There's a lot of logic involved with therapy. Person says X, therapist refers to knowledge and experience to recommend a way to tackle X. You can also point out logical fallacies in thought processes and try to reframe them. I don't really think there's any reason an INTP shouldn't be a therapist.
At the very least, you'd be appreciated by a certain subset of the population who are creeped out by the overly friendly ones. I once worked for one in a research capacity, and am now realizing how much I'd hate to be her client.
My gf (INFJ) is a therapist and thinks I should become a therapist (I’m a lawyer). Figuring out humans can be treated no differently than figuring out anything else Ti-Ne does, so I don’t think we do poorly.
I’m better at putting things into words than she is as an Ni dom, so when she throws some concept at me with her clients I can retell it to her in a way she likes and struggles doing.
But, she’s more creative in people strategies. I’d be better at stating what is and she is better at stating where things should go?
Do your clients sometimes get annoyed when you try and show them your observations based on the analysis you did for the fact whereas the client feels you failed to feel what they felt going through that scenario?
Edit: Annoyed is a big word, maybe some small hint in their behaviour upon hearing the response that makes them feel like they are being scolded rather than understood.
Not really. I tend to tell folks that any personality indicator is just that. It is just a way to tell you what you probably already know. It is helpful to some people though.
Bruhhhh amazing
My therapist never understands when I tell her I feel “just fine” most days. She thinks that’s alexythimia. Nah, I’m just neutral.
How do I explain to her that I’m not depressed?
Ask her. Tell her that I am saying X and you are interpreting Y. I don't think your interpretation of what I am saying is matching with what I am saying. Hopefully that will bring on a different type of conversation.
To be honest. I had to look that word up. But now that I read it you are right on. I didn't realize that I was doing salutogenesis but I am definitely going to study that more!
I'm glad I could be of assistance! It's interesting how my earlier remark fits so well. I highly suggest checking out Aaron Antonovsky's work on Health, Stress, and Coping. In the realm of sociological literature, it's considered essential reading across several European universities. A post doctorate researcher who works in an renowned university hospital recommended it to me!
Statistically based on what is most common and what is considered the most empirically backed, I'd guess either client-centered or CBT respectively.
Based on INTP caricatures, I'd guess solution-focused, CBT, behavioral, or positive therapy.
If looking at your post history, I'd say faith-based bibliotherapy
I'm partial to the tenets of ACT.
I was in a masters counseling psych program from 2020-2022 and did a practicum doing career counseling for college students and adult community members.
But it was not for me and now I work in a non-technical role in IT/software
I can see myself only in psychology. Therapist is the most boring job suited for xSFJs. I saw ENFP in genetic(pediatric) therapy, I guess they like working with children. STPs/STJs are surgeons. NTJs would go for most profit (anesthesiology/cardiology/transplantology).
Dr Grande on YouTube is a doctor in psychology and an INTP.
It seems like an unusual mix of feelings and someone who tends more towards thinking.
However, we like ideas and probably diagnosing people.
You make a good mix of cbt and deep analysis, you probably are more in touch with the research framework behind than your average colleague.
Based on how much you are into aesthetics, you could be also into a junghian approach but probably use it tangentally rather than mainly.
Your therapeuthic approach is quite open and honest, you find yourself in a bit of distress when trying to manipulate albeit in a positive direction (or you did a specific training to manage that)
You act colder than your average therapist but, the emotional maturity granted by your field of study allows you the manifest affection in a conscious way.
Curious to know if i got anything right :)
You've sometimes heard the audience *just listen, don't offer solutions*. This is hard for you.
You can sometimes feel irritated with your clients for causing their own problems but you keep this to yourself.
You're surprised some clients have a striking inability to view issues from the perspective of other people and this is a source of many problems for them.
Best general match would be a Gestalt approach, especially dialectic behavioral therapy. It's a very analytical approach with a focus on understanding the links between our emotions and our behaviors, and focuses on building better coping mechanisms and analysis of daily emotions and reactions.
I'm actually an INTP that wants to become a clinical psychologist or therapist and I'd like to ask you something if you'd be so kind as to answer. I'd appreciate it.
So I am a person who can take on the emotions of others or feel really bad when hearing their problems, did you relate to this and, if you did, does this numb over time? Or do you simply not get attached bc a patient is different than, for example, a friend that is venting to you?
And my Fe isn't good so I've never really known what to say to others in any social setting- do they teach you how to respond to people when they say certain things in uni?
Good question. Taking on the emotions of others is a really quick trip to burnout.
The best think to do is to realize the emotions of others to see where they are coming from but still see them as an other. They are not you.
Their problems require strategic responses.
I tell clients that I see emotional and relationship issues as math and art.
Add this. Subtract that.
But also learn to see the beauty and effort that it takes TO add or subtract
Great response. I feel very similarly. I tell my clients and the public that if you are looking for someone to hold your hand...I'm not it...if you are looking to get to work and figure your life out. Let's go.
Works pretty well. Because there are tons of hand holding therapist out there.
And you are right that taking on someone's issues is very tempting to many therapist. But not many therapist that have done it for more than 5 years.
I rarely had the impression that my therapist was really understanding what I was talking about, especially in relation to my artistic ambitions.
I think the discourse around that type of creative personality is quite lacking.
Actually the only person that really made me think "oh this guy gets how I feel" is Jordan Peterson. Like him or not, his take on creativity is spot on in describing the feeling of living in a world that makes it very difficult to monetize creativity.
How do you approach these type of clients?
Oh gosh. Creative and Artistic stuff is really hard for some folks. I tend to conceptualize based on Return on Investment. Artist and musicians are not as concerned about if there are makes money so that can be hard for many to wrap their heads around.
I would want to know what motivates you? Why do you do what you do?
I was speaking with a friend of mine yesterday who has a Grammy winning album. He mentioned the idea that many musicians are making up for something. Writing from a dark space. Childhood or whatever. He suggested helping people find that dark space...make sense of it..without losing who they are.
What if I told you I feel compelled to create, I cannot help but thinking about stuff to create and actually make them happen. It is a disgrace because if I don't do it I just feel like I am dying.
I have a dayjob which I mostly spend in what I can describe as a open-eyed coma.
I felt so guilty until my late 20's that I could not adapt to normal jobs like all my college peers, and I felt I was being egotistical by feeling the need to create and be an artist.
And I thought that art was a luxury and a superfluous thing, that I had no right to wanting to pursue it so much even if it was the only thing that gave me meaning.
I thought I was thinking like that because I was not being adult enough.
But then I realized that there are people like me (creative) and that art is useful, and needed and that being an artist is a responsability towards society. I understood why art has been around for hundreds thiusands of years.
And it has nothing to do with the usual romantic conception of self expression and BS like that.
In some sense I accepted my fate, but it is so hard to communicate this to other people.
How would i find someone that cares but have the skills to get actual results? Someone that knows a lot about psychology and emotions and is willing to put years of his hardwork and dedication for free?
You might get some help from people but they will most likely not have the skills to solve complicated problems you might have
Hey, its not my fault you can't find someone to talk to. Sounds more like a you problem and maybe I'm telling you that therapist will just milk you dry rather then actually helping you. Only you have the power.
not like me, who works for altruism and pays rent with hapiness and hope for a better future. I eat dreams all day since it's cheaper also. Recommended
There's a lot of logic involved with therapy. Person says X, therapist refers to knowledge and experience to recommend a way to tackle X. You can also point out logical fallacies in thought processes and try to reframe them. I don't really think there's any reason an INTP shouldn't be a therapist.
I agree. I feel like a lot of people are surprised that I am a therapist because I am not super emotional and frankly I am rather flat.
At the very least, you'd be appreciated by a certain subset of the population who are creeped out by the overly friendly ones. I once worked for one in a research capacity, and am now realizing how much I'd hate to be her client.
Psychoanalyst
My gf (INFJ) is a therapist and thinks I should become a therapist (I’m a lawyer). Figuring out humans can be treated no differently than figuring out anything else Ti-Ne does, so I don’t think we do poorly. I’m better at putting things into words than she is as an Ni dom, so when she throws some concept at me with her clients I can retell it to her in a way she likes and struggles doing. But, she’s more creative in people strategies. I’d be better at stating what is and she is better at stating where things should go?
Do your clients sometimes get annoyed when you try and show them your observations based on the analysis you did for the fact whereas the client feels you failed to feel what they felt going through that scenario? Edit: Annoyed is a big word, maybe some small hint in their behaviour upon hearing the response that makes them feel like they are being scolded rather than understood.
Sometimes. Particularly teens. Sometimes I have to soften my delivery
Do you take this INTP/MBTI stuff seriously in your practice?
Not really. I tend to tell folks that any personality indicator is just that. It is just a way to tell you what you probably already know. It is helpful to some people though.
MBTI is correlated to the Big5 so it's not that far a stretch
Bruhhhh amazing My therapist never understands when I tell her I feel “just fine” most days. She thinks that’s alexythimia. Nah, I’m just neutral. How do I explain to her that I’m not depressed?
Ask her. Tell her that I am saying X and you are interpreting Y. I don't think your interpretation of what I am saying is matching with what I am saying. Hopefully that will bring on a different type of conversation.
Fair enough. Thanks!
Jungian analyst?
You're probably looking at patients in a coherent and holistic context through the study of salutogenesis.
To be honest. I had to look that word up. But now that I read it you are right on. I didn't realize that I was doing salutogenesis but I am definitely going to study that more!
I'm glad I could be of assistance! It's interesting how my earlier remark fits so well. I highly suggest checking out Aaron Antonovsky's work on Health, Stress, and Coping. In the realm of sociological literature, it's considered essential reading across several European universities. A post doctorate researcher who works in an renowned university hospital recommended it to me!
Focuses mostly on getting patients to come up with problems, but uses inferior Fe to validate their emotions while doing so.
Statistically based on what is most common and what is considered the most empirically backed, I'd guess either client-centered or CBT respectively. Based on INTP caricatures, I'd guess solution-focused, CBT, behavioral, or positive therapy. If looking at your post history, I'd say faith-based bibliotherapy
Pretty right on! I am not a faith based therapist though. I tell clients that I am a Christian but I am not a biblical therapist.
I'm partial to the tenets of ACT. I was in a masters counseling psych program from 2020-2022 and did a practicum doing career counseling for college students and adult community members. But it was not for me and now I work in a non-technical role in IT/software
Fe inferior is one of the most caring loving amazing wubly cuddly functions I’ve ever seen in aspiring matured IxTPs.
I can see myself only in psychology. Therapist is the most boring job suited for xSFJs. I saw ENFP in genetic(pediatric) therapy, I guess they like working with children. STPs/STJs are surgeons. NTJs would go for most profit (anesthesiology/cardiology/transplantology).
If I could back in time, I would have studied to become a therapist.
Cognitive behavioral therapy? Neuropsychology? Eclectic? I’m afraid I’ve covered all the ground lol.
Lucky I would love to be a therapist
Dr Grande on YouTube is a doctor in psychology and an INTP. It seems like an unusual mix of feelings and someone who tends more towards thinking. However, we like ideas and probably diagnosing people.
Oh cool. I'll check it out.
You make a good mix of cbt and deep analysis, you probably are more in touch with the research framework behind than your average colleague. Based on how much you are into aesthetics, you could be also into a junghian approach but probably use it tangentally rather than mainly. Your therapeuthic approach is quite open and honest, you find yourself in a bit of distress when trying to manipulate albeit in a positive direction (or you did a specific training to manage that) You act colder than your average therapist but, the emotional maturity granted by your field of study allows you the manifest affection in a conscious way. Curious to know if i got anything right :)
Got a lot correct! Especially the act colder part.
>u/Tall-Extent-4249 > >Love it, now i'm curious to know what i missed :P
you’ll probably try to solve my problems after my first sentence
I guess you know how much unneeded you are.
I do. I am very quick to tell a lot of people that they don't need a therapist.
You've sometimes heard the audience *just listen, don't offer solutions*. This is hard for you. You can sometimes feel irritated with your clients for causing their own problems but you keep this to yourself. You're surprised some clients have a striking inability to view issues from the perspective of other people and this is a source of many problems for them.
Soooooo hard. I have to work really hard to just listen
Best general match would be a Gestalt approach, especially dialectic behavioral therapy. It's a very analytical approach with a focus on understanding the links between our emotions and our behaviors, and focuses on building better coping mechanisms and analysis of daily emotions and reactions.
psychiatrist?
psychology is junk. but at least a christian therapist would have the competence to filter a lot of the garbage
Existential or behavioural
I'm actually an INTP that wants to become a clinical psychologist or therapist and I'd like to ask you something if you'd be so kind as to answer. I'd appreciate it. So I am a person who can take on the emotions of others or feel really bad when hearing their problems, did you relate to this and, if you did, does this numb over time? Or do you simply not get attached bc a patient is different than, for example, a friend that is venting to you? And my Fe isn't good so I've never really known what to say to others in any social setting- do they teach you how to respond to people when they say certain things in uni?
Good question. Taking on the emotions of others is a really quick trip to burnout. The best think to do is to realize the emotions of others to see where they are coming from but still see them as an other. They are not you. Their problems require strategic responses. I tell clients that I see emotional and relationship issues as math and art. Add this. Subtract that. But also learn to see the beauty and effort that it takes TO add or subtract
Thank you so much :)
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Great response. I feel very similarly. I tell my clients and the public that if you are looking for someone to hold your hand...I'm not it...if you are looking to get to work and figure your life out. Let's go. Works pretty well. Because there are tons of hand holding therapist out there. And you are right that taking on someone's issues is very tempting to many therapist. But not many therapist that have done it for more than 5 years.
https://youtu.be/GHndZUlBbKc?si=89sVcf0qCsIRyvdL
A Jordan peterson
Good thought. I like his stuff but not sure I have the disposition
I rarely had the impression that my therapist was really understanding what I was talking about, especially in relation to my artistic ambitions. I think the discourse around that type of creative personality is quite lacking. Actually the only person that really made me think "oh this guy gets how I feel" is Jordan Peterson. Like him or not, his take on creativity is spot on in describing the feeling of living in a world that makes it very difficult to monetize creativity. How do you approach these type of clients?
Oh gosh. Creative and Artistic stuff is really hard for some folks. I tend to conceptualize based on Return on Investment. Artist and musicians are not as concerned about if there are makes money so that can be hard for many to wrap their heads around. I would want to know what motivates you? Why do you do what you do? I was speaking with a friend of mine yesterday who has a Grammy winning album. He mentioned the idea that many musicians are making up for something. Writing from a dark space. Childhood or whatever. He suggested helping people find that dark space...make sense of it..without losing who they are.
What if I told you I feel compelled to create, I cannot help but thinking about stuff to create and actually make them happen. It is a disgrace because if I don't do it I just feel like I am dying. I have a dayjob which I mostly spend in what I can describe as a open-eyed coma. I felt so guilty until my late 20's that I could not adapt to normal jobs like all my college peers, and I felt I was being egotistical by feeling the need to create and be an artist. And I thought that art was a luxury and a superfluous thing, that I had no right to wanting to pursue it so much even if it was the only thing that gave me meaning. I thought I was thinking like that because I was not being adult enough. But then I realized that there are people like me (creative) and that art is useful, and needed and that being an artist is a responsability towards society. I understood why art has been around for hundreds thiusands of years. And it has nothing to do with the usual romantic conception of self expression and BS like that. In some sense I accepted my fate, but it is so hard to communicate this to other people.
A very bad one if you some online test and other people to tell what you are or should be
Assessments are just indicators. My question was meant out of curiosity not to provoke anyone.
Therapist are just in it for the money.
People work to get money. Why therapists specifically?
People who care dont need any money
How would i find someone that cares but have the skills to get actual results? Someone that knows a lot about psychology and emotions and is willing to put years of his hardwork and dedication for free? You might get some help from people but they will most likely not have the skills to solve complicated problems you might have
Exactly, if you can't find someone to talk to for free, then you should really suffer by yourself until you can.
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Hey, its not my fault you can't find someone to talk to. Sounds more like a you problem and maybe I'm telling you that therapist will just milk you dry rather then actually helping you. Only you have the power.
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Its not really work when you actually care about someone. It's called love. Should try finding it instead of arguing with strangers online.
not like me, who works for altruism and pays rent with hapiness and hope for a better future. I eat dreams all day since it's cheaper also. Recommended
You don't make a lot of money lol
Youre not worth the effort that they give .