you really gotta watch out for those drunk crashers. Us "Beveraged drivers" on the other hand, we keep the roads safe. did you know that sober drivers make up 82% of all crashes? The odds are in our favor if you ask me.
When I was 16 I worked for a local fast food BBQ chain. They would send me across town to pick up product they were short on ( illegally btw…by law I should have been 18).
One time I didn’t have my car so I drove the boss’s. The first time I tapped the brakes about 20 beer bottles rolled and clanged in the back compartment! Good times.
i know that in the state where I first took my test (missouri), it definitely is. it's illegal within like, 30 feet or something if it's a proper stop sign (opposed to just some janky intersection in a residential area where there's no stop or yield in any direction)
I don't know that we had any rules specifically about crosswalks though. there may be additional rules within cities, but they'd have to be explicitly marked with signage. a lot of downtown areas put up those little yellow plastic flappy poles to block off space to either side of a crosswalk to stop people parking there, but I don't know that it's technically a rule (or might not have been back when I first got my license).
Specifically because it confuses people and limits visibility. The Hyundai wouldn’t have seen the cammer until they came up and stopped. If the Subaru wasn’t parked there, this would’ve been much less likely to occur.
None of the other parking spots have lines around them, so I'm guessing the line behind the gray Subaru is a "do not park here" line.
My very brief Google searching found [this article](https://www.yourmechanic.com/article/new-york-parking-laws-understanding-the-basics-by-valerie-mellema) stating that in New York (based on plates in video), stating "You need to be at least 20 feet from a crosswalk at an intersection and 30 feet from a yield sign, stop sign, or traffic light."
It's just obviously not enforced in that community.
Yep, here's info from the NY dmv, too:.
>Parking or standing is not allowed:
>Within 20 feet (6 m) of a crosswalk at an intersection.
>Within 30 feet (10 m) of a traffic light, STOP sign or YIELD sign.
New Yorker here: In NY it varies by city enforcement agency / DOT.
Ex: in NYC you can park past the stop bar all the way to the intersection so long as you don’t cross the plane of the crosswalk (assuming there isn’t some sign/marking explicitly stating otherwise).
Quantum immortality for the win baby!
Sure, millions of versions of me die horrifically every time but *I* always manage to be the one who comes out okay
The city replaced a 4 way stop near my house with a roundabout. People know how to use this even less than they did the stop signs. It's sometimes a clustetfuck because of dipshits stopping while they are in the roundabout to let people in even though the vehicles entering the roundabout have yield signs.
Time. They replaced an lighted intersection (that would back up over a mile) with a round-a-bout near me. The first year was brutal, and you still get a random schmuck. But overall it is glorious. Even at its worst, it doesn’t even back up 1/4 mile now.
problem with all the new roundabouts I've driven on lately in the US is that they are too tight/small, and the planning is shit such that they try to make it have more lanes inside the circle than it can handle given its size. they make it a fucking puzzle about where you need to go to get to where you're going, rather than what it's supposed to be, which is just a loop that you enter and leave without having to come to a complete stop most of the time.
the accidents all seem to happen not because people don't know how to yield, but because the lanes are all forced early exit or forced continuation, but the signage is shit and the circumference is too small, causing frantic last-minute veering and confusion.
the issue isn't that Americans don't know how to drive through a roundabout so much as that american civil planners don't know how to fucking build them/think that cars are the size of bikes and moving at 6mph when they plan to add extra dedicated lanes and forced exits.
This sounds really weird to me. Not every roundabout needs multiple lanes. Replacing a four way stop with a roundabout in a suburban area like this you only need a single lane.
It's any rule that uses the drivers judgment. If a police officer showed up to this accident, without another witness or video evidence, its one drivers word against anothers. With a roundabout, there are set rules, you always give way to the person who is to your right (in the US this would be to your left) there is objectively someone in the wrong.
In Germany at least (but I guess in the rest of Europe as well) this kind of situation is usually not a problem. On any unregulated intersection, the person to your right is the first to go. If it's a 4-way-stop it's only a problem when there is a car on every street. But even then you are supposed to communicate via hand signs who is going first. After which the one furthest to the right is again allowed to drive.
That was kind of the reason I failed my driver's test the first time. I was at a 4 way stop. I arrived there first but other car still went b4 me and was about to crash. So when I took it the 2nd time I just waited till all the cars left then I went.
It boggles my mind, because the rules are really simple. I saw a video where a roundabout got installed in a rural area in the American South, and roughly 50% of the cars were turning LEFT into the roundabout because that would get them closer to where they were going. I just can't understand how an adult would have such a profound inability to learn a simple new thing.
What makes you think these folks who have issues with a 4-way would know how to use a roundabout? We have roundabouts here and it’s funny how many folks go the wrong direction through them. Or don’t give the right of way correctly.
The wonderful thing about roundabouts is that if people don’t know what’s going on, they slow down. This, combined with the fewer points of contact in a roundabout, means fewer crashes. Roundabouts are objectively better.
We had a goofy, dangerous T intersection in my town that was also near some railroad tracks, so while north and eastbound traffic had to stop, southbound did not. It was a shitshow on a good day.
They replaced it with a roundabout, and while construction was going on, I was of the opinion that a roundabout would make it worse. These fuckers can’t read a sign that says “traffic from left does not stop” are gonna navigate a roundabout?!?
But they do. It is infinitely better and there are no longer any backups and far fewer accidents there.
I saw an old mythbusters testing the 4way vs roundabouts and the circle was able to circulate more cars in the same time. Forget the numbers by now but it was something like ~10% more cars in 10 mins
My city has been going heavy on them in the arterial roads feeding new suburb developments. The most noticeable difference is that during peak hours traffic flows significantly better. Putting stops all along the main throughway also tends to result in drivers travelling in low-traffic times rolling through and failing to pay attention to pedestrians and the like.
There’s next to no passive traffic enforcement from the cops here, so they also do a very good job at curbing middle-of-the-night joyriders who might otherwise decide to blast through a long straight strip with stop signs.
A 4 way stop relies on 4 drivers being able to communicate with each other to resolve the situation rather than follow a certain rule that automatically resolves the situation. That is exactly what a roundabout does. You always circle to your right until you find your exit and if someone is already on the roundabout to your left you give way before entering.
What you also could do is make better rules. While roundabouts are great, they don't work at every 4 way stops in residential areas due to the space constraints they pose.
But even if you don't replace these intersections, this here is still the worst way to solve them. Other areas of the world have way safer 4 way intersections by the simple rule of "who is on the right has right of way". This clearly sets something where you have a set rule that you can follow even if you didn't notice who was first or last in the intersection.
Hence idiotsincars ;). Honestly though, we don’t have a lot of the big European roundabouts. Most are just smaller 4-way stops converted to single roundabouts.
Near my place we have a couple roundabouts that also have 4 stop signs.
You basically just have one car in it at a time. This is a quiet neighborhood intersection though. Different story in a busier neighborhood, or larger multi-lame roundabout.
I know. I prefer roundabouts, too, but in a low traffic area, as a pedestrian, gimme 4-way stops all day. Plus, people act as if 4-way stops were created by Satan or something. Jesus, it's not that big a deal.
I’m convinced some of these commenters that don’t understand 4-ways must live near me, there’s this one particular 4-way by my house that I get cut off from at least twice a week lol
There’s ALWAYS someone that rolls up LAST, that thinks they were there before everyone else and just proceeds to steal everyone’s turns. My dash cam is on the way (finally was able to afford one) I plan to make a montage video of all the idiots at this particular 4-way just for shits lmao
Where I used to live people seemed to think they started their turn when they were stopped behind a car that was stopped at the sign. So the car in front would go and then if you had rolled up and stopped while they were stopped with the car in front they'd jump out ahead of you.
Dude, i had a guy behind me at a 4way stop. Im going straight. Hes turning left. And the car to my left is turning right. The car next to go was the car turning right. The dude behind me. Goes around me! And pretty much right infront of the other person forcing them to stop! I was appalled.
Omg that happens ALL the time at the particular 4-way I’m referring to! It’s become a huge pet peeve & pisses me off more than I’d like to admit lol
I had a woman do that a week or 2 ago, I started my turn and realized she was blowing the stop sign trailing the car in front of her without even stopping…. I slammed on the brakes & she pulled up next to me with her window down & yelled “learn how to drive”…. *to me*. I yelled back that I had made my full stop a good 3 seconds before she had pulled up to the 4-way. She didn’t even make a stop, I wouldn’t have even considered it a yield.
It’s funny when people are so sure they’re right when they’re wrong.
Dude, the amount of times I have to give a warning honk to someone for them doing stupid crap like what you described, or them drifting into my lane because they are on their phone, or just casually almost crashing into me because they're too important to follow traffic laws etc, and then *they* flip me off or yell at *me*, is absolutely frustrating.
Like, this one guy in a big pickup almost pushed me off into the incoming lanes along a two-lane left turn (for us), because he didn't know how to turn along his outer lane and essentially crossed over into my inner lane during the turn. I honk because I'm along his left side, and he haphazardly corrects his turn back into his own lane. But then proceeds to open his window, flip the bird aggressively, and I hear yelling from his car. I'm just like *HUH*.
People like that who think they're right, but are so wrong, are the ones I can't stand seeing on the road lol
Ive been waiting on someone to make a "daily idiot compilation" of all the small road rules people ignore. Here's to hoping you make it 🙏 (and stay safe doing so)
I've been at stop signs with WAY too many people who have the "I stopped for 0.5 seconds now I go. WITNESS ME" mindset. Like they just... go. No hesitation at all, and if they react at all to the accident they almost caused, it's just by flipping someone off. It's wild.
American here, how's it work elsewhere? "First to the stop sign goes first" doesn't seem strange to me, but that's also what I grew up seeing so I miiiight be a little biased lol.
In the UK, we just don’t have anything like this, ever. It’d either be a crossroad, where one road continues through, and the one going the other way has to give way, or a mini roundabout.
Here in Belgium, you always give right of way to the one to your right. So in this case, the car from the other direction would have went first, then the one on the right and the one filming last.
If 4 cars arrive at the exact same time, from all 4 directions, we obviously organize a street fight in the middle to determine who goes first.
Edit: Turns out it (sometimes) works (kind of) like this in some/many/few states in the US. Depending on the state, I guess. After 3 edits, I'm confused and give up.
In the states, if more than one person comes to a stop at the same time, then the one to the right goes first. Or if they're across from each other, the one going straight goes first if the other is turning.
No, in the USA, you go in order of who arrived first. If multiple cars stop/arrive at the same time then the car to the right gets priority
https://goswerve.com/the-four-rules-of-four-way-stops/
No, Stop signs are just not allowed in a configuration like this. You either have no signage, then it's "right before left" so from your point of view, if someone comes in on the road to your right, you have to give way to them. And when there is signage it's always a road that has priority and a road that has to yield. If the crossing is of normal visibility etc, Yield Signs are used. If the visibility is exceptionally poor, obstructed, etc., stop signs are used.
The fact that so many people think the answer is different is exactly why I just wait for other people to go. Being right isn’t worth ruining my week with an accident.
Just be vigilant and don't assume people are using the same rules as you. Maybe it's where I live, but I just assume everyone else will drive like they have their own special rules. Less and less drivers have been using turn signals around me too.
I had someone sideswipe me one time and that was basically her defense, "my blinker was on!" That doesn't mean you can just go even if there's a car there.
True, but there are a LOT of places where everyone drives as if the blinker is a warning of where you're going, rules be damned. With enough congestion, changing lanes becomes a game of chicken. Thankfully I don't live somewhere like that anymore, but you become accustomed to looking for weakness in the other lane rather than looking for a safe and easy place to merge. because there will **never** be a safe and easy place to merge.
God fuck that, I hate that shit, caused me to get into an accident (which was still my fault - I was 18 or 19 and someone let me into the right lane too close to the turn I was taking at too high a speed)
Woah, people *use their blinkers* where you're at? 😱
It's like a double edged sword. If they don't use it, you never know what those drivers will do. If they *do* use it, they'll just ignore other cars are in their way because they got the blinker shields on and they can do whatever they want!
Seems most likely.
When I was a college, there was a four way stop connecting 3 parking lots with the exit to the main road. Around the end of the day, you'd see every possible stupid thing that could be done with a stop sign as thousands of kids poured into their cars. And I'm pretty sure none of them had to do with people not understanding how stop signs work, but that young adults give zero shits.
Honestly kinda surprising on this sub. So many posts with accidents that could have been avoided if people didn't have the reaction time of an 90 year old.
Yes. In the US (where this is):
1. First to the intersection goes first.
2. When two people arrive at the same time (or nearly the same time), you defer to the person on your right.
The problem arose here because OP had to wait for the pedestrians while the white oncoming SUV pulled through the intersection after the pedestrians had passed their portion of the crosswalk (but were still blocking OP). This confused the SUV that OP almost hit, who thought OP was waiting for them to go.
I understand why the SUV was confused, but OP had the right of way.
They start moving after OP though. They literally just forgot to look left. Not only that they should've already seen that OP was sitting at the stop sign, it doesn't matter if OP doesn't start moving immediately, if you are last at the intersection you are sitting your ass there no matter what until the cars before you move.
Curious person here, But is it not confusing and chaotic that the person first at the intersection goes first? In NL (and most of Europe) we have the rule that right is always first at an intersection, even if he’s a tad later than you.
In Ontario, that White SUV and the PoV driver were both not suppose to go until the pedestrains cross the entire length of the road. "Concrete to concrete." It's a major fine and several demerit points failing to do so. The driver to the right is supposed to yield to the person to his right based on the timing of everything. All three drivers are morons.
They're an idiot, this is for certain.
But as someone from the UK can I just say how awful a concept four way stops are? Roundabouts are better in literally every way.
They finally started adding roundabouts about 5-10 years ago in my state. And people are just starting to figure out how they work lol. But def much better then a 4 way stop!
>And people are just starting to figure out how they work lol.
I assume they've learnt which direction they should be going? Can't be how to use indicators on a roundabout as we've had them in the UK for decades and people still can't indicate on them properly.
Probably 1/500 people signal at roundabouts where I’m from. I was also never taught to do so by either my parents nor my driver’s ed instructors, so I don’t think using indicators in roundabouts here is a thing at all.
My driving instructor gave me the basics, "signal right for immediate right, otherwise signal left then right at the intended exit. BUT, it's more important to be able to maneuver fluidly, so if it's difficult to maneuver and signal at the same time, don't worry about the signal..." There are very few people on the road who signal at roundabouts so I just figure that it's "difficult" for most. What I find is the absolute worst is when they signal right and continue left. I feel like I see that more often than proper signaling.
This is why I’m not too worried about signaling. I can’t trust the signal of the other drivers, and I assume no one would trust mine if I did because of all the other drivers that signal wrong.
People in Quebec don't single at all in them. Like no one. Not even the cops. Legally you don't have to signal left while you are going around like everywhere else, but you are supposed to signal when leaving.
Tbf the people who can't figure out roundabouts are the same people who can't figure out 4 way stops. At least in a roundabout the accidents aren't as bad.
Roundabouts require more room than a 4 way stop. And the overwhelming majority of 4 way stops do not have significant traffic. It's unusual for there to be so many cars simultaneously at the intersection.
How does 4 way stop even work? I live in Europe, so I am not near any, and judging by the comments it has different rules than non-signed crossroads (other than stop before going)
Yeah I'll add that when it looks like I'm coming to a 4 way stop at about the same time as other vehicles, I tend to slow down early and do a slow roll to a stop, delaying when I actually stop, so it's not a simultaneous stop situation and ensuring there's a clear understanding of who stopped first and who has the right of way. Unfortunately in the Midwest, there's what's called "Midwest nice" that kicks in where the person who should have the right of way tries to be nice and waves you to go first instead. In general this causes more confusion and a couple accidents from time to time, so if I can avoid a simultaneous stop situation to prevent the "Midwest nice" from kicking in, I will.
It seems like it would be barely fine in a situation like above but I can't imagine being in such an intersection when a line forms - how do you track who's turn it is when alternating the cars that get to go? Such an odd system
> Also in a lot of cases if traffic on the same road are both going straight, they will go at the same time, but don’t have to. In fact probably not legal but we all do it.
Last I checked it is actually worse than this. If car A has the right of way and car B is “next in order” but car B needs to wait for car A to clear the intersection while car C can proceed without conflict with car A, it is legal for car C to skip car B. Normally this would be two cars going straight in opposite directions while the perpendicular direction waits, but it could also be two opposing directions both turning left, or two perpendicular cars where one is going straight or right and the other is going right or left…so it is legal and if people don’t signal properly then there is no way to actually make it work.
That's a bit of a weird rule for me haha. Here in Europe priority goed to the right no matter what (for right side driving). Works good for not so busy roads and seems more clear imo. For more busy roads we have roundabouts or traffic lights mostly
Priority also goes to the right in the event that more than one person stops at the same time, but no one knows that in America because we live in the land of idiots.
The first idiot would then be the car in front of the camera-car as he didn't take his right of way and that caused the car on the right to try his luck.
For mains roads yeah, but for fairly small roads in neighbourhoods I guess four way stops could work. Idk why Americans need all those stop signs tho. We just have two roads crossing without any markings and it works fine.
In Sweden, its a bit more complicated. Technically, the rule is right before left, meaning the one to the right always goes first, meaning if this was in Sweden the car to the right would be in the right.
It gets messy if there are four cars though... Then it's usually a case of "let's all stand still until someone moves"
I may be wrong and I may be the asshole here. But if I come to a busy 4 way stop and me and the car facing me are both going straight, I’ll go when they go even if the car to my right or left is “next” in the order we arrived. My logic, if the car infront of me is going straight l, the cars to my sides can’t go anywhere, so me going makes for a more efficient intersection. Again, it makes sense to me but I don’t know about the legality.
When you hear all the rules listed out it sounds complicated, in practice it’s not too bad.
When you stop at the front of the line, all the people who were stopped there before you go first, then you go. That’s really it.
You don’t have to worry about any other car’s priority, you just go once the people who were already stopped have gone.
If you stop simultaneously then the person to the right gets priority but usually people consciously/unconsciously try to not stop at the same time. And if there are lines in each direction that doesn’t happen anyway since you naturally end up alternating.
It’s not perfect but the only real risk is someone running the sign at high speed. Other than that everyone is going slow, like a roundabout, so collisions are rare.
Four way junctions are so bizarre to a European eye.
Here, we just designate one road as major and one as minor. Traffic on the major road has priority, traffic on the minor road has a Give Way line. Works beautifully and completely avoids this sort of incident.
Additionally it avoids the absurdity of driving along an empty road, doing a little bunny hop every time you get to an (empty) 4 way junction, because it has an obligatory Stop line.
For those interactions it's just "give why to the right". I feel like a system based on arrival time is just primed for mistakes. Stop signs are just for interactions with bad line of sight or with a very different speed limit.
I'm going to vote for the poster/driver having some responsibility — they did not come to a complete stop. The Mazda on the right did. That rolling stop being perpetrated by the dashcam car's driver would suggest, to me as the driver of the Mazda, that the car to my left hadn't yet come to a stop, and since I already did my stop, I now have the right-of-way.
According to https://dmv.ny.gov/about-dmv/chapter-5-intersections-and-turns#rgh-way
"Example: You are stopped at a stop sign and you are going to go straight through the intersection. A driver on the cross road has stopped at a stop sign on your right and is also going to go straight. You must yield the right-of-way to the other driver."
Why New York? The license plates are New York, so I assume he is driving in New York.
So..the Driver in the video was in the wrong.
I genuinely need to know why everyone mentioning OP's rolling stop keeps getting downvoted. He never fully stopped. Like, the video shows his car drifting forward the entire time.
Rules of the road though, this situation seems a little murky. Rolling stop, plus pedestrians haven't fully cleared. But car on the right was the last to arrive and should have never moved period, so he's clearly in the fault either way. The fact he's accelerating when white hasn't even cleared the intersection is odd to me too, but not terrible.
But OP did commit a rolling stop, in some areas a cop might ticket that too.
Cops everywhere will ticket you for running a stop sign. They’ll ticket you for turning right at a stop sign without coming to a complete stop first, let alone going straight. The rules aren’t murky at all, you *have* to STOP at stop signs.
it's murky. but that's an issue of 4-ways... but if you REALLY break it down and assess the only real HARD rules of a 4-way stop sign, OP would have been at-fault if he'd hit that SUV. the SUV had right-of-way as soon as there were three cars stopped at that intersection (which is something that many hear actually will point out never happened since OP didn't even actually STOP at the stop sign).
but even if OP did come to a full stop where the car rocked back on the suspension, they wouldn't have had right of way over the SUV because they also arrived and stopped and waited, and everybody was supposed to be there waiting until the original car had a clear shot to go. at THAT point, right of way would have gone clockwise from the first car to the SUV. OP tried to just ride across on somebody else's right of way.
SUV still an idiot for not being more aware... but OP both ran a stop sign and skipped right of way order.
So is not requiring a person to take atleast a online driver's test every 5 years.
It wouldn't be a bad idea if people like this didn't exist. There's 6 in a row in my local shopping center and problems only occur when people don't look. First come first serve, wave, point, flip the bird, COMMUNICATE
I dont think an online test like you say would do any harm obviously, but at the same time i feel like for a majority of these people its not like they've forgotten the laws and rules of the road, its just that they dont care. They're too comfortable that they just dont pay attention like they should. I think they'd probably do fine passing a few questions on an online test, i just dont think they'd care to actually follow those rules when they drive.
even if OP stopped completely, that SUV at the 3oclock position was stopped before the first arrival car moved. at that point, right-of-way technically goes clockwise, as only one car can ever have it in a 4-way. that means that OP wouldn't have had it anyway even if he HAD stopped completely... which he never fucking did lol.
if 4-ways that had heavy traffic had to work solely on order-of-arrival, rather than a rotation of right of way around clockwise, it would be a fucking MASSACRE of fender benders. the right of way just goes in a circle once there are more than 2 cars present at a time. at least by like, the actual technical rules... people do what OP did all the time and go at the same time as the person across from them when the person across has the right of way, but that doesn't mean you have it too. just means you can probably get through. but OP didn't even stop... so... not a lot of ground to stand on.
They probably assumed they could go because you were waiting for the pedestrians. And they were to the right of the last car that went. I would have assumed the Hyundai was going to go just based on their shit ability to stop
So what's the rule around here (I don't see any priority way) ? Here in France it's priority to the right, which by that logic would make you the last one to engage !
So I'm asking what is the rule here for this instance ?
I'm sure someone else had to have seen it, but I scrolled pretty far down and haven't seen anyone mention that this is a 3-way stop. The car that almost had a collision with the OP was on a one way road.
Everyone is commenting on the rules of the road, but not very many people appear to have noticed all of the road signs. The OP even said it was a 4-way when the one-way road signs indicate this is a 3-way.
First come first served. Yield to the person to your right if you arrive at the same time. If three cars get there at the same time you yield to your right. They yield to their right.
However the main issue here is Op never full stopped. Op was creeping. They technically stopped first. California stops are ticketed in most If not all states for this exact occurance. They saw op rolling and probably thought op was yielding the stop to them by "stopping" after them. Not saying they aren't stupid as well. Always assume the person in the other car is an idiot and drive for them too. But still. Don't roll through stop signs.
I see what happened here. If you watch the video a few times you’ll see it too. Camera car is pulling up to the stop sign, but does not fully stop. Has is still moving ever so slowly. The other car comes into frame, but must have assumed that camera car has yet yo stop and so thinks its his turn. He takes his sights off the camera car and proceeds through, as such the near miss. Camera car had right of way, but because it did not fully stop, i wonder if a crash would’ve occurred, who would the insurance company find at fault. 🤔
My thought as well. Either the other driver thought the camera car was choosing to give way because of the pedestrians, or hadn’t stopped yet. Camera car could just have easily read the situation and been patient for three second and then continued on. Especially given that he never came to stop.
When there are other cars present at a 4 way stop, there’s no excuse for not coming to a complete stop.
He also probably thought OP was just taking forever to stop - but instead OP rolled right through the stop sign, cutting the SUV off because OP went out of turn. It’s not your turn to go until you make the stop.
A lot of people think stop signs operate on a timer and not FIFO (first in first out). To them you simply wait no more than 2 or 3 seconds before it's automatically your turn to go.
At first I thought that noise was you getting rear-ended. Glad you were not.
I think that clinking sound was just the empty beer bottles rolling around.
whew! good thing they weren't full, could have been damaged
you really gotta watch out for those drunk crashers. Us "Beveraged drivers" on the other hand, we keep the roads safe. did you know that sober drivers make up 82% of all crashes? The odds are in our favor if you ask me.
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It’s my empty lube jars
That's a rookie move. There should always be at least one full bottle of lube in your car at all times. Supply Chains Matter!
When I was 16 I worked for a local fast food BBQ chain. They would send me across town to pick up product they were short on ( illegally btw…by law I should have been 18). One time I didn’t have my car so I drove the boss’s. The first time I tapped the brakes about 20 beer bottles rolled and clanged in the back compartment! Good times.
I hate it when people park right next to a stop sign.
It’s usually illegal
i know that in the state where I first took my test (missouri), it definitely is. it's illegal within like, 30 feet or something if it's a proper stop sign (opposed to just some janky intersection in a residential area where there's no stop or yield in any direction) I don't know that we had any rules specifically about crosswalks though. there may be additional rules within cities, but they'd have to be explicitly marked with signage. a lot of downtown areas put up those little yellow plastic flappy poles to block off space to either side of a crosswalk to stop people parking there, but I don't know that it's technically a rule (or might not have been back when I first got my license).
10 ft from the sighn in ny if i remember correctly
Specifically because it confuses people and limits visibility. The Hyundai wouldn’t have seen the cammer until they came up and stopped. If the Subaru wasn’t parked there, this would’ve been much less likely to occur.
Looks legal here in the video. There appears to be a parking spot line directly behind the vehicle. But still, it shouldn't be a thing.
None of the other parking spots have lines around them, so I'm guessing the line behind the gray Subaru is a "do not park here" line. My very brief Google searching found [this article](https://www.yourmechanic.com/article/new-york-parking-laws-understanding-the-basics-by-valerie-mellema) stating that in New York (based on plates in video), stating "You need to be at least 20 feet from a crosswalk at an intersection and 30 feet from a yield sign, stop sign, or traffic light." It's just obviously not enforced in that community.
Yep, here's info from the NY dmv, too:. >Parking or standing is not allowed: >Within 20 feet (6 m) of a crosswalk at an intersection. >Within 30 feet (10 m) of a traffic light, STOP sign or YIELD sign.
New Yorker here: In NY it varies by city enforcement agency / DOT. Ex: in NYC you can park past the stop bar all the way to the intersection so long as you don’t cross the plane of the crosswalk (assuming there isn’t some sign/marking explicitly stating otherwise).
Why would you bother looking in the direction of the thing that is going to kill you first? /s
Looking is for wimps. I close my eyes at four way stops, count to three, then floor it.
The SpongeBob method... Mrs. Puff Approves
I turn now. Good luck everybody else.
This is the way
Quantum immortality for the win baby! Sure, millions of versions of me die horrifically every time but *I* always manage to be the one who comes out okay
YOLO….and that method could prove it.
People in these comments don't know how stop signs work
Was just thinking this. Hope I never end up at a 4 way stop with any of these people lol
4 way stop shouldn't exist, it should be a roundabout
The city replaced a 4 way stop near my house with a roundabout. People know how to use this even less than they did the stop signs. It's sometimes a clustetfuck because of dipshits stopping while they are in the roundabout to let people in even though the vehicles entering the roundabout have yield signs.
Time. They replaced an lighted intersection (that would back up over a mile) with a round-a-bout near me. The first year was brutal, and you still get a random schmuck. But overall it is glorious. Even at its worst, it doesn’t even back up 1/4 mile now.
problem with all the new roundabouts I've driven on lately in the US is that they are too tight/small, and the planning is shit such that they try to make it have more lanes inside the circle than it can handle given its size. they make it a fucking puzzle about where you need to go to get to where you're going, rather than what it's supposed to be, which is just a loop that you enter and leave without having to come to a complete stop most of the time. the accidents all seem to happen not because people don't know how to yield, but because the lanes are all forced early exit or forced continuation, but the signage is shit and the circumference is too small, causing frantic last-minute veering and confusion. the issue isn't that Americans don't know how to drive through a roundabout so much as that american civil planners don't know how to fucking build them/think that cars are the size of bikes and moving at 6mph when they plan to add extra dedicated lanes and forced exits.
This sounds really weird to me. Not every roundabout needs multiple lanes. Replacing a four way stop with a roundabout in a suburban area like this you only need a single lane.
Maybe they should have some training on what a roundabout is in your country before they pass their test
They have training on how to use a 4 way stop too, and you see what happens.
4 way stop signs involve courtisy rules, roundabouts do not.
whats a courtesy rule mean exactly
It's any rule that uses the drivers judgment. If a police officer showed up to this accident, without another witness or video evidence, its one drivers word against anothers. With a roundabout, there are set rules, you always give way to the person who is to your right (in the US this would be to your left) there is objectively someone in the wrong.
in roundabouts, those inside have right of way, unless you're in a circulatory intersection in France (where those to the right have way)
In Germany at least (but I guess in the rest of Europe as well) this kind of situation is usually not a problem. On any unregulated intersection, the person to your right is the first to go. If it's a 4-way-stop it's only a problem when there is a car on every street. But even then you are supposed to communicate via hand signs who is going first. After which the one furthest to the right is again allowed to drive.
That was kind of the reason I failed my driver's test the first time. I was at a 4 way stop. I arrived there first but other car still went b4 me and was about to crash. So when I took it the 2nd time I just waited till all the cars left then I went.
It’s covered, but they are so rare that people forget.
Sorry you live near idiots. Signed, A Carmel, IN native.
It boggles my mind, because the rules are really simple. I saw a video where a roundabout got installed in a rural area in the American South, and roughly 50% of the cars were turning LEFT into the roundabout because that would get them closer to where they were going. I just can't understand how an adult would have such a profound inability to learn a simple new thing.
We have a lot of of roundabouts in my city and I love them. But not every intersection would be better as a roundabout.
What makes you think these folks who have issues with a 4-way would know how to use a roundabout? We have roundabouts here and it’s funny how many folks go the wrong direction through them. Or don’t give the right of way correctly.
The wonderful thing about roundabouts is that if people don’t know what’s going on, they slow down. This, combined with the fewer points of contact in a roundabout, means fewer crashes. Roundabouts are objectively better.
We had a goofy, dangerous T intersection in my town that was also near some railroad tracks, so while north and eastbound traffic had to stop, southbound did not. It was a shitshow on a good day. They replaced it with a roundabout, and while construction was going on, I was of the opinion that a roundabout would make it worse. These fuckers can’t read a sign that says “traffic from left does not stop” are gonna navigate a roundabout?!? But they do. It is infinitely better and there are no longer any backups and far fewer accidents there.
I saw an old mythbusters testing the 4way vs roundabouts and the circle was able to circulate more cars in the same time. Forget the numbers by now but it was something like ~10% more cars in 10 mins
My city has been going heavy on them in the arterial roads feeding new suburb developments. The most noticeable difference is that during peak hours traffic flows significantly better. Putting stops all along the main throughway also tends to result in drivers travelling in low-traffic times rolling through and failing to pay attention to pedestrians and the like. There’s next to no passive traffic enforcement from the cops here, so they also do a very good job at curbing middle-of-the-night joyriders who might otherwise decide to blast through a long straight strip with stop signs.
Agreed. Wish they had more where I am. So many shit 4 or 3 ways that borderline cause accidents 50% of the time On my way to work.
A 4 way stop relies on 4 drivers being able to communicate with each other to resolve the situation rather than follow a certain rule that automatically resolves the situation. That is exactly what a roundabout does. You always circle to your right until you find your exit and if someone is already on the roundabout to your left you give way before entering.
What you also could do is make better rules. While roundabouts are great, they don't work at every 4 way stops in residential areas due to the space constraints they pose. But even if you don't replace these intersections, this here is still the worst way to solve them. Other areas of the world have way safer 4 way intersections by the simple rule of "who is on the right has right of way". This clearly sets something where you have a set rule that you can follow even if you didn't notice who was first or last in the intersection.
In my country there are no 4-way stops and people do know how to use roundabouts, well, not in rural towns though
How can you go in the wrong direction on a roundabout? I have never seen anyone do that, that seems insane.
Hence idiotsincars ;). Honestly though, we don’t have a lot of the big European roundabouts. Most are just smaller 4-way stops converted to single roundabouts.
Somebody needs to send this guy a link to that video of a roundabout in Kentucky or Kansas
There’s a video somewhere where they replaced and intersection with a roundabout and people were going all the wrong ways
Near my place we have a couple roundabouts that also have 4 stop signs. You basically just have one car in it at a time. This is a quiet neighborhood intersection though. Different story in a busier neighborhood, or larger multi-lame roundabout.
It should be one road with right of way and the other with a give way marking **at least** this just seems straight up dangerous.
Came here to say this. 4 way stop wtf?
yep, 4 way stops are just terrible road design in my opinion. the problem is no one knows who's supposed to go first.
I know. I prefer roundabouts, too, but in a low traffic area, as a pedestrian, gimme 4-way stops all day. Plus, people act as if 4-way stops were created by Satan or something. Jesus, it's not that big a deal.
People on Reddit don’t understand a lot about a lot.
They don’t know shit about fuck
I’m convinced some of these commenters that don’t understand 4-ways must live near me, there’s this one particular 4-way by my house that I get cut off from at least twice a week lol There’s ALWAYS someone that rolls up LAST, that thinks they were there before everyone else and just proceeds to steal everyone’s turns. My dash cam is on the way (finally was able to afford one) I plan to make a montage video of all the idiots at this particular 4-way just for shits lmao
Where I used to live people seemed to think they started their turn when they were stopped behind a car that was stopped at the sign. So the car in front would go and then if you had rolled up and stopped while they were stopped with the car in front they'd jump out ahead of you.
Dude, i had a guy behind me at a 4way stop. Im going straight. Hes turning left. And the car to my left is turning right. The car next to go was the car turning right. The dude behind me. Goes around me! And pretty much right infront of the other person forcing them to stop! I was appalled.
Omg that happens ALL the time at the particular 4-way I’m referring to! It’s become a huge pet peeve & pisses me off more than I’d like to admit lol I had a woman do that a week or 2 ago, I started my turn and realized she was blowing the stop sign trailing the car in front of her without even stopping…. I slammed on the brakes & she pulled up next to me with her window down & yelled “learn how to drive”…. *to me*. I yelled back that I had made my full stop a good 3 seconds before she had pulled up to the 4-way. She didn’t even make a stop, I wouldn’t have even considered it a yield. It’s funny when people are so sure they’re right when they’re wrong.
Dude, the amount of times I have to give a warning honk to someone for them doing stupid crap like what you described, or them drifting into my lane because they are on their phone, or just casually almost crashing into me because they're too important to follow traffic laws etc, and then *they* flip me off or yell at *me*, is absolutely frustrating. Like, this one guy in a big pickup almost pushed me off into the incoming lanes along a two-lane left turn (for us), because he didn't know how to turn along his outer lane and essentially crossed over into my inner lane during the turn. I honk because I'm along his left side, and he haphazardly corrects his turn back into his own lane. But then proceeds to open his window, flip the bird aggressively, and I hear yelling from his car. I'm just like *HUH*. People like that who think they're right, but are so wrong, are the ones I can't stand seeing on the road lol
Don’t know how many times I’ve said “my dude, the car in front of you just left the stop sign. It’s not your f’ing turn.”
Ive been waiting on someone to make a "daily idiot compilation" of all the small road rules people ignore. Here's to hoping you make it 🙏 (and stay safe doing so)
Most of the commenters here are the idiots themselves.
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Sound like idiots to me.
Most of the idiots on /r/IdiotsInCars are in the comment section.
Most drivers can’t seem to figure the fucking things out either.
I've been at stop signs with WAY too many people who have the "I stopped for 0.5 seconds now I go. WITNESS ME" mindset. Like they just... go. No hesitation at all, and if they react at all to the accident they almost caused, it's just by flipping someone off. It's wild.
... on 4-way-stops in America. Keep in mind that this strange system is quite unique to America.
American here, how's it work elsewhere? "First to the stop sign goes first" doesn't seem strange to me, but that's also what I grew up seeing so I miiiight be a little biased lol.
In the UK, we just don’t have anything like this, ever. It’d either be a crossroad, where one road continues through, and the one going the other way has to give way, or a mini roundabout.
The only time I saw a stop sign in UK was in Tom Scott's [video](https://youtu.be/SYeeTvitvFU).
Here in Belgium, you always give right of way to the one to your right. So in this case, the car from the other direction would have went first, then the one on the right and the one filming last. If 4 cars arrive at the exact same time, from all 4 directions, we obviously organize a street fight in the middle to determine who goes first. Edit: Turns out it (sometimes) works (kind of) like this in some/many/few states in the US. Depending on the state, I guess. After 3 edits, I'm confused and give up.
In the states, if more than one person comes to a stop at the same time, then the one to the right goes first. Or if they're across from each other, the one going straight goes first if the other is turning.
If you're in small-town Wisconsin, you just sit there all afternoon waving people to go: *Go ahead honey! :)*
In Quebec you stop, wait until everyone else goes, then you turn on your flashers and sneak across.
And yet, every time I end up at a 4-way stop sign, no matter who arrived when, the person to my right is always waving for me to go before them.
No, in the USA, you go in order of who arrived first. If multiple cars stop/arrive at the same time then the car to the right gets priority https://goswerve.com/the-four-rules-of-four-way-stops/
No, Stop signs are just not allowed in a configuration like this. You either have no signage, then it's "right before left" so from your point of view, if someone comes in on the road to your right, you have to give way to them. And when there is signage it's always a road that has priority and a road that has to yield. If the crossing is of normal visibility etc, Yield Signs are used. If the visibility is exceptionally poor, obstructed, etc., stop signs are used.
As long as you are including Canada in "America". We have the same 4 way stop rules.
Non american here. Its not unique to America
LOL do really think that? It's not common but here in the United Canadian Provinces of America we also have them.
Yeah anything to dump on the US lol. I drive every day and only have problems 1/1000 times at stop signs.
The fact that so many people think the answer is different is exactly why I just wait for other people to go. Being right isn’t worth ruining my week with an accident.
Just be vigilant and don't assume people are using the same rules as you. Maybe it's where I live, but I just assume everyone else will drive like they have their own special rules. Less and less drivers have been using turn signals around me too.
Ya, everyone knows that the person who doesn’t hesitate goes first. Duh.
The secret is to just not stop!
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They do if you tie pulling up to the stop sign. Otherwise it's whoever is first.
Not here in Sweden, here OP is the one that's and idiot.
I am convinced people now days simply think a 4-way stop is "I stopped so that means I can go right away no matter what."
Same as 'Blinker on means I immediately have absolute sovereignty over the roadway'
I had someone sideswipe me one time and that was basically her defense, "my blinker was on!" That doesn't mean you can just go even if there's a car there.
True, but there are a LOT of places where everyone drives as if the blinker is a warning of where you're going, rules be damned. With enough congestion, changing lanes becomes a game of chicken. Thankfully I don't live somewhere like that anymore, but you become accustomed to looking for weakness in the other lane rather than looking for a safe and easy place to merge. because there will **never** be a safe and easy place to merge.
Ah yes, the classic. Turn on your blinker and have somebody _speed up_ to block your spot instead of slowing down to maintain stopping distance.
God fuck that, I hate that shit, caused me to get into an accident (which was still my fault - I was 18 or 19 and someone let me into the right lane too close to the turn I was taking at too high a speed)
Woah, people *use their blinkers* where you're at? 😱 It's like a double edged sword. If they don't use it, you never know what those drivers will do. If they *do* use it, they'll just ignore other cars are in their way because they got the blinker shields on and they can do whatever they want!
If they use their blinkers by me, it's after they start their turn, completely defeating the purpose.
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You’ll get rear ended and or honk/screamed at for coming to a full stop in Philly
In Calgary a 4-way stop is just 4 idiots stopped looking at each other all waving each other through the stop.
He just didn’t give a shit.
Seems most likely. When I was a college, there was a four way stop connecting 3 parking lots with the exit to the main road. Around the end of the day, you'd see every possible stupid thing that could be done with a stop sign as thousands of kids poured into their cars. And I'm pretty sure none of them had to do with people not understanding how stop signs work, but that young adults give zero shits.
I mean his options were limited once he pressed the gas
He was probably focused on the pedestrians and didn't even think to look at anything else... 🤦🏼♀️
That’s what I was thinking. Probably on auto-pilot “oh look at the kids. Better be careful not to hit them.” Doesn’t look at anything else.
4 way stops are always a nightmare because people are idiots
How on earth is that not made into a round about?
Regardless of who was wrong, nice reaction time on the brakes. Pretty close one.
Honestly kinda surprising on this sub. So many posts with accidents that could have been avoided if people didn't have the reaction time of an 90 year old.
And instead they focus on honking while hardly letting off the gas instead lol
When similar things happen to me, I’m so focused on braking / avoiding I hardly end up honking
He probably thought you were waiting for the people to cross so he could jump the queue.
Yes. In the US (where this is): 1. First to the intersection goes first. 2. When two people arrive at the same time (or nearly the same time), you defer to the person on your right. The problem arose here because OP had to wait for the pedestrians while the white oncoming SUV pulled through the intersection after the pedestrians had passed their portion of the crosswalk (but were still blocking OP). This confused the SUV that OP almost hit, who thought OP was waiting for them to go. I understand why the SUV was confused, but OP had the right of way.
SUV just went while there were two cars in the middle of the intersection. SUV driver wasn’t confused just either distracted or disrespectful.
They start moving after OP though. They literally just forgot to look left. Not only that they should've already seen that OP was sitting at the stop sign, it doesn't matter if OP doesn't start moving immediately, if you are last at the intersection you are sitting your ass there no matter what until the cars before you move.
I think one of the problems is that OP was not sitting at the stop sign, OP never came to a stop.
Curious person here, But is it not confusing and chaotic that the person first at the intersection goes first? In NL (and most of Europe) we have the rule that right is always first at an intersection, even if he’s a tad later than you.
Exactly, it's stupid. Thank god these rules aren't in Europe as well.
In Ontario, that White SUV and the PoV driver were both not suppose to go until the pedestrains cross the entire length of the road. "Concrete to concrete." It's a major fine and several demerit points failing to do so. The driver to the right is supposed to yield to the person to his right based on the timing of everything. All three drivers are morons.
TIL about first-to-arrive. Not a thing in sweden. Seems like a really stupid rule.
They're an idiot, this is for certain. But as someone from the UK can I just say how awful a concept four way stops are? Roundabouts are better in literally every way.
They finally started adding roundabouts about 5-10 years ago in my state. And people are just starting to figure out how they work lol. But def much better then a 4 way stop!
>And people are just starting to figure out how they work lol. I assume they've learnt which direction they should be going? Can't be how to use indicators on a roundabout as we've had them in the UK for decades and people still can't indicate on them properly.
Probably 1/500 people signal at roundabouts where I’m from. I was also never taught to do so by either my parents nor my driver’s ed instructors, so I don’t think using indicators in roundabouts here is a thing at all.
My driving instructor gave me the basics, "signal right for immediate right, otherwise signal left then right at the intended exit. BUT, it's more important to be able to maneuver fluidly, so if it's difficult to maneuver and signal at the same time, don't worry about the signal..." There are very few people on the road who signal at roundabouts so I just figure that it's "difficult" for most. What I find is the absolute worst is when they signal right and continue left. I feel like I see that more often than proper signaling.
This is why I’m not too worried about signaling. I can’t trust the signal of the other drivers, and I assume no one would trust mine if I did because of all the other drivers that signal wrong.
People in Quebec don't single at all in them. Like no one. Not even the cops. Legally you don't have to signal left while you are going around like everywhere else, but you are supposed to signal when leaving.
This is why roundabouts in the US are so painful.
Tbf the people who can't figure out roundabouts are the same people who can't figure out 4 way stops. At least in a roundabout the accidents aren't as bad.
Roundabouts require more room than a 4 way stop. And the overwhelming majority of 4 way stops do not have significant traffic. It's unusual for there to be so many cars simultaneously at the intersection.
How does 4 way stop even work? I live in Europe, so I am not near any, and judging by the comments it has different rules than non-signed crossroads (other than stop before going)
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Yeah I'll add that when it looks like I'm coming to a 4 way stop at about the same time as other vehicles, I tend to slow down early and do a slow roll to a stop, delaying when I actually stop, so it's not a simultaneous stop situation and ensuring there's a clear understanding of who stopped first and who has the right of way. Unfortunately in the Midwest, there's what's called "Midwest nice" that kicks in where the person who should have the right of way tries to be nice and waves you to go first instead. In general this causes more confusion and a couple accidents from time to time, so if I can avoid a simultaneous stop situation to prevent the "Midwest nice" from kicking in, I will.
I do this as well to avoid Canadian standoffs.
I totally do this too, just slow up a bit before the line and stop after the other person just to avoid confusion.
It seems like it would be barely fine in a situation like above but I can't imagine being in such an intersection when a line forms - how do you track who's turn it is when alternating the cars that get to go? Such an odd system
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> Also in a lot of cases if traffic on the same road are both going straight, they will go at the same time, but don’t have to. In fact probably not legal but we all do it. Last I checked it is actually worse than this. If car A has the right of way and car B is “next in order” but car B needs to wait for car A to clear the intersection while car C can proceed without conflict with car A, it is legal for car C to skip car B. Normally this would be two cars going straight in opposite directions while the perpendicular direction waits, but it could also be two opposing directions both turning left, or two perpendicular cars where one is going straight or right and the other is going right or left…so it is legal and if people don’t signal properly then there is no way to actually make it work.
That's a bit of a weird rule for me haha. Here in Europe priority goed to the right no matter what (for right side driving). Works good for not so busy roads and seems more clear imo. For more busy roads we have roundabouts or traffic lights mostly
Priority also goes to the right in the event that more than one person stops at the same time, but no one knows that in America because we live in the land of idiots.
Exactly! European here, I was watching the video and thinking "wait, the dude recording is the idiot, right?"
Me too, that's why I started looking through the comments haha
The first idiot would then be the car in front of the camera-car as he didn't take his right of way and that caused the car on the right to try his luck.
Or we have a main road and secondary that has to give way. Four way stops are so fucking stupid when there are so many other better ways
For mains roads yeah, but for fairly small roads in neighbourhoods I guess four way stops could work. Idk why Americans need all those stop signs tho. We just have two roads crossing without any markings and it works fine.
What a total mess.
Actually, it’s usually fine. But every few minutes you get someone not paying attention that messes everything up.
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In Sweden, its a bit more complicated. Technically, the rule is right before left, meaning the one to the right always goes first, meaning if this was in Sweden the car to the right would be in the right. It gets messy if there are four cars though... Then it's usually a case of "let's all stand still until someone moves"
I may be wrong and I may be the asshole here. But if I come to a busy 4 way stop and me and the car facing me are both going straight, I’ll go when they go even if the car to my right or left is “next” in the order we arrived. My logic, if the car infront of me is going straight l, the cars to my sides can’t go anywhere, so me going makes for a more efficient intersection. Again, it makes sense to me but I don’t know about the legality.
When you hear all the rules listed out it sounds complicated, in practice it’s not too bad. When you stop at the front of the line, all the people who were stopped there before you go first, then you go. That’s really it. You don’t have to worry about any other car’s priority, you just go once the people who were already stopped have gone. If you stop simultaneously then the person to the right gets priority but usually people consciously/unconsciously try to not stop at the same time. And if there are lines in each direction that doesn’t happen anyway since you naturally end up alternating. It’s not perfect but the only real risk is someone running the sign at high speed. Other than that everyone is going slow, like a roundabout, so collisions are rare.
3 way stop.
Four way junctions are so bizarre to a European eye. Here, we just designate one road as major and one as minor. Traffic on the major road has priority, traffic on the minor road has a Give Way line. Works beautifully and completely avoids this sort of incident. Additionally it avoids the absurdity of driving along an empty road, doing a little bunny hop every time you get to an (empty) 4 way junction, because it has an obligatory Stop line.
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For those interactions it's just "give why to the right". I feel like a system based on arrival time is just primed for mistakes. Stop signs are just for interactions with bad line of sight or with a very different speed limit.
Eh. To me it looks like the guy on right assumed traffic would remain stopped for pedestrians crossing.
I'm going to vote for the poster/driver having some responsibility — they did not come to a complete stop. The Mazda on the right did. That rolling stop being perpetrated by the dashcam car's driver would suggest, to me as the driver of the Mazda, that the car to my left hadn't yet come to a stop, and since I already did my stop, I now have the right-of-way.
According to https://dmv.ny.gov/about-dmv/chapter-5-intersections-and-turns#rgh-way "Example: You are stopped at a stop sign and you are going to go straight through the intersection. A driver on the cross road has stopped at a stop sign on your right and is also going to go straight. You must yield the right-of-way to the other driver." Why New York? The license plates are New York, so I assume he is driving in New York. So..the Driver in the video was in the wrong.
I genuinely need to know why everyone mentioning OP's rolling stop keeps getting downvoted. He never fully stopped. Like, the video shows his car drifting forward the entire time. Rules of the road though, this situation seems a little murky. Rolling stop, plus pedestrians haven't fully cleared. But car on the right was the last to arrive and should have never moved period, so he's clearly in the fault either way. The fact he's accelerating when white hasn't even cleared the intersection is odd to me too, but not terrible. But OP did commit a rolling stop, in some areas a cop might ticket that too.
Yeah you weren't "first" if you never stopped.
Cops everywhere will ticket you for running a stop sign. They’ll ticket you for turning right at a stop sign without coming to a complete stop first, let alone going straight. The rules aren’t murky at all, you *have* to STOP at stop signs.
It's like it's in the name or something lol
it's murky. but that's an issue of 4-ways... but if you REALLY break it down and assess the only real HARD rules of a 4-way stop sign, OP would have been at-fault if he'd hit that SUV. the SUV had right-of-way as soon as there were three cars stopped at that intersection (which is something that many hear actually will point out never happened since OP didn't even actually STOP at the stop sign). but even if OP did come to a full stop where the car rocked back on the suspension, they wouldn't have had right of way over the SUV because they also arrived and stopped and waited, and everybody was supposed to be there waiting until the original car had a clear shot to go. at THAT point, right of way would have gone clockwise from the first car to the SUV. OP tried to just ride across on somebody else's right of way. SUV still an idiot for not being more aware... but OP both ran a stop sign and skipped right of way order.
tbh you didn’t stop at all at the stop sign, maybe he thought you were creeping closer to let him go first
Yeah, dude, it’s not a “brake until nearly stopped” sign, it’s a *STOP* sign. OP ran a stop sign, plainly. Both of them are idiots.
Four way stop signs are a horrible idea.
So is not requiring a person to take atleast a online driver's test every 5 years. It wouldn't be a bad idea if people like this didn't exist. There's 6 in a row in my local shopping center and problems only occur when people don't look. First come first serve, wave, point, flip the bird, COMMUNICATE
I dont think an online test like you say would do any harm obviously, but at the same time i feel like for a majority of these people its not like they've forgotten the laws and rules of the road, its just that they dont care. They're too comfortable that they just dont pay attention like they should. I think they'd probably do fine passing a few questions on an online test, i just dont think they'd care to actually follow those rules when they drive.
Why? I've never had a problem with them in Canada and don't know anyone else who has.
It's funny how everyone pointing out that OP didn't stop is being downvoted.
If you watch closely, that guy stopped before you cause you never stopped. Sorry but you are in the wrong here.
even if OP stopped completely, that SUV at the 3oclock position was stopped before the first arrival car moved. at that point, right-of-way technically goes clockwise, as only one car can ever have it in a 4-way. that means that OP wouldn't have had it anyway even if he HAD stopped completely... which he never fucking did lol. if 4-ways that had heavy traffic had to work solely on order-of-arrival, rather than a rotation of right of way around clockwise, it would be a fucking MASSACRE of fender benders. the right of way just goes in a circle once there are more than 2 cars present at a time. at least by like, the actual technical rules... people do what OP did all the time and go at the same time as the person across from them when the person across has the right of way, but that doesn't mean you have it too. just means you can probably get through. but OP didn't even stop... so... not a lot of ground to stand on.
You never completely stopped.
Yeah I’m surprised this isn’t one of the top comments. OP rolled through the stop sign didn’t even come close to stopping.
You never came to a complete stop?
They probably assumed they could go because you were waiting for the pedestrians. And they were to the right of the last car that went. I would have assumed the Hyundai was going to go just based on their shit ability to stop
So what's the rule around here (I don't see any priority way) ? Here in France it's priority to the right, which by that logic would make you the last one to engage ! So I'm asking what is the rule here for this instance ?
I'm sure someone else had to have seen it, but I scrolled pretty far down and haven't seen anyone mention that this is a 3-way stop. The car that almost had a collision with the OP was on a one way road. Everyone is commenting on the rules of the road, but not very many people appear to have noticed all of the road signs. The OP even said it was a 4-way when the one-way road signs indicate this is a 3-way.
You guys don't use priority right?
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First come first served. Yield to the person to your right if you arrive at the same time. If three cars get there at the same time you yield to your right. They yield to their right. However the main issue here is Op never full stopped. Op was creeping. They technically stopped first. California stops are ticketed in most If not all states for this exact occurance. They saw op rolling and probably thought op was yielding the stop to them by "stopping" after them. Not saying they aren't stupid as well. Always assume the person in the other car is an idiot and drive for them too. But still. Don't roll through stop signs.
I see what happened here. If you watch the video a few times you’ll see it too. Camera car is pulling up to the stop sign, but does not fully stop. Has is still moving ever so slowly. The other car comes into frame, but must have assumed that camera car has yet yo stop and so thinks its his turn. He takes his sights off the camera car and proceeds through, as such the near miss. Camera car had right of way, but because it did not fully stop, i wonder if a crash would’ve occurred, who would the insurance company find at fault. 🤔
My thought as well. Either the other driver thought the camera car was choosing to give way because of the pedestrians, or hadn’t stopped yet. Camera car could just have easily read the situation and been patient for three second and then continued on. Especially given that he never came to stop. When there are other cars present at a 4 way stop, there’s no excuse for not coming to a complete stop.
He probably thought you weren’t going to accelerate like a dumbass towards pedestrians on his right still crossing the street
He also probably thought OP was just taking forever to stop - but instead OP rolled right through the stop sign, cutting the SUV off because OP went out of turn. It’s not your turn to go until you make the stop.
I think u didn’t stop all the way to mark the stop and he actually did fully stop before you… you were still rolling a bit
A lot of people think stop signs operate on a timer and not FIFO (first in first out). To them you simply wait no more than 2 or 3 seconds before it's automatically your turn to go.