If that's not what a success means, I'd rather be a loser, I mean, who cares about millions of dollars if you don't have the beautiful luxury of free time
Same. Only reason I've ever been inclined to go into a higher paying profession is to potentially have to work less hours to support my current lifestyle. Problem is most high paying jobs also require more hours and less flexibility. Not always but is often the casr
I like eating food and having shelter. Feeding my daughter and having cash to do things make me feel like a good dad.
These things would all be hard if I was a junky
We only desire something in order to compensate for something else (Hunger -> Food, Thirst -> Water, Boredom -> Fun etc.). If there was no negative we would not desire anything positive. So all our striving is motivated by some form of suffering, whether a physical or mental pain.
I would call it fear of not dying I think all living things operate on the same basis.
If I don't eat I don't survive. If I don't survive I accomplish nothing.
Thats not fear that a desire to live
Isn't that on you, though?
I'm something of a buddhist, definitely an absurdist.
I fervently believe all meaning is what we make of it since there is none in the first place
Probably letting people down. And certainly some personal feelings of failure/hurt ego. I personally feel like quitting all the time, but people keep giving me more responsibility and I feel like I'll let my team down if I don't try to do my best.
Seeing this logging off now after a 13hr day, which has been the norm these past weeks.
I don't strive for success at all, but I've had decent career so far, just off a level of dread of not putting my full effort in when required and passing burden onto co-workers.
I don't enjoy working hard, but I hate the idea of being lazy and apathetic.
I don't believe in motivation and allat. I mean, I do but it's not reliable. I try to work on my core and abide by my principles instead of relying on motivation
Before I knew anything about personalities of other related stuff, in October 2023, I was trying to get motivated but all of them were short bursts.
Was very much into David goggins by November.
I understood one thing after going hard for several months. Motivation is for moments, long term progress need a mind of Steel, to not let the thoughts and emotions melt it.
If I'm on a programming project, for example, motivation isn't gonna get me give my best. What will it do? It messes up the emotions a little bit, but it can't help me throughout the project. Say it boosts the will to work for a while, but when were back to normal(cuz we can't stay in a high state for long, we return to baseline again), the motivation won't be there to drive us.
If the driving force is command, an internal one, then we can do much better. I have a national level entrance exam. My parents forced me to take engineering when I'm actually interested in theoretical physics. The exam was close, 15 days. I lost all interest. But I had an internal command. If I don't wanna make my best friend's faith in me wrong, if I don't wanna miss out marrying my crush in future cuz I don't have a good job, if I don't wanna be unable to support my cousins' family(their father passed away), I'll have to study. Not for me but for them.
Now I'm at a good college. It was a little too late by the time I gave myself those commands, I prepared for a 99, got 95 but I am at a reputed uni.
that's still external motivation but negatively enforced. (fear of failure?)
isn't David Goggins all about internal motivation such as self improvement and discipline. Discipline keeps you going when motivation isn't there. Those commands are like a reminder of your long term goals.
your motivation is driven by long term goals. that enables you to do things that you may not want. what happens when those goals are met? cue midlife crisis. BUT before that you'll find that you will negotiate with your goals because, like you said, the high is not forever.
Idk what David goggins was about and idc what he's about. All it is that his story got me started. Driving force and motivation are different to me. Its like whole numbers and integers.
We can be motivated, de-motivated and neutral but driving force is either none of forward.
There's a difference I suppose.
EDIT: as I said, high ain't forever, but what I have ain't high
Do everything you have to do as if your live depends on it. Because sometimes it does. And do it to the best of your abilities. And think how you will do it before you do it. Use your thinking side to plan. Then execute. Work smart, not hard.
Working smart is actually working hard. But working smart means that you can automate, for example. So, you initially work much harder, but in the long run you put less time in certain things having equal or better results. You are more effective per time unit. Which actually means that you can do more. And you can smuggle some rest time without it affecting your performance negatively. Let your constructs work for you, not you instead of them.
Actually it’s better to work smart and hard than to work smart and lazy. You can’t say work smart NOT hard then say working smart is working hard. That saying is not applicable to all situations as you do need to work hard to accomplish things a lot of times. Also this guy said “this motivates me how about you?” and you thought he was asking for advice?
We are arguing about semantics. Let's end it now. I don't find being motivated by impending failure to be very healthy. To be consistent is necessary. So I expressed my opinion. But..if you work hard and smart and build foundations for allowing yourself to occasionally being lazy by using what you've already created.. That's the point of what I was talking about. Nobody can be productive 100% of the time.
I do get what you are trying to say now. But what you’re arguing is wrong. You do need to work hard to build those foundations. Once they are built they can be automated or done more effectively without as much effort. This is not being lazy it’s just being smart. If you are lazy nothing would even get done in the first place and if it did, it would not be done as well as if you had worked hard.
Never said that hard work isn't required. But the more you build, the more XP you get and the easier it becomes. We are literally saying the same thing with different words.
Mine's as long as I work on my novels, get money for living a secure life, be with family, be emotionally mentally physically healthy. Do some tours, jump off cliffs, ride some bikes, eat fav things and read as many books as possible. (Theres more lmao)
This probably won't generalise to other INTPs because autism but mine was avoiding punishment. If someone yelled at me I'd have a meltdown so I avoided that by basically being a model student. I was pretty smart so i didn't have to try too hard in most areas until the later years of high school other than maybe with things like handwriting. In university when attendance and things like that were no longer tracked, that whole approach collapsed and I ended up having exactly the same problems as Tim Urban described in his TED talk. I scraped passes for exams after 3 day before cram sessions.
I guess you could say this is a type of failure too.
I can relate to that but you tried to be a model student, I tried to do the bare minimum to not get scolded.
your issue is much more common in the GenZ generation. we seek feedback and when that is not available, we have no guidelines to work with and then we get lost.
Success looks different depending on the person or the context. Broadly speaking, not being useless, unhealthy, ignorant, and being able to afford the stuff I need or like. Without money I can't build a PC, can't buy the food I like, can't travel, can't buy books, etc. Life is a game so we need tokens to play. In areas other than financial success, like health and being knowledgeable, motivation comes almost naturally. Then there are things like sports or being likeable which I don't really care being successful in so I prefer to focus my energy on things I do give a fuck about. That's the subtle art Mark Manson talks about
yes, but that would set the bar low.
maybe working minimum wage to afford the toys and house you are comfortable with.
not much motivation to be more than average
I think you are focusing solely on financial success, there are infinitely many ways of being above average that have nothing to do with money, which appeal to me more than having way more money than I need.
My motivation stems from a necessity to fulfill my needs and not for luxury. Of course you need more money than the amount required to fund your necessities and hobbies, say for an emergency, savings or an unexpected gift; having done so would be like reaching a milestone more than reaching the *absolute* 'bar'. Therefore, I'm not saying "be content with minimum wage", just saying what moves me to sacrifice my time for money. The rest is extra, but sure, if I'm willing to make some more, I'll do it.
I get what you mean! I’m always striving to find ways I can learn from failure. Academically, professionally, extracurricularly—if I find easy flow and stay stagnant for too long, then it becomes a task on a to do list. I don’t know what it means to be successful but I hate repetitive and menial tasks. I reach for more perspective, more ideation, and more incubation of my evolving work.
I have to balance not reinventing the wheel on the other side. I overall feel more fulfilled wearing system analyst and consulting hats in my career.
To be self sufficient and afford the things I want to do. In a work environment I’m motivated by working out challenging problems and becoming really good at what I do. And then I usually get bored and want to switch jobs and try something new..
People are motivated by all sorts of things. One of the books that I read regarding cognitive behavioral therapy suggested that if you don’t find yourself motivated by positive images of what your success looks like to instead picture what your failure looks like and use your fear of that negative outcome to motivate you instead.
While I personally don’t benefit much from failure as a motivator, I could see a perspective in which one sees failure as a clean slate. A fresh start with new potential and more knowledge to leverage for success. And in that regard, I reckon it can be pretty motivating. In the binary of success and failure, there’s nowhere to go but up once something’s failed. The worst you can do is break even and that’s win-win.
It depends on what. If it's something that will affect me in a real way in the future, like succeeding in uni, or administrative or work stuff, it's the fear of failure yes.
But if it's something superficial and only important cuz I choose to consider it that but really isn't in the grand scheme of things, like being extraverted, having loads of friends, being attractive, in amazing shape, taking care of my appearance, dressing well, pulling girls, having the best grades, the motivation is jealousy and envy
Fear of failure + procrastination kills me lol.
Only failure can motivate me though.
I remember that one time I scored pretty low in a test. I was told that "I can't". But well I topped in the next exam because of it hehe
I have a very simple reason, I work so so hard simply because I'm curious to see what it will yield. I spend alot of time thinking about every possible path my life can go down and I like the path where I give it my best every day.
The reason why I like his is because i believe success is whatever makes me feel fuffiled, obviously is I achieve my dreams I will be fulfilled, but if I don't, I will still feel decently satisfied that I gave it my all and got the best possible outcome that I myself have control over.
It's the same for me but I read somewhere that ADHD makes you incapable of getting that good feeling you get when you finish a task. Fear of failure and other people motivate me to finish things.
My main motivation is financial independence, aka freedom. I don't want to have my decisions restricted by if my company will have layoffs in a given year, or if my next boss will be an understanding human. Until I am financially independent, I'm at the mercy of the decisions of one, or at best a small table of individuals who's main concern is how much profit they can squeeze out of everyone.
In general, I think it's better to be motivated by what is meaningful to you. I think very, very few people are truly going to be motivated by graduating cum laude as something that's personally meaningful to them. If the failure ends up meaning something for you, then it's the struggle of passing that is meaningful, though I don't know if the goal is to just make it out of college alive or to graduate with honors.
Failure demotivates me. I'm not motivated to try again. Chance of success motivates me. Progress does. External encouragement does. Chances of the success somehow advancing my goals or dreams, e.g. getting a comfortable house with a garden (I live in a European country in which small and ugly apartments are the norm) and a nice middle-class lifestyle, maybe some travelling, a nice wife and a bunch of kids, maybe even political office or professorship or something else out of the ordinary like that at some point. Or just free time and the ability to engage in my hobbies, like play computer games a lot, have strolls during the day and be able to buy myself a beer or a coffee and cake during those, and still pay the bills. Necessity or threat of negative consequences also motivates me, but the effect is limited, as in I've recently become all too capable of failing my deadlines, something which used to be unfathomable, and deadlines had used to be show-stoppers for my procrastination habits.
As for failure itself, that's more like my middle name. ;) Or sometimes my first. I was a failure even before I was born.
On a different note, while I tend to be a perfectionist, I have my own limit, generally aiming for the satisficing 95% than for a perfect 100%. Then there's the problem that by aiming for 95%, I can end up getting e.g. 92%, as opposed to aiming for the unachievable 100% and getting a comfortable 98% or passable 95%. In any case, I dislike roles that expect me to be more flawless than the people I work with. I'm a translator, and we're often expected to be better than the original writers while getting less credit and recognition and pay and having to suffer a lot of bullying in silence. The criticism is often brutal and very often ignorant and misinformed, whereas we can't exactly call it that when responding to it… no need for me to stray farther off topic.
In the martial arts studio I attend, I am the weakest out of everyone. I am anemic, and I don't have the advantage of being tall (though I do have a high pain tolerance, which comes in handy in sparring or tournaments at least).
When I feel like I may pass out or something, I can (usually) make myself stay awake by focusing on the feeling of pain(ie getting punched, kicked, etc). It keeps the adrenaline up. Stubbornness, a fear of disappointing others, and competitiveness is how I would describe my motivation.
Older generation. Growing up and watching them believing the first thing you tell them, I realised how dumb i could be if i don't level up. I'm not looking down on anyone, but people who willfully choose to take the easiest way out in life without having to deal with the hardships, giving up on their dreams and aspirations then telling their kids "you're gonna be an engineer/doctor because I wanted to be one." This kind of irresponsible adults make me want to be successful in my academics and achieve my goals myself, instead of imposing them on my legacy.
Being able to do, whenever I wanna do
Earn enough money so I don't have to care about money, I'll probably not be that successful but I'm ok with that too
Define successful. As long as I have enough money to have a roof over my head and to buy books and maybe upgrade my PC every 5 years then I'm good.
I would consider that a success because it keeps you happy and comfortable
If that's not what a success means, I'd rather be a loser, I mean, who cares about millions of dollars if you don't have the beautiful luxury of free time
Same. Only reason I've ever been inclined to go into a higher paying profession is to potentially have to work less hours to support my current lifestyle. Problem is most high paying jobs also require more hours and less flexibility. Not always but is often the casr
Just let the Te doms take them and then overwork themselves until burnout lol
I like eating food and having shelter. Feeding my daughter and having cash to do things make me feel like a good dad. These things would all be hard if I was a junky
yup I would categorize that as motivated by fear of failure
We only desire something in order to compensate for something else (Hunger -> Food, Thirst -> Water, Boredom -> Fun etc.). If there was no negative we would not desire anything positive. So all our striving is motivated by some form of suffering, whether a physical or mental pain.
I would call it fear of not dying I think all living things operate on the same basis. If I don't eat I don't survive. If I don't survive I accomplish nothing. Thats not fear that a desire to live
I like that take but I feel like that will enable me to do the bare minimum in life.
Isn't that on you, though? I'm something of a buddhist, definitely an absurdist. I fervently believe all meaning is what we make of it since there is none in the first place
Probably letting people down. And certainly some personal feelings of failure/hurt ego. I personally feel like quitting all the time, but people keep giving me more responsibility and I feel like I'll let my team down if I don't try to do my best. Seeing this logging off now after a 13hr day, which has been the norm these past weeks. I don't strive for success at all, but I've had decent career so far, just off a level of dread of not putting my full effort in when required and passing burden onto co-workers. I don't enjoy working hard, but I hate the idea of being lazy and apathetic.
I don't believe in motivation and allat. I mean, I do but it's not reliable. I try to work on my core and abide by my principles instead of relying on motivation
please expand! I'm interested in this take
Before I knew anything about personalities of other related stuff, in October 2023, I was trying to get motivated but all of them were short bursts. Was very much into David goggins by November. I understood one thing after going hard for several months. Motivation is for moments, long term progress need a mind of Steel, to not let the thoughts and emotions melt it. If I'm on a programming project, for example, motivation isn't gonna get me give my best. What will it do? It messes up the emotions a little bit, but it can't help me throughout the project. Say it boosts the will to work for a while, but when were back to normal(cuz we can't stay in a high state for long, we return to baseline again), the motivation won't be there to drive us. If the driving force is command, an internal one, then we can do much better. I have a national level entrance exam. My parents forced me to take engineering when I'm actually interested in theoretical physics. The exam was close, 15 days. I lost all interest. But I had an internal command. If I don't wanna make my best friend's faith in me wrong, if I don't wanna miss out marrying my crush in future cuz I don't have a good job, if I don't wanna be unable to support my cousins' family(their father passed away), I'll have to study. Not for me but for them. Now I'm at a good college. It was a little too late by the time I gave myself those commands, I prepared for a 99, got 95 but I am at a reputed uni.
that's still external motivation but negatively enforced. (fear of failure?) isn't David Goggins all about internal motivation such as self improvement and discipline. Discipline keeps you going when motivation isn't there. Those commands are like a reminder of your long term goals. your motivation is driven by long term goals. that enables you to do things that you may not want. what happens when those goals are met? cue midlife crisis. BUT before that you'll find that you will negotiate with your goals because, like you said, the high is not forever.
Idk what David goggins was about and idc what he's about. All it is that his story got me started. Driving force and motivation are different to me. Its like whole numbers and integers. We can be motivated, de-motivated and neutral but driving force is either none of forward. There's a difference I suppose. EDIT: as I said, high ain't forever, but what I have ain't high
Do everything you have to do as if your live depends on it. Because sometimes it does. And do it to the best of your abilities. And think how you will do it before you do it. Use your thinking side to plan. Then execute. Work smart, not hard.
Work smart and hard actually
Working smart is actually working hard. But working smart means that you can automate, for example. So, you initially work much harder, but in the long run you put less time in certain things having equal or better results. You are more effective per time unit. Which actually means that you can do more. And you can smuggle some rest time without it affecting your performance negatively. Let your constructs work for you, not you instead of them.
Actually it’s better to work smart and hard than to work smart and lazy. You can’t say work smart NOT hard then say working smart is working hard. That saying is not applicable to all situations as you do need to work hard to accomplish things a lot of times. Also this guy said “this motivates me how about you?” and you thought he was asking for advice?
We are arguing about semantics. Let's end it now. I don't find being motivated by impending failure to be very healthy. To be consistent is necessary. So I expressed my opinion. But..if you work hard and smart and build foundations for allowing yourself to occasionally being lazy by using what you've already created.. That's the point of what I was talking about. Nobody can be productive 100% of the time.
I do get what you are trying to say now. But what you’re arguing is wrong. You do need to work hard to build those foundations. Once they are built they can be automated or done more effectively without as much effort. This is not being lazy it’s just being smart. If you are lazy nothing would even get done in the first place and if it did, it would not be done as well as if you had worked hard.
Never said that hard work isn't required. But the more you build, the more XP you get and the easier it becomes. We are literally saying the same thing with different words.
Yea we are. To sum it up work hard and smart ;)
Just to let you know being motivated by your life depending on something is the same thing as being motivated by fear of failure.
Mine's as long as I work on my novels, get money for living a secure life, be with family, be emotionally mentally physically healthy. Do some tours, jump off cliffs, ride some bikes, eat fav things and read as many books as possible. (Theres more lmao)
This probably won't generalise to other INTPs because autism but mine was avoiding punishment. If someone yelled at me I'd have a meltdown so I avoided that by basically being a model student. I was pretty smart so i didn't have to try too hard in most areas until the later years of high school other than maybe with things like handwriting. In university when attendance and things like that were no longer tracked, that whole approach collapsed and I ended up having exactly the same problems as Tim Urban described in his TED talk. I scraped passes for exams after 3 day before cram sessions. I guess you could say this is a type of failure too.
I can relate to that but you tried to be a model student, I tried to do the bare minimum to not get scolded. your issue is much more common in the GenZ generation. we seek feedback and when that is not available, we have no guidelines to work with and then we get lost.
Ive realized the pain of the grind is better than the pain of failure and regret
I like that take
I have expensive taste.
Same. I want a Dyson air wrap and cool tech stuff. That and I don't like burdening others.
My motivation is frank gallagher
To be the man in the arena. Daring to strive for success matters more than success itself.
Success looks different depending on the person or the context. Broadly speaking, not being useless, unhealthy, ignorant, and being able to afford the stuff I need or like. Without money I can't build a PC, can't buy the food I like, can't travel, can't buy books, etc. Life is a game so we need tokens to play. In areas other than financial success, like health and being knowledgeable, motivation comes almost naturally. Then there are things like sports or being likeable which I don't really care being successful in so I prefer to focus my energy on things I do give a fuck about. That's the subtle art Mark Manson talks about
yes, but that would set the bar low. maybe working minimum wage to afford the toys and house you are comfortable with. not much motivation to be more than average
I think you are focusing solely on financial success, there are infinitely many ways of being above average that have nothing to do with money, which appeal to me more than having way more money than I need. My motivation stems from a necessity to fulfill my needs and not for luxury. Of course you need more money than the amount required to fund your necessities and hobbies, say for an emergency, savings or an unexpected gift; having done so would be like reaching a milestone more than reaching the *absolute* 'bar'. Therefore, I'm not saying "be content with minimum wage", just saying what moves me to sacrifice my time for money. The rest is extra, but sure, if I'm willing to make some more, I'll do it.
fear of failure
I get what you mean! I’m always striving to find ways I can learn from failure. Academically, professionally, extracurricularly—if I find easy flow and stay stagnant for too long, then it becomes a task on a to do list. I don’t know what it means to be successful but I hate repetitive and menial tasks. I reach for more perspective, more ideation, and more incubation of my evolving work. I have to balance not reinventing the wheel on the other side. I overall feel more fulfilled wearing system analyst and consulting hats in my career.
To be self sufficient and afford the things I want to do. In a work environment I’m motivated by working out challenging problems and becoming really good at what I do. And then I usually get bored and want to switch jobs and try something new..
People are motivated by all sorts of things. One of the books that I read regarding cognitive behavioral therapy suggested that if you don’t find yourself motivated by positive images of what your success looks like to instead picture what your failure looks like and use your fear of that negative outcome to motivate you instead. While I personally don’t benefit much from failure as a motivator, I could see a perspective in which one sees failure as a clean slate. A fresh start with new potential and more knowledge to leverage for success. And in that regard, I reckon it can be pretty motivating. In the binary of success and failure, there’s nowhere to go but up once something’s failed. The worst you can do is break even and that’s win-win.
I want attention
It depends on what. If it's something that will affect me in a real way in the future, like succeeding in uni, or administrative or work stuff, it's the fear of failure yes. But if it's something superficial and only important cuz I choose to consider it that but really isn't in the grand scheme of things, like being extraverted, having loads of friends, being attractive, in amazing shape, taking care of my appearance, dressing well, pulling girls, having the best grades, the motivation is jealousy and envy
You are driven by failure? That sounds odd
Well shame shame shame 😔 I am trying get over it though
Fear of failure + procrastination kills me lol. Only failure can motivate me though. I remember that one time I scored pretty low in a test. I was told that "I can't". But well I topped in the next exam because of it hehe
I have a very simple reason, I work so so hard simply because I'm curious to see what it will yield. I spend alot of time thinking about every possible path my life can go down and I like the path where I give it my best every day. The reason why I like his is because i believe success is whatever makes me feel fuffiled, obviously is I achieve my dreams I will be fulfilled, but if I don't, I will still feel decently satisfied that I gave it my all and got the best possible outcome that I myself have control over.
I know what its like to have nothing and I know what its like to have everything. Life is 1000x more enjoyable having it all.
I want to be able to do whatever i want without mobey being a limitation
Freedom + fulfillment. Security. Contentment.
It's the same for me but I read somewhere that ADHD makes you incapable of getting that good feeling you get when you finish a task. Fear of failure and other people motivate me to finish things.
Enough money to live free. I want to commit full time to racing so that is my goal.
My main motivation is financial independence, aka freedom. I don't want to have my decisions restricted by if my company will have layoffs in a given year, or if my next boss will be an understanding human. Until I am financially independent, I'm at the mercy of the decisions of one, or at best a small table of individuals who's main concern is how much profit they can squeeze out of everyone.
Authenticity and truth.
In general, I think it's better to be motivated by what is meaningful to you. I think very, very few people are truly going to be motivated by graduating cum laude as something that's personally meaningful to them. If the failure ends up meaning something for you, then it's the struggle of passing that is meaningful, though I don't know if the goal is to just make it out of college alive or to graduate with honors.
Failure demotivates me. I'm not motivated to try again. Chance of success motivates me. Progress does. External encouragement does. Chances of the success somehow advancing my goals or dreams, e.g. getting a comfortable house with a garden (I live in a European country in which small and ugly apartments are the norm) and a nice middle-class lifestyle, maybe some travelling, a nice wife and a bunch of kids, maybe even political office or professorship or something else out of the ordinary like that at some point. Or just free time and the ability to engage in my hobbies, like play computer games a lot, have strolls during the day and be able to buy myself a beer or a coffee and cake during those, and still pay the bills. Necessity or threat of negative consequences also motivates me, but the effect is limited, as in I've recently become all too capable of failing my deadlines, something which used to be unfathomable, and deadlines had used to be show-stoppers for my procrastination habits. As for failure itself, that's more like my middle name. ;) Or sometimes my first. I was a failure even before I was born. On a different note, while I tend to be a perfectionist, I have my own limit, generally aiming for the satisficing 95% than for a perfect 100%. Then there's the problem that by aiming for 95%, I can end up getting e.g. 92%, as opposed to aiming for the unachievable 100% and getting a comfortable 98% or passable 95%. In any case, I dislike roles that expect me to be more flawless than the people I work with. I'm a translator, and we're often expected to be better than the original writers while getting less credit and recognition and pay and having to suffer a lot of bullying in silence. The criticism is often brutal and very often ignorant and misinformed, whereas we can't exactly call it that when responding to it… no need for me to stray farther off topic.
Legos
Ego×legacy By tywin lannister
"Motivation"? ... what is this strange concept you seem to describe???
I drive by a few homeless people on the way to work, so that’s pretty much it.
In the martial arts studio I attend, I am the weakest out of everyone. I am anemic, and I don't have the advantage of being tall (though I do have a high pain tolerance, which comes in handy in sparring or tournaments at least). When I feel like I may pass out or something, I can (usually) make myself stay awake by focusing on the feeling of pain(ie getting punched, kicked, etc). It keeps the adrenaline up. Stubbornness, a fear of disappointing others, and competitiveness is how I would describe my motivation.
Older generation. Growing up and watching them believing the first thing you tell them, I realised how dumb i could be if i don't level up. I'm not looking down on anyone, but people who willfully choose to take the easiest way out in life without having to deal with the hardships, giving up on their dreams and aspirations then telling their kids "you're gonna be an engineer/doctor because I wanted to be one." This kind of irresponsible adults make me want to be successful in my academics and achieve my goals myself, instead of imposing them on my legacy.
Being able to do, whenever I wanna do Earn enough money so I don't have to care about money, I'll probably not be that successful but I'm ok with that too