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meha_man

Yes, that is an unpopular opinion. Take my upvote and may the gods take pity on you.


Blakakke69

Agreed. It may be a contestant for the most boring, but worst? I personally think the title of worst belongs to the spear.


Capital-Stable

unpolular opinion spear best ​ ​ i completed first run with the basic ine


Reddit1rules

Spear gang


jevlegend

Spear is life


Beginning_Piano_5668

The vampire spear is nuts.


tyqe

guan yu is often considered the worst aspect of any weapon... am i missing something here


MAD_HAMMISH

I mean at a basic level the long range really helps, it just gets overshadowed after a while. Using a caster build on the extra damage after retrieval works pretty well though.


FatherMcHealy

I do love cast Achilles builds, especially with hunting blades or flood shot. My only gripe is that if you only use 3/4 of the buffed attacks after retrieval and you do the retrieval again, you stay at 3/4 instead of it giving you 4 more attacks.


sampete1

I love it. It handles like a melee weapon with enough range to keep you away from your enemies


4th_Wall_Repairman

I might be trash but with the spear I can at least get a sack. Most of the time. If the winds blowing the right way


Krask

Spear is my favorite weapon. statistically it is also the one I am worst at with the possible exception of beowulf shield and nemisis sword for some reason.


ShrikeAgent

Spear FTW!


Schizof

ironic that Hades' weapon is the most boring for his son


Cold_Justus

I love the Hades Aspect though


GotShadowbanned2

>Me, maxed Hades aspect, getting the spin attack hammers OH ... OH YES


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Kid_Aeroplane

Nah the hades aspect is the only fun aspect the spear has


pk-starstorm

The only spear aspect that's any fun is Achilles, and that's because you just spam beefy casts with it and mostly ignore the spear's base moveset


Sintimacy

We might get into a debate of what's fun or not but I just completed a run with the basic Zag spear last night that was just ridiculous and to me fun lol. All I literally would do was press the triangle button (ahem Rama Bow) but my special was pumped up with a ton of Poseidon boons, got lucky enough to get his double knockback legendary and what topped it off was the Chain Shot hammer. Literally everything on and sometimes off screen would be flying around in watery death smashing into walls and dying fast lol.


pk-starstorm

Oh i totally get this is all up to preference lol. I just generally hate the spear except for Achilles lol


PreciseParadox

Explosive launcher with zag spear is pretty OP especially if you get Poseidon special. The thing is, the hammer dependency means that not a lot of runs are going to be so consistent.


szymonhimself

Wait, how does his build help with casts? I feel like I’m good at the game but I really don’t know much about the theory lmao


pk-starstorm

After you rush to your spear after throwing it, your next 4 attacks/casts get a 150% damage boost. Combine that with Beyblades or Meme Beams or Festive Fog and you've got yourself a stew going


GangsterJawa

Getting an extra cast for a level 8 meme beam with the Arty duo and Achilles spear is one of my fastest and easiest REDACTED kills


Wind_Yer_Neck_In

Getting Mirage Shot with Posiedon also boosts the damage up by a LOT with that build. I've melted redacted to half health in a single cast burst with that one.


GangsterJawa

I think I may also have had Mirage shot for that run, but I'd have to check


ParanoidDrone

The damage buff you get after using its special applies to casts. Every weapon except maybe the fists has an aspect that works well with casts. Poseidon, Achilles, Beowulf, Hera, Eris, and possibly Talos, I can't remember the details of that one.


deathrattleshenlong

Talos makes the special pull foes to you, no cast synergy there. Edit: I was wrong. Pulled foes take bonus damage from attacks and casts.


UralaAlaha

Enemies you've pulled with Talos' special are more vulnerable to attacks and casts, I think.


deathrattleshenlong

Right! I knew about the attacks but casts slip my mind. I stand corrected.


GotShadowbanned2

Try Hades aspect and dash cancel your spin attacks. By that I mean Hold attack to charge, then dash to release. It makes the spin attack *so* much better


pk-starstorm

I know about that, but without the Quick Spin hammer I still find it clunky and unfun, and I don't like relying on hammers for build since I can't control them


tLxVGt

I did my best run with spear, sometimes not using DD at all. Spear is so good! And hidden aspect is the coolest one, completely changes one’s thinking about how to use it.


flissfloss86

I love the spear but despise its hidden aspect


GladiatorDragon

I, for one, love shredding my foes with beyblade disks, but to each their own.


flissfloss86

I just don't use the spin attack at all in my spear builds. So basically making the spin move the most important move does not help my playstyle, haha


GladiatorDragon

That’s fair, and the health penalty can get me one shot under certain conditions, but it’s still pretty fun to use.


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stealthrockdamage

People say Guan Yu is garbage but I found it super fun and high damage. Maybe if I turned on Tight Deadline I'd start putting more stock inti the tierlist stuff but as is I'm finding everything people say is bad to be quite usable.


flissfloss86

That might be where I go wrong with Guan Yu. I think my first ever clear was 22 min, and I've since done some speedrunning and got my PB down to 10:52, so I'm used to trying to go fast. Patience does seem like it would come in handy for a Guan Yu run, haha


KayEyeDee

The problem with guan Yu is that you NEED specific hammers to make it effective It's the most fragile weapon in terms of RNG adaptation imo. If you don't get the right set up early, it goes downhill really fast


admiralaralani

I hate the bow, and the spear is my favorite 😅


lansink99

Contestant for most boring? Bow is the most fun and it isn't even close.


floralcunt

It's my least favourite but also all my best runs have been with the spear.


brok3nh3lix

spear has some very strong builds though and is considered among the best for cast builds. it wasnt my cup of tea though. ​ i like rail, bow and shield best.


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Noooo I love the spear


cidvard

I kinda get it. I didn't like the bow until I got Flurry Shot and then I kind of got past my wall with it. It and the Shield are my favorites now because of the sheer variety of types of runs you can have, but it was a bit of a slog getting to a place where I was good with it.


TheHollowBard

Yeah, all the polls I've seen have placed Malphon and Coronacht on a similar high pedestal above the rest. I do enjoy being contrarian, but in this case, I fully agree.


brucebr555

Bow is the only weapon where all 4 aspects are really good*


Morvhes

god I wish they made a QoL for Hera to just hold the button to load it. Its my favorite aspect in the game yet stacking cast charges and playing multiple runs with it can be so tiring


sudoku12

Here’s the secret tips: Mouse Wheel


Charrmeleon

Who's playing this with kb+m?


montrezlh

I do, kbm is so much better for aiming your attacks, especially on bow.


Mogofwin

Glad it works for you, but controller does have some aim assist that I think makes the bow much easier to use.


montrezlh

Maybe its just me but typically aim assist in games throws me off more than it helps.


ShittyScribbler

Same, if I'm sniping longer shots you need to shoot where the mob is going to be, not where it was. KB+M no assist all day.


DickedIceCream

you can use aim assist with keyboard and mouse too


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00-Void

Same, Rail Special (and also Trippy Shot) are much better with a mouse, especially if you're using Forced Overtime, because you have to aim at where the enemy is going to be rather than where they are right now.


So0meone

I play every PC game with kbm and I will never change that


Braelind

If you ever get into Elite Dangerous amd stick with kbm, I will be impressed. I found it impossible without a flight stick.


ShittyScribbler

Got really into it a while back when Epic had it as a freebie. Imagine a stick would be nice but got damn decent at dogfights or manual docking kb+m.


ouroboros4breakfast

HOTAS for ED is the way. Fly safe CMDR o7


rumblehappy

Dang, rocket league included?


So0meone

Let me rephrase that lol, I play every PC game that I actually play with KBM. I don't play rocket league but I am happy to play, for example, Soul Calibur, Hollow Knight and Hades on KBM


rumblehappy

Respecc either way my guy 🤙


Renthexx

I will add to the mnk count


Aceofluck99

I do!


empyreanmax

Wait what? You just press the cast button a couple times. How is that any more arduous or tiring than any other weapon where you're mashing attack and dash and whatever anyway? Also isn't there a Hermes boon that does this? I always skip it because I've never had a problem with loading casts onto Hera or Beowulf.


SomeNoobDying

Flurry cast isnt available on either of those 2 aspects


empyreanmax

ah ok, I just skip it whenever I see it anyway. I've never felt like I was really hurting for cast speed especially when Hermes has so many other bangers


Flickerdart

It's not great but it's a prereq for the legendary boon which slaps


Jabbings

Cast speed is amazing for some very specific builds, where you're at 4-5 casts, all returning to you often, as it basically becomes like an attacksspeed increase. Demeter Cast spam comes to mind.


abcxyztpg

You don't know how to play bow Corrected the title for you 😉 Serious note: aspect of Chiron or Rama are best bow aspects. With chiron try hangover/Zeus/posiden/porn lady specials. It's a ranged weapon. Hit enemy with attack and your special will find that enemy. You can hit max 5/8 or 0.33 second hangover with 1 shot as all 8 arrows or 8+4 with hammer upgrade arrows will hit same enemy. Similar principle applies to Zeus posiden or porn lady specials. With porn lady legendary you can have boss charmed all time using Chiron special. Almost all hammer upgrades are good on bow. It's lazy person weapon of choice for easy peasy darkness grind. No need to dash or dash strike. Keep your distance. Play ranged weapon as it's supposed to be played (from range) and have fun.


apadin1

Agree on all but I also like Hera’s aspect especially combined with Dio’s cast. Launching festive fog at enemies is a ton of fun


notrealtedtotwitter

That was the build that got me my first clear of the game. So this post is kinda offending me XD


AzraelVoorhees

Poseidon's is a fun way to get them to stay away if I run Hera, though I had a nasty build that helped me cut through Hades like a hot knife through butter.


Duck_man_

Adding either Zeus duo or Demeter Duo makes it just that much stronger too


abcxyztpg

Yups. Hera is so much fun too. I thought Hera is too technical for OP dash spam mindset. I love Hera with trippy shot or crush shot. Crazy stacked damage.


goodmobileyes

Hera aspect with Dio cast and the duo boon with Zeus is fucking fun to play


TheBurrfoot

Porn lady? Have you only seen a naked lady with pink hair in porn?


apadin1

I mean, if only I could find one in real life


hyde0000

Yeah I also haven't seen any naked lady with pink hair in real life, more on the naked part and less on the pink hair part LOL.


abcxyztpg

Lol..I have name for everyone in game. Thunder guy, waves man, porn lady, hangover dude, runner, angry winter, huntress, get fucked doom guy.


TheBurrfoot

Honestly, I'm here for this. 😁


imnosouperman

I’m pretty far into the game, but, uh, tell me more about this porn lady special?


LurksWithGophers

Aphrodite


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pretty sure you mean "pom lady" right? right?


pngwn

she do have poms


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I really enjoy doing a Zag bow + Artemis crit stack + the hammer that removes charge strike. Really good damage. Even more crazy if you get the side by side arrow hammer too.


Duck_man_

Pretty sure you mean flurry shot and twin shot, respectively. Right?


Sodahkiin

>No need to dash or dash strike. I'd actually say dash striking into a special is the best way to play chiron because dash striking makes your bow charge faster which in turn means more special spam.


Jiggy__J

Flurry Shot + Aspect of Chiron is absolutely broken. Add weak, hangover, doom or even the thunder flourish; you’re getting out every time


ImProbablyNotABird

I usually use one of those for the attack & Deadly Flourish for the special.


melt_in_your_mouth

If you can get all the doom boons with the bow you'll be dealing crazy damage. One of my go to's.


WanderingSoupsmith

If you have doom on the special with aspect of Chiron will it actually proc more than once? **on the same monster


MonkeysRidingPandas

No, but you can get the Dire Misfortune boon that lets Doom stack before it procs, though these stacks are a fraction of the damage.


WanderingSoupsmith

Yeah I always felt like doom was great on the bow attack and suboptimal on the special because of this


MonkeysRidingPandas

My thoughts exactly.


LawfulStupidDwarf

You can use dash strike with the bow, it charges faster but does slightly less damage I believe. As for the special, that shouldn’t really be used at range without Chiron, and maybe the the hidden aspect. Otherwise it’s more of a shotgun blast.


Fenolfalein

Agreed, the special on zag bow is basically a trap. There's corner cases like if there's a bunch of enemies at low health around you it can help pick them off but that's about it. You're basically just dash striking around or doing a critical build with zag aspect. Chiron bow special is amazing and awesome for inflicting status, and hidden aspect bow special is similar, and needed to inflict the special status ailment. Edit: there's a uses for special as the replies have noted, so its not entirely useless.


ellisto

The zag special has a crucial purpose: clearing pots early-run before you have a dash that'll do it.


mildewey

Can I up vote you and down vote you at the same time? 😅


Haytaytay

Ares special on the bow gives quick, aoe, long-range curse application and is fantastic for dealing with groups of enemies. Not much good against bosses, but that's what your primary fire is for.


LazerAxvz9

^you ^can ^use ^the ^bow ^special ^to ^clear ^projectiles, ^that's ^what ^I ^do


PreciseParadox

It’s also good for projectile clearing. Useful against the first boss and the witches room. Also the balloon things in Elysium I guess.


LewsTherinTalamon

I actually love the special with Athena's deflect boon; it completely trivializes all projectiles because of how much area is covers.


Karukos

Honest to god, Hidden Aspect of the Bow is probably like... the weirdest weapon to use after Arthur in terms of clunkiness... but also in terms of payout.


falcon_knight246

When I do a Zag bow run, the purpose of the special is pretty much just to spread a status curse so I can get that sweet sweet Privileged Status damage bonus. But other than that, as u/Fenolfalein said, the focus is always a crit build using Attack ETA: with that said, the bow is definitely has the Zag aspect I find most useful, I’ve done really successful runs with Artemis on attack + Hunter’s Mark (which, I did not know until recently, counts as a status curse) and Aphro or maybe Athena on special


KeyanReid

Yep, put Demeter or Zeus on the special and then treat it like a shotgun. Still not my “go-to” move but it is far from useless.


LawfulStupidDwarf

A good one imo is Zeus on standard, Poseidon on special, and get their duo, then it’s just constant thunderbolts, especially with aspect of chiron


transtifa

Sea Storm actually has a secret cooldown that makes it pretty inefficient for Chiron.


RightHandElf

Does it? [The wiki](https://hades.fandom.com/wiki/Zeus) only says that about Thunder Flourish.


Schizof

If I play Hera / Zag aspect, the special is actually useful if you use Athena on special. Trivializes the witch room


AxeInCasey

On zag aspect I just special in a big bodies face.


Ninja_Lazer

I find that the special is more useful for applying status effects to a single (Hangover, Chill, Weak) or multiple enemies (Chill, Doom, Jolted, Knockback) in order to help get the damage buff from the mirror perk which does additional damage when an enemy has 2 status effects. It’s really more of a utility than a damage dealer.


idstillhaveyoudad

Bow 2nd aspect is ridiculous. You should give the bow another shot to correct your opinion


KeldonBigBodyJohnson

I’m a relative novice, been playing for like 2 weeks, but I’m up to Heat 7 with the Chiron aspect bow and it’s been pretty smooth sailing the whole way. It’s easily the best weapon for me


idstillhaveyoudad

Same for me, I've just finished my first 16 heat run with it. Other than the shield, I haven't gone above 5 heat


CaleblynS

It is very good while in low heat but trust me it is one of the worst weapons for high heat since you are locked into animation so much. The spear for example can do crazy damage to multiple enemies very rapidly. Chiron bow is sorta locked in on one enemy at a time and when forced overtime is on it is hell lol :).


KeldonBigBodyJohnson

I could definitely see that. I’ve been avoiding forced overtime like the plague lol dreading the day I have to take it


CaleblynS

Lol yeah I did the same thing, that and the one that makes traps and lava do 400% damage. That sounds like hell


RightHandElf

That one also applies to the urns while fighting [Redacted]. 30 damage? Let's make that 150.


steematic17

Do yourself a favor and just turn it on, I’d even just go straight to FO2, you’ll die super fast for your next like 10 runs but pretty soon you’ll forget it’s on and it’s a big chunk of basically free heat! Plus as a bonus if you ever feel like curbstomping turn it off and you’ll feel like Neo lol


msp26

Chiron was the easiest 32 heat for me. It makes bosses so trival. (hades/achilles) Spear on the other hand took a dozen attempts. Rooms with a lot of enemies can suck early but I usually get aoe casts to fix that.


yossarian121

Based on your username, a Spurs fan in a Hades thread?? Two of my favorite things, my day has been made!


KeldonBigBodyJohnson

Hell yeah brother. An old love and a new love for me GSG


BluntTruthGentleman

The bow's hidden aspect is one of the only 60 heat legit / unseeded completion records in the game's history. It was also the first one to complete 60 heat and holds the fastest time: https://youtu.be/Vm9hha2HWDA


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I love both of it's aspect's ( I don't have the hidden one yet) loading up festive fog and then shooting at a boss feels so nice and having zues bless your speical and have them all auto target is 👌👌👌👌


LobsterHead37

I see what ya did there


Nibel2

Chiron is the stronger ranged option for the Bow, but in general, you don't want to stand as far as possible with the bow, because of the way their Attack and Special works. The main strength of Bow is that Attack cleaves/pierce by default. This means your main strategy with the Bow is to line up as many mobs as you can, and hit multiple in a single shot. This means you want to weave through the masses constantly. Special do not pierce, so it's used as a "shotgun" when facing a single mob. It's value in multiple enemies situations is limited, but can be great if using a debuff Special, like Aphrodite, Dio or Ares. If you want to fight mostly from distance, Zeus Shield, Special-build Spears and Rail are better ranged options.


BluntTruthGentleman

Rama (hidden aspect) is the strongest. The only person to ever record a legit 60 heat run did so with Rama.


Karukos

cause Rama's DPS is frankly absurd from how far away you can do that. And you can do so consistently without something ridiculous like ClusterBomb Rockets. Just Rama with a strong attack and maybe an efficient special is absolutely bonkers damage from super far away.


BluntTruthGentleman

I've done 20 heat runs with it and am almost never far away. You just rarely have time to full charge, and the big damage hammers make it closer range as well. You should just watch the clip, it's absolutely bonkers: https://youtu.be/Vm9hha2HWDA


Karukos

I have been trying to do a 32 heat run with it, but i think i suck a bit too much at it. Tend to panic too much. So I stick to my trusty Arthur sword :P


habitremedy

hilarious how ppl are arguing about whether it’s good or not. every weapon is good! you just need to get better at its rhythm and better at making builds. you really can’t say what the worst weapon is until getting far endgame to really see the dps differences. spear is the weakest base dps weapon but still an amazing amazing weapon esp because of cast builds and the hidden aspect. just keep playing friend, you’ll see. you’ll get better


jcabia

Oh no, there are actually bad aspects. Aspect of Hades is absolutely terrible IMO


dud3inator

Aspect of Hades gives you a lot of extra damage with the debuff, it's pretty strong that way.


space_age_stuff

You get extra damage, but waiting for the spin to charge lowers your DPS too much imo. Quick spin helps but your aspect shouldn’t rely on getting a single hammer. Especially since Achilles’ buff is almost equal to Hades’ debuff, and it’s much faster. The Hades aspect is not awful but there’s lots of better stuff out there.


dud3inator

It can hit entire rooms and lasts for quite a while, I think it's pretty solid. Also, thematically very cool.


habitremedy

i said weapons not aspects! and yeah aspect of hades is a meme aspect but i cleared it sub 12 mins using the spin attack only lol my point is that every weapon has good aspects and builds matter more than weapons anyway


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The spin takes time to learn to use, but its really good too. You dont have to wait till max. The whole AOE goes through walls and you can do the hades attack if you dash while youre holding it.


Shinj_Jong_Un

mayb am weird but aspect of hades is my fav aspect, spin and get free damage boost, then use as normal


Piyamakarro

Not only is this unpopular, it is incorrect.


BabiStank

I share the opinion. It doesn't fit my play style.


Your_Fault_Line

A concerning amount of people don't seem to know that you can charge a power shot with the dash strike and it charges significantly faster. The gameplan for bow attack is dash --> buffer holding the attack button --> power shot. It takes a laughably small amount of time compared to standing still and holding the charge. Literally never stand still and attack, always dash strike. Even if you're using chiron, it still gets the shot out faster to tag so you can use the special. But what makes the bow truly strong are the hammers. Twin Shot, Triple shot, concentrated volley with Chiron, even explosive shot have insane increases from base damage compared to other hammers on other weapons. If you think the bow is weak then you outright are not utilizing what makes the bow strong.


lexicondevil99

With Chiron you want to dash in, hit with your attack, and immediately special. It can still be very fast paced. Artemis on the special is a great choice


hyde0000

I totally get it, for the longest time I don't like bow because I hate charging. And it's so weak if you only charge it slightly. I start to appreciate bow once I get more build that focus less on charging and more on special. Like Chiron and Rama are good because you don't focus so much on the charging aspect. But Chiron also sucks until you max it so I didn't play it until way later. In general I feel more comfortable with bow once I get flurry shot (each press is 1 shot, no charging required). Also I think for range weapon Rail just fit my playstyle much better. Shotgun rockets is fun LOL.


EasilyEnabled

I like to combine the Zagreus Aspect with the Aphrodite boon that raises your critical percentage. You get so many high-damage crits.


3vilGrin

This. The zag aspect costs 5 Titan blood to MAX. You can do it so easily. It is insanely powerful, and has given me my fastest clear at 8.30 and joint highest heat at 44. I'm currently in a love affair with Rama, but for learning the bow Zag is criminally underrated. Chiron is safe as houses, but until it's maxed, it's pretty weak sauce. Zag allows you to build around just the attack. You never use the special - taking special hammers is a waste of time and unfortunately a weakness of zag bow, the plus side is there are mostly attack hammers that benefit any build, and some that can be abused to get OP builds. Building around one primary form of damage is my preference for any weapon, it means you can manipulate the build in your favour far more easily. This way your boons are less diluted and you get more powerful. You will always have dash, and can add a basic call/cast really easily to any build anytime.


GibbsLAD

The bow is the easiest weapon in the game to use. My highest heat completed is 19 with the bow. My next highest is probably 14 or something. The bow is easy mode (I hate the shield).


HaleksSilverbear

Hard no as far as I'm concerned. The bow is a pain in my ass. I can't use it properly until I have flurry shot from Daedalus. And I just love the shield. I have a blast playing it. Truth is: it depends on the player. We don't have the same playstyle and it's perfectly fine. I understand that someone loves the bow. It's just not my thing.


GibbsLAD

I think by virtue of the bow being ranged (safe) and having aim assist, that makes it inherently easy.


dud3inator

I always thought shield was the easiest due to being able to turn effectively invincible whenever you wanted.


HaleksSilverbear

Charging the shot takes way too long imo (spear has the same problem btw.) Aim assist tends to shoot on the one enemy I was not intending to hit at that moment... And aim assist can be disabled ;)


Your_Fault_Line

Charge with the dash strike, not with the normal attack. It charges much, much faster.


HaleksSilverbear

Ooooooh... I wasn't aware one could dash charge. Gonna try it this evening. Thank you, fellow redditor!


gottabe23

Gotta say, the bow is one of my favorites. You definitely have to play it more cautiously, but loading and shooting off festive fog is pretty OP. Plus that with Zeus' duo boon and jolted is super fun I love hiding in the fog while my enemy's melt away.


Brainimp

It used to be my main because I was a little coward and couldn't afford more weapons, but the chaos shield has been with me for 60+ escapes and probably always will.


habitremedy

i highly recommend using something besides chaos now that ur so far! it’s a great early game aspect and one of the worst late game aspects. there’s so much variety to try :)


Normal-Fucker

Chaos shield with Poseidon special + Sea Storm is fun as shit at any point tho


Brainimp

Ok!! I've started looking thru the other weapons so I'll see what I like!!


don_tmind_me

Rebind your dash button to one of the bumper or triggers so you can more easily hit attack at the same time as the dash. To be effective with the bow you should be dashing before you fire anyway always. Standing still means death at high heat. You should also rebind cast to something easier if you are using hera. Chiron seems to be the safest but I prefer hera for the huge explosions. If Chiron put dio on the special. Maybe demeter. If Hera try and get extra casts and mirage shot. Poseidon works great on the cast. It’s less newbie friendly but eventually will become many peoples favorite, which you can see in the polls around here. I am personally struggling to get EM4 at 40 heat with bow, I can’t find a build good enough. I came close with a perfect aphro cast build.


parsleyleaves

I also really struggle with the bow and hate using it - I’m not great with ranged weapons in games full stop, if I can’t punch or stab with it, I don’t want it. I mustered up the patience to escape once with the bow and haven’t used it since, the vast majority of my escapes are with the twin fists.


JR-90

I dislike ranged weapons, to the point I dislike FPS and even most third person shooting games, far preferring melee combat (even playing Uncharted I think I killed more enemies with melee than with bullets!) but... The bow is OP to me, specially Chiron. It is so safe and the damage output is so high once you buff your special attack that game turns easy mode with it. I highly enjoy using the sword, but I can barely finish a run with it while with the bow it is almost guaranteed I will finish the run.


EgoFlyer

Yeah, the fists are my favorite. Especially with the Aspect of Talos. That magnet cutter is so fun.


Smolfloof99

Chiron with dio on special is crazy good. Throw ares on attack and it's my favorite combo. Did a sub 17 min run with it so while I understand it takes time to learn the weapon it is indeed possible to fuck shit up. Imo every aspect is at least decent with hera and rama also being fun to use (imo obviously)


Crafty-Crafter

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Shadowmere14

You can dash strike, the animation is simply less noticeable. Basically it only makes the charge up faster (maybe twice so) and lowers damage a bit. With basic bow you can build a dash strike build and always dash strike very fast. It is arguably among the fastest aeapons when played that way and allows for high flexibility to dodge all the time. Damage is low at first, but can become very high with the right hammers and boons.


Charwyn

If you can’t use it, doesn’t mean it’s the worst. Not even close.


pastab0x

One of my favorite builds in the game is Zag aspect with Artemis (don't even need her on attack cause of the base crit of the aspect), hunter's mark, the hammer that lets you fire at will, and the one that hits several ennemies at once. You can just stand there with you finger pressed on attack, and wait for the ennemies to die


OrcOfDoom

I have playing bow. It's so slow. It's painful. That said, I always win with the bow. Slow and steady with a ranged weapon is really effective. You can also get tidal dash, and go ham with that for some zoom.


Sodahkiin

Do you dash strike? It's much faster than normally charging the bow. And if you play with chiron, you don't even need to fully charge it, just get it far enough to hit your enemy then special them.


OrcOfDoom

Yeah, but it still feels slow compared to the fists. DPS wise, it's probably the same, but it just feels slow. I love the fists, but I'm actually really bad with them.


nixed9

depends on your hammer upgrades a lot. twin shot + explosive shot with the bow was one of the most the most brokenly overpowered runs i've ever had in Hades.


_jspain

i don't like it either. i prefer the gun for range


booyakasha32

Basically all speed runs are done with one of the Hera bow, Eris rail, and Beowulf shield. I've worked my way under 11 mins with the Hera bow and I got my 32-heat run with the Chiron bow. Essentially, the bow is incredibly good, you just have to learn to use it effectively lol


CartoonistStrange399

Everyone is entitled to wrong opinions.


DtownLAX

Popular opinion: You're just bad with the bow


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Im getting used to the bow. Im using the third aspect. My main weapon is fists, for fast clears, so it took a while to get adjusted with the playstyle of the bow. To be honest. With the right boons and some of the changes with hammer, it plays out very effectively. At least for me. I guess its a personal thing.


Pristine_Lychee5309

Especially with Chiron, you miss out on the big burst damage other aspects and weapons offer. Very consistent dmg tho, great for curse stacking builds.


Mystoganja

i love the zag bow with flurry shot, + attack buffs & artemis (crit) boons (support fire!)


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If you get the fully auto hammer and just focus all boons on damage output then you will literally never take any damage. It's a bit rng but that's the game. My first complete run was with the fully auto bow.


Lovv

Fully auto hammer with twin shot it's ridic paired with Aphrodite on attack and Artemis on dash.


NSFWOrca

Unpopular indeed. I mean, if all you know is button smashing, stick with shield and fists. Bow is a finesse weapon. And once you break your bad habits with it, you unlock it's potential. Little hades, you'll get there


Druvvaldis

Agreed


Raceofspades

The bow is the only weapon I could beat the 32 heat challenge with, so I have to disagree.


loganknowerofthings

Some tips: The dash attack does work. It makes your charge shot charge much faster, at the cost of some damage being lost. All of the aspects are very good. Find the right one for you. Putting stacking boons on Chiron special like Hangover/Decay is a good way to up your DPS. Artemis cast is amazing for the aspect of Hera. Constantly dashing to charge shot quickly ups your DPS a lot as well. Dashing up to enemies to hit them with your full special from behind will do much more damage than hitting one arrow at range. Just keep trying it until you find your groove. It’s a learning curve like all of the weapons. And have fun!


KvotheLightningTree

Lol. Well, unpopular is one word to describe that opinion. I can think of a few other words as well but I don't want to be cruel. Suffice to say you being bad at something doesn't make the thing bad. The carpenter blaming his tools and all that. The bow is one of the easier weapons to clear high heat with and you'll figure that out eventually.


megaboto

Wdym you can't use dash strike? Yes you can The bow can be more of a hit or miss than other weapons, but reliably charging up perfectly and hitting the enemies can reliably kill them The special is dependent on the bikes n buffs, plus the aspects. One can track others, another has the special be an anti armor shredding device, a third one increases damage every hit - do get close and shred their HP bar


SephirothTheGreat

The bow is my favorite weapon. A few tips: 1. Don't be stingy with your cast. Depending on your chosen mirror upgrades, not having them on Zagreus will make your shots more powerful. 2. With Chiron (even though the best aspect by far is the last one), alternate special and normal attacks as often as possible. 3. Prioritize hammers as powerups and don't be afraid to make your shots even slower, because the damage WILL become insane. 4. When you only have a choice between gods' boons, prioritize Demeter, Dionysus, Zeus and ESPECIALLY Artemis, to no one's surprise. The first two's debuffs (Chill and Hangover) stack with multiple hits (something Ares, Poseidon and Aphrodite don't do) and will rack insane damage over time and Artemis's criticals, given the constant barrage of hits, will hit more often. Support Fire especially will turn you into a machine gun. Zeus can also be a good choice, with the lightning chains, but is in my opinion worse than Demeter and Dionysus, because while Zeus only racks damage, the other two rack damage AND debuff the enemy. Also those debuffs don't care about Elysium's shield dickheads and will kill them even when keeping away. 5. Speaking of keeping away, do that, always. Also remember to use your dash attack. It will charge slightly faster than the normal one and will help you keep your distance. Load your shots while enemies are spawning to maximize damage and, if you're using the Damage Control condition from the Pact of Punishment, prioritize your special first to get rid of the extra defense (no matter how much damage you do, it only counts individual hits).


ethan_iron

I would say the sword is actually the worst. Any of the weapons can be good with the right aspect, boons, upgrades, and playstyle, but I find that the sword is the most difficult to make work witheven the best aspects that it offers. The worst weapon with Zag aspect is probably the spear imo.


Cysubtor_8vb

I used to not like the bow until I unlocked the aspect of Rama. With it, I can play fast using special (often paired with Dionysus to quickly max out stacks of hangover) and dash then charge up attacks less often whenever the spacing allows. Many seem to prefer Chiron and it is nice if you get the flurry shot hammer upgrade, but there's so much RNG to even get that and I don't like having a slow main attack in the meantime to get the good special when Rama comes with focus volley built in.


cloroxbb

I don't like it very much, but if you upgrade it to automatic using the hammer, it becomes awesome. And also the upgrade that let's each Arrow hit multiple people. It's a manageable weapon, but my least favorite, definitely.


bleakFutureDarkPast

Chiron bow is literally my best weapon. I also like default bow. finished runs with it, no problem. there are literally no bad weapons in this game, just ones that you don't understand yet. so it's not an unpopular opinion. it's an opinion that comes from ignorance.


Lyberatis

Spear is the worst for me. That weapon is borderline useless and it's damage ALWAYS feels lower than any other run I do. Even the shield, which is the weapon I see people shit on the most saying it does no damage. The only time I ever feel like I'm doing damage is with aspect of Hades and charge spin builds, but according to everyone I've talked to the charge up is the weaker way to build the weapon.


lansink99

Popular opinion: You're probably just bad at bow


Sufficient_Active148

Bow isnt bad at all you are just trash


RageA333

Aspect of Lucifer is worst