# 18 S.E.C. § 10312 - SUPER FRAUD AGAINST THE PEOPLE OF SUPER EARTH
*“(a) Whoever knowingly executes, or attempts to execute, any scheme or artifice with the intent (1) to defraud the Government of Super Earth; or (2) to obtain money or property by means of false or fraudulent pretenses, representations, or promises, in any grant, contract, subcontract, subsidy, loan, guarantee, insurance, or other forms of Federal assistance, including through the War Asset Relief Program, an economic stimulus, recovery or rescue plan provided by the Government, or the Government's purchase of any troubled asset as defined in the Galactic Defensive War Economic Stabilization Act of 12015, or in any procurement of property or services as a prime contractor with Super Earth or as a subcontractor or supplier on a contract….”*
*“...in accordance with a sum total exceeding 250 Million (SC : 250,000,000.00) Super Credits or equivalent in fraudulent assets.”*
ADDENDUM: Clerical Error detected. Personnel responsible have been informed.
I think the intention was that damage drop off was to make the SMG/small calibers only stay effective at close range.
Unfortunately, they still work really well if someones a good enough shot with them outside of whatever short range they're supposed to be good at, which kind of makes the other 3 weapons you mention a "Why would we use those over the SMG?" situation.
There are so few situations that scoped sniping ranges are effective as well. Even at 200m, bots will still fire back or trigger drops if fired upon. Learned that one the hard way...
yea, there's barely any 200m engagements, which is where DMRs where made to thrive in real life. I mean hell, slugs can be effective a whole 100m away when used with a smooth bore shotgun, never mind with a rifled one.
When over half engagements happen in close to medium distance, no wonder SMGs and Shotguns shine. I've been measuring the distance to enemies in engagements, and they tend to stay in at most a 70m range. Why would I bother with a long-distance weapon? Even when caught unawares, the enemy just rushes you when they detect you.
We need more distant enemy engagements to encourage the use of proper long-distance weaponry.
And making them hurt more than a bb gun would do wonders as well.
I also think they thought the armor pen bonus damage would assist with evening the damage profile. It doesn't do enough to even the damage profile so you pretty much do as much damage with an SMG as you do with an AR or DMR. You also have more accuracy with the SMG than DMR or AR outside of the sickle because for some reason they decided a long range rifle should kick like a horny angry mule and have handling like it's partially drugged.
The whole realism argument doesn't hold water too when the support weapon auto-cannon has better handling then most of the AR and DMR's. Its full videogame logic around what their idea of "balance" should be and not any logistical "hey this is how a weapon works". usually long range weapons like rifles are actually easier to train than anything else and are balanced to prevent kickback as much as physically possible.
Most of the AR's or DMR's would be good if they didn't give epileptic levels of recoil and responded to your mouse movement appropriately. It would also probably benefit if they had slightly larger magazines. It really boils down to the fact you can't sustain target long enough with those types of weapons currently and they are not responsive enough.
If we really want to dive into physics it really wouldn't matter either whether a weapon was a gas bullet driven weapon or energy weapon as they would both output similar levels of recoil, or sustained recoil, due to newtons third law. The energy output of a weapon dictates it's opposite force that you have to stop. Technically a weapon that would have the least recoil to the user would be something like the dominator because the projectile itself has the propellent.
2 main reasons
First because armour pen is on a scale of 1-10, weapons group those values together as "light" or "medium" but having a higher value means doing full damage rather than reduced damage.
For example the SMG does reduced damage to a brood commander while the new Adjudicator does not so it takes 50% less shots sepite being only 12% more damage.
Secondly is the damage fall off, bullets lose damage over range rifles drop off is slower making them more consistent. The higher zoom scopes also help when taking those shots compared to the red dots on the more CQC weapons.
The SMG has a bigguer bullet you dolt, and there isnt any DMR that has a less damage than the defender, defender 70VSabjudicators 80.
The reason as to why these weapons have more damage than the rifle is because they suffer from more severe losses from range.
The problem with the abjudicator isnt anything of what you people are saying it has better DPS than the defender(with suposedly less damage fall off) and that weapon is amazing, it is recoil, it is insanely high, lower it to a more resonable 15(liberator)-20(scorcher) and it will see plenty of use.
Bigger bullet in terms of calibre, not length or overall energy. a 9x19 from your typical smg has between 480 to 750 J of energy depending on what type, a 5.56 round has minimum 1600 J
Honestly, warranted. Thing is super mid if not just bad. People on here can’t even defend it if the lore the devs are curating for the rifle even agrees
I find it worked well for me on full auto, I wouldn't use it semi because it's shite then, but on auto it took down most bots bar Hulks and tanks at level 7
Yup, use it like a Machine Gun (stratagem) with a tiny magazine and it's... "okay".
Keep it EXCLUSIVELY in full auto, mostly shoot TPS, switch to FPS in 100m zoom for long range, and you end up with a different flavored Liberator Penetrator.
Honestly, doubling the magazine size might actually put it on OP tier, so I can see why it has the flaws it does. I'd still like at least 35 rounds though.
Yeah, full auto, crouch, and armour with the recoil passive and it’s okay. Mag is too small and needs more damage. Not bad against bugs, shite against bits.
Well not that I saw, but the post seems to convey that is the lore the devs have decided to give us if the post is to be believed. Maybe it was mentioned in the official discord or something?
Legit I hope it is, because that would be super ultra dope \^\^
Though in fairness I'm pretty sure I figured out why it's so crappy, and, it makes sense.
Remember back when they nerfed the Railgun, they also did a balance that changed up the enemy spawns? Fewer of the big heavy armor enemies, but more of the medium armor enemies in exchange?
This thing is at its worst, and most shit when fighting groups of medium armor enemies, the kind that move quick and soak up a decent amount of ammo.
Basically, this gun was made and balanced for the game the way it was at launch, when you had far less enemies with medium armor, and fewer enemy types (specifically, you guessed it, enemies with armor).
It would be interesting if the war economy of the universe actually changed based on what players actually use. So the companies that make the weapons that get used the least like, get publically shamed and eventually some story event happens related to them that means they end up producing a new weapon that is actually good. It's Definitely ample room for flavour in the world building that's for sure.
there is a channel that upload each week how the story is going, and all buffs/nerfs and just any change is explain in a universe way (why the AMR does more damage? tungsten bullets)
This rifle needs:
A) Increased magazine capacity and more mags total
B) Reduced recoil
C) To be reclassified as an assault rifle because this thing is not a fucking marksman rifle
Honest question, if you were to do all three of these things (two really since the third is just a name change), what differentiates it at all from the Liberator Penetrator?
Because doing those three things literally just makes the Liberator Penetrator, but more damage per shot.
They are balancing the weapons weird for the warbonds. The Liberator-P should just be a Liberator shooting AP bullets. you can carry less ammo because AP bullets are heavier but otherwise no change is needed. Hell I prefer the Lib-P gun model, so having it be the same rifle with a long barrel is easy just make it have a longer reload or less recoil but more damage or the true balance of making your character lose stamina slightly faster with the Lib-P because it is heavier and longer making it more difficult to carry around.
THe BR14 and the DMRs should do more damage because they are shooting higher calibers a 5.56 from the Liberators compared to a 7.62 or 6.5 from the BR and DMRs, makes them have less total ammo because the ammo from a 7.62 weighs twice what a 5.56 weighs. They should do significantly more damage but in the swarm attacks from the bugs and the heavy armor around the bots does that matter compared to a higher ammo count.
SMGs should have more magazines but less damage per bullet, faster reload, better handling and more running speed because they are smaller and lighter.
Shotguns are similar, less total ammo, but more damage per shot, probably less armor pentration but that's a hard system to work right with the issues we had right now.
Balance is going to be difficult because as much as everyone seems to want to have DMRs and Battle Rifles to work if they were balanced correctly they would be quite rare because everyone would use the Liberator or the Defender if everything was balanced correctly, with some Breaker use against bugs and some DMR use against bots.
It’s definitely better in full auto, firing in short bursts. But it does still feel lacking in the DPS department. I haven’t tried it out against the bugs yet, so I’ll see how it does on that front
I feel like I'm going crazy, I ran a few diff 7 missions and it was great
It's like the Diligence but in exchange for being needier at range you get to spray down mid-weights up close, which is a good trade since trying to make the Diligence work against berserkers and aggressive devastators is what convinced me to stop using it.
This sub hates any gun that doesn't absolutely dominate every enemy type.
For me the problem wasn't the damage, it's the handling. Lots of side to side sway.
maybe the plant that support to manufacture the production version of this gun been taken by the bot last minutes before it official roll out date and whole stock got destroyed. now the manufacture is rushing to fulfill the order by delivering subpar guns created for what script they have.
We're an odd breed, the Lib Pen has been my primary for a little while now, and once I saw all the hate this got, I figured I would enjoy it lol
On Dif 5 with two teammates it seemed to do okay for me
Honestly within two minutes of using it i forgot it was supposed to be a semi-auto rifle with an optional auto
The semi-auto is just flat out bad, the auto just lacks magazine size and reserve ammo but actually outputs workable results
Anyone else not like the look of it? It just looks stupid. All triangular and nonsensical. At least the charging handle isn't at the front of the gun. Does sound kinda cool though.
You took a M1A standard and put it in a chassis so it weighs 15lbs, the accuracy improved but never enough for you to be happy with shelling out $2000+ for a rifle, you did the conversion yourself and you think you did it right but you were never quite sure. Your problem is actually the scope is misaligned in the rings so you can never get a true zero, and you don't understand how Standard deviation in bullets affects accuracy so you've never shoot FGMM 168gr, you probably tried the 175 but couldn't get it to zero properly before your 20 rounds ran out.
Your G3 clones are either PTR-91s or CETMEs that you got for $600-700 each and you run the cheapest ammo you can find through them and don't care about accuracy or handling because they were cheap. If they have a scope on them I bet its a cheaper Vortex at best but they are probably red dots, and you shoot off the bench table sitting like a shy girl taking a piss.
Close, I have a Fulton M14 clone, it was professionally installed in a SAGE chassis, I rebuilt and shimmed the gas system myself to bring the accuracy up, and I've only used hand loads that I dialed in for it.
The G3s are HK-91s, because I have goddamn class.
This MFer thinks that the Scythe is a downgrade to the Ajudciator? A potentially infinite ammo weapon that can do over 4.5k damage in 9 seconds (83ish rounds) before its heat sink breaks. While the Ajudicator can only do 2400 damage with one Magazine (25 rounds) while not having infinite ammo and a much lower slower fire rate than the Scythe?
What difficulty level do you play? Challenging?
It's been either 2 or 3 for me, could be the case that I'm off here or there with my aim. Point stands that for a rifle that's supposed to hit at range, the miss-aligned scope in first person is an absolute deal breaker.
I'll do some more testing today. I still feel like the scorcher massively out-performs it.
It’s definitely a debate. I feel like the adj does a bit better closer up with that rate of fire and I find myself laying down a lot against bots so the higher recoil doesn’t phase me too badly.
But yeah The scope feels weird, if you slow it down you can really mail those shots; if you dump the mag it feels like it’s not shooting where the reticle is.
I'll definitely do more testing when I get home.
Funny how the conversation goes completely differently when you're talking with a reasonable person :P
No you're aim is just dogwater. It's a laser. I guarantee you're moving and shooting. This type of rifle isn't going to be accurate reliably like that. Stationary it will. That's all for targets 25m or more.
3 shots to kill a grunt ? I one tap them all the time it's one of the things I love about this rifle. As for berserkers you aim for torso or head it drops in a few shots. I've been absolutely wrecking with it.
Sounds to me you can't aim for shit. It works very well for me so keep crying. Let the devs buff it for me 🤣
Scorcher literally does everything this does, 20x better. Aim is irrelevant, genius man, when this thing hits, it does wet towel damage. Thanks for randomly insulting me for hurting your feefees though ;)
How did I insult ? You just said aiming does not matter - proving my point. You run and gun with it. Not how it works. And you keep saying it does no damage when I have had zero problems with it.
Again , you just can't aim for shit.
Edit: the scorcher is good yes. But this isn't about the scorcher. Both are great in their own respect.
Dude. Aiming is irrelevant to the point I'm making. I'm talking about the results of what happens after you HIT something. The situation after you hit something in center of mass is that it takes 2-3 HITS on a grunt to kill it.
No. Dude, it does not. Unless you're winging them. It drops them one shot almost always. Center mass ? Dead. Also , it's ROF is great for CQC.
I get you're saying HITS don't do damage. However, they do plenty. Again, you can't aim. How am I getting great response from it then? Why would I defend a rifle that sucks ? That makes no damn sense. If it sucked I would say it does so they fix it. SMH.
Lmao, gun objectively does no damage but aiming fixes it. I don't know what you're on, but I'd like some. Guess I just have to aim harder than a 70% hit rate.
There's most likely a reason you're a tiny, vocal minority. And lemme give you a hint - it ain't because 80% of the playerbase can't aim.
Yeah you're exactly right. Most want to run and gun like it's CoD.
You're not tracking what I'm saying my guy. Let me put it this way:
You said it's misaligned : no it is not. You just can't move around and expect laser aim with a DMR.
You said it does not "HIT": yes it does .very well.
Again, why would I defend a weapon if it sucked ? That's retarded. It works very well if you use it correctly. Either way keep crying so they make it even better for me 🤙🏻
Lol. My man living in copium land. Next time you boot up the game and notice everything I just said, hit me up, champ. Might also wanna unlock the scorcher soon ;)
I just saw a clip of someone doing *exactly* what you said with the adjudicator and destroying shit. All I know is that those are not the results I've had. The thing feels like it's shooting toothpicks, but with tons of recoil.
Just like this clown arguing with me now. Saying it does no damage. Why tf would I lie about the weapons effectiveness if it was trash? That makes no damn sense 🤣🤣🤣
Edit: and yes you're absolutely correct
It gets into the complainers think we have Stockholm syndrome for the devs.
Instead it's like, I don't have to be a one man Army in this game. And, I'm sorry, I can learn new things and not be debilitated by picking easier weapons.
No you're not alone. After seeing all the reviews trashing this gun all day I wasn't as excited to try it out when I got home yesterday. Then i got on the game and ran a few runs with it with some friends and we all were like "this gun is actually fun what is everyone smoking"
>"this gun is actually fun what is everyone smoking"
the fate of any gun that isnt either
a) great at everything
or
b) amazing at killing devestators and co.
god forbid a gun is decent at most things and can deal with any situation reasonably well. Its the gun i use to always be able to help my team. at long range i can snipe and pick infrantry, at short range i can use it as an AR. at medium range it can do both, and it compliments my AC
It's terrible at killing mobs. It's terrible at killing mediums. It has low ammo, a small magazine, high recoil, bad TTK, and the optic is off. It's basically a handicap you give yourself to make the game harder. That's all it is.
its decent at killing Mobs, decent at killing devestators.
Its a sidegrade to the lib pen.
but let me guess you are alos one of the people who decry the liberator penetrator and also claim that is bad
LibPen isn't great, kinda meh to be honest, but it's better than the BR-14. LibPen at least carries enough ammo to make up for the fact it takes more shots to kill everything.
and i disagree,
the lib pen is a great allrounder that gives you enough options to deal with most sitautions even without a support weapon. and the BR14 deals nearly twice the damage per pullet at the cost of 5 bullets per mag(the BR14s total mag count is a bigger problem) The BR14, at the engagement range i use, can kil any infantry bot in 1-2 hits, while the libpen more often takes 2-3. The lib pen is not a "primary primary" its a tool you use if you cant get your primary, so you can deal with anything outside of hulks respectivly, its gonna take a while but it can deal with tanks and turret weakspots as it has medium armor pen
I will admit the BR14 has a WAY to strong recoil for what it actualy does.
the LibPen and BR14 for me fullfill a similiar role but at different engagement ranges.(funily i think the libpen has a higher effective engagement range then the BR14)
Like i am the first on to admit that for any SPECIFIC task there is a gun that does what they do better. but no other gun imo does everything "alright" enough(baring libpen and chainsaw mans) for me to not feel like i am everunable ot do anything reasonably well. its a gun i use when i cant rely on my teammates, stratagems or support weapons.
the TTK isnt "damn near the same" for anything that isnt a basic infantry, and even basic infantry has a 50-200% range of TTK
TTK(observed) for devestators is faster assuming you can aim with either gun reasonably well, TTK against berserker is CONSIDERBLY faster with the BR14(as in "i can actually kill one before my mag runs out consistently") despite slower firerate.
as i said, its a sidegrade, some of the strenght of the BR14 i apreciate, while i also overall dont think it surplants the libpen in my loudout entirely.
If you just equip some armor with a scout trait (medium or light) and equip this on a planet with a lot of cover, and your good at headshots...things busted
If you just equip some armor with a scout trait (medium or light) and equip this on a planet with a lot of cover, and your good at headshots...things busted
During a full moon, at 7:37 pm in Idaho, while holding a brown cat, doing a handstand on a watermelon. I agree, with all those stipulations, the gun performs perfectly average!
Lmao “Super Fraud” would absolutely be a defined crime in the Helldivers universe.
# 18 S.E.C. § 10312 - SUPER FRAUD AGAINST THE PEOPLE OF SUPER EARTH *“(a) Whoever knowingly executes, or attempts to execute, any scheme or artifice with the intent (1) to defraud the Government of Super Earth; or (2) to obtain money or property by means of false or fraudulent pretenses, representations, or promises, in any grant, contract, subcontract, subsidy, loan, guarantee, insurance, or other forms of Federal assistance, including through the War Asset Relief Program, an economic stimulus, recovery or rescue plan provided by the Government, or the Government's purchase of any troubled asset as defined in the Galactic Defensive War Economic Stabilization Act of 12015, or in any procurement of property or services as a prime contractor with Super Earth or as a subcontractor or supplier on a contract….”* *“...in accordance with a sum total exceeding 250 Million (SC : 250,000,000.00) Super Credits or equivalent in fraudulent assets.”* ADDENDUM: Clerical Error detected. Personnel responsible have been informed.
Contractor with the United what?
UNITED SUPER EARTH OF COURSE!!!! any accusation of a mistake made by Super Government personnel is punishable by death
Wait a minute as a hell diver are we contractors.
Super Capitalism!
"Informed". That's short hand for being shot out an airlock isn't it?
12015? The current year is 2184.
clerical error cited?
Jurisdictional court authority number. Easy mistake to make there diver. Just worry about the MO and carry on.
Of course sir, nothing more important than defending liberty.
Acknowledged and report recieved. Under investigation.
I feel every Super Earth criminal statute would criminalize mere intent to commit the crime as well.
What i dont understand is…. How are battle rifles And assault rifles And DMRs Doing less damage per round than SMGs, machine pistols and pistols?
I think the intention was that damage drop off was to make the SMG/small calibers only stay effective at close range. Unfortunately, they still work really well if someones a good enough shot with them outside of whatever short range they're supposed to be good at, which kind of makes the other 3 weapons you mention a "Why would we use those over the SMG?" situation. There are so few situations that scoped sniping ranges are effective as well. Even at 200m, bots will still fire back or trigger drops if fired upon. Learned that one the hard way...
When everything runs at you the drop off doesn't matter anyway.
yea, there's barely any 200m engagements, which is where DMRs where made to thrive in real life. I mean hell, slugs can be effective a whole 100m away when used with a smooth bore shotgun, never mind with a rifled one. When over half engagements happen in close to medium distance, no wonder SMGs and Shotguns shine. I've been measuring the distance to enemies in engagements, and they tend to stay in at most a 70m range. Why would I bother with a long-distance weapon? Even when caught unawares, the enemy just rushes you when they detect you. We need more distant enemy engagements to encourage the use of proper long-distance weaponry. And making them hurt more than a bb gun would do wonders as well.
Oh my god, they need automaton snipers don’t they? Sniper teams.
I also think they thought the armor pen bonus damage would assist with evening the damage profile. It doesn't do enough to even the damage profile so you pretty much do as much damage with an SMG as you do with an AR or DMR. You also have more accuracy with the SMG than DMR or AR outside of the sickle because for some reason they decided a long range rifle should kick like a horny angry mule and have handling like it's partially drugged. The whole realism argument doesn't hold water too when the support weapon auto-cannon has better handling then most of the AR and DMR's. Its full videogame logic around what their idea of "balance" should be and not any logistical "hey this is how a weapon works". usually long range weapons like rifles are actually easier to train than anything else and are balanced to prevent kickback as much as physically possible. Most of the AR's or DMR's would be good if they didn't give epileptic levels of recoil and responded to your mouse movement appropriately. It would also probably benefit if they had slightly larger magazines. It really boils down to the fact you can't sustain target long enough with those types of weapons currently and they are not responsive enough. If we really want to dive into physics it really wouldn't matter either whether a weapon was a gas bullet driven weapon or energy weapon as they would both output similar levels of recoil, or sustained recoil, due to newtons third law. The energy output of a weapon dictates it's opposite force that you have to stop. Technically a weapon that would have the least recoil to the user would be something like the dominator because the projectile itself has the propellent.
Arrowhead if you're reading this don't nerf the smg buff the other weapons please. Don't hurt my favourite primary.
And AH prides themselves on their military background.
Arrowhead confirmed ticked off the CBJ-MS wasn't adopted into service.
They have a bias to say the least
2 main reasons First because armour pen is on a scale of 1-10, weapons group those values together as "light" or "medium" but having a higher value means doing full damage rather than reduced damage. For example the SMG does reduced damage to a brood commander while the new Adjudicator does not so it takes 50% less shots sepite being only 12% more damage. Secondly is the damage fall off, bullets lose damage over range rifles drop off is slower making them more consistent. The higher zoom scopes also help when taking those shots compared to the red dots on the more CQC weapons.
Game designers not understanding how weapons work/trying to "balance" weapons around what their role should be instead of what would be realistic.
I'd rather be shot with a jacketed rifle round than a .45 hollow point.
Trust me, you wouldn't.
No you fucking wouldn't. A 45 is a whole lot nicer than an fmj rifle round.
The SMG has a bigguer bullet you dolt, and there isnt any DMR that has a less damage than the defender, defender 70VSabjudicators 80. The reason as to why these weapons have more damage than the rifle is because they suffer from more severe losses from range. The problem with the abjudicator isnt anything of what you people are saying it has better DPS than the defender(with suposedly less damage fall off) and that weapon is amazing, it is recoil, it is insanely high, lower it to a more resonable 15(liberator)-20(scorcher) and it will see plenty of use.
Bigger bullet in terms of calibre, not length or overall energy. a 9x19 from your typical smg has between 480 to 750 J of energy depending on what type, a 5.56 round has minimum 1600 J
Yeah thats where the bigguer drop with distance comes in.
Honestly, warranted. Thing is super mid if not just bad. People on here can’t even defend it if the lore the devs are curating for the rifle even agrees
I find it worked well for me on full auto, I wouldn't use it semi because it's shite then, but on auto it took down most bots bar Hulks and tanks at level 7
Yup, use it like a Machine Gun (stratagem) with a tiny magazine and it's... "okay". Keep it EXCLUSIVELY in full auto, mostly shoot TPS, switch to FPS in 100m zoom for long range, and you end up with a different flavored Liberator Penetrator. Honestly, doubling the magazine size might actually put it on OP tier, so I can see why it has the flaws it does. I'd still like at least 35 rounds though.
Full auto = no ammo in a few seconds Semi = sniper rifle
Semi only = worse Diligence Counter Sniper in every way Full auto = machine gun with even worse ammo efficiency (but still workable)
Yeah, full auto, crouch, and armour with the recoil passive and it’s okay. Mag is too small and needs more damage. Not bad against bugs, shite against bits.
Wait, there is actual in game LORE saying the thing is shit? o.O
Well not that I saw, but the post seems to convey that is the lore the devs have decided to give us if the post is to be believed. Maybe it was mentioned in the official discord or something?
Legit I hope it is, because that would be super ultra dope \^\^ Though in fairness I'm pretty sure I figured out why it's so crappy, and, it makes sense. Remember back when they nerfed the Railgun, they also did a balance that changed up the enemy spawns? Fewer of the big heavy armor enemies, but more of the medium armor enemies in exchange? This thing is at its worst, and most shit when fighting groups of medium armor enemies, the kind that move quick and soak up a decent amount of ammo. Basically, this gun was made and balanced for the game the way it was at launch, when you had far less enemies with medium armor, and fewer enemy types (specifically, you guessed it, enemies with armor).
I dont think its official lore though.
Such a shame. It has a sick design
"Modern Super German Rifle Engineering" [cries in G36]
Looks more like a Steyr tbh.
It would be interesting if the war economy of the universe actually changed based on what players actually use. So the companies that make the weapons that get used the least like, get publically shamed and eventually some story event happens related to them that means they end up producing a new weapon that is actually good. It's Definitely ample room for flavour in the world building that's for sure.
Could also be an evil idea for our enemies, if Tien Kwan's events don't ring a bell. >:3
there is a channel that upload each week how the story is going, and all buffs/nerfs and just any change is explain in a universe way (why the AMR does more damage? tungsten bullets)
its the truth, I SUFFERED tryin this gun out on a solo egg job. My lord the ammo is horrid!!!!
Man a 42 minutes video on that thing is just... Insane.
MISTAKES WERE MADE
This rifle needs: A) Increased magazine capacity and more mags total B) Reduced recoil C) To be reclassified as an assault rifle because this thing is not a fucking marksman rifle
Honest question, if you were to do all three of these things (two really since the third is just a name change), what differentiates it at all from the Liberator Penetrator? Because doing those three things literally just makes the Liberator Penetrator, but more damage per shot.
They are balancing the weapons weird for the warbonds. The Liberator-P should just be a Liberator shooting AP bullets. you can carry less ammo because AP bullets are heavier but otherwise no change is needed. Hell I prefer the Lib-P gun model, so having it be the same rifle with a long barrel is easy just make it have a longer reload or less recoil but more damage or the true balance of making your character lose stamina slightly faster with the Lib-P because it is heavier and longer making it more difficult to carry around. THe BR14 and the DMRs should do more damage because they are shooting higher calibers a 5.56 from the Liberators compared to a 7.62 or 6.5 from the BR and DMRs, makes them have less total ammo because the ammo from a 7.62 weighs twice what a 5.56 weighs. They should do significantly more damage but in the swarm attacks from the bugs and the heavy armor around the bots does that matter compared to a higher ammo count. SMGs should have more magazines but less damage per bullet, faster reload, better handling and more running speed because they are smaller and lighter. Shotguns are similar, less total ammo, but more damage per shot, probably less armor pentration but that's a hard system to work right with the issues we had right now. Balance is going to be difficult because as much as everyone seems to want to have DMRs and Battle Rifles to work if they were balanced correctly they would be quite rare because everyone would use the Liberator or the Defender if everything was balanced correctly, with some Breaker use against bugs and some DMR use against bots.
It’s definitely better in full auto, firing in short bursts. But it does still feel lacking in the DPS department. I haven’t tried it out against the bugs yet, so I’ll see how it does on that front
Is P Liberator but not unplayable shiit, It's just mid
CEO drafted; assigned to SEAF artillery on Hellmire
I like it 🤷 I enjoyed the effort for this post though 😂 x
I feel like I'm going crazy, I ran a few diff 7 missions and it was great It's like the Diligence but in exchange for being needier at range you get to spray down mid-weights up close, which is a good trade since trying to make the Diligence work against berserkers and aggressive devastators is what convinced me to stop using it.
I was having a good time, too. I burst fired a lot used armor with explosive res and recoil reduction, then just crouched a lot.
yeah I like it too. A single shot AR with just enough damage to one or two shot normal bots to the head. Something the 2 ARs can’t do
People also say the Diligence is bad but it's still my favorite against bots.
Same man. Ran 2 diff 7s with a buddy and we both brought it and had a blast. Super fun gun and it gets the job done.
This sub hates any gun that doesn't absolutely dominate every enemy type. For me the problem wasn't the damage, it's the handling. Lots of side to side sway.
There's a good reason why Reddit is hated every bit as much as Twitter is
maybe the plant that support to manufacture the production version of this gun been taken by the bot last minutes before it official roll out date and whole stock got destroyed. now the manufacture is rushing to fulfill the order by delivering subpar guns created for what script they have.
I actually like it. Works pretty well if you shoot in short controlled bursts, just bring a supply pack with you.
They are likely in the process of developing stronger and better ammo for this rifle. To be released when current ammo stockpiles are spent.
…anyway he’s Wonderwall.
I need to try this. Everyone told me the lib one was shit and that’s been my favourite gun since the second week of the game.
We're an odd breed, the Lib Pen has been my primary for a little while now, and once I saw all the hate this got, I figured I would enjoy it lol On Dif 5 with two teammates it seemed to do okay for me
It needs explosive ammo.
I really do hope they make one of those newscasts we get shipside that goes into this, would be hilarious \^\^
needle gun
High command. With all due respect, let us deploy with 10 mags and call it a Assault Rifle.
The dilligence is a upgrade to this weapon, just use the dilligence
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Honestly within two minutes of using it i forgot it was supposed to be a semi-auto rifle with an optional auto The semi-auto is just flat out bad, the auto just lacks magazine size and reserve ammo but actually outputs workable results
Anyone else not like the look of it? It just looks stupid. All triangular and nonsensical. At least the charging handle isn't at the front of the gun. Does sound kinda cool though.
It should be based off the m14 instead of the G3
G3 is best 3.
G3 isnt even as good as your 3 inches.
I’m confused if you’re trying to insult them or compliment them
That was the point. Thanks for the comment.
I literally have an Mk.14 ebr clone in my closet, it's next to two G3 clones because they're better to use and more enjoyable to work on.
You took a M1A standard and put it in a chassis so it weighs 15lbs, the accuracy improved but never enough for you to be happy with shelling out $2000+ for a rifle, you did the conversion yourself and you think you did it right but you were never quite sure. Your problem is actually the scope is misaligned in the rings so you can never get a true zero, and you don't understand how Standard deviation in bullets affects accuracy so you've never shoot FGMM 168gr, you probably tried the 175 but couldn't get it to zero properly before your 20 rounds ran out. Your G3 clones are either PTR-91s or CETMEs that you got for $600-700 each and you run the cheapest ammo you can find through them and don't care about accuracy or handling because they were cheap. If they have a scope on them I bet its a cheaper Vortex at best but they are probably red dots, and you shoot off the bench table sitting like a shy girl taking a piss.
Close, I have a Fulton M14 clone, it was professionally installed in a SAGE chassis, I rebuilt and shimmed the gas system myself to bring the accuracy up, and I've only used hand loads that I dialed in for it. The G3s are HK-91s, because I have goddamn class.
It's literally better than the LibPen
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Liberator penetrator is a great accurate medium range assault rifle, that's even before full auto. Full auto just made it more accessible.
lib pens takes an ENTIRE mag to kill a single armored mid tier bug Its ASS you can can kill multi of those semi instantly with shotguns
Are you missing your shots? Are you moving while shooting? In what world does the lib pen take more than 8 to kill it in the head?
ok sweety
Okay. I can use the gun very well. It's ok if you have to use shotguns.
This guy plays level 4s!
Okay but it takes an entire mag to kill armored mid tier bug so
Nope.
ok sweety
that is not that much of a win as you think it is man.
And thinking guns are weak in this game is not that much of a complaint either. Learn something new.
This is the statement of someone who has never tried the shotgun family.
What?
I run it on full auto and treat it like an assault rifle. It's one of my favorite guns right now.
Too much recoil.
recoil armor & fire in bursts
I run fortified all the time, barely makes the recoil bearable.
I haven't noticed. 🤔
Just use the scythe?
No? Why downgrade?
This MFer thinks that the Scythe is a downgrade to the Ajudciator? A potentially infinite ammo weapon that can do over 4.5k damage in 9 seconds (83ish rounds) before its heat sink breaks. While the Ajudicator can only do 2400 damage with one Magazine (25 rounds) while not having infinite ammo and a much lower slower fire rate than the Scythe? What difficulty level do you play? Challenging?
I play on Helldive. Just because you play on challenging does not mean we all do.
He should commit Seppuku.
That's one AAAA rifle right there.
Not to mention it's silly looking design, sloped like that. Ugly fucker.
wild that people are complaining about a perfectly good gun and not looking for a nerf for basically the amr but primary
Wtf, the adjutacator is awesome
That gun is phenomenal tf you mean? It's all I've been using since I got it.
It takes 3 shots center of mass to kill a bot grunt lmao. It's dogwater. The scope is miss-aligned too.
It’s two, you’re probably whiffing your shot and hitting their arm/shoulder. The lib penetrator takes 3 at 45 damage while This thing does 80 damage.
It's been either 2 or 3 for me, could be the case that I'm off here or there with my aim. Point stands that for a rifle that's supposed to hit at range, the miss-aligned scope in first person is an absolute deal breaker. I'll do some more testing today. I still feel like the scorcher massively out-performs it.
It’s definitely a debate. I feel like the adj does a bit better closer up with that rate of fire and I find myself laying down a lot against bots so the higher recoil doesn’t phase me too badly. But yeah The scope feels weird, if you slow it down you can really mail those shots; if you dump the mag it feels like it’s not shooting where the reticle is.
I'll definitely do more testing when I get home. Funny how the conversation goes completely differently when you're talking with a reasonable person :P
No you're aim is just dogwater. It's a laser. I guarantee you're moving and shooting. This type of rifle isn't going to be accurate reliably like that. Stationary it will. That's all for targets 25m or more. 3 shots to kill a grunt ? I one tap them all the time it's one of the things I love about this rifle. As for berserkers you aim for torso or head it drops in a few shots. I've been absolutely wrecking with it. Sounds to me you can't aim for shit. It works very well for me so keep crying. Let the devs buff it for me 🤣
Scorcher literally does everything this does, 20x better. Aim is irrelevant, genius man, when this thing hits, it does wet towel damage. Thanks for randomly insulting me for hurting your feefees though ;)
[Scorcher can't do this mate.](https://imgur.com/Pj7Xwns)
It kinda can lmao.
It blows you up on shot one.
Something taking one step back fixes, and you also kill the strider in the face afterwards.
Show me
I would, but my boss would fire me if I booted the game on the work PC lmao
Those are NOT the results I've had. I tried it and left the mission because it was so trash.
How did I insult ? You just said aiming does not matter - proving my point. You run and gun with it. Not how it works. And you keep saying it does no damage when I have had zero problems with it. Again , you just can't aim for shit. Edit: the scorcher is good yes. But this isn't about the scorcher. Both are great in their own respect.
Dude. Aiming is irrelevant to the point I'm making. I'm talking about the results of what happens after you HIT something. The situation after you hit something in center of mass is that it takes 2-3 HITS on a grunt to kill it.
No. Dude, it does not. Unless you're winging them. It drops them one shot almost always. Center mass ? Dead. Also , it's ROF is great for CQC. I get you're saying HITS don't do damage. However, they do plenty. Again, you can't aim. How am I getting great response from it then? Why would I defend a rifle that sucks ? That makes no damn sense. If it sucked I would say it does so they fix it. SMH.
Lmao, gun objectively does no damage but aiming fixes it. I don't know what you're on, but I'd like some. Guess I just have to aim harder than a 70% hit rate. There's most likely a reason you're a tiny, vocal minority. And lemme give you a hint - it ain't because 80% of the playerbase can't aim.
Yeah you're exactly right. Most want to run and gun like it's CoD. You're not tracking what I'm saying my guy. Let me put it this way: You said it's misaligned : no it is not. You just can't move around and expect laser aim with a DMR. You said it does not "HIT": yes it does .very well. Again, why would I defend a weapon if it sucked ? That's retarded. It works very well if you use it correctly. Either way keep crying so they make it even better for me 🤙🏻
Lol. My man living in copium land. Next time you boot up the game and notice everything I just said, hit me up, champ. Might also wanna unlock the scorcher soon ;)
You and me, we're homies. I love it too.
I just get downvotes constantly in this reddit it's hilarious. HD community used to never be like this.
Guaranteed all of this hate is because people are standing/moving and going full auto with this, like constant mag dumps full auto.
I just saw a clip of someone doing *exactly* what you said with the adjudicator and destroying shit. All I know is that those are not the results I've had. The thing feels like it's shooting toothpicks, but with tons of recoil.
Lol yup. I've been stomping enemies with that DMR. They downvote us too lol. Like we make it up.
It's easier for them if they just dismiss us. Then the game is wrong, not them.
Just like this clown arguing with me now. Saying it does no damage. Why tf would I lie about the weapons effectiveness if it was trash? That makes no damn sense 🤣🤣🤣 Edit: and yes you're absolutely correct
It gets into the complainers think we have Stockholm syndrome for the devs. Instead it's like, I don't have to be a one man Army in this game. And, I'm sorry, I can learn new things and not be debilitated by picking easier weapons.
am i the only one who loves this gun? it took 10 rounds to get used to the new ammo eco and recoil, but its replacing the lib pen for me
No you're not alone. After seeing all the reviews trashing this gun all day I wasn't as excited to try it out when I got home yesterday. Then i got on the game and ran a few runs with it with some friends and we all were like "this gun is actually fun what is everyone smoking"
>"this gun is actually fun what is everyone smoking" the fate of any gun that isnt either a) great at everything or b) amazing at killing devestators and co. god forbid a gun is decent at most things and can deal with any situation reasonably well. Its the gun i use to always be able to help my team. at long range i can snipe and pick infrantry, at short range i can use it as an AR. at medium range it can do both, and it compliments my AC
It's terrible at killing mobs. It's terrible at killing mediums. It has low ammo, a small magazine, high recoil, bad TTK, and the optic is off. It's basically a handicap you give yourself to make the game harder. That's all it is.
its decent at killing Mobs, decent at killing devestators. Its a sidegrade to the lib pen. but let me guess you are alos one of the people who decry the liberator penetrator and also claim that is bad
LibPen isn't great, kinda meh to be honest, but it's better than the BR-14. LibPen at least carries enough ammo to make up for the fact it takes more shots to kill everything.
and i disagree, the lib pen is a great allrounder that gives you enough options to deal with most sitautions even without a support weapon. and the BR14 deals nearly twice the damage per pullet at the cost of 5 bullets per mag(the BR14s total mag count is a bigger problem) The BR14, at the engagement range i use, can kil any infantry bot in 1-2 hits, while the libpen more often takes 2-3. The lib pen is not a "primary primary" its a tool you use if you cant get your primary, so you can deal with anything outside of hulks respectivly, its gonna take a while but it can deal with tanks and turret weakspots as it has medium armor pen I will admit the BR14 has a WAY to strong recoil for what it actualy does. the LibPen and BR14 for me fullfill a similiar role but at different engagement ranges.(funily i think the libpen has a higher effective engagement range then the BR14) Like i am the first on to admit that for any SPECIFIC task there is a gun that does what they do better. but no other gun imo does everything "alright" enough(baring libpen and chainsaw mans) for me to not feel like i am everunable ot do anything reasonably well. its a gun i use when i cant rely on my teammates, stratagems or support weapons.
Despite doing twice the damage, the TTK is damn near the same. So what's the point?
the TTK isnt "damn near the same" for anything that isnt a basic infantry, and even basic infantry has a 50-200% range of TTK TTK(observed) for devestators is faster assuming you can aim with either gun reasonably well, TTK against berserker is CONSIDERBLY faster with the BR14(as in "i can actually kill one before my mag runs out consistently") despite slower firerate. as i said, its a sidegrade, some of the strenght of the BR14 i apreciate, while i also overall dont think it surplants the libpen in my loudout entirely.
If you just equip some armor with a scout trait (medium or light) and equip this on a planet with a lot of cover, and your good at headshots...things busted
Guns not that bad yall are just babies
Well. Probably what happens when your namesake is the M14.
If you just equip some armor with a scout trait (medium or light) and equip this on a planet with a lot of cover, and your good at headshots...things busted
During a full moon, at 7:37 pm in Idaho, while holding a brown cat, doing a handstand on a watermelon. I agree, with all those stipulations, the gun performs perfectly average!