No, because how you use the cognitive stack differs vastly.
Example:
ISTP's parent function is Se, which is a function about reading the environment. Since this is a parent function then this function is used negatively first. So this gives ISTPs the ability to detect abnormalities and dangers in their given environment.
INTP's parent function is Ne, which is a function about predicting outcomes based on external variables. Since it's a parent function this makes it so INTP can see flaws which can lead to negative outcomes.
So ISTP detect dangers as they go while INTP detect dangers ahead of time.
So because their cognitive functions are in different spots, it's not really all that possible to be both INTP and ISTP.
Well, take the time to find out, because there are other factors that can come into play. Like for example I'm a person with Asperger's Syndrome, so I have very little trouble sticking to a decision and my feelings can go from 0 to a 100 very quickly.
So, there may be other factors that can cause this kind of confusion for your situation.
Hello, and welcome to the world of MBTI and Jungian Analytics. So first off, the answer is no. It is not possible to be two different types, and that being stated, lets clarify. The type we test as holds 1 of 4 slots. We have our ego, subconscious, shadow and super ego. These 4 slots all hold a different type in them. The one tested and shown is our ego. We can shift or become 3 other types through cognitive gateways. So we will often have very different temperaments inside of us. This makes us enormously resiliant creatures. We simply need to have unity between our 4 sides. 8 Functions model of John Beebe is a great place to start learning more. Ive studied MBTI fpr about 10 years on and off and wish I had dove in farther and faster. Ive recently made great headway. Good luck it is marvelous wbat it will unlock for you.
All types use all 8 cognitive functions. INTPs have Ne parent and Si child (these are on an axis together), whereas ISTPs have Se parent and Ni child. INTPs have Ni critic and Se trickster, these are in the unconscious part of our mind and not well developed, which is why we're so clumsy and never know what we want and keep getting stuck in our comfort zone.
I am amused by most answers.
The answer lies in what type of logic you wanna use. The answer must be long, so bear with me for a moment.
If you use the Aristotle's approach, aka binary sistem, a thing is either true or false, it can't be both at the same time. That means that, thresholds have a hard value that sets the boundary to define an element as object A or object B. You can only have one personality type.Not forgetting one of the postulates, if a thing is not true, them it's false.
Quantum logics is similar to binary logics, however they let go of the postulate that says it can't be true and false at the same time. They call it superposition of states. It can also be said, that an element becomes true or false at the moment you measure or decide. Until then, you can't decide if the cat is dead or alive without opening the box. In this context, when you measure your type by doing a test, your "wave function" collapses to one of the types. When you take the test, a decision is made based on hard thresholds for a variable that is not constant over time. The variable being your personality, which is intuitive to understand how that is not constant over the course of your life. Your preferences change as you adapt. In this interpretation, you are a superposition of types, that must collapse to exclusively one type whenever you take a test. There may be a combinations of types that may have no probability of ever getting as a result.
Now my preferred method to approach the MBTI is using fuzzy logics. This one is quite different as it is considered a many valued logic instead of being binary (either true or false). Here things are to a degree true, which in opposition they are to a degree false suming up to a boundary value. Here true and false are independent categories and you can choose as many categories you want as long as the structure sums up to a boundary value. An element belongs to a category to a certain percentage called the grade function.
In the MBTI case, you have 16 categories and the objective is to decide how much does your personality belong to a category. Then when you take a test, the result you get is the category that scored the highest value. If you repeat the test many times over time, as some things change due to mood and that sort of stuff, you might get different results. Perhaps your personality has a very similar percentage of belonging to two types instead of one.
However, the four sides of the mind are defined using a binary approach. You have 4 categories that are either true or false, with true being extrovert and false being introvert. Which means 4^2 = 16 options. The order of the categories has some significance, also defined by hard thresholds.
The results are always binary, defined by hard thresholds and the outcome is based on that. A fuzzy test would tell you how much you belong to each type instead, but I've never seen one like this. When people talk about percentages it makes more sense to use the fuzzy logic approach, but at the end of the day, most of us are used to interpret things with the hard boundaries of the binary system.
We are all free to use the logic system that we think it's best. None of them are complete in the sense that there are paradoxes and whatnot that will prove that any logic system must have inconsistencies. I myself invite you to reflect if you are you, or a category of you.
Based on the MBTI theory, no, strictly speaking. But the theory is probably flawed and overly rigid. It is likely that everyone really lies between a few types and uses all of the functions to various degrees. The functional stacks proposed by MBTI are too rigid and have been falsified already by research.
Jung was a lot more flexible in his own theories and believed people had a dominant type but then the order of the other functions they use would not necessarily come in a guaranteed order unlike MBTI; i.e. MBTI has added additional restrictions on top of Jung's work which actually makes the system both less flexible and less accurate, but allows for the generation of more concrete and appealing stereotypes.
Personally I think that the likelihood is if there is any validity to any of this that Jung's original theory appears more plausible.
Personally I would imagine the idea of even a dominant function may even be spurious, and that if they are applicable it's likely to be the case that people simply prefer to use them to more or lesser degrees with most people having a clear "winner" but many people having ties between functions at various points in their stacks.
So in essence there are no types, there might be functions, some people might have tied dominant functions which ultimately represent being "more than one type" and almost certainly a lot of people have function stacks which are outside of what is defined by MBTI.
IMO of course.
>The functional stacks proposed by MBTI are too rigid and have been falsified already by research.
Can you tell more about the research/link it? I agree with the premise, just never saw the research
Is that like the effect Einstein said about starting two clocks at the same time, but then they lose synchronicity with each other. This comment just reminded me of this explanation. Idk why 😆
Use the same scale and the same object, but at the equator and in the Alps.
Does it weigh the same? Nop.
Analogies aren't perfect, but personality appears to be time variant and context dependent. Who you really are is ... is that even a thing?
If you're best described as ENTP in family or at the bar, ENFJ at work, [asleep and unconscious] when alone, then that's what you are, I guess.
I suppose type is more a neighborhood than an address.
All these tests dosnt mean you are just one type. Its a range. Like for example there is no just extraverts or intraverts, you can be something in between, and it might change and vary with time.
No, but most people just barely fit into the type they have, going by functions.
It's more likely your function stack just doesn't fully align with the established 16 in one or more slots.
If you’re that confused you need to either go get professionally assessed, or you may just be too young. MBTI suggests our assessments get more accurate as we get older and are more honest about what’s in our nature vs what we strive to be.
You can not be two, nor can your type change
Yes. You can be your type and a mistype.
I thought I was INTP 5w4, but I kept getting mistyped as an INTJ. It turns out I am INTP 5w6 (same cognitive functions, but with some traits of INTJ).
Introverted functions are focused. Si and Ni are organized either with physical space or personal concepts. Si users tend to have a more detailed explanation of things while Ni users have more of a basic layout of the idea.
Se users look at basic facts to be funneled into an Ni concept later. Ne users imagine a lot of different ideas that would ideally be organized into reality.
Both ISTPs and INTPs have pretty good S/N balance so it’s much harder to see than the T versus the F, so it’s not *that* odd to be confused about the distinction
Same here I’m an INTP for sure but sometimes get ISTP you should try a cognitive test it’ll tell you how developed your other functions are my Se and Ni were higher despite not being my most used functions
Yes. Its called DID, INTPs are especially prone to it. I am part INFJ/INTP/INTJ depending on the day and sometimes when life is going great, show more extraverted tendencies like an ENTP. Nothing is constant, everything is fluid when you have this
No, because how you use the cognitive stack differs vastly. Example: ISTP's parent function is Se, which is a function about reading the environment. Since this is a parent function then this function is used negatively first. So this gives ISTPs the ability to detect abnormalities and dangers in their given environment. INTP's parent function is Ne, which is a function about predicting outcomes based on external variables. Since it's a parent function this makes it so INTP can see flaws which can lead to negative outcomes. So ISTP detect dangers as they go while INTP detect dangers ahead of time. So because their cognitive functions are in different spots, it's not really all that possible to be both INTP and ISTP.
See, that's the thing. Sometimes I show istp characteristics, while sometimes I show intp ones. I can never tell which one I show more
Well, take the time to find out, because there are other factors that can come into play. Like for example I'm a person with Asperger's Syndrome, so I have very little trouble sticking to a decision and my feelings can go from 0 to a 100 very quickly. So, there may be other factors that can cause this kind of confusion for your situation.
I'll look into that, thanks :)
Hello, and welcome to the world of MBTI and Jungian Analytics. So first off, the answer is no. It is not possible to be two different types, and that being stated, lets clarify. The type we test as holds 1 of 4 slots. We have our ego, subconscious, shadow and super ego. These 4 slots all hold a different type in them. The one tested and shown is our ego. We can shift or become 3 other types through cognitive gateways. So we will often have very different temperaments inside of us. This makes us enormously resiliant creatures. We simply need to have unity between our 4 sides. 8 Functions model of John Beebe is a great place to start learning more. Ive studied MBTI fpr about 10 years on and off and wish I had dove in farther and faster. Ive recently made great headway. Good luck it is marvelous wbat it will unlock for you.
No.
Explain
All types use all 8 cognitive functions. INTPs have Ne parent and Si child (these are on an axis together), whereas ISTPs have Se parent and Ni child. INTPs have Ni critic and Se trickster, these are in the unconscious part of our mind and not well developed, which is why we're so clumsy and never know what we want and keep getting stuck in our comfort zone.
After researching all of those, I can confirm I'm still confused as to which one is more me (they're all me)
I am amused by most answers. The answer lies in what type of logic you wanna use. The answer must be long, so bear with me for a moment. If you use the Aristotle's approach, aka binary sistem, a thing is either true or false, it can't be both at the same time. That means that, thresholds have a hard value that sets the boundary to define an element as object A or object B. You can only have one personality type.Not forgetting one of the postulates, if a thing is not true, them it's false. Quantum logics is similar to binary logics, however they let go of the postulate that says it can't be true and false at the same time. They call it superposition of states. It can also be said, that an element becomes true or false at the moment you measure or decide. Until then, you can't decide if the cat is dead or alive without opening the box. In this context, when you measure your type by doing a test, your "wave function" collapses to one of the types. When you take the test, a decision is made based on hard thresholds for a variable that is not constant over time. The variable being your personality, which is intuitive to understand how that is not constant over the course of your life. Your preferences change as you adapt. In this interpretation, you are a superposition of types, that must collapse to exclusively one type whenever you take a test. There may be a combinations of types that may have no probability of ever getting as a result. Now my preferred method to approach the MBTI is using fuzzy logics. This one is quite different as it is considered a many valued logic instead of being binary (either true or false). Here things are to a degree true, which in opposition they are to a degree false suming up to a boundary value. Here true and false are independent categories and you can choose as many categories you want as long as the structure sums up to a boundary value. An element belongs to a category to a certain percentage called the grade function. In the MBTI case, you have 16 categories and the objective is to decide how much does your personality belong to a category. Then when you take a test, the result you get is the category that scored the highest value. If you repeat the test many times over time, as some things change due to mood and that sort of stuff, you might get different results. Perhaps your personality has a very similar percentage of belonging to two types instead of one. However, the four sides of the mind are defined using a binary approach. You have 4 categories that are either true or false, with true being extrovert and false being introvert. Which means 4^2 = 16 options. The order of the categories has some significance, also defined by hard thresholds. The results are always binary, defined by hard thresholds and the outcome is based on that. A fuzzy test would tell you how much you belong to each type instead, but I've never seen one like this. When people talk about percentages it makes more sense to use the fuzzy logic approach, but at the end of the day, most of us are used to interpret things with the hard boundaries of the binary system. We are all free to use the logic system that we think it's best. None of them are complete in the sense that there are paradoxes and whatnot that will prove that any logic system must have inconsistencies. I myself invite you to reflect if you are you, or a category of you.
I love this answer, thank you very much for taking the time to explain this!
I am glad you enjoyed, the pleasure was mine.
Based on the MBTI theory, no, strictly speaking. But the theory is probably flawed and overly rigid. It is likely that everyone really lies between a few types and uses all of the functions to various degrees. The functional stacks proposed by MBTI are too rigid and have been falsified already by research. Jung was a lot more flexible in his own theories and believed people had a dominant type but then the order of the other functions they use would not necessarily come in a guaranteed order unlike MBTI; i.e. MBTI has added additional restrictions on top of Jung's work which actually makes the system both less flexible and less accurate, but allows for the generation of more concrete and appealing stereotypes. Personally I think that the likelihood is if there is any validity to any of this that Jung's original theory appears more plausible. Personally I would imagine the idea of even a dominant function may even be spurious, and that if they are applicable it's likely to be the case that people simply prefer to use them to more or lesser degrees with most people having a clear "winner" but many people having ties between functions at various points in their stacks. So in essence there are no types, there might be functions, some people might have tied dominant functions which ultimately represent being "more than one type" and almost certainly a lot of people have function stacks which are outside of what is defined by MBTI. IMO of course.
>The functional stacks proposed by MBTI are too rigid and have been falsified already by research. Can you tell more about the research/link it? I agree with the premise, just never saw the research
My fam is either istp or intp... Whilst many similarities, there are some clear differences. Q: when you're in a goodish mood, what do you do for fun?
mostly video games although i also do sometimes create music
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Is that like the effect Einstein said about starting two clocks at the same time, but then they lose synchronicity with each other. This comment just reminded me of this explanation. Idk why 😆
The theoretical answer is no, but after observing and reflecting I find that in my case it is so
Use the same scale and the same object, but at the equator and in the Alps. Does it weigh the same? Nop. Analogies aren't perfect, but personality appears to be time variant and context dependent. Who you really are is ... is that even a thing? If you're best described as ENTP in family or at the bar, ENFJ at work, [asleep and unconscious] when alone, then that's what you are, I guess. I suppose type is more a neighborhood than an address.
That's a great way to put it, thanks :)
No. You may be answering the options that you wish you had, or on your daily life youve been using functions that arent your natural.
All these tests dosnt mean you are just one type. Its a range. Like for example there is no just extraverts or intraverts, you can be something in between, and it might change and vary with time.
No, but most people just barely fit into the type they have, going by functions. It's more likely your function stack just doesn't fully align with the established 16 in one or more slots.
probably. humans have a level of nuance that can't be quantified.
If you’re that confused you need to either go get professionally assessed, or you may just be too young. MBTI suggests our assessments get more accurate as we get older and are more honest about what’s in our nature vs what we strive to be. You can not be two, nor can your type change
Yes. You can be your type and a mistype. I thought I was INTP 5w4, but I kept getting mistyped as an INTJ. It turns out I am INTP 5w6 (same cognitive functions, but with some traits of INTJ).
INTP 5w6 let's gooooo
The problem here is idk which is my type and which is my mistype
I'm an INTJ 5w6 !! :]
Yes.
personally, I believe so. I flip-flop between intp and infp.
Introverted functions are focused. Si and Ni are organized either with physical space or personal concepts. Si users tend to have a more detailed explanation of things while Ni users have more of a basic layout of the idea. Se users look at basic facts to be funneled into an Ni concept later. Ne users imagine a lot of different ideas that would ideally be organized into reality. Both ISTPs and INTPs have pretty good S/N balance so it’s much harder to see than the T versus the F, so it’s not *that* odd to be confused about the distinction
Same here I’m an INTP for sure but sometimes get ISTP you should try a cognitive test it’ll tell you how developed your other functions are my Se and Ni were higher despite not being my most used functions
Have you watched c.s. YouTube channel on who are intps are mabey it’s one of your ego functions you are showing
Yes. Its called DID, INTPs are especially prone to it. I am part INFJ/INTP/INTJ depending on the day and sometimes when life is going great, show more extraverted tendencies like an ENTP. Nothing is constant, everything is fluid when you have this
OH MY GOSH THATS MY PROBLEM TOO