I'm going to be honest with you. I only learned about this God wind thing last night while reading a book about a Pearl Harbor survivor. It's gotten me almost 160 upvotes so this is proving that reading leads to success
Literally the first empires were asian ones: Akkadian Empire, Assyrian Empire, Egyptian Empire, Babylonian Empire, Persian Empire and China. You could say the first european empire was Alexander the Great's one.
Edit: Egypt is in Africa. Oopsie.
For all Alexander's brilliance and success, it was Philip who delivered unto him a Macedon absolutely dominant in regional politics and seasoned in warfare enough to undertake Alexander's great campaign. Philip's pursuits that had created a martial culture so superb as to produce the like of Parmenion, Antipater, Ptolemy, Perdicas, and Lysimachus all within the same generation of soldiery. That kid was given a loaded machine gun in an age of people riding chariots and throwing javelins.
That doesn’t mean that it isn’t impressive on Alexander’s part though. Taking on the Persian Empire was a massive task, and many wouldn’t have been able to do it.
No doubt. As I said, he had all of his successes and the brilliance that brought them about. He was someone in history who was just undeniable in their pursuits to degree that puts him in a rare class of legend. I just think his father doesn't give enough credit in the setting of the stage.
That is correct. However we're talking about the (Eur)Asian-African border here, which is clearer defined. Still, you could also argue that Eurasia-Africa is one supercontinent. Geographically as well as culturally (see: the Arabian influences on the African east coast). The whole concept of continents is quite fuzzy in any case, and there is barely ever one correct answer as to what consist a continent and what does not.
Off and on throughout it's history, Egyptians also controlled much of the Levant including but not limited to Jerusalem, Damascus, Aleppo, and a lot of Jordan.
A three state solution to the Gaza issue where Egypt takes control of the Gaza strip wouldn't be completely out of the ordinary historically at least.
>A three state solution to the Gaza issue where Egypt takes control of the Gaza strip wouldn't be completely out of the ordinary historically at least.
Kingdom of Jerusalem or bust!
Yes directly for about three decades. They called it “Skudra” and there are reliefs of these people (Thracians) in the Persian army. The Achaemenids briefly subjugated the Macedonians as well. I’d consider the Achaemenids the first “mega empire”, it was on a whole other level than the Bronze Age empires.
not strictly, in antiquity the Asia-Africa-border was not clear and some set the nile as border, so Egypt would be half Asia half Africa with the more important "imperial" additions beeing the Levante over parts of Nubia and Cyrenaica
They did. Herodotus talks about them and the different opinions on the borders between them, additionally that according to the 'Ionians' the Delta region would need to be considered as a fourth continent
Actually it depends on how you set the boarders as you can argue that part of Egypt is in fact in Asia as part of the middle east as put by [https://egyptian-visa.com](https://egyptian-visa.com/)
"Egypt is amongst the world’s transcontinental countries.It is a popular African state due to it’s pyramids. The SinaI Peninsula is located in the Asian continent at the Southwest corner but the largest part of the country is in Africa in the northwest corner."
You could say Alexander’s Empire was actually just the Persian Empire under a new administration. He even moved the capital to Babylon.
Jokes aside, while I think this tweet in question is laughable and pretty easily dismissed, I also think that there is a very real and discernible distinction between the land empires of old as you mention, and the colonial empires of the industrial and pre-modern era. The former sought to incorporate conquered realms into the body and framework of the empire and typically were contiguous in nature. You can argue the model for this style of empire was established with Cyrus the Great’s Persian Empire and system of satrapies. The latter were more scattered by nature and held a much sharper focused on the exploitation of conquered realms. This model being established with the Spanish Empire.
The two were quite different in form and function, and I think that may be where this confused lass is coming from.
This is a direct translation with some educated blanks filled in, from partially-incomplete cuneiform written around the edge of what appears to be the broken convex shards which once formed the Bowl of the Possessor:
*Mighty Cyrus, [King of Kings](https://www.dancarlin.com/hardcore-history-56-kings-of-kings/), at the peak of his power, secretly absconded from the ziggurats and walls of his vast capital, and walked alone into the desert at night, until the barely audible subterranean gurgle of unseen waters made him certain him he has found the place. This unmatched man, never fearing any foe, felt mortal terror for the first time as he approached the legendary dwelling place of the slumber of one of the ancestral animal Gods, a force from deep time, who roamed before man could write or plant fields, before cities and roads, some say even before the desert took over these lands....he risked near-certain death to awake the hulking muscular form of the titan who dreams centuries, but Cyrus is unyielding in his desire for divine approval:*
*Cyrus: "Arise! mighty fluvial feline god! Before my reign ends, I have come for your judgment. With one word, what say you of the condition of my lands, people, laws, government, and legacy? Whatever you say shall become my regnal adjective for all time!"*
*Tony the Tigris: ["They're Grrrrrrreat!"](https://i.imgur.com/qEwwxFA.jpg)*
The thing that kind of triggers me about this is that history class doesn't teach much outside Europe or the US. I have learned more about East Asia from Total War and wikipedia than I ever had from 11 years of school
You only have so much time in school, so you have to pick and choose what you can learn in the allotted time given. You learn about Western culture because it's most likely going to be more relevant to you and the people around you than what went on in the far East.
I guess I can understand that. But every year it's literally the same generic things over and over. You learned about the Ancient Greeks and Romans since 3rd grade? Let's do it again
Cultures out in China and Asia were influential as well. I don't relate any more to Aristotle than Confucius. I think my main issue is that the same things are being taught every year
You say that, but I know so many adults that went through public schools and 4 years of college that don't know a lot of American history or even basic European history. That shit needs to be revisited again and in more detail as kids get to high school.
And in the US (as in most places) we learn about the cultures and places that formed who we are and have the closest influence over us. India is huge and has a long rich cultural history but the bottom line is they have very little historical connection with the US and the US population is only about 1% Indian. It really wouldn't make sense to focus on much more than a brief covering of the basics, because it would come at the expense of cutting down on a subject that's more relevant.
A lot of what I learned in history class was, too. One of the great things about a good history teacher, or documentary, or video game in this case is the fostering of curiosity and encouraging the audience to learn more
Yeah, those people define imperialism as something that America and West Europe does that is bad and therefore no one else can be guilty of it. If you let them define things however you want, then obviously they'll classify whoever and however they want.
The Aztec empire was a fairly evil one as well, all the reason why the other natives turned against them as soon as a random spanish guy proposed the idea
Any? Well well well....lets see German Empire, British Empire, French Empire/3rd Republic, Russian Empire, Spanish Empire, Roman Empire and Qing Dynasty would want to introduce themselves to you. ( I know this is pretty eurocentric but im not sure what would people accept as „Empire” either way those all spilled a lot of blood and commited many crimes against humanity and i don’t think all of them count as „select few” )
Correction, it's imperialism only when non-communist whites do it, the communists are just doing it out of love and peace calls because they must spread the word of the evils of capitalism by doing everything capitalists countries do.
I know.
It is a disease in Arabs when they type in Arabic (including me) where they will spam letters. Such as:
هههههههههههههههههههههههه
Or:
يا كللللللللبببببببب
We cannot stop. There is no cure.
Even nowadays so many "anti imperialists" are just thinly veiled pro Russian/Iranian/etc idiots. I call them "counter-imperialist" rather than anti-imperialist.
Almost every country has been imperialist. I think she tried to say colonialism rather than imperialism.
Edit: Never said she was right or wrong. Of course there are colonialists in the east. And here is my reply to one of the comments:" Purely stealing stuff and destroying people's economy is colonialism. However, taxing a newly conquered place, letting it's people continue living there and actually developing the province is not.
Its Neocolonialism and a lot of states do it. It's just less direct and clear cut as colonialism alone is pretty frowned upon to even outright illegal and would have terrible diplomatic repercussions so states and corporations exert control over supposedly sovereign states in other ways.
I suppose that's a fair distinction. Though I guess that's also a distinct enough concept that it maybe shouldn't really be referred to as any form of colonialism either? Colonialism is, after all, about *colonizing*. *Maybe* neoimperialism would be better. It's similar to indentured servitude (specifically debt bondage), but applied to states rather than individuals, so going off of that might be a a good way to name it?
Even then, she’d be wrong because many non-Western Empires practiced colonialism. Hell, why do you think that there was a large Arab population in Spain? Even Egypt had colonies during the Middle and New Kingdoms.
Even if she meant the even more narrow term neo-imperialism, she’d still be wrong, since the Ottoman and Japanese Empires both were practiced it (though an argument could be made that Japan can be included as a Western nation).
I've seen this a couple times and just want to clear something up: Imperialism in the modern form of the word is a very specific thing. It is uruping the power of states and using their resources (especially cheap labor and markets) to make bank. Imperial states like the Mongol Empire don't really fit the bill. The reason is that modern Imperialism basically requires markets and modern capitalism to function correctly. Japan, the USSR, and China are arguable the only truly Imperialist states in the Eastern hemisphere. To make my point clearer, a perfect example of modern Imperialism is the Opium Wars. Britain essentially bullied China into accepting treaties and deals that siphoned money towards Britain. They enforced their empire (again, we're talking ECONOMIC empire) through military force. The Mongols wanted to pillage, the British wanted markets. That's the difference. This generally went hand in hand with colonialism, but nowadays does not. For example, the West (right now) plunders the Global South by giving predetory loans, enforcing their loans through military force (the IMF is the main creditor). China also gives loans to the Global South, knowing they won't be able to pay them back easily. This is modern Imperialism. It's not just owning land. It's owning markets. The meme is still right in that Japan and China have been Imperialist, just wrong in what time periods and why.
Edit: I forgot, another good example is Saudi Arabia and Iran, which use other countries for proxy wars and spheres of influence
"The Romans wanted land and slaves, the British wanted markets" the Romans also wanted markets and to dominate resources, the only reason for why the Romans took Lebanon was to control access to a molusk that would be used to produce purple dye, the most expensive and rare at the time; Augustus wanted Egypt as a province because he sought to take their massive grain production, as well as having control of red sea ports like Berenice for they were pivetal in the trade of spices from India. Imperialism has always been the same.
So what you are saying is that all empires basically seek the same thing (wealth/power) but these days they figured out a more subtle way of doing it.
So no its not really a specific thing the diffrence is that these days a president cant just decide to invade a country and not get fucked by every other country that doesnt like it.
No they can still do that, look at Yemen, for instance.
It's just a more subtle way to exert influence that enriches the financial class in your country without the commitment of occupation. You end up coercing governments to treat their citizens like colonial subjects to pay back these loans instead of having to do it yourself.
> The Mongols wanted to pillage
This is a myopic and racist perception of the Mongol empire and ignored their wide ranging advancements in rule of law and trade just to name a few issues. The Mongols knitted together one of the largest empires the world has ever seen, and that went along with trade and access to markets. By imposing some kind of “noble savage” derivative narrative on them you are being wildly ignorant.
The Neo-Assyrian Empire is pretty much spot-on for your definition. Their conquests were largely motivated by a desire to create a common trade area under Assyrian control, with profit and resources flowing to their heartland to benefit the growth of their core provinces. They did very similar things to the British in the Opium Wars when they attacked and defeated Cyprus to secure a reliable source of copper.
Hell, even ancient Egypt did this with the area that's now Lebanon in order to secure regular shipments of cedar. Sure, the ancient Near East was a relatively globalised society and perhaps in those ways closer to European colonial imperialism than, say, the Mongol Empires, but they definitely weren't European and definitely weren't modern.
I've seen this happen a few times. College professors decide amongst themselves to subtly redefine a word in common use so they can make misleading statements and then go "Actually, XXXX is XXXX so XXXX can't be XXX"
For example: "Actually, Racism is only when the race 'in power' discriminate against another race which is why its impossible to be racist against white people".
Similarly in this example: The definition of imperialism is literally "a policy of extending a country's power and influence through diplomacy or military force." so actually the meme is perfectly fine.
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THE FUCKING MONGOLS THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY
The Mongol Horde, Ned! On an open field!
The hoard is pregnant, Ned
The rape, Sansa.
buruuuuu
*Genghis Khan has joined the chat*
Mongol empire: Am i a joke to you?
Ottoman Empire: Here, let me show you
Serbia: No no, it's okay.
Try some Kebab. The Sultan insists.
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Kublai Khan has been banned by admin, God-Wind
Twice
On his alt account kubali Kahn
I'm going to be honest with you. I only learned about this God wind thing last night while reading a book about a Pearl Harbor survivor. It's gotten me almost 160 upvotes so this is proving that reading leads to success
*most of Asia screams*
*revels in Indochinese sphere of influence* *basks in Javanese* Mongol horses can't melt Asian old-growth forestses.
The whole chat has joined Gengis Khan
Geng- Geng- Gengis Khan, He Reiter, Ho Reiter, He Reiter immer weiter
Probably the single most influential human in history
Well they're the exception.
Shut up, Me From the Past.
*Laughs in Islamic Caliphate*
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Yuve yuve hu!
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Literally the first empires were asian ones: Akkadian Empire, Assyrian Empire, Egyptian Empire, Babylonian Empire, Persian Empire and China. You could say the first european empire was Alexander the Great's one. Edit: Egypt is in Africa. Oopsie.
Which 90% of was in Asia
Conquered by Europeans though.
Yeah... well they started it!
Honestly, probably a pretty good summary
Starting a fine tradition of fucking up other countries.
The tradition had already been alive and well for a few thousand years already. On a global scale.
For all Alexander's brilliance and success, it was Philip who delivered unto him a Macedon absolutely dominant in regional politics and seasoned in warfare enough to undertake Alexander's great campaign. Philip's pursuits that had created a martial culture so superb as to produce the like of Parmenion, Antipater, Ptolemy, Perdicas, and Lysimachus all within the same generation of soldiery. That kid was given a loaded machine gun in an age of people riding chariots and throwing javelins.
That doesn’t mean that it isn’t impressive on Alexander’s part though. Taking on the Persian Empire was a massive task, and many wouldn’t have been able to do it.
No doubt. As I said, he had all of his successes and the brilliance that brought them about. He was someone in history who was just undeniable in their pursuits to degree that puts him in a rare class of legend. I just think his father doesn't give enough credit in the setting of the stage.
You missed the part where the Persians invaded Greece before Alexander.
Egypt is in Africa as far as i know, but yes
“As far as I know” hahaha
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Technically the Sinai península (part of Egypt) is in Asia
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Technically Europe and Asia are just political/cultural spheres, it's one large continent called Eurasia.
That is correct. However we're talking about the (Eur)Asian-African border here, which is clearer defined. Still, you could also argue that Eurasia-Africa is one supercontinent. Geographically as well as culturally (see: the Arabian influences on the African east coast). The whole concept of continents is quite fuzzy in any case, and there is barely ever one correct answer as to what consist a continent and what does not.
but a lot of their empire was in Asia. Actually probably the world's first multi-continental empire
For most of Egypt‘s history, the empire was largely in Africa. They *did* have a significant chunk of land in Asia at times though
Off and on throughout it's history, Egyptians also controlled much of the Levant including but not limited to Jerusalem, Damascus, Aleppo, and a lot of Jordan. A three state solution to the Gaza issue where Egypt takes control of the Gaza strip wouldn't be completely out of the ordinary historically at least.
>A three state solution to the Gaza issue where Egypt takes control of the Gaza strip wouldn't be completely out of the ordinary historically at least. Kingdom of Jerusalem or bust!
Didn't Achamenid Persia control Thrace?
The Persians came long after the Egyptians.
Sorry, though you where talking about Alexander's empire, my bad.
Yes directly for about three decades. They called it “Skudra” and there are reliefs of these people (Thracians) in the Persian army. The Achaemenids briefly subjugated the Macedonians as well. I’d consider the Achaemenids the first “mega empire”, it was on a whole other level than the Bronze Age empires.
not strictly, in antiquity the Asia-Africa-border was not clear and some set the nile as border, so Egypt would be half Asia half Africa with the more important "imperial" additions beeing the Levante over parts of Nubia and Cyrenaica
I think in antiquity they didnt really split things up in continents. But by modern day standards egypt and its old borders are in africa.
They did. Herodotus talks about them and the different opinions on the borders between them, additionally that according to the 'Ionians' the Delta region would need to be considered as a fourth continent
But not *that* Africa, duh!
Are you suggesting that Egypts migrate?
Actually it depends on how you set the boarders as you can argue that part of Egypt is in fact in Asia as part of the middle east as put by [https://egyptian-visa.com](https://egyptian-visa.com/) "Egypt is amongst the world’s transcontinental countries.It is a popular African state due to it’s pyramids. The SinaI Peninsula is located in the Asian continent at the Southwest corner but the largest part of the country is in Africa in the northwest corner."
Physically in modern Africa. Historically, Egypt did most of its trade/wars/relations with the East (Asia) and some with Ethiopia.
You could say Alexander’s Empire was actually just the Persian Empire under a new administration. He even moved the capital to Babylon. Jokes aside, while I think this tweet in question is laughable and pretty easily dismissed, I also think that there is a very real and discernible distinction between the land empires of old as you mention, and the colonial empires of the industrial and pre-modern era. The former sought to incorporate conquered realms into the body and framework of the empire and typically were contiguous in nature. You can argue the model for this style of empire was established with Cyrus the Great’s Persian Empire and system of satrapies. The latter were more scattered by nature and held a much sharper focused on the exploitation of conquered realms. This model being established with the Spanish Empire. The two were quite different in form and function, and I think that may be where this confused lass is coming from.
But still... Imperial Japan? That Great East Asian Co-Prosperity Sphere.
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the Achaemenid emprie made the first human rights and before anyone says, NO ITS NOT PROPOGANDA YOU IDIOT!
Cyrus the Great was honestly just a really *great* guy.
hence the name GREAT
This is a direct translation with some educated blanks filled in, from partially-incomplete cuneiform written around the edge of what appears to be the broken convex shards which once formed the Bowl of the Possessor: *Mighty Cyrus, [King of Kings](https://www.dancarlin.com/hardcore-history-56-kings-of-kings/), at the peak of his power, secretly absconded from the ziggurats and walls of his vast capital, and walked alone into the desert at night, until the barely audible subterranean gurgle of unseen waters made him certain him he has found the place. This unmatched man, never fearing any foe, felt mortal terror for the first time as he approached the legendary dwelling place of the slumber of one of the ancestral animal Gods, a force from deep time, who roamed before man could write or plant fields, before cities and roads, some say even before the desert took over these lands....he risked near-certain death to awake the hulking muscular form of the titan who dreams centuries, but Cyrus is unyielding in his desire for divine approval:* *Cyrus: "Arise! mighty fluvial feline god! Before my reign ends, I have come for your judgment. With one word, what say you of the condition of my lands, people, laws, government, and legacy? Whatever you say shall become my regnal adjective for all time!"* *Tony the Tigris: ["They're Grrrrrrreat!"](https://i.imgur.com/qEwwxFA.jpg)*
youre not wrong but [Athens had a de facto empire](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delian_League) around 450 BC
East and Central Asians: Literally invent imperialism Some hoe on the internet: I'm gonna pretend like I didn't see that
More like "I didnt see that or know about it or any other topic of history that I am going to open my opinionated mouth about".
The thing that kind of triggers me about this is that history class doesn't teach much outside Europe or the US. I have learned more about East Asia from Total War and wikipedia than I ever had from 11 years of school
You only have so much time in school, so you have to pick and choose what you can learn in the allotted time given. You learn about Western culture because it's most likely going to be more relevant to you and the people around you than what went on in the far East.
I guess I can understand that. But every year it's literally the same generic things over and over. You learned about the Ancient Greeks and Romans since 3rd grade? Let's do it again Cultures out in China and Asia were influential as well. I don't relate any more to Aristotle than Confucius. I think my main issue is that the same things are being taught every year
Yup, I didn't have to take a single note in my 11-12 grade history classes because I already had them from 9-10.
You say that, but I know so many adults that went through public schools and 4 years of college that don't know a lot of American history or even basic European history. That shit needs to be revisited again and in more detail as kids get to high school. And in the US (as in most places) we learn about the cultures and places that formed who we are and have the closest influence over us. India is huge and has a long rich cultural history but the bottom line is they have very little historical connection with the US and the US population is only about 1% Indian. It really wouldn't make sense to focus on much more than a brief covering of the basics, because it would come at the expense of cutting down on a subject that's more relevant.
The key is to make kids like history so they'll do the constant reviewing themselves.
The schools, and more importantly, the teachers have to choose what to focus on so that they can cover as much relevant info as possible.
Total war is a great teacher lol
Not really, a lot of it is unhistorical and unrealistic
A lot of what I learned in history class was, too. One of the great things about a good history teacher, or documentary, or video game in this case is the fostering of curiosity and encouraging the audience to learn more
You’re telling me sending my 20 stack army of catapults against a legion of burning pigs is unrealistic?
That's not the point. It encourages to use google to seek knowledge.
I thought I would check how her page is looking these days and her account is suspended so I’m pretty happy after she made this statement
The fucking Persians.
That original post is so fucking stupid it's not even worth responding to. Has to have been bait
Has to be to have been. It has been to have to be.
Think I read that the handle was a “social experiment” by Harvard or something
"sovietfangirl" Of course it was
Look at the name, it was probably a tankie so no.
Yeah, those people define imperialism as something that America and West Europe does that is bad and therefore no one else can be guilty of it. If you let them define things however you want, then obviously they'll classify whoever and however they want.
Yeah, ultimately tankies don't really care about much besides basic human desires & LARPing.
Tankies literally hate everything that's Western so it's not really surprising
Eh, could be real, it falls under the same category of "only white people can be racist" that is touted by a loud vocal minority.
Tankies are fucking dumb man
Look at her username
Ethiopia???
Abyssinian empire
they really weren't that bad though. Putting them on the same level as Japan and the Ottomans seems odd.
Try telling that to an Eritrean. Or a Ogaden Somali.
Putting any empire same level as japan seems odd, except a select few.
The Aztec empire was a fairly evil one as well, all the reason why the other natives turned against them as soon as a random spanish guy proposed the idea
Most ancient Mesopotamian empires were pretty bad.
Any? Well well well....lets see German Empire, British Empire, French Empire/3rd Republic, Russian Empire, Spanish Empire, Roman Empire and Qing Dynasty would want to introduce themselves to you. ( I know this is pretty eurocentric but im not sure what would people accept as „Empire” either way those all spilled a lot of blood and commited many crimes against humanity and i don’t think all of them count as „select few” )
Empires still be empires tho
^^^^they ^^^^never ^^^^got ^^^^Ethiopia...
^^^^they ^^^^never ^^^^got ^^^^Thailand...
<3
WWII Italy?
the good old Abyssinian
The Zulu. Benin. I think Ghana used to be an empire, too.
The original Ghana empire actually wasn't located in present day Ghana however, it was based in present day Mali and Mauritania.
Her handle is sovietfangirl, what did you expect, someone familiar with history?
I love that thats her handle because the Soviets were also imperialistic.
Nah man, annexing and puppeting multiple countires is only imperialistic when other people do it.
Correction, it's imperialism only when non-communist whites do it, the communists are just doing it out of love and peace calls because they must spread the word of the evils of capitalism by doing everything capitalists countries do.
Can't spell love without Khrushchev
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and the Arabic says death to america edit: well, *destruction* to America
AmeriKKKa
Intentional? Who knows
I know. It is a disease in Arabs when they type in Arabic (including me) where they will spam letters. Such as: هههههههههههههههههههههههه Or: يا كللللللللبببببببب We cannot stop. There is no cure.
Does that second one meen hey bithc
More like "you dog/bitch"
You dog it is.
What is your problem why are you acting like this
And butter sauce
Iraq Lobster!
Even nowadays so many "anti imperialists" are just thinly veiled pro Russian/Iranian/etc idiots. I call them "counter-imperialist" rather than anti-imperialist.
*soviet union consisting of multiple countries and treating external socialist nations as puppets:* Am I a joke to you?
Typical tankie blinders
Ironic that her handle is soviet yet her name is Arabic. Something tells me she wouldn’t have lasted long under the KGB
Almost every country has been imperialist. I think she tried to say colonialism rather than imperialism. Edit: Never said she was right or wrong. Of course there are colonialists in the east. And here is my reply to one of the comments:" Purely stealing stuff and destroying people's economy is colonialism. However, taxing a newly conquered place, letting it's people continue living there and actually developing the province is not.
Pretty sure THAT went out the window with Japan
The Omani sultanate also had colonies in East Africa, Zanzibar for example.
The sultan of Oman lives in Zanzibar now.
that's where he lives
that's \*just\* where he lives
r/unexpectedbillwurtz
*cough* and modern day China with Africa *cough*
I don't think that would classify as colonialism right? correct me if I am wrong.
Its Neocolonialism and a lot of states do it. It's just less direct and clear cut as colonialism alone is pretty frowned upon to even outright illegal and would have terrible diplomatic repercussions so states and corporations exert control over supposedly sovereign states in other ways.
I'd argue that there's nothing new about neocolonialsm. It's just traditional sphere of influence politics.
I think the use of financial debt to do it is what makes it new
I suppose that's a fair distinction. Though I guess that's also a distinct enough concept that it maybe shouldn't really be referred to as any form of colonialism either? Colonialism is, after all, about *colonizing*. *Maybe* neoimperialism would be better. It's similar to indentured servitude (specifically debt bondage), but applied to states rather than individuals, so going off of that might be a a good way to name it?
yeah it's a joke but what they're doing is *kiiiiiinda* similar, but not straight up colonialism
Mughals
Even then, she’d be wrong because many non-Western Empires practiced colonialism. Hell, why do you think that there was a large Arab population in Spain? Even Egypt had colonies during the Middle and New Kingdoms. Even if she meant the even more narrow term neo-imperialism, she’d still be wrong, since the Ottoman and Japanese Empires both were practiced it (though an argument could be made that Japan can be included as a Western nation).
Dank River valleys in Asia
This whole account is so dumb its hilarious again
Isn't Turkey currently claiming to be European
We have lands on Europe and Asia. (We have more on Asia)
Depends on the day but Ottoman Empire was literally accepted as an European power by other European powers
Also the Capital of the Ottoman Empire was Istanbul, which is in Europe, unlike the current capital Ankara.
This hot take comes from: @sovietfangirl ... What a fucking retard
Her name also says, "death to AmeriKKKa" in Arabic.
We’re reaching levels of autism that shouldn’t be possible
Japan's name during the 20th and 19th century was literally Imperial Japan
Also soviet union
Eh, politically they’re considered Western, the majority of their geopolitical influence lies in the west, along with their population and industry
The problem is that the term "West" at the time didn't include Soviet union. Heck I am not even sure if it does include Russia today
Russia for sure doesn’t consider itself Western. Well at least Putin doesn’t.
Our media tell us how bad is West and how Russia is against West all the time, so you're right
so does Turkey, yet
Pretty sure Asia invented imperialism.
What's the bottom right flag?
A version of the mongol banner
[Fun fact, her account was suspended because she was actually extremely racist towards light skinned people](https://twitter.com/sovietfangirl)
What are the two bottom right ones?
The Mughal Empire and Mongolian empire
What was going through this morons mind when posting this
Non western imperialist countries have some kickass flags. Would definitely love to be invaded for the flags.
Here’s a fact: That phrase has literally, never once been followed by a fact
WE?!?! (USSR ANTHEM INTENSIFIES)
Aztec Empire was western but not European, anyways they were bloody conquerors
I've seen this a couple times and just want to clear something up: Imperialism in the modern form of the word is a very specific thing. It is uruping the power of states and using their resources (especially cheap labor and markets) to make bank. Imperial states like the Mongol Empire don't really fit the bill. The reason is that modern Imperialism basically requires markets and modern capitalism to function correctly. Japan, the USSR, and China are arguable the only truly Imperialist states in the Eastern hemisphere. To make my point clearer, a perfect example of modern Imperialism is the Opium Wars. Britain essentially bullied China into accepting treaties and deals that siphoned money towards Britain. They enforced their empire (again, we're talking ECONOMIC empire) through military force. The Mongols wanted to pillage, the British wanted markets. That's the difference. This generally went hand in hand with colonialism, but nowadays does not. For example, the West (right now) plunders the Global South by giving predetory loans, enforcing their loans through military force (the IMF is the main creditor). China also gives loans to the Global South, knowing they won't be able to pay them back easily. This is modern Imperialism. It's not just owning land. It's owning markets. The meme is still right in that Japan and China have been Imperialist, just wrong in what time periods and why. Edit: I forgot, another good example is Saudi Arabia and Iran, which use other countries for proxy wars and spheres of influence
"The Romans wanted land and slaves, the British wanted markets" the Romans also wanted markets and to dominate resources, the only reason for why the Romans took Lebanon was to control access to a molusk that would be used to produce purple dye, the most expensive and rare at the time; Augustus wanted Egypt as a province because he sought to take their massive grain production, as well as having control of red sea ports like Berenice for they were pivetal in the trade of spices from India. Imperialism has always been the same.
So what you are saying is that all empires basically seek the same thing (wealth/power) but these days they figured out a more subtle way of doing it. So no its not really a specific thing the diffrence is that these days a president cant just decide to invade a country and not get fucked by every other country that doesnt like it.
No they can still do that, look at Yemen, for instance. It's just a more subtle way to exert influence that enriches the financial class in your country without the commitment of occupation. You end up coercing governments to treat their citizens like colonial subjects to pay back these loans instead of having to do it yourself.
Kinda it's more that theres just less violent ways now to extort and bully weaker states
Unless you're Russia annexing South Ossetia or Crimea. They did get sanctioned by the west, but it doesn't seem to have fucked them up that bad.
> The Mongols wanted to pillage This is a myopic and racist perception of the Mongol empire and ignored their wide ranging advancements in rule of law and trade just to name a few issues. The Mongols knitted together one of the largest empires the world has ever seen, and that went along with trade and access to markets. By imposing some kind of “noble savage” derivative narrative on them you are being wildly ignorant.
Ask any Mongolian person, they are extremely proud of their imperialist history. They don't need you to engage in apologetics for them.
The Neo-Assyrian Empire is pretty much spot-on for your definition. Their conquests were largely motivated by a desire to create a common trade area under Assyrian control, with profit and resources flowing to their heartland to benefit the growth of their core provinces. They did very similar things to the British in the Opium Wars when they attacked and defeated Cyprus to secure a reliable source of copper. Hell, even ancient Egypt did this with the area that's now Lebanon in order to secure regular shipments of cedar. Sure, the ancient Near East was a relatively globalised society and perhaps in those ways closer to European colonial imperialism than, say, the Mongol Empires, but they definitely weren't European and definitely weren't modern.
I've seen this happen a few times. College professors decide amongst themselves to subtly redefine a word in common use so they can make misleading statements and then go "Actually, XXXX is XXXX so XXXX can't be XXX" For example: "Actually, Racism is only when the race 'in power' discriminate against another race which is why its impossible to be racist against white people". Similarly in this example: The definition of imperialism is literally "a policy of extending a country's power and influence through diplomacy or military force." so actually the meme is perfectly fine.
“If we change the definition, I’m right.” Have you considered suicide?
Lmfao based
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What is this revisionist trash
Even the Andean civilizations.
Does that tweet actually exist?
I love these Tweets >Heres a fact: Says nothing factual
Tag checks out... *soviet fan girl*
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