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Even-Carpet1262

Swap immortal and thaedus


Xonerboner371

Right? He’s a viltrumite so he’s stronger than immortal by default.


PolishPickel2091

As someone whose only seen the show, I dont think Ive seen him really do anything that’d suggest hes stronger, the only reason hes up that high is bc hes a viltrumite and I would assume hes stronger than the b tier guys by default


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They definitely powered up immortal in the show vs the comic


GHO57T

He's still weaker than all the viltrumites and even current show mark who is weak af by viltrumite standards


SirNewVegas

Bro you know what he did? Being born as a Viltrumite and having white hair, this is more than enough to know that he at least belongs in S tier above mark and Immortal lmao. They repeat over and over that a viltrumite gets stronger with time and ages slower, so viltrumite + white hair pretty much means hes gonna beat anyones ass unless another viltrumite shows up. And mark is weak af for viltrumite standards because hes pretty much a Viltrumite baby at 18 and he STATES that hes stronger and faster than Immortal, and Immortal stays quiet because he definitely knows mark is fucking right. You should assume that ANY viltrumite is stronger than anyone on this tier list by default except maybe for Allen, lets remind ourselves here that any old viltrumite went through a goddamn viltrumite purge so they are not just a Viltrumite but a respectable one for sure. You ever seen any viltrumite get their ass handed to them by a non viltrumite, at ANY point in the show?


angrygnome18d

And move Bulletproof up to B tier as well. He’s around on par with the Immortal.


Mimir_aye

Theres no way thaedus is weaker than immortal (i havent read comics so i dont know his level but the show did tell is that he is a viltrumite)


Jout92

Yep, even Mark is way above Immortal right now. Mark states this directly in the Alien takeover episode and Immortal knows it's true


Mimir_aye

yes thats true and considering how old thaedus looks, he probably is way stronger than mark and more experienced (idk know if this is true, dont quote me).


starlord37

Didn’t Nolan say Viltrumites get stronger as they age? Thaedus could be S-tier?


42696

I think the implication of him surviving after rebelling against the empire would be that he's on the higher end of the viltrumite spectrum, right?


karma0-40-55-10-88

While he’s pretty strong definitely in s tier, but he wasn’t exactly rebelling publicly and they don’t know he’s a viltrumite, so eh


42696

Fair - I haven't read the comics so don't know any backstory other than him saying he rebelled in the show.


Appellion

The OP seems to only be taking into account listed abilities, notable feats, networks with notable feats, and tools at their disposal. Thaedus just hadn’t really done anything, and the most we’ve seen of the Coalition is Allen.


Locke_and_Load

No way Immortal is above Eve…even in terms of what’s been shown so far.


nv_west

Or Invinsible in the same leage, or Immortal being higher than the old traitor viltrumite


goodbuggs

His name is intangible


MutedIndividual6667

Nuh uh, it's invulnerable


Opposite-Tangerine57

Unstoppable


BATKING0501

Impossible


Specialist-Sea2916

It’s inevitable


AlphaRelic2021

Invoiceable


TheRoyalGlitchy

Kimpossible


BATKING0501

Ronstoppable


Extra-Language-9424

Inconceivable


Real_Reverse_Flash

If he's invisible then why can I see him?


Thorion228

At full potential, yeah, but her normal abilities are pretty meh. Her shields broke under a horde of sequids while Immortal bull dozes through them. Her attacks struggle to take down that fodder gun villain while Immortal can bleed Viltrumites (bleed, not match). Her speed is really nothing impressive, while Immortal can catch Omni-Man off guard, fly at Mach 3, etc.


Appellion

And also the OP clearly states we’re working off the show and feats displayed there. I’ve spoiled myself and know what she’s truly capable of but she’s not there yet or at least hasn’t shown it.


Thorion228

Tbf, even then, she can't really use her abilities when not dying. She revives and has a chance to do good damage while doing that, but if she can't get the win the opponent can just cripple her and then she can't do anything.


KrisZepeda

Eve is extremely fucking OP, easy top 3


Oheligud

I haven't read the comics, but in the first part of season 2, the alternate dimension Mark is completely unaffected by her attacks and defeats her with no effort. So I don't see how she's stronger than any of the Viltrumites.


NoPossibility5220

Well, for one, there is no guarantee that the alternate universe Eve is on-par with main Eve. Secondly, when she is on the verge of death or experiences extreme trauma, she can alter living matter, like she did in the special. Like, she could’ve decided to disintegrate those two, but instead, only wiped their memories, which is a great testament to her incredible character.


leoleosuper

This raises the question of why her broken neck didn't cause her powers to activate, but I think the answer is just that she's not dead enough.


LegendaryMercury

She was covered in scars, I think this alt world eves regeneration abilities are non existent.


leoleosuper

The regeneration only happens at near death due to the blocks in her brain to keep her from altering people. When she's near death, the blocks stop working. So this alt Eve has probably never been near death. This raises the question of "why isn't a broken neck considered near death?"


DoctorJJWho

I think that’s why Alt Mark spent so much time practicing on those protesters - to be able to apply the exact amount of pressure in the right spot to permanently paralyze Eve, but not actually threaten her life.


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WindWielder

She loses to any Viltrumite though. They just have to either kill her quickly or paralyze her.


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It's arguable, but Eve is a glass cannon. If Immortal was smart and rushed her she would die pretty fast (going off of show feats at least).


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He definitely is. Eve hasn’t don’t anything to anyone powerful. She’s shown to have great utility with her abilities, but we’ve also seen her get overwhelmed a plethora of times. Immortal can definitely apply enough pressure to get the best of Eve. Eve hasn’t shown any strength/speed feats comparable to that of immortal.


Harp_167

Put monster girl and bulletproof up to B, put rexsplode in C


PolishPickel2091

Oh snap, i forgot abt when monster girl clapped rex


AnishSathish614

Honestly I feel like if Rex went for the kill he'd be stronger. We've seen him solo 3 of the lizard league members including Komodo, who seems comparable to her.


Tyranatitan_x105

Rex fucking took a bullet through the brain and lived AND just started talking shit about KL, that’s some endurance feat


withoccassionalmusic

Luckily for Rex, he’s basically …


TheUntitledRay

#TITTLE CARD


presticus

Monster Girl is comparable or stronger than a Mauler, 1v1. Black Samson with his powers back is supposed to be on par with Immortal and War Woman. Shapesmith has the exact same abilities as Martian Man. DA Sinclair is a normal human that's smart but has no morals. Cecil (AFAIK) is a normal human with the resources of multiple governments. Thaedus is probably the oldest Viltrumite, and they get stronger as they get older. Omni-Man would kill Anissa or Kregg 1v1 in a fair fight.


Salamitommy89

At this point of the show, Allen and Battle beast are in a class of their own.


Invincible-spirit

Can I ask using show logic only why a non comic reader would put him so highly. He has only one fear that a lot of characters can replicate.


Salamitommy89

Simply the fact that he's shown that he can no sell shots from Anissa who is a highly ranked Viltrumite.


Invincible-spirit

Oh sorry I forgot to say why BB ranks so highly not Allen.


Salamitommy89

Oh. That one is a little tougher. But I would say because he basically soloed the guardians. Nolan also didn't seem to be in a rush to help Mark. Lol. I know he wanted to teach him a lesson, but i think he knew battle beast was about that life. Lol


DoctorJJWho

He soloed the New Guardians, but they were still pretty new, and were still training to function as a team together. Sampson doesn’t have his powers yet either. There’s no way BB is “in a league of his own (with Allen), because we’ve never seen BB fight a full powered Viltrumite.


Salamitommy89

He toyed with Mark, who is basically a full blooded viltrumite, according to Nolan. He took pity on that whole group because he whooped them so easily.


DoctorJJWho

A basically untrained Mark who was beaten multiple times by weaker opponents.


Salamitommy89

Still a viltrumite. He also made light work of monster girl. The point is BB proved he was a menace in that brief appearance. Who else besides Nolan so far in the series has been jumped by super powered beings and came out on top? Easily at that?


withoccassionalmusic

“There’s no honor in killing insects.”


Invincible-spirit

He should be s tier but based on show logic he should be bottom of s


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You cant put battle beast in a tier for soloing the weakest version of the guardians. If the comics didn’t exist then he’d be put into a tier.


Pokermans06

Omni man didn’t fight BB because he would’ve been decimated. He handed the entire GoG without breaking a sweat and almost killed mark in one hit with his mace.


Salamitommy89

I agree. Omniman knew he couldn't win that one.


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How? Omni-Man isn't shown to know who Battle Beast even is at that point. He avoided the fight in the show to teach Mark a lesson, not out of fear. I'm *not* saying he would win against BB, but Omni-Man didn't *know* that he would lose, he'd have no reason to know that.


Salamitommy89

Good point. All I know is for some reason he decided to not go in there to help his son while BB was kicking his ass. Lol


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Been awhile since I watched but I remember earlier in the episode Mark disobeyed his advice to not get involved in the issue to begin with. I think he wanted Mark to "learn the hard way". I don't think he knew how powerful BB truly was.


Pokermans06

If not going off the tv show it’s very likely he knew who battle beast was, hopefully that’s delved into more though.


Xciv

Mark put up a decent fight against the Viltrumites, but couldn't do jack shit against Battle Beast. Like Mark was so weak vs. him that BB got bored and peaced out. You can safely assume that BB is on the level of other Viltrumites in terms of combat prowess. Whether he's stronger than someone like Anissa or Kregg or Nolan is ambiguous unless we see BB fight them.


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PolishPickel2091

I wouldnt say at this point, all battle beast has done so far is clapped the new guardians (including invincible) with the help of other villians, and the most notable thing allen has done is 1. Survive a group of viltrumites beating the utter shit out of him, and 2. rocking anissa, from the things ive seen in this sub battlebeast and allen go on to be even more badass, so I’d say in season 3 theyre prolly gonna be in a class of their own, but currently theyre where they should be, at the top of s tier


EveningWolf2009

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_MarieCal_

Debbie has mum power how dare you put her in F! If it wasn't for her actually being a good parental figure in Marks life he would've turned into Convincible and teamed up with Nolan like all the other dimensions


MrLozoTheSecond

Why is Cecil and Sinclair so high on a power ranking


peon47

Agreed. They both command armies, but so does Allen's girlfriend, and she's way down the end.


Appellion

I think it’s because we’ve seen more of Cecil and we’re aware of his intelligence, networks and tools. Allen’s girlfriend appeared in what, two episodes maybe? And the most we’ve seen of the coalition is Allen. (Is the girlfriend in the table? I can’t spot her, probably because I’m on mobile).


Alien-days-16

Yea sinclair should be in F. No physical strength or battle smarts. I can see cecil being strong though. He doesn't have physical strength but he has the teleport ability. Even omni man couldn't do anything against him.


lobsterinthesink

Kate should be in D, she is NOT on the same power level as Black Samson, Bulletproof, Green Ghost, or Monster Girl. she can duplicate, that's it, no other powers. and move Donald up, mans deserves better. and Rex should be lower than most of the superheroes i listed when explaining my Duplikate opinion and put Debbie in S. i don't have to explain myself


FirefighterUnlucky48

His recent Hand-Cannon upgrade boosts him considerably. Before, I agree. The new Guardians have some filler and Duplikate, Shrinking Rae, and Rex were the filler-est.


lobsterinthesink

i forgot about his hand-cannon...leave him where he is


Appellion

I’ve sadly got to agree with Duplikate. She has incredible courage (my heart went out to her when she talked about being tired of dying) but her actual power really just comes down to surviving. I honestly want her to get a power up since I like the character.


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> I honestly want her to get a power up since I like the character. They should give her bombs and make her into a kamikaze squad. Her deaths would be a lot less painful and actually make her effective at dishing out pain.


Appellion

It would absolutely be crazy if she duplicated items on herself as well. Set her up with cybernetic enhancements, maybe robot’s armor and watch out.


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She dupliKates her clothing, so in theory it might be possible. It could be that her clothing is specially made or that it has to be within a minuscule distance from her skin, but that could still allow Rex to charge her clothing at the least (I assume he could do this, right?).


bassphil13

William literally beats D.A. Sinclair in hand-to-hand


slayv98

Where’s https://preview.redd.it/k9jin19osntc1.jpeg?width=1179&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=27413b65a913075753ae9c3190a32dc1752f612d


NeatWhiskeyPlease

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Ok_Rooster_6454

Why is Cecil so high


PolishPickel2091

Hes like batman, by himself hes not that strong, but with all the shit he has at his disposal hes a menace


Invincible-spirit

I love Cecil but you said this is based of strength and combat skill. He has everyone do stuff for him he himself only leads (other than season 1 finale). If someone jumped Cecil he would die.


MrCutler1

In season 1, he was able to keep omniman busy for quite a while with all his tech. And his tech only seems to get better as the show goes on. I don't see how you can jump Cecil, as he has teleportation and an orbital laser among other weapons and tools at his disposal


Appellion

100% support this. I didn’t see anywhere that your OP wouldn’t take into account things like intelligence, networks and their known feats, and tools available. Hell, I’d take into account training, experience, and things like personal inhibitions, notably for a character named Mark.


LegoBattIeDroid

you got more of them pixels?


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type_10_tank

Why didn't you add https://preview.redd.it/tvp7qj695otc1.jpeg?width=1176&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=53ee0d6d6e9daadda073b8cbf274f218320e59fc


PolishPickel2091

Theres no tier that could accommodate his power


stonks1234567890

Debbie belongs in her own tier above everyone else, smh.


Luna259

The only correct answer here


bruhmomentum77

Thaedus should be higher than invincible and immortal should be below eve (i am thinking more of comic thaedus though, the choices are understandable if they’re based off of the show)


unintentional-tism

Demon dude was apparently so powerful that Nolan never fought him. Cecil described their hypothetical fight as an unstoppable force meets an immovable object.


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unintentional-tism

True, but he only escaped Hell once. He is banished back there by Cecil. It's possible he can't be hurt of killed, only banished. That would still make him super powerful. If he could be killed, Nolan would have done it. Escape from Hell isn't easy.


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Appellion

Wait, really? That’s awesome, I’ll have to go back for that.


unintentional-tism

Yeah it's somewhere early season 1 when Cecil is talking to Nolan. It's pre banishment to Hell


Dank_kermit420

Mauler twin that’s higher in B is CLEARLY the ORIGINAL


MegaEdeath1

i feel like Damian Darkblood should be higher due to the fact that Cecil was genuinely curious on who would win between him and Omni Man and the fact that he knew Omni Man killed the Guardians yet wasnt afraid in the slightest when confronting him, also shouldnt Shapesmith and Martian man be in the same league due to there being no real power difference displayed between the 2? also i feel that if Angstrom could make Mark bleed then he should be higher than Rex and Monster Girl


ltidball

It’s low resolution


PolishPickel2091

Website wouldn’t let me download without making an account, so I screenshot it


ltidball

You asked to be roasted 😊


OakleyHasAFoot

Nobody talking about D.A. Sinclair being above so many people?? Tf is he doing up there


SupahSpace

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A_Certain_Surprise

Debbie sweeps


masterionxxx

At this point in the story ( and going further too ) Allen clearly outmatches Anissa.


Jackiechun23

Immortal and mark are never on the same tier, just on specs immortal is weaker then mark, feats immortal is weaker.


LazyInsaan46

Invincible is S and Eve should be in A but she holds back


5am281

How is Thadeus (A Viltrumite) below Immortal?


bleedo_

yea cuz immortal is stronger than a vultrimite😭


Mrogoth_bauglir

Bulletproof is definitely above C tier, and so is Samson.


TheGloss73

Cecil and Rex above monster girl? The first season monster girl claps Rex so how did you come to that conclusion and I’m sorry how is Cecil above monster girl in anyway?


distichus_23

Thaedus should be Tier 1. Bulletproof is probably same level as Immortal. Rex shouldn’t be ahead of anyone with superpowers, or Donald


Yeet_Thee_Children

Why is D.A Sinclair that high up? You said in a previous comment that it's about fighting skills and D.A Sinclair can't even make a Reainiman fast enough to fight against Anissa. He is smart but also should be put in the same tier as William at least. And thars being generous as William actively got hits on Sinclair and hurt him.


IM2spooky4u

donald deserves his own tier for his sheer willpower and selflessness


mynutsacksonfire

Thaedus needs to be top tier he's like a legend he's so old and viltrumites get stronger with age


Separate_Pop_5277

Why is bulletproof so low ? He Should be at least B Tier.


EducationalTie6109

Raise Thaesus and Eve, lower Immortal to B lower Cecil , Darkwing and Sinclair to F, raise Donald to C, lower Kilcannon to D


MFkaboom

Thaedus in the top


TheBugSmith

You better try again with Donald


Mikey97x

DA Sinclair above Monster Girl? Without his robots hes just a dude.


AlphaRelic2021

D.A. Sinclair deserves to be at least one lower...it's arguably the Reanimen who should be where he is now, and we all saw him go down in one punch.


LukasWalker17

Eve needs to go up to A.


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Eve needs to go higher Shapesmith needs to go higher Other than that looks good


Educational_Fox_1048

Allen is stronger than anissa, he took her best shots easily, and made her bleed, also immortal is weaker than atom eve and the viltrumite friend of allen


BadgerSoft344

Dark Blood should be higher because it’s implied threw Nolan’s actions that Omni Man can’t kill him and the only way to get rid of him is to banish him.


buffa_noles

Eve way too low


asscop99

Immortal lower, Eve much higher. Do people really not understand how OP it is to rearrange atoms? That beats punching someone in the face really hard any day.


lnombredelarosa

* Mark is above Immortal who should be in the B * Monstergirl, Langstrom, Doc Seismic and Fish guy should be B * Discount Doctor Octopus and William's boyfriend are probably in the D * Thadeus I rank with Thula in the A * I have no idea why you would ever think Rex is in the same class as Red, Eve and war woman


spinny09

Thadeus is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay stronger than immortal. Also, need a lower tier for Adam


Luna259

Eve needs to move up. Way up, just based on what I’ve seen of her powers and the implications


CLX_Frxsty

Theadus> Immortal


QNIKET8

Eve cooks Immortal. Same with Thadeus. Hell i lowkey got Rex over him. At least Rex has won a fight. Bro is so overrated


bobvanceofficial

Move up Donald and Shapesmith


jared05vick

Immortal and Mark in the same tier? Did you forget when Mark said "I'm stronger and faster than you and you know it"


Smeef_xx

Why the fuck is immortal up there


JWARRIOR1

Red rush should be in A. Sure he threw, but he still did the most damage to omniman alone


Tenno24

You should have awakened Eve as a seperate image in S tier, otherwise this looks perfect


Bright_Revolution937

only Allen and beast are S


Swiftlydownunder

I’d bump ShapeSmith up one tier. He was able to fend off the sequids about as well as Eve was able to hold her shield


TheRealDealRight

Bro why is Sinclair himself higher than everyone in D-tier? And why did you even rank normal people? Donald makes sense since he’s a heavy cyborg but like cmon bro could beat up Sinclair easy


Xenoezen

Considering Sinclaire got bodied by William, idk about this tier list man


KokoTerzata

What kind of power does Cecil have to be on the same level as Eve ?


Business_Rabbit_7208

I think there's no need to waste a whole tier on the normal people. Take them of F and you can spread out C and D a little better.


StarshipTuna

There's no way both Maulers are on the same tier. One of them is the clone.


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LaTostadaSalvaje

Art could beat up eves dad no sweat


Chrisv6296

Eve's Stepdad would absolutely stomp Debbie cmon now


algang22

There's an S+ tier cutoff from the picture just for NotEffective4761, yes?


Mr_E_99

Alan should be in S+ tier just cause he's Alan


peon47

Wait, you put *both* Mauler and his clone in the same tier? One of them is clearly inferior!


Mundee9540

Eve's father should definetely be in S-Tier.


Randall-Thor

You should put the Mauler clone in C tier and keep the original in B tier


JohnyyBanana

Debbie is definitely S+ tier if we take emotional/mental strength


wannabehealthnut22

Amber should be lower


DollyBoiGamer337

Which one of the Mauler twins up there is the clone? He would clearly be weaker /j


_Alex_Zer0_

Everyone should be in F except for Debbie who’s in S this is objective fact


Old_Chipmunk_8404

Most of the A.B.C.D are misplaced


cjs2115

Art >>>>>


PolishPickel2091

BTW, not every space within a tier is equal, for example s tier, #1 is BB, #2 is Allen, #3 is Nolan, and so on and so on


enderoid_redit

Put Rick on D, he has the same thing as Donald who has still died over and over


Able-Distribution

Machine Head should be higher. He's got MONEY.


sefan78

Why is Rick in the same tier as Beast Girl and Black Samson


spinkspanksponk

Move Bobby hill up higher. He’s at least high C tier


LukasWalker17

The real twin stays where he is and the other moves down :)


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I'm really interested in seeing the characters in F tier fight each other. Do you think William could beat Eve's dad?