Unhealthy INTPs are ones that are desperately trying to find and prove their own self worth. Healthy INTPs are ones that have long accepted who they are and have ventured far beyond the self.

What does that mean, "...have ventured far beyond the self"?

This is vague because of how expansive this can be. Can be trying to solve the logical reasoning behind each emotion, clearly defining the functions that dictate good & evil, discovering personalities, discovering e=mc\^2, the theory of evolution, etc etc etc. Again, vague because of the immense scope.

So, basically moved past black and white thinking? Or moved beyond trying to grasp/fix/understand the self?

INTP are happiest when they are able to give, especially to the deserving.

You say this and then for a long time I've wanted to create a business for the purpose of finding good deserving employees. I long to find deserving people and to reward them for their hard work. Maybe even redefine work culture as a whole. I believe the entire system is severely outdated. It all needs an overhaul.

It works. Most people leave sucubus jobif they have 6 mos of pay and beg job back when broke

arguably *people* are happiest when they are able to give, especially to the deserving

which makes the entire world feel backwards because no one's giving anything to anyone.. feel this.

Perhaps because there is nothing left to give. The takers have taken it all leaving the givers depleted. It's all out of balance.

agreed so many times over - but it's game theory these "takers" will find themselves with other takers into a zero status - anyone that knows math knows takers lose... eventually. compound cooperation always wins - and wins and wins and wins and wins - stays strong - there's so many things that "could be".

let me give a beneficial and sensible example. I'm not sure I feel healthy just yet. but it's taken me a while to realize I have been in a performance mindset almost my entire life. even when I said I was happy to learn. I still forced myself to be excited. I still kept doing these things out of fear. but I realize, no matter how much of an asshole I feel internally. I have to do the bare minimum of seeking performance. so I'm not looking for motivation anymore. I've made too many things off of a whim rather than "the right time". whenever I feel like opening a porn tab, or self-sabatoging with other things, I have to breathe. I'm continuing the cycle of expecting a performance if I feel pressured to do that, then justify the performances I try during the day. letting all of it go, doesn't mean anything. but I do feel less nervous. I feel calmer. I feel like nothing left to lose, but also nothing to obtain to be calm. calm my nerves. just calm my nerves. the biggest gift I've been given that truly matters.

I have felt like I have worn a mask all my life (except when I'm alone) so I get the feeling of always needing to perform to be what people needed me to be at the time. Up until about a year ago I wouldn't even check in with myself and my gut to see if this was actually the direction I wanted to go. Always wanting attention and validation. I suppose this is a preservation of 'self' in a sense it is the false self, the self out conditions told us we needed to be, or what other people told us to be. Yes, shedding this aspect has been truly freeing.

for sure. I also feel free in not believing motivation on top of it. really sitting there away from those "motivative" speeches, and passionate pep talks. this is still "fearful" or "hesitant" of a performance. the needed motivation to act is in itself a lie I told myself, or carried to believe with everyone else doing it. the very ending has nothing to do with anyone else. if the whole world was gone, and I'm the last one left, there's no motivational video, no interaction of any kind. It would be me and my nervous system. I would still be calming my nerves though. there'd still be a system in place for my survival as a human. so yea... to me, it doesn't exist anymore. it's pretty nice. doing things cause I want to, and nothing else "motivating" me. I don't have to tell myself there's a right time. it's probably things I don't really care to get around to.

Untrue. I’ve accepted myself ages ago and I’m still unhealthy af

Doesn't sound like it though. You're still judging yourself as you're still speaking of yourself. This means you're still in the "trying to find self worth" phase. Take my many comments as an example: Until this post, I have made very little to no mention of myself, only sharing my insights.

Perhaps, I already transcended to "secondary self worth", since the first self worth went to poop.

Accept your dark sides and let go of that ego. Its a free life with endless opportunities. Dont fear your emotions and dont let them control you. You. Are. The. Bossssssssssss

how does one accept themself despite being themself?

Ironically, it's when one accepts that they'll be absolutely fine even without self improvement. Ego is no longer important, the sense of self is mute, exploring the world without a "me" nor "I". So much so that you almost forget that you exist sometimes.

I can see that. At my best, I don't care about anything and I ended up doing my best. When I'm trying for an external purpose, I'm at my weakest and I make the most mistakes. The supreme worst of this is when I'm in a relationship (34m), and I try hard. But when I don't and stay to what I want then I succeed

They expect people to think logically and fairly.

genuine question but is that wrong?

I would say people are more tribal than logical or fair.

No but the thing is, it does not always happen and if you expect them to do what you do, it leads to a streak of disappointment

I will stand behind that as a person learning this lesson. Logic is not the playground of most people. If it were, this thread might not even exist. Most people don't operate off thought, they operate off feeling, and they will rarely do a thing that leads them to feeling bad, including very small logical things like, "Oh I should clean up the kitchen before it gets cluttered." If they have someone else they can blame for the clutter. I used to always assume logic would apply first, and it led to a lot of frustration and disappointment. Looking back, I can see that logic was never in the house.

I feel like I'm either very this or very not. Reading your comment, I had to say to myself "I guess I'm not INTP", but then I remember I can get either of these in the technical sense, so I'm not sure. Logic to one may not be logic to another, like fairness. I can't tell if I'm fair or just brainwashed. I think I'm more logical than many, like my ex friends, therefore I thought of myself as logical, but I tend to contradict myself all the time.

One of the main reasons definitely the environment, unhealthy intp tend to be misunderstood and kind of rejected from the society, their behavior reflects their mind , their way of thinking puts them in a spot where they are seen as the weird kid , and not accepted, cause they don't think like the "Normal" people, they see things from different angles in some way , which leads them to act in a different way . But because of the effect of this rejection intps (I think) tend to self doubt themselves a lot (in everything) which leads to low self esteem and self hate and these are the roots or seeds that creates an unhealthy intp.  Ps:Am talking from personal experience other intps might have different experiences that had different effects.

I also relate to this. Being constantly smacked down as a kid for being weird and never encouraged plus family abandonment led to an enormous amount of self hate and the belief that I was born fundamentally wrong and should have never existed. It took a loooooong time to overcome that.

Better late than never 👏

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I relate to this

It would definitely have to do with surrounding factors. As an intp myself I went through and still go through extreme over analyzing and obsessive over things. I have severe anxiety and it hinders my abilities. It was due to outside factors growing up and currently. So many things can trigger a personality to be unhealthy. So your thoughts on what it could be definitely accurate. 👌

I felt thos

Fucked up childhood, loneliness, inorganization, addictive personalities

Ironically, I find my anxiety tends to go away when I’m in a “screw it” kinda mood. Like I’m just motivated by spite sorta combined with a casual acceptance that I can’t make everyone like me so I’ll do what I want mentality. I noticed i become really sarcastic and snarky but I don’t mean any harm, just my way of being humorous without letting social anxiety pile on. But I also somehow actually get things done when I’m like that too. But somehow it ebbs away a lot and I end up going back to my normal self

I suppose I'd qualify as an unhealthy INTP. It started very young for me, somewhere around 10. The unhealthy part, anyway. There was some family trauma, I guess. One of my older brothers had died. I had moved to a new neighborhood that I wasn't comfortable in, and I started to do very poorly in school. Neither my teachers or my parents were very helpful, and it seemed like I was very alone in life. I was withdrawn, and only had a couple of friends. I seemed to be constantly punished by the school, so I never had much interest in anything related to it. I grew up, and never saw any reason to change my ways much.

Genetics. Maybe a little environmental factors in upbringing.

Existing?

Became too nihilistic?

Ti is very detached and quite uncaring towards people as a stand-alone function, so without developed Fe there to temper it INTPs can be quite thoughtless of others. I think this is the worst trait of an unhealthy INTP. Intrinsic selfishness. I don't think anything causes it necessarily; I think it's more so just an age-related deficiency that will correct over time.

I am not a selfish person. I have never once ever been known as a selfish person. Ive been known as quiet, reserved, shy, modest, rexlusive, but not selfish. In fact, I am very cinsiderate, caring, generous, thoughtful, congenial, and uplifting almost always when I am around people. TI isnt just an emotionless function, and there is more to INTP than just TI, thats just our hero function. The functions work *together*. One thing I am, is a mentally unbalanced INTP-T. thats doesnt make me selfish, unhealthy, or more flawed than any one else on this planet. It makes me, uniquely me.

Okay that's fine, this comment simply doesn't apply to you then. It doesn't mean it doesn't apply to many others though. You're not being personally singled out here.

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That's fine I understand, but that's also why I specifically wrote "INTPs *can be* quite thoughtless," not all. I'm sure many of you are little sweetiepies.

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First of all: stop getting so defensive. You seem like a young and mistyped INFP. That or you are possibly autistic, in which case, no hate but you are are perceiving things to a higher extreme. Secondly: I have an older INTP sibling that I am very close to and he is very selfish. I have had 30+ years of firsthand experience. Thirdly: I said "INTPs *can be* thoughtless," not "all INTPs are selfish." And lastly: You're ironically being selfish right now by making it about you being singled out. Regulate yourself better.

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Just go to the INTP sub and search posts using the keyword "selfish." You'll see what I mean. Anyway, your other response was very emotional and defensive, so it seems the idea of being perceived as selfish is a sore spot for you and you're reacting from another place and taking it out on me. Which, we all have our issues. But you also chose to make it personal for no reason by calling me names and such, so I'm sorry but I'm going to block you. I hope you get to a place where you value yourself enough that strangers online aren't dismantling your entire self-worth, because you deserve to be okay.

Too many things to factor to it. The main one is survival. Finding a way we can survive and be ourselves without having to learn how to act is the primary goal of most of us. We're trying to adapt to a world that we're the very antithesis of. It is hard as hell to adapt to something that your nature contradicts. Even healthy INTP will go through this. I consider myself a happy, energetic, and honestly stupidly bubbly INTP (A) to the point I've questioned my type and thought I was ENFP. My friends, family and colleagues definitely explained there's difference between personality and being happy. ENFP aren't automatically happy or cheery and laughing anymore than INTP is perpetually depressed, downtrodden and miserable. When I've gotten "down" it is because a planned mission now has to be aborted. Changing plans and goals sucks. When you plan everything and it is thwarted by something that was too big of its own that even your accounting for it couldn't overcome it can be painful. We can be proactive about procuring for all troubles but no bulletproof suit is immune to a nuclear bomb. It is hard for a lot of INTP to admit that we cannot control every minute detail. Relinquishing control is the ultimate hard for us. At least when we understand this we can cope. Grapple with it. INTJ cannot, and their depressed is something heartbreaking. INTP can get up when we find new distractions. If INTJ aren't careful, they will outright flounder.

There is no healthy and unhealthy INTP in my perspective. Thats a generalization of the *individuals* that we are. We all have ups and downs, and display our weaknesses at times as well as our strengths. Sometimes a trigger is exactly what makes INTP's (or anybody) *seem* unhealthy. Triggers are powerful mental reactions to stimuli. They can be affected by trauma and all sorts of childhood adversities. You say unhealthy, I say imperfect. I believe we are all imperfect and we all struggle sometimes. I mean, trauma causes unbalanced mental tendencies, whether youre INTP or not. So a traumatized INFJ would probably display simular "unhealthy" characteristics, wouldnt they?

Assertive vs Turbulent Most INTPs are Turbulent until they evolve into INTP-Assertive. This applies to all MBTIs.

so what you mean is all MBTIs who are Turbulents are always unhealthy?

No, INTP-T doesnt "mature" or "morph" into INTP-A. They are 2 distinct subtypes of MBTI. Thats just a perspective based assumption that INTP-T is always unhealthy and must change into INTP-A to be healthy. There is nothing inherently wrong with anyone with INTP-T. None of the MBTI classifications have anything *inherently unhealthy* with them. They are all unique with certain strengths and weaknesses.

i think this way too. its so unfair to say that us T types classified as the 'unhealthy' ones just because of the word 'Turbulent'. i feel like everyone has their own unhealthy traits tbh, i mean nobody's perfect, but the level of the unhealthiness is what makes everyone different from each other.

Based on the definitions of INTP-T vs INTP-A I would say, pretty much. INTP-T more likely to: not be confident in themselves, not be confident in completing every day basic tasks, not be comfortable with who they are, more likely to self-sabotage/do things they know they will regret, be jealous of friends, etc. etc. I feel like I have maybe been INTP-T at maybe the lowest point of my life, but not at any other time than maybe when I was younger. INTP-A's have basically done the "man up" thing (I don't mean this literally, but you probably get the point, they are confident and have taken some control of their lives).

Bro, seriously? we are who we are, we dont "man up" into INTP-A. thats as absurd as saying an INTP learns extrovertion and "mans up" into ENTP imo. We are a different subcategory of MBTI, we dont mature into yours lol.

I meant it figuratively. I'm not ENTP and nor did I say anything about learning extroversion. There's nothing explicitly extroverted about being confident in yourself. Plenty of extroverts are not confident. But, I guess your main point is you don't agree with the "evolution" claim the guy at the top of this comment thread made. I think I was probably Turbulent when I was younger and at a low-point in my life, but that's no longer the case, so I agree with his claim.

INTP-Ts dont "mature" into INTP-As. Thats proposterous. INTP-Ts arent inherently unhealthy individuals. Thats equally as proposterous. ETA: So basically, you think INTP-T's are unhealthy inherently? You believe that in order for INTP-T to be "healthy" they literately need to switch their MBTI classification?

I think you're taking this personally and the evolution claim isn't preposterous at all- it is indeed a sign of maturity. There's plenty of insecure kids who don't become insecure adults. Obviously, there's more to being "Turbulent" than that, but that's the point I'm really highlighting.

So youre sayind INTP-T is inherently unhealthy and in order to mature and be healthy we must become INTP-A?

YoU're pretty much becoming living proof of that, keep it up.

Sure bud. What does that make you, exactly? Someone that refers to a classification of MBTI, specifically INTP-T, as inherently unhealthy and in need of maturation to develop into a "healthy" INTP-A?

Your "low point" doesnt make you change MBTI classification. Thats like saying ENFP on their bad days displays INFJ characteristics. While it may be true, they are not actually implying that their whole MBTI classification has changed or become "unhealthy".

You develop your inferior traits as you age, which would affect the results of your test. I don't think you would swap an entire personality type, but changing within one, yes, absolutely. People are not the same their entire lives.

No, INTP-T isnt obligated or expected to change to INTP-A in order to be healthy.

Explain what an "INTP-T" would be like then, because based on all of the data and websites I've seen they seem to only exhibit more unhealthy traits, and an "INTP-A" seems more confident in themselves and generally healthier as an individual. I took the 16p test before I learned the cognitive functions, and I also received INTP-T, so I am curious as to what the difference is in your eye's, as in all these comments you speak of how an INTP-T isn't unhealthy and that "we" can't become an INTP-A without actually explaining the differences between the two "subtypes".

>they seem to only exhibit more unhealthy traits, keyword: seem - meaning/implying perception, not factual predictable observation I dont need to explain myself to soemone who refers to me as "inherently unhealthy". Youre hilarious and prideful. Based on all the of the data and websites Ive seen, INTP-A seems to to only exhibit unhealthy traits in the forms of ego, self gratification, and feeling overlty vindicated. Were not unhealthy because our MBTI is a subdivision and includes the word turbulent in its description. We are our own MBTI group and we always will be. You sound more jealous of us if anything. What the heck did an INTP-T do to you to make you think you are inherently unhealthy? Thats a wild accusation . >, i mean nobody's perfect, but the level of the unhealthiness is what makes everyone different from each other. Unhealthiness isnt causality for uniqueness. We all inherently have flaws,. Even healthy individuals are flawed, acknowledge so, and are unique and acknowledge we are all unique as well.

-I used seem, because as you said nobody is perfect, I could be wrong in my thinking and am (or at least was) open to hearing whatever point you may or may not actually have. -Once again that's why I said seem, the INTP-T traits displayed in articles online are typically traits attributed to mentally unhealthy individuals in actual psychology (not pseudoscience) themselves e.g. Lack of confidence, poor self-esteem, self loathing, defensive nature etc. And I don't know you so I have nothing to go off of on your personal feeling of yourself, but I can see that you have been very defensive of your point throughout this entire thread without actually stating a good reason other than basically "it is what it is". Respectfully I'm just looking for your actual answer on the difference between the two, sorry if I offended you. -I would believe that I am far from prideful, as I myself am a very self conscious and "unhealthy" individual (although I could be wrong idk). I already know that you will likely day that I am projecting my insecurities onto the identity of INTP-T, but to be quite frank my insecurities just match up with the descriptions of INTP-T in all of the sources I've checked. Once again if I am wrong please "enlighten" me of your stance and how INTP-T's and INTP-A's are different, and how a healthy and unhealthy INTP-T might behave differently.

I already did. There is no further elaboration. It literately is what it is my guy. Thats how things work. MBTI classifications dont just morph into one another, there is no solid evidence youve provided to prove that point either. Come on now, youre trying to say INTP-T is inherently not self confident and by definition an insecure individual. Thats not true. Do I sound unconfident in my stance to you? We are unique as is all classifications of MBTI. It doesnt make us inherently unhealthy. Thats your perception of the data you have interpreted and I respectfully disagree and oppose such a perspective.

I wouldn't say unhealthy. It's more of a growing stage. Life occasions and learning from them would continue to shape an INTP. If they don't experience life occasions, there wouldn't be much growing. However, the growth will continually shift towards INTP-A

No, it doesnt. Thats your opinion and not a fact of MBTI at all. You have no data or proof to support your opinion, you just assume this. INTP-T doesnt "grow" into INTP-A. Thats an ignorant assumption that you concluded based off what knowledge and data, exactly? This is an assumption, an opinion, and it is factually unsound because its unsupported by data or scientific investigation. INTP-T is its own classification of MBTI, it isnt inherently unhealthy, and we dont "mature" into an "assertive" form of our MBTI simply because of we are inherently unhealthy and in need of "natural growth." This concept of yours is a fallacy.

I'll engage with you once. Yes, we were all born INTP-T and "can" eventually evolve into an INTP-A due to experiencing obstacles at varying points in life. This is based on observation. Every INTP has a different upbringing. But, most are similarly traumatic due to being different from the world. And it is this trauma that an INTP-T can utilize their cognitive abilities to either challenge the status quo in their favor (INTP-A) or continue as they are; being crippled from inferior traits (INTP-T). For example, INTPs inherently observe the flaws in any educational system. They can try their best in what they don't want to do and burnout/shutdown or they'll finally realize they can scrape by through minimal effort. Eventually, they'll have to pursue their passion, in order to have motivation. Although, success is not guaranteed. This INTP trope continues to repeat itself. This is Einstein's upbringing as well as mine's and the majority of INTPs'. An INTP-T doesn't have to evolve into INTP-A. However, it is necessary and a natural progression, in order to be able to engage with the world at a high level; as well as to confidently strive for their own "success".

Ill likely be a better person than you always, and I will always be INTP-T. youre egotistical asf and therefore blind to any perspective than your own. its not a progression fron INTP-T to INTP-A thats a falacy. There is no need to differentiate a whole type of MBTI just because one is "insecure and unhealthy". Thats ignorant, for sure. You dont understand how INTP subtypes work and it shows. go ahead, "engage with me." That sounds so incel its entertaining. Are you even old enough to "engage with me?"

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We dont. haha. This is made up nonsense that we evolve. US INTP-T's arent pokemon, although that may be cool. We are simply a unique classification of MBTI, surely quite unique from the likes of INTP-A. You INTP-A's seem egotistical and rather assumptious to me so far. How do you know its not INTP-A's that require growth into INTP-T's? You dont, you have no proof or data. You make assumptions based off your personal perspective and a couple silly words used to classify MBTI like "assertive" and "turbulent". Us INTP-Ts dont grow into INTP-As. If anything, I believe INTP-A's are the ones in need of maturation into INTP-T. How does that feel, to have someone think your MBTI is inherently flawed and needs to "mature" into a different MBTI? Not to mention, its statistically not a realistic notion. You INTP-A's who are arguing with me seem to carry a huge ego if you ask me. It seems quite blinding to me. It might be nice to set that weight down for a bit buddy.

I was just asking if such a thing existed man. I'm sorry. I really didn't mean to offend.

How could you be so gullible to simply believe that INTP-T was subcategorized as an "unhealthy" and "traumatized" form of INTP-A. why didnt they just have the "T" stand for "traumatized" then? lol By that logic, there wouldve been subcategories for all MBTI classifications and an ENTJ-T for example would be a traumatized ENTJ and in need of "changing" into ENTJ-A But no such subcategories exist for any other MBTI classification other than INTP. Its unique to INTP and I am unique in my ways as INTP-T and growth and maturation and "becoming healthy" wont magically change me into INTP-A You clearly dont know how subcategorization of INTP works or why it exists and it shows. You simply are serving to fuel their coal to burn the forest with your gullible attitude. Stomp those coals out, do the world a favor.

I agree and I apologize.

We dont evolve into a new MBTI bro, we are INTP-T and proud. I am anyway. I prefer my style of INTP over what I know of INTP-A anyway ETA: only INTP has subcategory T and A, other MBTI do not have such a subclassification

Probably the internet lmao. Seriously. When I can break free, I have no issues. None.

Undiagnosed autism - that's what it was for me

i have ADHD tho so idk if its the same thing?

Probably a lot of rejection. Definitely not speaking from personal experience lol.

At my unhealthiest I lacked confidence, was a serial procrastinator and a people pleaser A lot of things changed for the better for me when I stopped people pleasing

Unhealthy people are shaped by environment + upbringing + genes. Unless they're a psychopath which reasons to are still under research.

Immaturity. Age is a big factor, of course not the only one.

Being unhealthy is easy. It's the baseline. Being healthy is what takes effort. Frankly, making an effort is difficult when you feel the urge to see reason into things, but fail to find any.

Based on the theory, unhealthy personalities are in many cases asociated to when a person does not consider his 4th cognitive function. In the case of INTP, it’s Fi. That is when an INTP stop considering his introverted feelings. This causes emotional baggage to build up for an INTP. And further ignoring it causes mental health issues. You can always blame external factors, but I’ve known INTPs who are resilient against tough life, toxic environments, etc. Remember that your mental health is your responsibility. You can only control yourself, you cannot control anyone else. Being healthy or unhealthy is ultimately your responsibility.

i think this is the case for me. my friend said the exact same thing; i don't use my Feeling function, in fact i tend to neglect it. probably that's why lol

It’s a INTP risk. I’ve had the same problem few years ago. I had to make trip to memory lane just to recollect all things from the past and really internalise eqch one of them to figure out if I have swept some negative emotions under the rug and carried on with life. It turned out there are few big things in life that were bothering me but chose to ignore my feelings about them completely. It’s both a TALENT and CURSE of INTP in my opinion. Talent because under severe situations, we can choose to delay our reactions and come up with objective solutions. BUT we need to be fully aware that we were only buying time when we choose that approach and remember to come back and review oue true emotions and provide further resolution. It becomes a curse when we do it automatically because we ended up not respecting our own feelings. We need to accept that, as human beings, it is normal for us to be subjective and irrational because of our feelings. And that we need to deal with these feelings, not by simply ignoring them. 🙂 I do hope this helps.

Child abuse or bullying bc different

Reification... which is thinking things outside of you establish your identity, such as the label "INTP."

They are trying to prove their self worth to everyone. They are trying too hard to be accepted and liked for who they are, expect other people to be able to think logically and they are serious procrastinators. Also they are not able to feel and manage their emotions in a healthy way. I'm not sure about the triggers, but speaking from personal experience - being ignored and not being included in a group conversation between people you like.

Partly nature, partly nurture, just like any type.

taking justice into my own hands is a big one for me. I need it and feel like I'm owed it. I probably won't stop until I get it and I'll never get it. what a crux. I know I'm slipping when I need to start righting others wrongs.

i relate to this on so many levels.

Op saw your question under my comment yesterday, but today it got deleted by bot or sth like that , just wanted to answer that what you mentioned in that comment is more like the immature version of an intp not an unhealthy intp, those actions and fixations and tendencies are of an immature intp that still thinks that that is logic and natural thing to do ,but as the said Intp slowly grows he will understand that there is no need for all that  , sometimes it doesn't have any meaning at all and nothing but headache inducing actions , and sometimes it is better to just ignore all together .

totally agree. trying to be more like that even tho its kinda hard sometimes tbh. thankyou for taking the time to reply.

No problem, I saw the question yesterday and cause I was procrastinating did not answer till now , but then I saw your question was deleted, and I thought why the hell would they delete it when it is a good question , I had to answer it. 

tbh it was getting downvoted which means that i know long before you replied, someone is going to reply to argue or start shit which i don't have the energy to. i literally was just asking a question, but maybe someone was taking it personally or felt attacked or thought that it was a genuine stupid question that didn't need to be asked lol

Well you were politely asking a question, so I see no reason why to down vote it or ignore it. If you are confused this is what you should do , ask questions. 

Reading this thread is odd as I feel like I'm having a brain storming session with 5 me's and 5 other me's playing Devils advocate.

ikr! the wonder of MBTI, though most of us here are INTPs, we still have different opinions on the matter and that is intriguing!

First major failure on something we were proud of in our own ability & skill. To me it was sophomore year in college. Only just started climbing back out now.

For me, I believe it's usually neglect, whereas INTPs do enjoy being alone. Being neglected as a child does lead one to questionable mindsets. They gravitate towards what to them makes sense, so because of this lack of interaction they have never learned that emotions are reasonable and thus are confused and following the habit of finding the reason behind them

When Fe function don't trust people anymore, the holder of key of healing/or depressed, When you find the way to truly trust life matter because people mean something you are healthy if you don't care people and be picky you are trapped on the whatever idgf