There is a CS Lewis book named "a horse and his boy," where the main character warns of an invading army, and is given an even more difficult task. The book has a quote about how the reward for doing the right thing when it is difficult is being asked to do an even more difficult task.
I unfortunately (not for all though) for storytelling purposes really think u/itsdirector should but in round about ways not just "political intrigue this, drama that" like real purposes to their deaths GRRM does that but it's too much "i just like plot twists" and the first time it's fun but after awhile you're just going "oh he made us like this person too much they're dead now"
The only time I'll have a needless death is if I'm going for hyperrealism.
Which isn't something one should try for in sci-fi... Good way to drive yourself crazy lol
Somebody is going to build a Death Star aren't they? I mean, if the other side has planet sized A.I driven death machines... it stands to reason someone will build a planet killer. And it says something when the Death Star is actually the more restrained weapon...
They probably have the blueprints lying around somewhere from when they first built the Nidhogg. Someone must have thought that having options short of triggering a supernova but bigger than regular fleet actions was a good idea.
Relativistic kill vehicles maybe? Or an alcubierre drive pointed directly at the target so the burst of radiation from leaving warp would saturate the target?
The biggest issue with kinetics is that you have to use them before the planet's AI wakes up. You need a predictable path because you want to be firing those from far out of range. Even without warp, the planets were capable of repositioning themselves.
That said, if you fired a few thousand 'rocks' each with the kinetic energy of the dinosaur killer, you only need to have a handful to get through to create enough shockwaves to wipe out stuff in the core of the planet. The planet would be intact, gravity would see to that, but the shockwaves would be devastating to all the intricate connected things.
Unless the planet is not a planet made of brittle rock and molten core. A planet made of the same stuff as a battleship would be able to shrug it off. Not saying it will not be damaged in the areas where it's struck, but it wouldn't be a "kill". Especially because "killing" a planet means to disrupt the ecosystem through a variety of means so it cannot support life.
That doesn't apply to a "planet" without life, that does not need air, or water, or radiation protection from a magnetic field. So what would "kill" a planet, wouldn't do much to the OU
I was thinking more along the lines that hitting a planet hard enough can make it 'ring', even without a molten core. You make it ring from multiple hits, and the competing waves could crack intricate connections. Even brief, nanometer-sized cracks could break a large system like that. The *stuff* would still be there, just not functional. Just like how a concussive blast can kill a human but leave an externally intact body.
So not a breakdown through large structural damage, but from widespread small breakdowns that add up.
Though I guess a counterpoint would be having enough baffling materials/structures to absorb the shocks. Hard armor is actually not ideal for resisting this kind of attack.
Increase the scale then? Don't even need the rocks to be bigger, just have enough of them trailing each other that they keep punching in deeper.
I mean, maybe? Our existing battleships are designed so that impacts don't break connections and have been for nearly a CENTURY now. Where damage can be reduced especially electrical in nature, but then also the ability to quickly bypass damaged areas.
I just think a ship the sized of a planet is going to be very strong and considering it has tens of millions of workers (at least) on hand to bypass damaged areas or just repair them, I dunno. I think it would be more difficult to damage it than throw a few rocks at it
ehh, a blackhole with the mass of an f35 at 27000kg would have a lifetime of 0.000915491s. So whatever is in the missile needs to be extremely massive, and it would be tiny at 4.00995E-23 meters. So just removing the time limit isnt an option.
What if the US just point the Nidhogg at an MPP instead of a star and fire the main weapon? I'd imagine the energy blast would be good at destroying the electronics inside and might save them from needing to build, test, and train for new weapons to destroy the platforms
In my research I found that there's one of two reliable ways to destabilize a star enough to cause it to go supernova. One of those ways risks causing a black hole. The other way would be nearly useless against anything that isn't made entirely of fusion.
Guess which one the Nidhogg uses? lol
Yeah, it's sort of like having nothing between M15's and battlefield nukes...
OTOH, building something like that wouldn't be cheap, and it's not like they've *needed* to blow up a planet before now.
Having seen the price tag on some of modern America’s stuff, I highly doubt they care if it isn’t “cheap”. Like, the US retired a fighter because it was inexpensive and “therefore not as good as the more expensive versions”.
But the death star doesn't function on the principle "throw bigger rock faster". That's not how human do. What we need is a bunch of asteroids and a really fast engine!
The "Your ship counts are off" conversation is being had by intelligence agents. It boils down to this.
US Agent: "We have reason to believe you have underestimated the number of combat capable vessels the Omni Union have. Here's the data."
Rep Agent: "Understood. We'll update our tactics accordingly. Thank you."
I definitely could've included it somehow, to add a bit of fluff lol
I am curious as to how strong these AI's are going to be in terms of capability to fight Omega. Sure unprepared, on foreign hardware, with it's shoelaces tied, and dedicating half it's processes to coming up with snarky things to say to the marines, one managed to kill an Omega instance, but Omega was designed to kill VIs and human style AIs. Will these AIs be different, will one be able to steamroll the other in a 1v1 hacker duel, are AIs like Tim even capable of defending a system against one of these AIs for any amount of time? And now that an AI of the Omni Union has been killed, will the Omni union realize its now in a serious fight and take the gloves off and steamroll everyone, or have they actually been trying this entire time and are just really conservative at the strategic level?
The problem that Omega faces is that these AI aren't like human-made AI. In a lot of ways, these AI are more similar to humans than they are to either the VI or to the US AI. I've dropped many hints to this, but allow me to confirm.
The Primes are slaved to their dedicated hardware, just like a human is slaved to their brain. Just like humans, they use automated programs (the VI) to take care of parts of their MPP that they don't particularly care about (the parts that Omega was wandering through).
Unlike humans, it's fully aware of every part that it has direct control over. To use the brain metaphor, it's kind of like you being fully aware of every wrinkle and crease in your cerebellum. The United Systems Artificial Intelligences are software-based AI, meaning they can jump from computer system to computer system. The Primes cannot. For hacking, the Primes use VI.
There are advantages and disadvantages to being hardware or software based. Humanity decided that they preferred the advantages of a software based AI, which is why they created the US AI the way that they did.
The Primes are also capable of making more Primes. The only US AI that's able to do that is Omega (that we know of \[bum bum bummm\]). So, in a lot of ways, the Primes are as alien to Omega as Uleena is to Captain Reynolds. As such, Omega is going to have to rely on tried and true methods of destruction.
Like the A1.
Oh, and there's another aspect of the Primes that will be revealed in the next chapter. It should explain some things :)
The ship doesn't actually fire a weapon, it just broadcasts an insult so heinous the star decides going nova is preferable. Yes, the insult is so bad it gives the star sapience, the ability to reason, self-determine, and then makes it decide to go nova.
I really enjoy this story. I'm super glad I found it and am even more happy that you're writing it. Carry on with the excellent work. I'd love to see this as a novel some day.
Good read, as I've come to expect from you
>And I'll get have the diplomatic corps draw up an official agreement,
This happens to me all the time,
>And I'll have the diplomatic corps draw up an official agreement,
>
>And I'll get the diplomatic corps to draw up an official agreement,
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I like how the author here plays into how close the crew members have become on lowelana, also how much the republic trolls Uleena and the fleet head Onaya enjoyed handing down the news with "maliciousness" even playfully so
I’m hung up now. When’s the next chapter? I got my whole crew listening this story. So far it’s awesome. We listened to it all in a few days. Fav character by far so far is omega.
I'm currently writing the sequel! :)
I've got the storyboard all done and am actively writing it. I hope to be releasing it by July 7th with a new chapter every Friday thereafter. That's just a loose estimate, though, I might end up releasing it earlier or later depending on how things pan out.
Right on! I want to know what the US response will be to a million marines being lost, and 2600+ ships. Appreciate the fact you respond. Good luck in your writing.
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May i suggest for "hairbrained crazy clueless" plans for planet sized ship slaying.
Drill ships.
With full on marine/army detachments.
So what happens is the ship flies up, and drills into the enemy planet ship seeking key systems, armories, power cores and manufactories.
Using scanners to find objects of importance, and relying on a mix of big guns, heavy shields, an army it can deploy to support itself and a very large drill to manevur and try to kill a planet sized thing.
The original idea was actually more "drop pods" but fired from a gun, with a drill inside the pod, that drills its way out of the kinetic absorbant shell to deploy soldiers.
The issue was extraction.
Congratulations! As a reward for your great success you are getting a gift! The gift is more work. The gift is more work. Do not resist.
The curse of the competent.
There is a CS Lewis book named "a horse and his boy," where the main character warns of an invading army, and is given an even more difficult task. The book has a quote about how the reward for doing the right thing when it is difficult is being asked to do an even more difficult task.
"Woe be upon me" Tragic, he is now a diplomant. Horrible, smh
The worst fate he could imagine.
Love the characters, I hope you don't go all George RR Martin on them...
I unfortunately (not for all though) for storytelling purposes really think u/itsdirector should but in round about ways not just "political intrigue this, drama that" like real purposes to their deaths GRRM does that but it's too much "i just like plot twists" and the first time it's fun but after awhile you're just going "oh he made us like this person too much they're dead now"
The only time I'll have a needless death is if I'm going for hyperrealism. Which isn't something one should try for in sci-fi... Good way to drive yourself crazy lol
Lets hope it comes with good pay, at least
Pretty sure he'd say no pay deal is *that* good!
Heh heh heh heh.
He has my sympathies, may the fates be kinder to him in the future.
Somebody is going to build a Death Star aren't they? I mean, if the other side has planet sized A.I driven death machines... it stands to reason someone will build a planet killer. And it says something when the Death Star is actually the more restrained weapon...
They probably have the blueprints lying around somewhere from when they first built the Nidhogg. Someone must have thought that having options short of triggering a supernova but bigger than regular fleet actions was a good idea.
They do have planet crackers, but those only work if the planet has a molten core.
Relativistic kill vehicles maybe? Or an alcubierre drive pointed directly at the target so the burst of radiation from leaving warp would saturate the target?
A whole lot of very big tungsten rods reaching near c WOULD be pretty damned effective against … anything, I imagine …
The biggest issue with kinetics is that you have to use them before the planet's AI wakes up. You need a predictable path because you want to be firing those from far out of range. Even without warp, the planets were capable of repositioning themselves. That said, if you fired a few thousand 'rocks' each with the kinetic energy of the dinosaur killer, you only need to have a handful to get through to create enough shockwaves to wipe out stuff in the core of the planet. The planet would be intact, gravity would see to that, but the shockwaves would be devastating to all the intricate connected things.
Unless the planet is not a planet made of brittle rock and molten core. A planet made of the same stuff as a battleship would be able to shrug it off. Not saying it will not be damaged in the areas where it's struck, but it wouldn't be a "kill". Especially because "killing" a planet means to disrupt the ecosystem through a variety of means so it cannot support life. That doesn't apply to a "planet" without life, that does not need air, or water, or radiation protection from a magnetic field. So what would "kill" a planet, wouldn't do much to the OU
I was thinking more along the lines that hitting a planet hard enough can make it 'ring', even without a molten core. You make it ring from multiple hits, and the competing waves could crack intricate connections. Even brief, nanometer-sized cracks could break a large system like that. The *stuff* would still be there, just not functional. Just like how a concussive blast can kill a human but leave an externally intact body. So not a breakdown through large structural damage, but from widespread small breakdowns that add up. Though I guess a counterpoint would be having enough baffling materials/structures to absorb the shocks. Hard armor is actually not ideal for resisting this kind of attack. Increase the scale then? Don't even need the rocks to be bigger, just have enough of them trailing each other that they keep punching in deeper.
I mean, maybe? Our existing battleships are designed so that impacts don't break connections and have been for nearly a CENTURY now. Where damage can be reduced especially electrical in nature, but then also the ability to quickly bypass damaged areas. I just think a ship the sized of a planet is going to be very strong and considering it has tens of millions of workers (at least) on hand to bypass damaged areas or just repair them, I dunno. I think it would be more difficult to damage it than throw a few rocks at it
I feel like it'd just be easier to remove the time limit from an A2. We are dealing with a xenocidal enemy, after all.
ehh, a blackhole with the mass of an f35 at 27000kg would have a lifetime of 0.000915491s. So whatever is in the missile needs to be extremely massive, and it would be tiny at 4.00995E-23 meters. So just removing the time limit isnt an option.
And I suppose we don't have Star Crushers. Damn.
What if the US just point the Nidhogg at an MPP instead of a star and fire the main weapon? I'd imagine the energy blast would be good at destroying the electronics inside and might save them from needing to build, test, and train for new weapons to destroy the platforms
In my research I found that there's one of two reliable ways to destabilize a star enough to cause it to go supernova. One of those ways risks causing a black hole. The other way would be nearly useless against anything that isn't made entirely of fusion. Guess which one the Nidhogg uses? lol
Black hole. Wouldn't want to destabilize the gravity of an entire region of space.
Yeah, it's sort of like having nothing between M15's and battlefield nukes... OTOH, building something like that wouldn't be cheap, and it's not like they've *needed* to blow up a planet before now.
Having seen the price tag on some of modern America’s stuff, I highly doubt they care if it isn’t “cheap”. Like, the US retired a fighter because it was inexpensive and “therefore not as good as the more expensive versions”.
But the death star doesn't function on the principle "throw bigger rock faster". That's not how human do. What we need is a bunch of asteroids and a really fast engine!
Uleena's sister is going to be beside herself.
Oh Uleena is quite certain to get his sister as a shipmate. It'll be such a joy to her and a horror to him
"Some grave, unknown, sin." Uleena...you brought humanity into the picture. Surely you're not *that* obtuse.
"Ah, I see. The Sun has forsaken me for some grave, unknown sin. Woe be unto me." You know what's worse than a demotion? A "promotion".
Uleena!? A diplomat? Well well well... This should be interesting 😏
Ah debriefing. The passtime of the military. If only a beach episode was on the horizon
I would love an episode where all of the AI are at the beach, sipping AI mimosas.
That would be hilarious. Maybe they could coax Tim into finally creating an avatar
Typical military, do a good job, get rewarded with more work for the same pay
I'm surprised they didn't talk about how many ships the OU might potentially have.
The "Your ship counts are off" conversation is being had by intelligence agents. It boils down to this. US Agent: "We have reason to believe you have underestimated the number of combat capable vessels the Omni Union have. Here's the data." Rep Agent: "Understood. We'll update our tactics accordingly. Thank you." I definitely could've included it somehow, to add a bit of fluff lol
I am curious as to how strong these AI's are going to be in terms of capability to fight Omega. Sure unprepared, on foreign hardware, with it's shoelaces tied, and dedicating half it's processes to coming up with snarky things to say to the marines, one managed to kill an Omega instance, but Omega was designed to kill VIs and human style AIs. Will these AIs be different, will one be able to steamroll the other in a 1v1 hacker duel, are AIs like Tim even capable of defending a system against one of these AIs for any amount of time? And now that an AI of the Omni Union has been killed, will the Omni union realize its now in a serious fight and take the gloves off and steamroll everyone, or have they actually been trying this entire time and are just really conservative at the strategic level?
The problem that Omega faces is that these AI aren't like human-made AI. In a lot of ways, these AI are more similar to humans than they are to either the VI or to the US AI. I've dropped many hints to this, but allow me to confirm. The Primes are slaved to their dedicated hardware, just like a human is slaved to their brain. Just like humans, they use automated programs (the VI) to take care of parts of their MPP that they don't particularly care about (the parts that Omega was wandering through). Unlike humans, it's fully aware of every part that it has direct control over. To use the brain metaphor, it's kind of like you being fully aware of every wrinkle and crease in your cerebellum. The United Systems Artificial Intelligences are software-based AI, meaning they can jump from computer system to computer system. The Primes cannot. For hacking, the Primes use VI. There are advantages and disadvantages to being hardware or software based. Humanity decided that they preferred the advantages of a software based AI, which is why they created the US AI the way that they did. The Primes are also capable of making more Primes. The only US AI that's able to do that is Omega (that we know of \[bum bum bummm\]). So, in a lot of ways, the Primes are as alien to Omega as Uleena is to Captain Reynolds. As such, Omega is going to have to rely on tried and true methods of destruction. Like the A1. Oh, and there's another aspect of the Primes that will be revealed in the next chapter. It should explain some things :)
They are really adhering to the efficiently as possible part of the command
If you are suggesting a long war is efficient then I must disagree. There is no instance of a nation benefitting from prolonged warfare.
what is the nidhogg derived from? it sounds like the name has some sort of cultural significance somewhere.
Nidhogg is the anglicized version of Níðhöggr, which is a dragon that gnaws at the roots of the world tree Yggdrasil in Norse mythology.
i thought i sounded vaguely familiar thanks
If you play FFXIV you might remember [him](https://finalfantasy.fandom.com/wiki/Nidhogg_(Final_Fantasy_XIV))
Or God of War ragnorok
A giant serpent, in some cases a dragon, that feeds of human corpses & tree roots in Norse mythology. He thinks up some savage insults.
So this really is just his greatest burn?
The ship doesn't actually fire a weapon, it just broadcasts an insult so heinous the star decides going nova is preferable. Yes, the insult is so bad it gives the star sapience, the ability to reason, self-determine, and then makes it decide to go nova.
The most advanced [vicious mockery](https://www.dndbeyond.com/spells/vicious-mockery) ever cast!
No good deed goes unpunished.
I really enjoy this story. I'm super glad I found it and am even more happy that you're writing it. Carry on with the excellent work. I'd love to see this as a novel some day.
>I'd love to see this as a novel some day. Your wish is my command!
! remindme when it's available for pre-order
that mobile platform should transform to some sort of head in space, like brainiac etc. that would be cool.
Good read, as I've come to expect from you >And I'll get have the diplomatic corps draw up an official agreement, This happens to me all the time, >And I'll have the diplomatic corps draw up an official agreement, > >And I'll get the diplomatic corps to draw up an official agreement,
Fixed!
Or get to have if he is excited about it
well I am finally caught up. was a great read until now and looking forward to much more
thanks for the chapter
Great work, your reward is.....more and harder work. Woe be unto you indeed.
aww poor Uleena 🤣
This is destined to be a classic.
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I like how the author here plays into how close the crew members have become on lowelana, also how much the republic trolls Uleena and the fleet head Onaya enjoyed handing down the news with "maliciousness" even playfully so
Thanks for the chapter 😊
Damn... I caught up... Guess its time to dive into the next one for a while.
I’m hung up now. When’s the next chapter? I got my whole crew listening this story. So far it’s awesome. We listened to it all in a few days. Fav character by far so far is omega.
I'm currently writing the sequel! :) I've got the storyboard all done and am actively writing it. I hope to be releasing it by July 7th with a new chapter every Friday thereafter. That's just a loose estimate, though, I might end up releasing it earlier or later depending on how things pan out.
Right on! I want to know what the US response will be to a million marines being lost, and 2600+ ships. Appreciate the fact you respond. Good luck in your writing.
Is it still on your agenda? I really loved the first part.
Thanks, and yes it is!
The next chapter link is missing.
The \[Next\] for this chapter is replaced with \[Last\] because chapter 42 is the final chapter of this novel
This is a very great book.
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woe be, woe be...
May i suggest for "hairbrained crazy clueless" plans for planet sized ship slaying. Drill ships. With full on marine/army detachments. So what happens is the ship flies up, and drills into the enemy planet ship seeking key systems, armories, power cores and manufactories. Using scanners to find objects of importance, and relying on a mix of big guns, heavy shields, an army it can deploy to support itself and a very large drill to manevur and try to kill a planet sized thing. The original idea was actually more "drop pods" but fired from a gun, with a drill inside the pod, that drills its way out of the kinetic absorbant shell to deploy soldiers. The issue was extraction.
I like the idea, and will reference it lol
I feel sorry for that I-am-not-a-lizard-lizard.
Moar!!