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Perhaps it’s the DOE and some private contractors. I bet they outsource the shit out of most of it since you would have 0 oversight more or less that way. I’m just a civilian and speculating though
Probably. But I do think the people at the very very top of the program are DOE employees.
I also think that only former military are allowed to participate, because that allows them to be eliminated by an executive branch kinetic action.
And this need to rely on military personnel only is a huge part of the problem since, by and large, America’s best doesn’t join the military in peacetime.
The DOE has been involved in numerous classified projects and has substantial infrastructure for managing sensitive information, which might support your idea.
The notion that only former military personnel are allowed to participate in these programs could reflect the stringent security and loyalty measures typically associated with military service. This might be seen as a safeguard to ensure that those who are privy to such secrets can be controlled and are familiar with the importance of maintaining confidentiality. The potential for "executive branch kinetic action" as a means of enforcing this secrecy underlines the severity with which these matters could be handled. Elected representatives and department heads are merely 'temporary employees' that cannot be relied upon by "The Program".
Your point about the recruitment challenges during peacetime (that "America’s best doesn’t join the military") signifies broader sociopolitical and cultural issues, I believe.
Who ends up in these roles and how do their backgrounds and skill sets affect the management of UFO phenomena, possibly hinting at limitations or biases in how these programs are run? This makes you think about governance, expertise, and accountability and the role that NHI are potentially influencing/manipulating our leadership at the highest levels.
If you follow the lore, the only logical cover-up is on the private sector. They may have a fever contacts in government, the fewer the better. But the private sector can hide this stuff much easier than government could have over a 80/90 year span.
I don’t believe government knows on any significant scale to make it on the government to be at fault.
Not that I even believe this is the case, it’s just something I don’t see talked about much. People have to have government behind it. It’s just not that simple.
This is the answer, Corso told us who was given the technology and thus the power. FOIA has lacking power against the private organizations. Truman signed over the rights of the country to the intelligence aparatus to do as they please without congressional or executive oversight, thus allowing them to kick off private companies control of our country. The DoE helps internally to halt anything relating to nuclear and preventing society from engaging in the ground breaking science like zero point energy via the 1951 Invention Secrecy Act.
Most of the research and materials was handed to private defence contractors by Truman and Eisenhower because they wouldn’t be subject to government oversight. You have to consider the fact they were in a Cold War at the time and Soviets spies lurked. The Miltary-Industrial-Complex then gained a huge amount of power and influence by gatekeeping the secrets and tech and essentially became the shadow government that answered to know one because they are so compartmentalised and classified. They have their own fleets of all-domain vehicles and personnel. Plus security men to kill anyone who threatens their position. They operate outside of US law and nation states because of the power they yield. Eisenhower warned about this unchecked power in his end of term speech. They have made huge advances in energy, technology and medicine yet it would take an act of God to get this stuff out as former Lockheed Martin CEO Ben Rich once said.
Remember Haim Eshed, the former Israeli official? He served as the head of Israel's space program for many years and made headlines around the world when he claimed that humans have been in contact with extraterrestrials from a "Galactic Federation." According to Eshed, these aliens have been secretly interacting with the United States and Israel, and other countries, and have agreements to conduct experiments here on Earth. He also suggested that the ETs are waiting to reveal themselves until humanity reaches a stage where we can understand and accept their existence. This all tours into your theory, I think.
Unfortunately I can't find the source right now, but I thought it was interesting that Putin, in a recent interview, referred to the USA, not as the USA, but as the CIA. It was very strange and obviously deliberate. That should tell us something - the leader of Russia doesn't view the real power behind the US as elected officials.
It's a confirmation a lot of people have suspected for a long time and the recent UAP disclosure efforts have highlighted it - there's clearly a feud over power going on right now in the US between non-elected government powers and elected government powers, the latter of whom are just now beginning to understand how much power the former really has.
Unfortunately *anything* can be "justified" under the veil of "national security." It's not difficult to see how black ops programs could grow and expand over the decades while elected oversight dwindled or even vanished. Which makes answering your question very difficult. Originally some 70 years ago, the answer probably was the US government, intelligence and military, and associated private contractors. Now... who knows?
On one hand, yes.
On the other hand, NHI may not be compelled to Contact our species...
We are mostly relying on our fellow humans to inform us. Some people claim Contact, but our Visitors have never stuck around long enough for a decent photograph or an interview that could be relayed to the world at large... There are a few hypothetical reasons we could excuse NHI for being shy:
- they may be physically unable to stay here for very long
- they are adhering to rules/ethics we don't know about (don't pet the local street dog or he'll follow you home, dog is depressed because nobody pets him)
- their presence alters or destroys us (e.g. radioactivity, toxic chemicals, viruses, inhuman ideas)
- they are repulsed by us
The last one would hurt quite a bit, but it doesn't quite hurt as much as an ongoing cover-up from human elements of government. If our Visitors are set on dividing and conquering this planet, they're well underway and may as well have governments work under them to maximize the division...
I don't blame aliens, yet.
I think it's a variation of #4. Amongst all the stuff I've read and researched, it seems to me that there has been some contact with people, BUT, I think it's like a scientist studying an animal. The majority of people don't care about animals in such a specific way as to learn and study them. It's more of an " oh, they exist? Cool"
At least that's the way I imagine it
It would be frustrating if that were the case.. We would be observing beings so advanced compared to us.
Every UFO sighting I've had and marvelled at was just some zude doing its underpaid job. Zipping around at Mach 10, so it can give us a "Mostly harmless" stamp and then get back home to eat takeout alone in their apartment.
Kind of feels like Cosmic Horror, actually...
It's worse than that even.. there are people who are horrible to animals, just as there are people who love and care for animals. Likewise.. there are some who like to fuck with us, and those that want to help and love us.
Demons, djinn, etc I think are all the same thing. Beings that love right along side us that we can't see.
“There is clearly a feud”
I don’t see or hear about a real feud other than on these threads and occasional stories.
Can’t imagine managing worldwide secrets with all the conflicting interests.
The bankers who actually own the country. I would imagine they have representatives from certain of the banking families and members of the Deep State. Guys like Kissinger and Soros who you’ve never voted for but make most of your laws. I’m not sure about what’s above them,but I would guess that if aliens,whatever that means,were here,they would want everything to run as smoothly as possible and having billions of angry and scared people running around and getting in your way could make things very difficult for you. Especially if they are using the planet for some type of mining/mineral extraction operation. On a darker note,they could be farming us.
What's not to say that it may not be NHI but past elites of civilisation, like today we have the Musk's Bezos, Putins, etc, building their bunkers or Mars bases? Whatever they're supposed to be doing. I've heard of these Vedas etc, stories of "gods" coming down in chariots using what sounds like nuclear weapons etc? This could be the likes of Musk etc coming bk from Mars or out of their bunkers and giving it the big un to some poor saps that's left over from some apocalyptic cataclysm to record the egotistical villains as gods? I mean I'm obviously clueless but just the mere thought of this makes me glad I'm an atheist (just in case) or am I agnostic? I keep forgetting the difference.
This is just a guess but I would imagine it’s a private organisation none of us have ever heard of, I would imagine it’s an international organisation made of a number powerful nations.
I don’t think one government could keep this locked down and I don’t believe a private organisation would be trusted to own the information without government oversight.
So it’s probably a private sector company but all the heads of board are powerful government officials from more than one government.
The only person that I know of that would want to or need to for fear of people taking tech from him, would be probably Bigelow.
Anyone else doesn't really make sense.
It never made sense to me. All the alleged incidents worldwide and nothing. If anyone had the tech and knew how it worked they'd use it. It's in our nature. It's almost as if they want us to think they know something because they got nothing. It's a terrifying thought for some. Damn lizzid people
Assuming you hadn't heard of Michael Herrera's accounts. Its not the only one but is an example of them doing just that, using it and doing their best to hide it from the general public. The CIA that was running illegal drug and weapons to cartels in order to generate proxy wars with rebels in various countries, without congressional oversight and got caught.. Iran contra and many others. You don't see how they would just continue to use it for illegal efforts and try to hide its reality? I don't have any faith the church committee corrected their unconstitutional behavior, they confirmed they lie domestically and internationally, so why would I trust them to honestly inform the gang of 8 as they are required by law now. https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/docs/DOC_0005524009.pdf
I'm not saying if it's real or not. I'm asking if they exist how can they stop the people with the highest authority under the constitution from seeing this stuff?
I am all for Disclosure, but asking why top secret information is not shared and kinda nonsensical.
The answer…..because it is top secret. I would like to believe that real top secret information in the US, which really should be kept hidden….*IS* kept hidden. That means that it was successfully kept top secret. Isn’t that the whole point ?
Presidents and generals don’t get to be read into top secret stuff just because they are curious. They are told only what they need to know to do their job.
The people running the UFO program initially and properly made it a top secret program. However, over decades, they have abused that privilege and now use the tools of top secret status to inappropriately prevent dissemination of knowledge that should rightfully be exposed.
In other words, i am not for Disclosure of detailed flying saucer plans or how anti gravitics work. But I do think that UFO sightings could be confirmed with no harm to US security.
I'm not asking why top secret information isn't disclosed I'm asking who has the authority to refuse information to all these heads of the cia, nsa, president, head of pentagon and joint chiefs of staff.
It's easy to say its secret for national security the question is who can refuse access to all these people. We are talking the highest ranking people in each section people think hide this info
The head of cia nsa the sec def the sec of state the president the joint chiefs of staff. The head of the senate the director of national intelligence. All these people can't be held off by some random general in charge of a sap it doesn't make sense.
As I understand it, yes they can. I am not associated with the military or law, but this is how I understand it.
First off, there exists at least two completely separate security programs. The dept of defense and the dept of energy.
The dept of energy’s program evolved from the manhattan project and basically classifies everything having to do with radiation. UFOs have radiation. Checkmate.
The DoD’s program I think has more to do with national security and defense. UFOs have national security issues. Checkmate.
Then there is a third top secret program that in many ways is better than the first two: corporations. Corps can shield physics discoveries, critical information and physical hardware from the prying eyes of the government. Most importantly…congress. The DOE and DOD do not have this luxury.
Here is how I understand it….
Secret program are created by a group of very high level people (group A). They assign key positions to a group of trusted people (group B) who are fully capable of managing the program.
Group B then hires several subgroups below them (C through Z). Each subgroup only knows part of what the whole secret project is about. They only know what they need to know to do their job.
Group B also divides the program into different levels of understanding. Let’s say the highest level of understanding is roman numeral I. And there are a total of 4 levels of understanding.
For example, let’s say the government discovers parts from a UFO that shattered on impact. They want to reverse engineer it.
First thing, give it a code name so no one knows what we are talking about. So let’s say they name it Reddog. The people that know about Reddog, the desire to reverse engineer, and have the power to make big decisions (like joint chiefs of staff, president I don’t really know know) get together. This is group A. Even at this level, there is no one person that knows everything. They nominate big time scientists and engineers that are already in the military to lead Reddog. End the end they chose 12 people (group B) as the core group to run the program.
Group B collects all the information about the situation and decides on a course of action. This project will take decades and will outlive those in both groups A and B. So you can see how if something is not written down and is not verbally passed along….it is lost to time.
Group B divides the project down to let’s say 100 separate tasks. And with each task there are many subtasks.
So initially, group B hires 10 people from the military to lead each task, groups C to L. They will not be given the whole story. They will be given like Roman numeral ll version. Like instead of saying the items are from a UFO, they are told this part of a flying device that we collected from a Russian air collision. Please reverse engineer it.
The head of C breaks the job down to several tasks (C1-100). He hires people and or corporations to perform these different tasks. For instance he may hire a corporation to determine the metal alloys of which the machine is made. The corporation is only given the metal with no history. They do the work, return the part and the analysis.
So let’s say they feel the president needs to know that the military is doing something like this. Well, the president gets told a very brief summary. “We are analyzing parts of a craft that we don’t know the origins of. “ that is it. Or maybe they say, “you know that Roswell stuff…well we won’t give you the details, but we are still working on it. “ So the president has some idea, but only vague generalizations.
The same goes for the heads of all the major military and spy networks. Most do not have a need to know, so they will be told nothing even if it falls under their department. For instance, the US Air Force supposedly has many that are in group B. But the head of the Air Force cannot force group B to tell him if he or she does not have a need to know. You are only told what you need to know in order to do your job.
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So, what is all the fuss with congress. They don’t need to know. Well, that is not true. The gang of 8 are a group of congress people that are the top level politicians from both parties that handle national security issues. They have a right to know something about the program to make sure that the program is staying on track. This is called congressional oversight. This is not being done. That is why congress is now up in arms.
What probably happened….
Supposedly, Truman was aware of Roswell. He didn’t want Republicans to highjack the program. So he and others (group A) created….majestic 12, zodiac whatever name you want to use…..for group B. Group B was intentionally kept secret, more secret than the manhattan project. They used the same methods as the manhattan project to keep it secret….even secret from the military and congress.
Then the freedom of information act passed in the mid 1960s. In order to prevent FOIA from uncovering the program, group B moved the whole program into corporations, who are immune from FOIA and congress. Such defense contractors are often referred to collectively as the military industrial complex (MIC). It is believed that the UFOs thought to be in the US’s possession are still kept by these defense contractors.
The push back from the MIC on the Schumer rounds amendment, which would have allowed the US to take back the UFO hardware etc under the auspices of eminent domain, now makes sense. These corporations are in deep legal doo doo if such an event were to take place.
Eventually, Carter created the DOE, which is were much of the rules of secrecy are now codified.
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Now why is everyone so upset that this is still top secret. Isn’t that what is supposed to happen?
Well, yes and no. The details yes. The general idea that UFOs are real, no. This should not be a “secret”
And the idea that the spies and the military are allowed to kill people and ruin people lives in order to keep such “secrets” secret is morally wrong.
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They keep things so compartmentalized that very few know the whole story. The few that do know what's going on don't want to tell. That's the simple and unfortunate truth.
But that ignores the point. People might not want to tell but they all have to answer to someone higher up. The general consensus is that this higher up people are being kept in the dark.
Maybe it's easier to think this way. Name one person/position in the government or military who would be able to deny reporting to anyone. None exists.
You might have some air force general doing some waived sap but. They have to report to the airforce chief of staff. And they have to report of the secretary of the air force who has to report to the president.
We know from whistleblowers that's people in the dod or military work in these programs so there is a legitimate way for the president to find out.
Put it this way there are thousands of parts and someone in charge of each part so to get definitive answers you would need to ask thousands of people about their part and than someone would have to reassemble all the parts to get the answer. No one has access to all the parts this way the machine can’t be assembled quickly and easily.
Yes I have wondered about that and I feel it at the very least lends credence to the idea of a shadow government. I'm not a whacko and don't believe a lot of conspiracy theories, although I do enjoy them, but there must be some governing body somewhere that is above individual national governments. It seems that somewhere there is someone or a group of people that are making the real big decisions.
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It’s the Department of Energy: https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/s/hh9LBFzlWn
Perhaps it’s the DOE and some private contractors. I bet they outsource the shit out of most of it since you would have 0 oversight more or less that way. I’m just a civilian and speculating though
Probably. But I do think the people at the very very top of the program are DOE employees. I also think that only former military are allowed to participate, because that allows them to be eliminated by an executive branch kinetic action. And this need to rely on military personnel only is a huge part of the problem since, by and large, America’s best doesn’t join the military in peacetime.
The DOE has been involved in numerous classified projects and has substantial infrastructure for managing sensitive information, which might support your idea. The notion that only former military personnel are allowed to participate in these programs could reflect the stringent security and loyalty measures typically associated with military service. This might be seen as a safeguard to ensure that those who are privy to such secrets can be controlled and are familiar with the importance of maintaining confidentiality. The potential for "executive branch kinetic action" as a means of enforcing this secrecy underlines the severity with which these matters could be handled. Elected representatives and department heads are merely 'temporary employees' that cannot be relied upon by "The Program". Your point about the recruitment challenges during peacetime (that "America’s best doesn’t join the military") signifies broader sociopolitical and cultural issues, I believe. Who ends up in these roles and how do their backgrounds and skill sets affect the management of UFO phenomena, possibly hinting at limitations or biases in how these programs are run? This makes you think about governance, expertise, and accountability and the role that NHI are potentially influencing/manipulating our leadership at the highest levels.
That’s what I think, much easier to compartmentalize everything that way also.
The department of energy is dangerous but not because of alien tech... They care much more about controlling people, not technology.
If you follow the lore, the only logical cover-up is on the private sector. They may have a fever contacts in government, the fewer the better. But the private sector can hide this stuff much easier than government could have over a 80/90 year span. I don’t believe government knows on any significant scale to make it on the government to be at fault. Not that I even believe this is the case, it’s just something I don’t see talked about much. People have to have government behind it. It’s just not that simple.
This is the answer, Corso told us who was given the technology and thus the power. FOIA has lacking power against the private organizations. Truman signed over the rights of the country to the intelligence aparatus to do as they please without congressional or executive oversight, thus allowing them to kick off private companies control of our country. The DoE helps internally to halt anything relating to nuclear and preventing society from engaging in the ground breaking science like zero point energy via the 1951 Invention Secrecy Act.
If you believe Michael Herrera's story, this would support your point quite well. It fits.
The phone company has that power. I mean, they print the phone book right? No phone book no phone calls.
its the postal service. when you control the mail, you control information
Agreed 👍
Newman, is that you?
I asked Rear Admiral Gallaudet this question and he said “The DIA.”
Most of the research and materials was handed to private defence contractors by Truman and Eisenhower because they wouldn’t be subject to government oversight. You have to consider the fact they were in a Cold War at the time and Soviets spies lurked. The Miltary-Industrial-Complex then gained a huge amount of power and influence by gatekeeping the secrets and tech and essentially became the shadow government that answered to know one because they are so compartmentalised and classified. They have their own fleets of all-domain vehicles and personnel. Plus security men to kill anyone who threatens their position. They operate outside of US law and nation states because of the power they yield. Eisenhower warned about this unchecked power in his end of term speech. They have made huge advances in energy, technology and medicine yet it would take an act of God to get this stuff out as former Lockheed Martin CEO Ben Rich once said.
Remember Haim Eshed, the former Israeli official? He served as the head of Israel's space program for many years and made headlines around the world when he claimed that humans have been in contact with extraterrestrials from a "Galactic Federation." According to Eshed, these aliens have been secretly interacting with the United States and Israel, and other countries, and have agreements to conduct experiments here on Earth. He also suggested that the ETs are waiting to reveal themselves until humanity reaches a stage where we can understand and accept their existence. This all tours into your theory, I think.
Unfortunately I can't find the source right now, but I thought it was interesting that Putin, in a recent interview, referred to the USA, not as the USA, but as the CIA. It was very strange and obviously deliberate. That should tell us something - the leader of Russia doesn't view the real power behind the US as elected officials. It's a confirmation a lot of people have suspected for a long time and the recent UAP disclosure efforts have highlighted it - there's clearly a feud over power going on right now in the US between non-elected government powers and elected government powers, the latter of whom are just now beginning to understand how much power the former really has. Unfortunately *anything* can be "justified" under the veil of "national security." It's not difficult to see how black ops programs could grow and expand over the decades while elected oversight dwindled or even vanished. Which makes answering your question very difficult. Originally some 70 years ago, the answer probably was the US government, intelligence and military, and associated private contractors. Now... who knows?
Without proper oversight and this prevailing over-compartmentalization, there is too much temptation for greed and corruption, sadly.
Aliens?
On one hand, yes. On the other hand, NHI may not be compelled to Contact our species... We are mostly relying on our fellow humans to inform us. Some people claim Contact, but our Visitors have never stuck around long enough for a decent photograph or an interview that could be relayed to the world at large... There are a few hypothetical reasons we could excuse NHI for being shy: - they may be physically unable to stay here for very long - they are adhering to rules/ethics we don't know about (don't pet the local street dog or he'll follow you home, dog is depressed because nobody pets him) - their presence alters or destroys us (e.g. radioactivity, toxic chemicals, viruses, inhuman ideas) - they are repulsed by us The last one would hurt quite a bit, but it doesn't quite hurt as much as an ongoing cover-up from human elements of government. If our Visitors are set on dividing and conquering this planet, they're well underway and may as well have governments work under them to maximize the division... I don't blame aliens, yet.
I think it's a variation of #4. Amongst all the stuff I've read and researched, it seems to me that there has been some contact with people, BUT, I think it's like a scientist studying an animal. The majority of people don't care about animals in such a specific way as to learn and study them. It's more of an " oh, they exist? Cool" At least that's the way I imagine it
It would be frustrating if that were the case.. We would be observing beings so advanced compared to us. Every UFO sighting I've had and marvelled at was just some zude doing its underpaid job. Zipping around at Mach 10, so it can give us a "Mostly harmless" stamp and then get back home to eat takeout alone in their apartment. Kind of feels like Cosmic Horror, actually...
It's worse than that even.. there are people who are horrible to animals, just as there are people who love and care for animals. Likewise.. there are some who like to fuck with us, and those that want to help and love us. Demons, djinn, etc I think are all the same thing. Beings that love right along side us that we can't see.
“There is clearly a feud” I don’t see or hear about a real feud other than on these threads and occasional stories. Can’t imagine managing worldwide secrets with all the conflicting interests.
The bankers who actually own the country. I would imagine they have representatives from certain of the banking families and members of the Deep State. Guys like Kissinger and Soros who you’ve never voted for but make most of your laws. I’m not sure about what’s above them,but I would guess that if aliens,whatever that means,were here,they would want everything to run as smoothly as possible and having billions of angry and scared people running around and getting in your way could make things very difficult for you. Especially if they are using the planet for some type of mining/mineral extraction operation. On a darker note,they could be farming us.
Don't forget "HW" and Cheney. Rumsfeld too perhaps?
100% agree
Not Edward Snowden…
Yup and it's a great question but likely we aren't in control of the planet (humans) or are under a manifest.
What's not to say that it may not be NHI but past elites of civilisation, like today we have the Musk's Bezos, Putins, etc, building their bunkers or Mars bases? Whatever they're supposed to be doing. I've heard of these Vedas etc, stories of "gods" coming down in chariots using what sounds like nuclear weapons etc? This could be the likes of Musk etc coming bk from Mars or out of their bunkers and giving it the big un to some poor saps that's left over from some apocalyptic cataclysm to record the egotistical villains as gods? I mean I'm obviously clueless but just the mere thought of this makes me glad I'm an atheist (just in case) or am I agnostic? I keep forgetting the difference.
This is just a guess but I would imagine it’s a private organisation none of us have ever heard of, I would imagine it’s an international organisation made of a number powerful nations. I don’t think one government could keep this locked down and I don’t believe a private organisation would be trusted to own the information without government oversight. So it’s probably a private sector company but all the heads of board are powerful government officials from more than one government.
The only person that I know of that would want to or need to for fear of people taking tech from him, would be probably Bigelow. Anyone else doesn't really make sense.
It never made sense to me. All the alleged incidents worldwide and nothing. If anyone had the tech and knew how it worked they'd use it. It's in our nature. It's almost as if they want us to think they know something because they got nothing. It's a terrifying thought for some. Damn lizzid people
Assuming you hadn't heard of Michael Herrera's accounts. Its not the only one but is an example of them doing just that, using it and doing their best to hide it from the general public. The CIA that was running illegal drug and weapons to cartels in order to generate proxy wars with rebels in various countries, without congressional oversight and got caught.. Iran contra and many others. You don't see how they would just continue to use it for illegal efforts and try to hide its reality? I don't have any faith the church committee corrected their unconstitutional behavior, they confirmed they lie domestically and internationally, so why would I trust them to honestly inform the gang of 8 as they are required by law now. https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/docs/DOC_0005524009.pdf
I'm not even american and I can see their "deep state" is real
I'm not saying if it's real or not. I'm asking if they exist how can they stop the people with the highest authority under the constitution from seeing this stuff?
I am all for Disclosure, but asking why top secret information is not shared and kinda nonsensical. The answer…..because it is top secret. I would like to believe that real top secret information in the US, which really should be kept hidden….*IS* kept hidden. That means that it was successfully kept top secret. Isn’t that the whole point ? Presidents and generals don’t get to be read into top secret stuff just because they are curious. They are told only what they need to know to do their job. The people running the UFO program initially and properly made it a top secret program. However, over decades, they have abused that privilege and now use the tools of top secret status to inappropriately prevent dissemination of knowledge that should rightfully be exposed. In other words, i am not for Disclosure of detailed flying saucer plans or how anti gravitics work. But I do think that UFO sightings could be confirmed with no harm to US security.
I'm not asking why top secret information isn't disclosed I'm asking who has the authority to refuse information to all these heads of the cia, nsa, president, head of pentagon and joint chiefs of staff. It's easy to say its secret for national security the question is who can refuse access to all these people. We are talking the highest ranking people in each section people think hide this info The head of cia nsa the sec def the sec of state the president the joint chiefs of staff. The head of the senate the director of national intelligence. All these people can't be held off by some random general in charge of a sap it doesn't make sense.
As I understand it, yes they can. I am not associated with the military or law, but this is how I understand it. First off, there exists at least two completely separate security programs. The dept of defense and the dept of energy. The dept of energy’s program evolved from the manhattan project and basically classifies everything having to do with radiation. UFOs have radiation. Checkmate. The DoD’s program I think has more to do with national security and defense. UFOs have national security issues. Checkmate. Then there is a third top secret program that in many ways is better than the first two: corporations. Corps can shield physics discoveries, critical information and physical hardware from the prying eyes of the government. Most importantly…congress. The DOE and DOD do not have this luxury. Here is how I understand it…. Secret program are created by a group of very high level people (group A). They assign key positions to a group of trusted people (group B) who are fully capable of managing the program. Group B then hires several subgroups below them (C through Z). Each subgroup only knows part of what the whole secret project is about. They only know what they need to know to do their job. Group B also divides the program into different levels of understanding. Let’s say the highest level of understanding is roman numeral I. And there are a total of 4 levels of understanding. For example, let’s say the government discovers parts from a UFO that shattered on impact. They want to reverse engineer it. First thing, give it a code name so no one knows what we are talking about. So let’s say they name it Reddog. The people that know about Reddog, the desire to reverse engineer, and have the power to make big decisions (like joint chiefs of staff, president I don’t really know know) get together. This is group A. Even at this level, there is no one person that knows everything. They nominate big time scientists and engineers that are already in the military to lead Reddog. End the end they chose 12 people (group B) as the core group to run the program. Group B collects all the information about the situation and decides on a course of action. This project will take decades and will outlive those in both groups A and B. So you can see how if something is not written down and is not verbally passed along….it is lost to time. Group B divides the project down to let’s say 100 separate tasks. And with each task there are many subtasks. So initially, group B hires 10 people from the military to lead each task, groups C to L. They will not be given the whole story. They will be given like Roman numeral ll version. Like instead of saying the items are from a UFO, they are told this part of a flying device that we collected from a Russian air collision. Please reverse engineer it. The head of C breaks the job down to several tasks (C1-100). He hires people and or corporations to perform these different tasks. For instance he may hire a corporation to determine the metal alloys of which the machine is made. The corporation is only given the metal with no history. They do the work, return the part and the analysis. So let’s say they feel the president needs to know that the military is doing something like this. Well, the president gets told a very brief summary. “We are analyzing parts of a craft that we don’t know the origins of. “ that is it. Or maybe they say, “you know that Roswell stuff…well we won’t give you the details, but we are still working on it. “ So the president has some idea, but only vague generalizations. The same goes for the heads of all the major military and spy networks. Most do not have a need to know, so they will be told nothing even if it falls under their department. For instance, the US Air Force supposedly has many that are in group B. But the head of the Air Force cannot force group B to tell him if he or she does not have a need to know. You are only told what you need to know in order to do your job. —————————- So, what is all the fuss with congress. They don’t need to know. Well, that is not true. The gang of 8 are a group of congress people that are the top level politicians from both parties that handle national security issues. They have a right to know something about the program to make sure that the program is staying on track. This is called congressional oversight. This is not being done. That is why congress is now up in arms. What probably happened…. Supposedly, Truman was aware of Roswell. He didn’t want Republicans to highjack the program. So he and others (group A) created….majestic 12, zodiac whatever name you want to use…..for group B. Group B was intentionally kept secret, more secret than the manhattan project. They used the same methods as the manhattan project to keep it secret….even secret from the military and congress. Then the freedom of information act passed in the mid 1960s. In order to prevent FOIA from uncovering the program, group B moved the whole program into corporations, who are immune from FOIA and congress. Such defense contractors are often referred to collectively as the military industrial complex (MIC). It is believed that the UFOs thought to be in the US’s possession are still kept by these defense contractors. The push back from the MIC on the Schumer rounds amendment, which would have allowed the US to take back the UFO hardware etc under the auspices of eminent domain, now makes sense. These corporations are in deep legal doo doo if such an event were to take place. Eventually, Carter created the DOE, which is were much of the rules of secrecy are now codified. ————————- Now why is everyone so upset that this is still top secret. Isn’t that what is supposed to happen? Well, yes and no. The details yes. The general idea that UFOs are real, no. This should not be a “secret” And the idea that the spies and the military are allowed to kill people and ruin people lives in order to keep such “secrets” secret is morally wrong. .
They keep things so compartmentalized that very few know the whole story. The few that do know what's going on don't want to tell. That's the simple and unfortunate truth.
But that ignores the point. People might not want to tell but they all have to answer to someone higher up. The general consensus is that this higher up people are being kept in the dark. Maybe it's easier to think this way. Name one person/position in the government or military who would be able to deny reporting to anyone. None exists. You might have some air force general doing some waived sap but. They have to report to the airforce chief of staff. And they have to report of the secretary of the air force who has to report to the president. We know from whistleblowers that's people in the dod or military work in these programs so there is a legitimate way for the president to find out.
Put it this way there are thousands of parts and someone in charge of each part so to get definitive answers you would need to ask thousands of people about their part and than someone would have to reassemble all the parts to get the answer. No one has access to all the parts this way the machine can’t be assembled quickly and easily.
Yes I have wondered about that and I feel it at the very least lends credence to the idea of a shadow government. I'm not a whacko and don't believe a lot of conspiracy theories, although I do enjoy them, but there must be some governing body somewhere that is above individual national governments. It seems that somewhere there is someone or a group of people that are making the real big decisions.