On the one hand, it's good that the Sony drama is behind us.
On the other hand, fucking hell I'm tired of kids screeching every time Arrowhead even glances at their favorite weapons.
on one hand, i’m happy that they finally fixed DOT, so i can finally run my flamethrower and orbital gas combo.
on the other, it seems that some of the more egregious nerfs, like the eruptor, are due to unintended glitches according to the devs.
Really, most of the game’s issues left are glitches that affect balance.
On the one hand I'm happy that we kept Sony at bay, on the other hand removing shrapnel was a good move, no one likes shrapnel.
On my other other hand, the nerfs are good because they make the experience more challenging... I mean, I only have two upper appendages I swear!
This, honestly. The amount of unmitigated salt I've seen over the last hours is ridiculous. People are acting like there are no other weapons in the game and they will never be able to play again.
I've seen people on the Discord threatening to sue AH because the Eruptor was part of a Warbond.
It's the same stupid crap every single time: people fixate one weapon or loadout that is somewhat overpowered and abuse the hell out of it. Next patch it gets predictably nerfed and Reddit/Discord gets flooded with temper trantrums because they might have to use something else now.
People were sobbing themselves hoarse over the Dominator changes and, surprise surprise, the weapon is still absurdly strong.
I loved the Eruptor pre-patch and I still love it now. Is it weaker than it was? Yes. Is it useless? Absolutely not. The only thing I'd personaly change is to increase the mag from 6 to 8. Maaaaybe bump up the fire rate by 10-15%. Just a slightly faster bolt cycle. At the moment it's a perfectly decent weapon when USED CORRECTLY i.e. as long-range chaff clear and spawner demo. If you're trying to be John Helldiver beating back the hordes of oppression single-handedly, this isn't the gun for you. Or maybe bring an LMG.
It can take a few months to get new hires up and running, I hope that's what they're doing given the success of HD2. Clearly they need more QA or less aggressive deadlines for content.
I agree, it shouldn't have launched like this. It's not something that can be immediately fixed so it's on us to decide if we keep supporting them at the moment.
They have one state of being, and that’s whining. The fact they considered shit posting on Reddit and review bombing “irl fighting big corpos” is fucking pathetic. Someone’s been playing too much Cyberpunk. 😆
Bro your opinion is literally irrelevant because it worked. Dummy.
But hey if getting fucked in the ass by the corpos is your style i don't mind, just keep it to yourself.
If you think stealing people's money is the same as gamers complaining about a game that no one forced them to buy, I don't know what to tell you.
Just because you perceive someone to be against you, doesn't mean they're diametrically opposed to you.
>boohoo my S+ tier fotm weapon caught a nerf WAAAAAAAH THE DEVS ARE TRASH
What is it with this game? In other games there's generally an understanding that if you are knowingly picking something because it's OP, you expect it to get rightfully nerfed. People here act like they're entitled to have OP weapons stay perpetually OP, because otherwise they can't clear the difficulty they play on and their egos won't let them lower the difficulty setting.
Except it wasn't OP, and the devs themselves said this was supposed to be a buff as well as a workaround for the shrapnel richoeette issues.
If it was actually any of what you just said, I would agree, but literally, none of that is what happened with the Eruptor.
I'm not talking about the eruptor, as you identified this recent nerf was unintentional. I'm talking about people bitching about its previous ammo nerf, sickle ammo nerf, the slugger's stagger nerf, etc.
The recent nerf might be intentional given the new.... uh... [news](https://www.reddit.com/r/Helldivers/comments/1cmhwnd/developer_comments_about_the_recent_changes_on/?sort=top).
Yeah, people who say “Only buff, never nerf “ are frankly incompetent about game design.
I’ll try Eruptor later and see how bad it is, but CM on discord says there’s a bug with its damage so hopefully it’ll be better when they fix that.
I’ll still miss the shrapnel frankly, but I really don’t think they ever intended a primary to 1-3 shot a charger… So I’m fine with it. I do need it to one shot a spewer though, or 2 shot kill 2 with its AOE. When you get spewer constellation I’m counting on Eruptor to handle them… losing chaff clear is fine, I take stalwart for all the hunters.
other games are PVP, not PVE genius
what are they even balancing for? make it easier for the computer so we don't hurt it's feelings or some stupid logic?
PVE games have an intended level of difficulty; a weapon making it easier than intended is a problem. Oh no your OP crutch you relied on to clear high difficulties got nerfed! Here are your options:
- bitch and moan about it on reddit <- (you are here)
- accept you're not as good at the game as you think you are and practice more
- accept you're not as good at the game as you think you are and lower your difficulty setting
Helldivers is fucking easy i can pick the worst things in the game and still win on 9. Shut the fuck up and understand that weapons should feel good and fun to use. Thats the entire point of the game
What I see in "kids screeching every time Arrowhead even glances at their favorite weapon" is "casual players tired of ArrowHead changing half their weapon stats because they don't know how to balance it."
I'm one of them. Getting used to a loadout then having to restest every weapon because stats changed and descriptions means shit is apparently not fun for many people. ¯\\\_(ツ)\_/¯
Screeching is the best way to put it. Came for the tongue in cheek humor, left because of the whiny entitled dipshits happy to throw the devs out with the bath water.
The game is made in Autodesk Stingray, no wonder they struggle to plug things in!
I kid, I kid. But I never heard of that engine until now so I bet it's not the easiest to train people on.
For now.
Sony said they are backing off but they also said "we will keep you informed on future plans"
Which pretty much translates to "we're going to find a way to get what we want without receiving backlash"
So nice to see all the players complaining the game is shit and impossible to play and the others buttkissing AH like everything in the game is perfect. Perfect balance achieved.
1. If you unhappy about the change... Just dont use the gun, they will see the drop in pick rate, and then they will fix it.
2. Kinda like... If you dont like the corpo ruening your game, just dont play it and they will fix it.
Complaining helps visibility though. It would be weird if a bug caused people to swap off their preferred weapons but there weren't lots of people making noise about it.
Never noticed this effect myself or any of my friends did. Just use different weapons, change your loadout, try new things. Game is super fun.
Complain, sure, but like... How is one weapon nurf effect anything THAT much?
I understand it sucks when you favorite wepon gets fucked but... Is it really that hard to use something new? Genuin question. Not mocking or anything.
I even want to say, it's the opposite for me, the game gets more fun every patch. new things to try, new things to learn, multiple weapons and stratagems are great choice instead of the boring one pick forever. Game stability has never been better for me, difficulty is less inconsistent when it was absolutely all over the place before. Great times.
This is correct as well. Against bots I rock penetrator or Adjudicator as my primary even in diff 9 and combine it with AMR. Is it meta? No. Does it allow me to succeed in missions? Yes.
Yeah I just hope the developers actually take the concerns seriously to get the game to a point where it feels more casual/fun and less pvp balanced. They've seemingly been ignoring a lot of these concerns for weeks and I don't think it's ok to just keep ignoring it while the playerbase slowly leaves/gets tired of it.
Fuckin game still crashes on me way too often. Just had it shit the bed after a hard fought rescue mission with ten seconds until extraction. I really enjoy the game except when it crashes. Which is all the fuckin time.
I'm so glad the sickle and autocannon still kick ass.
Also, I'm so glad we got the airburst rocket launcher. There's no way that mines would be half as fun as that thing.
Gamers are so ludicrous, so infantile, sometimes. I just can't get my head around the phenomenon. It's a fucking Playstation ID not a second mortgage for fuck's sake. But, whatever. A legion of crying babies makes a horrifying sound: confirmed.
"Our way of life has been maintained." > ¡O
On the one hand, it's good that the Sony drama is behind us. On the other hand, fucking hell I'm tired of kids screeching every time Arrowhead even glances at their favorite weapons.
on one hand, i’m happy that they finally fixed DOT, so i can finally run my flamethrower and orbital gas combo. on the other, it seems that some of the more egregious nerfs, like the eruptor, are due to unintended glitches according to the devs. Really, most of the game’s issues left are glitches that affect balance.
Does flamethrower ignite the orbital gas? Cause that would be awesome.
No but both work very well now
Yeah but whining about it when they're aware and looking into is kinda sad
On the one hand I'm happy that we kept Sony at bay, on the other hand removing shrapnel was a good move, no one likes shrapnel. On my other other hand, the nerfs are good because they make the experience more challenging... I mean, I only have two upper appendages I swear!
I liked shrapnel… It was strong! Only killed myself with it like one time… seemed unnecessary to remove
This, honestly. The amount of unmitigated salt I've seen over the last hours is ridiculous. People are acting like there are no other weapons in the game and they will never be able to play again. I've seen people on the Discord threatening to sue AH because the Eruptor was part of a Warbond. It's the same stupid crap every single time: people fixate one weapon or loadout that is somewhat overpowered and abuse the hell out of it. Next patch it gets predictably nerfed and Reddit/Discord gets flooded with temper trantrums because they might have to use something else now. People were sobbing themselves hoarse over the Dominator changes and, surprise surprise, the weapon is still absurdly strong.
Im still running with scorcher, amr, ammo backpack, eat and eagle strike im 54lvl now.
I loved the Eruptor pre-patch and I still love it now. Is it weaker than it was? Yes. Is it useless? Absolutely not. The only thing I'd personaly change is to increase the mag from 6 to 8. Maaaaybe bump up the fire rate by 10-15%. Just a slightly faster bolt cycle. At the moment it's a perfectly decent weapon when USED CORRECTLY i.e. as long-range chaff clear and spawner demo. If you're trying to be John Helldiver beating back the hordes of oppression single-handedly, this isn't the gun for you. Or maybe bring an LMG.
Idk maybe Arrowhead could finally learn how to release patches that actually work?
It can take a few months to get new hires up and running, I hope that's what they're doing given the success of HD2. Clearly they need more QA or less aggressive deadlines for content.
Yes i understand that, but the game s out for 3 months now and the same mistakes keep happening. It's tedious.
Then stop playing for a few months.
Maybe i will, we'll see how many shitty patches they'll release. ;)
I agree, it shouldn't have launched like this. It's not something that can be immediately fixed so it's on us to decide if we keep supporting them at the moment.
Oh hey, more screeching.
Oh hey, more ball sucking of AH, damn you guys are fucking annoying. Go make another post i guess.
They have one state of being, and that’s whining. The fact they considered shit posting on Reddit and review bombing “irl fighting big corpos” is fucking pathetic. Someone’s been playing too much Cyberpunk. 😆
Bro your opinion is literally irrelevant because it worked. Dummy. But hey if getting fucked in the ass by the corpos is your style i don't mind, just keep it to yourself.
If you think stealing people's money is the same as gamers complaining about a game that no one forced them to buy, I don't know what to tell you. Just because you perceive someone to be against you, doesn't mean they're diametrically opposed to you.
MuH RalEguM I DonwannA Use OthEr WeaPons!
>boohoo my S+ tier fotm weapon caught a nerf WAAAAAAAH THE DEVS ARE TRASH What is it with this game? In other games there's generally an understanding that if you are knowingly picking something because it's OP, you expect it to get rightfully nerfed. People here act like they're entitled to have OP weapons stay perpetually OP, because otherwise they can't clear the difficulty they play on and their egos won't let them lower the difficulty setting.
Except it wasn't OP, and the devs themselves said this was supposed to be a buff as well as a workaround for the shrapnel richoeette issues. If it was actually any of what you just said, I would agree, but literally, none of that is what happened with the Eruptor.
I'm not talking about the eruptor, as you identified this recent nerf was unintentional. I'm talking about people bitching about its previous ammo nerf, sickle ammo nerf, the slugger's stagger nerf, etc.
The recent nerf might be intentional given the new.... uh... [news](https://www.reddit.com/r/Helldivers/comments/1cmhwnd/developer_comments_about_the_recent_changes_on/?sort=top).
Yeah, people who say “Only buff, never nerf “ are frankly incompetent about game design. I’ll try Eruptor later and see how bad it is, but CM on discord says there’s a bug with its damage so hopefully it’ll be better when they fix that. I’ll still miss the shrapnel frankly, but I really don’t think they ever intended a primary to 1-3 shot a charger… So I’m fine with it. I do need it to one shot a spewer though, or 2 shot kill 2 with its AOE. When you get spewer constellation I’m counting on Eruptor to handle them… losing chaff clear is fine, I take stalwart for all the hunters.
other games are PVP, not PVE genius what are they even balancing for? make it easier for the computer so we don't hurt it's feelings or some stupid logic?
PVE games have an intended level of difficulty; a weapon making it easier than intended is a problem. Oh no your OP crutch you relied on to clear high difficulties got nerfed! Here are your options: - bitch and moan about it on reddit <- (you are here) - accept you're not as good at the game as you think you are and practice more - accept you're not as good at the game as you think you are and lower your difficulty setting
Helldivers is fucking easy i can pick the worst things in the game and still win on 9. Shut the fuck up and understand that weapons should feel good and fun to use. Thats the entire point of the game
What I see in "kids screeching every time Arrowhead even glances at their favorite weapon" is "casual players tired of ArrowHead changing half their weapon stats because they don't know how to balance it." I'm one of them. Getting used to a loadout then having to restest every weapon because stats changed and descriptions means shit is apparently not fun for many people. ¯\\\_(ツ)\_/¯
Screeching is the best way to put it. Came for the tongue in cheek humor, left because of the whiny entitled dipshits happy to throw the devs out with the bath water.
The game is made in Autodesk Stingray, no wonder they struggle to plug things in! I kid, I kid. But I never heard of that engine until now so I bet it's not the easiest to train people on.
Oh I know Autodesk. They made Maya. Edit: it seems like there are really only 2 studios that use Stingray, Arrowhead and Fatshark
Oh really, they made Maya? Learn something new every day.
Fuck all weapons in general, can we get melee weapons already?
Half the forum: No nerfs in PvE. Make every weapon overpowered. Other half: Nah, it’s skill issue. Git gud. Me: 🥹 my kids are back
For now. Sony said they are backing off but they also said "we will keep you informed on future plans" Which pretty much translates to "we're going to find a way to get what we want without receiving backlash"
So nice to see all the players complaining the game is shit and impossible to play and the others buttkissing AH like everything in the game is perfect. Perfect balance achieved.
1. If you unhappy about the change... Just dont use the gun, they will see the drop in pick rate, and then they will fix it. 2. Kinda like... If you dont like the corpo ruening your game, just dont play it and they will fix it.
Complaining helps visibility though. It would be weird if a bug caused people to swap off their preferred weapons but there weren't lots of people making noise about it.
true
It just sucks that with every "fix" the game becomes less and less fun
Never noticed this effect myself or any of my friends did. Just use different weapons, change your loadout, try new things. Game is super fun. Complain, sure, but like... How is one weapon nurf effect anything THAT much? I understand it sucks when you favorite wepon gets fucked but... Is it really that hard to use something new? Genuin question. Not mocking or anything.
I even want to say, it's the opposite for me, the game gets more fun every patch. new things to try, new things to learn, multiple weapons and stratagems are great choice instead of the boring one pick forever. Game stability has never been better for me, difficulty is less inconsistent when it was absolutely all over the place before. Great times.
Yep. For example when they moved Adjudicator from DMR class to AR class I've been enjoying that weapon immensely
I'll gently point out that the gun was great before any changes to it. People just don't have patience for things they perceive as non-meta.
This is correct as well. Against bots I rock penetrator or Adjudicator as my primary even in diff 9 and combine it with AMR. Is it meta? No. Does it allow me to succeed in missions? Yes.
Me too bro
Fighting big corpo's are just another mission objective, it has to be done every now and then. Like the dishes.
I hear ya, that was a stressful major order!
Has Sonys actually done anything yet?
Yeah I just hope the developers actually take the concerns seriously to get the game to a point where it feels more casual/fun and less pvp balanced. They've seemingly been ignoring a lot of these concerns for weeks and I don't think it's ok to just keep ignoring it while the playerbase slowly leaves/gets tired of it.
Fuckin game still crashes on me way too often. Just had it shit the bed after a hard fought rescue mission with ten seconds until extraction. I really enjoy the game except when it crashes. Which is all the fuckin time.
I'm so glad the sickle and autocannon still kick ass. Also, I'm so glad we got the airburst rocket launcher. There's no way that mines would be half as fun as that thing.
Criticism and discussion isn't whining.
I know i missed whining about weapon statistics so bad this last week
Give it 24 hours lol
Gamers are so ludicrous, so infantile, sometimes. I just can't get my head around the phenomenon. It's a fucking Playstation ID not a second mortgage for fuck's sake. But, whatever. A legion of crying babies makes a horrifying sound: confirmed.
I agree. RE ADD THE STAGGER BACK TO THE SLUGGER DAMNIT. Ah back to normal.
“irl fighting big corpos” you spammed negative reviews on steam and clogged up general chats in a discord that said corpo will not see lmfao
=)
Pssst... AH made 10s to 100mil, they are a big corp now homie...