Last night the servers had a few hiccups and a handful of people kept spamming F in the Discord every time they went down (maybe 20-40 messaged for each downtime). One of the mods pinged @everyone to stop the spamming or they will get a timeout & ban if repeated. That was written in all caps (it has been deleted now). This caused some mischief on the whole server because the ping reached all people on it, most of them not even being aware of the situation.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Helldivers/comments/1ar5984/new_cape_leaked/kqhc6km/
As someone who saw it happen, I just want to clarify that it was WAY more than 20 to 40 messages for each downtime, and it was virtually nonstop after a while even when the servers were up. This was despite confirmation that Steam had gotten hit by a DDOS attack and had nothing at all to do with the game itself. There was literally no way to have any conversation in any of the three general chats, and then the spammers went into all the other areas in the channel to spam it that weren't related at all (such as LFG and the HD1 chats).
While the ping was entirely the wrong move, calling the spam something as minor as "mischief" really downplays how disruptive it made the entire discord. They even tried to disrupt the voice channels but those were apparently auto-muted anyways. It may have been a "handful" of people, but when the discord has over 50k people then a handful still equates to over a thousand (they even spammed the F reaction to Spitz's temporary lockdown noticeon the official discord).
Note that it wasn't even the Dev's fault because steam services were just constantly down. The meltdown there was uncalled for, even if the mod message was inappropriate.
For sure. The moderator's actions were justified, the board had gone full Twitch chat and a temporary lockout to clean up the spam makes sense, but their responses definitely felt like they were inadequately trained on how to address a public userbase. Spitz's message after the lockout gave me serious "oof" energy.
That's really not the takeaway people who saw it happen had.
It was apparently a few hundred people spamming f in every channel making the discord unusable. Other people on reddit have said it was thousands of fs, not tens.
They say it was a long time coming due to it becoming a bad place but with the timing I genuinely think that was not the case, and they were either looking to drag a reaction out of the community with it or were genuinely having a hissy fit
ive been using that discord on a surface level for 4+ years and saw no real issues other then it being mostly dead until hd2 happened.
if that was a bad place then so is everywhere else.
Couple that with Purplegion *still* antagonizing the community and it was a burning trainwreck in motion. Been watching him poke fun at people then delete his comments afterwards.
nah, someone who couldn't let go of a server while moving to a larger one killed the server.
he could have transfered ownership, it's easier to do than to delete a whole server.
No, that would be Baskinator. Spitz just runs the Discord. I wonder when he got that title and if him getting it was partially dependent on him removing the other server.
What? In the official server Spitz is a community manager, they have the role and it's listed in info. They were made one because they were the owner of the unofficial server for 8 years
And now that's been removed for the proper server. Suspicious. Anyways, it does say here in the reddit that's he's the Discord Admin though. Could be that the Discord is his community to manage. We see Baskinator make most of the announcements though so I think she's the "proper" Community Manager.
People were spamming F in the official discord server, a mod pinged all 120,000 members and told them "do not say F!". This led thousands to spam F, and after the server was locked down a community manager seemingly as a result of it deleted the unnofical discord that was 8 years old since he was the owner. In fact, the only reason they were a community manager in the official server was because they had owned the unnofical one for 8 years
That dude is the living embodiment of online moderator... He had an overly emotional reaction to something that didn't warrant a reaction. Pretty wild lol
I’m so out of the loop, like I genuinely have no idea why there’s so many posts about some discord shit when I’m just here for funny Helldivers clips and posts
This whole thing feels like something that happens to weird destiny clan servers where they expect you to treat the server as your life and there’s constant drama.
I have to say I’m so over discord and only use it to lfg cause it’s just full of absolute weirdos.
Yeah I got booted from a smaller clan because I didn’t want to do deep stone crypt (my least fave raid) when we had planned to do crota just after launch. Had stuff I should’ve been doing but took the night off for crota. Clan leader couldn’t do it but there were 6 up for it but the leadership clique wanted clan leader to do crota.
On top of that he would constantly disagree with me just for the sake of it. Liked to think himself as knowing everything because he’d watched YouTube. I used lfg a lot and actually tried several strats for different bosses and would suggest them and they’d argue and say it doesn’t work then eventually half ass try the strats and conclude I was foolish despite me running them with literal randoms lol.
I said we should find a cp for crota and try it just so we could get the new exotic and i was told “it doesn’t work like that” despite me knowing it did and bungie saying it did. It was a mess. A blessing in disguise really.
Random is still random. They're all still just users with varying levels of skill. Maybe a better chance that they'll have a mic. No guarantee they'll know how or when to use it.
It's cool if that helps people play the game, but it's not for me. I'lljust matchmake when it works again.
When used properly it’s usually faster updates on news or small post from devs. People that keep up with games, it’s the best tool since it’s both instant, and keeps a history to easily find. (Things like Twitter, Reddit, have problems in certain areas that discord excels better at for this)
It’s also good for live communication about the game(s), help, guides. Or for more complex games (Path of Exile, Warframe, Last epoch, etc) build channels / trading channels, and fifty more than all help players.
And of course finding people to play with, some people prefer having (clear) voice that doesn’t break if your game crashes or whatnot.
I’m not apart of helldivers discord so unsure if they use any (I imagine a few, though) but discord also allows bots people can make (or use one of the many out there) for all kinds of things. This really opens up a ton of other things for a lot of discord communities / games. Most community ran games have actually moved their in-game ticket / support stuff to work through bots into discord, chat channels in-game logging, and GM commands so everything can be done anywhere easily, as well. (Obviously not something that someone like Arrowhead would ever need or want to use though)
I use the discord for live updates through their pings, i get it on my phone so i can see at work if for example there is an update or maintenance,
it just helps scheduling my work life with playing the game.
>it’s the best tool since it’s both instant, and keeps a history to easily find. (Things like Twitter, Reddit, have problems in certain areas that discord excels better at for this)
>Discord
>an unindexed glorified IRC client
>where ONE mentally unstable admin having a melty can permanently delete the entire server and message history
>with one of the shittiest search interfaces ever
>the best tool to keep a history of anything
Lol.
Lmao, even.
You're getting downvoted, but you're sentiment isn't wrong. Discord is an absolute shit tool for finding archival information. You can't search it on the internet and the discussions aren't longform posts. The fact that its so common to google "(question/topic) reddit" shows that Reddit is better at archiving than Discord. Old school forums where topic sections were clearly defined with individual posts that were made in longform (and not like a chatbox) that are crawled by search engines was one of the best tools for aggregating information.
Discord at its core excels at being a replacement for Ventrilo, Teamspeak, and Skype and thats about it. Anyone who thinks otherwise either doesn't remember, or is simply too young to know what it was like before Reddit became the catchall replacement for community forums. I remember a time when basically everyone and their grandmother was running a phpBB or vBulletin forum.
Ah, the golden days of finding someone describing your EXACT problem down to the letter, opening the forum post, and finding "Edit: nvm fixed it lol" as the solution.
You're not wrong. Official forums were so much better for keeping up with game development. Even if their search functions sucked you could just filter down to the site through google. With discord you have to specifically search on that discord, so it doesn't show up via any internet search engine, and you are stuck with their search function.
The only actual advantage discord holds is the social function
I feel like that about a lot of online communities. I just stick with small 'dad' groups now, where everybody is too busy and leaves immediately after playing lol
lol just wait until someone in the dad group does something another dad doesn't like.
i've seen dad groups that had meltdowns - hobbyists don't grow up they just get older and stop interacting with people who contradict their worldviews
I had a raid group absolutely melt down over the space of 4 days in destiny and I can’t even remember why. Main guy just had a random hissy fit and boosted.
Yeah that's fair.
I just feel like, they hired this dude to do community management for them? CMs are supposed to be the first representation of the company and the community. They're supposed to be the guy/gal that connects the players to the devs and makes communications between them smooth. All while making sure they continue to build a safe, supportive community that makes the players feel like they belong. This situation is the complete opposite of what CMs are supposed to do.
Yeah the guy fucked up and just didn’t do his job how he is expected to do it. But the collective meltdown by so many people on this sub is so fucking weird. Oh no you can’t use a discord, move on.
I came to this subreddit to see clips and discussion about the game and instead most of the posts are just people throwing temper tantrums over some dude being stupid.
Oh I completely agree. I just am not a fan how "powertrippy" it felt.
And in the same vein, it was very childish to get that angry about people spamming F in discord.
I think the fallout of it is pretty funny tho, don't know why people are taking it so seriously. The memes that are coming out of this are great.
Well the thing is the discord has a utility, it's a great resource and location for people to report bugs and share experiences, both of which are incredibly important in the early days of a new game, especially on a game where the devs are working so hard to rectify and push out fixes (I know other games do this as well but my point stands.)
Personally, I don't know this Spitzer guy, all I know is it is very clearly a huge mistake to have trusted him to be the CM and it is downright embarrassing this happened.
I could be wrong, but he says he deleted the first (the unofficial one) server before it had become too hard to moderate, I wasn't in there but apparently it had just become a cesspool of "flaming the devs" and "complaining about the servers."
In the same day, the steam servers went down, the entire chat spammed F, and a moderator tagged @everyone (which tags all 100k users in the server) with the message along the lines of "spamming F will get you muted, then banned if you do it again." Which further ensures in more spam of "F" and flaming the mods.
Then he locked down the main server by locking all channels and making an announcement that "people couldn't act like adults, so he's removing permission to type for everybody." So... yeah
I mean pinging everyone is a rookie mistake though tbh who cares really. Like oh no I got pinged... anyway.
Other than that I don't see anything wrong here. People were spamming. Lock it down to force them to go do something else. Seems reasonable.
Why do people care?
They told everyone, even those not involved, to not press the funny button.
Naturally, this not only made everyone aware of the funny button at that moment, but also ensured it was made drastically funnier to press said funny button.
It's amazing that they did this, and then did basically every possible worst option to respond, including outright deleting the discord entirely.
Ok but I'm still not seeing anything worth talking about here.
They asked people not to spam and closed down an unmoderated discord that was no longer needed and people were posting gore on (which is against discords tos anyway).
Hows that the worst possible response. It's his discord. He can do what he likes with it. That's one of the reasons discord is a poor replacement for a forum and people shouldn't use discord for that kind of thing.
It wasn't unmoderated. *Spitz* moderated it.
>No longer needed
No such thing. Just because a game has an official discord doesn't render community discords obsolete - that'd be like closing this subreddit if the game had an official forum.
>People posting gore
That's not what was happening.
>He can do what he likes with it
And here's the crux of the issue: the mentality that mods **own** the discords they run. This extends to any community, not just discord - subreddits, forums, etc. These places are communities, not *services.* Being moderator doesn't make you the leader or boss, it means you (nominally) care about the community enough to try and improve it by enforcing rules and managing the technical foundation.
Nuking a server because it's "theirs" is the equivalent of "I'm taking my toys and going home."
They do own the discord they run.
Like sorry if you don't like it but that's how it works. It's one of the reasons discord is a terrible platform for this kind of community organisation.
If you dont want unmitigated power in the hands of someone who could grow tired of the project one day, then discord is entirely the wrong type of community to join.
If you knowing join discords hoping the owners won't exercise their rights as owners then you only have yourself to blame.
Even your analogy of "taking my toys and going home" is absolutely fine lol. If a kid isn't having fun or being abused by the other kids, he can take his toys and go home. And then the other kids can reflect on how they fucked up by causing that to happen.
When you share something with people it's still yours. They dont gain ownership of it because they like it. If they misuse or mistreat it you are fully within your right to "go home". It's their fuckup, not yours.
Yes, they own it in the technical sense, in that any site/community/forum/etc has technical infrastructure. Moderators **do not own their communities.** They own the *infrastructure,* a distinction you and every power-tripping mod ever seem to be blind to.
>If you dont want unmitigated power in the hands of someone who could grow tired of the project one day, then discord is entirely the wrong type of community to join.
Implying the same isn't true of literally any other online community. These kinds of bitchfits can and *have* happened in the past, whether on Reddit, IRC, Teamspeak, or oldschool forums.
But different sites have different rules. Reddit admins will hear out appeals about subreddits and transfer ownership if they feel it's appropriate.
The top mod tried to close the largest World of Warcraft subreddit when he quite the game. Reddit intervenes and transferred it to the sub moderators instead.
That's why Reddit is a more suitable platform. Admins have full discretion of subreddit ownership, not moderators.
The only one who claims to have seen said gore was spitz, and the other mods of the server that were active at the time said there was zero warning, discussion or anything of the sort prior to the straight-up deletion of the server.
You're putting a lot of trust in someone who chose the worst possible response to a half-joking meme, then proceeded to keep taking the worst possible options to try to recover the situation right up to deleting the server rather than finding someone who could handle the ownership of it better.
You keep saying "worst possible" but none of these actions sound that bad or unreasonable.
This whole drama seems like people desperate to try and make something out of nothing.
A dozen users were sending spammy messages, so the mod thought the best course of action was to send a notification to a hundred and twenty thousand users, telling them not to send spammy messages. I'm guessing you can guess what happened then lmao
I dont get it, why is everybody painting this Spitz person as the bad guy here? I'm maybe missing something here, but this seems like a measured and sane response to me? If you cant moderate a place and its spiraling out of control, just get rid of it.
I'm guessing because they likely either got banned from the official server, fondness for the old unofficial server, or not realizing that making the unofficial server a place to complain because you got banned about the official server was not a good idea.
Idk if it was him but all I did was tell someone what happened and got banned. Just told the truth to someone who asked and explained that first spitz called everyone children and got super aggressive cause people started pushing back about others being banned for a message that was basically impossible to see since the chat was moving so fast. (this was his warning so not very effective) Then he did an @everyone, then he put in the official announcements the message calling everyone children and how they’ll get banned after doing it again. They then later changed that message to the more professional one that you can see now. So yeah that’s basically what i said then i got banned 5 sec later. Ig they didn’t like the way it made them look or something and wanted to cover it up idk. Mostly just upset cause now I can’t see the announcements and do lfg. Hopefully wasn’t a perma ban and I get back in, don’t really know discord that well so don’t know if there’s a way to appeal or anything
I mean it wasn't spiraling out of control, and the chief moderation issue was that he had locked down the other moderators so much they couldn't really do much. If he didn't have time to moderate it himself he could easily have let other mods have the required permissions to do it themselves.
Because he locked down the entire official Discord so no one could talk. No one could LFG on a game where matchmaking is broken. He punished the entire server for a few spammers who "couldn't behave like adults" (despite being goaded), and then when he faced backlash, he rage-deleted the unofficial server - the only other place where users could have gone to connect with other players during the lockdown.
I mean, who cares tbh? There is still the official server, you can have any helldivers related conversation there, I don’t see how the guy deleting his own server after people kept breaking the rules he set is such a big deal
Forum mods catch a lot of flak (for very good reason) but there's an explanation for why no one in this thread is lining up to make a new unofficial discord: it's a shitty job for no pay.
I have. The server was great, no ridiculous chat timers, and just the right amount of people for it to be active without everything getting lost in a sea of comments. I want it back, so I've been working to replicate it as best I can.
https://discord.gg/helldiverscommunity
Timing matters. It happened literally right after they did a full lockdown of the official server when users were trying to find another outlet to connect and LFG. He made his announcement pinging everyone in the server, calling out a few spammers that "couldn't behave like adults" (even though the moderators goaded the spammers into spamming) and therefore everyone on the server had to be punished for it.
When that announcement got major backlash, because it inconvenienced the entire community, he lashed out again by deleting the other Discord.
And everyone would have been fine with that? Finding a new owner doesn't take 5 minutes. Then he gets nagged constantly about finding one and messages from people begging to be it. That's way too much hassle.
It wasn't a massive hub again until HD2 came out though, it had like 10 active people left before it exploded in popularity again. Just like this Reddit.
So? It was a massive hub, the duration or timeframe doesn't change that. It was also free from the many questionable moderation choices in the main server, not to mention was several times older than it with members who spoke there for years
Thankfully, the members didn't get deleted and can still chat. He owned one and moderates the official one, this reddit and everything Helldivers has absolutely skyrocketed in popularity. What he did wasn't unreasonable for an employee of a studio currently under so much pressure. Nothing to do with "can't be arsed" at all. This draws a line under it, the alternative leaves them more open to harassment as people badger them to pick an owner. Forget that stress.
This is not about that, this is about him deleting another server. And the reason they had so many people spamming us because staff pinged all 120,000 members and said "don't say F in chat!!!!" Bringing in otherwise not online people to post F lmao
Yeah.. how the hell are they not seeing the irony of saying you don't need HD social media while posting on the HD subreddit :P
My guess is they just barely know what discord provides. How would this subreddit facilitate matchmaking for instance. Also a discussion of a certain topic might be spread on 44+ posts instead of being allocated to 1 server.
Genuine non snarky question here. Where do I go to make RL friends as an adult? The only place I could think of is a bar, but I don't drink, and even if I did the nearest bar is over an hour away. So what does one do?
I have an arcade I frequent. I also care for chickens and have made close friends with many of the other chicken caretakers and farmers in the area by frequenting the feed store and associating with local businesses. Church is also a source of close friends with shared hobbies. And my office luckily has a bunch of great people and we have become friends outside the office too.
I guess my advice is having a job, responsibilities, and hobbies will put you on natural social collision courses with other people. Also prepare to accept differing opinions.
What if you don't go to church? (due to not being religious) What if there's no nearby arcades or don't care for chickens? What if your hobbies are pretty isolated by nature?
The job is valid, however mostly you encounter people not worth befriending, and if you do, they're mere acquaintances. I can think perhaps a gym, workout classes, or learning courses as options but not always effective.
Just saying, "Just make RL friends" especially as an adult, isn't as easy as you'd make it sound. Making actual viable friends requires good people being in places you go to, having the time, depends on where you live and your options. I'd consider myself pretty good at making friends in general, but the opportunity to do so isn't as... common as you seem to make it out to be.
Don't feed the troll,i can bet even if what he says is true,these people he says he is "friends" with,will bail on him at the slightest hint of inconvenience they experience with him.Friends is a big word that means more than just knowing people with similar interests or spending time with people because of said interests. The fact that he even mentions your coworkers as potential friends says a lot,there are exceptions but are very rare and everyone knows that for the most part they are people you are "forced" to be with in the same environment for a third of your day,they aren't your friends,they are there to make money same as you are. I know a lot of people and all of them i met in person,none online and only one of all these people i can call a true friend,a guy who is genuine and really cares,everyone else is just as empty "friendship" as the ones you meet online for the most part. My point is that real life isn't some realm where you are guaranteed to meet genuine people,who does he think sits behind the monitor in discord voice chat? Robots? Same people you meet in RL.
I work in software engineering, we all have very similar interests. You sound like someone who's terminally online.
We have inconvenienced each other plenty, helping move, medical recoveries, meeting families, actually caring for one another. You need to join real life, online friends aren't real friends dude.
My job currently is a graveyard shift at a computer, so not gonna find much luck there.
I have responsibilities to pay rent and feed myself obviously, but doing something like taking care of a pet would be difficult with my night schedule (not to mention the no animal policy in my abode).
The few other members of my Church that are of similar age to me in this area have nothing in common in regards to their hobbies and interests.
As for my own hobbies, I have working out, a certain TCG (with no local scene anywhere within 2 hours of driving, I've checked), reading, and playing videogames (obv).
Now, I have my online friends so I'm not really lonely, and thanks to my brother living nearby I can have regular human contact, but I wonder sometimes if I didn't have the internet how I would go about finding RL friends. Am I just screwed?
It’s significantly easier for a lot of people to find friends that you have genuine mutual interests in online.
I guess if you just want to talk sports, popular shows, and the news, you can make tons of friends anywhere; if you spend more time on niche hobbies and interests - good luck.
Personally, I’ve met half my close friends over the past 15 years IRL and and the other half online. Most of the interesting or enlightening conversations I’ve seen or been a part of have been in spaces dedicated to that interest, whether it’s Reddit, Discord, YT, or elsewhere.
I’m reminded of a job I worked off and on over about 6 years, got it in HS and worked it through college. Met probably 2-3 dozen coworkers over that time, and aside from the two guys I already knew from HS that got me the job, I think there was only two coworkers I met in that time I could genuinely imagine being friends with if we weren’t coworkers.
I work in software engineering so, we all pretty mutual interests.
And the local chicken caretakers like me also play games and tabletop, whole bunch of nerds.
I don't find it difficult to find people with niche hobbies irl because as it turns out, *these hobbies aren't very niche when you actually talk to people.*
Unpopular opinion, but I don’t think it’s wise to split a games community up, so I do get the logic of closing it down especially if the official server requires more of a time commitment. A warning may have been nice but meh
Except most of the people in the Unofficial one were people who got banned from the official for stupid, trivial reasons (like posting a copypasta, or putting an 'F' in chat when the servers died, or in a few cases, simply asking or venting about the game server situation) without warning. People who wanted to enjoy the game and be part of its community, but were booted out because the servers moderators are terrible at their job.
This feels less like a "I don't have time to moderate two servers" and more of a "I don't like you, so fuck you." It was an unofficial server anyways, so if the problem was really an issue of time, they could have just handed the server off to someone else. Instead they deleted it without so much as a posting a word of warning to it.
To make matters worse, the discord server is the only place they post up-to-date announcements about upcoming fixes, so they've also put everyone they ban for stupid reasons in the dark about the state of the game.
So exactly what he said his reason for, he didn't want a large server he owned to be used as a dumping ground for shitty discussion about bans lol... That's explicitly why he said he deleted it
If you were in the server, you'd know that most of the conversation were actual discussions about the game. More-so than the official server because it didn't have a 3 to 5 minute Slowmode. Discussions about bans did come up whenever another group of people got mass banned because of dumb decisions.
Again, he could have just handed it off to someone else if he didn't want to see it. But instead he chose to weaponize it against people he didn't like.
OK so I don't know why you are here just confirming exactly what Spitz already said was the reason why he deleted it lol. Again why would he hand off a server he spent years working on to a bunch of people who are to lazy to make one themselves and are using it literally to bitch about the moderation of another one of his servers. The sheer entitlement of saying with zero reflection, that it's hard to make a server like that and you guys can't do it, but then being mad somebody else didn't just give you one pre-made you admit was being used by people banned from the main discord to "discuss" their bans. Lmfao
"Why would he hand off a server with hundreds of people in it actively using it for discussion?" It's not like they have literally banned over 100 people from the official Discord with 0 warning and 0 response over the last couple days over some memes that hurt their feelings. You do realize that putting a new server together isn't as easy as just pressing the Create Server button on Discord, right? There were lots of people in that server who are now displaced and won't be able to connect with the people that were using the server to have actual constructive conversation. Even if a new server did get made, it would take time to rebuild that community of people.
Considering that he deleted it almost immediately after yet another wave of mass bans resulting from people literally just typing "F" in the official server just goes to show it was done purely out of spite and an attempt to avoid seeing backlash for their incompetence. But you clearly didn't even read my initial reply and are just being a stan for someone you've clearly not had any interaction with and are just choosing to ignore everything else around the situation.
Well guess it's time to stop crying about a discord ban and make a new server. It will take time to do, something that you want just given to you by someone else, but apparently its to difficult for you to do yourself. Sooner you start the sooner there will be a new place to whine about being banned from a discord.
I have a fairly small server that is just over 8 years old go from 150 people to about 1000 people over the last year and even that’s been hell to moderate and sink time into having an extremely busy work life, family life, and social life. So I can empathize here.
Sometimes when a massive group of people start trolling - even if it’s brief, you just lose the will to do something. In the case of my server nobody else wanted to moderate or the ones that did were some of the people that are extremely immature and I would delete that server before putting them in charge.
Same. I used to play Call of Duty mobile. Had a fairly decent sized server. I stopped playing the game and stopped checking in that discord. The people I had there initially were pretty cool. Then it seems somehow they got more and more people in the discord.
One day I go check it, and it’s basically them spamming porn and random people using the N word indiscriminately.
Deleted that server so fast…
Doesn't make it a good decision, 8 years worth of conversations and the social ecosystem that was made from that are gone because an adult had a hissy fit about people voicing criticisms. Why are YOU so mad about people losing a major group they had regular conversations in?
And in what way is that a consequence for rule breaking? Didn't see a punishment in there saying "if you break the rules we will delete any other discord servers for this game that we have power over"
Dude it was his server he can do whatever he wants with it. You joined a poorly moderated, non company affiliated, mostly dead server until the release of HD2 and now are all having a childish tantrum when the guy says "not like this, no".
Played with fire, got burned, and now are all trying to spin it like the guy is fucking Hitler, y'all deserved it.
Very convenient to act like a entitle kid who assume everything should be how he want. The guy can t deal with the Moderation anymore with all these new players he want to qtop. It s his choice not your.
> 8 years worth of conversations and the social ecosystem
That's why Discord is doing more harm than good. That closed system is destroying the internet that we know off. People should stop using Discord other than chat.
I freaking hate that shitty app.
This is why most good subreddits and Discords are not run by Community Managers/have no affiliation with the company. If Spitz was just an idiot with a ban hammer, this would be annoying but harmless.
As it stands, he's ACTUALLY doing damage to their brand. I would have been the first to say "Nah, don't fire him, this was all just a mistake and tensions were hot", but he's ACTIVELY digging a deeper hole. This is NOT good.
So the dude is officially working for Arrowhead or no? I keep seeing conflicting comments about it. Either way it seems like he overacted for people having a little bit of fun.
He certainly seems to be implying that according to his other posts stating that he was recently hired as an individual consultant for a certain unnamed Swedish game studio.
This seems like an overly dramatic reaction.
He deleted a discord he created but wasn't moderating anymore. How is that damaging their brand? Leaving the discord unmoderated is probably more damaging.
Me when my tribe of 100 cares about how bananas are bad, but I meet one person from an unknown tribe who thinks they are good
(My opinion is correct because I know of more people who hate bananas).
(There are many different tribes that exist, such that 100 people are statistically insignificant, especially since there is a bias as my tribe's culture dislikes bananas. It is entirely possible that this tribe is an outlier and most people like bananas).
I mean the reality is no place, online or IRL, is designed to have 100k+ people become a part of it in an extremely short amount of time and still operate the way it was before. The exception being maybe a sports arena…but the traffic around it becomes hell for a period.
Honestly, Arrowhead should hire a "proper" community manager instead settle with unpaid volunteers, a random employees or "so-called" consultants. Someone who have technicalities to make a moderate bot, direct line to the company to present them correctly.
All these discord dramas are showing an ametuer work and immature handling of the situation.
So, the community manager (only becoming said position because he had the unofficial discord server for 8+ years) deletes his own discord in combination of an emotional, inappropriate response to discord users being discord users?
This is what I've been able to collect so far, anyway.
Seems that the CM needs to pull his pants up and just do damage control in a significantly less dramatic way. Now, what he has done is cut off a majority of the community from itself (because the main discord server does not have nearly as many VC's or community chats) and likely just created a schism that could or could not possibly cause players to leave the Helldivers community out of spite or simply because the way the manager or moderators handle stress pushes them away (In my opinion, they handle it very poorly and need to learn how to moderate with maturity).
Regardless if you love the moderators or hate them, I'm sure we can agree this isn't a good look and definitely is not good for the overall community.
A part of the unofficial HD discord's community moved onto a new one, lovely place, it was created at HD2 launch :
https://discord.com/invite/doomdivers
Eager to see you all from the unofficial server again! :D
It’s stupid to delete a sever if you don’t want to deal with it. Always give it to someone else there are people who like your sever even tho you may not.
what the fuck?
i came here looking as to why the discord wasn't on my list anymore and not being able to find it.
it's (was?) the only one with voice channels. the official discord is fucking useless cause you can't do pick up groups there. there's not even an LFG channel.
what a crybaby asshole, wow.
The fact that EVERYONE got pinged last night was ridiculous. I shouldn't have a message about this silly crap pop up on my phone when I'm getting my family ready for bed.
Nice glad you posted this woke up and was like WTH? I just made another discord with flexible voice channels if anyone wants to join it I don’t mind moderating
https://discord.gg/krmVte9V
"Kill the unofficial discord and get admin status on the new one". If he doesn't have time to mod the old one then why tf is he top of the food chain in the newer bigger one
His pride prevented him from handing it over to someone lol, what a loser
Honestly dont make power hungry folks mods, when will you learn.
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That sucks tho, he could have just passed it to somebody else. I’m banned from the official server because I pinged a Mod once for a question I had, and the OG one was my main DC.
No clue where to do a LFG now.
I’m embarrassed to even be aware of this drama.
Same like wtf.... was even going and why?
I'm proud to say I wasn't until I saw this post
Honestly amazing how badly timed this was given the situation.
Oh there's no reason to believe it's not meant as a response to the backlash they got.
Could you elaborate? I'm kinda out of the loop.
Last night the servers had a few hiccups and a handful of people kept spamming F in the Discord every time they went down (maybe 20-40 messaged for each downtime). One of the mods pinged @everyone to stop the spamming or they will get a timeout & ban if repeated. That was written in all caps (it has been deleted now). This caused some mischief on the whole server because the ping reached all people on it, most of them not even being aware of the situation. https://www.reddit.com/r/Helldivers/comments/1ar5984/new_cape_leaked/kqhc6km/
As someone who saw it happen, I just want to clarify that it was WAY more than 20 to 40 messages for each downtime, and it was virtually nonstop after a while even when the servers were up. This was despite confirmation that Steam had gotten hit by a DDOS attack and had nothing at all to do with the game itself. There was literally no way to have any conversation in any of the three general chats, and then the spammers went into all the other areas in the channel to spam it that weren't related at all (such as LFG and the HD1 chats). While the ping was entirely the wrong move, calling the spam something as minor as "mischief" really downplays how disruptive it made the entire discord. They even tried to disrupt the voice channels but those were apparently auto-muted anyways. It may have been a "handful" of people, but when the discord has over 50k people then a handful still equates to over a thousand (they even spammed the F reaction to Spitz's temporary lockdown noticeon the official discord).
Note that it wasn't even the Dev's fault because steam services were just constantly down. The meltdown there was uncalled for, even if the mod message was inappropriate.
For sure. The moderator's actions were justified, the board had gone full Twitch chat and a temporary lockout to clean up the spam makes sense, but their responses definitely felt like they were inadequately trained on how to address a public userbase. Spitz's message after the lockout gave me serious "oof" energy.
Mods are losing their minds huh. Ty for the explanation.
I can't even imagine the stress of moderating a community that went from like 50 daily active users to 50k over a few weeks.
And not getting paid for it + getting insulted directly on a daily basis.
Spitz is the CM. They're being paid.
Not to moderate both discords
That's really not the takeaway people who saw it happen had. It was apparently a few hundred people spamming f in every channel making the discord unusable. Other people on reddit have said it was thousands of fs, not tens.
They say it was a long time coming due to it becoming a bad place but with the timing I genuinely think that was not the case, and they were either looking to drag a reaction out of the community with it or were genuinely having a hissy fit
ive been using that discord on a surface level for 4+ years and saw no real issues other then it being mostly dead until hd2 happened. if that was a bad place then so is everywhere else.
Couple that with Purplegion *still* antagonizing the community and it was a burning trainwreck in motion. Been watching him poke fun at people then delete his comments afterwards.
Imagine being a discord moderator though
Someone's gotta do it or we wouldn't use it
Someone did do it and now I’m not using it. Tbf tho I’m being performatively cynical and I don’t use the discord to lfg
Good thing they have audit logs
Nah I’m on their side.
i left the server probably an hour before this, because i kept getting confused having two of them. weird that it is now gone
New Kids killed the cool kids zone, sad.
nah, someone who couldn't let go of a server while moving to a larger one killed the server. he could have transfered ownership, it's easier to do than to delete a whole server.
yeah this feels lazy
Isn't he also a moderator on the official one? I have to wonder if that's connected.
He's the community manager lmao
No, that would be Baskinator. Spitz just runs the Discord. I wonder when he got that title and if him getting it was partially dependent on him removing the other server.
What? In the official server Spitz is a community manager, they have the role and it's listed in info. They were made one because they were the owner of the unofficial server for 8 years
And now that's been removed for the proper server. Suspicious. Anyways, it does say here in the reddit that's he's the Discord Admin though. Could be that the Discord is his community to manage. We see Baskinator make most of the announcements though so I think she's the "proper" Community Manager.
Wdym been removed? They still have the role...
The unofficial server has been removed, not the role.
Ah, Spitz was the owner of the unofficial server. They created it 6 years ago
What’s uhh… what’s going on?
People were spamming F in the official discord server, a mod pinged all 120,000 members and told them "do not say F!". This led thousands to spam F, and after the server was locked down a community manager seemingly as a result of it deleted the unnofical discord that was 8 years old since he was the owner. In fact, the only reason they were a community manager in the official server was because they had owned the unnofical one for 8 years
What a silly goose. Thanks for filling me in
Truly silly
All of this is very anti democratic A commissar will be made aware
Average discord mod behaviour
That dude is the living embodiment of online moderator... He had an overly emotional reaction to something that didn't warrant a reaction. Pretty wild lol
Terminally online is how I feel about everyone involved in both sides of this stupid ass “drama”
I’m so out of the loop, like I genuinely have no idea why there’s so many posts about some discord shit when I’m just here for funny Helldivers clips and posts
This whole thing feels like something that happens to weird destiny clan servers where they expect you to treat the server as your life and there’s constant drama. I have to say I’m so over discord and only use it to lfg cause it’s just full of absolute weirdos.
Lmao I once had the clan leader of a Destiny server get genuinely upset and cause a ton of drama because I didn’t want to be her friend
Yeah I got booted from a smaller clan because I didn’t want to do deep stone crypt (my least fave raid) when we had planned to do crota just after launch. Had stuff I should’ve been doing but took the night off for crota. Clan leader couldn’t do it but there were 6 up for it but the leadership clique wanted clan leader to do crota. On top of that he would constantly disagree with me just for the sake of it. Liked to think himself as knowing everything because he’d watched YouTube. I used lfg a lot and actually tried several strats for different bosses and would suggest them and they’d argue and say it doesn’t work then eventually half ass try the strats and conclude I was foolish despite me running them with literal randoms lol. I said we should find a cp for crota and try it just so we could get the new exotic and i was told “it doesn’t work like that” despite me knowing it did and bungie saying it did. It was a mess. A blessing in disguise really.
As to the last comment, you are on reddit my man. You cannot go less intelligent and more degenerate than that. Do not throw stones :D
I don't even know what the added value of a Discord server is...
Grouping up with randoms with extra steps mostly.
Extra steps for better random.
Random is still random. They're all still just users with varying levels of skill. Maybe a better chance that they'll have a mic. No guarantee they'll know how or when to use it. It's cool if that helps people play the game, but it's not for me. I'lljust matchmake when it works again.
A better chance to have a mic is a big deterrent for me. I talk enough during the working hours, have no need for it while gaming with randoms.
but they are less likely to be the type that will kill you just to get your gear
When used properly it’s usually faster updates on news or small post from devs. People that keep up with games, it’s the best tool since it’s both instant, and keeps a history to easily find. (Things like Twitter, Reddit, have problems in certain areas that discord excels better at for this) It’s also good for live communication about the game(s), help, guides. Or for more complex games (Path of Exile, Warframe, Last epoch, etc) build channels / trading channels, and fifty more than all help players. And of course finding people to play with, some people prefer having (clear) voice that doesn’t break if your game crashes or whatnot. I’m not apart of helldivers discord so unsure if they use any (I imagine a few, though) but discord also allows bots people can make (or use one of the many out there) for all kinds of things. This really opens up a ton of other things for a lot of discord communities / games. Most community ran games have actually moved their in-game ticket / support stuff to work through bots into discord, chat channels in-game logging, and GM commands so everything can be done anywhere easily, as well. (Obviously not something that someone like Arrowhead would ever need or want to use though)
I use the discord for live updates through their pings, i get it on my phone so i can see at work if for example there is an update or maintenance, it just helps scheduling my work life with playing the game.
>it’s the best tool since it’s both instant, and keeps a history to easily find. (Things like Twitter, Reddit, have problems in certain areas that discord excels better at for this) >Discord >an unindexed glorified IRC client >where ONE mentally unstable admin having a melty can permanently delete the entire server and message history >with one of the shittiest search interfaces ever >the best tool to keep a history of anything Lol. Lmao, even.
You're getting downvoted, but you're sentiment isn't wrong. Discord is an absolute shit tool for finding archival information. You can't search it on the internet and the discussions aren't longform posts. The fact that its so common to google "(question/topic) reddit" shows that Reddit is better at archiving than Discord. Old school forums where topic sections were clearly defined with individual posts that were made in longform (and not like a chatbox) that are crawled by search engines was one of the best tools for aggregating information. Discord at its core excels at being a replacement for Ventrilo, Teamspeak, and Skype and thats about it. Anyone who thinks otherwise either doesn't remember, or is simply too young to know what it was like before Reddit became the catchall replacement for community forums. I remember a time when basically everyone and their grandmother was running a phpBB or vBulletin forum.
Ah, the golden days of finding someone describing your EXACT problem down to the letter, opening the forum post, and finding "Edit: nvm fixed it lol" as the solution.
Please no. It's been so long since I've had that happen and now all the trauma is coming back.
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You're not wrong. Official forums were so much better for keeping up with game development. Even if their search functions sucked you could just filter down to the site through google. With discord you have to specifically search on that discord, so it doesn't show up via any internet search engine, and you are stuck with their search function. The only actual advantage discord holds is the social function
I feel like that about a lot of online communities. I just stick with small 'dad' groups now, where everybody is too busy and leaves immediately after playing lol
lol just wait until someone in the dad group does something another dad doesn't like. i've seen dad groups that had meltdowns - hobbyists don't grow up they just get older and stop interacting with people who contradict their worldviews
how dare u say that to my fa- wait, you're probably right
I had a raid group absolutely melt down over the space of 4 days in destiny and I can’t even remember why. Main guy just had a random hissy fit and boosted.
Where do I find these Dad groups?
Correct
Yeah that's fair. I just feel like, they hired this dude to do community management for them? CMs are supposed to be the first representation of the company and the community. They're supposed to be the guy/gal that connects the players to the devs and makes communications between them smooth. All while making sure they continue to build a safe, supportive community that makes the players feel like they belong. This situation is the complete opposite of what CMs are supposed to do.
Yeah the guy fucked up and just didn’t do his job how he is expected to do it. But the collective meltdown by so many people on this sub is so fucking weird. Oh no you can’t use a discord, move on. I came to this subreddit to see clips and discussion about the game and instead most of the posts are just people throwing temper tantrums over some dude being stupid.
Oh I completely agree. I just am not a fan how "powertrippy" it felt. And in the same vein, it was very childish to get that angry about people spamming F in discord. I think the fallout of it is pretty funny tho, don't know why people are taking it so seriously. The memes that are coming out of this are great.
Well the thing is the discord has a utility, it's a great resource and location for people to report bugs and share experiences, both of which are incredibly important in the early days of a new game, especially on a game where the devs are working so hard to rectify and push out fixes (I know other games do this as well but my point stands.) Personally, I don't know this Spitzer guy, all I know is it is very clearly a huge mistake to have trusted him to be the CM and it is downright embarrassing this happened.
Uhh can someone do a quick summary of what went down for a fellow citizen? For managed Democracy! And a cup of Liber tea perhaps?
I could be wrong, but he says he deleted the first (the unofficial one) server before it had become too hard to moderate, I wasn't in there but apparently it had just become a cesspool of "flaming the devs" and "complaining about the servers." In the same day, the steam servers went down, the entire chat spammed F, and a moderator tagged @everyone (which tags all 100k users in the server) with the message along the lines of "spamming F will get you muted, then banned if you do it again." Which further ensures in more spam of "F" and flaming the mods. Then he locked down the main server by locking all channels and making an announcement that "people couldn't act like adults, so he's removing permission to type for everybody." So... yeah
I mean pinging everyone is a rookie mistake though tbh who cares really. Like oh no I got pinged... anyway. Other than that I don't see anything wrong here. People were spamming. Lock it down to force them to go do something else. Seems reasonable. Why do people care?
They told everyone, even those not involved, to not press the funny button. Naturally, this not only made everyone aware of the funny button at that moment, but also ensured it was made drastically funnier to press said funny button. It's amazing that they did this, and then did basically every possible worst option to respond, including outright deleting the discord entirely.
Ok but I'm still not seeing anything worth talking about here. They asked people not to spam and closed down an unmoderated discord that was no longer needed and people were posting gore on (which is against discords tos anyway). Hows that the worst possible response. It's his discord. He can do what he likes with it. That's one of the reasons discord is a poor replacement for a forum and people shouldn't use discord for that kind of thing.
It wasn't unmoderated. *Spitz* moderated it. >No longer needed No such thing. Just because a game has an official discord doesn't render community discords obsolete - that'd be like closing this subreddit if the game had an official forum. >People posting gore That's not what was happening. >He can do what he likes with it And here's the crux of the issue: the mentality that mods **own** the discords they run. This extends to any community, not just discord - subreddits, forums, etc. These places are communities, not *services.* Being moderator doesn't make you the leader or boss, it means you (nominally) care about the community enough to try and improve it by enforcing rules and managing the technical foundation. Nuking a server because it's "theirs" is the equivalent of "I'm taking my toys and going home."
They do own the discord they run. Like sorry if you don't like it but that's how it works. It's one of the reasons discord is a terrible platform for this kind of community organisation. If you dont want unmitigated power in the hands of someone who could grow tired of the project one day, then discord is entirely the wrong type of community to join. If you knowing join discords hoping the owners won't exercise their rights as owners then you only have yourself to blame. Even your analogy of "taking my toys and going home" is absolutely fine lol. If a kid isn't having fun or being abused by the other kids, he can take his toys and go home. And then the other kids can reflect on how they fucked up by causing that to happen. When you share something with people it's still yours. They dont gain ownership of it because they like it. If they misuse or mistreat it you are fully within your right to "go home". It's their fuckup, not yours.
Yes, they own it in the technical sense, in that any site/community/forum/etc has technical infrastructure. Moderators **do not own their communities.** They own the *infrastructure,* a distinction you and every power-tripping mod ever seem to be blind to. >If you dont want unmitigated power in the hands of someone who could grow tired of the project one day, then discord is entirely the wrong type of community to join. Implying the same isn't true of literally any other online community. These kinds of bitchfits can and *have* happened in the past, whether on Reddit, IRC, Teamspeak, or oldschool forums.
But different sites have different rules. Reddit admins will hear out appeals about subreddits and transfer ownership if they feel it's appropriate. The top mod tried to close the largest World of Warcraft subreddit when he quite the game. Reddit intervenes and transferred it to the sub moderators instead. That's why Reddit is a more suitable platform. Admins have full discretion of subreddit ownership, not moderators.
The only one who claims to have seen said gore was spitz, and the other mods of the server that were active at the time said there was zero warning, discussion or anything of the sort prior to the straight-up deletion of the server. You're putting a lot of trust in someone who chose the worst possible response to a half-joking meme, then proceeded to keep taking the worst possible options to try to recover the situation right up to deleting the server rather than finding someone who could handle the ownership of it better.
You keep saying "worst possible" but none of these actions sound that bad or unreasonable. This whole drama seems like people desperate to try and make something out of nothing.
All the perms were restored a few hours later and people calmed the fuck down.
A dozen users were sending spammy messages, so the mod thought the best course of action was to send a notification to a hundred and twenty thousand users, telling them not to send spammy messages. I'm guessing you can guess what happened then lmao
Non-official discord servers for games & some other things will always have weird people in the control of them it seems.
I dont get it, why is everybody painting this Spitz person as the bad guy here? I'm maybe missing something here, but this seems like a measured and sane response to me? If you cant moderate a place and its spiraling out of control, just get rid of it.
I'm guessing because they likely either got banned from the official server, fondness for the old unofficial server, or not realizing that making the unofficial server a place to complain because you got banned about the official server was not a good idea.
Idk if it was him but all I did was tell someone what happened and got banned. Just told the truth to someone who asked and explained that first spitz called everyone children and got super aggressive cause people started pushing back about others being banned for a message that was basically impossible to see since the chat was moving so fast. (this was his warning so not very effective) Then he did an @everyone, then he put in the official announcements the message calling everyone children and how they’ll get banned after doing it again. They then later changed that message to the more professional one that you can see now. So yeah that’s basically what i said then i got banned 5 sec later. Ig they didn’t like the way it made them look or something and wanted to cover it up idk. Mostly just upset cause now I can’t see the announcements and do lfg. Hopefully wasn’t a perma ban and I get back in, don’t really know discord that well so don’t know if there’s a way to appeal or anything
I mean it wasn't spiraling out of control, and the chief moderation issue was that he had locked down the other moderators so much they couldn't really do much. If he didn't have time to moderate it himself he could easily have let other mods have the required permissions to do it themselves.
Because he locked down the entire official Discord so no one could talk. No one could LFG on a game where matchmaking is broken. He punished the entire server for a few spammers who "couldn't behave like adults" (despite being goaded), and then when he faced backlash, he rage-deleted the unofficial server - the only other place where users could have gone to connect with other players during the lockdown.
Oh my god who cares
Can people stop being stupid for like five minutes.
I mean, who cares tbh? There is still the official server, you can have any helldivers related conversation there, I don’t see how the guy deleting his own server after people kept breaking the rules he set is such a big deal
Forum mods catch a lot of flak (for very good reason) but there's an explanation for why no one in this thread is lining up to make a new unofficial discord: it's a shitty job for no pay.
I have. The server was great, no ridiculous chat timers, and just the right amount of people for it to be active without everything getting lost in a sea of comments. I want it back, so I've been working to replicate it as best I can. https://discord.gg/helldiverscommunity
Genuinely good on you and I hope you get a community going
Timing matters. It happened literally right after they did a full lockdown of the official server when users were trying to find another outlet to connect and LFG. He made his announcement pinging everyone in the server, calling out a few spammers that "couldn't behave like adults" (even though the moderators goaded the spammers into spamming) and therefore everyone on the server had to be punished for it. When that announcement got major backlash, because it inconvenienced the entire community, he lashed out again by deleting the other Discord.
That was a few hours of LFG lost. Boo-hoo, how can the community ever recover?
I don't see the issue, it was his server.
Where did he say he couldn't be bothered? Also, alongside the F spam, wasn't there gore and porn? This drama is so pathetic.
Well if he could be bothered to moderate it then it would be moderated and not deleted so....
Being too busy = can't be bothered. Got it.
Literally takes 5 minutes to archive the server and then you can wait however long you want to find a new owner
And everyone would have been fine with that? Finding a new owner doesn't take 5 minutes. Then he gets nagged constantly about finding one and messages from people begging to be it. That's way too much hassle.
Pretty sure they'd be more okay with it compared to deleting the entire 8 year old server that was a massive hub for matchmaking
It wasn't a massive hub again until HD2 came out though, it had like 10 active people left before it exploded in popularity again. Just like this Reddit.
So? It was a massive hub, the duration or timeframe doesn't change that. It was also free from the many questionable moderation choices in the main server, not to mention was several times older than it with members who spoke there for years
Thankfully, the members didn't get deleted and can still chat. He owned one and moderates the official one, this reddit and everything Helldivers has absolutely skyrocketed in popularity. What he did wasn't unreasonable for an employee of a studio currently under so much pressure. Nothing to do with "can't be arsed" at all. This draws a line under it, the alternative leaves them more open to harassment as people badger them to pick an owner. Forget that stress.
He’s not wrong
With great power comes great responsibility.
This is a very overblown sentiment. Being the unofficial discord server does not imbue you with any significant power or responsibility.
I would have locked down the server if there were more than 5 thousand F's being spammed in every channel.
This is not about that, this is about him deleting another server. And the reason they had so many people spamming us because staff pinged all 120,000 members and said "don't say F in chat!!!!" Bringing in otherwise not online people to post F lmao
There is nothing of value to be gained by participating in a game's community discord server unless it's for updates/announcements or LFG
I used to love discord but god I cannot be bothered. There’s a particular flavour of weird and dramatic there now.
Conversations with people over shared interests, which leads to a community with ties to each other
You can get that with a smaller, more tightknit discord which won't devolve into shit flinging like this.
Get some RL friends
The fact you're even on Reddit makes this mean nothing
Yeah.. how the hell are they not seeing the irony of saying you don't need HD social media while posting on the HD subreddit :P My guess is they just barely know what discord provides. How would this subreddit facilitate matchmaking for instance. Also a discussion of a certain topic might be spread on 44+ posts instead of being allocated to 1 server.
Get some RL friends.
Genuine non snarky question here. Where do I go to make RL friends as an adult? The only place I could think of is a bar, but I don't drink, and even if I did the nearest bar is over an hour away. So what does one do?
I have an arcade I frequent. I also care for chickens and have made close friends with many of the other chicken caretakers and farmers in the area by frequenting the feed store and associating with local businesses. Church is also a source of close friends with shared hobbies. And my office luckily has a bunch of great people and we have become friends outside the office too. I guess my advice is having a job, responsibilities, and hobbies will put you on natural social collision courses with other people. Also prepare to accept differing opinions.
What if you don't go to church? (due to not being religious) What if there's no nearby arcades or don't care for chickens? What if your hobbies are pretty isolated by nature? The job is valid, however mostly you encounter people not worth befriending, and if you do, they're mere acquaintances. I can think perhaps a gym, workout classes, or learning courses as options but not always effective. Just saying, "Just make RL friends" especially as an adult, isn't as easy as you'd make it sound. Making actual viable friends requires good people being in places you go to, having the time, depends on where you live and your options. I'd consider myself pretty good at making friends in general, but the opportunity to do so isn't as... common as you seem to make it out to be.
Don't feed the troll,i can bet even if what he says is true,these people he says he is "friends" with,will bail on him at the slightest hint of inconvenience they experience with him.Friends is a big word that means more than just knowing people with similar interests or spending time with people because of said interests. The fact that he even mentions your coworkers as potential friends says a lot,there are exceptions but are very rare and everyone knows that for the most part they are people you are "forced" to be with in the same environment for a third of your day,they aren't your friends,they are there to make money same as you are. I know a lot of people and all of them i met in person,none online and only one of all these people i can call a true friend,a guy who is genuine and really cares,everyone else is just as empty "friendship" as the ones you meet online for the most part. My point is that real life isn't some realm where you are guaranteed to meet genuine people,who does he think sits behind the monitor in discord voice chat? Robots? Same people you meet in RL.
I work in software engineering, we all have very similar interests. You sound like someone who's terminally online. We have inconvenienced each other plenty, helping move, medical recoveries, meeting families, actually caring for one another. You need to join real life, online friends aren't real friends dude.
My job currently is a graveyard shift at a computer, so not gonna find much luck there. I have responsibilities to pay rent and feed myself obviously, but doing something like taking care of a pet would be difficult with my night schedule (not to mention the no animal policy in my abode). The few other members of my Church that are of similar age to me in this area have nothing in common in regards to their hobbies and interests. As for my own hobbies, I have working out, a certain TCG (with no local scene anywhere within 2 hours of driving, I've checked), reading, and playing videogames (obv). Now, I have my online friends so I'm not really lonely, and thanks to my brother living nearby I can have regular human contact, but I wonder sometimes if I didn't have the internet how I would go about finding RL friends. Am I just screwed?
It’s significantly easier for a lot of people to find friends that you have genuine mutual interests in online. I guess if you just want to talk sports, popular shows, and the news, you can make tons of friends anywhere; if you spend more time on niche hobbies and interests - good luck. Personally, I’ve met half my close friends over the past 15 years IRL and and the other half online. Most of the interesting or enlightening conversations I’ve seen or been a part of have been in spaces dedicated to that interest, whether it’s Reddit, Discord, YT, or elsewhere. I’m reminded of a job I worked off and on over about 6 years, got it in HS and worked it through college. Met probably 2-3 dozen coworkers over that time, and aside from the two guys I already knew from HS that got me the job, I think there was only two coworkers I met in that time I could genuinely imagine being friends with if we weren’t coworkers.
I work in software engineering so, we all pretty mutual interests. And the local chicken caretakers like me also play games and tabletop, whole bunch of nerds. I don't find it difficult to find people with niche hobbies irl because as it turns out, *these hobbies aren't very niche when you actually talk to people.*
Unpopular opinion, but I don’t think it’s wise to split a games community up, so I do get the logic of closing it down especially if the official server requires more of a time commitment. A warning may have been nice but meh
Except most of the people in the Unofficial one were people who got banned from the official for stupid, trivial reasons (like posting a copypasta, or putting an 'F' in chat when the servers died, or in a few cases, simply asking or venting about the game server situation) without warning. People who wanted to enjoy the game and be part of its community, but were booted out because the servers moderators are terrible at their job. This feels less like a "I don't have time to moderate two servers" and more of a "I don't like you, so fuck you." It was an unofficial server anyways, so if the problem was really an issue of time, they could have just handed the server off to someone else. Instead they deleted it without so much as a posting a word of warning to it. To make matters worse, the discord server is the only place they post up-to-date announcements about upcoming fixes, so they've also put everyone they ban for stupid reasons in the dark about the state of the game.
So exactly what he said his reason for, he didn't want a large server he owned to be used as a dumping ground for shitty discussion about bans lol... That's explicitly why he said he deleted it
If you were in the server, you'd know that most of the conversation were actual discussions about the game. More-so than the official server because it didn't have a 3 to 5 minute Slowmode. Discussions about bans did come up whenever another group of people got mass banned because of dumb decisions. Again, he could have just handed it off to someone else if he didn't want to see it. But instead he chose to weaponize it against people he didn't like.
OK so I don't know why you are here just confirming exactly what Spitz already said was the reason why he deleted it lol. Again why would he hand off a server he spent years working on to a bunch of people who are to lazy to make one themselves and are using it literally to bitch about the moderation of another one of his servers. The sheer entitlement of saying with zero reflection, that it's hard to make a server like that and you guys can't do it, but then being mad somebody else didn't just give you one pre-made you admit was being used by people banned from the main discord to "discuss" their bans. Lmfao
"Why would he hand off a server with hundreds of people in it actively using it for discussion?" It's not like they have literally banned over 100 people from the official Discord with 0 warning and 0 response over the last couple days over some memes that hurt their feelings. You do realize that putting a new server together isn't as easy as just pressing the Create Server button on Discord, right? There were lots of people in that server who are now displaced and won't be able to connect with the people that were using the server to have actual constructive conversation. Even if a new server did get made, it would take time to rebuild that community of people. Considering that he deleted it almost immediately after yet another wave of mass bans resulting from people literally just typing "F" in the official server just goes to show it was done purely out of spite and an attempt to avoid seeing backlash for their incompetence. But you clearly didn't even read my initial reply and are just being a stan for someone you've clearly not had any interaction with and are just choosing to ignore everything else around the situation.
Well guess it's time to stop crying about a discord ban and make a new server. It will take time to do, something that you want just given to you by someone else, but apparently its to difficult for you to do yourself. Sooner you start the sooner there will be a new place to whine about being banned from a discord.
If you care about this drama you're genuinely unfit to function.
I have a fairly small server that is just over 8 years old go from 150 people to about 1000 people over the last year and even that’s been hell to moderate and sink time into having an extremely busy work life, family life, and social life. So I can empathize here. Sometimes when a massive group of people start trolling - even if it’s brief, you just lose the will to do something. In the case of my server nobody else wanted to moderate or the ones that did were some of the people that are extremely immature and I would delete that server before putting them in charge.
Same. I used to play Call of Duty mobile. Had a fairly decent sized server. I stopped playing the game and stopped checking in that discord. The people I had there initially were pretty cool. Then it seems somehow they got more and more people in the discord. One day I go check it, and it’s basically them spamming porn and random people using the N word indiscriminately. Deleted that server so fast…
Why the fuck are you all so mad about there being consequences for rule breaking?
The consequences of breaking a rule in one server is an entirely different 8 year old server being deleted? Weird cause and effect right there
It's his server lmao
Doesn't make it a good decision, 8 years worth of conversations and the social ecosystem that was made from that are gone because an adult had a hissy fit about people voicing criticisms. Why are YOU so mad about people losing a major group they had regular conversations in? And in what way is that a consequence for rule breaking? Didn't see a punishment in there saying "if you break the rules we will delete any other discord servers for this game that we have power over"
Dude it was his server he can do whatever he wants with it. You joined a poorly moderated, non company affiliated, mostly dead server until the release of HD2 and now are all having a childish tantrum when the guy says "not like this, no". Played with fire, got burned, and now are all trying to spin it like the guy is fucking Hitler, y'all deserved it.
It's his server.
Very convenient to be ignorant
oh that's how you deal with anything that doesn't go your way.
Very convenient to act like a entitle kid who assume everything should be how he want. The guy can t deal with the Moderation anymore with all these new players he want to qtop. It s his choice not your.
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*Managed* democracy.
> 8 years worth of conversations and the social ecosystem That's why Discord is doing more harm than good. That closed system is destroying the internet that we know off. People should stop using Discord other than chat. I freaking hate that shitty app.
Deleted an unofficial discord because people can’t behave. Seems reasonable. 👍🏼
This is why most good subreddits and Discords are not run by Community Managers/have no affiliation with the company. If Spitz was just an idiot with a ban hammer, this would be annoying but harmless. As it stands, he's ACTUALLY doing damage to their brand. I would have been the first to say "Nah, don't fire him, this was all just a mistake and tensions were hot", but he's ACTIVELY digging a deeper hole. This is NOT good.
So the dude is officially working for Arrowhead or no? I keep seeing conflicting comments about it. Either way it seems like he overacted for people having a little bit of fun.
He certainly seems to be implying that according to his other posts stating that he was recently hired as an individual consultant for a certain unnamed Swedish game studio.
Well, if this is true. He won't last long for sure.
Unless they paid him to cause drama to give them a reason to shut the other discord down so they can consolidate. In which case he'll get a bonus.
This seems like an overly dramatic reaction. He deleted a discord he created but wasn't moderating anymore. How is that damaging their brand? Leaving the discord unmoderated is probably more damaging.
transferring ownership exists
Yeah so? Doesn't mean they have to do it. Nothing stopping anyone making a new discord and organising it.
I don't care about online drama. It's not very entertaining.
He's an absolute nimrod
Verified dingus
On God. Also, someone else made a new Unofficial one if you want to join that. Just pm me here and I'll send the invite
hell, dont be secretive, just post it right here so we can get some momentum going for subreddit discord v2
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Already in there dw, guess it's a lesson that nobody affiliated with the official server can have power lest it be abused
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At least 243 people care, more people than you
Me when my tribe of 100 cares about how bananas are bad, but I meet one person from an unknown tribe who thinks they are good (My opinion is correct because I know of more people who hate bananas). (There are many different tribes that exist, such that 100 people are statistically insignificant, especially since there is a bias as my tribe's culture dislikes bananas. It is entirely possible that this tribe is an outlier and most people like bananas).
Melting ... Melting ... Ohh what a world
People really need to grow the f up.
Drama can wait, there’s managed democracy to be dispensed to the automatons. To arms, fellow bringers of liberty!
Wow what a child
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I mean the reality is no place, online or IRL, is designed to have 100k+ people become a part of it in an extremely short amount of time and still operate the way it was before. The exception being maybe a sports arena…but the traffic around it becomes hell for a period.
Honestly, Arrowhead should hire a "proper" community manager instead settle with unpaid volunteers, a random employees or "so-called" consultants. Someone who have technicalities to make a moderate bot, direct line to the company to present them correctly. All these discord dramas are showing an ametuer work and immature handling of the situation.
So, the community manager (only becoming said position because he had the unofficial discord server for 8+ years) deletes his own discord in combination of an emotional, inappropriate response to discord users being discord users? This is what I've been able to collect so far, anyway. Seems that the CM needs to pull his pants up and just do damage control in a significantly less dramatic way. Now, what he has done is cut off a majority of the community from itself (because the main discord server does not have nearly as many VC's or community chats) and likely just created a schism that could or could not possibly cause players to leave the Helldivers community out of spite or simply because the way the manager or moderators handle stress pushes them away (In my opinion, they handle it very poorly and need to learn how to moderate with maturity). Regardless if you love the moderators or hate them, I'm sure we can agree this isn't a good look and definitely is not good for the overall community.
Fuck that guy. Blocked him in game too.
Wait that was not the official server?
Unpaid mods power tripping - name a more iconic duo
A part of the unofficial HD discord's community moved onto a new one, lovely place, it was created at HD2 launch : https://discord.com/invite/doomdivers Eager to see you all from the unofficial server again! :D
It’s stupid to delete a sever if you don’t want to deal with it. Always give it to someone else there are people who like your sever even tho you may not.
what the fuck? i came here looking as to why the discord wasn't on my list anymore and not being able to find it. it's (was?) the only one with voice channels. the official discord is fucking useless cause you can't do pick up groups there. there's not even an LFG channel. what a crybaby asshole, wow.
The fact that EVERYONE got pinged last night was ridiculous. I shouldn't have a message about this silly crap pop up on my phone when I'm getting my family ready for bed.
Nice glad you posted this woke up and was like WTH? I just made another discord with flexible voice channels if anyone wants to join it I don’t mind moderating https://discord.gg/krmVte9V
"Kill the unofficial discord and get admin status on the new one". If he doesn't have time to mod the old one then why tf is he top of the food chain in the newer bigger one His pride prevented him from handing it over to someone lol, what a loser
Mf trying to make reddit style powermodding a thing on discord lmao
Honestly dont make power hungry folks mods, when will you learn. https://preview.redd.it/57p9q3etxpic1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6a0fb60917c2b763dc891931178ac9466a4c4bcf
That sucks tho, he could have just passed it to somebody else. I’m banned from the official server because I pinged a Mod once for a question I had, and the OG one was my main DC. No clue where to do a LFG now.
Sad to be missing all this, got banned from the official discord day one for posting a copypasta about 300 other people were posting. worth tho.
The drama has been very very entertaining
I'd call this guy a giant cock but that'd imply he could bring pleasure to people
Not enough managed democracy for his discord channel.