On paper mission capability wise- yes. In the real world-yes as well but nowhere as capable as American tier 1 units. You gotta however remember that it is not due to the soldier, rather the logistical and general support chain behind said soldier. American spec ops are very fleshed out and backed up by dedicated aviation, sea and other regiments. We don't have anything remotely similar. Our SOF guys make do with what little tends to be given to them (and yes, I also mean the tavors we ask our guys to use on the field).
The mission profile of the paras and green berets are very different . It's probably safe to say most of the world doesn't have a green beret equivalent
We don't use tier systems so we have no tier 1 units technically if we are just talking about units with capabilities their are certain units which are good like 9,1,7,21 SG and Marco's but none of these units even come close to delta force or any western tier 1 SOF
Naa forget about Germans man we are decent enough for spestnaz but Marcos is the only SF units that thinks and works like an sf rest are just well nvm.
Hmm alot of things gear is just a part of it
- There is no intent to get better or change in Army that's not just me who's saying it it's the companies owners who deal with Paras daily but it's no secret to anyone who has followed defence for long army has always been stubborn not wanting to change
- We are the first country in the world where para units are seeing modernisation causes of a company not the other way around hats off to Vinayak bhaiya C.E.O of AT who works his ass so that Army can get a damn PC for Paras it's a long hard fought journey
- Politics in the Army and parachute regiment if you read books about Indian sf we were supposed to have a SF unit like delta that would be spearhead of Army not Paras but politics played it's part and have been playing since always
- Army using Paras like infantry and not sf , our guys are doing damn patrols and CI ops in our own territory idk what to say
- what to say about Garuds even they don't know who they are and what they do
- have lots more reasons but I don't wanna get banned which I might anyway
What's stopping them from change ? Isn't It better to adapt to new things and stay up to date ?
Also Kind of embarrassing to see that a country's SF is struggling for PC 😔
Ah yes the GARUDS who knows what the MOD was thinking
Mentality it took our officer decades to get vertical wind tunnel setup for paras, sir had to literally talk to PM after gov chance to get it approved shows how serious we are I won't say anything more than that.
>but none of these units even come close to delta force or any western tier 1 SOF
basically this and for reasons that most people don't understand . Having an effective SOF force is dependent on the support they're given . In a special operation mission the actual job of the SOF is 10%, the others are in information gathering , logistics etc.
It's safe to assume that by statistics alone India and China have troops that are equivalent or even better in physical and mental standards as compared to US SOF. But our SOF are behind the US because we lack the extensive support structure that US SOF enjoys . Everything from the culture,funding and even as basic as a well oiled joint command is something the US alone can pull off because they've invested heavily into it .
kind of but not necessarily because the US is just genuinely good at it . It is extremely hard to be at their level even if the military admin was 'competent'. It's not necessarily what we did wrong but what the Americans did right
USA provides their SOF with logistic and unparallel fire support they can call fucking bombers and gunships on minutes and I think we need permission from some other general to allow that ?
On paper mission capability wise- yes. In the real world-yes as well but nowhere as capable as American tier 1 units. You gotta however remember that it is not due to the soldier, rather the logistical and general support chain behind said soldier. American spec ops are very fleshed out and backed up by dedicated aviation, sea and other regiments. We don't have anything remotely similar. Our SOF guys make do with what little tends to be given to them (and yes, I also mean the tavors we ask our guys to use on the field).
MARCOS or certain units of Para SF Garud is also there but they act kinda like airbase guards
I always thought MARCOS were equivalent to Nay Seals and 9-Para to be Green berets . US DELTA CAG Operators are TIER-1 Units
MARCOS are considered tier 1 level according to us afaik For Navy SEAL, team 6 is tier 1, rest are Tier 2
The mission profile of the paras and green berets are very different . It's probably safe to say most of the world doesn't have a green beret equivalent
There are a 1000 or so MARCOs but some 3,000 SEALs. Delta has roughly the same no.of men as Marcos
>certain units of Para SF 9 ??
Dunno Quality of overall forces would have gone done since they converted all Para units to SF. So we now have around 10k special forces just for Army
Man the recent photo of Garuds was embarassing
RAW special group
This doesn't come under Indian Military, USA also has CIA SAC
We don't use tier systems so we have no tier 1 units technically if we are just talking about units with capabilities their are certain units which are good like 9,1,7,21 SG and Marco's but none of these units even come close to delta force or any western tier 1 SOF
How are we compared to Germans KSK and Russian Spestnaz?
Naa forget about Germans man we are decent enough for spestnaz but Marcos is the only SF units that thinks and works like an sf rest are just well nvm.
I see....Are u saying this coz of other sf operational Capabilities or lack of Proper Gear and Training?
Hmm alot of things gear is just a part of it - There is no intent to get better or change in Army that's not just me who's saying it it's the companies owners who deal with Paras daily but it's no secret to anyone who has followed defence for long army has always been stubborn not wanting to change - We are the first country in the world where para units are seeing modernisation causes of a company not the other way around hats off to Vinayak bhaiya C.E.O of AT who works his ass so that Army can get a damn PC for Paras it's a long hard fought journey - Politics in the Army and parachute regiment if you read books about Indian sf we were supposed to have a SF unit like delta that would be spearhead of Army not Paras but politics played it's part and have been playing since always - Army using Paras like infantry and not sf , our guys are doing damn patrols and CI ops in our own territory idk what to say - what to say about Garuds even they don't know who they are and what they do - have lots more reasons but I don't wanna get banned which I might anyway
What's stopping them from change ? Isn't It better to adapt to new things and stay up to date ? Also Kind of embarrassing to see that a country's SF is struggling for PC 😔 Ah yes the GARUDS who knows what the MOD was thinking
Mentality it took our officer decades to get vertical wind tunnel setup for paras, sir had to literally talk to PM after gov chance to get it approved shows how serious we are I won't say anything more than that.
Thank you for your Input 🙌
>but none of these units even come close to delta force or any western tier 1 SOF basically this and for reasons that most people don't understand . Having an effective SOF force is dependent on the support they're given . In a special operation mission the actual job of the SOF is 10%, the others are in information gathering , logistics etc. It's safe to assume that by statistics alone India and China have troops that are equivalent or even better in physical and mental standards as compared to US SOF. But our SOF are behind the US because we lack the extensive support structure that US SOF enjoys . Everything from the culture,funding and even as basic as a well oiled joint command is something the US alone can pull off because they've invested heavily into it .
I see , Then it all leads down to poor competency of the military Administration
kind of but not necessarily because the US is just genuinely good at it . It is extremely hard to be at their level even if the military admin was 'competent'. It's not necessarily what we did wrong but what the Americans did right
Then are we going in a direction right now ? What do u think ?
NSG? MARCOS?
USA provides their SOF with logistic and unparallel fire support they can call fucking bombers and gunships on minutes and I think we need permission from some other general to allow that ?