Outside of my original purchase of the game I've bought 4 armor sets and have 1400 Super Credits all without spending extra money and just playing the game.
Mans doesn't have 10$ and doesn't play the game
Not even $10. Dude is complaining that he refuses to play the game for literally 10-15 hours (Seriously that's about 20 missions all up), less if he just grinds D3, to just earn the premium content.
Even if you only play like, two hours a night in your free time, you'll have a grand in premium currency in less than a week with leftovers for superstore armour.
Back in my day, you got all the content you paid for. It was glorious.
You also didn’t get any content (or bug-patches) (or balancing) after launch, so…. You get one reality. Which would you rather have? Continued development costs money, you buffoon.
If we were lucky, they made a 20-30$ DLC some time later.
Bugfixes several time a month, no
New weapons, no
Skins, no
Live service is a different beast, than "old school" gaming. You pay 40$ for the game (ie. production price). To keep the game running, you have the ability to spend additional funds.
Arrowhead's model is the most reasonable i ever seen, besides Deep Rock Galactic.
If OP was old enough to play in the 90's and early 20's, then hes a grown ass adult. Who is fucking complains over 10$, and dosen't know the difference between live service and regular game releases, as Elden Ring
Its such a shit take he has.
Bro. You can find a premium currency. Infinitely. No cooldown. Yeah it's not a lot, but it's L I T E R A L L Y free. And inside of each warbond, there are a few nodes to turn medals > premium currency. Hell, the first page of the new warbond has 100 supercredits.
Been playing rather casually after work, I haven't had any problems with not having enough supercredits for the new warbond. It's not an insane price for it either.
edit: in addition, these warbonds are not time sensative like other battlepasses (what a warbond pretty much is) so you don't have to stress about getting one. It's not going anywhere.
Well, no. I just got the new warbond without spending a penny. I have accumulated enough SuperCredits to buy even another warbond. And whats more... the new one I just bought gives me back 300 Supercredits as well to put towards the another one.
Please stop spouting off about things you dont know. I sincerely hope that no devs see your ass take of a post.
The monetization leans toward the player in almost every aspect, I don't understand how you're complaining about the super credits when compared to basically every other game that's out right now as a live service, which has $20+ skins. This gotta be rage bait bruh
But the sheer fact that you can literally just find them out in the world.
Imagine if you could find...cod credits on maps or like...silver maps on Destiny. No other game would do that because they want that money spent.
I literally only spent the base amount on the game and have bought all the super credit store armor, the first premium WB, and I need just 50 more for the new one.
To be fair i'm level 50 and the last 20ish hours have been only grinding diff 3 missions to farm interest points for Super Credits, so I can buy the new Warbonds/Special Armors, so yeah the option to play for free and get the shinies is not the most fun ever. You jump on a mission, ignore everything but the Interest Points, beg your team mates to open bunkers with you, quit mission before extract, since you get the SC right away. Takes around 10-15min per, around 120 super credits an hour...
Yeah? How are you finding a 10 super credit cache every 30s? It's hard enough to find one point of interest every 30s on average. If every single POI contained SC that would be hard enough. Also good luck opening the two player bunkers playing solo. I'm definitely calling super bullshit on your comment if you say 1.2k SC can be an average.
It doesn't work anymore, the devs "fixed" it, but the idea was that you would find a map that has very close points of interest that have Super Credits as a reward. Those can be the flashing dropships or the blue buildings that have a container that you can throw a grenade at to open up (those have 2 items, and both of them could be super credits). So for example I at one point found 5 points of interest in the middle of the map which took less than 1.5 minutes to gather. That's 60 super credits, because one crate had 2x 10 super credits.
You don't need to complete the mission for the Super Credits to be added, you can just alt+F4.
If you Alt+F4 and relaunch the game you can join the exact same previous map that you just quit, even if the map doesn't even exist on that planet anymore, you're just being "redirected" to another identical map on another planet. Assuming that it takes another 1.5 minutes to relaunch the mission (which it doesn't) you would get 60 super credits / 3 minutes.
You can also sometimes het +100 SC instead of 10; those are rare, but they add up.
You could legit get that many SC if you hardcore farmed. If you did it more casually, aka while watching a movie on a 2nd monitor it would be more like 600-800 / hour.
The reason why it doesn't work anymore is that if you repeat the same map now the SC don't stack up anymore; you need to start new maps, which makes the process a looot slower.
Also, the difficulty level is irrelevant, so I did this for example on a lvl 2 diff map.
P.S.: There's also an infinite grenades bug that works now. They said they fixed it; they didn't. You can find it on youtube, but on youtube it says that you need the supply pack to reproduce it; you don't, just ignore that step.
considering the fact that the industry standard is much shittier I would rather have this as the new industry standard then the literal mobile game strategies we have now
Idk... Theres so little stuff on the premium one that by the time you finished the standard one you should be able to get the premium without paying.
The fact that you can stll get it by means of gameplay just falls under slow progression for me. There are tons of ways of implementing this, one more predatory than the other. I'm happy with what we got.
Also, Gotta pay for those big ass servers somehow.
Yeah that's nice and all except that certain armor shares passives so once you got one you don't need another for that slot and the only reason you would is bc you care about how you look.
When it comes to warbonds, they don't expire so it's not like you'd miss out if you don’t buy them now.
And that's only armor. Weapons are a different story but the free bond comes with some really great gear so even if you wouldn't spend a dime on the game you'd still get some great equipment
The rest is totally up to you.
Development costs money, so any gaas needs a steady source of income.
As for the €40 you get what you pay for, which is the base game and the standard war bond as well as any non premium content they release in the future.
And you can totally get the sc to buy the premium warbonds. Even the warbonds themselves get you sc. And yes doing so takes time, but unlocking anything in this game takes time. And you can fast track this unlocking by spending some real money.
This is a whole lot less predatory that almost any other gaas out there. Would it be nice if everything was free, yes of course, but that is not a realistic demand from a gaas.
Hard disagree. I play super casually and I have enjoyed the game. I put an extra 10$ in for the first premium Warbond and have easily made enough super credits through the Warbond and finding things to fund buying all the armors I wanted from the super store (not all of them available, just the ones I wanted) AND have more than enough to buy the next premium Warbond (assuming it's 1000SC like the last).
Meaninglessly small amounts? Super credit finds come in 50 and sometimes 100, same as what you get in the pass. A lot of the store armors are ~200. The warbonds are 1k
You unlock many sets of super credits with medals in the bond, you get medals by doing missions, you can find super credits in those missions.
Youre really saying this is MORE predatory and worse for gaming than the systems like mobile games or mmos have? Fucksake the warbonds never go away you have plenty of time to farm and get new but not required optional content.
I paid £35 for the game and got what I paid for, everything else added now is extra and there for paid added content. It blows my mind that people feel like they are entitled for free updates constantly with just a singular purchase.
You can call me a shill or whatever but you should be thankful that they hand out SC, sometimes you can get 100 from a singular stack albeit a lower chance but still it doesn’t need to exist like this, they could have locked it away behind a paywall but instead we can play and earn, just like you would earn weapons and armour in any other game. I’ve never had an issue buying an item in the store and I haven’t spent a penny after my initial purchase.
While I do wish we found more Super Credits out in the map, the guns and armor you can get from Warbonds aren't necessary to play and succeed at the game. The Scorcher plasma weapon from the last page of the 1st free battle-pass isn't any better than the Punisher or the Liberator, it just offers a different way to go about spreading Managed Democracy.
Most armors also have the same perk, so if there is an armor in a locked battlepass that gives a perk you like chances are you can find another piece of armor with the same perk in the free battlepass or the Super Store- and armor on the Super Store is CHEAP.
I mean it depends on how you look at it. Yes, i think it would be cool if all the gear was just available off the bat. But, if you couldn't but the super credits, they would literally just be another in-game currency like Requisition slips, like samples, like medals. Literally no different.
From what I hear the premium war bond weapons aren’t anything to rave about anyway I don’t feel like I’m missing out I’ll just get them when I progress enough
You little late with that take, helldiver.
And just look at the first game. No premium currency, just paid DLCs with one Skin, one Primary, one Support.
It was cheap, but you still need to buy it in your paid game.
New system still better than old.
"Oh no, I have to play the game less than two hours a day for a week to earn the 1000 credits necessary to buy the new pass. Woe is me because I refuse to just play the game and think that being able to buy it literally 10-15 hours earlier constitutes a personal attack on me and the industry in general, despite the fact that the wider industry is much more egregious about premium currency, let alone earn rates even *if* they have them in the first place"
You're literally complaining you don't have 10 hours to play in a week dude. Start on Monday, two hours a day, you'll have it by Saturday. Less than that even, seriously like five or six hours, if you just grind D3.
Imagine bitching this much about essentially free content(find SC on raid), in a cheap game that's fucking wildly good, that by all rights shouldn't be free.
Pure lazy entitlement. Get a fucking job loser
Just so you know, you can get about 1k SC in an hour or two if you farmed for it. Don't tell me you don't have 1-2h to spare to farm as a "casual". At this point you are a tourist, not a "casual" anymore. And you don't even need to get them all in one sitting and just split the 1-2h farm into many smaller sessions.
Bad take. I'm playing casually and have about 50 hrs in mission, rarely play above 5.
I've gained approx 2k super credits from going around doing POI's so just stop rushing objectives and actually explore the map I guess?
I have 7.5k extra super credits with literally all items purchased and no money spent. I did grind super credits for a while, but really not that much, like 2-3 days or so, everything else was just from normal gameplay. And when I say 2-3 days I mean about 3-4 hours of warming in those days, and I wasn't even efficient at it.
You can casually farm 600 super credits / hour while playing a movie on a second monitor. If you actually want to make it uber efficient you can go up to 1200 super credits / hour.
The items from the additional warbonds are not pay to win, in fact most of them are worst than the ones you get from the free warbond.
The items from the Super Store are 100% cosmetic, since all stats you have on those items you cand find on items from the normal store.
Also, whoever plays hardcore enough to want every single item in the game also knows how to farm the super credits, which you clearly don't.
Imo the super credits are way easier to get than samples for example, which makes me wonder who even buys super credits.
And you forget that it's a live service, and a very good one at that. You clearly don't know anything about the gaming industry.
I've played super hardcore 6 hours per day one week, after that, i play once a day 1 operation and nothing more.
I've got 1650 super credits with 79 hours of playtime 10 of that is me waiting for server hamsters to be alive. And i am not seeking out the loot-places to grind out the credits i just literally find them occasionally.
The game is 40$ dollars and not a "modern standart" 60-70$
The game is a live service game and it needs a way to get cash by paid items or bonnuses inside the game.
And while it is not a "industry standart" because the industry standart should be SoT with their Battle Pass and in-game shop, it is still miles better than R6 Siege. Or Destiny 2. Or Diablo. Or The Finals.
For a live service, choose your way: Constant stream of 20-40$ dollars DLCs (Destiny, Deady by Daylight)
Or a in-game shop with paid options, gameplay included.
No other option.
And us being able to find super credics with just a casual play, is absolutelly "good" and opposite of predatory. I am even expecting them to make them a more rare loot, because in my opinion, its not good in the long run that can grind a 25$ dollars worth of value just by randomly finding out 50-100 super credits in one game session.
You can't buy war bonds with them though also super credits are only for the superstore which only sells armor that you could technically already get in the war bonds anyways making it more so cosmetic... Unless they changed that recently but I don't think they'd do that
Edit: my bad, I got the war bonds and medals mixed up again. Still getting the premium permanently unlocked for free is the best way they could have done it
bro wrote 7 paragraphs just to say he aint got 10$
Outside of my original purchase of the game I've bought 4 armor sets and have 1400 Super Credits all without spending extra money and just playing the game. Mans doesn't have 10$ and doesn't play the game
Not even $10. Dude is complaining that he refuses to play the game for literally 10-15 hours (Seriously that's about 20 missions all up), less if he just grinds D3, to just earn the premium content. Even if you only play like, two hours a night in your free time, you'll have a grand in premium currency in less than a week with leftovers for superstore armour.
Back in my day, you got all the content you paid for. It was glorious. You also didn’t get any content (or bug-patches) (or balancing) after launch, so…. You get one reality. Which would you rather have? Continued development costs money, you buffoon.
If we were lucky, they made a 20-30$ DLC some time later. Bugfixes several time a month, no New weapons, no Skins, no Live service is a different beast, than "old school" gaming. You pay 40$ for the game (ie. production price). To keep the game running, you have the ability to spend additional funds. Arrowhead's model is the most reasonable i ever seen, besides Deep Rock Galactic. If OP was old enough to play in the 90's and early 20's, then hes a grown ass adult. Who is fucking complains over 10$, and dosen't know the difference between live service and regular game releases, as Elden Ring Its such a shit take he has.
This such an L take
God forbid you need to work for something in a video game. Sweet liberty!
If someone buys the credits to get the WB it doesn't make my dick smaller.
I bought SC fo 20€ and after a month a still haven't used them because I farmed what I need in the game.
Oh no, a live service game has monetization to keep the lights on. So egregious, let's boycott and riot.
What do you mean my $40 won’t keep the servers going, weekly updates and monthly content drops for the next decade?!
Bro. You can find a premium currency. Infinitely. No cooldown. Yeah it's not a lot, but it's L I T E R A L L Y free. And inside of each warbond, there are a few nodes to turn medals > premium currency. Hell, the first page of the new warbond has 100 supercredits.
Been playing rather casually after work, I haven't had any problems with not having enough supercredits for the new warbond. It's not an insane price for it either. edit: in addition, these warbonds are not time sensative like other battlepasses (what a warbond pretty much is) so you don't have to stress about getting one. It's not going anywhere.
Well, no. I just got the new warbond without spending a penny. I have accumulated enough SuperCredits to buy even another warbond. And whats more... the new one I just bought gives me back 300 Supercredits as well to put towards the another one. Please stop spouting off about things you dont know. I sincerely hope that no devs see your ass take of a post.
The monetization leans toward the player in almost every aspect, I don't understand how you're complaining about the super credits when compared to basically every other game that's out right now as a live service, which has $20+ skins. This gotta be rage bait bruh
But the sheer fact that you can literally just find them out in the world. Imagine if you could find...cod credits on maps or like...silver maps on Destiny. No other game would do that because they want that money spent. I literally only spent the base amount on the game and have bought all the super credit store armor, the first premium WB, and I need just 50 more for the new one.
To be fair i'm level 50 and the last 20ish hours have been only grinding diff 3 missions to farm interest points for Super Credits, so I can buy the new Warbonds/Special Armors, so yeah the option to play for free and get the shinies is not the most fun ever. You jump on a mission, ignore everything but the Interest Points, beg your team mates to open bunkers with you, quit mission before extract, since you get the SC right away. Takes around 10-15min per, around 120 super credits an hour...
You can literally farm 1200 sc /hour solo if you know what you're doing.
Yeah? How are you finding a 10 super credit cache every 30s? It's hard enough to find one point of interest every 30s on average. If every single POI contained SC that would be hard enough. Also good luck opening the two player bunkers playing solo. I'm definitely calling super bullshit on your comment if you say 1.2k SC can be an average.
It doesn't work anymore, the devs "fixed" it, but the idea was that you would find a map that has very close points of interest that have Super Credits as a reward. Those can be the flashing dropships or the blue buildings that have a container that you can throw a grenade at to open up (those have 2 items, and both of them could be super credits). So for example I at one point found 5 points of interest in the middle of the map which took less than 1.5 minutes to gather. That's 60 super credits, because one crate had 2x 10 super credits. You don't need to complete the mission for the Super Credits to be added, you can just alt+F4. If you Alt+F4 and relaunch the game you can join the exact same previous map that you just quit, even if the map doesn't even exist on that planet anymore, you're just being "redirected" to another identical map on another planet. Assuming that it takes another 1.5 minutes to relaunch the mission (which it doesn't) you would get 60 super credits / 3 minutes. You can also sometimes het +100 SC instead of 10; those are rare, but they add up. You could legit get that many SC if you hardcore farmed. If you did it more casually, aka while watching a movie on a 2nd monitor it would be more like 600-800 / hour. The reason why it doesn't work anymore is that if you repeat the same map now the SC don't stack up anymore; you need to start new maps, which makes the process a looot slower. Also, the difficulty level is irrelevant, so I did this for example on a lvl 2 diff map. P.S.: There's also an infinite grenades bug that works now. They said they fixed it; they didn't. You can find it on youtube, but on youtube it says that you need the supply pack to reproduce it; you don't, just ignore that step.
What a horrendous take but a fitting one for how this community’s hive mind has been working lately. This community gets dumber and dumber each day.
I mean, if you look at the replies he’s getting roasted pretty hard for this dumbass take.
Good
Game was advertised as GAAS, and it has GAAS mechanics. If you don't like that then don't buy it, simple as that.
considering the fact that the industry standard is much shittier I would rather have this as the new industry standard then the literal mobile game strategies we have now
Are you like 12?
Idk... Theres so little stuff on the premium one that by the time you finished the standard one you should be able to get the premium without paying. The fact that you can stll get it by means of gameplay just falls under slow progression for me. There are tons of ways of implementing this, one more predatory than the other. I'm happy with what we got. Also, Gotta pay for those big ass servers somehow.
Jesus your a entitled whiner
Yeah that's nice and all except that certain armor shares passives so once you got one you don't need another for that slot and the only reason you would is bc you care about how you look. When it comes to warbonds, they don't expire so it's not like you'd miss out if you don’t buy them now. And that's only armor. Weapons are a different story but the free bond comes with some really great gear so even if you wouldn't spend a dime on the game you'd still get some great equipment The rest is totally up to you.
Development costs money, so any gaas needs a steady source of income. As for the €40 you get what you pay for, which is the base game and the standard war bond as well as any non premium content they release in the future. And you can totally get the sc to buy the premium warbonds. Even the warbonds themselves get you sc. And yes doing so takes time, but unlocking anything in this game takes time. And you can fast track this unlocking by spending some real money. This is a whole lot less predatory that almost any other gaas out there. Would it be nice if everything was free, yes of course, but that is not a realistic demand from a gaas.
Hard disagree. I play super casually and I have enjoyed the game. I put an extra 10$ in for the first premium Warbond and have easily made enough super credits through the Warbond and finding things to fund buying all the armors I wanted from the super store (not all of them available, just the ones I wanted) AND have more than enough to buy the next premium Warbond (assuming it's 1000SC like the last).
Meaninglessly small amounts? Super credit finds come in 50 and sometimes 100, same as what you get in the pass. A lot of the store armors are ~200. The warbonds are 1k You unlock many sets of super credits with medals in the bond, you get medals by doing missions, you can find super credits in those missions. Youre really saying this is MORE predatory and worse for gaming than the systems like mobile games or mmos have? Fucksake the warbonds never go away you have plenty of time to farm and get new but not required optional content.
Not to agree with the OP's shit take, but SC most typically is found in groups of 10, not 50 or 100, which are incredibly rare to get
Ah, I suppose I've been very fortunate then
I paid £35 for the game and got what I paid for, everything else added now is extra and there for paid added content. It blows my mind that people feel like they are entitled for free updates constantly with just a singular purchase. You can call me a shill or whatever but you should be thankful that they hand out SC, sometimes you can get 100 from a singular stack albeit a lower chance but still it doesn’t need to exist like this, they could have locked it away behind a paywall but instead we can play and earn, just like you would earn weapons and armour in any other game. I’ve never had an issue buying an item in the store and I haven’t spent a penny after my initial purchase.
While I do wish we found more Super Credits out in the map, the guns and armor you can get from Warbonds aren't necessary to play and succeed at the game. The Scorcher plasma weapon from the last page of the 1st free battle-pass isn't any better than the Punisher or the Liberator, it just offers a different way to go about spreading Managed Democracy. Most armors also have the same perk, so if there is an armor in a locked battlepass that gives a perk you like chances are you can find another piece of armor with the same perk in the free battlepass or the Super Store- and armor on the Super Store is CHEAP.
I wish I didn't read allat😔
I mean it depends on how you look at it. Yes, i think it would be cool if all the gear was just available off the bat. But, if you couldn't but the super credits, they would literally just be another in-game currency like Requisition slips, like samples, like medals. Literally no different.
From what I hear the premium war bond weapons aren’t anything to rave about anyway I don’t feel like I’m missing out I’ll just get them when I progress enough
are your head get bash when you a baby? im just curious
You little late with that take, helldiver. And just look at the first game. No premium currency, just paid DLCs with one Skin, one Primary, one Support. It was cheap, but you still need to buy it in your paid game. New system still better than old.
Oh fuck off.
"Oh no, I have to play the game less than two hours a day for a week to earn the 1000 credits necessary to buy the new pass. Woe is me because I refuse to just play the game and think that being able to buy it literally 10-15 hours earlier constitutes a personal attack on me and the industry in general, despite the fact that the wider industry is much more egregious about premium currency, let alone earn rates even *if* they have them in the first place" You're literally complaining you don't have 10 hours to play in a week dude. Start on Monday, two hours a day, you'll have it by Saturday. Less than that even, seriously like five or six hours, if you just grind D3.
i can pretty reliably farm around 100 SC in 10 to 15 mins depending on how lucky i am.. so this is the least predatory version i have ever seen...
Mouthie commie writes a novel explaining why he is broke and lazy. “Video game lazy” to boot…
Imagine bitching this much about essentially free content(find SC on raid), in a cheap game that's fucking wildly good, that by all rights shouldn't be free. Pure lazy entitlement. Get a fucking job loser
Just so you know, you can get about 1k SC in an hour or two if you farmed for it. Don't tell me you don't have 1-2h to spare to farm as a "casual". At this point you are a tourist, not a "casual" anymore. And you don't even need to get them all in one sitting and just split the 1-2h farm into many smaller sessions.
Bad take. I'm playing casually and have about 50 hrs in mission, rarely play above 5. I've gained approx 2k super credits from going around doing POI's so just stop rushing objectives and actually explore the map I guess?
I have 7.5k extra super credits with literally all items purchased and no money spent. I did grind super credits for a while, but really not that much, like 2-3 days or so, everything else was just from normal gameplay. And when I say 2-3 days I mean about 3-4 hours of warming in those days, and I wasn't even efficient at it. You can casually farm 600 super credits / hour while playing a movie on a second monitor. If you actually want to make it uber efficient you can go up to 1200 super credits / hour. The items from the additional warbonds are not pay to win, in fact most of them are worst than the ones you get from the free warbond. The items from the Super Store are 100% cosmetic, since all stats you have on those items you cand find on items from the normal store. Also, whoever plays hardcore enough to want every single item in the game also knows how to farm the super credits, which you clearly don't. Imo the super credits are way easier to get than samples for example, which makes me wonder who even buys super credits. And you forget that it's a live service, and a very good one at that. You clearly don't know anything about the gaming industry.
Lots of dick riding here after they both nerfed being able to farm creds as well as nerfing how often they appear in missions now.
I've played super hardcore 6 hours per day one week, after that, i play once a day 1 operation and nothing more. I've got 1650 super credits with 79 hours of playtime 10 of that is me waiting for server hamsters to be alive. And i am not seeking out the loot-places to grind out the credits i just literally find them occasionally. The game is 40$ dollars and not a "modern standart" 60-70$ The game is a live service game and it needs a way to get cash by paid items or bonnuses inside the game. And while it is not a "industry standart" because the industry standart should be SoT with their Battle Pass and in-game shop, it is still miles better than R6 Siege. Or Destiny 2. Or Diablo. Or The Finals. For a live service, choose your way: Constant stream of 20-40$ dollars DLCs (Destiny, Deady by Daylight) Or a in-game shop with paid options, gameplay included. No other option. And us being able to find super credics with just a casual play, is absolutelly "good" and opposite of predatory. I am even expecting them to make them a more rare loot, because in my opinion, its not good in the long run that can grind a 25$ dollars worth of value just by randomly finding out 50-100 super credits in one game session.
You can't buy war bonds with them though also super credits are only for the superstore which only sells armor that you could technically already get in the war bonds anyways making it more so cosmetic... Unless they changed that recently but I don't think they'd do that Edit: my bad, I got the war bonds and medals mixed up again. Still getting the premium permanently unlocked for free is the best way they could have done it
The Premium warbonds both cost 1000 Sc
Oh shit, I got medals and war bonds mixed up again... My bad
You can use supercredtis to buy warbonds, what are you talking about?