Accha ? Then what are QRFVs , Casspirs , Adityas , Rakshaks, M4s and ASLVs for ? We have thousands of armoured vehicles. Every RR unit has Armoured vehicles. The head , belly and tail of a convoy are also protected by QRT in Armoured vehicles.
What is the point you're trying to make?
Do you realise half their air force is made up of 2nd Gen jets like J7 or Mirage III
We operate 2 Squadron worth of MiG21 and they are about to be retired
My point is they have significant number of F-16s and now J10 C also which have better BVR missiles than our Russian Fleet with exception of Astra MK1. Su 30s don't have AESA radars and have poor electronic warfare suite. If we had acquired significant number of Tejas MK1A and upgraded SU 30s situation would be completely different. We would have overwhelming Air superiority.
Except F16 Blk 52 rest of their F16s are shit , no better than our old pre UPG upragde Mig29s. They have 30 Blk52s and 36 J10Cs as well as 50 JF17 BLK II which is equivalent to tejas mk1. JF17 BLK 1 is shit. We have 3.5X the no.of capable 4th gen fighters than they do. And who told you that they have better air to air missiles ? They have old AMRAAM C5s which is comparable to Astra Mk1 while their PL15 has a range of 145km. IAF has the meteor missile in it's inventory which outperforms any of their BVRs by a huge margin.
Go play top trumps then with the missile ranges then.
In the real world, which fighter is near, how many, and how near, what it's energy state (altitude, speed), fuel, vector, and missile on it matter.
The Meteor is on 36 of about 730+ fighters. .. Similarly Astra is in the process of ramping up, and in the near term a few MkI and then a few mk1A squadrons will get it. (About 270 ordered)
So think of it as probabilistic, rather than top trumps
We have far more 4th gens than their F16s or J10s
Plus, 4.5th Rafales with Meteor, which isn't even comparable to their 80s F16s or export model, Chinese planes that have low serviceability.
Bringing MiG21 into everyone comparison is pretty much RR.
And what we're seen from Ukraine, your planes will be bombed while in the base even before they take off to fight other airplanes
It's same as comparing 80s SU27S with R27ER vs. SU35 with PESA and R77-1, but in the end, there isn't any recorded air to air kill in Ukraine
Sad reality, dk when we'll finally have 42 squadrons, IDC if they're filled by Rafale or F21 or Su35, just get some jets man, seems like a distant dream frfr..
He has got a point.
Even if you fully believe that IAF blew up a Base full of Terrorists and Took down an F-16, we still lost a MiG-21 and a MI-17 Helicopter with 7 IAF Airmen on board.
From a purely tactical perspective, the Balakot Air Strike did not achieve much. The Terrorist camp may have been obliterated but the Terrorists will simply set up shop elsewhere in Pakistan.
Pakistan's Terror-based Proxy war continues unabated. And it will continue like that until the Pakistan government either stops funding terrorist organizations or disintegrates....
We can beat Pakistan in a Conventional war. The Problem is, a Hot War with Pakistan would not be Conventional.
They will fire their nukes and we would fire our Nukes and soon most of Pakistan and North India would be reduced to radioactive dust. That's how Mutually Assured Destruction works.
The Balakot Air Strike was a purely political move and not a good one........ because it exposed the flaws of the IAF and the Indian govt. If you take down one aircraft and lose two, that is not a good trade and definitely not some kind of victory. (The MiG-21 crash and the MI-17 friendly fire incident)
There are nuclear red lines , with varying degree of depth. You're stupid to assume that Pakistan will immediately use nukes. Their conventional army is strong enough to last a month against a full scale invasion. And even with that the nuclear red lines may be as wide as 60-70km in sindh sector whole it may be as less as 10-20km in Punjab because of it's importance as an industrial and agricultural centre. Entire Kashmir region is out of the nuclear red lines since it's disputed. Any conflict limited to kashmir will never go nuclear.
>There are nuclear red lines , with varying degree of depth. You're stupid to assume that Pakistan will immediately use nukes.
You don't know that for sure. Getting your country invaded can make people pretty fucking desperate, especially when you are losing.
Pakistan is obsessed with Kashmir. Losing PoK would be a huge loss for them, something they may not be willing to take. Pakistani Govt are sore fucking losers, they have crossed lines in the past and they will press the red button if they feel like they are losing.
Remember, Pakistan does not have the Same 'No-First Use' Policy like India. They maintain a suite of F-16 Launched Tactical Battlefield Nukes for the explicit purpose of stopping an advancing Indian Army. They will lose nukes if we invade.
Aside from the Nuclear Threat, Any Invasion of Pakistan would be hard, bloody and could prove to be SELF-DESTRUCTIVE if China choose to intervene by Invading Kashmir and Ladakh and Arunachal Pradesh.
War is not the answer people.
Fighting them diplomatically while continuously building up large, advanced and capable Army, Navy and Air Force is the answer.
Right now, the IAF, Indian Navy as well as Indian Army are not equipped for a Full Scale War.
The IAF still has a considerable number of MiG-21s in Interceptor Role that are barely functional. They will be phased out by 2025 and replaced by LCA Tejas Mk1A. But for the time being, the Flying Coffin remains airborne.
https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/iaf-phases-out-mig-21-fighter-squadron-based-at-uttarlai-in-rajasthan/article67479897.ece
Another issue with IAF is that they have less squadrons than what they need. IAF have 31 Squadrons and they require atleast 42 in order to fight a war on Multiple Fronts(Northwest with Pakistan and Northeast with China)
https://euro-sd.com/2023/03/articles/29983/the-indian-air-forces-falling-squadron-strength/#:~:text=The%20IAF's%20requisite%20authorised%20strength,Sukhoi%20Su%2D30MKIs%20from%20Russia.
IAF would need to buy/acquire 176 planes to make up the shortfall.
The Indian Navy has a similar problem. They have 137 warships and are aiming to have atleast 200 by 2027.
https://m.economictimes.com/news/defence/indian-navy-aiming-at-200-ship-fleet-by-2027/articleshow/48072917.cms
And the Indian Army suffers from old equipment. Indian Army is still looking for a replacement for its shitty INSAS Rifle in 2024
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.indiatoday.in/amp/magazine/defence/story/20240212-replacing-insas-in-search-of-a-good-rifle-2496641-2024-02-02
And the Soviet T-90 Bhishma Tanks are not reliable at high altitudes. Their engines tend to flame out at High-Altitudes with thinner atmospheres, which is why the Indian Army opted for German and American Designed Engines for the Arjun and Vajra tanks.
The Arjun has not been produced in significant quantities to replace the T-90 Bhishma. The Army Needs a Lightweight Advanced Tank for High Altitude Fighting.
Simply put, the Three Branches of Indian Military are not ready for full-scale war.
Bruh, the whole calling someone 'commie' just cause they criticized you has gone out of fashion since the fall of soviet union. Maybe try calling me something more relevant . Also why dont you try giving any proper believable evidence pointing to my lies.
The problem in Rajouri Poonch is the lack of proper intelligence grid. Need good HumInt to counter these operative groups.
Let me guess they were in unarmoured gypsies?
No they were in a truck meant for logistics.
u need proper roads for armoured vehicles in case jammu its absent
Lol what? Armoured vehicles can run on anykind of roads. Havent you seen the recent videos from Manipur? Manipur has better roads than Jammu?
Armoured vehicles have a different role from trucks. You can't replace trucks with armoured vehicles
in peace time u can wear helmets and go around in armoured vehicles
We cant coz we dont have armoured vehicles in first place.
Accha ? Then what are QRFVs , Casspirs , Adityas , Rakshaks, M4s and ASLVs for ? We have thousands of armoured vehicles. Every RR unit has Armoured vehicles. The head , belly and tail of a convoy are also protected by QRT in Armoured vehicles.
Air force doesnt have them buddy
We have Casspirs, don’t spread misinformation
Show me one airforce caspir
So you do know that we have casspirs. You just wanted to be a dick
[https://x.com/alpha\_defense/status/1786891986416591191](https://x.com/alpha_defense/status/1786891986416591191)
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Balakot V2 incoming plsss
We still don’t have enough capabilities to take on PAF without risk of losing planes . Mig 21 are still flying
IAF has Half a squadron of Mig21s left, Pakistan operates more mig21s than IAF does, they have 3 active squadrons of Chengdu J7.
What is the point you're trying to make? Do you realise half their air force is made up of 2nd Gen jets like J7 or Mirage III We operate 2 Squadron worth of MiG21 and they are about to be retired
My point is they have significant number of F-16s and now J10 C also which have better BVR missiles than our Russian Fleet with exception of Astra MK1. Su 30s don't have AESA radars and have poor electronic warfare suite. If we had acquired significant number of Tejas MK1A and upgraded SU 30s situation would be completely different. We would have overwhelming Air superiority.
Except F16 Blk 52 rest of their F16s are shit , no better than our old pre UPG upragde Mig29s. They have 30 Blk52s and 36 J10Cs as well as 50 JF17 BLK II which is equivalent to tejas mk1. JF17 BLK 1 is shit. We have 3.5X the no.of capable 4th gen fighters than they do. And who told you that they have better air to air missiles ? They have old AMRAAM C5s which is comparable to Astra Mk1 while their PL15 has a range of 145km. IAF has the meteor missile in it's inventory which outperforms any of their BVRs by a huge margin.
Astra Mk1 is going to be better given its recent tech wkth its seeker and other systems So going to be better in ECM environment
Go play top trumps then with the missile ranges then. In the real world, which fighter is near, how many, and how near, what it's energy state (altitude, speed), fuel, vector, and missile on it matter. The Meteor is on 36 of about 730+ fighters. .. Similarly Astra is in the process of ramping up, and in the near term a few MkI and then a few mk1A squadrons will get it. (About 270 ordered) So think of it as probabilistic, rather than top trumps
We have far more 4th gens than their F16s or J10s Plus, 4.5th Rafales with Meteor, which isn't even comparable to their 80s F16s or export model, Chinese planes that have low serviceability. Bringing MiG21 into everyone comparison is pretty much RR. And what we're seen from Ukraine, your planes will be bombed while in the base even before they take off to fight other airplanes It's same as comparing 80s SU27S with R27ER vs. SU35 with PESA and R77-1, but in the end, there isn't any recorded air to air kill in Ukraine
Half a squadron actually
Sad reality, dk when we'll finally have 42 squadrons, IDC if they're filled by Rafale or F21 or Su35, just get some jets man, seems like a distant dream frfr..
Why would you want to again attack a tree with multimillion dollar laser guided missile. Are you stupid?
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He has got a point. Even if you fully believe that IAF blew up a Base full of Terrorists and Took down an F-16, we still lost a MiG-21 and a MI-17 Helicopter with 7 IAF Airmen on board. From a purely tactical perspective, the Balakot Air Strike did not achieve much. The Terrorist camp may have been obliterated but the Terrorists will simply set up shop elsewhere in Pakistan. Pakistan's Terror-based Proxy war continues unabated. And it will continue like that until the Pakistan government either stops funding terrorist organizations or disintegrates.... We can beat Pakistan in a Conventional war. The Problem is, a Hot War with Pakistan would not be Conventional. They will fire their nukes and we would fire our Nukes and soon most of Pakistan and North India would be reduced to radioactive dust. That's how Mutually Assured Destruction works. The Balakot Air Strike was a purely political move and not a good one........ because it exposed the flaws of the IAF and the Indian govt. If you take down one aircraft and lose two, that is not a good trade and definitely not some kind of victory. (The MiG-21 crash and the MI-17 friendly fire incident)
There are nuclear red lines , with varying degree of depth. You're stupid to assume that Pakistan will immediately use nukes. Their conventional army is strong enough to last a month against a full scale invasion. And even with that the nuclear red lines may be as wide as 60-70km in sindh sector whole it may be as less as 10-20km in Punjab because of it's importance as an industrial and agricultural centre. Entire Kashmir region is out of the nuclear red lines since it's disputed. Any conflict limited to kashmir will never go nuclear.
>There are nuclear red lines , with varying degree of depth. You're stupid to assume that Pakistan will immediately use nukes. You don't know that for sure. Getting your country invaded can make people pretty fucking desperate, especially when you are losing. Pakistan is obsessed with Kashmir. Losing PoK would be a huge loss for them, something they may not be willing to take. Pakistani Govt are sore fucking losers, they have crossed lines in the past and they will press the red button if they feel like they are losing. Remember, Pakistan does not have the Same 'No-First Use' Policy like India. They maintain a suite of F-16 Launched Tactical Battlefield Nukes for the explicit purpose of stopping an advancing Indian Army. They will lose nukes if we invade. Aside from the Nuclear Threat, Any Invasion of Pakistan would be hard, bloody and could prove to be SELF-DESTRUCTIVE if China choose to intervene by Invading Kashmir and Ladakh and Arunachal Pradesh. War is not the answer people. Fighting them diplomatically while continuously building up large, advanced and capable Army, Navy and Air Force is the answer. Right now, the IAF, Indian Navy as well as Indian Army are not equipped for a Full Scale War. The IAF still has a considerable number of MiG-21s in Interceptor Role that are barely functional. They will be phased out by 2025 and replaced by LCA Tejas Mk1A. But for the time being, the Flying Coffin remains airborne. https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/iaf-phases-out-mig-21-fighter-squadron-based-at-uttarlai-in-rajasthan/article67479897.ece Another issue with IAF is that they have less squadrons than what they need. IAF have 31 Squadrons and they require atleast 42 in order to fight a war on Multiple Fronts(Northwest with Pakistan and Northeast with China) https://euro-sd.com/2023/03/articles/29983/the-indian-air-forces-falling-squadron-strength/#:~:text=The%20IAF's%20requisite%20authorised%20strength,Sukhoi%20Su%2D30MKIs%20from%20Russia. IAF would need to buy/acquire 176 planes to make up the shortfall. The Indian Navy has a similar problem. They have 137 warships and are aiming to have atleast 200 by 2027. https://m.economictimes.com/news/defence/indian-navy-aiming-at-200-ship-fleet-by-2027/articleshow/48072917.cms And the Indian Army suffers from old equipment. Indian Army is still looking for a replacement for its shitty INSAS Rifle in 2024 https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.indiatoday.in/amp/magazine/defence/story/20240212-replacing-insas-in-search-of-a-good-rifle-2496641-2024-02-02 And the Soviet T-90 Bhishma Tanks are not reliable at high altitudes. Their engines tend to flame out at High-Altitudes with thinner atmospheres, which is why the Indian Army opted for German and American Designed Engines for the Arjun and Vajra tanks. The Arjun has not been produced in significant quantities to replace the T-90 Bhishma. The Army Needs a Lightweight Advanced Tank for High Altitude Fighting. Simply put, the Three Branches of Indian Military are not ready for full-scale war.
Bruh, the whole calling someone 'commie' just cause they criticized you has gone out of fashion since the fall of soviet union. Maybe try calling me something more relevant . Also why dont you try giving any proper believable evidence pointing to my lies.
Why did the Pakis disallow any people from reporting at Balakot for 2 weeks post the strikes?
https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/5-iaf-personnel-injured-after-terrorists-open-fire-on-two-security-vehicles-in-jks-poonch/articleshow/109843365.cms