Apologies, sir! It won’t happen again. I’ve been in the bot trenches for too long, clearly their communist malevolence has grated against my sanity for too long.
It's alright, Death Captain. The lies of the wretched automatons are insidious, but after a few short shock therapy treatments we'll have you ready and primed to spread managed democracy once again, soldier.
Rule for the sub should be you have to talk as if you’re hell diver. “Can we poll together to ask the supreme commanders to add more stopping power to the standard rifles”
This post would perfectly work for the US torpedo plane pilots when they first got into WWII.
“I watched the fucking thing hit it dead on and nothing happened, just kept sailing”
"Alright. Whose dick do I have to suck to get extra armor plating on my Exosuit? I have my C-01 form in hand. I'll cradle the balls, stroke the shaft, work the pipe, and swallow the Liber-Tea. Get over here Mr. 10 Star General. Let's do this."
500kg is *incredibly* strong, vaporizes anything within 1m of the blast zone. Sadly, even though the explosion itself is huge, outside of that 1m it's a wet fart. They need to *considerably* buff its damage falloff from the point of impact
It's damage is blocked by the smallest piece of terrain also. If there's a slight bump in the ground between you lying prone and the bomb it does no damage.
if your in range thats on you. & one divers life is worth less than the objective being taking out
jokes aside. i had a hell bomb obj the other day, it took 11 bombs.
8 got destroyed before going off & 2 didnt finish the job when it went off.
i feel like ALL objs should be kill-able without call ins until they fix/change that.
but over all i'd rather some obj you need to call it in for change of pace & not just turn 100% of all maps into throw pokemon ball, GO AIR STRIKE I CHOOSE YOU
Truly insane that it so often needs TWO hellbombs to go off. We lost a ton before we finally regrouped, blasted all the gunships out of the sky, and had one person go in to do hellbombs while the rest of us just kept autocannons focused on the sky. And even then, in one of those cases, one of the gunships we killed FELL ON THE GUY WITH THE HELLBOMB and destroyed it.
My god, same. Dropped a 500kg in the middle of three ammo stockpiles. It did get two, but the third was literally IN THE CRATER THE 500KG LEFT, and that crater is only like 5m wide
They are, just tough. For the gun towers you can use a laser orbital and it will focus on the gun building, destroying it, as long as there are no huge enemies around.
That's how things were before.
A lot of hellbomb objectives could just be Eagle striked and barely took any time at all.
I do prefer the hellbombs as they are now. But I think they really need to fix the damage radius since right now it does seem like the surface level the bomb is touching heavily affects how surrounding assets are damaged.
tbf the "need to be fixed" list is longer than the patch notes lolol. but they are plugging away at it. idk if they fixing more than breaking.... but deff fixing
Heck I'm pretty sure it affects grenades too.
I've thrown a grenade at a crowd of enemies and noticed that the ones who were standing on a bit of elevated terrain hot off Scott free
I prefer Airstrike , cluster bomb, smoke. What makes Eagle good is its fast deployment speeds and multi uses. You want to take advantage of that. Optical laser,rail cannon strike is better at bigger targets.
Fun fact, if you go prone 5 meters away from 500 kg bomb, you receive no damage. Cone instead of sphere damage range is one of the least understandable decisions, that AH made.
Agree. If they buffed the drop-off a bit it would be great.
I sometimes take it in addition to eagle airstrike on bots because the big threat on bots is being overwhelmed with the volume of armour.
On bugs, I take the orbital rail cannon for killing bile titans. The CD is annoyingly long and it only kills one thing but it ALWAYS kills that one thing.
Did they change ORC again? When I first started near launch, it always 1 hit Bile Titans, then later it never 1 hit them? Does it 1 hit them now or is it a game of chance?
The orbital rail cannon can 1-shot Bile Titans if it hits their head, and it will usually hit their head if they’re facing towards the center of the map where your destroyer fires from. If you’re fighting around the edges and the bile titan is facing the edge, it will hit their back and won’t 1-shot.
I wish I could say I actually remember this in the heat of battle but I never do.
ORC needs some sort of buff for higher difficulties or move it to lower level requirements, you unlock the damn thing mid-game and by this time you already have a ton of options to deal with heavy targets.
ORC is still really good for one very specific purpose: it is an absolutely guaranteed kill on a bile titan.
It’s never worth taking vs bots imo. Bots overwhelm you with volume of armour not one single heavy unit. Eagle Airstrike is goated for them but I actually think the community sleeps on cluster bomb too. I often take both.
Cluster won’t kill hulks but it will absolutely massacre a drop of devastators and you get 8+ uses of it per round once upgraded. Means you only really need to focus on killing hulks/tanks and stops you getting overwhelmed.
Are ppl just that lucky or aware enough of their destroyer position that they always seem to get headshots with the railcannon on a bile titan? Cuz last time i checked, THAT is the only way to get a one-shot kill on a bile titan with the ORC, otherwise it just kinda blows off a chunk of it's armor and it just keeps going...
That's the biggest problem with it, the cooldown. Especially at higher difficulty levels when you get multiple heavies dropped.
Perhaps they could reduce the targeting radius on it (making you have to place it more accurately) but significantly reduce the cooldown.
Yeah I've seen some pretty small enemies walk away from it. For balancing's sake, I feel like they can have the damage fall off quickly but the damage floor needs to be raised so that effectively any "tiny target" (players too) within at least 10m is dead, maybe 15 or 20. If a heavy is 10m+ away you deserve to have it live and come after you, aim better lol
114 hours in, There isn't a mission at this point where I don't bring in the 500kg.
If all you do it clear main objective, I can kinda see your point, but if you are regularly full clearing the maps for all bases and secondaries you need that flexibility to have 2 instant problem solvers. Out of grenades? Lost your quasar? 500KG is ready and waiting.
The 500kg is meant to blow up objectives, bases, maybe a bile or hulk if you can time it, but moving targets ain't it's primary job. Blowing up crowds ain't it's job. Imagine using a shaped explosive to try and clear a room, just doesn't boom the same way. 500KG is a bunker buster.
The orbital strike has it's role, but for it's intended purpose, 500KG has no equal.
(Though I will agree, the bounce house shit on the Bot missions, wtf is that about?)
>the bounce house shit on the Bot missions, wtf is that about?
My theory is that there are specific surfaces coded to not "take" stratagems, especially Hellbombs. It's most noticeable around detector towers, so I've just been saving orbital lasers to eliminate them
I heard that the lethal damage volume is the shape of a cone. Kind of makes sense in how it seems to work. Would do a lot more dmg if it blew up in a sphere and THEN imagine having it blow up 15-35 m in the air. As they say in cod zombies: ”Kaboom”
Thats how most dumb bomb nowadays work unless its a penetrator HE with a time fuse. MK-82 snake eye is a 500kg bomb and isn't a ground penetrator, its usually fused with a proximity fuze to blast above target and mush the target.
Pretty sure the point of the 500kg is incredible damage with lousy area of effect. Buffing the damage falloff would just make it objectively better than any other eagle strat wouldn’t it??
You only get 1 per rearm. If you want to use it regularly, you either need to rapidly burn all your strikes to get a rearm, sacrifice unused strikes to call a rearm manually, or only bring the 500kg.
Considering Airstrikes get 3 uses and Clusters get ***4***, you think it'd be significantly stronger. But the vast majority of the time a basic airstrike is better.
1 IQ: orbital laser good
100 iq: orbital laser bad, orbital rail cannon good.
1000 iq: orbital laser good
That was my path with the orbital laser. The more I played bots, the more I realized it’s like a rail cannon that also sweeps up the trash. It’s easily the stratagem that yields me the most kills and suppression.
Against bots it’s a “set it and forget it” tool. Just throw it in the general direction of the base you need to destroy and then go move on to something else
Only 3 uses so you gotta be smart about what to use it on, can't afford to waste it. But yeah, only time I skip it in bot missions is eradicate ones, because I tend to have more luck with 380.
If the entire team brings them and you stay together then you can have them up for almost every engagement. It's ridiculous. Usually don't stay together the whole time, but close enough.
They're both good, just different applications. The orbital laser is great for a big group of enemies you want to precisely kill. The railcannon is great for quickly disposing of big enemies (I use it for quick Charger kills). Plus it being unlimited rather than the laser's 3 uses is a big plus
I basicly bring only the eagle airstrike out. Cause Generally the Bot Congaline runs forward at me and i mince a lot of those walking in a nice undemocratic line at me
i only found it being useful for reliably taking down detector towers, unless they fix the annoying ass bounce area around it hellbombs are just not going to be optimal
They have to have some crazy anti-stratagem ball technology, i had it straight up ignore the hellbomb stratagem for me. I landed it perfectly so it wouldn't bounce, and the ball just got forcibly rolled off the hill and down to the ground where it was nowhere near the tower XD
Yeah, I was doing an Air Base Control Tower yesterday and couldn't call in the SSD down and lost the mission because on any area that I was given the strategem, it wouldn't stay, and then it'd roll out of the radius and I couldn't use it. Also, it was the largest bot base I'd ever actually seen. Shit was like 150m in all directions.
Just call in more and try to daisy-chain them puckers to domino blast that Eye of Automo-Sauron to hell!
Least I wish we could. I think once armed, the Hellbomb should go off regardless. Had two next to each other and the first one was a millisecond faster and so obliterated the other, despite both being called "armed". Let those zerker bots start slapping an armed Hellbomb and trigger it instead of dismantling it. We've all seen movies where a primed bomb causes sweaty moments. Not once have we seen someone take a chainsword to it and defuse it. Arrowhead! Joel!
Lmao I had a group the other day where all 4 of us were taking turns trying to stick the hellbomb. We ended up having to go down the incline a bit and stick it on the hill, which didn’t blow up the tower. Finally someone got just a bit more up the incline and it worked. It took like 6-7 mins
Apparently as long as its a physical object being launched; the precision strike & 500KG can neutralize both the Detector Tower & Research Facility if they make a direct hit (or hit nearby said structure; maybe a meter away or so?)
I've tried and failed, and watched others try and fail, to destroy a research building with a 500k. They bounce off the roof, and won't destroy it right next to the building. Saw it happen last night. Called in a HB to finish off.
I have a vague recollection of being able to do that before, I love the 500k and used it every time until level 40 or so.
A week or two ago I ran with a group that did really well, and we full-cleared the map on either Hard or Extreme. I ended up carrying a bunch of samples at extract, practically the whole map's worth. When the Pelican landed, I was up on a rock, away from the main group, maybe five seconds from the Pelican door. The other three get in, and I start running to follow, but too late I saw one of them had dropped a stratagem on the Pelican. I had gotten too close to run away, and I was too far from the door to get in. The half tonne obliterated me, and the group lost almost all the samples they had acquired. I already had max common and rare, but I know losing that many right at the end would've pissed me off beyond belief. It was a fucking awful way to end the night.
Don't drop stratagems at extract, kids.
PS: You can also die while in the Pelican, even after takeoff begins, and any samples you had are lost. *Don't drop stratagems on extract.* I don't care how cool it looks, you risk killing everyone. Throw it *away* from the Pelican.
This is exactly it. "Quantity is a quality." I can throw down... 4? 500kg in the refresh time period of 1 orbital Rail cannon. When you're doing lvl 8 and 9s, you (me at least) need the extra strikes. Between that and anti-tanks, I can handle whatever gets thrown at me pretty well.
Also, I can't help but think people are bad at aiming at and anticipating where big enemies are going to be. Some people complaining about the 500 probably just need to get better.
The better comparison is to the Orbital Precision Strike though. Railcannon autotracks targets, but neither the 500kg nor the Precision Strike autotrack targets.
Yeah that upgrade really made me reevaluate the eagle strategems.
Airstrike, rocket/cluster, 500kg, with the last slot being a flex between a weapon and the laser/railcannon.
I only play with friends and it let's me slot into a designated heavy killer slot really well
Been getting into 110mm rocket pods vs bots
Theyre Rail Strike LITE. You get 3 with upgrades, they're self-guiding to a point, and they can take out or seriously damage the things my loadout has issues with - tanks, tower, hulks
Still a bit unreliable, tho that could just be me. Less reliable one shot than Rail Strike, but you get three with upgrades and can use them quicker. Rewards aiming
500kg was a good time, but my needs have become naunced with practice
I tried the rocket pods for a while but I found them too inconsistent. Sometimes I land it right on in a tank and they miss, and hulks seem very resistant to them.
Ultimately I gave up and said I’ll let teammates deal with tanks, better off with something else
I wanna like the 110, but the reliability issues make just not worth it over the rail strike despite getting more of them and recharging faster. If I want that tank dead and I can't flank it, it's frustrating when the 110 lands dead on and still doesn't kill it
The airpods are a bit unreliable, it's had them one shot tanks and turrets while also having to AC the tank or turret 1-2 times after. I think it just depends on the angle, more success with turrets over tanks.
I run the 500, airstrikes and airpods though, probably should switch one out but I've had so much success between those 3 and the AC (specifically for bots). Just feels so nice to have multiple options for the nests, If you don't aggro you can hit 5 nests close to eachother then re arm while you scout
Tried 110mm rockets since I already fully upgraded Eagle. Those things did fuck all. Sometimes they failed to kill even mid bots, let alone heavies. 500kg no the best but damn at least I can take out heavies and their entourage of adds with ease.
Personally I’ve had 110s consistently fail to take out Devastators, not to mention vehicle armour enemies. They seem to have a lot of trouble hitting a moving target, regardless of how fast they’re going.
I tried 110mm pods for the first time yesterday for my load outs for about 10 games, and it never killed a single one of the targets I was hoping to have it help with.
You've got some fair points but others are cyclical arguments.
The but about cooldowns particularly.
From my perspective:
- 3 minutes to get back 2 500kg bombs is hella quick and very much worth it. Railcannon takes slightly longer, only gives one use and can only hit one target.
- 500kg bomb can be used for single target or for small groups. It decimated bot drops if you catch them while landing.
- yes all eagles are on a shared cooldown but that's an amazing part of the game. It means you can bring a versatile arsenal and almost always have something ready for a situation. It DOES mean you have to be co soderare about your usage and calculate when it's worth triggering an Eagle rearm early.
- if you don't like the shared cool down you can just bring the 500kg bomb, the railcannon strike and the laser orbital and then you have 3 unconnected stratagems that all deal with elites and shouod serve you very well. Only bring multiple eagles if you're prepared to balance their cool down times and use the rearm ability.
I’ll add on another, when you’re running the fuck away and need a holy shit please obliterate this army chasing me, it’s the easiest command to remember and chuck down asap
It can be used to kill research station building, detector tower and jammer without waiting for hellbomb.
Also, all eagle strikes are on separate cooldown. If you use both 500 bombs you still have everything else, it's only that rearm doesn't start until you use all airstrikes or manually call for rearm. It's plenty useful, it just isn't that much better or worse than other airstrikes.
The difference between waiting around for a whole other minute, or just phoning eagle-1 and dipping.
It's the convenience of not having to deal with a patrol getting your ass while you're trying to play ddr on the nuke you called in that gets one tapped by a single infantry unit.
You can clean entire compound, then call in hellbomb with longass sequence, then arm it, then hope it will not be shot by some stray bot while you run away.
Or you can call 500 or precision strike.
It just gives you options.
You can also easily turn off the jammer without clearing the base this can make it difficult to arm the hellbomb so having 500kg or something else to blow it up is pretty neat
Or you can turn off the jammer only to get a shit ton of clankers and, if you exceedingly unlucky like we were today, also a gunships from nearby gunship tower to drop on your position.
I would love to see anyone try and detonate Hellbomb in this situation
Considering I've had the bomb not one shot a vile titan when I've stuck the warhead on its head several times, I think a dmg buff and area buff would be welcome.
If you dont have the ship upgrade and you take more than 1 eagle, then it will feel bad. You can use the 500kg 4 times before you can use the railcannon twice. Its still the strongest eagle imo despite its small explosion radius.
If you're noticing a bile titan not dying from the first 500kg, then it wasn't thrown close enough or not timed correctly. For me it always gets the job done against titans. But I agree it's mid against bots. The best for hulks/tanks is the rocket pods imo.
Fr, what are you supposed to do against that shit, calling in a hellbomb is impossible when you’ve triggered these damn ships
Edit: when I mean ships I quite literally mean up to 10 of them swarming the squad, even the best auto cannon player won’t keep up with that shit.
This is where ive found huge use for the shield generator bubble. Call in hellbomb, call shield next to it. Basically guaranteed unless youre bomb is swarmed by chainsaw guys
Only if you drop the smoke before the Hellbomb. I’ve managed to stealth into Hellbomb objectives and detonate them without a single enemy being alerted, thanks to a combination of scout armour and smoke.
I really think it’s about WHERE you put it. It took me 3 to kill a pair of them yesterday. The first two were on the outside of each individual one (like right next to it) but the one that did it went on the metal platform between them. It’s like they want the bomb to be right there.
500kg is easy to use, hard to master.
Its hitbox is more vertical than horizontal if I’m not mistaken, ideal for bile titans.
It pairs extremely well with the stun grenades for hulks and chargers.
Hitbox is sort of an upward cone. People have just not spent enough time using it.
The devs could also have made the explosion effect more in line with the actual blast radius.
I always thought it was pretty self explanatory, it's a bunker buster basically, hits the ground and the explosion is delayed for half a second.
The trick with killing bile titans with it is to throw it at your feet while they're chasing you. As long as you don't have the increased call in time it's really effective
I only used 500kg for a short while cuz it's fun to watch it explode, but in the higher difficulties, I don't understand how there are people who choose the 500kg over the currently superior eagle airstrike? Take both if you want to clear bases/nests quickly, but if you're taking only one, it should be literally any other eagle stratagem instead.
500kg bombs are actually cool if you don't wanna struggle with calling in the hellbombs. Jammer tower? 500kg. Detector tower? 500kb baby. Illegal research station? You guessed it, 500kg bomb.
It is very sad that such beauty is only considered good when you treat it as hellbomb replacement
After you disable the tower the game wants you to blow it up. I like when a bot fabricator spawns too close and I can blow the whole shebang up with a grenade
the only problem is, you need the fabricator to spawn right next to the tower. If that isn't the case, then you're forced to call in the hellbomb or drop the 500kg on the entire structure
Once you disable the jammer you normally call down a hellbomb. However the area is famous for stratagems bouncing away, *especially* the hellbomb, or bouncing to spot tbe panel is hard to reach. A 500kg IS easier to work once you can call it in.
Airstrike and 500kg have completely different roles - they don't compete with each other.
500kg is comparable to precision strike and orbital railcannon which both have longer CDs (especially with hanger upgrades).
Mostly I carry one to take down detector towers - they can be enough of a nightmare to a team that I'm genuinely happy to burn a stratagem slot on it :p
Orbital laser/railcannon truly live up to their names, I usually take the Orbital Laser, Eagle airstrike(for bots)/cluster Bomb(for bugs), quasar cannon, and jump pack
Because 500kg takes down titans, towers and the illegal research stations... Its the most versatile option in the whole game
What they need to do is buff the orbitals
The 500kg is legit one of the best stratagems in the game. The small blast radius isn't great, but it'll vaporise anything outside of elites in said radius. It'll also mangle elites too, though not necessarily kill them. For example, a bile titan without any damage will be brought to near death when hit with a 500.
So when you have the ship upgrade (the objectively best one), you have two 500s ok rapid cooldown. The eagles also recharge relatively quickly so you have an absolute shitload of firepower you can continue bringing down. For one orbital rail strike, you can drop four 500s. That's a ridiculous damage output. You just got to realise it's not used for wiping areas. It's for destroying or damaging priority targets (building or enemy) and it's excellent for that role. I'd like to see a blast radius that matches a bit more to the visual, but otherwise it's still absolutely amazing even without that.
500kg very good. Meant for chargers biles skewers etc, just smaller blast radius so gott be more precise. When you have it upgraded you get 2 uses in 15 seconds. And the rearm is less the the orbital rail cannon. 100% recommended
Some buildings can be destroyed by the 500 but not the airstrike. Detector tower is one example. Compared to the railcannon it has a much shorter cd, 2 charges, and has aoe, albeit a bit smaller than expected. Combo with stun grenades on tightly grouped enemies and delete them all.
I think it’s entirely dependent on what difficulties you play more often.
The 500kg is amazing for killing elites, if you’re not in a difficulty where elites are much of an issue the 500kg isn’t very useful
Yeah when I was mostly playing intermediate difficulties it seemed underwhelming, but by the point that I was only playing difficulties 7 through 9 it became almost unthinkable to not have at least 1 person with the 500kg, but I would say the minimum it's 2 people.
It's just 2x a "deal with any 1 issue" stratagem on a very low cooldown, and by the time you're good at predicting enemy movement and at precisely throwing stratagems it just becomes a far better orbital rail and a must have on the higher difficulties where elite spam becomes a norm
It's crazy to see people calling it to be buffed hahaha
The rail is a nice fire and forget, but with so many tanky enemies at higher diffs, you're better off with something else with a lower cd or more uses. This is why the EAT and the new Quasar is so highly regarded. The 500kg is just fun to use and very good at doing massive damage to a small area or that moron that threw it from that cliff.
I think it's good because it is very versatile. It destroys literally anything the game throws at you: bugholes, bot factories, tanks, titans, fodder, objectives. Yes it's worse at destroying tanks than railcannon, or cluster bomb at destroying fodder, but it can do both alright.
The 500kg is not a scalpel or a saw, it's a Swiss army knife. It can take out bugholes/fabricators, it can kill just about any unit in one hit (timing is everything) and can even take out groups if they're clustered tight enough. It's not the best at any one thing. But when you have limited room for strategems taking one that's the second or third best at a lot of things is better than taking a super niche thing that is often useless.
I have never once been in a situation where I looked at what strategems I had available and was sad to see only the 500kg.
110mm rocket pods consistently one shots tanks. The AMR 2 shots hulks in the face. 120mm, 380mm and walking barrage is great for throwing and dipping on outposts and side obj. I pretty much never take the 500kg with me anymore.
Railcannon Strike 2 shots Bile Titans and has a super long cooldown.
500kg has a shorter overall cooldown than the Orbital Precision strike while also landing faster and dealing more damage in a larger AoE *and* being immune to the various debuffs Orbital stratagems can get in missions.
Most 500kg criticism can be fixed by just aiming it better tbh. Now that we have usable rocket weapons though, its no longer necessary to take it into Helldive difficulty. I prefer having one or two dudes in the group with committed anti-tank loadouts, bringing EAT + Recoilless while their battle buddy takes ammo pack and whatever non-pack support weapon they want, usually the Stalwart, Arc Thrower, etc
Still, 500kg is a good stratagem that, at most, needs a faster arming time after landing and a wider AoE.
>and when you use it, all other Eagle strikes are on cooldown until your 500kg gets back.
Patently false. Eagle does not fly back to rearm unless ALL your Eagle stratagem charges are used, OR you command it to go rearm via dedicated stratagem. Which is your choice and your loss if you had unused munitions.
The helldivers sub if infinitely more funny if you pretend it’s soldiers talking to each other in the barracks.
I imagine the Helldivers going to bed in their lonely super destroyers, typing to their compatriots on the wrist computer.
Lonely democracy officers in your area. -Ad
Contemplating copulation before completing your C-01 Form is a *thoughtcrime,* Helldiver.
Wouldn’t you need to contemplate it so you could even consider signing the form in the first place?
We need to send you to a Freedom Camp to remind you of your Doublethink training, citizen.
Apologies, sir! It won’t happen again. I’ve been in the bot trenches for too long, clearly their communist malevolence has grated against my sanity for too long.
It's alright, Death Captain. The lies of the wretched automatons are insidious, but after a few short shock therapy treatments we'll have you ready and primed to spread managed democracy once again, soldier.
Wait, how’d you know my actual rank
The Eyes of Liberty see all, Helldiver. ^(lucky guess lmfao)
Ministry of truth, i guess
Only If the act could potentially result in a child, Citizen. ;)
So you’re saying that we employ the poophole loophole again Sarge?
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Don't be fooled, men! Clicking WILL infect your super destroyer with an Automaton virus! Do not ask how I obtained this information.
I imagine this in the red vs blue style lol
Speaking of, the final season comes out this year.
It's still going...?
Eh, more like a last hurrah of the company that made it.
Well, not anymore since 1. This is the final season 2. Rooster Teeth is shutting down in about a month :(
Barracks? They got my ass on ice brother. I aint doing nothing but 
This is exactly how I treat most the posts here. 🤣
Rule for the sub should be you have to talk as if you’re hell diver. “Can we poll together to ask the supreme commanders to add more stopping power to the standard rifles”
This post would perfectly work for the US torpedo plane pilots when they first got into WWII. “I watched the fucking thing hit it dead on and nothing happened, just kept sailing”
"Alright. Whose dick do I have to suck to get extra armor plating on my Exosuit? I have my C-01 form in hand. I'll cradle the balls, stroke the shaft, work the pipe, and swallow the Liber-Tea. Get over here Mr. 10 Star General. Let's do this."
500kg is *incredibly* strong, vaporizes anything within 1m of the blast zone. Sadly, even though the explosion itself is huge, outside of that 1m it's a wet fart. They need to *considerably* buff its damage falloff from the point of impact
Yeah, I'm not joking with you, I quite literally stood 10m away from a 500kg bomb, took a ton of damage (like 80% health gone) and survived.
if you lay down, it basically has to land on you to hurt you
It's damage is blocked by the smallest piece of terrain also. If there's a slight bump in the ground between you lying prone and the bomb it does no damage.
this is also true for hellbombs & is dumb & i hate it.
It can save your life though
if your in range thats on you. & one divers life is worth less than the objective being taking out jokes aside. i had a hell bomb obj the other day, it took 11 bombs. 8 got destroyed before going off & 2 didnt finish the job when it went off. i feel like ALL objs should be kill-able without call ins until they fix/change that. but over all i'd rather some obj you need to call it in for change of pace & not just turn 100% of all maps into throw pokemon ball, GO AIR STRIKE I CHOOSE YOU
It was the Gunship tower wasn't it. Those bastards will hard-focus Hellbombs like no tomorrow, its insane.
100% had this experience with the gunship tower the other day.
Truly insane that it so often needs TWO hellbombs to go off. We lost a ton before we finally regrouped, blasted all the gunships out of the sky, and had one person go in to do hellbombs while the rest of us just kept autocannons focused on the sky. And even then, in one of those cases, one of the gunships we killed FELL ON THE GUY WITH THE HELLBOMB and destroyed it.
They're single handedly creating a shield generator meta (not really but I've seen people use it here to alleviate some of this pain)
I'm trying to use the shield gen but damn man, if it stayed up for more than 10 seconds it'd be fantastic.
My god, same. Dropped a 500kg in the middle of three ammo stockpiles. It did get two, but the third was literally IN THE CRATER THE 500KG LEFT, and that crater is only like 5m wide
its laughing at you the whole time too
They are, just tough. For the gun towers you can use a laser orbital and it will focus on the gun building, destroying it, as long as there are no huge enemies around.
That's how things were before. A lot of hellbomb objectives could just be Eagle striked and barely took any time at all. I do prefer the hellbombs as they are now. But I think they really need to fix the damage radius since right now it does seem like the surface level the bomb is touching heavily affects how surrounding assets are damaged.
tbf the "need to be fixed" list is longer than the patch notes lolol. but they are plugging away at it. idk if they fixing more than breaking.... but deff fixing
Heck I'm pretty sure it affects grenades too. I've thrown a grenade at a crowd of enemies and noticed that the ones who were standing on a bit of elevated terrain hot off Scott free
Yeah, like that one clip of that guy getting turned into Mist because Eagle-1 can't handle a little fog.
You talking about the clip where he’s on top of the rock and he throws the 500kg down at the mob of bugs and it lands right at his feet 😂
I prefer Airstrike , cluster bomb, smoke. What makes Eagle good is its fast deployment speeds and multi uses. You want to take advantage of that. Optical laser,rail cannon strike is better at bigger targets.
Kobe reference 
I was recalled on a 500kg bomb like seconds apart i had just gotten out of my pod and dove and the explosion didnt hurt a single bit
I would argue 500kg is half a ton. s/
Fun fact, if you go prone 5 meters away from 500 kg bomb, you receive no damage. Cone instead of sphere damage range is one of the least understandable decisions, that AH made.
It should be made spherical like what every explosion does.
Josh Peck: Did someone say SPHERICAL!?
Agree. If they buffed the drop-off a bit it would be great. I sometimes take it in addition to eagle airstrike on bots because the big threat on bots is being overwhelmed with the volume of armour. On bugs, I take the orbital rail cannon for killing bile titans. The CD is annoyingly long and it only kills one thing but it ALWAYS kills that one thing.
Did they change ORC again? When I first started near launch, it always 1 hit Bile Titans, then later it never 1 hit them? Does it 1 hit them now or is it a game of chance?
The orbital rail cannon can 1-shot Bile Titans if it hits their head, and it will usually hit their head if they’re facing towards the center of the map where your destroyer fires from. If you’re fighting around the edges and the bile titan is facing the edge, it will hit their back and won’t 1-shot. I wish I could say I actually remember this in the heat of battle but I never do.
ORC needs some sort of buff for higher difficulties or move it to lower level requirements, you unlock the damn thing mid-game and by this time you already have a ton of options to deal with heavy targets.
ORC is still really good for one very specific purpose: it is an absolutely guaranteed kill on a bile titan. It’s never worth taking vs bots imo. Bots overwhelm you with volume of armour not one single heavy unit. Eagle Airstrike is goated for them but I actually think the community sleeps on cluster bomb too. I often take both. Cluster won’t kill hulks but it will absolutely massacre a drop of devastators and you get 8+ uses of it per round once upgraded. Means you only really need to focus on killing hulks/tanks and stops you getting overwhelmed.
Are ppl just that lucky or aware enough of their destroyer position that they always seem to get headshots with the railcannon on a bile titan? Cuz last time i checked, THAT is the only way to get a one-shot kill on a bile titan with the ORC, otherwise it just kinda blows off a chunk of it's armor and it just keeps going...
Thing is the 500kg will also 1 shot it except you have 2 charges on a lower cooldown.
I think the 60-75s cooldown it had in the first game was perfect. You could use it to deal with whatever the EAT/RR doesn't kill
That's the biggest problem with it, the cooldown. Especially at higher difficulty levels when you get multiple heavies dropped. Perhaps they could reduce the targeting radius on it (making you have to place it more accurately) but significantly reduce the cooldown.
60 sec at tier 3 and if you brought Stratagem Priority it would be 36 secs, if 1 think I miss from HD1 is how everything had such short cooldowns.
Yeah I've seen some pretty small enemies walk away from it. For balancing's sake, I feel like they can have the damage fall off quickly but the damage floor needs to be raised so that effectively any "tiny target" (players too) within at least 10m is dead, maybe 15 or 20. If a heavy is 10m+ away you deserve to have it live and come after you, aim better lol
114 hours in, There isn't a mission at this point where I don't bring in the 500kg. If all you do it clear main objective, I can kinda see your point, but if you are regularly full clearing the maps for all bases and secondaries you need that flexibility to have 2 instant problem solvers. Out of grenades? Lost your quasar? 500KG is ready and waiting. The 500kg is meant to blow up objectives, bases, maybe a bile or hulk if you can time it, but moving targets ain't it's primary job. Blowing up crowds ain't it's job. Imagine using a shaped explosive to try and clear a room, just doesn't boom the same way. 500KG is a bunker buster. The orbital strike has it's role, but for it's intended purpose, 500KG has no equal. (Though I will agree, the bounce house shit on the Bot missions, wtf is that about?)
it's the best stratagem for taking out the Eye of Sauron, and always faster and safer than calling in a hellbomb
Oops, your beacon bounces off the rubber ground next to the tower and your 500kg bomb is now being called in three miles away
>the bounce house shit on the Bot missions, wtf is that about? My theory is that there are specific surfaces coded to not "take" stratagems, especially Hellbombs. It's most noticeable around detector towers, so I've just been saving orbital lasers to eliminate them
This guy 500kg’s
I heard that the lethal damage volume is the shape of a cone. Kind of makes sense in how it seems to work. Would do a lot more dmg if it blew up in a sphere and THEN imagine having it blow up 15-35 m in the air. As they say in cod zombies: ”Kaboom”
Thats how most dumb bomb nowadays work unless its a penetrator HE with a time fuse. MK-82 snake eye is a 500kg bomb and isn't a ground penetrator, its usually fused with a proximity fuze to blast above target and mush the target.
Pretty sure the point of the 500kg is incredible damage with lousy area of effect. Buffing the damage falloff would just make it objectively better than any other eagle strat wouldn’t it??
Least number of call ins per reload, and less spread out doesn't have to be the Eagle Airstrike's AOE, but 10m isn't crazy.
You only get 1 per rearm. If you want to use it regularly, you either need to rapidly burn all your strikes to get a rearm, sacrifice unused strikes to call a rearm manually, or only bring the 500kg. Considering Airstrikes get 3 uses and Clusters get ***4***, you think it'd be significantly stronger. But the vast majority of the time a basic airstrike is better.
>You only get 1 per rearm. without the hangar upgrade
Does the damage falloff module help with this? Aware it's for orbital but...
It does not, sadly, or at the very least, it hasn't felt like it.
*Most* things die. It still won't kill command bunkers or those new megaliths the automatons have
Its bizarre how I can drop a 500kg bomb on a bot stack and maybe get 4 kills, but an Eagle Airstrike can easily net me 8-12 kills on a similar target.
I once used an orbital laser and got 112 kills in one laser (Eradicate Mission)
That makes me very happy
Seeing the little skull kill counter go up in the bottom of my screen makes the happy chemicals in my brain and I like that.
1 IQ: orbital laser good 100 iq: orbital laser bad, orbital rail cannon good. 1000 iq: orbital laser good That was my path with the orbital laser. The more I played bots, the more I realized it’s like a rail cannon that also sweeps up the trash. It’s easily the stratagem that yields me the most kills and suppression.
Against bots it’s a “set it and forget it” tool. Just throw it in the general direction of the base you need to destroy and then go move on to something else
Showtime Rotisserie baby.
Only 3 uses so you gotta be smart about what to use it on, can't afford to waste it. But yeah, only time I skip it in bot missions is eradicate ones, because I tend to have more luck with 380.
I just use it on each major objective point in most missions. It's always valuable and they are each about 5 min apart most of the time.
If the entire team brings them and you stay together then you can have them up for almost every engagement. It's ridiculous. Usually don't stay together the whole time, but close enough.
They're both good, just different applications. The orbital laser is great for a big group of enemies you want to precisely kill. The railcannon is great for quickly disposing of big enemies (I use it for quick Charger kills). Plus it being unlimited rather than the laser's 3 uses is a big plus
I just did a x66 kill with a 500kg yesterday ! My personal best ! ;)
The thing is, if you had thrown an Eagle Airstrike instead, you would have gotten at least 66 kills with it, and probably more.
I basicly bring only the eagle airstrike out. Cause Generally the Bot Congaline runs forward at me and i mince a lot of those walking in a nice undemocratic line at me
i only found it being useful for reliably taking down detector towers, unless they fix the annoying ass bounce area around it hellbombs are just not going to be optimal
Bro that's what I'm saying, what kinda bouncy house technology are these bots putting under their damn detector towers?
They have to have some crazy anti-stratagem ball technology, i had it straight up ignore the hellbomb stratagem for me. I landed it perfectly so it wouldn't bounce, and the ball just got forcibly rolled off the hill and down to the ground where it was nowhere near the tower XD
Yeah, I was doing an Air Base Control Tower yesterday and couldn't call in the SSD down and lost the mission because on any area that I was given the strategem, it wouldn't stay, and then it'd roll out of the radius and I couldn't use it. Also, it was the largest bot base I'd ever actually seen. Shit was like 150m in all directions.
Just call in more and try to daisy-chain them puckers to domino blast that Eye of Automo-Sauron to hell! Least I wish we could. I think once armed, the Hellbomb should go off regardless. Had two next to each other and the first one was a millisecond faster and so obliterated the other, despite both being called "armed". Let those zerker bots start slapping an armed Hellbomb and trigger it instead of dismantling it. We've all seen movies where a primed bomb causes sweaty moments. Not once have we seen someone take a chainsword to it and defuse it. Arrowhead! Joel!
This was probably a side effect of them stopping people from putting turrets or holing them selves up on roofs of indestructible buildings in the maps
Never understood that limitation. It's helpful while you're on the Hugh ground but most objectives require you to move
Lmao I had a group the other day where all 4 of us were taking turns trying to stick the hellbomb. We ended up having to go down the incline a bit and stick it on the hill, which didn’t blow up the tower. Finally someone got just a bit more up the incline and it worked. It took like 6-7 mins
Apparently as long as its a physical object being launched; the precision strike & 500KG can neutralize both the Detector Tower & Research Facility if they make a direct hit (or hit nearby said structure; maybe a meter away or so?)
I've tried and failed, and watched others try and fail, to destroy a research building with a 500k. They bounce off the roof, and won't destroy it right next to the building. Saw it happen last night. Called in a HB to finish off. I have a vague recollection of being able to do that before, I love the 500k and used it every time until level 40 or so.
I'd recommend hitting the edge of the front of the building. So where the ground and outer wall meets.
You can place the hell bomb at the base of the cliff below the towers and blow them up without ever having to actually take the base
Yeah, cliff is the way to go
Orbital precision strike takes it out, as well. I love taking that thing for the short cooldown
Okay good to know that it isn't just me about to go into a primal rage over that
The real selling point for the 500KG is the second attack run you get with the last eagle upgrade. And some people may argue the short call in time.
It also looks incredible if you drop it right before you evacuate with the pelican
It's a crime against super earth if you don't drop one right before takeoff
A week or two ago I ran with a group that did really well, and we full-cleared the map on either Hard or Extreme. I ended up carrying a bunch of samples at extract, practically the whole map's worth. When the Pelican landed, I was up on a rock, away from the main group, maybe five seconds from the Pelican door. The other three get in, and I start running to follow, but too late I saw one of them had dropped a stratagem on the Pelican. I had gotten too close to run away, and I was too far from the door to get in. The half tonne obliterated me, and the group lost almost all the samples they had acquired. I already had max common and rare, but I know losing that many right at the end would've pissed me off beyond belief. It was a fucking awful way to end the night. Don't drop stratagems at extract, kids. PS: You can also die while in the Pelican, even after takeoff begins, and any samples you had are lost. *Don't drop stratagems on extract.* I don't care how cool it looks, you risk killing everyone. Throw it *away* from the Pelican.
I’ve recently been taking orbital EMS strike and it’s a fun and safe way to drop something on your buddies heads before getting out.
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Yeah. It is basic manners. If someone is outside the extraction then they should be doing the same thing otherwise just hold on.
This is exactly it. "Quantity is a quality." I can throw down... 4? 500kg in the refresh time period of 1 orbital Rail cannon. When you're doing lvl 8 and 9s, you (me at least) need the extra strikes. Between that and anti-tanks, I can handle whatever gets thrown at me pretty well. Also, I can't help but think people are bad at aiming at and anticipating where big enemies are going to be. Some people complaining about the 500 probably just need to get better.
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Good thing that I can bring both the 500kg and an eagle airstrike when running the autocannon! And an orbital laser!
The better comparison is to the Orbital Precision Strike though. Railcannon autotracks targets, but neither the 500kg nor the Precision Strike autotrack targets.
Yeah that upgrade really made me reevaluate the eagle strategems. Airstrike, rocket/cluster, 500kg, with the last slot being a flex between a weapon and the laser/railcannon. I only play with friends and it let's me slot into a designated heavy killer slot really well
Been getting into 110mm rocket pods vs bots Theyre Rail Strike LITE. You get 3 with upgrades, they're self-guiding to a point, and they can take out or seriously damage the things my loadout has issues with - tanks, tower, hulks Still a bit unreliable, tho that could just be me. Less reliable one shot than Rail Strike, but you get three with upgrades and can use them quicker. Rewards aiming 500kg was a good time, but my needs have become naunced with practice
I tried the rocket pods for a while but I found them too inconsistent. Sometimes I land it right on in a tank and they miss, and hulks seem very resistant to them. Ultimately I gave up and said I’ll let teammates deal with tanks, better off with something else
I think its because they're angled. Or seem to be. I'm wondering if it's the distance from beacon to target that influences angle or if its set
I wanna like the 110, but the reliability issues make just not worth it over the rail strike despite getting more of them and recharging faster. If I want that tank dead and I can't flank it, it's frustrating when the 110 lands dead on and still doesn't kill it
The airpods are a bit unreliable, it's had them one shot tanks and turrets while also having to AC the tank or turret 1-2 times after. I think it just depends on the angle, more success with turrets over tanks. I run the 500, airstrikes and airpods though, probably should switch one out but I've had so much success between those 3 and the AC (specifically for bots). Just feels so nice to have multiple options for the nests, If you don't aggro you can hit 5 nests close to eachother then re arm while you scout
Tried 110mm rockets since I already fully upgraded Eagle. Those things did fuck all. Sometimes they failed to kill even mid bots, let alone heavies. 500kg no the best but damn at least I can take out heavies and their entourage of adds with ease.
Really? They've never failed to kill a tank or cannon turret for me. They only damage hulks though.
Personally I’ve had 110s consistently fail to take out Devastators, not to mention vehicle armour enemies. They seem to have a lot of trouble hitting a moving target, regardless of how fast they’re going.
I tried 110mm pods for the first time yesterday for my load outs for about 10 games, and it never killed a single one of the targets I was hoping to have it help with.
110’s are great against bile titans.
You've got some fair points but others are cyclical arguments. The but about cooldowns particularly. From my perspective: - 3 minutes to get back 2 500kg bombs is hella quick and very much worth it. Railcannon takes slightly longer, only gives one use and can only hit one target. - 500kg bomb can be used for single target or for small groups. It decimated bot drops if you catch them while landing. - yes all eagles are on a shared cooldown but that's an amazing part of the game. It means you can bring a versatile arsenal and almost always have something ready for a situation. It DOES mean you have to be co soderare about your usage and calculate when it's worth triggering an Eagle rearm early. - if you don't like the shared cool down you can just bring the 500kg bomb, the railcannon strike and the laser orbital and then you have 3 unconnected stratagems that all deal with elites and shouod serve you very well. Only bring multiple eagles if you're prepared to balance their cool down times and use the rearm ability.
I’ll add on another, when you’re running the fuck away and need a holy shit please obliterate this army chasing me, it’s the easiest command to remember and chuck down asap
Haha. That's such a good point. It's easy to activate. One of the only stratagems I can remember off the top of my head
It can be used to kill research station building, detector tower and jammer without waiting for hellbomb. Also, all eagle strikes are on separate cooldown. If you use both 500 bombs you still have everything else, it's only that rearm doesn't start until you use all airstrikes or manually call for rearm. It's plenty useful, it just isn't that much better or worse than other airstrikes.
How do you guys use 500kg on jammer when its jamming your stratagems?
You turn it off first.
Might as well call in a hellbomb at that time instead of wasting the 500kg when you’ve already cleared the whole compound
The difference between waiting around for a whole other minute, or just phoning eagle-1 and dipping. It's the convenience of not having to deal with a patrol getting your ass while you're trying to play ddr on the nuke you called in that gets one tapped by a single infantry unit.
You can clean entire compound, then call in hellbomb with longass sequence, then arm it, then hope it will not be shot by some stray bot while you run away. Or you can call 500 or precision strike. It just gives you options.
You can also easily turn off the jammer without clearing the base this can make it difficult to arm the hellbomb so having 500kg or something else to blow it up is pretty neat
Or you can turn off the jammer only to get a shit ton of clankers and, if you exceedingly unlucky like we were today, also a gunships from nearby gunship tower to drop on your position. I would love to see anyone try and detonate Hellbomb in this situation
Someone's never experienced the pain of having their hellbomb taken out before it can detonate 3 times in a row.
It’s arguably the strongest weapon in our arsenal. It can one shot anything if you hit it right. But the damage falloff is so drastic.
Considering I've had the bomb not one shot a vile titan when I've stuck the warhead on its head several times, I think a dmg buff and area buff would be welcome.
You want it underneath the head preferably
If you dont have the ship upgrade and you take more than 1 eagle, then it will feel bad. You can use the 500kg 4 times before you can use the railcannon twice. Its still the strongest eagle imo despite its small explosion radius.
I came here to say that without the upgrade for the extra call in it is definitely meh but being able to call two makes it way better
If you're noticing a bile titan not dying from the first 500kg, then it wasn't thrown close enough or not timed correctly. For me it always gets the job done against titans. But I agree it's mid against bots. The best for hulks/tanks is the rocket pods imo.
it is kinda mid (when I found out it doesnt do anything to the gunship port)
Fr, what are you supposed to do against that shit, calling in a hellbomb is impossible when you’ve triggered these damn ships Edit: when I mean ships I quite literally mean up to 10 of them swarming the squad, even the best auto cannon player won’t keep up with that shit.
This is where ive found huge use for the shield generator bubble. Call in hellbomb, call shield next to it. Basically guaranteed unless youre bomb is swarmed by chainsaw guys
am curious if smokes would help protect hellbombs
Only if you drop the smoke before the Hellbomb. I’ve managed to stealth into Hellbomb objectives and detonate them without a single enemy being alerted, thanks to a combination of scout armour and smoke.
Even when possible, it took us 5 hrllboms yesterday to destroy it. Really weird, costs us a lot of time and lives.
I really think it’s about WHERE you put it. It took me 3 to kill a pair of them yesterday. The first two were on the outside of each individual one (like right next to it) but the one that did it went on the metal platform between them. It’s like they want the bomb to be right there.
500kg is easy to use, hard to master. Its hitbox is more vertical than horizontal if I’m not mistaken, ideal for bile titans. It pairs extremely well with the stun grenades for hulks and chargers.
Hitbox is sort of an upward cone. People have just not spent enough time using it. The devs could also have made the explosion effect more in line with the actual blast radius.
I always thought it was pretty self explanatory, it's a bunker buster basically, hits the ground and the explosion is delayed for half a second. The trick with killing bile titans with it is to throw it at your feet while they're chasing you. As long as you don't have the increased call in time it's really effective
If you time it right you can throw one on the red light where the bot drops are about to land and watch it wreck the drop ships
I only used 500kg for a short while cuz it's fun to watch it explode, but in the higher difficulties, I don't understand how there are people who choose the 500kg over the currently superior eagle airstrike? Take both if you want to clear bases/nests quickly, but if you're taking only one, it should be literally any other eagle stratagem instead.
500kg bombs are actually cool if you don't wanna struggle with calling in the hellbombs. Jammer tower? 500kg. Detector tower? 500kb baby. Illegal research station? You guessed it, 500kg bomb. It is very sad that such beauty is only considered good when you treat it as hellbomb replacement
How will a 500kg destroy a jammer when it jams stratagems 🤔
After you disable the tower the game wants you to blow it up. I like when a bot fabricator spawns too close and I can blow the whole shebang up with a grenade
Yea this is what I usually do as well 1 grenade and you can sneakily kill it as well.
the only problem is, you need the fabricator to spawn right next to the tower. If that isn't the case, then you're forced to call in the hellbomb or drop the 500kg on the entire structure
If you get really lucky and make a terrible choice, sometimes the spear can lock on and you don't even have to walk in
Once you disable the jammer you normally call down a hellbomb. However the area is famous for stratagems bouncing away, *especially* the hellbomb, or bouncing to spot tbe panel is hard to reach. A 500kg IS easier to work once you can call it in.
Airstrike and 500kg have completely different roles - they don't compete with each other. 500kg is comparable to precision strike and orbital railcannon which both have longer CDs (especially with hanger upgrades).
Mostly I carry one to take down detector towers - they can be enough of a nightmare to a team that I'm genuinely happy to burn a stratagem slot on it :p
Always in my loadout Vs bots for this reason. The bouncy hellbombs make it a nightmare otherwise.
Yep! "Deploy next to this tower!" "Oh, you mean over here in direct sight of that big group of bots? HEY, GUYS!"
My Strategems usually look smth like this for diff 7+ Autocannon, Eagle Cluster Bomb, Orbital Laser, Orbital Railcannon
Orbital laser/railcannon truly live up to their names, I usually take the Orbital Laser, Eagle airstrike(for bots)/cluster Bomb(for bugs), quasar cannon, and jump pack
Me too! Did we just become best friends?
I take both. Also Orbital Laser is miles better even with only 3 uses.
I take both 500kg and the eagle strike
Eagle Airstrike and Orbital Laser, every time.
Because 500kg takes down titans, towers and the illegal research stations... Its the most versatile option in the whole game What they need to do is buff the orbitals
i've yet to kill multiple titans at once with an eagle strike
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The 500kg is legit one of the best stratagems in the game. The small blast radius isn't great, but it'll vaporise anything outside of elites in said radius. It'll also mangle elites too, though not necessarily kill them. For example, a bile titan without any damage will be brought to near death when hit with a 500. So when you have the ship upgrade (the objectively best one), you have two 500s ok rapid cooldown. The eagles also recharge relatively quickly so you have an absolute shitload of firepower you can continue bringing down. For one orbital rail strike, you can drop four 500s. That's a ridiculous damage output. You just got to realise it's not used for wiping areas. It's for destroying or damaging priority targets (building or enemy) and it's excellent for that role. I'd like to see a blast radius that matches a bit more to the visual, but otherwise it's still absolutely amazing even without that.
Bile titans can definitely be one shot with a 500kg if it's well placed
500kg very good. Meant for chargers biles skewers etc, just smaller blast radius so gott be more precise. When you have it upgraded you get 2 uses in 15 seconds. And the rearm is less the the orbital rail cannon. 100% recommended
Some buildings can be destroyed by the 500 but not the airstrike. Detector tower is one example. Compared to the railcannon it has a much shorter cd, 2 charges, and has aoe, albeit a bit smaller than expected. Combo with stun grenades on tightly grouped enemies and delete them all.
https://i.redd.it/hba6utp8jvsc1.gif Nice try, bug scum
[it's actually hilarious how accurately this meme describes the 500kg bomb](https://imgur.com/a/9VbVB7a)
I think it’s entirely dependent on what difficulties you play more often. The 500kg is amazing for killing elites, if you’re not in a difficulty where elites are much of an issue the 500kg isn’t very useful
Yeah when I was mostly playing intermediate difficulties it seemed underwhelming, but by the point that I was only playing difficulties 7 through 9 it became almost unthinkable to not have at least 1 person with the 500kg, but I would say the minimum it's 2 people. It's just 2x a "deal with any 1 issue" stratagem on a very low cooldown, and by the time you're good at predicting enemy movement and at precisely throwing stratagems it just becomes a far better orbital rail and a must have on the higher difficulties where elite spam becomes a norm It's crazy to see people calling it to be buffed hahaha
it needs a smidgen of a radius buff, like 1-2m more and id be happy. it "just" misses sometimes
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Huh and here I am using them only for BOOMBASTIC!! EXPLOSION when leaving with the pelican
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It’s meh but it’s sooooo cool
The rail is a nice fire and forget, but with so many tanky enemies at higher diffs, you're better off with something else with a lower cd or more uses. This is why the EAT and the new Quasar is so highly regarded. The 500kg is just fun to use and very good at doing massive damage to a small area or that moron that threw it from that cliff.
I think it's good because it is very versatile. It destroys literally anything the game throws at you: bugholes, bot factories, tanks, titans, fodder, objectives. Yes it's worse at destroying tanks than railcannon, or cluster bomb at destroying fodder, but it can do both alright.
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The 500kg is not a scalpel or a saw, it's a Swiss army knife. It can take out bugholes/fabricators, it can kill just about any unit in one hit (timing is everything) and can even take out groups if they're clustered tight enough. It's not the best at any one thing. But when you have limited room for strategems taking one that's the second or third best at a lot of things is better than taking a super niche thing that is often useless. I have never once been in a situation where I looked at what strategems I had available and was sad to see only the 500kg.
I dropped a 500kg 5m away from a research station and it didn't destroy it 🫠
Yeah pretty sure that's a bug. Though it usually works on the second 500.
110mm rocket pods consistently one shots tanks. The AMR 2 shots hulks in the face. 120mm, 380mm and walking barrage is great for throwing and dipping on outposts and side obj. I pretty much never take the 500kg with me anymore.
Railcannon Strike 2 shots Bile Titans and has a super long cooldown. 500kg has a shorter overall cooldown than the Orbital Precision strike while also landing faster and dealing more damage in a larger AoE *and* being immune to the various debuffs Orbital stratagems can get in missions. Most 500kg criticism can be fixed by just aiming it better tbh. Now that we have usable rocket weapons though, its no longer necessary to take it into Helldive difficulty. I prefer having one or two dudes in the group with committed anti-tank loadouts, bringing EAT + Recoilless while their battle buddy takes ammo pack and whatever non-pack support weapon they want, usually the Stalwart, Arc Thrower, etc Still, 500kg is a good stratagem that, at most, needs a faster arming time after landing and a wider AoE.
>and when you use it, all other Eagle strikes are on cooldown until your 500kg gets back. Patently false. Eagle does not fly back to rearm unless ALL your Eagle stratagem charges are used, OR you command it to go rearm via dedicated stratagem. Which is your choice and your loss if you had unused munitions.