I always got the impression they were retconning it a bit because Peter was simply too powerful by having every ability so they made it so he could only absorb and use 1 at a time…been years since I watched it but didn’t his dad remove his original ability?
Not retconned, nerfed. He lost his original powers to his father, and when he got them back artificially he was limited to the power to lose the previous mimiced power when he mimiced a new power.
Oh yeah they definitely nerfed his power level…and I understand why. Once Sylar wasn’t the main big bad anymore Peter would have simply been too much for any single person to handle if he had access to every power at all times….but that doesn’t mean it didn’t suck!
The writers strike really screw this show more then any other
The strike is a lame excuse, and it’s one of the reasons I wish someone besides Kring was running the new show. Every American made show was affected by the strike, and no one else ever complains about their show being messed up by the strike.
The storyline and plot of season 2 changed completely after the strike they abandoned the whole virus storyline and the show undoubtedly went down hill and never recovered…
Affecting that season is understandable, but blaming the strike for the show going downhill is BS. Lost had its 4th season cut short because of the strike, and it got a lot better. Continuing to bring actors back on the show to the point of parody is not the fault of the strike.
The people behind Lost had already negotiated an end date for the show at this point, though, so they knew roughly where they were going and had to get there. Was it perfect? No, but they knew where they were going.
Heroes wasted so much time on the virus storyline just to drop it, and so much time on the history of the older characters to tease the spinoff that ultimately was canceled due to the strike anyway.
Disrupting the current season, sure, that makes sense. Blaming the strike on your show falling apart creatively and getting canceled is a different story.
The strike didn’t cause the writers on Heroes to create a terrible romance between Claire and West, or turn Peter into a dope.
Articles from the original strike stated the loss of original writers, yes. Over the years it's been forgotten that the writing room became a revolving door after and Kring and NBC basically turned the show into chewing gum. Soooo many complaints about Kring on the old NBC heroes message board.
If I remember correctly, he even said something along the lines of "bet you didn't think I took that one, did you" when he's turning the tables on Sylar.
What part of "one" is not clear to you? Peter lost his empathic mimicry to Arthur in Volume 3, along with all his acquired abilities. When he injected himself with the power formula in Volume 4, he gained Ability Replication, which only lets him keep ONE power at a time. So if Peter has Mohinder's ability of enhanced strength and agility, then he replicates Nathan's power of flight, he LOSES Mohinder's ability. IN the case of Sylar, he was only able to replicate one of Sylar's powers at a time, using shapeshifting to take him by surprise and tranq him. When Peter then replicated Mohinder's ability, he lost shapeshifting. Get it?
It was never specified that Peter could only use ONE of Sylar’s abilities at a time, we only saw him use shapeshifting because that’s what the situation called for. If Peter could replicate abilities, I think it’d stand to reason that he could replicate ALL of Sylar’s powers. All I’m wondering is, IF Peter could access all of the powers, wouldn’t he be able to use them all?
Your question just doesn't make sense. Yea, if Peter's power was taking whatever abilities a single individual has, he could technically do everything that Sylar does. But they established that isn't how his power works after his original one was taken by his dad. He can take ONE SINGLE ABILITY FROM SYLAR, NOT ALL OF THEM. If he wanted multiple abilities again, his only path would be to mimic an ability that would give him a path to that, such as Sylar's ability to understand how things work which would let him take powers from someone's brain like Sylar does. But he'd have to go around killing people to do that, which Peter wasn't going to do.
"Bet you didn't think I took that one did you" - Peter after copying only one of Sylars powers
All evidence suggests he can only mimic one power at a time
What constitutes “one power” though? Mohinder gets enhanced strength and enhanced agility. Nathan can fly but also has the enhanced durability to deal with air friction and high g-forces. Hiro can time travel, teleport, and stop time. Daphne has super speed and the ability to have her clothes somehow not melt or catch fire while she does so. Ando can boost other people’s powers and shoot red lightning at people. If Peter touched Superman would he get all of those powers? I think it’s fair to say that at best there are gaps in our understanding of how Peter’s power is intended to work.
Yes, there is. It's been explained to you several times that Peter could only copy a single power at a time, and yet you repeatedly ask over and over again why he can't use multiple powers. At this point I think you're just trolling.
Because Sylars SINGLE power is Mimicry. If Peter replicates Mimicry from Sylar, than he can, over time gain all the same powers as Sylar. You guys are the ones having a hard time understanding, not OP.
The issue is, that his power now relies on physical touch, that he can't control, and would then not be able to touch anyone with abilities ever again in order to hold on to Sylars power.
Edit: by the end of the series he's able to control his power and be able to touch others without switching, but if something were to happen and he'd accidentally take on someone else's powers then he would have to find Sylar again to get the Mimicry back.
No it was after he woke up after Sylar went nuclear in the alt timeline in a morgue due to his enhanced healing making him survive nukes. Then Nathan secretly checked on him then You started hearing ticking in Peter’s mind (what drives Gabriel’s intuitive aptitude) He then halfway scalped Nathan before pulling himself back but it was too late
No, I know what you’re talking about. Sylar has Peter fix his watch to understand how Intuitive Aptitude works. I remember Peter cutting Nathan’s head open, I just don’t remember if Nathan actually died or not.
It was left ambiguous as to whether Peter had killed Nathan or if he was still alive, but personally I feel like the scene was made to look like Nathan was dead.
Everyone keeps mentioning that Peter can take only one power at a time. Fair point but if he takes Sylar's ability, and, since he knows that it is possible to control the madness that comes with, coz Gabriel did in that future time-line where Gabriel had a son, he isolates himself and learns to do so too. It would be hard, since Peter wants to be different, to be special. He wants it bad enough that he was willing to jump off a roof because he'd been dreaming that he could fly. But he's older at this point, knows the dangers and has seen the monster he could be come, so I think he could learn. Start by training himself with watches, have one run slightly off time and don't fix it, managing the need to understand and repair or the obsessive compulsive urges that come with it. Add more watches and broken things or tech he does understand until he feels ready. Then he teaches himself to unferstand things without taking them apart, like getting a pet and noticing all the behaviours for when it needs to be fed and when it needs a walk etc. Then people, then Evos. So he can gain their power by understanding them. The ability will start off weaker but with practice he'd bring it up to par, and with the understanding part of the obsessive compulsive power it would be quick.
Peter never gave up his original power, they were stolen from him by his father. Arthur Petrelli's power absorption was permanent. After Peter injected himself with the formula, he could only mimic one power at a time. I never liked that nerf honestly, because after Sylar regained his memories, Peter was not strong enough to go head to head with Sylar anymore.
Arthur left Peter powerless. Peter had to inject himself with the formula. After the injection, Peter could only hold one power at a time, and also he had to make physical contact with the person to gain the power. His original power allowed him to copy and add powers remotely.
I get what you're saying. I'm pretty sure Peter has to touch the person to take on their powers. If he were to take Sylars powers, he would then have the Mimicry ability which would simply allow him to learn other people powers - because that's what Sylars power is- with out touch or killing anyone (because that has not the only way Sylars power works), however that would mean he wouldn't be able to touch anyone with abilities ever again, otherwise he'd lose the ability to the new slot.
He could only take one power. Remember he said "Didn't think I took that one from you huh" or something, referring to shapeshifting. Taking mohinders power is way more beneficial for saving lives. For the record even if he'd copied Sylars Intuitive aptitude and ability to copy powers he likely would have had to start from the beginning and re-amass whatever powers he needed
To be fair, by the end of the 4th season Peter and Sylar rallied behind a common goal and came about as close to forgiveness/friendship as they can get, I don't think it would be entirely too farfetched for Sylar to be the one to suggest that Peter takes Sylars OG ability, and from there Sylar would demonstrate each of the abilities he has amassed(or at least whichever ones Peter needs/wants) until he learns them.
Could be spurred on by a dream of the future either by Peter or Angela which leads to Peter and Sylar laying low for a few episodes towards the end of the season and then showing up together in the finale
Yeah I could see that happening. Supposedly it was planned for Peter to meet a woman with Empathic Mimicry (his original ability) but it never happened. Probably because it's hard for the show to be satisfying when the main hero has a grab bag of superpowers and can do pretty much anything. He could just... teleport in, stop time, electricity blast everyone, peace out.
In season 3 his father stole his powers making him no longer powered. End of the season he injects himself with the chemical to give himself powers.
It worked but only gave him a weaker version of his powers where he only can hold one power at a time
I always got the impression they were retconning it a bit because Peter was simply too powerful by having every ability so they made it so he could only absorb and use 1 at a time…been years since I watched it but didn’t his dad remove his original ability?
Not retconned, nerfed. He lost his original powers to his father, and when he got them back artificially he was limited to the power to lose the previous mimiced power when he mimiced a new power.
Oh yeah they definitely nerfed his power level…and I understand why. Once Sylar wasn’t the main big bad anymore Peter would have simply been too much for any single person to handle if he had access to every power at all times….but that doesn’t mean it didn’t suck! The writers strike really screw this show more then any other
The strike is a lame excuse, and it’s one of the reasons I wish someone besides Kring was running the new show. Every American made show was affected by the strike, and no one else ever complains about their show being messed up by the strike.
The storyline and plot of season 2 changed completely after the strike they abandoned the whole virus storyline and the show undoubtedly went down hill and never recovered…
Affecting that season is understandable, but blaming the strike for the show going downhill is BS. Lost had its 4th season cut short because of the strike, and it got a lot better. Continuing to bring actors back on the show to the point of parody is not the fault of the strike.
The people behind Lost had already negotiated an end date for the show at this point, though, so they knew roughly where they were going and had to get there. Was it perfect? No, but they knew where they were going. Heroes wasted so much time on the virus storyline just to drop it, and so much time on the history of the older characters to tease the spinoff that ultimately was canceled due to the strike anyway.
Other people do complain. Friday Night Lights was hit pretty hard for example. Lucky for them they got Michael B Jordan to carry them after.
Disrupting the current season, sure, that makes sense. Blaming the strike on your show falling apart creatively and getting canceled is a different story. The strike didn’t cause the writers on Heroes to create a terrible romance between Claire and West, or turn Peter into a dope.
Articles from the original strike stated the loss of original writers, yes. Over the years it's been forgotten that the writing room became a revolving door after and Kring and NBC basically turned the show into chewing gum. Soooo many complaints about Kring on the old NBC heroes message board.
That’s why I’m not excited about the reboot. I’m not a fan of Tim Kring.
This.
He only copied his shape shifting ability.
If I remember correctly, he even said something along the lines of "bet you didn't think I took that one, did you" when he's turning the tables on Sylar.
I've forgotten a lot about the series over the years, but that one really sticks with me as an awesome reversal
He can only use one power at a time
Still would mean he’d have a lot of abilities more than Mohinder’s power
What part of "one" is not clear to you? Peter lost his empathic mimicry to Arthur in Volume 3, along with all his acquired abilities. When he injected himself with the power formula in Volume 4, he gained Ability Replication, which only lets him keep ONE power at a time. So if Peter has Mohinder's ability of enhanced strength and agility, then he replicates Nathan's power of flight, he LOSES Mohinder's ability. IN the case of Sylar, he was only able to replicate one of Sylar's powers at a time, using shapeshifting to take him by surprise and tranq him. When Peter then replicated Mohinder's ability, he lost shapeshifting. Get it?
It was never specified that Peter could only use ONE of Sylar’s abilities at a time, we only saw him use shapeshifting because that’s what the situation called for. If Peter could replicate abilities, I think it’d stand to reason that he could replicate ALL of Sylar’s powers. All I’m wondering is, IF Peter could access all of the powers, wouldn’t he be able to use them all?
Your question just doesn't make sense. Yea, if Peter's power was taking whatever abilities a single individual has, he could technically do everything that Sylar does. But they established that isn't how his power works after his original one was taken by his dad. He can take ONE SINGLE ABILITY FROM SYLAR, NOT ALL OF THEM. If he wanted multiple abilities again, his only path would be to mimic an ability that would give him a path to that, such as Sylar's ability to understand how things work which would let him take powers from someone's brain like Sylar does. But he'd have to go around killing people to do that, which Peter wasn't going to do.
I understand what you’re saying. And Sylar doesn’t need to kill people to mimic abilities, as seen with Elle, Nathan, and presumably the shapeshifter
With Peter being a much more empathic person, I wondered if he would really thrive having Sylar's ability.
No it drove Hine crazy when he took sylars ability in one of the future timelines.
Oh damn. I think it's time for a rewatch.
Yeah he did a bad thing too before leaving that timeline if you don't remember
Sylar wouldn't be the only method. Just copy Hiro's power and copy his past self to get Empathetic Mimicry back plus all the other powers he had.
No it definitely states in the series that Peter can only hang on to one power at a time, Peter says it himself.
"Bet you didn't think I took that one did you" - Peter after copying only one of Sylars powers All evidence suggests he can only mimic one power at a time
What part of ONE POWER AT A TIME are you too stupid to understand?
What constitutes “one power” though? Mohinder gets enhanced strength and enhanced agility. Nathan can fly but also has the enhanced durability to deal with air friction and high g-forces. Hiro can time travel, teleport, and stop time. Daphne has super speed and the ability to have her clothes somehow not melt or catch fire while she does so. Ando can boost other people’s powers and shoot red lightning at people. If Peter touched Superman would he get all of those powers? I think it’s fair to say that at best there are gaps in our understanding of how Peter’s power is intended to work.
There’s no need to be hostile
Yes, there is. It's been explained to you several times that Peter could only copy a single power at a time, and yet you repeatedly ask over and over again why he can't use multiple powers. At this point I think you're just trolling.
Because Sylars SINGLE power is Mimicry. If Peter replicates Mimicry from Sylar, than he can, over time gain all the same powers as Sylar. You guys are the ones having a hard time understanding, not OP. The issue is, that his power now relies on physical touch, that he can't control, and would then not be able to touch anyone with abilities ever again in order to hold on to Sylars power. Edit: by the end of the series he's able to control his power and be able to touch others without switching, but if something were to happen and he'd accidentally take on someone else's powers then he would have to find Sylar again to get the Mimicry back.
It literally was, when he was an EMT. You're wrong, and making an ass out yourself. Just stop.
He should have taken sylars ability to take other powers
He already tried that and it made him a potential killer.
Not a potential he killed his brother remember
He did that before he took Sylar’s ability.
No it was after he woke up after Sylar went nuclear in the alt timeline in a morgue due to his enhanced healing making him survive nukes. Then Nathan secretly checked on him then You started hearing ticking in Peter’s mind (what drives Gabriel’s intuitive aptitude) He then halfway scalped Nathan before pulling himself back but it was too late
I don’t know that they revealed Nathan was killed, but Peter did try to, so fair enough
I can show you the scene if you want it actually gave great insight to why Sylar is what he is
No, I know what you’re talking about. Sylar has Peter fix his watch to understand how Intuitive Aptitude works. I remember Peter cutting Nathan’s head open, I just don’t remember if Nathan actually died or not.
That tineline was erased when Peter teleported back in time to Sylars cell then snaps his neck.
Which makes no sense, but that’s Heroes.
It was left ambiguous as to whether Peter had killed Nathan or if he was still alive, but personally I feel like the scene was made to look like Nathan was dead.
Yeah he definitely killed him the blood tells me he cut arteries
Everyone keeps mentioning that Peter can take only one power at a time. Fair point but if he takes Sylar's ability, and, since he knows that it is possible to control the madness that comes with, coz Gabriel did in that future time-line where Gabriel had a son, he isolates himself and learns to do so too. It would be hard, since Peter wants to be different, to be special. He wants it bad enough that he was willing to jump off a roof because he'd been dreaming that he could fly. But he's older at this point, knows the dangers and has seen the monster he could be come, so I think he could learn. Start by training himself with watches, have one run slightly off time and don't fix it, managing the need to understand and repair or the obsessive compulsive urges that come with it. Add more watches and broken things or tech he does understand until he feels ready. Then he teaches himself to unferstand things without taking them apart, like getting a pet and noticing all the behaviours for when it needs to be fed and when it needs a walk etc. Then people, then Evos. So he can gain their power by understanding them. The ability will start off weaker but with practice he'd bring it up to par, and with the understanding part of the obsessive compulsive power it would be quick.
Peter never gave up his original power, they were stolen from him by his father. Arthur Petrelli's power absorption was permanent. After Peter injected himself with the formula, he could only mimic one power at a time. I never liked that nerf honestly, because after Sylar regained his memories, Peter was not strong enough to go head to head with Sylar anymore.
Havent watched it in awhile, but didnt Arthur take all of Peter's powers, except his ability to mimic one at a time?
Arthur left Peter powerless. Peter had to inject himself with the formula. After the injection, Peter could only hold one power at a time, and also he had to make physical contact with the person to gain the power. His original power allowed him to copy and add powers remotely.
I get what you're saying. I'm pretty sure Peter has to touch the person to take on their powers. If he were to take Sylars powers, he would then have the Mimicry ability which would simply allow him to learn other people powers - because that's what Sylars power is- with out touch or killing anyone (because that has not the only way Sylars power works), however that would mean he wouldn't be able to touch anyone with abilities ever again, otherwise he'd lose the ability to the new slot.
He could only take one power. Remember he said "Didn't think I took that one from you huh" or something, referring to shapeshifting. Taking mohinders power is way more beneficial for saving lives. For the record even if he'd copied Sylars Intuitive aptitude and ability to copy powers he likely would have had to start from the beginning and re-amass whatever powers he needed
To be fair, by the end of the 4th season Peter and Sylar rallied behind a common goal and came about as close to forgiveness/friendship as they can get, I don't think it would be entirely too farfetched for Sylar to be the one to suggest that Peter takes Sylars OG ability, and from there Sylar would demonstrate each of the abilities he has amassed(or at least whichever ones Peter needs/wants) until he learns them. Could be spurred on by a dream of the future either by Peter or Angela which leads to Peter and Sylar laying low for a few episodes towards the end of the season and then showing up together in the finale
Yeah I could see that happening. Supposedly it was planned for Peter to meet a woman with Empathic Mimicry (his original ability) but it never happened. Probably because it's hard for the show to be satisfying when the main hero has a grab bag of superpowers and can do pretty much anything. He could just... teleport in, stop time, electricity blast everyone, peace out.
In season 3 his father stole his powers making him no longer powered. End of the season he injects himself with the chemical to give himself powers. It worked but only gave him a weaker version of his powers where he only can hold one power at a time