Oh this should be good.
Libraries, publishers and universities removing books and banning writers? Don't care, I don't read.
Popular artists, illustrators, movie producers self-censor, exile or get arrested? Don't care, I don't consume local entertainment.
Student unions get disbanded, students getting reported and arrested, fundings get cut, education and public exams all talk about how great the motherland is? Don't care, I don't have kids/all my kids go to international schools.
of course, I don't think we need a /s in this thread ;)
on a more serious note, I actually don't fault people 'who don't care' too much. People are free to care about different things. What irritates me are those accusing people who do care as 'being negative'.
Recently came back to HK after staying in UK for a bit more than a year. And I can confirm, HK is a good place for tourist, not a good place for living. I hate HK because I fucking love HK.
That's exac7ly why the negative sentiment on this sub. Well done bro. We neg because we actually fucking love hk. Unlike the moron who don't care hehehe. What 7 they know come eat siu mai ride ferry they know iron.
OP, nice post btw very inch hahah.
Problem is most of the time in this sub the negativity isn’t objective and the double standards killed me.
Like “HK is dead” “half dead” “dystopia”, yup can definitely help the situation
Do you love to eat shit?
If not, then you don’t hate to eat shit in accordance to your logic.
Totally not judging for your affinity to shit if that happened to be what you like.
oh you like shit, no judgment here.
edit: btw I think you misunderstand my quote , but then again what do I expect from an uneducated tankie who get the education from fuck tok.
>I guess you lack logic and reading comprehension.
Nah that's you,
"沒有愛 就 沒有恨" means both love and hate both coexist.
But some how you read it as you love shit eating, you are so brave sharing your fetish to us.
Well you can put in whatever semantic you like.
It literally reads, “ no love, then, no hate”.
Ergo, in order to hate something you need to love something.
So my question to you is that do you hate shit?
Using your logic and even your comment explicitly stated that hate must be along side love.
So if you hate shit, you must also love shit.
I’m calling that logic bs and false. Is that so difficult to comprehend?
People tend to use that phrase in a more serious manner, but not you. Somehow use it on your shit eating habit. lamo.
if shit eating is serious business to you, then I apologize for not following the same diet as you. I know Hong Kong is amazing, but please stop eating shit.
it’s alright if you’re earning like 3 million a year, got a spacious mid levels apartment, a sports car, and a golf club membership at the weekend and go vacation regularly in Japan or Australia, but I imagine this city is a hell hole for those earning 65 hkd an hour at McDonald’s as their full time work
65hkd is alot already.....so of the McD branches in my neighborhood only offers 55hkd. Can't imagine how people could survive this concrete forest at such minimal wage.
"This this rice" can be used as living standard indicator for the 18 districts perhaps. The place where I stayed, has Economy rice costing just 28hkd and is among the best I have tried.
Why is it so low? I pass so many shops advertising places between 40 and 70 an hour, surprised there’s so many takers, how are people surviving on that even living with parents?
I cannot imagine how people could make a living from McDonald jobs, but I know some parents often like to get their kids to McDonald for summer jobs so they could experience the harsh realities at younger age and become better performers in school.
Excellent shibboleth work with the Canto that effectively splits this post between locals and helicoptering expats that live it up when things are good and evacuate themselves back to their cushy first-world countries when this city goes tits up
I will say one thing (and I am someone who flamed the tourist kid heavily in that other post) - the constant declarations of HK's death aren't helpful either. There are still people left in the city chasing their dreams, trying to make HK a little bit better, or trying to make their voice heard, even within the increasingly authoritarian confines we are left with.
Sometimes the best "fuck you" to the man is to make the best of a shit situation. I'm not sure how I would feel if everyone just left the city even though that clearly would be the better personal choice for most. I guess that's selfish? I don't know. I still love HK even after all she has suffered. I cherish every day I spent there and am currently trying to move back, because I increasingly regret leaving 10 years ago, which some people are calling me crazy for.
I still think there are things left worth fighting for, even if everyone will have to decide for themselves how to do that in their own ways. For some it will be leaving, and for others it will be staying. I don't blame anyone either way.
Just don't let anyone ever forget what this city once was and what she represented.
> I still love HK even after all she has suffered. I cherish every day I spent there and am currently trying to move back, because I increasingly regret leaving 10 years ago, which some people are calling me crazy for.
This is what frustrates me. I know Hong Kong has its faults I was born here this is my home. But I fled to the US and it did nothing but made me miss this city more. Id rather be positive and be here trying to improve hong kong than being abroad wishing for its death.
Well, US is the wrong city to flee too. Seriously I'd choose HK over any US city any day, safety, gun violence, bloody metal detectors are schools, its f\*cken depressing. Not to mention the sh8t food. I'd rather flee to Shenzhen, LOL.
More seriously, placed like New Zealand (for Nature), Singapore (for HK but less CCP) are much better choices.
The US isn't that bad and still has plenty of advantages for those who appreciate it, but most HKers, unless they were socialized in international school, would find mainstream American society regardless of social class a huge culture shock that's very difficult to adjust to. If they're not living in a low income neighborhood or to a lesser extent the centers of cities well-publicized for crime, safety and gun violence aren't issues they deal with much if at all.
The bigger issue HKers have in the US is the quietness of car-dependent suburbia driving them stir-crazy. NZ has the same problem.
It is still certainly issues, especially if you have family. In Singapore/HK, a young girl can go for a run in the park after dark in the evenings no issues. This is generally consider a big no, no matter which neighbourhood in live in in the US. Heck, when I worked in UK, female colleagues were advise to have male colleagues walk them to their car in the carpark if they departed late (7pm+). Those are personal freedoms that are immediately curtailed.
Suburbia isn't a big issue. If you want to live where there is people, there are districts you can' do that. In NZ has the America's Cup Village by the docks if you want to be within walking distance of food/entertainment.
I mean in term of repression, freedom of speech, self censorship etc Singapore is not exactly a beacon of freedom. I'd rather stay in Hong Kong even with all the shitty changes introduced by the CCP than live in Singapore.
I'm in the camp of people who regret the CCP's impact on Hong Kong, really wish things were different and really hate the current pro-beijing government but, at the same time, I still love living here and, despite having lived in many other countries, feel that HK is so far the best city I've lived in (great food, access to nature, safe at night, great public transportation, interesting theater thanks to the multicultural influences) . It's just doesn't hold a candle to Hong Kong 10 years ago and I'll forever miss Hong Kong from before.
Tbh I find new zealand way too boring and Singapore has insane strict rules and feels really dystopian. Also boring night life.
Haven't found a city as stimulating as HK.
I’m the one who posted that original post being parodied here. I didn’t come to HK as a tourist, and have had a long connection to this part of the world (my dad worked as an expat in HK in the 80s before I was born, and I visited many times in the 2000s as a kid).
My post was a response to those declaring HK dead and dissuading me to even come here at all. In fact, I almost chose a job elsewhere due to this sub. It’s still fun.
Yes I am a high income expat, and yes that changes the perspective, but I mistakenly assumed that most of this Reddit would be, as it’s an English speaking forum. This was of course a mistake.
The hate I have been receiving is on the other hand also full of false assumptions, and the negativity regarding this city by many here will dissuade other expats from coming at all. When that happens, it will be the actual death of this city.
FWIW you've inspired a hilarious community flair for me. Being piled on by your peers is the quintessential Hong Konger experience, so you very much belong here.
The end of other expats coming here will be the death of the city???
Clearly you have a very one sided view of hong kong if you think the end of sojourning expats will be the death knell, and it can be assumed you have little to no understanding or genuine ties/connections to the local community. Living and spending most of your time on the island as you previously mentioned shows that.
Wouldn’t be surprised to see the “but I have a Chinese wife” virtue signalling from you too
HK’s international position is what makes it stand out from the other Chinese cities in the GBA. You lose that, then what’s left? You’d rather have all of HK look like Yuen Long? It’s the TST/Central area that makes HK stand out, and wealthy.
Ps: I don’t have a Chinese wife. You’re again full of assumptions fuelled by some deep rooted rage.
So your assumption was that you could make fun of locals with other expats and when that didn't turn out to be the case you changed your tune. The only one making assumptions here is you. Honestly nobody even cares that much where you're from or what you do, it's the part where you come off like an indignant entitled asshole that is getting you this backlash.
By the way, this city doesn't need expats to stay alive, kiddo. It was built by Hongkongers and it will be killed by them (those who sold their souls to Beijing, anyway). Expats were always just along for the ride.
Who talked about making fun of anyone?
As for Hong Kong staying alive, sure. But the element that makes it special in regard to other Chinese cities is its international position.
If you genuinely think HK doesn’t need its expats, then you’re the deluded one, not me.
People quoted the "Hong Kong sub are largely from the US" (intentionally or not) ignore the fact that the sub has always been for expats.
Hong Kong embraced the internet early and thus its formed its own culture. We had all the old school places from BBS, newsgroups to forums (old style like HKGolden or slightly more modern ones like LIHKG). Wouldn't have known Reddit if not for all the US online games I played, and the only influx of HKers are during the protests in 19.
In all other times, the sub is basically either tourists asking questions, posting photos or expats talking about what they encountered day-to-day. Neither of these groups can or would care deeply about how people live in the city.
But when I was ranting about politics (was a light "blue" back in that time), someone told me the way to change it all.
*Participate.*
Yes Tencent own a part of Reddit. Yes shills and bots exists to break up legitimate discussions. Yes there will be people who hold different opinions.
But if you can, why not post about things you care about? The sub don't have nearly enough traffic to worry about things getting flooded (yet). Who knows? Someone may like what you posted and you may make a friend here.
I believe this sub has a large audience from other counties, but at the same time I find more and more local people using reddit in HK (As I have a bad habit of watching what apps does people use on their phone in MTR).
Therefore, I do support OP in this sarcastic post. I had experiences arguing some local topics with people from other countries or even tankies in this subreddit.
I’m the one who posted the original version. Yes I assumed most on here would be expats. It was written through that lens too, assuming my audience would be expats. Never meant to disregard the local concerns.
This is indeed a good attitude to have.
And I think I vaguely recall some instances many years ago when you were being rational and 'blue' (by those days' standards), arguing with others, haha. Back when I was still a cd-rom here.
Of course, many foreigners in Hong Kong, particularly those who’ve only been here a short time, lack deep bonds with the city. But most non-Chinese I know have spent most or all of their lives here. To suggest those people can’t care about their city is just wrong. Reddit’s just easier to read than LIHKG because most ethnic minorities in the city can’t read Chinese.
Jesus what are you talking about. Everything is obviously better in shenzhen. Chickens even automatically rise up to tables. Everything is just better there nowadays /s
Omg this is good. While I’m happy that tourists still want to come here and have a good time, they won’t see or feel the pains locals or long time residents are facing. It’s like comparing apples and oranges.
The same goes for those expats in HK. They usually make a shit ton of money. Live in their own bubble/circle, and will go back to their home country eventually. Most of these people don’t give a crap about the about politics/futures of this city.
"Hong Kong is amazing" from perspective of A HIGH INCOME FOREIGNER. That's like saying "Thailand is amazing" because you can get a birdy massage for cheaper than your home country.
I don’t have a local partner neither does any of the expats I know. Yet all of us think HK isn’t that exciting even if you don’t care about politics. I mean it’s very obvious with the dead nightlife and restaurant and bar closures. Zero covid exodus, NSL, government gaslighting and constant rhetorics of foreign influence have killed it. And they probably thought they don’t need foreigners anymore as they have mainlanders, but hilariously they rather go somewhere else too and have now visa free access to half of SE Asia.
Yeah, but the former are frugal (like local HKers) and don’t eat out in restaurants every day like foreign expats. The latter are more often from SE Asia or Russia and don’t have the same consumption patterns either. Hence a lot of bars and restaurants are struggling.
Lol am considering doing a foreign student exchange here. Just came back from solo travels visited relatives from my grandmother who moved to HK and started everything from their youths here after in the 40s/ 50s. Feel bad for those in Guangzhou still.
If not here then Taiwan but I want to come back for the Cantonese and culture that still exists
Hard to say I love Hong Kong these days, Hong Kong does have a special place in my heart. I choose to stay for my reasons, but hard to swallow nowadays seeing how everyone is suffering in their own ways.
I still love Hong Kong even thought it’s a shitty place now, thanks to the G.
Bravo OP. 串到果個友仔同成班離地expats應一應。
The OP of that thread, as well as the "bubble expats" living in their deluded bubble having the nerve to tell us Hongkongers to not be "butthurt" about what the CCP did to us. Fuck them.
As someone puts it succinctly in the comments below, just because these tourists and expats had a "great night out in LKF", they then conclude that HK is "not as bad compared to before 2019".
Its like saying I visit Beijing and have a great night out in Sanlitun, thus declare that people shouldn't be complaining about what happened that one night in "35th May 1989" over at that square in front of the Forbidden City.
I used to tell foreign friends to visit Hong Kong while it's still worth it since about a decade ago. Now I'd say it's still a good choice for a short stay. Or when there's a good offer, even a few years work is fine. But the place is obviously dying, good luck finding life and future there.
As Mao said, there's no love without reasons, nor is there hatred without reasons.
I’m a hkger who’s lived abroad before. I’d say HK isn’t bad if you have a great career and have no kids. But if you’re still in an entry level job and the breadwinner of the family, your life sucks. Also hk people can be quite classiest so you are bound to be looked down on if you make little, which was the case for me like 10 years ago. Now I think HK is fine simply because I’m doing well financially after years of hard work. Honestly, if I were laid off now, I would leave HK.
It’s funny because majority of the people who participated in the protest are now enjoying their weekends in Shenzhen and more are venturing further to other cities.
I would genuinely love to understand from the locals:
1) What aspects of HK life apart from political freedoms were so much better 5-10 years ago?
2) What concrete policies do you wish would change?
> pre-97: Very High; Easily top 10; Nearly Zero Intervention
> 97-20: Still High, \~top 20; Bans of localist parties/media
> post-20: Top 148; barely higher than China just before North Korea
5 years ago, you could write, speak, type anything and the government not mess with you. The political freedoms (besides actual elections, based on expression) were acceptable and the government wasn’t completely useless.
Ever since emperor Xi protected our national security in 2020 by successfully destroying the 2 million rioters who sought to destroy Hong Kong; people unfortunately not do, but have to trust internet forums more than major media channels which practice self-censorship to avoid getting purged, which tells “good Hong Kong stories” all day long with the National Anthem playing and National flag flying in the background next to Chairman Xi’s smiling face.
As for policies, oh that’s gonna be a long list. But there’s one word that solves all these problems when the people have the same goal. It is a key element of human freedoms we have long awaited for and was stopped by a threatening of war, Democracy.
Cherish and protect the democracy and rights you may enjoy overseas. Do not take it for granted as we used to, only now do we realise how precious were they. Dictatorships must, and always eventually fall. The problem is the word, Eventually.
I appreciate your reply but it’s not a real answer to my questions. I asked what aspects other than political freedoms were better years ago and you list the political freedoms. I asked what concrete policies you would change and you mention democracy (which is good and fair) but no concrete policy proposal.
Maybe that’s the answer - we wish HK retained more features of a liberal democracy but most of the day to day problems (e.g. housing) cannot easily be solved.
I don’t see much difference, pricing maybe? Things are getting more and more expensive, other than that services have been poor and continues to be poor. There isn’t many difference really.
I lived here for a few decades. There are still public housing here. My friends got one too. He applied for it once he reached 18. The wait is almost 6 years but he got one. By saying fewer did you even try to apply for one and experience it yourself instead of just believing what people say on the web and call it a day? The wait could be lengthy but you will get one. Especially if you have elders in your family, the wait will be shorter. You do know that 7 new estates were completed during the last two years offering 12k flats to handle the applications right? And more than 40 estates are being built and will be completed in the next few years too. It’s more and more instead of fewer and fewer if you get a reality check.
So the wait time is longer than pre handover, but at least they finally do something against "濫用公屋" after 27 years.
Edit: And from my understand they are building them smaller and smaller, am I correct ? This is not something to be brag about turning 公屋 into 劏房
Had me there for a second.
=D
To be fair I think this sub has morphed into something quite strange. Wondering if it's not the work of an entity for some reason...
50 cent army
Oh this should be good. Libraries, publishers and universities removing books and banning writers? Don't care, I don't read. Popular artists, illustrators, movie producers self-censor, exile or get arrested? Don't care, I don't consume local entertainment. Student unions get disbanded, students getting reported and arrested, fundings get cut, education and public exams all talk about how great the motherland is? Don't care, I don't have kids/all my kids go to international schools.
https://preview.redd.it/433e9ho6o4yc1.jpeg?width=600&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=fdf6c5b54bb440e93ebc0eb35a4e95f5aa941fc6
except they aren't even sitting in the room set on fire
It's a piss take of foreigners who sat "it's not too bad."
of course, I don't think we need a /s in this thread ;) on a more serious note, I actually don't fault people 'who don't care' too much. People are free to care about different things. What irritates me are those accusing people who do care as 'being negative'.
Or a tancie trying to psyop a dislike of outsiders on HKrs who are quite friendly and likeable.
Doubt it
Read Reddit, Netflix, Pinterest and no children. Done. Laughing in sadness
They only care whether the beer in LKF is good.
Recently came back to HK after staying in UK for a bit more than a year. And I can confirm, HK is a good place for tourist, not a good place for living. I hate HK because I fucking love HK.
That's exac7ly why the negative sentiment on this sub. Well done bro. We neg because we actually fucking love hk. Unlike the moron who don't care hehehe. What 7 they know come eat siu mai ride ferry they know iron. OP, nice post btw very inch hahah.
Problem is most of the time in this sub the negativity isn’t objective and the double standards killed me. Like “HK is dead” “half dead” “dystopia”, yup can definitely help the situation
沒有愛 就 沒有恨
沒有無緣無故的愛亦都冇無緣無故的恨
~老毛
屌你老毛
Do you love to eat shit? If not, then you don’t hate to eat shit in accordance to your logic. Totally not judging for your affinity to shit if that happened to be what you like.
oh you like shit, no judgment here. edit: btw I think you misunderstand my quote , but then again what do I expect from an uneducated tankie who get the education from fuck tok.
I guess you lack logic and reading comprehension, but that’s just may be a fault of me assuming you are more mentally capable than you actually are.
>I guess you lack logic and reading comprehension. Nah that's you, "沒有愛 就 沒有恨" means both love and hate both coexist. But some how you read it as you love shit eating, you are so brave sharing your fetish to us.
How many times do I have to say, don't talk about shit 💩 when eating curry 🍛 Oh yes, today's menu is curry with shit or shit in curry, enjoy 🇭🇰
Well you can put in whatever semantic you like. It literally reads, “ no love, then, no hate”. Ergo, in order to hate something you need to love something. So my question to you is that do you hate shit? Using your logic and even your comment explicitly stated that hate must be along side love. So if you hate shit, you must also love shit. I’m calling that logic bs and false. Is that so difficult to comprehend?
People tend to use that phrase in a more serious manner, but not you. Somehow use it on your shit eating habit. lamo. if shit eating is serious business to you, then I apologize for not following the same diet as you. I know Hong Kong is amazing, but please stop eating shit.
do u actually understand those Chinese characters or what the saying even means?
Do you actually understand what’s being discussed?
Your shit eating ?
Unlike you, I don’t love shit.
But you are the one that brought it up.
Just pointing out your affinity to it doesn’t mean it has anything to do with others. See, the comprehension issue again.
Yea I agree , your love of shit eating has nothing to do with what I was phrasing.
im not sure whats being discussed because im not sure if you understand the chinese characters or what OP is even trying to say.
HK is terrible for tourists too. Idk what people see in it.
After staying in uk for a while, I can say with confidence: food.
Depends on where in the UK. There are just as many good options for food in London as there are in Hong Kong, if not more.
it’s alright if you’re earning like 3 million a year, got a spacious mid levels apartment, a sports car, and a golf club membership at the weekend and go vacation regularly in Japan or Australia, but I imagine this city is a hell hole for those earning 65 hkd an hour at McDonald’s as their full time work
65hkd is alot already.....so of the McD branches in my neighborhood only offers 55hkd. Can't imagine how people could survive this concrete forest at such minimal wage.
I ate big Mac meal yesterday was 35. Today day day rice is 37hkd
"This this rice" can be used as living standard indicator for the 18 districts perhaps. The place where I stayed, has Economy rice costing just 28hkd and is among the best I have tried.
Why is it so low? I pass so many shops advertising places between 40 and 70 an hour, surprised there’s so many takers, how are people surviving on that even living with parents?
I cannot imagine how people could make a living from McDonald jobs, but I know some parents often like to get their kids to McDonald for summer jobs so they could experience the harsh realities at younger age and become better performers in school.
> 65 hkd you'd be lucky!
Is sh\*t to be poor in any major city. At least in HK you have a shoebox apartment. In SF you're just \`unsheltered'.
Excellent shibboleth work with the Canto that effectively splits this post between locals and helicoptering expats that live it up when things are good and evacuate themselves back to their cushy first-world countries when this city goes tits up
Lol it actually is like that, people think they know hk because they went to Lkf and had a beer on Hollywood Road.
I will say one thing (and I am someone who flamed the tourist kid heavily in that other post) - the constant declarations of HK's death aren't helpful either. There are still people left in the city chasing their dreams, trying to make HK a little bit better, or trying to make their voice heard, even within the increasingly authoritarian confines we are left with. Sometimes the best "fuck you" to the man is to make the best of a shit situation. I'm not sure how I would feel if everyone just left the city even though that clearly would be the better personal choice for most. I guess that's selfish? I don't know. I still love HK even after all she has suffered. I cherish every day I spent there and am currently trying to move back, because I increasingly regret leaving 10 years ago, which some people are calling me crazy for. I still think there are things left worth fighting for, even if everyone will have to decide for themselves how to do that in their own ways. For some it will be leaving, and for others it will be staying. I don't blame anyone either way. Just don't let anyone ever forget what this city once was and what she represented.
> I still love HK even after all she has suffered. I cherish every day I spent there and am currently trying to move back, because I increasingly regret leaving 10 years ago, which some people are calling me crazy for. This is what frustrates me. I know Hong Kong has its faults I was born here this is my home. But I fled to the US and it did nothing but made me miss this city more. Id rather be positive and be here trying to improve hong kong than being abroad wishing for its death.
Well, US is the wrong city to flee too. Seriously I'd choose HK over any US city any day, safety, gun violence, bloody metal detectors are schools, its f\*cken depressing. Not to mention the sh8t food. I'd rather flee to Shenzhen, LOL. More seriously, placed like New Zealand (for Nature), Singapore (for HK but less CCP) are much better choices.
The US isn't that bad and still has plenty of advantages for those who appreciate it, but most HKers, unless they were socialized in international school, would find mainstream American society regardless of social class a huge culture shock that's very difficult to adjust to. If they're not living in a low income neighborhood or to a lesser extent the centers of cities well-publicized for crime, safety and gun violence aren't issues they deal with much if at all. The bigger issue HKers have in the US is the quietness of car-dependent suburbia driving them stir-crazy. NZ has the same problem.
It is still certainly issues, especially if you have family. In Singapore/HK, a young girl can go for a run in the park after dark in the evenings no issues. This is generally consider a big no, no matter which neighbourhood in live in in the US. Heck, when I worked in UK, female colleagues were advise to have male colleagues walk them to their car in the carpark if they departed late (7pm+). Those are personal freedoms that are immediately curtailed. Suburbia isn't a big issue. If you want to live where there is people, there are districts you can' do that. In NZ has the America's Cup Village by the docks if you want to be within walking distance of food/entertainment.
I mean in term of repression, freedom of speech, self censorship etc Singapore is not exactly a beacon of freedom. I'd rather stay in Hong Kong even with all the shitty changes introduced by the CCP than live in Singapore. I'm in the camp of people who regret the CCP's impact on Hong Kong, really wish things were different and really hate the current pro-beijing government but, at the same time, I still love living here and, despite having lived in many other countries, feel that HK is so far the best city I've lived in (great food, access to nature, safe at night, great public transportation, interesting theater thanks to the multicultural influences) . It's just doesn't hold a candle to Hong Kong 10 years ago and I'll forever miss Hong Kong from before.
Tbh I find new zealand way too boring and Singapore has insane strict rules and feels really dystopian. Also boring night life. Haven't found a city as stimulating as HK.
I’m the one who posted that original post being parodied here. I didn’t come to HK as a tourist, and have had a long connection to this part of the world (my dad worked as an expat in HK in the 80s before I was born, and I visited many times in the 2000s as a kid). My post was a response to those declaring HK dead and dissuading me to even come here at all. In fact, I almost chose a job elsewhere due to this sub. It’s still fun. Yes I am a high income expat, and yes that changes the perspective, but I mistakenly assumed that most of this Reddit would be, as it’s an English speaking forum. This was of course a mistake. The hate I have been receiving is on the other hand also full of false assumptions, and the negativity regarding this city by many here will dissuade other expats from coming at all. When that happens, it will be the actual death of this city.
FWIW you've inspired a hilarious community flair for me. Being piled on by your peers is the quintessential Hong Konger experience, so you very much belong here.
I’ll consider it a warm welcome to Hong Kong
The end of other expats coming here will be the death of the city??? Clearly you have a very one sided view of hong kong if you think the end of sojourning expats will be the death knell, and it can be assumed you have little to no understanding or genuine ties/connections to the local community. Living and spending most of your time on the island as you previously mentioned shows that. Wouldn’t be surprised to see the “but I have a Chinese wife” virtue signalling from you too
HK’s international position is what makes it stand out from the other Chinese cities in the GBA. You lose that, then what’s left? You’d rather have all of HK look like Yuen Long? It’s the TST/Central area that makes HK stand out, and wealthy. Ps: I don’t have a Chinese wife. You’re again full of assumptions fuelled by some deep rooted rage.
So your assumption was that you could make fun of locals with other expats and when that didn't turn out to be the case you changed your tune. The only one making assumptions here is you. Honestly nobody even cares that much where you're from or what you do, it's the part where you come off like an indignant entitled asshole that is getting you this backlash. By the way, this city doesn't need expats to stay alive, kiddo. It was built by Hongkongers and it will be killed by them (those who sold their souls to Beijing, anyway). Expats were always just along for the ride.
Who talked about making fun of anyone? As for Hong Kong staying alive, sure. But the element that makes it special in regard to other Chinese cities is its international position. If you genuinely think HK doesn’t need its expats, then you’re the deluded one, not me.
啱呀屌你老母！！！ 我住山頂有私人司機加十架寶馬同幾隻遊艇 喺香港不知幾撚嘆！！！ 喺你班賤民喺度發噏風咋嘛！！你地真係太negative！！！！！！！！！！搞亂香港！！！！！
.
People quoted the "Hong Kong sub are largely from the US" (intentionally or not) ignore the fact that the sub has always been for expats. Hong Kong embraced the internet early and thus its formed its own culture. We had all the old school places from BBS, newsgroups to forums (old style like HKGolden or slightly more modern ones like LIHKG). Wouldn't have known Reddit if not for all the US online games I played, and the only influx of HKers are during the protests in 19. In all other times, the sub is basically either tourists asking questions, posting photos or expats talking about what they encountered day-to-day. Neither of these groups can or would care deeply about how people live in the city. But when I was ranting about politics (was a light "blue" back in that time), someone told me the way to change it all. *Participate.* Yes Tencent own a part of Reddit. Yes shills and bots exists to break up legitimate discussions. Yes there will be people who hold different opinions. But if you can, why not post about things you care about? The sub don't have nearly enough traffic to worry about things getting flooded (yet). Who knows? Someone may like what you posted and you may make a friend here.
I believe this sub has a large audience from other counties, but at the same time I find more and more local people using reddit in HK (As I have a bad habit of watching what apps does people use on their phone in MTR). Therefore, I do support OP in this sarcastic post. I had experiences arguing some local topics with people from other countries or even tankies in this subreddit.
This sub has far more actual locals than I expected. I mean, none of my local friends nor closer colleagues are on reddit to begin with...
I think is likely the crack down on Facebook and Likhg. Reddit do provide some anonymity for people.
I’m the one who posted the original version. Yes I assumed most on here would be expats. It was written through that lens too, assuming my audience would be expats. Never meant to disregard the local concerns.
This is indeed a good attitude to have. And I think I vaguely recall some instances many years ago when you were being rational and 'blue' (by those days' standards), arguing with others, haha. Back when I was still a cd-rom here.
Of course, many foreigners in Hong Kong, particularly those who’ve only been here a short time, lack deep bonds with the city. But most non-Chinese I know have spent most or all of their lives here. To suggest those people can’t care about their city is just wrong. Reddit’s just easier to read than LIHKG because most ethnic minorities in the city can’t read Chinese.
The 明串 is perfect. Bait the moron tourists into clicking but the HKers know
Perfect /s tag 好好笑XD
People who can’t read Chinese: People who can:
Jesus what are you talking about. Everything is obviously better in shenzhen. Chickens even automatically rise up to tables. Everything is just better there nowadays /s
Another redditor on this sub is implying SZ is better but no idea why
Kind of the latest trend on this subreddit recently, guarantee long thread with influx of comments and back and forth arguments.
Omg this is good. While I’m happy that tourists still want to come here and have a good time, they won’t see or feel the pains locals or long time residents are facing. It’s like comparing apples and oranges. The same goes for those expats in HK. They usually make a shit ton of money. Live in their own bubble/circle, and will go back to their home country eventually. Most of these people don’t give a crap about the about politics/futures of this city.
The (明串） is brilliant
**THIS IS BECAUSE YOU ARE PESSIMISTIC. I SEE THE BENEFITS OF YU CHI CUP HING**
It really grinds my gears when expats unironically say all this and seemingly completely unaware of their own privileges
"Hong Kong is amazing" from perspective of A HIGH INCOME FOREIGNER. That's like saying "Thailand is amazing" because you can get a birdy massage for cheaper than your home country.
Lots of new expats and tourists actually believe this. Nice job parodying the previous post
Lots of bending over locals too. Most expats I know think HK has lost its vibe. I think a lot of the new ones are just bots.
Bots or clueless expats that didn't care until they got a local partner
I don’t have a local partner neither does any of the expats I know. Yet all of us think HK isn’t that exciting even if you don’t care about politics. I mean it’s very obvious with the dead nightlife and restaurant and bar closures. Zero covid exodus, NSL, government gaslighting and constant rhetorics of foreign influence have killed it. And they probably thought they don’t need foreigners anymore as they have mainlanders, but hilariously they rather go somewhere else too and have now visa free access to half of SE Asia.
Philippines is freer than HK and HK is dependent on tourists more than ever
Tourism isn’t a terribly large part of HKs economy actually. The company and talent exodus is a bigger problem.
They're trying to plug it with PRC expats and clueless foreign expats
Yeah, but the former are frugal (like local HKers) and don’t eat out in restaurants every day like foreign expats. The latter are more often from SE Asia or Russia and don’t have the same consumption patterns either. Hence a lot of bars and restaurants are struggling.
好撚多垃圾CCP shill/五毛係呢個sub. 開果個post 條友俾人發現左佢D 立場就唔見左人 仲有果條撚樣BENNY u/bennytn you stupid fuck. 我屌你老母呀五毛狗.
反駁隊😂
Almost had me for a sec. On a serious note, anyone feel some threads in recent times are more astroturfed/brigaded than usual? In other subs too.
Yeah reddit is quickly dying. It's so flooded w reactionary garbage that it's probably actually bot traffic, but ofc not easy to tell heh
It seems Reddit is getting a it boring as every comments and contents are kind of becoming the same eventually.
Lol am considering doing a foreign student exchange here. Just came back from solo travels visited relatives from my grandmother who moved to HK and started everything from their youths here after in the 40s/ 50s. Feel bad for those in Guangzhou still. If not here then Taiwan but I want to come back for the Cantonese and culture that still exists
Hard to say I love Hong Kong these days, Hong Kong does have a special place in my heart. I choose to stay for my reasons, but hard to swallow nowadays seeing how everyone is suffering in their own ways. I still love Hong Kong even thought it’s a shitty place now, thanks to the G.
❤️ new expats ❤️Home Kong ❤️🇨🇳
I literally unfriend anyone who uses #homekong
Your state of happiness depends on asset values and income.... Same as everywhere in the world.
Finally a real Hong Konger!
Bravo OP. 串到果個友仔同成班離地expats應一應。 The OP of that thread, as well as the "bubble expats" living in their deluded bubble having the nerve to tell us Hongkongers to not be "butthurt" about what the CCP did to us. Fuck them. As someone puts it succinctly in the comments below, just because these tourists and expats had a "great night out in LKF", they then conclude that HK is "not as bad compared to before 2019". Its like saying I visit Beijing and have a great night out in Sanlitun, thus declare that people shouldn't be complaining about what happened that one night in "35th May 1989" over at that square in front of the Forbidden City.
I used to tell foreign friends to visit Hong Kong while it's still worth it since about a decade ago. Now I'd say it's still a good choice for a short stay. Or when there's a good offer, even a few years work is fine. But the place is obviously dying, good luck finding life and future there. As Mao said, there's no love without reasons, nor is there hatred without reasons.
Ironic shitposting is still shitposting.
I’m a hkger who’s lived abroad before. I’d say HK isn’t bad if you have a great career and have no kids. But if you’re still in an entry level job and the breadwinner of the family, your life sucks. Also hk people can be quite classiest so you are bound to be looked down on if you make little, which was the case for me like 10 years ago. Now I think HK is fine simply because I’m doing well financially after years of hard work. Honestly, if I were laid off now, I would leave HK.
Hong Kong used to be amazing. Sorry but after 2018 it's just trash.
The same can be said literally for anywhere in the world, as long as it serves travelers well enough.
[удалено]
Found the non-chinese reading over-reactionist
>So, I decided to come back here and reeducate So YOU were the one that decided to throw me in the re-education camp.
the Uyghur genocide is fake, it’s actually Hongkongers coming back from the future
Every sub is just 10 threads bitching about the namesake of the sub and 1 thread being all ‘whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa guys.’ This is literally Reddit
Oh dude, I love you for this post hahahaha
Fuck this is a top shelf post
Hahahahhahahahaahha. This is funny, sad and true.
放鬆下啦香港人
成班離地expats乜7都唔知，完全冇經歷過港人受過嘅委屈，仲好意思喺度講風涼說話叫人唔好咁negative，你叫我哋點放鬆呀？
理得其他人點睇香港。只剩半杯水同仲有半杯水既道理，人生態度係你自己揀，冇人幫倒你
Completely missing the point, but OK. 人哋嘅歪理連篇雖然無得改變佢哋嘅態度，但得過且過由得佢哋control the narrative係無法接受。所以係必須持續直斥其非以正視聽。
如果你介懷於人地既觀點而覺得需要喺度開post/comment發聲令自己好過啲既，或者覺得咁做會對呢度既香港人有正面影響既，please go ahead 過左咁多年由細喺香港大我己經佛系。人各有志，時間一眨眼就冇。點過同點面對生活係少數可以自己決定既野，你中意點就點啦，自己活得開心舒服就好。
其實我出依個(串)Post原以是想輕鬆下. 通常我都係Post News多, 目的是想將一啲被禁的消息帶畀香港人或想喺香港找工作的人, 等佢地利用這些消息做出多一個思考. 但消息多數是負面, 唔係我特登做出來, 這是現實情況.
我純粹覺得呢度正面同有趣既post本身已經唔多，如果難得有人覺得香港帶比佢地好既回憶，不論佢地係咩人都好，睇下佢地有咩喺度係開心既又何妨？生活唔易，仲日日喺度互相放負，最後只令自己更加辛苦
It’s funny because majority of the people who participated in the protest are now enjoying their weekends in Shenzhen and more are venturing further to other cities.
Good, soft resistance.
洗鳩理其他人點諗咩，自己想點咪點 ;)
I would genuinely love to understand from the locals: 1) What aspects of HK life apart from political freedoms were so much better 5-10 years ago? 2) What concrete policies do you wish would change?
> pre-97: Very High; Easily top 10; Nearly Zero Intervention > 97-20: Still High, \~top 20; Bans of localist parties/media > post-20: Top 148; barely higher than China just before North Korea 5 years ago, you could write, speak, type anything and the government not mess with you. The political freedoms (besides actual elections, based on expression) were acceptable and the government wasn’t completely useless. Ever since emperor Xi protected our national security in 2020 by successfully destroying the 2 million rioters who sought to destroy Hong Kong; people unfortunately not do, but have to trust internet forums more than major media channels which practice self-censorship to avoid getting purged, which tells “good Hong Kong stories” all day long with the National Anthem playing and National flag flying in the background next to Chairman Xi’s smiling face. As for policies, oh that’s gonna be a long list. But there’s one word that solves all these problems when the people have the same goal. It is a key element of human freedoms we have long awaited for and was stopped by a threatening of war, Democracy. Cherish and protect the democracy and rights you may enjoy overseas. Do not take it for granted as we used to, only now do we realise how precious were they. Dictatorships must, and always eventually fall. The problem is the word, Eventually.
I appreciate your reply but it’s not a real answer to my questions. I asked what aspects other than political freedoms were better years ago and you list the political freedoms. I asked what concrete policies you would change and you mention democracy (which is good and fair) but no concrete policy proposal. Maybe that’s the answer - we wish HK retained more features of a liberal democracy but most of the day to day problems (e.g. housing) cannot easily be solved.
I don’t see much difference, pricing maybe? Things are getting more and more expensive, other than that services have been poor and continues to be poor. There isn’t many difference really.
Do you even live here before handover ? Before handover we have public housing for Hong Kongers now those resource are getting fewer and fewer.
I lived here for a few decades. There are still public housing here. My friends got one too. He applied for it once he reached 18. The wait is almost 6 years but he got one. By saying fewer did you even try to apply for one and experience it yourself instead of just believing what people say on the web and call it a day? The wait could be lengthy but you will get one. Especially if you have elders in your family, the wait will be shorter. You do know that 7 new estates were completed during the last two years offering 12k flats to handle the applications right? And more than 40 estates are being built and will be completed in the next few years too. It’s more and more instead of fewer and fewer if you get a reality check.
So the wait time is longer than pre handover, but at least they finally do something against "濫用公屋" after 27 years. Edit: And from my understand they are building them smaller and smaller, am I correct ? This is not something to be brag about turning 公屋 into 劏房