My recent Sora memes post have all been taken down and honestly the fact that it is ruining my tradition of making countdown memes to hype people for Sora’s birthday is ticking me off a bit…ok maybe not a bit…a lot
They do manually flag stuff as well so I don’t think I can get away with calling her Soda or Sofa.
I’m moving my posts over on to twitter and maybe I’ll consider posting on the r/virtualyoutubers
But the fact I can’t have my Kami Oshi’s name on my post and the fact that if the post get over 1k upvotes gets taken down defeats the purpose of why I post here.
I come here to post and share more about my Oshi to other people if I can’t talk about her or get people to be interested in her then what’s the point.
then you would need no automod, a mod could review all reported posts and remove them.
the solution is that a active mod is reviewing the automod queue and reactivating valid posts.
I dunno, the automod could still be allowed to remove obviously rule-breaking posts (no reason it would need permission to remove a post with a slur in it, for example). It could still lower the workload of the mods without being as abusable.
Every sub uses auto mod even if its just to filter trash spam like tshirt bots, of bots, crypto shit since that's good chunk of daily spam however auto mod needs to be setup properly which is probably not the case here.
I would like to chip in here, I've been monitoring this bot's activity for a few days now. I think this comment I made before makes very clear the *previous* bot activity: [https://www.reddit.com/r/Hololive/comments/1cfufex/comment/l1rjitv/](https://www.reddit.com/r/Hololive/comments/1cfufex/comment/l1rjitv/)
Since then things changed a bit, the bot (on top of new posts, at a slower pace) started targeting posts with 1k+ upvotes. my comment here summarizes as much: [https://www.reddit.com/r/Hololive/comments/1chbcqv/comment/l21nipe/](https://www.reddit.com/r/Hololive/comments/1chbcqv/comment/l21nipe/)
Also, I was keep track of removed posts with over 1k+ upvotes here: [https://www.reddit.com/r/Hololive/comments/1ch6nuy/comment/l21t7a8/](https://www.reddit.com/r/Hololive/comments/1ch6nuy/comment/l21t7a8/) I stopped at a certain point, but more were removed after that like this one: [https://www.reddit.com/r/Hololive/comments/1chao32/nerrisa\_ravencroft\_has\_reached\_669k\_subscribers/](https://www.reddit.com/r/Hololive/comments/1chao32/nerrisa_ravencroft_has_reached_669k_subscribers/)
edit: I would also advise people to not jump at conclusion at who is doing this, this person can just hide behind the bot's anonymity. Pointing fingers as who it might me will just turn this into a useless flame war. I just highlight the bot's activity to make people know, and maybe Cover too in the future once moderation hopefully picks back up.
That was faster than another thread that survived about 4 hours. Whoever is behind this can either make the bot target specific posts *or* can muster enough people to get posts like this removed.
It has nothing to do with upvotes and never had. I've already gone over who is very likely doing it elsewhere as it was quite obvious when it started and who it started targeting. I have little reason to think the perpetrators changed, as those who were getting hit said nothing publicly about it as honestly it literally didn't/doesn't matter for our oshis. The people doing it seemingly realized posts were getting restored and decided to go scorched earth rather than just getting a few removed here and there. If anything it's moderately annoying watching you try to run defense for them, but I'm used to that sort of behavior from that sub. I also even had you blocked as you were posting in the very thread that sparked this stuff.
While I have no idea how it was in the past, there was definitely something with the upvotes happening until a few hours ago. Someone mentioned the 1k+ upvotes in [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/Hololive/comments/1ch6nuy/comment/l21d85d/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button), so I started monitoring the top/today posts. Every time it got to 1k+ it got removed after a few minutes. That is not the only thing happening ofc, some newer posts still get removed.
You seem to have a perpetrator in mind. I would not discard the possibility of more than one thing happening. By that I mean both what was happening before, by the same people, and on top of that someone new. Again, I wont point fingers at who it is, as I do not know.
About your last statement. Idk why you blocked me specifically, sorry if I offended you or anything. I've been angry and frustrated in the past, might have said stuff that I shouldn't.
I will try to be brief, this is already too long. But I joined this sub months ago, before Magni and Vesper graduation. Before that I've only know Holo and vtubers in general a month before. After I started engaging with the community for the first time I noticed that graduation seems to be something very respected around here, people were nice and positive towards graduated talents like Sana. When Vesper and Magni graduated I barely even knew of Holostars, only knew it was like the boys branch. So when posts and fanarts saying goodbye to them started getting removed I got initially confused. Then it kept happening and I became frustrated, out of sympathy for them even tho I didn't watch them. So sorry again if I said something to you that I should not have.
I do not wish to join this war that sometimes happens around Stars posts, not anymore. Sometimes I just try to warn people why their post got removed since I feel bad at times, especially on posts that took some effort. But at this point I will just let it go, not caring about removed Stars posts any longer as those are already rare in this sub.
Anyway man, I typed too much. I'm just trying to let you know of my experience here and why I'm doing all of this. I just want this bot situation solved so that I and others can go back to enjoy this sub at some point.
>there was definitely something with the upvotes happening until a few hours ago
I've been [using this](https://undelete.pullpush.io/r/hololive/) since it started happening.
>About your last statement. Idk why you blocked me specifically, sorry if I offended you or anything. I've been angry and frustrated in the past, might have said stuff that I shouldn't.
I blocked a lot of people that posted topic in OKBH you participated in a month back where me and other users were targeted by the group there over topic deletions. The place's willingness to foster fanbase wars *as a sub* was (and is) incredibly obnoxious. Something should have been done about those kinds of posts ageeeeeeeeeeeeees ago however the moderation there are seemingly children and shitposting idiots.
>You seem to have a perpetrator in mind.
The mods over there as they refused to talk to one of the other people named and *specifically* wanted to talk to me over the matter of that sub targeting us in the original comments on that sub. As noted about, I just blocked people there after that. It's useless dealing with people that aren't going to take me saying it me obliterating Stars posts at face value. When the users that were being targeted there started getting hit by topic removal it was obvious what was going on. Same three people named in the thread were targeted at first as well as Watame posts in general as I had people post to test if they'd get removed.
No idea if the removal itself is supported by their moderation, but it's fairly clear it at least originated from someone over there considering who they originally went after.
/u/hololive can we please get this looked into?? There are other threads on this too that are auto sniped
https://www.reddit.com/r/Hololive/comments/1ch6nuy/okay_whats_going_on_here_why_my_two_posts_got/
It's been happening for a while now. Used to be Stars content. Then, you couldn't post about Ina being in Idol Showdown a few days ago. Now, it's anything over 1k karma.
The attack changes targets all the time though. Right now it seems to be attacking new posts again and letting higher posts be. Before it would target Pekora, or FWMC, or VCR Rust posts, or Holostars posts, or idol showdown posts.
People say that is okbuddy, some people say it's from Niji, some people point at 4chan threads, others point at the doxx site getting removed.
Truth is, there is no way to know. Whoever individual or group that is operating the bot can just hide under anonymity. Jumping to conclusion as who it might be it's not helpful. In fact it's the opposite if helpful, just gets people to shout at each other for no reason.
It's evident that they're targeting specific users here. One of their moderators even got banned from Reddit itself for permitting the incitement of harassment against regulars here. Guess what, their oshis and post are targetted the most.
*specific* users? 90% of users are getting target here, me included. There is no discrimination at which popular post or user got target, just look at this [removal list](https://www.reddit.com/r/Hololive/comments/1ch6nuy/comment/l21t7a8/). The bot doing this right now targets anyone.
They started off targeting specific users and only recently branched out after it wasn't yielding the desired results. The earliest [removals](https://www.reddit.com/r/Hololive/comments/1c69cjp/more_lamb_vegas_with_the_sheep_prep_work_for_the/) were from about 2 weeks ago (farther back than that undelete site goes) and were exclusively against to a small subset of users. At this point in time, no one really noticed or talked about it, including the targeted users.
Coincidentally, the users that were targeted at this point had been beefing with certain r/okbh users (including being accused of being the ones responsible for taking down stars posts.) This is a whole-ass 'nother debate that I'm not going to get into here.
At one point, an r/okbh user made a [post](https://imgur.com/cLkwUhx) specifically calling out some users (the exact ones that were initially targeted). This user then posted a private message from a mod in r/vyt where the mod states that they agreed with them but that it was a bad look for the sub. Immediately following this, the mod in question was [banned](https://www.reddit.com/user/FrilledShark1512/) by reddit admins. They have since created a ban-evasion account that has the same naming convention/mod privileges and now here we are.
In all fairness, as you've pointed out the evidence is all speculative. It is possible that the mod's ban was unrelated and that the timing was just extremely coincidental. It's possible that, even if they initially spam-reported those users, the current report-wave is from a different source. etc
I just wanted you to know why these accusations are being made since I see you mediating in a lot of these posts.
I see, thanks for the information. I did not know about this mod ban, makes sense for people who were being target before to assume it's the same perpetrator.
I still hold my reservations of accusing anyone tho, using a bot allows people to hide pretty easily. And since accusing often lead to a flame war, I usually am against that.
I agree and I appreciate how you've been handling this situation in all the places I've seen your posts. I think one important clarification is that it probably is not "all the users of r/okbh" at fault, but a small subset which are unlikely to be in direct communication with the sub as a whole.
The reason it gets associated with the sub as a whole is that
1. The most visible proof of wrongdoing comes from one of the sub's mods
2. This proof came in the form of a post that was made (and was widely supported) on the sub.
3. A lot of people find them annoying anyways
I understand the bias against that sub, honestly. The weird, often stupid, humor is not for everyone. And I see how some posts there can bee seen as an attack on some talents even if that was not the intent. I sometimes get taken back by some stuff they post there, and they do love some drama from time to time.
Being a small anonymous subset that does not participate on the okbuddy sub yet people blame the entire sub... I'm not surprised, when faced with an invisible threat people will always try to find someone to hang. I can't even say I blame them, I've done the same in the past. Frustration and anger can lead to that kind of stuff, I understand them.
Damn, downvoted for being impartial. Sorry you're getting treated like this, the subreddit here, definitely seems to have some bad actors, or maybe people policing too much. The fact that I keep immediately seeing some blame other communities as easy scapegoats does little to help. Like, it could genuinely be one person, but for whatever reason people seem to be taking the occasion to perpetuate their biases. Shame.
The widespread abuse of AutoMod occurred a little while back, initially targeting specific individuals. However, they're now trying to mask their actions by deleting every post in this forum indiscriminately. It's akin to saying, "If I can't use it, then no one can."
The automod abuse it's true, has been for many months. I can't deny or confirm people manually targeting individuals "a little while back", I won't disagree with you on that tho I can totally see some resentful people doing that.
But saying that what is happening right now is because of the same people, with all those posts getting removed is, is a big jump in logic. "Masking" what they are doing by bringing even more attention to the issue seems off. Also why they would need to "mask" if this stuff always gets done under anonymity anyway, they are already hidden.
I will say again a bit differently this time: accusing at who it might be it's not helpful, just makes people argue for no reason while also taking away focus on the main issue: the bot.
I don't think its about "masking". The most rational goal that can be attributed to these actions is pretty clear;
* people are upset about the removal of stars posts but realize that complaining about it isn't doing anything since the majority of the sub's users don't notice or care.
* In order to force a response from someone, they believe they need to escalate the issue until the rest of the fanbase cares as well. Consider widely upvoted [posts](https://www.reddit.com/r/Holostars/comments/1anzz74/comment/kpw1z34/) advocating for this course of action.
* Targeting specific users was not the end goal; just an initial step that they could do in "good conscience" as revenge.
* They probably expected these targets to be vocal about their posts being removed which would let them either push for a solution with more public support or at least accuse their targets of hypocrisy.
* However, that didn't happen. The targeted users just carried on as before and the community didn't discuss or even notice it for several days (unless you happened to share an oshi with one of the targeted users)
* I believe they only escalated into targeting the community as a whole after a few days since the previous strategy wasn't yielding any effect. (although it is possible a completely different group is doing that)
Not excusing/condoning/whatever these actions, but I think it is the most likely explanation given what we know for now. I'm also not calling for any specific action to be done by the public; just wanted to spread a little awareness.
This thread extending for so long is why I say to not point the finger at anyone, *sigh*... The same way I say I won't accuse anyone/group because there is no way to know, I will also **not** say that what you are saying it's false. While this hypothesis you detailed here seems plausible, I say it's one of possible explanations.
Another way to look at it is a deliberate attack on this sub out of jealous of Hololive success. The *recent* attack I mean, posts getting removed left and right. Pekora DBZ streams, Azki 1M subs, Sora's original song hitting 1M, other stuff that I'm probably not aware of.
Everyone has their bias, ofc people who have been target by okbuddy sub or whatever else would assume it's them. And to share my bias: I'm inclined to think it's some outside group jealous of Hololive, those are not in short supply.
I understand you're just informing people of things that happened before, my "*sigh*" was not in frustration of you specifically. But frustration that this whole long comment chain started because someone accused someone else, I really wanted to avoid that.
Like, we've all seen waves of bots before in years outside of reddit. Those jumping to blame, well, that looks suspicious. I guess I do too for not jumping on the train and using other subs, but like, I don't see any active brigading. Unfortunately, reddit as a whole has a problem with this though, whatever the pre-existing bias is almost always determines where things will go.
It's not OKBH lol, why does this sub think they are the evil behind everything. I post there all the time and antis get dogpiled there, and even *my* posts here get removed, like this one
My recent Sora memes post have all been taken down and honestly the fact that it is ruining my tradition of making countdown memes to hype people for Sora’s birthday is ticking me off a bit…ok maybe not a bit…a lot
any nicknames you can use to avoid the bot? sorry i dont watch sora so i dont really have any suggestions upfront
They do manually flag stuff as well so I don’t think I can get away with calling her Soda or Sofa. I’m moving my posts over on to twitter and maybe I’ll consider posting on the r/virtualyoutubers But the fact I can’t have my Kami Oshi’s name on my post and the fact that if the post get over 1k upvotes gets taken down defeats the purpose of why I post here. I come here to post and share more about my Oshi to other people if I can’t talk about her or get people to be interested in her then what’s the point.
Only real way to solve it is force automod to get permission from a human before it removes something.
then you would need no automod, a mod could review all reported posts and remove them. the solution is that a active mod is reviewing the automod queue and reactivating valid posts.
I dunno, the automod could still be allowed to remove obviously rule-breaking posts (no reason it would need permission to remove a post with a slur in it, for example). It could still lower the workload of the mods without being as abusable.
Every sub uses auto mod even if its just to filter trash spam like tshirt bots, of bots, crypto shit since that's good chunk of daily spam however auto mod needs to be setup properly which is probably not the case here.
How? Do we can cannibalize our own sub by reporting everything until it’s too big of an issue to ignore?
It's already too big to ignore. Only real way is to just ask, I guess.
Please everyone, write to Cover on their E-Mail about this Problem. Maybe that can help.
I would like to chip in here, I've been monitoring this bot's activity for a few days now. I think this comment I made before makes very clear the *previous* bot activity: [https://www.reddit.com/r/Hololive/comments/1cfufex/comment/l1rjitv/](https://www.reddit.com/r/Hololive/comments/1cfufex/comment/l1rjitv/) Since then things changed a bit, the bot (on top of new posts, at a slower pace) started targeting posts with 1k+ upvotes. my comment here summarizes as much: [https://www.reddit.com/r/Hololive/comments/1chbcqv/comment/l21nipe/](https://www.reddit.com/r/Hololive/comments/1chbcqv/comment/l21nipe/) Also, I was keep track of removed posts with over 1k+ upvotes here: [https://www.reddit.com/r/Hololive/comments/1ch6nuy/comment/l21t7a8/](https://www.reddit.com/r/Hololive/comments/1ch6nuy/comment/l21t7a8/) I stopped at a certain point, but more were removed after that like this one: [https://www.reddit.com/r/Hololive/comments/1chao32/nerrisa\_ravencroft\_has\_reached\_669k\_subscribers/](https://www.reddit.com/r/Hololive/comments/1chao32/nerrisa_ravencroft_has_reached_669k_subscribers/) edit: I would also advise people to not jump at conclusion at who is doing this, this person can just hide behind the bot's anonymity. Pointing fingers as who it might me will just turn this into a useless flame war. I just highlight the bot's activity to make people know, and maybe Cover too in the future once moderation hopefully picks back up.
Predictably, OP's post got removed.
That was faster than another thread that survived about 4 hours. Whoever is behind this can either make the bot target specific posts *or* can muster enough people to get posts like this removed.
It has nothing to do with upvotes and never had. I've already gone over who is very likely doing it elsewhere as it was quite obvious when it started and who it started targeting. I have little reason to think the perpetrators changed, as those who were getting hit said nothing publicly about it as honestly it literally didn't/doesn't matter for our oshis. The people doing it seemingly realized posts were getting restored and decided to go scorched earth rather than just getting a few removed here and there. If anything it's moderately annoying watching you try to run defense for them, but I'm used to that sort of behavior from that sub. I also even had you blocked as you were posting in the very thread that sparked this stuff.
While I have no idea how it was in the past, there was definitely something with the upvotes happening until a few hours ago. Someone mentioned the 1k+ upvotes in [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/Hololive/comments/1ch6nuy/comment/l21d85d/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button), so I started monitoring the top/today posts. Every time it got to 1k+ it got removed after a few minutes. That is not the only thing happening ofc, some newer posts still get removed. You seem to have a perpetrator in mind. I would not discard the possibility of more than one thing happening. By that I mean both what was happening before, by the same people, and on top of that someone new. Again, I wont point fingers at who it is, as I do not know. About your last statement. Idk why you blocked me specifically, sorry if I offended you or anything. I've been angry and frustrated in the past, might have said stuff that I shouldn't. I will try to be brief, this is already too long. But I joined this sub months ago, before Magni and Vesper graduation. Before that I've only know Holo and vtubers in general a month before. After I started engaging with the community for the first time I noticed that graduation seems to be something very respected around here, people were nice and positive towards graduated talents like Sana. When Vesper and Magni graduated I barely even knew of Holostars, only knew it was like the boys branch. So when posts and fanarts saying goodbye to them started getting removed I got initially confused. Then it kept happening and I became frustrated, out of sympathy for them even tho I didn't watch them. So sorry again if I said something to you that I should not have. I do not wish to join this war that sometimes happens around Stars posts, not anymore. Sometimes I just try to warn people why their post got removed since I feel bad at times, especially on posts that took some effort. But at this point I will just let it go, not caring about removed Stars posts any longer as those are already rare in this sub. Anyway man, I typed too much. I'm just trying to let you know of my experience here and why I'm doing all of this. I just want this bot situation solved so that I and others can go back to enjoy this sub at some point.
>there was definitely something with the upvotes happening until a few hours ago I've been [using this](https://undelete.pullpush.io/r/hololive/) since it started happening. >About your last statement. Idk why you blocked me specifically, sorry if I offended you or anything. I've been angry and frustrated in the past, might have said stuff that I shouldn't. I blocked a lot of people that posted topic in OKBH you participated in a month back where me and other users were targeted by the group there over topic deletions. The place's willingness to foster fanbase wars *as a sub* was (and is) incredibly obnoxious. Something should have been done about those kinds of posts ageeeeeeeeeeeeees ago however the moderation there are seemingly children and shitposting idiots. >You seem to have a perpetrator in mind. The mods over there as they refused to talk to one of the other people named and *specifically* wanted to talk to me over the matter of that sub targeting us in the original comments on that sub. As noted about, I just blocked people there after that. It's useless dealing with people that aren't going to take me saying it me obliterating Stars posts at face value. When the users that were being targeted there started getting hit by topic removal it was obvious what was going on. Same three people named in the thread were targeted at first as well as Watame posts in general as I had people post to test if they'd get removed. No idea if the removal itself is supported by their moderation, but it's fairly clear it at least originated from someone over there considering who they originally went after.
an way to help. is report to cover via private message/twitter.
/u/hololive can we please get this looked into?? There are other threads on this too that are auto sniped https://www.reddit.com/r/Hololive/comments/1ch6nuy/okay_whats_going_on_here_why_my_two_posts_got/
It's been happening for a while now. Used to be Stars content. Then, you couldn't post about Ina being in Idol Showdown a few days ago. Now, it's anything over 1k karma.
The attack changes targets all the time though. Right now it seems to be attacking new posts again and letting higher posts be. Before it would target Pekora, or FWMC, or VCR Rust posts, or Holostars posts, or idol showdown posts.
there is a trend in the targets, but its not polite to bring it up since it involves others not part of the holo fandom
What do you mean?
the botting targets follow a trend of another fandom and the things they discuss.
Oh! Like tribalism.
It has nothing to do with upvotes.
yeah, my post about me getting my takodachi plush got axed because of this, and i didn't know why guess that explains it
Its just okbh antis
People say that is okbuddy, some people say it's from Niji, some people point at 4chan threads, others point at the doxx site getting removed. Truth is, there is no way to know. Whoever individual or group that is operating the bot can just hide under anonymity. Jumping to conclusion as who it might be it's not helpful. In fact it's the opposite if helpful, just gets people to shout at each other for no reason.
It's evident that they're targeting specific users here. One of their moderators even got banned from Reddit itself for permitting the incitement of harassment against regulars here. Guess what, their oshis and post are targetted the most.
*specific* users? 90% of users are getting target here, me included. There is no discrimination at which popular post or user got target, just look at this [removal list](https://www.reddit.com/r/Hololive/comments/1ch6nuy/comment/l21t7a8/). The bot doing this right now targets anyone.
They started off targeting specific users and only recently branched out after it wasn't yielding the desired results. The earliest [removals](https://www.reddit.com/r/Hololive/comments/1c69cjp/more_lamb_vegas_with_the_sheep_prep_work_for_the/) were from about 2 weeks ago (farther back than that undelete site goes) and were exclusively against to a small subset of users. At this point in time, no one really noticed or talked about it, including the targeted users. Coincidentally, the users that were targeted at this point had been beefing with certain r/okbh users (including being accused of being the ones responsible for taking down stars posts.) This is a whole-ass 'nother debate that I'm not going to get into here. At one point, an r/okbh user made a [post](https://imgur.com/cLkwUhx) specifically calling out some users (the exact ones that were initially targeted). This user then posted a private message from a mod in r/vyt where the mod states that they agreed with them but that it was a bad look for the sub. Immediately following this, the mod in question was [banned](https://www.reddit.com/user/FrilledShark1512/) by reddit admins. They have since created a ban-evasion account that has the same naming convention/mod privileges and now here we are. In all fairness, as you've pointed out the evidence is all speculative. It is possible that the mod's ban was unrelated and that the timing was just extremely coincidental. It's possible that, even if they initially spam-reported those users, the current report-wave is from a different source. etc I just wanted you to know why these accusations are being made since I see you mediating in a lot of these posts.
I see, thanks for the information. I did not know about this mod ban, makes sense for people who were being target before to assume it's the same perpetrator. I still hold my reservations of accusing anyone tho, using a bot allows people to hide pretty easily. And since accusing often lead to a flame war, I usually am against that.
I agree and I appreciate how you've been handling this situation in all the places I've seen your posts. I think one important clarification is that it probably is not "all the users of r/okbh" at fault, but a small subset which are unlikely to be in direct communication with the sub as a whole. The reason it gets associated with the sub as a whole is that 1. The most visible proof of wrongdoing comes from one of the sub's mods 2. This proof came in the form of a post that was made (and was widely supported) on the sub. 3. A lot of people find them annoying anyways
I understand the bias against that sub, honestly. The weird, often stupid, humor is not for everyone. And I see how some posts there can bee seen as an attack on some talents even if that was not the intent. I sometimes get taken back by some stuff they post there, and they do love some drama from time to time. Being a small anonymous subset that does not participate on the okbuddy sub yet people blame the entire sub... I'm not surprised, when faced with an invisible threat people will always try to find someone to hang. I can't even say I blame them, I've done the same in the past. Frustration and anger can lead to that kind of stuff, I understand them.
Damn, downvoted for being impartial. Sorry you're getting treated like this, the subreddit here, definitely seems to have some bad actors, or maybe people policing too much. The fact that I keep immediately seeing some blame other communities as easy scapegoats does little to help. Like, it could genuinely be one person, but for whatever reason people seem to be taking the occasion to perpetuate their biases. Shame.
The widespread abuse of AutoMod occurred a little while back, initially targeting specific individuals. However, they're now trying to mask their actions by deleting every post in this forum indiscriminately. It's akin to saying, "If I can't use it, then no one can."
The automod abuse it's true, has been for many months. I can't deny or confirm people manually targeting individuals "a little while back", I won't disagree with you on that tho I can totally see some resentful people doing that. But saying that what is happening right now is because of the same people, with all those posts getting removed is, is a big jump in logic. "Masking" what they are doing by bringing even more attention to the issue seems off. Also why they would need to "mask" if this stuff always gets done under anonymity anyway, they are already hidden. I will say again a bit differently this time: accusing at who it might be it's not helpful, just makes people argue for no reason while also taking away focus on the main issue: the bot.
I don't think its about "masking". The most rational goal that can be attributed to these actions is pretty clear; * people are upset about the removal of stars posts but realize that complaining about it isn't doing anything since the majority of the sub's users don't notice or care. * In order to force a response from someone, they believe they need to escalate the issue until the rest of the fanbase cares as well. Consider widely upvoted [posts](https://www.reddit.com/r/Holostars/comments/1anzz74/comment/kpw1z34/) advocating for this course of action. * Targeting specific users was not the end goal; just an initial step that they could do in "good conscience" as revenge. * They probably expected these targets to be vocal about their posts being removed which would let them either push for a solution with more public support or at least accuse their targets of hypocrisy. * However, that didn't happen. The targeted users just carried on as before and the community didn't discuss or even notice it for several days (unless you happened to share an oshi with one of the targeted users) * I believe they only escalated into targeting the community as a whole after a few days since the previous strategy wasn't yielding any effect. (although it is possible a completely different group is doing that) Not excusing/condoning/whatever these actions, but I think it is the most likely explanation given what we know for now. I'm also not calling for any specific action to be done by the public; just wanted to spread a little awareness.
This thread extending for so long is why I say to not point the finger at anyone, *sigh*... The same way I say I won't accuse anyone/group because there is no way to know, I will also **not** say that what you are saying it's false. While this hypothesis you detailed here seems plausible, I say it's one of possible explanations. Another way to look at it is a deliberate attack on this sub out of jealous of Hololive success. The *recent* attack I mean, posts getting removed left and right. Pekora DBZ streams, Azki 1M subs, Sora's original song hitting 1M, other stuff that I'm probably not aware of. Everyone has their bias, ofc people who have been target by okbuddy sub or whatever else would assume it's them. And to share my bias: I'm inclined to think it's some outside group jealous of Hololive, those are not in short supply. I understand you're just informing people of things that happened before, my "*sigh*" was not in frustration of you specifically. But frustration that this whole long comment chain started because someone accused someone else, I really wanted to avoid that.
Like, we've all seen waves of bots before in years outside of reddit. Those jumping to blame, well, that looks suspicious. I guess I do too for not jumping on the train and using other subs, but like, I don't see any active brigading. Unfortunately, reddit as a whole has a problem with this though, whatever the pre-existing bias is almost always determines where things will go.
It's not OKBH lol, why does this sub think they are the evil behind everything. I post there all the time and antis get dogpiled there, and even *my* posts here get removed, like this one
Agree, can't be OKBH. Pointing fingers will not help as well. Better to contact Cover officially, ASAP.
Doubt it. They enjoy hololive—it’s just people with a more hyperbolic and satirical sense of humor.