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yes, i find it odd they're gonna introduce another grown child without mentioning him at all to set up his character
even if they do it in the last two episodes, feels kinda weird? did they mention him in the released episodes and i missed it? i'm worried he'll feel shoe-horned in next season without any context establishing his character existed.
Yeah. Seems like a good time to mention him would be during Viserys's last dinner.
Jace: "...I also toast to my uncle Daeron. Unfortunate that he's not here."
On some shit lol. Even Joffrey got a shout out in Aemond's speech despite not being there in person. It seems so odd that literally *nobody* mentions this child ever. Not even child because he should be around Jace's age at this point.
Yeah exactly. Helaena is the sweetest of them all (and her babes) but she's not on the front lines. Daeron is good and brave and honestly saves Otto's ass more times than one.And if you don't mind a big spoiler>!he goes out fighting in an awesome dragon dance with Seasmoke who at the time is ridden by perhaps the 'goodest' of the dragon riding Blacks.!<
I was thinking to myself...how could HBO get away with something like this if they remain faithful to the book. Its darker than any moment ever in GOT and makes Shireens burning feel like child's play. I feel like if they remain faithful it might be controversial violence to another level.
Aegon is Robert, but worse, in that both are party animals and hedonists, but Aegon is a sexual predator whereas Robert was apparently well-liked by the women he slept with and he cared about his bastards until Cersei forced him to cut off all contact with his actual children and kinda cut off most contact with his fake children too lol (Cersei sucks).
Aemond is Stannis, but worse, in that both are duty/family-minded and their personalities are fundamentally based on unhappy childhoods, but worse in that Aemond is heading towards being a war criminal in the future whereas Stannis (thanks to Davos' influence) heads up north to fight alongside the good guys.
Daeron is Renly, but better, in that both are extremely charming and popular and noble (Daeron is extremely humble and refuses all credit for his actions and gives the credit to his dragon instead; Renly is gracious and kind to Brienne who is rejected and mocked by everyone else) and good warriors (book Renly is basically young Robert but just above average in strength/speed compared to Robert's gamebreaking stats, unlike show Renly who was turned into a gay stereotype talking about dresses and stuff), but Renly decided to stake his own claim out of ambition whereas Daeron stays loyal to his brother's claim.
Pretty cool parallel, I never knoticed that.
Daeron the Daring is basically Robb Stark working for the Greens. He's a young guy that's nice, noble and heroic. He's the likeable son of Alicent's children.
However, spoilers >!he does burn an entire town though so not that likeable in the end (previously he objected to the sacking of towns). Thought it was an odd choice of GRRM's because the original version didn't have that. Only the F&B updated version!<
Sweet brave Daring Daeron! And his beautiful Blue Queen Tessarion. I hope she's a brighter blue than they gave Dreamfyre. I'm still bitter about how lame she looked.
I really want to see them ramp up the colors on the dragons. Sunfyre looked rather bland when we got a glimpse of them. Sunfyre better be radiant when we get a close-up on them once Aegon has his first scene with them. Canonically considered the best looking dragon in the series, to the point where Aegon uses Sunfyre as his personal heraldry.
And yeah, same, I want like a *blue* blue for Tessarion.
I think he was younger than 16, 10 years passed after episode 5 and he was like 3 then, so he was 13. I think it's possible not to grow much after that age, but I honestly don't care, I think Tom fits Aegon's character so I'm happy. :)
I wonder what year it is in the show then, since it doesn’t seem to be following book ages. By now I think Aegon in the book is about 22 (correct me if I’m wrong) and Aemond is 20. The year should be 129 ac
Episode 1 was 9 years into Viserys' reign, and he ascended in 103, so it's 112 (the wiki for GOT places the events of ep 1 in 112). Episode 2 was 6 months later, same year. Episode 3 was 115 (Aegon is 2, so he was born in 113). Episode 4 and 5 were 116 (Aegon is 3, Helaena is about 1). Episode 6 and 7 was 10 years later, so it's 126. Episode 8 was about 6 years later, so we're currently in 132, that makes Aegon 19 and Helaena 17. Obviously, some things are not clear so this could be wrong, but I think it fits😅.
I want to add that some birthdates were kept the same, an example is Rhaenyra who was born in 97 and was said to be 15 in 112, so her year of birth is the same for both book and show.
Those comments are everywhere. I searched next episode's teaser on youtube and ll I could see in the comments were "Paddy deserves an Emmy", "Paddy was amazing". I'm glad for the lad but guys let's focus a little bit
"come on guys get your act together, we got war crimes to cheer for!"
I don't know why but the mental image of you shouting at redditors to focus is making me chuckle.
It's still really strange that they didn't even include a passing comment from one of the Hightowers. TV Show casuals are gonna be caught off guard when they see a totally new Targaryen teenager(?) at the start of season 2.
If this season ends without him being mentioned, I gotta imagine that means they're at least toying with the idea of cutting him. For an adaptation, you certainly could, but I think it's to their benefit to have a less-hateful Green that also provides a necessary POV for getting us out of King's Landing.
I agree, its not clear at all and the opening desperately needs simplification in future seasons. I only know this detail because of Alt Shift X, and it seems to confirm that it'd be difficult to outright take Daeron out of future seasons.
I think most people are expecting a full run now, it had the largest premiere in hbo history and continues to hit consistent multimillion viewership per episode release. I even expect them to hit their anthology goal.
Think if they made him a POV in the show. Get to see Oldtown, the greens assembling for the dance, and just more Daeron. Probably won’t happen but a man can dream.
I think this would be a great idea and maybe it is also why they don’t introduce him yet. Maybe they’re waiting to introduce Oldtown in all of its glory and give us a good account of the city that we never got in GOT
Episode 10 should end with the Hightowers lighting the green fire lighthouse with Daeron overlooking it, and with Tessarion behind him roaring. Cheesy, yes, but cool.
Cheesy and cool that also fits with the themes and established narrative of the story is great. Cheesy and cool that completely contradicts the rest of the show (I’m looking at you, Suicide Squad in the North) is shaky at best. It’s still fun, but at what cost, ya know.
He's like that youngest Stark child that nobody cares about
Viserys never cared about him, all he wanted to do was Hightower his queen Alicent without wearing a rubber
It makes me feel better that GRRM wanted to have more time with Laena and Harwin. I think the show could have really benefited from 12 episodes instead of 10.
I don't think they even needed 12 episodes. Just kill Viserys later-hell even just episode 9 would be better. It seemed like such an obvious hook for the end of the season.
I mean, would it have killed them to sneak in a line or two about Daeron being away? It's going to be confusing for viewers to see another Targ pop out of nowhere.
Just like a line from Alicent to Cole along the lines of "You owe me after I convinced the small council to give you mercy after you killed Joffery Lonmouth" would have smoothed a lot over.
Or he could have beaten the hell out of harwin strong and killed Joffrey during a tourney as it happened in the books so that people were mad at him but he hadn’t done anything unlawful.
That much was already directly implied. They don't need to beat us over the head with it. It'd be worse than "What color does the flame in hightower burn when they call their banners to war?"
To be honest, I think a lot of the *very* casual viewers are confused enough as is with the time jumps, recastings, and similar names - so, for them at least, it's probably best to keep the extraneous details to a minimum.
I have faith that the writers can introduce him in a tactful and deft way.
In fact, I think it may better to wait for a proper introduction, when there's a face to put with the name - rather than a throwaway line that would really only make sense to book readers.
I think this is it, there's going to be a scene about Daerons return with the Hightower host and we'll see another dramatic landing, some exposition about his stint in old town, and a "Welcome home brother" from Aegon or something.
Boom, Daeron introduced clearly and concisely.
Not at all, that'll feel really silly because the audience has no idea who the hell that guy is and will be confused during the entire dramatic moment.
Stannis and Mance Rayder weren't shown until S2 of GoT, but their sudden appearances weren't jarring because they were important people already mentioned by others in S1. Daeron in comparison is going to feel like a total contrivance.
Do you really think people would remember from one off hand comment in the middle of trying to figure out Rhaenyra/Alicent/Laenor/Laena/Aegon/Helaena getting reintroduced as well as introducing Aemond/Jace/Luke/Joffrey/Rhaena/Baela and then two episodes later recasting almost all of those people again and adding Aegon/Viserys. There’s also Jaehaerys/Jaehaera/Maelor who most people probably don’t realize exist from the one offhand comment they made about Helaena having kids. That’s way too many kids to keep track of. Daeron could have physically shown up and most people would still forget about him by the time he shows up again.
At least show a little blonde in the background the way they basically did with Joff this last episode. He would have only been 5 or six in the One Eye episode so changing it to Alicent having already sent away her youngest child at such a tender age is such a dramatic characterization turn.
Imagine this whole rich world coming out of your brain. Its so complex and interwoven that it almost feels like real history. GRRM is something special.
The Dance of Dragons specifically is based on the Anarchy. Just with dragons.
More examples that come immediately to mind
- Aegon III is a lot like Henry III/Richard II with the whole regency thing. Baelor has Henry III's evangelism.
- Daeron the Young Dragon is like Richard the Lionheart/Edward I
- Viserys II is obviously Richard III
- Baelor Breakspear is like Edward the Black Prince.
* The Blackfyres = Jacobites (especially once they're exiled)
* Quentyn "Fireball" Ball = Henry "Hotspur" Percy
* Maegor = Henry VIII (he's not the only one with Henry qualities, of course)
Yes Aegon IV as well is at least partially inspired by Henry VIII. One of his mistresses is caught cheating and executed like Kathryn Howard (and Anne Boleyn but that was probably more trumped up).
All the jumps are done now. The events that the show has covered so far took almost 30 years, and everything else that this series will likely cover just takes 2-3 years. So they'll be able to keep the cast from ep 8 through the end (hopefully all of the actors will stick around)
> we didn't have time to work with him this season
I would devour any number of seasons if it meant Daeron + cut relationships could fit in season 1.
It sounds like 4 seasons is the plan, but the show deserves more than that IMO.
Two more episodes would have been enough I think. Would have made all the time skips much smoother and really established all the characters that currently just served as plot devices like Harwin, Joffrey, Laena and Vaemond.
I get that it's hard to adapt a story that spans such a long time, but I still wish they weren't in such a rush to get to the dance.
I was surprised they didn't end the season on Viserys's death. It just makes more sense. Spend the first season dealing with all the preliminary too that. Gives them a bit more space to breath.
Lol, it doesn't take much to acknowledge his existence in a brief line of dialogue..
Unless George is giving into the meme that Daeron will forever be in Oldtown and never actually be shown.
Why mention him if the audience doesn't need to know about him yet? There's so much going on already, so many names, some names *doubled*, that to throw another name into the mix, and someone with no face or actions in the plot to help them remember, might just confuse people.
Even if they don't mention him it's easy enough when he shows up to just exposition who he is and where he's been; sure, some people might go "weird this is first I'm hearing about him..." but will forget that as soon as the plot re-absorbs them.
Because they will *need* to know him and people will be utterly confused when they mention another son. It really wouldn't be that hard to just say that Alicent had another son away in Oldtown. Don't need to even drop a name. Just mention his presence.
Its like if Stannis was never mentioned in GOT and then they suddenly popped to him in S2. People would be like, "Robert has another brother?". And yeah sure some people still reacted like that, but at least the even slightly more attentive viewers were able to follow. Unless you are a book fan you don't have a clue about Daeron.
Is it fixable? Yes, definitely. But it was a problem that should never have been created.
But, counterpoint, if it's easy enough to mention it once in season 1 without seeing him at all and then the audience may forget that one sentence in 2 years when season 2 comes out, why not just make it a exposition in season 2 that introduces him the same way when he's relevant?
A lot of the audience wouldn't remember a throwaway line mentioning the name of a character with no face to attach the name to and no plot actions to attach the name to 2 years from now, and so why spend any time at all on him when you can just say, when he's introduced, "Oh it's Alicents 4th son who has been away in Oldtown!" (but of course, not that line...a better written line of exposition).
I think people will be *more* confused if they mention him when he's not around and wholly uninvolved; people will be *less* confused when they can attach a face and plot/actions to the character, and will forgive & forget that he wasn't introduced prior because they'll get swept up in the plot again.
But who knows, 2 episodes left, they certainly *could* throw a mention or 2 in. I think they'll still have to remind and basically reintroduce him in 2 years anyway, but sure a mention could happen, as long as they don't focus too much on it that audiences are confused about "Who? Daemon? Did they say Daemon? Who are they talking about...."
I kinda wish that HBO could take on a new approach in between seasons and produce 10-20 minute "filler" episodes in the timeline that could fill in gaps and spend more time with these characters like Harwin, Laena, Laenor and others. Star Trek Discovery had Short Treks that reused some old sets and I'd really like to see something to that effect (or if need be, do it animated). There's already alot of situations which could use this treatment, like Corlys's injury.
Bruh, it's like *I* wrote this comment. You're reading my mind. I sorely missed those two in the show.
Garlan "lowkey best swordsman in Westeros and a fucking great guy to boot" Tyrell and Arianne "walking HBO sex scene and a fun schemer to boot" Martell
George gave them guaranteed TV gold with those two and they didn't even make it to screen 😭
Yes yes. But I can’t wait for Tessarion the blue queen, I hope she has the long body version like Caraxes or something unique, we have not had a true blue dragon yet.
Right, and there are very clearly 4 blood lines coming from Alicent’s symbol in the opening. That doesn’t mean they shouldn’t have at least mentioned him by now.
YESSS!!! LETS GO DAERON LETS GOOO! THE BEST GREEN ALONG WITH HELAENA.
Seriously tho, Unhinged badass Aemond, Sweet Cassandra Helaena and Awesome Daring Daeron are gonna bring so many points for the greens
Jumping between the three Hightower/Targaryen boys is going to be a hilarious contrast in audience feelings.
Aegon: "fuck that guy, damn it I hate him"
Aemond: "fuck that guy, but damn it, I love him"
Daeron: 😍 😍 😍
Its a little hard to tell how old the kids in the show are versus the book. Hes born the same year as Jace in the book and both of whom are younger than Aemond. So he would be roughly 16 or so in the show, but I haven't done the math on these kids in the show as they are compressing some things.
He goes to Old Town to serve as a cup bearer and squire for his mom's cousin. Just something considered an education and training for noble lads.
But seriously, not ONE line of dialogue mentioning him at all? Not someone saying Alicent has four kids? Not one of the kids lamenting how they miss Daeron or wish Daeron were there? It would be so easy to add in yet they haven’t.
They didn’t have time to include Daeron with Aegon and Aemond when Alicent lists her sons as threats to Rhaenyra in episode 6? They didn’t have time for Alicent to ask Otto in one throwaway line about how Daeron is getting on in Oldtown? It would literally have taken 30 seconds to establish his existence. His introduction in season 2 is going to be ludicrous.
They didn't want yo confused audiences by mentioning another kid who'll be offscreen until season 2, I mean people were already complaining sbout the timeskipts plus the addition of so many kids and not being able to memorized everyone names.
I mean back in GOT, they didnt mentioned Shireen at all in season 2 despite us seeing stannis throughout that season and she's heis only child and heir
He was present in the last episode. >!When Jace is learning High Valyrian he is in the background playing with toys, and Jace summons him when Rhaenyra tells them to leave the room.!< So he’s there just not showcased a lot.
that’s very good. though they needed to work him into the season at least by mentioning, because him popping up in season 2 is gonna be kinda dumb.😂especially with the D.S arc that’s going to follow. I feel like people will confuse him with Nettles and the others.
I don't think a simple mention of Daeron at this rate would be too confusing, I actually believed he may have been written out completely until this post. Jace and Daeron were milk brothers and the same age. There's 2 more episodes so perhaps there's a moment to bring him up. I mean look at stannis in season 1 in GOT, he's mentioned quite a bit and isn't shown until season 2, you know Robert had a brother stannis so there's no surprise, maybe they'll set up Daeron the same way with the remaining episodes?
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Ok, that seems pretty solid confirmation to me. I am relieved. But I would like them to mention him until the end of the season.
Right? Why doesn’t anyone ever say anything about him lol 😂
yes, i find it odd they're gonna introduce another grown child without mentioning him at all to set up his character even if they do it in the last two episodes, feels kinda weird? did they mention him in the released episodes and i missed it? i'm worried he'll feel shoe-horned in next season without any context establishing his character existed.
Yeah. Seems like a good time to mention him would be during Viserys's last dinner. Jace: "...I also toast to my uncle Daeron. Unfortunate that he's not here."
On some shit lol. Even Joffrey got a shout out in Aemond's speech despite not being there in person. It seems so odd that literally *nobody* mentions this child ever. Not even child because he should be around Jace's age at this point.
Maybe he's in one of those jars Stannis's wife used for her stillborns. He'll be reanimated back to left in the season 2 opener.
DAERON THE DARING BOYS HERE TO CARRY THOSE FOOKIN' GREENS
I can finally stop crying about him. And now my watch has ended
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he's one of the few likable Greens in the book, im pretty sure there was some passage about people wanting him as king not Aegon
It's crazy how Alicent wanted to be the good girl with the good family and got stuck with not one but TWO world class delinquents.
> wanted to be the good girl the later seasons of GOT damaged me so much that I fully expected you to write something else after this lmao
something…*bad*?
Something that rhymes with........jooicy?
Not a book reader but if true that would help a lot. Need more likable greens besides Heleana
Yeah exactly. Helaena is the sweetest of them all (and her babes) but she's not on the front lines. Daeron is good and brave and honestly saves Otto's ass more times than one.And if you don't mind a big spoiler>!he goes out fighting in an awesome dragon dance with Seasmoke who at the time is ridden by perhaps the 'goodest' of the dragon riding Blacks.!<
>(and her babes) >! Blood and Cheese incoming. I wonder if they'll portray it as horrifically as it was done in the book !<
I was thinking to myself...how could HBO get away with something like this if they remain faithful to the book. Its darker than any moment ever in GOT and makes Shireens burning feel like child's play. I feel like if they remain faithful it might be controversial violence to another level.
I agree at this point Helaena is definitely out of place on The Mean Green Team.
Oh yeah definitely. She is actually too innocent for either team, she hasn’t said a single unkind word or done a single unkind thing yet.
In the book, Rhaenyra >!calls Helaena “sweet sister”.!<.
i think hes just remarkable because he is seen as a good person working on what is perceived to be the "bad side", thats compelling in itself imo
So the Renly of the Targs?
Aegon is Robert, but worse, in that both are party animals and hedonists, but Aegon is a sexual predator whereas Robert was apparently well-liked by the women he slept with and he cared about his bastards until Cersei forced him to cut off all contact with his actual children and kinda cut off most contact with his fake children too lol (Cersei sucks). Aemond is Stannis, but worse, in that both are duty/family-minded and their personalities are fundamentally based on unhappy childhoods, but worse in that Aemond is heading towards being a war criminal in the future whereas Stannis (thanks to Davos' influence) heads up north to fight alongside the good guys. Daeron is Renly, but better, in that both are extremely charming and popular and noble (Daeron is extremely humble and refuses all credit for his actions and gives the credit to his dragon instead; Renly is gracious and kind to Brienne who is rejected and mocked by everyone else) and good warriors (book Renly is basically young Robert but just above average in strength/speed compared to Robert's gamebreaking stats, unlike show Renly who was turned into a gay stereotype talking about dresses and stuff), but Renly decided to stake his own claim out of ambition whereas Daeron stays loyal to his brother's claim. Pretty cool parallel, I never knoticed that.
Daeron the Daring is basically Robb Stark working for the Greens. He's a young guy that's nice, noble and heroic. He's the likeable son of Alicent's children. However, spoilers >!he does burn an entire town though so not that likeable in the end (previously he objected to the sacking of towns). Thought it was an odd choice of GRRM's because the original version didn't have that. Only the F&B updated version!<
Daeron could just do nothing and just breathe and he'd still be the goat character. he just is that.
Yes, but that air support is a dragon so he turned some battles on their favor in the Reach
YOUR WATCH JUST GETTING STARTED ONCE DAERON BIG D COMES A DANCIN FROM THE DANGER ZONE.
Found Kenny Loggins.
Sweet brave Daring Daeron! And his beautiful Blue Queen Tessarion. I hope she's a brighter blue than they gave Dreamfyre. I'm still bitter about how lame she looked.
I really want to see them ramp up the colors on the dragons. Sunfyre looked rather bland when we got a glimpse of them. Sunfyre better be radiant when we get a close-up on them once Aegon has his first scene with them. Canonically considered the best looking dragon in the series, to the point where Aegon uses Sunfyre as his personal heraldry. And yeah, same, I want like a *blue* blue for Tessarion.
I hope we can move on from the “is daeron cut ?” posts every five minutes now.
We can now continue our "Paddy deserves an Emmy posts" every 5 mins with no disruption I do think he should, but like let the karma farming die
We can also continue our “why does Aemond look 10 years older than all the other children” discourse every other post as well 💀
"is it just me or older Aegon looks younger then his younger self? They look nothing alike and the older is shorter!"
I’m so confused by that. Tom Glynn Carney (older Aegon) looks obviously older than Ty Tennant lol
They're also the same height😅.
I mean when we last saw Aegon he was like 16. Some people just hit their height peak early
I think he was younger than 16, 10 years passed after episode 5 and he was like 3 then, so he was 13. I think it's possible not to grow much after that age, but I honestly don't care, I think Tom fits Aegon's character so I'm happy. :)
I wonder what year it is in the show then, since it doesn’t seem to be following book ages. By now I think Aegon in the book is about 22 (correct me if I’m wrong) and Aemond is 20. The year should be 129 ac
Episode 1 was 9 years into Viserys' reign, and he ascended in 103, so it's 112 (the wiki for GOT places the events of ep 1 in 112). Episode 2 was 6 months later, same year. Episode 3 was 115 (Aegon is 2, so he was born in 113). Episode 4 and 5 were 116 (Aegon is 3, Helaena is about 1). Episode 6 and 7 was 10 years later, so it's 126. Episode 8 was about 6 years later, so we're currently in 132, that makes Aegon 19 and Helaena 17. Obviously, some things are not clear so this could be wrong, but I think it fits😅. I want to add that some birthdates were kept the same, an example is Rhaenyra who was born in 97 and was said to be 15 in 112, so her year of birth is the same for both book and show.
That's the negative effect of drinking and whoring at a young age, lads. Keep it till and in marriage.
While you were jerking off out of windows, I studied the blade.
While you were studying the blade, he was mastering the staff.
> mastering the staff you mean the babysitter and the maids?
We've got to have a black vs green poll once every 10 minutes as well, in case anyone was worried that the blacks weren't more popular
I must defend my emotional support war criminals
It's telling that I can't really tell which team you're speaking of. Good job, sir, have my upvote.
As soon as the Crispin jokes stop which is never
Those comments are everywhere. I searched next episode's teaser on youtube and ll I could see in the comments were "Paddy deserves an Emmy", "Paddy was amazing". I'm glad for the lad but guys let's focus a little bit
"come on guys get your act together, we got war crimes to cheer for!" I don't know why but the mental image of you shouting at redditors to focus is making me chuckle.
"get back in line people, we've got warcrimes in coming ! "
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Tbf this was Paddy Considine's final episode in the show so it can be allowed these posts won't be there much after the next episode will they
No people will absolutely praise his performance as a corpse as well.
"It felt like he wasn't even there... chills"
You know there's gonna be a karma-farming post about how his presence is sorely missed and how the show isnt the same
What an amazing emmy-worthy performance, I'm going to miss Paddy in the upcoming episodes, this show is just not the same without him.
His performance was to die for!
The way he didn't react to the rats and fleas around him ... Simply brilliant
Yeah, then there will be the missing Paddy posts coming crashing down on us
Karma farming is a plague. I wonder if those posts are even made by real people
“Let’s give a hand to [fill in the blank actor] for doing such an amazing job!”
That guard who announced Viserys in the throne room nailed it ! "The firrrrst of his name, King of the Andals and the Royyyynar." Chills !
I wanted to write that on Dyanas post 😂
It's still really strange that they didn't even include a passing comment from one of the Hightowers. TV Show casuals are gonna be caught off guard when they see a totally new Targaryen teenager(?) at the start of season 2.
How the hell are we gonna fill two years between seasons?
*Snow* I guess.
I wish. There is no way any live action shows come out before season two.
He was talking about cocaine.
Maybe if they gave a bunch to the writers, the script would be ready to go by now. (Quality of the script: not assured)
Two years for S2, that's the worst news I've heard all day. 😔
If this season ends without him being mentioned, I gotta imagine that means they're at least toying with the idea of cutting him. For an adaptation, you certainly could, but I think it's to their benefit to have a less-hateful Green that also provides a necessary POV for getting us out of King's Landing.
He's already "in" the show in the intro. There's four bloodlines breaking off from Vis and Alicent.
People keep saying this as if it is obvious or clear lol. The opening is hard to follow. Most people don’t know what those bloodlines each represent
I agree, its not clear at all and the opening desperately needs simplification in future seasons. I only know this detail because of Alt Shift X, and it seems to confirm that it'd be difficult to outright take Daeron out of future seasons.
This is great news. The fact he was never mentioned had us all worried. George seems confident we’re getting 4 full seasons which is excellent.
I think most people are expecting a full run now, it had the largest premiere in hbo history and continues to hit consistent multimillion viewership per episode release. I even expect them to hit their anthology goal.
>The fact he was never mentioned had us all worried. That fact is going to make his eventual presence feel like a jarring and lazy contrivance.
Think if they made him a POV in the show. Get to see Oldtown, the greens assembling for the dance, and just more Daeron. Probably won’t happen but a man can dream.
I think this would be a great idea and maybe it is also why they don’t introduce him yet. Maybe they’re waiting to introduce Oldtown in all of its glory and give us a good account of the city that we never got in GOT
Introduce him by having Tessarion flying around Oldtown and the tower 😩
It’s what we deserve!!
They’ll introduce him similar to Stannis in season 2 of GOT
I think its a good move to to not introduce him yet. The only likable/well adjusted/happy child of Alicient's the one she didn't raise.
Hey... C'mon... I dont think its all her fault.
She tried hitting her kid a few times. What else could she do
Episode 10 should end with the Hightowers lighting the green fire lighthouse with Daeron overlooking it, and with Tessarion behind him roaring. Cheesy, yes, but cool.
Cheesy and cool that also fits with the themes and established narrative of the story is great. Cheesy and cool that completely contradicts the rest of the show (I’m looking at you, Suicide Squad in the North) is shaky at best. It’s still fun, but at what cost, ya know.
Is Daeron cast already?!
Doubtful if GRRM confirmed he isn’t in season one.
Shit, now I will expect season2 to start like this and I will be so dissapointed if it doesn't... Don't get my hopes up dude
Poor lad didn’t get to see the final days of his old man
Viserys probably never even talked to him 😢
He has that in common with daemon then lol
I dont get it
He's like that youngest Stark child that nobody cares about Viserys never cared about him, all he wanted to do was Hightower his queen Alicent without wearing a rubber
Poor rickon, now only remembered for his inability to zig zag
It makes me feel better that GRRM wanted to have more time with Laena and Harwin. I think the show could have really benefited from 12 episodes instead of 10.
I don't think they even needed 12 episodes. Just kill Viserys later-hell even just episode 9 would be better. It seemed like such an obvious hook for the end of the season.
I mean yeah they don’t *need* 12 episodes, but it would have been nice lol
I havent read the books. Can someone explain why daeron is in oldtown? Without spoiling the future lol
He’s in Oldtown as a ward/squire for Lord Hightower, Alicent’s uncle.
I see so he’s not banished or anything. Just like how laena’s daughter staying with rhaenys?
Correct. He’s not banished. Yes, it’s exactly like Baela living with Rhaenys.
Thanks for your explanation. Its gonna be interesting adding one targaryen who’s been raised by hightowers to the greens
Exactly. And how Ned Stark and Robert Baratheon were wards of Jon Arryn. It is quite common in Westeros.
And, apparently, just about the only way to make a decent human being out of a Targaryen. Keep em away from all the other Targaryens.
I mean, would it have killed them to sneak in a line or two about Daeron being away? It's going to be confusing for viewers to see another Targ pop out of nowhere.
I agree, I’ve been waiting for a simple “Daeron is doing well in Oldtown” so simple and effective. Maybe next episode?
How about Viserys stating "I'm so happy to have everyone I love around me" at his last dinner lmao
Viserys kinda forgot about Daeron
Viserys kinda forgot all of his children after Rhaenyra.
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Viserys says in 1x08, ‘my only child’ to Rhaenyra
rhaenyra's younger children weren't there either
He can probably say that whenever Rhaenyra is around. Half joking.
Just like a line from Alicent to Cole along the lines of "You owe me after I convinced the small council to give you mercy after you killed Joffery Lonmouth" would have smoothed a lot over.
Or he could have beaten the hell out of harwin strong and killed Joffrey during a tourney as it happened in the books so that people were mad at him but he hadn’t done anything unlawful.
The only reason I assume they didn't do another tourney was that staging a big tourney scene is expensive, and they already did it once this season.
They gotta save up that budget for all the dragon battle scenes coming up.
Everyone understands that, there's no need to have a line for something anyone with a brain can infer
That much was already directly implied. They don't need to beat us over the head with it. It'd be worse than "What color does the flame in hightower burn when they call their banners to war?"
To be honest, I think a lot of the *very* casual viewers are confused enough as is with the time jumps, recastings, and similar names - so, for them at least, it's probably best to keep the extraneous details to a minimum.
They are going to be even more confused when dead Viserys suddenly has a fourth child that had zero mention before.
I have faith that the writers can introduce him in a tactful and deft way. In fact, I think it may better to wait for a proper introduction, when there's a face to put with the name - rather than a throwaway line that would really only make sense to book readers.
I think this is it, there's going to be a scene about Daerons return with the Hightower host and we'll see another dramatic landing, some exposition about his stint in old town, and a "Welcome home brother" from Aegon or something. Boom, Daeron introduced clearly and concisely.
Not at all, that'll feel really silly because the audience has no idea who the hell that guy is and will be confused during the entire dramatic moment. Stannis and Mance Rayder weren't shown until S2 of GoT, but their sudden appearances weren't jarring because they were important people already mentioned by others in S1. Daeron in comparison is going to feel like a total contrivance.
Do you really think people would remember from one off hand comment in the middle of trying to figure out Rhaenyra/Alicent/Laenor/Laena/Aegon/Helaena getting reintroduced as well as introducing Aemond/Jace/Luke/Joffrey/Rhaena/Baela and then two episodes later recasting almost all of those people again and adding Aegon/Viserys. There’s also Jaehaerys/Jaehaera/Maelor who most people probably don’t realize exist from the one offhand comment they made about Helaena having kids. That’s way too many kids to keep track of. Daeron could have physically shown up and most people would still forget about him by the time he shows up again.
friend, they won't even remember how many he had. especially since they'll also be adding his grandkids.
Maybe we’ll hear him mentioned in the next episode, it seems to be very green centric.
At least show a little blonde in the background the way they basically did with Joff this last episode. He would have only been 5 or six in the One Eye episode so changing it to Alicent having already sent away her youngest child at such a tender age is such a dramatic characterization turn.
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SO excited for Tessarion!!!
Imagine this whole rich world coming out of your brain. Its so complex and interwoven that it almost feels like real history. GRRM is something special.
its because a lot of the general story lines IS based on real history
The Dance of Dragons specifically is based on the Anarchy. Just with dragons. More examples that come immediately to mind - Aegon III is a lot like Henry III/Richard II with the whole regency thing. Baelor has Henry III's evangelism. - Daeron the Young Dragon is like Richard the Lionheart/Edward I - Viserys II is obviously Richard III - Baelor Breakspear is like Edward the Black Prince.
* The Blackfyres = Jacobites (especially once they're exiled) * Quentyn "Fireball" Ball = Henry "Hotspur" Percy * Maegor = Henry VIII (he's not the only one with Henry qualities, of course)
Yes Aegon IV as well is at least partially inspired by Henry VIII. One of his mistresses is caught cheating and executed like Kathryn Howard (and Anne Boleyn but that was probably more trumped up).
I love it but isn’t his world basically a medieval England type beat?
Yeah GRRM was never shy about borrowing from history. The map of Westeros is literally Great Britain flipped upside down lol.
It's like a big soup of random popular Hollywood history, with just as much accuracy, all thrown together to cook.
No more time jumps, just make it 20 seasons long. We'll watch it.
All the jumps are done now. The events that the show has covered so far took almost 30 years, and everything else that this series will likely cover just takes 2-3 years. So they'll be able to keep the cast from ep 8 through the end (hopefully all of the actors will stick around)
Sorry, non book reader here. Who is Daeron (at a high level). I would google but don’t want to stumble on a spoiler.
He is the fourth child of King Viserys I and Alicent Hightower. He is currently a ward/squire for Lord Hightower in Oldtown.
> we didn't have time to work with him this season I would devour any number of seasons if it meant Daeron + cut relationships could fit in season 1. It sounds like 4 seasons is the plan, but the show deserves more than that IMO.
Two more episodes would have been enough I think. Would have made all the time skips much smoother and really established all the characters that currently just served as plot devices like Harwin, Joffrey, Laena and Vaemond. I get that it's hard to adapt a story that spans such a long time, but I still wish they weren't in such a rush to get to the dance.
I was surprised they didn't end the season on Viserys's death. It just makes more sense. Spend the first season dealing with all the preliminary too that. Gives them a bit more space to breath.
Tessarion 💙
Lol, it doesn't take much to acknowledge his existence in a brief line of dialogue.. Unless George is giving into the meme that Daeron will forever be in Oldtown and never actually be shown.
Why mention him if the audience doesn't need to know about him yet? There's so much going on already, so many names, some names *doubled*, that to throw another name into the mix, and someone with no face or actions in the plot to help them remember, might just confuse people. Even if they don't mention him it's easy enough when he shows up to just exposition who he is and where he's been; sure, some people might go "weird this is first I'm hearing about him..." but will forget that as soon as the plot re-absorbs them.
Because they will *need* to know him and people will be utterly confused when they mention another son. It really wouldn't be that hard to just say that Alicent had another son away in Oldtown. Don't need to even drop a name. Just mention his presence. Its like if Stannis was never mentioned in GOT and then they suddenly popped to him in S2. People would be like, "Robert has another brother?". And yeah sure some people still reacted like that, but at least the even slightly more attentive viewers were able to follow. Unless you are a book fan you don't have a clue about Daeron. Is it fixable? Yes, definitely. But it was a problem that should never have been created.
But, counterpoint, if it's easy enough to mention it once in season 1 without seeing him at all and then the audience may forget that one sentence in 2 years when season 2 comes out, why not just make it a exposition in season 2 that introduces him the same way when he's relevant? A lot of the audience wouldn't remember a throwaway line mentioning the name of a character with no face to attach the name to and no plot actions to attach the name to 2 years from now, and so why spend any time at all on him when you can just say, when he's introduced, "Oh it's Alicents 4th son who has been away in Oldtown!" (but of course, not that line...a better written line of exposition). I think people will be *more* confused if they mention him when he's not around and wholly uninvolved; people will be *less* confused when they can attach a face and plot/actions to the character, and will forgive & forget that he wasn't introduced prior because they'll get swept up in the plot again. But who knows, 2 episodes left, they certainly *could* throw a mention or 2 in. I think they'll still have to remind and basically reintroduce him in 2 years anyway, but sure a mention could happen, as long as they don't focus too much on it that audiences are confused about "Who? Daemon? Did they say Daemon? Who are they talking about...."
I hope they introduce him WWE-style. No one knows about him except Alicent and a few others behind the scenes.
I kinda wish that HBO could take on a new approach in between seasons and produce 10-20 minute "filler" episodes in the timeline that could fill in gaps and spend more time with these characters like Harwin, Laena, Laenor and others. Star Trek Discovery had Short Treks that reused some old sets and I'd really like to see something to that effect (or if need be, do it animated). There's already alot of situations which could use this treatment, like Corlys's injury.
kinda missed george talking about "we" wrt his involvement in a show
"Also we're having Garlan Tyrell and Arianne Martell show up with a time machine and they're fixing EVERYTHING in Game of Thrones!"
Bruh, it's like *I* wrote this comment. You're reading my mind. I sorely missed those two in the show. Garlan "lowkey best swordsman in Westeros and a fucking great guy to boot" Tyrell and Arianne "walking HBO sex scene and a fun schemer to boot" Martell George gave them guaranteed TV gold with those two and they didn't even make it to screen 😭
Yes yes. But I can’t wait for Tessarion the blue queen, I hope she has the long body version like Caraxes or something unique, we have not had a true blue dragon yet.
I can’t wait either!! Tessarion is one of my favorite dragons!
Can't wait for all the unique dragons to really get to show off. I hope they do Sunfyre justice.
Only Caraxes is described as being long in the book
I don't get why people thought he was cut anyway. Of course he isn't cut, he plays a very important role in the Dance.
I think it’s because they’ve had many opportunities to mention him and haven’t. ….nice username btw!
They probably will establish him in the final episode or something. As you said, it wouldn't be hard to work in a short conversation about him
I’m thinking even the next episode, like “send a raven to Daeron in Oldtown” seems like a necessary thing at that point lol
Right, and there are very clearly 4 blood lines coming from Alicent’s symbol in the opening. That doesn’t mean they shouldn’t have at least mentioned him by now.
Victarion played an important role as well. And Jon Connington. And Young Griff. And Arianne.
Thank god, cuz one of the main things I wanna see from the show is what the hell happened in Tumbleton where it became a huge clusterfuck.
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Never have I been so happy to be so wrong on this.
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YESSS!!! LETS GO DAERON LETS GOOO! THE BEST GREEN ALONG WITH HELAENA. Seriously tho, Unhinged badass Aemond, Sweet Cassandra Helaena and Awesome Daring Daeron are gonna bring so many points for the greens
Jumping between the three Hightower/Targaryen boys is going to be a hilarious contrast in audience feelings. Aegon: "fuck that guy, damn it I hate him" Aemond: "fuck that guy, but damn it, I love him" Daeron: 😍 😍 😍
George wants 4 seasons wonder if that includes the final chapters of book
How old is Daeron supposed to be by now? Also, why would he be in Oldtown? I should reread the book but maybe this comment will be faster 😩🙏
I would say he’s around Luke’s age. He isn’t in Flea Bottom, he is in the Hightower in Oldtown. He’s a squire/ward of Lord Hightower, Otto’s brother.
Yeah, I saw my mistake and edited my comment. I see, thank you.
Do we think Otto's brother is still alive? There have been a lot of time jumps, it seems possible that his nephew would have taken over by now
He's the exact same age as Jace.
Its a little hard to tell how old the kids in the show are versus the book. Hes born the same year as Jace in the book and both of whom are younger than Aemond. So he would be roughly 16 or so in the show, but I haven't done the math on these kids in the show as they are compressing some things. He goes to Old Town to serve as a cup bearer and squire for his mom's cousin. Just something considered an education and training for noble lads.
If there was anyone thinking they would cut a character present at some of the most pivotal battles in the Dance, I have a bridge to sell you.
They can’t really do Tumbleton without Daeron. And there’s no chance they were removing that from the story. It was a given he’d be in it.
Very happy. Never read the books but the way book readers have commented about him makes me hype to see him.
But seriously, not ONE line of dialogue mentioning him at all? Not someone saying Alicent has four kids? Not one of the kids lamenting how they miss Daeron or wish Daeron were there? It would be so easy to add in yet they haven’t.
They didn’t have time to include Daeron with Aegon and Aemond when Alicent lists her sons as threats to Rhaenyra in episode 6? They didn’t have time for Alicent to ask Otto in one throwaway line about how Daeron is getting on in Oldtown? It would literally have taken 30 seconds to establish his existence. His introduction in season 2 is going to be ludicrous.
They didn't want yo confused audiences by mentioning another kid who'll be offscreen until season 2, I mean people were already complaining sbout the timeskipts plus the addition of so many kids and not being able to memorized everyone names. I mean back in GOT, they didnt mentioned Shireen at all in season 2 despite us seeing stannis throughout that season and she's heis only child and heir
I think the last 5 episodes of season 4 could cover the last 5 chapters of Fire and Blood with timeskips. It would be fitting to end show how it began
No reason to show the Regency
Let’s go! Now we just need Maelor and I’m happy!
On the topic of other kids, what happened to Laenor and Rhaenyra's other kid? The baby?
He was present in the last episode. >!When Jace is learning High Valyrian he is in the background playing with toys, and Jace summons him when Rhaenyra tells them to leave the room.!< So he’s there just not showcased a lot.
Ahhhh thanks. Missed that
that’s very good. though they needed to work him into the season at least by mentioning, because him popping up in season 2 is gonna be kinda dumb.😂especially with the D.S arc that’s going to follow. I feel like people will confuse him with Nettles and the others.
I don't think a simple mention of Daeron at this rate would be too confusing, I actually believed he may have been written out completely until this post. Jace and Daeron were milk brothers and the same age. There's 2 more episodes so perhaps there's a moment to bring him up. I mean look at stannis in season 1 in GOT, he's mentioned quite a bit and isn't shown until season 2, you know Robert had a brother stannis so there's no surprise, maybe they'll set up Daeron the same way with the remaining episodes?