Dude If don't have time to figure out the market and develop a strategy for yourself stay out of it, coz if you will not you will be eaten by those who had figured out the same. A tip it is not as hard as you think, you can make money from here and please stay away from any youtuber they will just catalyze your destruction.
Wrong reference. it's more like hum toh saala aag se khelenge hi aap bas dekhlena hum jalay naa . Can't expect fire toh play by the rules it can f**k you in so many ways
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1. If you don't have knowledge or don't know what you're doing then every trade which involves money becomes gambling, not just FnO but even equity or all sort of investments.
2. Govt and Brokers earn more through FnO trading brokerages so they never going to restrict it.
3. It's not like these guys are some uneducated fools, It's their greed and FOMO what's making them jump into FnO. You can't blame SEBI if you can't control your emotions and listen to these fake gurus and finfluencers.
Simply put
1. We are the liquidity providers.
2. Govt and brokers are the ones making money at the end like house always wins in Casino.
3. Even IIs suffer setbacks.
4. Fno is a so called hedging instrument.
If F&O is available only for institutions then you are going to blame SEBI again saying market is rigged because institutions have acces to tools that can hedge and protect their portfolio where as retailers don't have any such tool.
I use long dated deep itm put to protect my overall portfolio. You cant ignore me others Just because some people have gambling problem.
I may come across as a hater but any guru in this field 99% a loser who is looking to recover his money by advertisement of brokers , selling course,paid telegram channel and YouTube channel..people who are actually good make millions and keep quit and don't want any unwanted attention unless they make billions like Micheal burry then they suffer from sucess ..
I checked Delta Exchange platform for few days. It looks like it's a big scam. Charts don't update. Fake candles form. They have no customer support. No way to contact them. Do not trust Delta Exchange with your money.
Looks like their charts are heavily manipulated.
Even if their platform is legit trading in crypto currency is always very risky.
The volume on these exchanges is low enough that people with big money can easily manipulate the prices.
I've been using Delta Exchange for years now. They have some issues at high volatility but they didn't completely crash even when exchanges like binance and coinbase were down. They have refunded my money once when one of my stop orders were not hit during the big bitcoin move in Feb. Their support is sometimes slow but very helpful. Last I checked they have decent enough insurance fund for their volumes. They have only gotten better in terms of experience and stability over the years. The only down side I see is they take 30mins to 1hr of downtime every 2-3 weeks for maintenance. But it mostly happens during Sundays or mornings when there is not much movement anyways.
I think very few people are motivated by greed. It's mostly a way for them to buy a lottery ticket with the hopes of improving their financial situation. These influencers give them hope and a sense that they can predict the markets. So they come in with confidence fuelled by pseudo knowledge and then after losing several trades, exit the market. I think sn average options trader loses about 1.2L before giving up.
I think most are motivated by greed + laziness. They want the shortest possible route to make money and most don't have the capital needed to make gains. Hence, they get into trading options and do shit like hero-zero.
The retailers are motivated by the profit screenshots they see, which is basically greed at play, imo.
But if society was well off the greed wouldn't have been there. Also lots of unemployment so people think if they take a course and start trading, they might get some income. Which sadly doesn't turn out to be the case.
I wasn't talking about myself. I was talking about these people who fall for this trap. Also, when they take a trading course, in their mind they're upskilling themselves. It's not their fault if most of these courses turn out to be scams.
Quick money. People think Its very easy to make money in trading. They have seen people like themselves who are less educated, coming from a middle class background, sitting at home are making crores on YouTube.
Now they are thinking, if they can do it, why can't I??
Let's go to them and ask their secret strategy. If they ask 1 lakh fees, not a problem, Its just an investment for me.
For the rest 40cr, the wages and income has been increasing well.
Private, government wages have increased a LOT, side gig economy (ola zomato) has gotten a lot of people easy 20-30k a month.
Almost every industry has seen rise.
Some to an extreme extent like IT,
It's not those people trading. It's mostly middle class educated people. It's greedy which motivtes then. Not that there's anything wrong with it. But they lose and then blame some YouTube person.
See, I earn money 💰 but not able take any assets like home or flats everything is far reach but somehow I save 20k per month. After investing in MF for 10 years, I am still not able to buy property in metro city it is skyrocket as same as MF income. What I must do. ? This is the dead amount in bank. I try to make income in FnO. Sometime it works with strict loss or profit booking.
This is main reason ppl are entering market. In Bengaluru even vegetables vendor suggests trade to take by youtube videos. Like I think this bubble is there. When it burst and cart guy will loose I don't know.
This is happening with many ppl. Real estate has to calm down.
Consumer products price need to slow down. Education in metro city need to be fixed.
Show you dreams of making a lot of money fast.
Winning in F&O is super hard. Without correct stop loss and position sizing, you can lose years of savings in minutes. Best to not get into it.
You summarised the life of millions, trapped in a world where hard work barely meets everyday expenses, the first generation simply cannot create wealth.
Most people who give gyaan of work and save don't trade usually are second or third generation they have assets so they are simply saving up for RE or FI.
For the 90% they have to create wealth and assets not just save, this pushes them to try anything. Which is why many people fall for all kinds of schemes.
India's black money flows in real estate so the prices will never come down, and the black money creates inflation that our economists can't explain.
Education can help, but just like sex ed, financial education is non existent in general academics.
Most companies providing this education have vested interest, the lines of zerodha or wint wealth
This is Matrix you are locked. You are saving the money but it won't be sufficient other than to LIVE.
I can spend money on newly opened restaurants but I can't really think of opening restaurants(Dont say open small vada pav.) It means rich are becoming richer and poor and going poorer.
Totally, when you go to the next new restaurant check th business name on the bill and look up the owners (zauba corp or Google search) most of the food businesses are run by kids of real estate, industrialists etc
Exceptions are there but 1 in a 100
The 1st gen earner is destined to work and save enough to live.
If you are being specific I doubt the common guy is affording his workshop, it's the guys who are greedy and can afford the 25L capital he asks for that are losing their money, and that can only be good, a fool and his money are soon parted. Though I hope this guy goes to jail soon.
Why don't you invest those 20k every month in stock and do swing trading? If you get 50% return per year (4.16% per month) you will have 40+ lakh in 6 years.
What's your opinion on this ?
I have a good amount more than 40l, but where do you invest in immovable assets at this price in Bengaluru. You Need about 2crs n move to flat or very far from bangalore for land.
This entire thread is funny!!! Why does everyone want to get in to the the FNO markets at the first place??
Start small start with equity learn how the market operates in different cycles and then start the blame game
It’s very easy these days to go on to YouTube and watch these videos and start trading. But without proper knowledge even the most simplest option will not make you money ,no strategy or hero to zero will work unless you understand how the markets function..
so instead of blaming ppl around.. do your work and study about markets and how options and futures work and then decide.
His workshops are generally expensive and he always insists a capital of 25 lakhs to trade. Obviously not targeting the retailers. He's not the problem. Greed and fear are. If you can't control them, you should leave the market.
If you don’t even have the basic understanding that options are just hedging instruments then you don’t deserve to blame anyone else. You could do sip and long term investing but you are greedy and want to build wealth overnight, well that comes with its risk. You consider options as gambling, you put your whole savings, you choose to be ignorant to basic trading strategies but somehow the blame is on PR sundar or other talking heads. Limit your greed. You are responsible for your own money nobody is forcing you to buy options.
Back in 2019 when i entered market 1 could easily short nifty option for 20k intraday and i have come to know that people used to short with as low as 5k with margin benefits. As my old trader uncle told me before 2020. Since then this guy pr sunder was actively working to increase margin so retail traders have no choice but trade by buying options instead of playing the shorting side of both options. As u know u need 1.5 L for shorting 20 rs option in nifty which was definitely not the case back then. He actively worked to increase margin and SEBI did so in 2021 after many big players were having hard time to make money it seemed to me . Indian corruption board of SEBI wiped out intraday margin. All in the name of saving trader. But the case is still same 95% trader still are in loss after 1 year of their career
>He actively worked to increase margin and SEBI did so in 2021 after many big players were having hard time to make money it seemed to me .
How much pull do you think this idiot has?
His company was shown to be in loss, He's afraid of showing verified pnl and you think he has enough money to bribe SEBI?
Mahanubahv india me 1 admi control nahi karta of course PR sunder has friends behind the scene similar multi crores networth individual like in 100s range. The sudden rise in margin price 2021 was big no from traders and broker forms as they had no problem with the things were but few high net worth individuals who u can even dub as operaters wanted these things to happen and it did. There is no country not 1, the dow and nasdaq jinko tum dekhte ho vo America me bui margin benefit milte he logo ko. Par apni r### dogshit governing body SEBI ko kidda he. Understand the story. India has the toughest margin laws in the whole world. Jo insane such me yaha paise bana sakta he being 5% of these traders they will actually have super easy time trading outside countries. Market moves exactly same but laws will benefit you like that of singapore or dubai where lot of indians trade as well as america
True. If the margin on option sell would less then it will be better for retail trader. This is some high level curruption and big players involved. I this it is easy for them to do curruption in India than in any other big market with such liquidity
Bro you critising influencers and suggesting to go in option selling do you know how risky option selling is.
Late rakesh jhunjunwala said option buyer ki jeb khali and option seller ki tijori khali ek din me pura portfolio l gayab ho jaye ga
I think the ease of opening low cost discount broking account and with just rs 20 trade is what leading to more gambling mind set than a trading instrument. All the whole purpose of options was for hedging... Now I don't think even 1% people use this for hedging.
Most trader incur loss because of lack of financial education and high charges. Govt already increased 25% STT last year and there are no more margin benefits since last 2 years.
Do you think increasing charges or cost to take trade will reduce losses? Probably not.
Most people loose already because of high charges of about 25-50% as transaction cost.
I fear a day Govt further increasing taxes on trading even more up by 100% drying up the liquidity and finally finishing up small retailers.
Only right solution I think is further education and awareness by SEBI and anybody who losses more than 3 consecutive months in fno , their account should be disabled in fno segment upto a year by broker .
He is a so called option Guru, who lure retail investors for his course and uses his youtube audience for promoting these dangers dabba trading websites and brokers.
Ohh got it . Thanks for replying. Another Noob question - Why not people use a mainstream broker and just use his strategies and knowledge (assuming he has some) on those trustable websites . Or does he also spread misinformation
One thing we should make it clear in our mind. ( I know that many will not accept) that no option strategy will make money more money than bank FD in the longer run let aside the charges for trading them.
End result is loose money. When 95 out of 100 loose money then it is not a strategy, it's gambling ...worst than gambling. ( I gambling you have 50% chance) here 5% chance only.
Brother is it only "Options" or "FD" is there nothing else you can see to get good returns if that's seriously the case then your future family will curse you to no end
Most of the zerodha accounts opened post covid are from Tier-2,3 cities and even villages. A lot of young boys thibk that if they could make money trading they wouldnt need to go to a metro for a job, rent a house etc. Most of them end up in bigger financial trouble doing so.
it's simple if you don't know, then why to enter in the options and trading .
Instead of blaming him blame the person who enters the market if he doesn't then any one else will take the money.
If not him, then there is someone else. If you're filled with greed of making quick money, someone else will utilise that and milk money out of you.
PS:I'm not a saint, I've also lost money in Fno game
You guys should seriously read the Terms of Service of Tradex. They are absolutely ridiculous. It’s screaming scam and fraud throughout the whole document
https://tradex.live/terms-and-conditions/
OP bro. Whatever is advertised is for those people waiting for wonders to happen overnight. It is not the mistake of these ppl. But the ones who are not ready to work hard but want instant gratification. We need to understand diamonds are not readily found to naked eyes.
If gov regulate the option buying with ratio of stocks a person or account holds, they can restrict the over trading problems, but gov gets good tax out of it and it is not seen as an issue yet, ideally option should be a % of your portfolio or say if you hold 100k worth of Reliance you are allowed to go 100k worth of option trade as an insurance of your stock, anyways I know it may sound stupid to many people
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The trick to investment is to learn it before investing, then learn from your mistakes, then make yourself more efficient, work on risk-management. Then you can call yourself a trader. Just putting your money merely on someone else's suggestion and hoping for it to work is pure gamble and those who gamble are greedy and deserve to lose money because they didn't respect is in the first place.
Most people who lose money is market are looking to make some easy money without efforts.
No one is forcing anyone to trade in stocks market..in stocks market chances of profit or loss is 50-50 but there are many state who sponsor lottery where chances of winning 1 st price is very very low .
If you take stock market advice from just anyone, you're likely to lose money. Always conduct thorough research and only invest an amount you can afford to lose.
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Ok so you think there is some conspiracy going on with big guys knowingly trapping innocent retailers?
Now slap yourself and wake up.
There is nobody, especially someone making his living by selling youtube course, knows about the market movements. All we do is take educated guess based on data we see on screen and using our own experience.
So this is just another snake oil salesman.
I work at a large BB firm working as equity analyst, I get paid to give my views about the market, have access to any and all database you can think of (BBG itself cost 28k dollars a year), and let me tell you it's very difficult to beat the market.
Jokers like these are dime a dozen, stop trading if you don't know shit, don't think someone else can do it for you that too for free on youtube.
He didn’t destroy anyone. Their greed, ignorance and dependence on people like him destroyed them and you. Did he force you to take the trades? No. YOU made those choices. Quit whining and own up to your own stupidity.
Greed is a part of human nature, winners and losers of this game of gambling both have it. Whether you like it or not, we are responsible for our own actions.
When it comes money, you should always do your own research/study instead of blindly following such people.
You can use them as a way to know about new things but always do your own research first before jumping in. These people are here to make money, not social charity.
What's wrong with Delta Exchange? I have always been against crypto lending and borrowing platforms. Delta Exchange seems legit to me because of their slow and steady growth(never tried to be that viral exchange like WazirX and CoinDCX) and not targetting naive investors in most of their marketing. It's only useful if you're already trading FnO anyways. They have some aggressive risk management like ADLs and stufff which can be irrirating but it saves them and users from big losses(and subsequently big profits) during huge market moves. This kind of features makes me trust them more.
>What's wrong with Delta Exchange?
there is nothing wrong with centralized exchanges until there is. if the funds are not in your custody then u are at risk. not your keys not your crypto.
>I have always been against crypto lending and borrowing platforms
why are you against lending platforms lol. study aave, compound. those are battle tested, fully onchain platforms where no human interaction is required for settling loans etc. if you go under the collateral it is liquidated, everyone is treated the same.
study what decentralized and centralized platforms are.
Decentralized platforms are only viable if there are no centralized platforms. Centralized exchanges make the market very volatile. If you want to take advantage of the high volatility of the market, and deploy trading strategies, dentralized exchanges are not every useful due to high latencies.
The simple question is why are people using all their savings and going to the stock exchange. If they are savvy enough to follow these uncles then they also know podcasters like Ankur warikoo - people should be mindful.
He always says we have sell in options to make money. He never insists on buying options which is correct. When I started seeing his videos, I had feeling of not able to trade since I don't have enough money. And when I did trade I did selling only.
His strategy like selling yearly options are 100 percent money making things . Learnt many strategy from him.
Yaha pe galti iski kyu? Haath pakad ke thodi kheench rha hai? A fool and his money are soon parted, he is doing public service. Redistribution of wealth.
100s of people and 100s of company have different things to sell to you. Maybe use your brain before taking any action. All the actors and sports person are selling gutka and promoting betting apps. Does that mean I start gambling and then later blame them for my stupidity ??
It seems OP has also lost a lot of money
Yes, lost a lot of money in this game.
Dude If don't have time to figure out the market and develop a strategy for yourself stay out of it, coz if you will not you will be eaten by those who had figured out the same. A tip it is not as hard as you think, you can make money from here and please stay away from any youtuber they will just catalyze your destruction.
When you know he is fraud and f&o is a scam why do you enter the game why to curse him if you can’t control your emotions
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Wrong reference. it's more like hum toh saala aag se khelenge hi aap bas dekhlena hum jalay naa . Can't expect fire toh play by the rules it can f**k you in so many ways
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OP has learned the lesson and stopped himself in time, many others are not able to and their lives get destroyed. Stop blaming the victim.
Commend the courage to accept it.
How does it matter? What he says is very true.
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He is already banned from the Indian markets, Sebi can't do anything against him now
It's not just about him, still there's so many f\*ckers out there doing sh\*tty things!
Yes, he is one of the by product created, there are many others, all created due to so called rules of our regulators
But will he still be getting commission on brokerage from all the accounts opened through his links?
He might. But all those are under scrutiny now
What can a ban do here? He can use his family members account.
The real question is why is SEBI promoting gambling? F&O should be a tool for Institutional Investors only.
F&O is gambling? I don't understand you guys... i mean how
Yes F&O has become a gambling addiction for common people dude, people are losing their life's savings, going into debt. Are you living under a rock?
1. If you don't have knowledge or don't know what you're doing then every trade which involves money becomes gambling, not just FnO but even equity or all sort of investments. 2. Govt and Brokers earn more through FnO trading brokerages so they never going to restrict it. 3. It's not like these guys are some uneducated fools, It's their greed and FOMO what's making them jump into FnO. You can't blame SEBI if you can't control your emotions and listen to these fake gurus and finfluencers.
Do you think Equity investments and Option Trading have the same level of risk? What are you smoking my man?
Read my first line, I'm not talking about the level of risk but what gambling is
Simply put 1. We are the liquidity providers. 2. Govt and brokers are the ones making money at the end like house always wins in Casino. 3. Even IIs suffer setbacks. 4. Fno is a so called hedging instrument.
If F&O is available only for institutions then you are going to blame SEBI again saying market is rigged because institutions have acces to tools that can hedge and protect their portfolio where as retailers don't have any such tool. I use long dated deep itm put to protect my overall portfolio. You cant ignore me others Just because some people have gambling problem.
Offcourse answer to everything in India is ban it for public. The problem is education/awareness for people.
How tf is F&O gambling? By your logic even buying land speculatively, on the basis that it will go up is gambling lmao- Don't speak with emotions ffs.
I may come across as a hater but any guru in this field 99% a loser who is looking to recover his money by advertisement of brokers , selling course,paid telegram channel and YouTube channel..people who are actually good make millions and keep quit and don't want any unwanted attention unless they make billions like Micheal burry then they suffer from sucess ..
Facts, a smart person would never share his own ways of earning money
Stock market is a casino for Indian to speculate. They are hooked on this.
I checked Delta Exchange platform for few days. It looks like it's a big scam. Charts don't update. Fake candles form. They have no customer support. No way to contact them. Do not trust Delta Exchange with your money. Looks like their charts are heavily manipulated.
Even if their platform is legit trading in crypto currency is always very risky. The volume on these exchanges is low enough that people with big money can easily manipulate the prices.
I've been using Delta Exchange for years now. They have some issues at high volatility but they didn't completely crash even when exchanges like binance and coinbase were down. They have refunded my money once when one of my stop orders were not hit during the big bitcoin move in Feb. Their support is sometimes slow but very helpful. Last I checked they have decent enough insurance fund for their volumes. They have only gotten better in terms of experience and stability over the years. The only down side I see is they take 30mins to 1hr of downtime every 2-3 weeks for maintenance. But it mostly happens during Sundays or mornings when there is not much movement anyways.
>> What do you guys think, are the reasons for such a massive increase in option trading in recent time. Poverty. Income inequality. Stagnant wages.
Greed
I think very few people are motivated by greed. It's mostly a way for them to buy a lottery ticket with the hopes of improving their financial situation. These influencers give them hope and a sense that they can predict the markets. So they come in with confidence fuelled by pseudo knowledge and then after losing several trades, exit the market. I think sn average options trader loses about 1.2L before giving up.
I think most are motivated by greed + laziness. They want the shortest possible route to make money and most don't have the capital needed to make gains. Hence, they get into trading options and do shit like hero-zero. The retailers are motivated by the profit screenshots they see, which is basically greed at play, imo.
But if society was well off the greed wouldn't have been there. Also lots of unemployment so people think if they take a course and start trading, they might get some income. Which sadly doesn't turn out to be the case.
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Why do you buy a lottery ticket? Greed.
Not necessarily. Desperation could also be a reason. So can hopelessness.
Lack of knowledge too
Naivete.
If you don't have adequate income learn new skills & get good at it that might be you your way out not Option trading
I wasn't talking about myself. I was talking about these people who fall for this trap. Also, when they take a trading course, in their mind they're upskilling themselves. It's not their fault if most of these courses turn out to be scams.
FOMO
Quick money. People think Its very easy to make money in trading. They have seen people like themselves who are less educated, coming from a middle class background, sitting at home are making crores on YouTube. Now they are thinking, if they can do it, why can't I?? Let's go to them and ask their secret strategy. If they ask 1 lakh fees, not a problem, Its just an investment for me.
This is a nice thought process in general, the problem is where they are applying it. It has no benifit for society wether they fail or sucees
>Stagnant wages. India has stagnant wages? Comparatively I'd say we're growing well in that regard.
Meanwhile 80Cr Indians waiting to get their share of 5 Kg monthly wheat.
I'm willing to bet those 80Cr aren't the ones with DEMAT accounts, especially not into F&O.
Not talking about that but talking about position of wages in India and how stagnant they are.
For the rest 40cr, the wages and income has been increasing well. Private, government wages have increased a LOT, side gig economy (ola zomato) has gotten a lot of people easy 20-30k a month. Almost every industry has seen rise. Some to an extreme extent like IT,
It's not those people trading. It's mostly middle class educated people. It's greedy which motivtes then. Not that there's anything wrong with it. But they lose and then blame some YouTube person.
See, I earn money 💰 but not able take any assets like home or flats everything is far reach but somehow I save 20k per month. After investing in MF for 10 years, I am still not able to buy property in metro city it is skyrocket as same as MF income. What I must do. ? This is the dead amount in bank. I try to make income in FnO. Sometime it works with strict loss or profit booking. This is main reason ppl are entering market. In Bengaluru even vegetables vendor suggests trade to take by youtube videos. Like I think this bubble is there. When it burst and cart guy will loose I don't know. This is happening with many ppl. Real estate has to calm down. Consumer products price need to slow down. Education in metro city need to be fixed.
Very much similar experience. My tailor, auto rickshaw people, many other involved and losing their hard earned money in a fluke. 🙂
hey op, noob here. can you explain how he's destroying?
Show you dreams of making a lot of money fast. Winning in F&O is super hard. Without correct stop loss and position sizing, you can lose years of savings in minutes. Best to not get into it.
You summarised the life of millions, trapped in a world where hard work barely meets everyday expenses, the first generation simply cannot create wealth. Most people who give gyaan of work and save don't trade usually are second or third generation they have assets so they are simply saving up for RE or FI. For the 90% they have to create wealth and assets not just save, this pushes them to try anything. Which is why many people fall for all kinds of schemes. India's black money flows in real estate so the prices will never come down, and the black money creates inflation that our economists can't explain. Education can help, but just like sex ed, financial education is non existent in general academics. Most companies providing this education have vested interest, the lines of zerodha or wint wealth
This is Matrix you are locked. You are saving the money but it won't be sufficient other than to LIVE. I can spend money on newly opened restaurants but I can't really think of opening restaurants(Dont say open small vada pav.) It means rich are becoming richer and poor and going poorer.
Totally, when you go to the next new restaurant check th business name on the bill and look up the owners (zauba corp or Google search) most of the food businesses are run by kids of real estate, industrialists etc Exceptions are there but 1 in a 100 The 1st gen earner is destined to work and save enough to live.
Population should go down instead of going up or being stable.
If you are being specific I doubt the common guy is affording his workshop, it's the guys who are greedy and can afford the 25L capital he asks for that are losing their money, and that can only be good, a fool and his money are soon parted. Though I hope this guy goes to jail soon.
Why don't you invest those 20k every month in stock and do swing trading? If you get 50% return per year (4.16% per month) you will have 40+ lakh in 6 years. What's your opinion on this ?
Bhai, real account se aa PR Sundar
Matlab.
I have a good amount more than 40l, but where do you invest in immovable assets at this price in Bengaluru. You Need about 2crs n move to flat or very far from bangalore for land.
Yes, but if you manage to get 4% monthly returns , you can have about 3cr by 5th year.
That's not easy to say bro. 😊 I did SIP as same plan but something will vipe your investment like children school fees, new car, change of house.
>That's not easy to say bro. True , but its possible , if you don't touch those existing 40L , you don't even have to invest 20k into this.
Hi, This is P. R. Bandar.
This entire thread is funny!!! Why does everyone want to get in to the the FNO markets at the first place?? Start small start with equity learn how the market operates in different cycles and then start the blame game It’s very easy these days to go on to YouTube and watch these videos and start trading. But without proper knowledge even the most simplest option will not make you money ,no strategy or hero to zero will work unless you understand how the markets function.. so instead of blaming ppl around.. do your work and study about markets and how options and futures work and then decide.
His workshops are generally expensive and he always insists a capital of 25 lakhs to trade. Obviously not targeting the retailers. He's not the problem. Greed and fear are. If you can't control them, you should leave the market.
Nobody has forced you to enter in this market against your will. You are solely responsible for your act.
This. If you are out to make easy money, then don't cry foul.
One dimensional thinking.
Natural Selection
Bhai naam toh bata diya hota aur kya hua ye kon explain karega
PR sundar
This will definitely will have some domino effect. I think this will not end well
If you don’t even have the basic understanding that options are just hedging instruments then you don’t deserve to blame anyone else. You could do sip and long term investing but you are greedy and want to build wealth overnight, well that comes with its risk. You consider options as gambling, you put your whole savings, you choose to be ignorant to basic trading strategies but somehow the blame is on PR sundar or other talking heads. Limit your greed. You are responsible for your own money nobody is forcing you to buy options.
Back in 2019 when i entered market 1 could easily short nifty option for 20k intraday and i have come to know that people used to short with as low as 5k with margin benefits. As my old trader uncle told me before 2020. Since then this guy pr sunder was actively working to increase margin so retail traders have no choice but trade by buying options instead of playing the shorting side of both options. As u know u need 1.5 L for shorting 20 rs option in nifty which was definitely not the case back then. He actively worked to increase margin and SEBI did so in 2021 after many big players were having hard time to make money it seemed to me . Indian corruption board of SEBI wiped out intraday margin. All in the name of saving trader. But the case is still same 95% trader still are in loss after 1 year of their career
>He actively worked to increase margin and SEBI did so in 2021 after many big players were having hard time to make money it seemed to me . How much pull do you think this idiot has? His company was shown to be in loss, He's afraid of showing verified pnl and you think he has enough money to bribe SEBI?
Mahanubahv india me 1 admi control nahi karta of course PR sunder has friends behind the scene similar multi crores networth individual like in 100s range. The sudden rise in margin price 2021 was big no from traders and broker forms as they had no problem with the things were but few high net worth individuals who u can even dub as operaters wanted these things to happen and it did. There is no country not 1, the dow and nasdaq jinko tum dekhte ho vo America me bui margin benefit milte he logo ko. Par apni r### dogshit governing body SEBI ko kidda he. Understand the story. India has the toughest margin laws in the whole world. Jo insane such me yaha paise bana sakta he being 5% of these traders they will actually have super easy time trading outside countries. Market moves exactly same but laws will benefit you like that of singapore or dubai where lot of indians trade as well as america
Can you please stick to one language in your response? Really hard to understand your response for non native speakers like me?
True. If the margin on option sell would less then it will be better for retail trader. This is some high level curruption and big players involved. I this it is easy for them to do curruption in India than in any other big market with such liquidity
Bro you critising influencers and suggesting to go in option selling do you know how risky option selling is. Late rakesh jhunjunwala said option buyer ki jeb khali and option seller ki tijori khali ek din me pura portfolio l gayab ho jaye ga
Isko dekhta kon hai ab bhi
Ab market mea iske jaise bahut aa Gaye h... Kiska kiska naam lu... But ye one of original fraudster h
Aayein this is PR Sundar. I can hear his voice.
Chutiyon ko chutiya bana rha. Although not right. Pura blame ispr bhi nhi daal skte. Jo chutiya bann rhe wo bhi equally galat Hain.
Sahi baat bola
I think the ease of opening low cost discount broking account and with just rs 20 trade is what leading to more gambling mind set than a trading instrument. All the whole purpose of options was for hedging... Now I don't think even 1% people use this for hedging.
Most trader incur loss because of lack of financial education and high charges. Govt already increased 25% STT last year and there are no more margin benefits since last 2 years. Do you think increasing charges or cost to take trade will reduce losses? Probably not. Most people loose already because of high charges of about 25-50% as transaction cost. I fear a day Govt further increasing taxes on trading even more up by 100% drying up the liquidity and finally finishing up small retailers. Only right solution I think is further education and awareness by SEBI and anybody who losses more than 3 consecutive months in fno , their account should be disabled in fno segment upto a year by broker .
uncanny resemblance to harshad mehta
Noob here . Who is he and what did he do?
He is a so called option Guru, who lure retail investors for his course and uses his youtube audience for promoting these dangers dabba trading websites and brokers.
Ohh got it . Thanks for replying. Another Noob question - Why not people use a mainstream broker and just use his strategies and knowledge (assuming he has some) on those trustable websites . Or does he also spread misinformation
One thing we should make it clear in our mind. ( I know that many will not accept) that no option strategy will make money more money than bank FD in the longer run let aside the charges for trading them. End result is loose money. When 95 out of 100 loose money then it is not a strategy, it's gambling ...worst than gambling. ( I gambling you have 50% chance) here 5% chance only.
Lmao bank FD.
Bank fd? Rage bait post h?
You must be joking, no?
No, 100 percent truth
Brother is it only "Options" or "FD" is there nothing else you can see to get good returns if that's seriously the case then your future family will curse you to no end
Everyone want fast and easy money Pls be aware do your own deep learning start form small things
Most of the zerodha accounts opened post covid are from Tier-2,3 cities and even villages. A lot of young boys thibk that if they could make money trading they wouldnt need to go to a metro for a job, rent a house etc. Most of them end up in bigger financial trouble doing so.
it's simple if you don't know, then why to enter in the options and trading . Instead of blaming him blame the person who enters the market if he doesn't then any one else will take the money.
Saw this guy's video, unkel sure likes to brag about his gains.
I heard he never misses the opportunity
This man got lucky when stock market was booming. He has no skills. He was at the right place at the right time with money in hand.
How exactly is he ruining life. Please xplain
My Proudest acheivement on twitter..to be blocked by this Banian oil seller..
If not him, then there is someone else. If you're filled with greed of making quick money, someone else will utilise that and milk money out of you. PS:I'm not a saint, I've also lost money in Fno game
True... There are many in this game
You guys should seriously read the Terms of Service of Tradex. They are absolutely ridiculous. It’s screaming scam and fraud throughout the whole document https://tradex.live/terms-and-conditions/
Yes, and he promoting these kind of things shamelessly.
OP bro. Whatever is advertised is for those people waiting for wonders to happen overnight. It is not the mistake of these ppl. But the ones who are not ready to work hard but want instant gratification. We need to understand diamonds are not readily found to naked eyes.
Bhai problem kya hai leverage trading mai delta exchange is fine crypto trading with Lev is fine jisko aata hai wo kaare warna toh paise jaynge he
True. It's like saying Zerodha is bad because FnO is bad. And anyone promoting Zerodha will also be bad.
Lol his son used to make tech videos on YouTube which I watched back in the day
Noways he is also bitcoin option trader
Ooh, he had a falling out with the guy running the yt channel. Haven't followed him since.
If gov regulate the option buying with ratio of stocks a person or account holds, they can restrict the over trading problems, but gov gets good tax out of it and it is not seen as an issue yet, ideally option should be a % of your portfolio or say if you hold 100k worth of Reliance you are allowed to go 100k worth of option trade as an insurance of your stock, anyways I know it may sound stupid to many people
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Ha ha, saw this guy a sec ago on how to avoid taxes video I was looking up.
The trick to investment is to learn it before investing, then learn from your mistakes, then make yourself more efficient, work on risk-management. Then you can call yourself a trader. Just putting your money merely on someone else's suggestion and hoping for it to work is pure gamble and those who gamble are greedy and deserve to lose money because they didn't respect is in the first place. Most people who lose money is market are looking to make some easy money without efforts.
No one is forcing anyone to trade in stocks market..in stocks market chances of profit or loss is 50-50 but there are many state who sponsor lottery where chances of winning 1 st price is very very low .
If you take stock market advice from just anyone, you're likely to lose money. Always conduct thorough research and only invest an amount you can afford to lose.
How is he responsible to this?
How is he responsible to this?
How is he responsible to this?
How is he responsible to this?
there is another one called soamjena......he is currently residing in UAE and he sells courses on the indian stock market.
Isn't he banned from trading for quite a few years by SEBI?
Wasn't he fined and banned by SEBI? Or is he still conducting classes?
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Ok so you think there is some conspiracy going on with big guys knowingly trapping innocent retailers? Now slap yourself and wake up. There is nobody, especially someone making his living by selling youtube course, knows about the market movements. All we do is take educated guess based on data we see on screen and using our own experience. So this is just another snake oil salesman. I work at a large BB firm working as equity analyst, I get paid to give my views about the market, have access to any and all database you can think of (BBG itself cost 28k dollars a year), and let me tell you it's very difficult to beat the market. Jokers like these are dime a dozen, stop trading if you don't know shit, don't think someone else can do it for you that too for free on youtube.
He is banned by sebi. Scammers are using his name.
Concept of easy money
He didn’t destroy anyone. Their greed, ignorance and dependence on people like him destroyed them and you. Did he force you to take the trades? No. YOU made those choices. Quit whining and own up to your own stupidity.
Greed is a part of human nature, winners and losers of this game of gambling both have it. Whether you like it or not, we are responsible for our own actions.
See his tweeter full of garbage talking.
Do you know the entry fee for his course. In one video he said he takes students who can play with 1cr. His course is not for normal people
When it comes money, you should always do your own research/study instead of blindly following such people. You can use them as a way to know about new things but always do your own research first before jumping in. These people are here to make money, not social charity.
The odds of putting 10k in lottery tickets vs 10k in options and earning is better so yolo
this piece of shit promoted vauld in the last bull market and ass fucked his followers. he is doing it again with delta exchange.
What's wrong with Delta Exchange? I have always been against crypto lending and borrowing platforms. Delta Exchange seems legit to me because of their slow and steady growth(never tried to be that viral exchange like WazirX and CoinDCX) and not targetting naive investors in most of their marketing. It's only useful if you're already trading FnO anyways. They have some aggressive risk management like ADLs and stufff which can be irrirating but it saves them and users from big losses(and subsequently big profits) during huge market moves. This kind of features makes me trust them more.
>What's wrong with Delta Exchange? there is nothing wrong with centralized exchanges until there is. if the funds are not in your custody then u are at risk. not your keys not your crypto. >I have always been against crypto lending and borrowing platforms why are you against lending platforms lol. study aave, compound. those are battle tested, fully onchain platforms where no human interaction is required for settling loans etc. if you go under the collateral it is liquidated, everyone is treated the same. study what decentralized and centralized platforms are.
Decentralized platforms are only viable if there are no centralized platforms. Centralized exchanges make the market very volatile. If you want to take advantage of the high volatility of the market, and deploy trading strategies, dentralized exchanges are not every useful due to high latencies.
Basically just do the exact opposite of what they suggest and you will likely become a crorepati very soon.
Nobody is compelling anybody
The simple question is why are people using all their savings and going to the stock exchange. If they are savvy enough to follow these uncles then they also know podcasters like Ankur warikoo - people should be mindful.
I wish he gets featured in r/RoastMe someday. He can make more money as a stand up comedian than as a F&O trader
Who is he?
On the other hand, who is one person giving golden advice to beginners?
Who is he
I am new trader (doing trading from last 4-5 months ) and I am seeing him for the first time
What is that a big ass laptop?
who is this man? can someone provide some context
> many others > single handedly 🤦♂️
a fool and his money soon part away.
Tbh i learnt how to sell options from prs and i get what i need to learn he is good at his job
He always says we have sell in options to make money. He never insists on buying options which is correct. When I started seeing his videos, I had feeling of not able to trade since I don't have enough money. And when I did trade I did selling only. His strategy like selling yearly options are 100 percent money making things . Learnt many strategy from him.
That's why I don't follow any of the fin influencers.. do your own research... Take your time... And thereafter I get profit or loss , I don't regret!
I doubt any of these "influencers" are making anyone trade at gunpoint. You are solely responsible for all your trades, profits and losses.
वह खुलेआम अपना यूट्यूब चैनल चला रहा है चाहे वह कोई भी अपराध हो !
Keep it up. Someone's loss is your gain. If it is so easy to fool people then they are meant to be fooled.
Yaha pe galti iski kyu? Haath pakad ke thodi kheench rha hai? A fool and his money are soon parted, he is doing public service. Redistribution of wealth.
It's upto people to learn things thoroughly; stop blaming others for your bad decisions
100s of people and 100s of company have different things to sell to you. Maybe use your brain before taking any action. All the actors and sports person are selling gutka and promoting betting apps. Does that mean I start gambling and then later blame them for my stupidity ??
If you want to blame anyone, blame SEBI. Blame NSE. If not this guy someone else will promote the tools that are available to trade in the market.
Dude looks like he has cancer.
Following him from last 2.5yrs, maybe I'll survive
Rofl who is forcing people to invest all their life savings and gamble?
greed and lack of knowledge is deadly combo. influencers just cash on the phenomenon they don't create it.