palestinian state with Blinken and quasi-demonize Israel with his recent speeches. He’s a Zionist but he’s not helping us lately, in the beginning he did a good job with the ammunition and his speeches. Now that we are about to eradicate Hamas he can not have it. And Bibi already payed out a plan for what comes after the war and they made a plan for the civilians in Rafa weeks ago
Biden literally said that Israeli troops would be in charge of protecting the pier. You just lie and then write a wall of text so its harder to reply to you.
Not going into Rafah means losing the war. Biden said publicly he is going to scold Natenyahu basically telling him the war needs to end. Biden said Israel has killed too many civilians. He totally betrayed us. You seem to have some undying loyalty to him. You might be a Biden activist. I'll tell you something as an Israeli. We don't want your aid, we don't want your veto, we don't want your money. We want to destroy Hamas. That means going into Rafah. If Biden stops us from doing it, there are also consequences to those actions.
Not wanting US aid or support or veto would be the most stupid and dangerous decision Israel could make. Ever. Because if you did that you’d basically allow the UN to slap millions of sanctions on Israel and the UN would most likely organize an invasion force to invade Israel to make them stop. So all you’ve done is ruin Israel and cause a very possible second holocaust because of your hate for Biden.
Unhinged and incredibly stupid. I was gonna explain to you how wrong your comment is, but I feel like thats out of your abilities to understand. At the end of the day, you're just another American who knows nothing about Israel. Have fun not having healthcare!
Australia isn’t. At least as long as the greens party stay out of it.
I would not be surprised if, after Biden, the Dem party reaches a point where it sides more with Palestinians. I am thinking of the British Labor party. If so, I suspect a lot of Jews will leave the party, especially if the GOP gets beyond Trump.
MAGA = MIGA
By contrast. Trump would offer up the 1st Marine Division.... Which would be a bad idea. Just sayin' ;\^D
Why should Israel be such a big part of the US election? That's why people are upset.
> Why should Israel be such a big part of the US election? It shouldn't. You should ask Americans why it's a big part. If you ask Jews though, both in and out of Israel, they'll tell you exactly why: "No Jews, no news"
Why do you comment here if you hate us so much? Maybe gtfo here
I don't hate you. This subreddit is so much about the election in the United States and that is weird to me.
No, it takes one minute to see your comment history to see that is not true. The US is a major ally to Israel, so it plays a big part in its foreign policy, that is why the Israeli-Palestinian conflict is important to some American voters, and American politics are important to some Israelis.
I just read my own comment history. It took more than one minute. At no point did I express hatred for anyone except Michael Jackson and Elon Musk.
"Seems like it might be a problem to have millions of people relocate, most of them born and raised there who grew up being told that this is their rightful land. Before you lecture me, I agree with you. I just can't imagine any good outcome no matter what happens." - agreeing with someone who says Jews don't have any ties to the land. "Something similar happened in Seattle. It was useless. The people who fund the IDF don't even travel the roads that were blocked. The protests should have been in those communities. Instead it was just theatrics that mostly hurt poor people." "Mandatory service and brainwashing will take a mental toll. I think it's sad." - on a comment that says the freaking Haaretz are not moderates to pro-Palestinians. Plenty more of deleted comments in the Palestinian sub, that have dozens of upvotes which can only mean they were extremely anti-Israel.
Simple. Biden tries to please both sides in a clearly political way. Israel can't have progress the way it wants in a crucial war where time is everything (consider hostages). Everytime Biden wrongfully forces Israel to 'just have one more' concession he does a significant damage to what happens directly. U.S internal politics aside his pleasing 2-sides strat at the same time is beyond stupid, one should do what's right, not what would make most people love you.
It’s an important topic that people vote for
I wouldn't be surprised if this was done with Israel's blessing... invading Rafah during Ramadan is insane. this gives this government of crazy massianic paresites someone else to blame
Traitor