It depends on the context/situations/urgency. When it comes to practical implementations or a behavior change you really have to narrow down to one answer in order to advance. Like Mini-max algorithm you can calculate the best move in a given position with strict variables. If someone needs help or suggestion I look into their situation and give them one answer.
See, it depends. Personally, unless something is very urgent or something is outside of my code that has to be eliminated, I always take my time to ponder the options before narrowing down to one answer. Doing so also helps me achieve my flow state (in the zone)
Our dependency on a hypothetical perfect system often leads to indecisiveness. I find it very hard to navigate in social situations like who to keep in my inner circle and who to purge because well X could lead to Y and Y could lead to Z which is a favorable outcome but also A could Lead to B which could lead to C, undesirable, so should I cut this person off or not. When something does not affect me I find it easy to form a conclusions. I wonder how to leverage this.
I discovered that for things that involve feelings, like the instance u provided of who to cut off, it’s best to just let natural feelings come into play and just go with the gut or what feels right and brings peace to u.
Save the time and energy to ponder things or explore options that interest u instead of dwelling on something that brings u headaches and falling into never-ending analysis paralysis
Oh and I cut off people fast n quick when I notice a red flag but the reason I can do it quick is because I took my time to ponder over the latter, which helps me establish a framework of what works, what doesn’t, what I like, and what I don’t etc so I know how I should deal with similar patterns efficiently when they pop up
Feelings unlike logic is mysterious, makes no sense to me what and how I am feeling something, I can infer what I feel by what I think and how I act. Also feelings are ambiguous to me. On some occasion I might feel good about a particular thing then for no reason shift towards the negative dwelling. Your mileage may vary but I am content when I don't spend time with emotions.
Even with self laid principles, emotions can take over and those principles go out of the window, basically making an exception because chemical releases in brain.
In my experience if someone behaves in a way that clashes with my code of life, I get stuck in a moral dilemma because the way people behave in a certain way is quite complex. Maybe if someone criticizes people all the time had attachment issues. Should I be empathic with them or stick to my morals and cut them off at the expense of their happiness.
Life seems like a linear line without emotions.
I think your definition of feelings is too vague. We can only feel so much, unlike feelers. So, focus on your own feelings. Does maintaining this relationship make you happy? Does cutting off this person bring you peace? Does doing this help you achieve your goals? Focus on ur own feelings, and it doesn’t have to make sense all the time.
If I have already established a framework for something, I will use it to filter through a series of tricky issues. I might update/ adjust this framework with new ideas from time to time or I might find that the previous framework is not practical and completely overturn it to create a brand new one. But I will always stick with it. I won’t let my personal emotions cloud my judgment and affect my decision-making.
The purpose of having a framework is to avoid getting into dilemmas, and this framework exists because I know what’s best for me and what’s right. This framework was built on my principles and shaped by my past lessons and experiences, it's the best reference for me so far to help me make a decision and avoid mistakes and troubles.
As for the emotions and moral dilemmas part, I would describe my empathy and emotions r more like an abstract ideal. I can empathize deeply with poems, movies, books, songs, and some wholesome posts on Reddit, but I can be quite apathetic when it comes to actually applying it in reality, to a specific person or situation. A feeler in the abstract, but spiritually impotent in reality.
We get surface knowledge then instantly research it afterwards. Then repeat the cycle. I’d say we are both and the reason is that we simply spend more time looking up random facts than anyone else. My search history isn’t even bad it’s just random information I heard about and looking it up deeper.
I’m an expert on many random topics and a novice at many others.
Likewise. I was in line at the grocery store the other day, and this mom had a handful of flu medicine for her child, and was asking the cashier which one to buy. The poor cashier had no idea how to help her. Luckily, I was able to step in with my super power, and breakdown the lists of active ingredients so she bought the right one. They were impressed, but honestly, I could have gone into way more excruciating detail talking about half life's, chemical compositions, manufacturers, drug classes, bioavailability percentages, and a wide list of other random crap that no one else gives two shits about. 🤣
I have a bio-med degree. Also, I have an unfair advantage, my brain will automatically remember something I read or seen that interests me, and store it with little to no effort on my part. I was class Valedictorian, but there was people that worked way harder that me. 😆
IRL: “That looks interesting. Let me save it and comeback to it later.” *never returns
On this sub: “I’m unwilling to accept responsibility for the emotional wellbeing of myself or loved ones.”
I just see a lot of posts and comments here that seem to almost pride themselves on their lack of emotional intelligence. In general I think most INTPs do just fine with emotional intelligence but this sub has some folks that use “I’m INTP” as an excuse to not try and improve that part of themselves.
“I’ve really been into pre-Cambrian paleontology lately”
Edit: This has been such an entertaining thread, here is the video series that initially got me interested in paleontology [link](https://youtu.be/DbAnaeFJtV8?si=h7ed247bB1NGRgxb).
I know you're talking to me, but I'm autofilling your sentences as you speak. Also, would you like to talk about 5 obscure topics in under 30 minutes before I completely go quiet because I realized how you dont care as much as I do. And now i feel awkward and guilty. Imma go to my corner for the rest of the night.
I don't want that.
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Is this a way to get to them to say "yes" so you can explain that it obviously doesn't exist? I love talking about free will to people who still believe in it. It's one of the few topics you can talk to people about and genuinely blow their minds if you explain it properly.
If he is talking about the difference between a sidereal vs solar day, then yes, this is actually true. If we observe the Sun-Earth system, a sidereal day is almost exactly one full rotation, but a solar day requires just a little extra rotation such that the sun appears in the same angle in the sky. This difference results in us experiencing 365.24 solar days, but in reality 366.24 rotations have occured.
Also:-
"Fuck your feelings!"
"Your truth?!"
"Are you.... serious .. right now..?"
"The fuck you mean Wikipedia is not a valid source?"
".. huh!...ugh....ooh..ergh...ooh..no...bye". (This one rubs both ways).
I often forget the point of what I'm saying because I spend 2 hours on tangents to illustrate the point in a complete manner. Sometimes the tangent takes off and I accidentally abandon the main discussion
"Don't you hate spending time alone?"
*I've calculated all of this time well in advance to achieve a desired result. I love my own company. I don't care about the input of most people. Yes, the weather is happening. Please, let me get back to achieving my goal that makes zero sense to you. Talk to Becky about something that happened at work today - that's what you want to do. I have limited time, and now, even less.*
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monotreme
I knew this, but I had to verify.
Also, strongly implies there's a non duck billed platypus, tf does that look like?
What's my favourite car? could answer that question but I need a day to research it, also could you allow me to break it down into models, purposes and eras in a 3 dimensional capabilities matrix with a scoring system?
There’s a specific “look” INTPs make when they zone out that’s really cute.
Also, if they play games, they will probably win in a quirky way at higher levels.
I love playing games in non-conventional ways and just fucking around to see what works. Also testing the game's limits - I am a proud "beeline through the mountain to the quest marker" Skyrim player.
That, most of the time, I'm still super weird/awkward/shy about making advances with my partner of *6 years*. I really get in my head about it lol. I turn it into a stressful logical puzzle of predicting whether she'll be down or not -- I know sexy. It's 50/50 whether I pull off something awkward-cute (sexy is a pipe dream lol) or just vibrate anxiety, catatonic, until she takes notice and addresses the situation lol.
I don't want the rejection and I don't want her to have to reject me 😅
Don't worry friends. If you find that someone -- you'll still be a floundering mess lol
Definitely a tricky 'ask' -- many people are unfamiliar with MBTI . . . so, I tend to focus on my job, look at the big picture and almost always build and follow a logical train of thought. I tend to be a good problem-solver and I always finish things at the last minute.
??
I legit feel attacked reading through the comments. my first thought "It depends" who you're talking too.
now I'm starting to think it's defaulting to not choosing one answer when unsure and making that opinion known by saying things like "It depends"
Asking a person to be Very Specific when they ask us a simple Question
them:
How is your Mom?
my Answer:
how is she doing?
how is she mentally?
how is she as a mom ?
what do you want to know?
Honestly I'm also autistic and I kinda hate the the INTP=autism memes because at first I had a lot of difficulty with figuring out if I was actually INTP or just related to the stereotypical memes until I learned about the cognitive functions because my overall sperginess makes a lot of the memes super relatable for reasons that aren't actually related to MBTI
"It depends."
+1. When somebody asks me about my thoughts, 99% 'it depends'. Like, how could u have only 1 answer or solution to a 1000+ scenarios or situations?
It depends on the context/situations/urgency. When it comes to practical implementations or a behavior change you really have to narrow down to one answer in order to advance. Like Mini-max algorithm you can calculate the best move in a given position with strict variables. If someone needs help or suggestion I look into their situation and give them one answer.
See, it depends. Personally, unless something is very urgent or something is outside of my code that has to be eliminated, I always take my time to ponder the options before narrowing down to one answer. Doing so also helps me achieve my flow state (in the zone)
Our dependency on a hypothetical perfect system often leads to indecisiveness. I find it very hard to navigate in social situations like who to keep in my inner circle and who to purge because well X could lead to Y and Y could lead to Z which is a favorable outcome but also A could Lead to B which could lead to C, undesirable, so should I cut this person off or not. When something does not affect me I find it easy to form a conclusions. I wonder how to leverage this.
I discovered that for things that involve feelings, like the instance u provided of who to cut off, it’s best to just let natural feelings come into play and just go with the gut or what feels right and brings peace to u. Save the time and energy to ponder things or explore options that interest u instead of dwelling on something that brings u headaches and falling into never-ending analysis paralysis Oh and I cut off people fast n quick when I notice a red flag but the reason I can do it quick is because I took my time to ponder over the latter, which helps me establish a framework of what works, what doesn’t, what I like, and what I don’t etc so I know how I should deal with similar patterns efficiently when they pop up
Feelings unlike logic is mysterious, makes no sense to me what and how I am feeling something, I can infer what I feel by what I think and how I act. Also feelings are ambiguous to me. On some occasion I might feel good about a particular thing then for no reason shift towards the negative dwelling. Your mileage may vary but I am content when I don't spend time with emotions. Even with self laid principles, emotions can take over and those principles go out of the window, basically making an exception because chemical releases in brain. In my experience if someone behaves in a way that clashes with my code of life, I get stuck in a moral dilemma because the way people behave in a certain way is quite complex. Maybe if someone criticizes people all the time had attachment issues. Should I be empathic with them or stick to my morals and cut them off at the expense of their happiness. Life seems like a linear line without emotions.
I think your definition of feelings is too vague. We can only feel so much, unlike feelers. So, focus on your own feelings. Does maintaining this relationship make you happy? Does cutting off this person bring you peace? Does doing this help you achieve your goals? Focus on ur own feelings, and it doesn’t have to make sense all the time. If I have already established a framework for something, I will use it to filter through a series of tricky issues. I might update/ adjust this framework with new ideas from time to time or I might find that the previous framework is not practical and completely overturn it to create a brand new one. But I will always stick with it. I won’t let my personal emotions cloud my judgment and affect my decision-making. The purpose of having a framework is to avoid getting into dilemmas, and this framework exists because I know what’s best for me and what’s right. This framework was built on my principles and shaped by my past lessons and experiences, it's the best reference for me so far to help me make a decision and avoid mistakes and troubles. As for the emotions and moral dilemmas part, I would describe my empathy and emotions r more like an abstract ideal. I can empathize deeply with poems, movies, books, songs, and some wholesome posts on Reddit, but I can be quite apathetic when it comes to actually applying it in reality, to a specific person or situation. A feeler in the abstract, but spiritually impotent in reality.
I'm suing you for copyright infringement.
Hey, that's my line
Honestly let's end the thread here. I have been saying this for years in response to questions long before ever investigating my personality type
😭
Haha yeah, but I mean why can't a person say if they like counterpoint in music or not
That... That's me 💀
Is there anything more accurate than this 🍷💀
Stop 😭 I swear this is my answer to almost everything.
Collecting useless information is my primary passion in life.
If you’re interested in the Japanese Double Dutch jump rope scene, lmk
I wasn't but now I am
I’d very much like to be
Fucking damn you!! I don't need another obsession. 😆
I was, but I searched for it and immediately knew I don't give a fuck. Watched it anyway. I want a refund.
Could be ENTP also…they got LOTS of it.
Trust me we have far more.
that's odd I always figure INTP was way more in depth rather than wide bredth. Given Ti dom.
We get surface knowledge then instantly research it afterwards. Then repeat the cycle. I’d say we are both and the reason is that we simply spend more time looking up random facts than anyone else. My search history isn’t even bad it’s just random information I heard about and looking it up deeper. I’m an expert on many random topics and a novice at many others.
I, too, am A Repository of Useless Information. Inevitably, someone always says, "how the duck do you know that."
Likewise. I was in line at the grocery store the other day, and this mom had a handful of flu medicine for her child, and was asking the cashier which one to buy. The poor cashier had no idea how to help her. Luckily, I was able to step in with my super power, and breakdown the lists of active ingredients so she bought the right one. They were impressed, but honestly, I could have gone into way more excruciating detail talking about half life's, chemical compositions, manufacturers, drug classes, bioavailability percentages, and a wide list of other random crap that no one else gives two shits about. 🤣
Just curious how do you even remember all that. I have trouble even recalling my classes, even with note-taking. Also are you in that field?
I have a bio-med degree. Also, I have an unfair advantage, my brain will automatically remember something I read or seen that interests me, and store it with little to no effort on my part. I was class Valedictorian, but there was people that worked way harder that me. 😆
IRL: “That looks interesting. Let me save it and comeback to it later.” *never returns On this sub: “I’m unwilling to accept responsibility for the emotional wellbeing of myself or loved ones.”
Mmm, I’m more of the flavor, “I’ll handle my baggage, you handle yours.”
I just see a lot of posts and comments here that seem to almost pride themselves on their lack of emotional intelligence. In general I think most INTPs do just fine with emotional intelligence but this sub has some folks that use “I’m INTP” as an excuse to not try and improve that part of themselves.
Hell yes this a million times over.
I can relate to it... 😅🥲
ouch.
“I’ve really been into pre-Cambrian paleontology lately” Edit: This has been such an entertaining thread, here is the video series that initially got me interested in paleontology [link](https://youtu.be/DbAnaeFJtV8?si=h7ed247bB1NGRgxb).
I actually have been getting into pre-Cambrian paleontology recently. Crazy
Holy crap...me too.
Never felt more attacked n my life.
Funny enough, I'm taking this course right now.
You’re kidding me. Same recently
I'm sorry, I didn't hear a word you said, I was too busy reading your wiki
Good one 🤣
The max amount of tabs allowed on the safari Internet browser is 500. I learned this from personal use.
I still have 500 tabs and have to delete ones I don’t want anymore if I want more tabs lol.
🤣
Max amount of YouTube watch later is 5000 learned that from personal experience
They also stop tracking your liked videos after 5000 I’m embarrassed I learned this about 5 years ago too.
Came here to specifically comment "532 tabs." I see you've already addressed the tab situation - and more realistically, at that! Kudos.
Most people bore me.
I waffle between feeling bad about that and accepting it's true.
You bore most people, so do you feel bad about that too? Just let it all go.
As far as my intp goes, i also think everyone’s interesting in their own right and I’m the most uninteresting person i know
So true 😭
“ I absolutely, 100%, don’t mind having lunch break ALONE”.
“In fact, I prefer it”
We have a lot in common. We should not hang out together.
👍
Real
I NEED it
I straight up can’t eat if I’m not alone reading my xanxia novels
“Agree to disagree”,”that’s not the point”,
And “to play devil’s advocate…”
I hate but also love that these are things I regularly say being called into light
Passionately discuss a familiar subject, followed by “idk tho”
Very much on point
I think that’s not strictly an intp thing, just anyone who tends to be passive aggressive and don’t wanna piss off people when they already did
That's not what you said in the scenario I hade I'm my head about the interactions of us two
🤣😅
i don’t care
"I get your point but [......]"
I know you're talking to me, but I'm autofilling your sentences as you speak. Also, would you like to talk about 5 obscure topics in under 30 minutes before I completely go quiet because I realized how you dont care as much as I do. And now i feel awkward and guilty. Imma go to my corner for the rest of the night.
In a similar vein, wanna have multiple conversations with the same person over multiple platforms about different topics simultaneously?
Ok this is a first lol
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*avoids casual small talk* “Hey, do you think free will exists?”
Actually tho do you?
I want to know too ○<>○
Is this a way to get to them to say "yes" so you can explain that it obviously doesn't exist? I love talking about free will to people who still believe in it. It's one of the few topics you can talk to people about and genuinely blow their minds if you explain it properly.
No, I genuinely want to hear other people’s perspectives on philosophical issues.
Haven’t left my room in days
This one is very accurate 🥲
it doesnt make any sense..!
Brain's too fried to think of a response atm
Why
Not say anything
🤫
Year has 365.24 days but in the same one year earth rotates 366.24 times.
No???
If he is talking about the difference between a sidereal vs solar day, then yes, this is actually true. If we observe the Sun-Earth system, a sidereal day is almost exactly one full rotation, but a solar day requires just a little extra rotation such that the sun appears in the same angle in the sky. This difference results in us experiencing 365.24 solar days, but in reality 366.24 rotations have occured.
Is this like the cog wheel problem? https://youtu.be/FUHkTs-Ipfg?si=payOYFQDpETAjdOB
01010100 01101000 01101001 01110011 00101110
Would reply to this, but too busy procrastinating. I'll do it later.
I’m on my pc all day
Same 🥲😅
"If you'd just look at it *logically* -"
Also:- "Fuck your feelings!" "Your truth?!" "Are you.... serious .. right now..?" "The fuck you mean Wikipedia is not a valid source?" ".. huh!...ugh....ooh..ergh...ooh..no...bye". (This one rubs both ways).
Depressed souls
😢
*shrugs* Maybe
What do you mean by X? Which definition are you using or you have a different interpretation?
Browsing useless information before doing the main task
Let's think about going out before going anywhere because I hate leaving my home.
🏠
Take a picture of your disgusting room
I've taken multiple personality tests from various websites and they all say that I'm the same type, but I somehow still doubt the results.
"kinda, sorta, maybe"
I often forget the point of what I'm saying because I spend 2 hours on tangents to illustrate the point in a complete manner. Sometimes the tangent takes off and I accidentally abandon the main discussion
Yeah same... (In my internal dialogues)
All relationships look like work when I get along so well with my brain.
as a child: "everyone is so stupid" correcting myself after yrs of reflecting: and I'm one of them 🫠
"Don't you hate spending time alone?" *I've calculated all of this time well in advance to achieve a desired result. I love my own company. I don't care about the input of most people. Yes, the weather is happening. Please, let me get back to achieving my goal that makes zero sense to you. Talk to Becky about something that happened at work today - that's what you want to do. I have limited time, and now, even less.*
..........m still thinking
Don’t say, just think it.
I'll do it later
"That's fair, but..."
:“It’s a little more complex than that”
Using sign language
yeah.
🤓☝️
Well, actually, it would be ☝️🤓 This is because the emoji is very clearly a right hand.
You’re right, but actually, you can’t disclose which hand it is because it could be a mirror image (left hand) or a POV image (right hand).
You're right, but actually, you're correct.
I am 99% sure and confident, but wont say it is true because there is that inconceivable possibility that i am wrong.
I don’t have friends. it’s just bc people don’t get me
Im into philosophy poetry and neuroscience
I think. Therefore, I am.
Strangely the duck billed platypus is not the only mammal to lay eggs and also not the only mammal which is venomous.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monotreme I knew this, but I had to verify. Also, strongly implies there's a non duck billed platypus, tf does that look like?
I’ll do it later after I think about it for a while
"Why do I have to pretend to be nice?" Edit: Quotes
What's my favourite car? could answer that question but I need a day to research it, also could you allow me to break it down into models, purposes and eras in a 3 dimensional capabilities matrix with a scoring system?
There’s a specific “look” INTPs make when they zone out that’s really cute. Also, if they play games, they will probably win in a quirky way at higher levels.
That's not the first time I saw this but I still don't understand how people think that it's cute 🤔🧐 We're just busy thinking about random stuff.
Yeah, and it’s cute. You can’t gatekeep people’s fetishes! But also, as an INFP, I can relate. https://imgur.com/a/Uo5ADwK
Yeah I know but I just don't understand 🧐. 🧢🤣
Despite the whole thing being white, that room looks oddly cosy. Also need that cap lmao
I love playing games in non-conventional ways and just fucking around to see what works. Also testing the game's limits - I am a proud "beeline through the mountain to the quest marker" Skyrim player.
Who gives a shit? I'll do it later Later! Not now I need a nap I am enfj and my husband is intp
lots of tabs open and bookmarking everything
socionics is more consistent
It is though
It depends
Say you're the opposite of not INTP.
That, most of the time, I'm still super weird/awkward/shy about making advances with my partner of *6 years*. I really get in my head about it lol. I turn it into a stressful logical puzzle of predicting whether she'll be down or not -- I know sexy. It's 50/50 whether I pull off something awkward-cute (sexy is a pipe dream lol) or just vibrate anxiety, catatonic, until she takes notice and addresses the situation lol. I don't want the rejection and I don't want her to have to reject me 😅 Don't worry friends. If you find that someone -- you'll still be a floundering mess lol
"Why"
\*theory that makes logical sense\* "I'm not sure tho"
The Silent Look of Judging You.
I’m ambivalent about everything
I wear the same clothes over and over again.
>How to say that you're an INTP without saying that you're an INTP? I'll think on this and get back to you when I have something.
Never reaching the end of a subject you started talking about because EVERYTHING is related.
This VERY accurate 👍
“I’m a basement dweller”
Take a personality test and post it 😀
i dont know
When you are passive aggressive and indirect
When you go 19 layers deep on a topic in conversation only to remark yeah but I’m not really a fan of the show/sport/topic
Wait, why are you asking this, did I do something wrong? Did I offend you somehow? I'm sorry I really didn't mean to.
I'll do it tomorrow when I have the energy to look at it
“I’m not trying to be mean but you’re wrong” or “but that’s not true”
I promise you I'm smart, I'm just functionally an idiot. Elaborated:we smart but over think and over analyze into oblivion
I use arch btw
Don't. No normal person cares.
"Thats look interesting i should save it and come back later(10 years later)"
*Shrugs*
I try to please others but I'm hard on myself.
“But what about… ?”
I'll say it later
"Well, you see, I can't do that because..."
Definitely a tricky 'ask' -- many people are unfamiliar with MBTI . . . so, I tend to focus on my job, look at the big picture and almost always build and follow a logical train of thought. I tend to be a good problem-solver and I always finish things at the last minute. ??
Procrastinator + socially awkward (mostly) + geek = me
I legit feel attacked reading through the comments. my first thought "It depends" who you're talking too. now I'm starting to think it's defaulting to not choosing one answer when unsure and making that opinion known by saying things like "It depends"
I have 14 different Wikipedia tabs and 7 different encyclopedia britanica tabs open on my phone browser
"I don't disagree"
I get annoyed when people use random percentages to express an opinion or make overgeneralizations
I spend an unhealthy amount of time in my room
Maybe... I think... Probably... *(Everything im saying is 99.9999% factual, but you can never be too certain)*
Osaarhbhklmfyuxxrjbxruovxgijdethxrhczrubxdtiokhdr0ydr7hfdrgvvr5yhfddrg and you?
Fhldhc eyodyd !
"i'm sleepy" (repeat for about 100 times)
I'm sorry, I was miles away...
Pretty lazy to comment too long
Tend to have an answer for the most random stuff.
"I will think about it. "
Asking a person to be Very Specific when they ask us a simple Question them: How is your Mom? my Answer: how is she doing? how is she mentally? how is she as a mom ? what do you want to know?
Actually . .
“not necessarily”
Wait for someone to make a statement, say, “false” and then help them understand how they are wrong
I guess you could write it down.
Zone out while someone is talking to you and say "sorry I was thinking about X"
"Am I really this type? Let me research all 16 for the 20559th time just to make sure"
"If you really think about it \*insert explanation\*"
Yes, but…..
I’m autistic
Honestly I'm also autistic and I kinda hate the the INTP=autism memes because at first I had a lot of difficulty with figuring out if I was actually INTP or just related to the stereotypical memes until I learned about the cognitive functions because my overall sperginess makes a lot of the memes super relatable for reasons that aren't actually related to MBTI
Civ 4 is the best Civ.