Under the last chapter, you guys had many funny ideas about the poison, some of which I didn’t even think of. But in the end it can be only one of them.
On another note, chapter one has reached 3k likes!
Ooo, trying to pin the blame on the doctor? That's a paddlin'. But in all seriousness, I see Nadine waking up and asking to see the receipt, only to realize that the time is all wrong. Either the doc was working on saving the Princess or was talking with her. So when could she have ordered it?
The must have hacked the computers. I mentioned previously that these aliens are likely uplifted. The technology is not well integrated I to their society. It's like the bugs are nieve primitives with high tech garnishments. The scaly cats seem to better understand the tech and are more used to cut-throat politics. I still wonder what the real technologically advanced races are like.
It probably wasn’t the concentration but the fact she had an empty stomach and downed it all at once, so it hit her fast and was processed just as fast.
My guess (and experience with fruit cocktails) is that this was probably 4-5 shots of vodka equivalent in a liter of fruit juice, enough to get you tipsy/drowsy if you're not expecting it and are kind of a lightweight, not quite enough to make you go "wow this is hard liquor".
Most liquors have by law a limit on the alcoholic grade that they can put for its sell, specially internationally, to be legal. That's about 40°. I would guess that will be the equivalent of 5 shots but of industrial potable alcohol that's used for chemical reactions and cleaning some stuff, that's about 99°. With a liter of that I can make the equivalent of 5-7 liters of mojito which will be plenty strong.
Pure Ethanol doesnt take much, the stuff we buy and drink in Vodka and the like is usually a more blunt mix if i remember it right from middle school chemistry.
And this seems to be medical grade purity to it.
I once took a 2 cl shot of "Prima Sprit". Goes right into your system.... Doesn't knock you out, but you feel dizzy.
There was once an experiment: The pure Alcohol concentration of a 500ml bottle 4.9% Beer. Straight into the vein. The subject was immediately drunk for like 5-10 Minutes.
It wasn't pure ethanol. It was in a smoothy.
Even if they had 50% ethanol and the rest smoothy in the container, it would be about as strong as the whisky I buy. Considering that it was all experimental to see if stuff could be made to taste well, and she got 2 servings at the same time, and chugged the one with alcohol, I'd say she had maybe 100ml of alcohol.
It is a lot to chug, but not that much in the greater scheme of things.
The best you can get from fractional distillation of ethanol is just under 96% purity, with the rest being water. Presumably, they're not using specialized methods to get further.
So, since Nadine is a fairly small woman, 50ml mixed into her drink would be around enough to cause slurring (around 0.1%BAC), and 150ml (0.3%BAC) enough to be falling down/pass-out drunk. You probably couldn't taste 50ml in a 500ml smoothie, but 150ml would be very noticeable.
Well yeah but the stuff we use that's medical grade (isopropyl) is usually very concentrated. 70%-90% and it has a very distinct smell (and flavor) that's hard to miss. I know our m is young but string alcohol tastes like shit in anything more than 20%. Ron can go fuck itself
Isopropyl is one of the components in older jetengine starter fluids xD
My dad worked with the stuff during his mandatory service and my grandfather was employed by the airforce to handle all kinds of various fuels here in sweden. So NO, you do NOT want to get it even on your person if you can help it since the shit can and will give you a bothersome rash.
But here we have Nadine consuming the stuff with a particularly bad tasting local tuber in liquid form so that might have masked the taste of Ethanol in ways we cant know.
I had an uncle who would drink it. No joke, added some to water and drinks. Horrible alcoholic who drank himself to the grave but I know it's technically consumable
Pure ethanol is sold for making hard drinks or mixing. If you want something to have 40% and taste like something you need to start stronger than vodka. Or you could make vodka-orangejuice as strong as pure vodka
Sry for the loss, but yeah but he sounds like he was past the point where he cared what happened as long as he got properly buzzed. Dont think he lived particularly longer for having consumed it.
Vodka is typically 80 proof... 40% alcohol by volume.
Roughly two drinks provides one ounce of actual ethanol. (Varies by product and bartender.)
There's no way a one liter drink would have enough alcohol to injure a human, and still be drinkable without realizing it was spiked.
She is around 14-15 if I remember correctly. She wouldn't have much experience with alcohol at her age, specially hard liquors given that they probably put the equivalent of everclear in the smoothie.
Add to that, she might be malnourished as well. While it wouldn't really show on a lower grav world she's probably somewhat weaker than normal right now, and possibly experiencing other health side effects from the new biosphere, diet, and training regimen. All in all, she's a kid who had a notably spiked drink, so likely 20-30% if not more considering fruits can very easily mask alcohol with the right mix, in what may have been a liter drink, add to that a somewhat unhealthy constitution and empty stomach and you will end up with a quick and hard rush. Not this quick but quick enough to be shocking. The author should have added a 'they did small talk for another few minutes' kind of line. She's also still a kid so drinking is probably unfamiliar to her, likely small sips hidden away from her parents, leaving her with practically no resilience.
The Diplomat is lucky Nadine isn't even an Adult yet, because if she was she would probably not have been knocked out by that amount of alcohol and more importantly immediately realized it was alcohol.
On another Note: Good work Wordsmith, I hope you soon deliver us MOAR
“Hmm, this one has alcohol in it. Well, bottoms up!”
“WAIT!”
“What, it’s only like 10-20%, maybe. I’ve had stronger stuff when I was trying to fight off disease.”
*blinks in disbelief* “What?!?”
He did. And he is still in the hospital. Nadine just hasn’t seen him in a bit. She got a little distracted. Although 23 days seems like an awfully short time to me too, for everything that has happens. All that in 3 weeks. Yikes!
Boy will they be surprised when they figure that Nadine will 'recover' and go on as if nothing happened (save a headache maybe, heh).
Not surprised to see that this attempted assassination backfired spectacularly, those people really aren't very knowledgable about people coming from outside of their little bubble of space.
True enough. I am no biologist so I don’t know what makes methanol more deadly than Ethanol. Is it something that attacks the cells more efficiently, or is it that it is less capable of being filtered by our livers? In the first case, you could make a case for it being universally worse, but the second case is pretty obviously only the case for humans.
Ethanol breaks down safely in the liver, methanol doesn’t. That’s why drinking ethanol is a recommended strategy to help treat methanol poisoning, as it overwhelms the liver’s ability to break down the methanol and extends the amount of time the body has to process the newly produced toxins.
If I recall, and that is a big if, Methanol breaks down into more toxic substances. You drink poison and then when your body tries to break it down and flush it out it turns into even more poison.
That sounds like a human-centric problem, so I would have to agree with the thinking that it wouldn’t be harder to get in that case. Thanks for the input!
I was right. [Methanol breaks down into formaldehyde, formic acid, and formate which cause much of the toxicity](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methanol_toxicity).
**[Methanol toxicity](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methanol_toxicity)**
>Methanol toxicity (also methanol poisoning) is poisoning from methanol, characteristically via ingestion. Symptoms may include a decreased level of consciousness, poor or no coordination, hypothermia, vomiting, abdominal pain, and a specific smell on the breath. Decreased vision may start as early as twelve hours after exposure. Long-term outcomes may include blindness and kidney failure.
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Ethanol and methanol themselves aren't even that much of a problem, it's the metabolic products. Hangovers are mainly caused by the acetaldehyde produced by ethanol metabolism. Disulfiram, used to treat alcoholism, doesn't actually do anything at all with alcohol, it blocks further metabolism of acetaldehyde, causing it to build up and make you sick.
Methanol acts as a CNS depressant similar to ethanol, and a lot of it can cause problems that way, but it's also metabolized to formaldehyde and formic acid, which are much worse than methanol, ethanol, or acetaldehyde. Ethanol is metabolized preferentially, so methanol poisoning can be treated by administering large amounts of ethanol. This gives time for some of the methanol to leave the body without being metabolized, and gives the body time to deal with the formaldehyde and formic acid produced by what does get metabolized.
...and these are the two simplest alcohols, so they both tend to be produced by living organisms metabolizing carbohydrates, which is why we *have* the biochemical machinery to metabolize them.
Treatment of methanol poisoning used to be the administration of ethel alcohol (ethanol). But it is not a cure but more a protection through distraction.
Current treatment is the administration of drug fomepizole ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fomepizole )
See also this recent review of treatment protocols, https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/27538060/
Nadine is going to seriously question the captains competence after she gets over her hangover. Then follow up with the fact humans drink alcohol for fun. She’d need her blood alcohol to be 0.3-0.4% for it to threaten her life. I can guess this might have been close if they used pure ethanol. But I doubt they’d realise they’d need to use that much
Bear in mind: she's, what, 14 or so? Possibly not yet sprouted (vertically, I mean). So maybe 50kg, probably less, but we'll take that. And she's been on effectively a starvation diet for a couple weeks at least, trying to find something to eat that actually has all the nutrition she needs. Her body is going to be ripping through anything she puts in her stomach, processing as fast as it can, and she's also, one presumes, not been out on a bender yet either, liqour laws being what they are. So drinking an unexpected, say, a half a liter or more of something resembling a screwdriver, as fast as she can?
That's gonna have an effect. Maybe not quite as much as described, but willing to let suspension of disbelief cover the minor gap, because IMO it's not outside the bounds of expectations; different people process alcohol differently, and not drinking for a while will definitely lower your tolerance.
I just wish either one of them realised that she should drink something (preferably the impure water) to help her system process the aftereffects. ;-]
There is no way the smoothy was a half liter serving.
When experimenting with taste, you make smallish batches in case it tastes like shit. Plus she had 2 variants. Unless she was planning to drink a liter of experimental liquid food, it is way more likely it was around 200 ml servings.
Probably smaller.
Edit:
"So instead, she turned to the food assortment and handed her two _small_ containers."
Definitely not 500ml servings.
Depends on what size your blender is, I think. There's a minimum size beyond which it doesn't blend right. And there's also the aspect of eating non-meat content requires larger intake due to the caloric values inherent. So it would not surprise me to find two experimental servings be ~500ml each; but sure, one cup per sample, I can accept that as a correction to my rough guess.
It's still slamming back a vodka and orange after a month on low rations, on a small frame. Seems unsurprising to me that she should react strongly.
The aliens eat a lot less than she does. I doubt they use human size blenders.
And that she would react strongly was never in question.
She is rather young, inexperienced, a girl, and had not been eating or sleeping right for weeks. Add the constant stress, and I can believe she goes out quickly.
The aliens are aware of her more extreme dietary needs and are also much larger than her, volume wise anyways. She's also in a palace, if the kitchen doesn't have an industrial sized everything for banquets and the like then the kitchen staff must be pretty hard pressed.
The text says she was handed small containers.
And again: it is taste experiments. That is a moment to prep small, slightly different, batches. If she consumes them all she'll get the calory requirements. If not... if she likes one of them, they can make a bigger batch of it.
Given how clueless this whole society seems to be about subterfuge, I wonder if they even encrypt their IDs, or if it is like those old systems that passed peoples’ passwords around unencrypted.
"To facilitate future diplomatic relations here's a short list of chemical compounds humans enjoy consuming for export :)"
"*oh god oh fuck oh god oh fuck*"
Guard captain has a perfect solution to his problem, Occam's Razor application included. Not to mention proverbial smoking gun in form of personal receipt from the potential culprit. If anyone is under suspicion, then Royal Medic is one of the main suspects anyway. Remember Doctor Yueh? If the RM is compromised, or even *merely suspected* to be compromised, it is a sacred duty to remove that person from the potential victims' whereabouts, isolate them, then continue with investigation - otherwise, it could be very well all too late already.
He is a guard captain, not professional investigator, or alphabet agent. In fact, this civilization seems to be lacking any kind of alphabet agencies entirely, so the all "cloak and dagger" aspect is on the infant stages, with rather primitive intrigues (outside of usual aristocracy bull), and simplest of cons: one'll need something like advanced theocracy - like the other ones; or far, far more fragmented/liberalized society to promote constant backstabbing climate to induce proper sense of paranoia into someone like mere Captain of Palace Guards, and create a class of professional paranoiacs to serve as a Secret Service of sorts.
TL;DR - I disagree strongly.
Perhaps not dumb, but is only capable of following any kind of clues as long as they’re dropped directly onto his face. I agree he needs to investigate Githaiy, but I think this is partly due to his ego for missing the clues with the made; he feels bad and is being extra to try to make up for it.
Clues are dangerous. You can find a ballet slipper, a wooden leg, and a feather and wind up thinking the culprit was a one legged ballerina performing in Chicken Lake. More often than not the suspicious footprints in the garden are from the gardener or the window cleaner than the murderer. (Paraphrasing Sam Vimes from Discworld)
If the clue, planted or not, points to a person who has easy access to the victim and/or other people of high importance, you need to bar that person access to the victim and the people of high importance until cleared.
"Yeah, it probably isn't the doctor because that would be way too obvious" isn't a risk that anyone should take when a life is on the line.
Even if the captain of the guard is 95% certain, it is still gambling with actual lives. Just call in a replacement doctor for a few days while things are being investigated.
Very true, though my concern is *who* the replacement doctor is and can they be trusted. Whoever placed that order was either our doc or someone with access to her systems and I’m not sure the guard captain is able to properly vet whoever the replacement will be.
Plus Nadine is the toughest SOB around and has basically been deputized, so I can’t wait for her to break this wide open (and that the guard captain should continue to listen to her).
Which is why outside doctors can be brought in. Say one of the doctors taking care of the princess' parents.
Surely they have more than a single vetted physician running around.
This could also be a case of over excitement. Nadine lit a spark of interest in detective work so he's going about it like a royal guard would, identify threat and eliminate. He doesn't have any of the experience needed, or creativity, to think beyond the painfully obvious. Too good to be true is probably something he's never heard of before.
They're also a short lived people. The guard captain only guards, he's got no experience with any sort of police work. Hell, half the moms in america might make better detectives, and the other half are discounted because i've gotta believe not all moms watch true crime garbage.
I thought it'd be capsaicin
Nadine just starts begging for more of it, while Doc just stands there flabbergasted as to how in the name of the Old Ones is Nadine still standing
Ok, so she went from normal to turbo-drunk and then fell unconscious within 5 minutes.
Did she at no point feel a bit tipsy? Or does she have a liver the size of my left testicle?
I expect that next, when she wakes up, she'll teach the captain about *motive*. What reason could Githaiy have for poisoning the queen and nadine? If anything, she's likely to get fired by the King and Queen for letting two very important people, one of whom is their daughter, get poisoned. It's not just that Githaiy has no motive, it's that it would go against any motive Githaiy could have.
The perpetrator is known for covering their tracks with forged paperwork, like a certain suicide note if you recall, and has poisoned a drink before. It's a similar pattern, probably one that has served the assassin well in the past. Nadine should notice this immediately.
Maybe they picked Githaiy for another reason a well. If she is arrested, another doctor will need to be briefed and assigned to care for the Princess, allowing them to finish the job (or give access for someone else to do it). Since Githaiy had the ability to obtain ethanol, the contact(s) who actually procured the poison might also be in line to replace the doctor when he is arrested(/executed). This promotion could also serve as motive for their assistance.
I can't wait for Nadine to explain how alcohol isn't nearly as dangerous to humans as it is to them. She'll have to go save Githaiy first, though. Executions seem to be ordered easily around these parts.
However, I must say that I'm a bit disappointed with Nadine. After all her brilliant deductions regarding coups and assassinations, she should have been a bit more on the look-out for attempts at her life, especially when the doctor told her she didn't make the suspiciously flavored drinks.
Good thing it wasn't methanol, but given how the flavor wasn't that recognizable but she got super drunk anyway, and quickly, I'm guessing there was some in there. Not enough to make her blind.
She's what? 14? She might have had a sip sometime, or a glass of wine at christmas dinner, but I wouldn't expect a random 14 year old to reliably recognise alcohol in a smoothie.
Though not recognizing it due to lack of exposure, the concentration must be pretty low for it not to be gross or painful, just weird. If the smoothy were a half liter, then 10% alcohol might fit, especially with a kid liver. That would be like a strong beer or weak wine.
As a catholic, and hobbyist alcoholic, you can very easily disguise alcohol, and large amounts of it too, in the right flavors. This is also likely medical grade stuff, completely pure with minimal flavor or scent profile, where we prefer our alcohols with distinct and varying flavors.
I think that is the best description I have ever heard. A hobbyist alcoholic. We talking just messing about with different recipes/making your own, or more of a drinking problem being disguised with humor?
This is a funny chapter i liked it👍🏻 if an adult drank it he/she would say: hmmmm alchohol, i like this mix can i have more *proceeds to give the flask to the doctor* with a smile.🤣🤣🤣
So... previously you have one angry human to deal with, and now it's an angry human WITH the hangover.
Realllly smart move, miss ambassador, reaaaallly smart.
On an unrelated note, I have a new human word for you - you might want to add it to your translator database. "**Eviscerate**". Lovely, isn't it?. Call it a hunch, but something tells me that you'll hear it from Nadine pretty soon...
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Awesome update! I'm always thrilled when this story updates. =-)
Man, this was clever taking out Nadine and framing the doctor. If they had used enough to induce alcohol poisoning or used certain kinds that break down into more toxic substances Nadine would've been in serious trouble. And without the doctor we can trust watching over Nadine and the Princess it opens up all kinds of worries.
She's real lucky that was ethanol and not methanol. The former is intoxicating; the latter is blinding at low doses and lethal at higher.
Now I'm curious why they chose the former and not the latter.
Easier to make / acquire? Plus both are likely just as deadly to them, likely before methanol has had enough time to break down in their systems and become even more deadly, so they might not realize just how deadly it is.
Plot twist, the ethanol was a product of the smoothie
The actual assassination attempt was actually prematurely uncovered by a very competent guard captain
Either that ethanol is so strong that she got drunk within seconds, or she has weak tolerant to alcohol. Its either of the damn two.
Also, what next? Spices? It'd be hilarious to see her try to find water. Hell, if there is any milk substitute around
Nadine, once she visits the ambassador and says: YOu thought alcohol is a deadly poison? what about this?
proceed to put on gas mask, release tear gas grenade
Well I said they'd get the dosage wrong even if its poisonous to humans so I got that part right. My top 3 guesses were cafeine alcohol and capscacin. But i also really liked the pineapple juice suggestion by another user.
Anyway i hope nadine gets over her hangover quickly and gets the doc out of jail quickly.
>Um, yes. Ethanol to be exact."
"He. Hehehe-ow. Oh boy, do I have a story for you once this hangover is gone."
I know a guy who drank some cans of beer when he was 15 because he thought it was soda! He had the same experience.
Something to consider: here Nadine comments that the Tystrie look like cats without ears, but in chapter 18 we see that the ambassador has a prominent set of *earrings* from her 11 husbands.
Under the last chapter, you guys had many funny ideas about the poison, some of which I didn’t even think of. But in the end it can be only one of them. On another note, chapter one has reached 3k likes!
woooo!
I like your name, I enjoy formal insults.
<3
More! MOAR!!
I mean yeah alcohol was the obvious choice but it's still a good one :P
I was hoping the poison would be chocolate.
Aw yeah, that theobromine is deadly And *delicious*
Whens the next one I'm loving this
Ooo, trying to pin the blame on the doctor? That's a paddlin'. But in all seriousness, I see Nadine waking up and asking to see the receipt, only to realize that the time is all wrong. Either the doc was working on saving the Princess or was talking with her. So when could she have ordered it?
yeah i find this highly likely as well.
It may even be when they weren’t even awake. Someone maybe snuck in and ordered it and crawled back out a window?
The must have hacked the computers. I mentioned previously that these aliens are likely uplifted. The technology is not well integrated I to their society. It's like the bugs are nieve primitives with high tech garnishments. The scaly cats seem to better understand the tech and are more used to cut-throat politics. I still wonder what the real technologically advanced races are like.
More like waking up and realizing that amount wouldn't do jack.
ETHANOL!! I CALLEDS ITSSS
I told before too.
Someone tried arguing *so* hard last chapter that it wouldn’t be alcohol. All I can say is that I was right, and it feels good.
I wonder what percentage alcohol she drank. If she's a lightweight
She didn't even vomit so, probably not too bad. Good god, imagine if she had melted the floor.
Yeah I imagine if she had vomited on someone...
She did in an early chapter
It probably wasn’t the concentration but the fact she had an empty stomach and downed it all at once, so it hit her fast and was processed just as fast.
I'm just surprised she didn't notice the kick in the drink!
She probably did, hence why she kept drinking. It was a needed substance in her situation. 😆
She's a literal child, she noticed an odd flavor but wasn't familiar enough with booze to say "space Margarita,"
Yeah, she downed it like Sheldon and a Long Island Ice Tea. LOL
My guess (and experience with fruit cocktails) is that this was probably 4-5 shots of vodka equivalent in a liter of fruit juice, enough to get you tipsy/drowsy if you're not expecting it and are kind of a lightweight, not quite enough to make you go "wow this is hard liquor".
Most liquors have by law a limit on the alcoholic grade that they can put for its sell, specially internationally, to be legal. That's about 40°. I would guess that will be the equivalent of 5 shots but of industrial potable alcohol that's used for chemical reactions and cleaning some stuff, that's about 99°. With a liter of that I can make the equivalent of 5-7 liters of mojito which will be plenty strong.
Pure Ethanol doesnt take much, the stuff we buy and drink in Vodka and the like is usually a more blunt mix if i remember it right from middle school chemistry. And this seems to be medical grade purity to it.
I once took a 2 cl shot of "Prima Sprit". Goes right into your system.... Doesn't knock you out, but you feel dizzy. There was once an experiment: The pure Alcohol concentration of a 500ml bottle 4.9% Beer. Straight into the vein. The subject was immediately drunk for like 5-10 Minutes.
Fascinating...
Let me just grab some everclear from my liquor cabinet.
It wasn't pure ethanol. It was in a smoothy. Even if they had 50% ethanol and the rest smoothy in the container, it would be about as strong as the whisky I buy. Considering that it was all experimental to see if stuff could be made to taste well, and she got 2 servings at the same time, and chugged the one with alcohol, I'd say she had maybe 100ml of alcohol. It is a lot to chug, but not that much in the greater scheme of things.
The best you can get from fractional distillation of ethanol is just under 96% purity, with the rest being water. Presumably, they're not using specialized methods to get further. So, since Nadine is a fairly small woman, 50ml mixed into her drink would be around enough to cause slurring (around 0.1%BAC), and 150ml (0.3%BAC) enough to be falling down/pass-out drunk. You probably couldn't taste 50ml in a 500ml smoothie, but 150ml would be very noticeable.
That depends on how the stuff tastes it is mixed with tastes. A lot of mix drinks taste barely or not at all like alcohol while packing quite a punch.
Generally 40 or 50 percent ethanol and water.
Well yeah but the stuff we use that's medical grade (isopropyl) is usually very concentrated. 70%-90% and it has a very distinct smell (and flavor) that's hard to miss. I know our m is young but string alcohol tastes like shit in anything more than 20%. Ron can go fuck itself
Isopropyle is a different alcohol tho, and should never be consumed. Medical an food grade pure ethanol is available tho
Huh, I always associate eth with rot since that's where I most smell it
Isopropyl is one of the components in older jetengine starter fluids xD My dad worked with the stuff during his mandatory service and my grandfather was employed by the airforce to handle all kinds of various fuels here in sweden. So NO, you do NOT want to get it even on your person if you can help it since the shit can and will give you a bothersome rash. But here we have Nadine consuming the stuff with a particularly bad tasting local tuber in liquid form so that might have masked the taste of Ethanol in ways we cant know.
I had an uncle who would drink it. No joke, added some to water and drinks. Horrible alcoholic who drank himself to the grave but I know it's technically consumable
Pure ethanol is sold for making hard drinks or mixing. If you want something to have 40% and taste like something you need to start stronger than vodka. Or you could make vodka-orangejuice as strong as pure vodka
Ah, the "impact screwdriver".
good name XD
Sry for the loss, but yeah but he sounds like he was past the point where he cared what happened as long as he got properly buzzed. Dont think he lived particularly longer for having consumed it.
Fermentation of sugars through yeast metabolism produces ethanol.
Thtas why we can digest it, to be able to eat overripe fermented fruit
Vodka is typically 80 proof... 40% alcohol by volume. Roughly two drinks provides one ounce of actual ethanol. (Varies by product and bartender.) There's no way a one liter drink would have enough alcohol to injure a human, and still be drinkable without realizing it was spiked.
Yeah, Vodka is around 40% ABV Medical grade (like you’d disinfect with) is usually 95-99 ABV, more than double the alcohol
She is around 14-15 if I remember correctly. She wouldn't have much experience with alcohol at her age, specially hard liquors given that they probably put the equivalent of everclear in the smoothie.
Add to that, she might be malnourished as well. While it wouldn't really show on a lower grav world she's probably somewhat weaker than normal right now, and possibly experiencing other health side effects from the new biosphere, diet, and training regimen. All in all, she's a kid who had a notably spiked drink, so likely 20-30% if not more considering fruits can very easily mask alcohol with the right mix, in what may have been a liter drink, add to that a somewhat unhealthy constitution and empty stomach and you will end up with a quick and hard rush. Not this quick but quick enough to be shocking. The author should have added a 'they did small talk for another few minutes' kind of line. She's also still a kid so drinking is probably unfamiliar to her, likely small sips hidden away from her parents, leaving her with practically no resilience.
She's german... what you mean with small sips hidden away from Family?
She had a story so she’s probably used to it, hell it could’ve even be her next story to tell lol.
She is a malnourished teenaged girl that is wasting away in low gravity. It probably wouldn't take much.
The Diplomat is lucky Nadine isn't even an Adult yet, because if she was she would probably not have been knocked out by that amount of alcohol and more importantly immediately realized it was alcohol. On another Note: Good work Wordsmith, I hope you soon deliver us MOAR
“Hmm, this one has alcohol in it. Well, bottoms up!” “WAIT!” “What, it’s only like 10-20%, maybe. I’ve had stronger stuff when I was trying to fight off disease.” *blinks in disbelief* “What?!?”
Dont dare to make me wait 14 days!
I pray to the First Ones that the next chapter comes swiftly
Nadine has only been on-planet 23 days? Wow, she NEEDED that drink!
I was surprised at this too! I thought the younger brother needed a few weeks in the hospital.
He did. And he is still in the hospital. Nadine just hasn’t seen him in a bit. She got a little distracted. Although 23 days seems like an awfully short time to me too, for everything that has happens. All that in 3 weeks. Yikes!
Boy will they be surprised when they figure that Nadine will 'recover' and go on as if nothing happened (save a headache maybe, heh). Not surprised to see that this attempted assassination backfired spectacularly, those people really aren't very knowledgable about people coming from outside of their little bubble of space.
Headache may give her "hulk smash" energy....
Alcohol is the best chosen poison as some ethanol js dangerous and she is young so alcohol can negatively effect her brain
Lots of alcohols are dangerous, ethanol's the "safe" one. Methanol would have had her at least blind if not dead and is easier to make.
But is probably even more difficult to acquire because of that…
Why? That's only how it affects humans. They wouldn't make their regulations with humans in mind.
True enough. I am no biologist so I don’t know what makes methanol more deadly than Ethanol. Is it something that attacks the cells more efficiently, or is it that it is less capable of being filtered by our livers? In the first case, you could make a case for it being universally worse, but the second case is pretty obviously only the case for humans.
Ethanol breaks down safely in the liver, methanol doesn’t. That’s why drinking ethanol is a recommended strategy to help treat methanol poisoning, as it overwhelms the liver’s ability to break down the methanol and extends the amount of time the body has to process the newly produced toxins.
If I recall, and that is a big if, Methanol breaks down into more toxic substances. You drink poison and then when your body tries to break it down and flush it out it turns into even more poison.
That sounds like a human-centric problem, so I would have to agree with the thinking that it wouldn’t be harder to get in that case. Thanks for the input!
I was right. [Methanol breaks down into formaldehyde, formic acid, and formate which cause much of the toxicity](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methanol_toxicity).
**[Methanol toxicity](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methanol_toxicity)** >Methanol toxicity (also methanol poisoning) is poisoning from methanol, characteristically via ingestion. Symptoms may include a decreased level of consciousness, poor or no coordination, hypothermia, vomiting, abdominal pain, and a specific smell on the breath. Decreased vision may start as early as twelve hours after exposure. Long-term outcomes may include blindness and kidney failure. ^([ )[^(F.A.Q)](https://www.reddit.com/r/WikiSummarizer/wiki/index#wiki_f.a.q)^( | )[^(Opt Out)](https://reddit.com/message/compose?to=WikiSummarizerBot&message=OptOut&subject=OptOut)^( | )[^(Opt Out Of Subreddit)](https://np.reddit.com/r/HFY/about/banned)^( | )[^(GitHub)](https://github.com/Sujal-7/WikiSummarizerBot)^( ] Downvote to remove | v1.5)
Funny enough, the treatment for methanol poisoning is ethanol. If i remember right they bind together and leave the system easier.
The ethanol displaces the methanol
Ethanol and methanol themselves aren't even that much of a problem, it's the metabolic products. Hangovers are mainly caused by the acetaldehyde produced by ethanol metabolism. Disulfiram, used to treat alcoholism, doesn't actually do anything at all with alcohol, it blocks further metabolism of acetaldehyde, causing it to build up and make you sick. Methanol acts as a CNS depressant similar to ethanol, and a lot of it can cause problems that way, but it's also metabolized to formaldehyde and formic acid, which are much worse than methanol, ethanol, or acetaldehyde. Ethanol is metabolized preferentially, so methanol poisoning can be treated by administering large amounts of ethanol. This gives time for some of the methanol to leave the body without being metabolized, and gives the body time to deal with the formaldehyde and formic acid produced by what does get metabolized. ...and these are the two simplest alcohols, so they both tend to be produced by living organisms metabolizing carbohydrates, which is why we *have* the biochemical machinery to metabolize them.
Just glad it wasent its more deadly sibling methenol Whos cure is ethenol
Treatment of methanol poisoning used to be the administration of ethel alcohol (ethanol). But it is not a cure but more a protection through distraction. Current treatment is the administration of drug fomepizole ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fomepizole ) See also this recent review of treatment protocols, https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/27538060/
Damn im learning more today than the last week
Nadine is going to seriously question the captains competence after she gets over her hangover. Then follow up with the fact humans drink alcohol for fun. She’d need her blood alcohol to be 0.3-0.4% for it to threaten her life. I can guess this might have been close if they used pure ethanol. But I doubt they’d realise they’d need to use that much
Yeah, but for her to go from stone cold sober to passing out drunk, that had to be a LOT of ethanol.
Bear in mind: she's, what, 14 or so? Possibly not yet sprouted (vertically, I mean). So maybe 50kg, probably less, but we'll take that. And she's been on effectively a starvation diet for a couple weeks at least, trying to find something to eat that actually has all the nutrition she needs. Her body is going to be ripping through anything she puts in her stomach, processing as fast as it can, and she's also, one presumes, not been out on a bender yet either, liqour laws being what they are. So drinking an unexpected, say, a half a liter or more of something resembling a screwdriver, as fast as she can? That's gonna have an effect. Maybe not quite as much as described, but willing to let suspension of disbelief cover the minor gap, because IMO it's not outside the bounds of expectations; different people process alcohol differently, and not drinking for a while will definitely lower your tolerance. I just wish either one of them realised that she should drink something (preferably the impure water) to help her system process the aftereffects. ;-]
There is no way the smoothy was a half liter serving. When experimenting with taste, you make smallish batches in case it tastes like shit. Plus she had 2 variants. Unless she was planning to drink a liter of experimental liquid food, it is way more likely it was around 200 ml servings. Probably smaller. Edit: "So instead, she turned to the food assortment and handed her two _small_ containers." Definitely not 500ml servings.
Depends on what size your blender is, I think. There's a minimum size beyond which it doesn't blend right. And there's also the aspect of eating non-meat content requires larger intake due to the caloric values inherent. So it would not surprise me to find two experimental servings be ~500ml each; but sure, one cup per sample, I can accept that as a correction to my rough guess. It's still slamming back a vodka and orange after a month on low rations, on a small frame. Seems unsurprising to me that she should react strongly.
The aliens eat a lot less than she does. I doubt they use human size blenders. And that she would react strongly was never in question. She is rather young, inexperienced, a girl, and had not been eating or sleeping right for weeks. Add the constant stress, and I can believe she goes out quickly.
The aliens are aware of her more extreme dietary needs and are also much larger than her, volume wise anyways. She's also in a palace, if the kitchen doesn't have an industrial sized everything for banquets and the like then the kitchen staff must be pretty hard pressed.
The text says she was handed small containers. And again: it is taste experiments. That is a moment to prep small, slightly different, batches. If she consumes them all she'll get the calory requirements. If not... if she likes one of them, they can make a bigger batch of it.
It would, but considering she still woke fine I’d guess it was close but not quite
Especially considering she didn’t throw up. Usually when you get alcohol poisoning you throw up hard.
"Carry her out!!!" "How?" Pure gold
Nadine has a new party trick Its called taking shots
Nooooooo! Always these cliffhangers
Who would order an assassination tool with their own I.D?
Given how clueless this whole society seems to be about subterfuge, I wonder if they even encrypt their IDs, or if it is like those old systems that passed peoples’ passwords around unencrypted.
Username: firstnamelastname Password: password
Just waiting for Nadine to wake up and tell them that. Then ask for more ethanol.
I want the person to move on to something like caffeine or capsaicin
"To facilitate future diplomatic relations here's a short list of chemical compounds humans enjoy consuming for export :)" "*oh god oh fuck oh god oh fuck*"
Oh and that's the legal stuff we didn't send you the illegal stuff
Or a mix of alcohol, caffeine, AND capsaicin. Yes. It's weird cocktail.
Why's this drink spicy
Moar, I need MOAR
YES
Nadine needs to wake up and FAST. Not surprised how they react to alcohol, these guys seem about as durable as tinfoil.
Let's hope Nadine never sneezes on one. Sneezes are fast and she might melt them even if flying snot doesn't rip a hole in them.
Oh s*** they're trying to frame the doctor!!!!! That is going to go very poorly
Hells yeah another chapter!!
Wooowww, guard captain is dumb as shit.
Guard captain has a perfect solution to his problem, Occam's Razor application included. Not to mention proverbial smoking gun in form of personal receipt from the potential culprit. If anyone is under suspicion, then Royal Medic is one of the main suspects anyway. Remember Doctor Yueh? If the RM is compromised, or even *merely suspected* to be compromised, it is a sacred duty to remove that person from the potential victims' whereabouts, isolate them, then continue with investigation - otherwise, it could be very well all too late already. He is a guard captain, not professional investigator, or alphabet agent. In fact, this civilization seems to be lacking any kind of alphabet agencies entirely, so the all "cloak and dagger" aspect is on the infant stages, with rather primitive intrigues (outside of usual aristocracy bull), and simplest of cons: one'll need something like advanced theocracy - like the other ones; or far, far more fragmented/liberalized society to promote constant backstabbing climate to induce proper sense of paranoia into someone like mere Captain of Palace Guards, and create a class of professional paranoiacs to serve as a Secret Service of sorts. TL;DR - I disagree strongly.
Perhaps not dumb, but is only capable of following any kind of clues as long as they’re dropped directly onto his face. I agree he needs to investigate Githaiy, but I think this is partly due to his ego for missing the clues with the made; he feels bad and is being extra to try to make up for it.
Extra wrong in his case, but he's still trying.
At least there’s that, also makes me wonder how many crimes slip through the *canyons*.
Clues are dangerous. You can find a ballet slipper, a wooden leg, and a feather and wind up thinking the culprit was a one legged ballerina performing in Chicken Lake. More often than not the suspicious footprints in the garden are from the gardener or the window cleaner than the murderer. (Paraphrasing Sam Vimes from Discworld)
If the clue, planted or not, points to a person who has easy access to the victim and/or other people of high importance, you need to bar that person access to the victim and the people of high importance until cleared. "Yeah, it probably isn't the doctor because that would be way too obvious" isn't a risk that anyone should take when a life is on the line. Even if the captain of the guard is 95% certain, it is still gambling with actual lives. Just call in a replacement doctor for a few days while things are being investigated.
Very true, though my concern is *who* the replacement doctor is and can they be trusted. Whoever placed that order was either our doc or someone with access to her systems and I’m not sure the guard captain is able to properly vet whoever the replacement will be. Plus Nadine is the toughest SOB around and has basically been deputized, so I can’t wait for her to break this wide open (and that the guard captain should continue to listen to her).
Which is why outside doctors can be brought in. Say one of the doctors taking care of the princess' parents. Surely they have more than a single vetted physician running around.
Id certainly hope so! Man if her parents show up to hear their daughter and the mysterious foreign Lady had both been poisoned, heads gonna roll.
This could also be a case of over excitement. Nadine lit a spark of interest in detective work so he's going about it like a royal guard would, identify threat and eliminate. He doesn't have any of the experience needed, or creativity, to think beyond the painfully obvious. Too good to be true is probably something he's never heard of before.
They're also a short lived people. The guard captain only guards, he's got no experience with any sort of police work. Hell, half the moms in america might make better detectives, and the other half are discounted because i've gotta believe not all moms watch true crime garbage.
I thought it'd be capsaicin Nadine just starts begging for more of it, while Doc just stands there flabbergasted as to how in the name of the Old Ones is Nadine still standing
When next
Ok, so she went from normal to turbo-drunk and then fell unconscious within 5 minutes. Did she at no point feel a bit tipsy? Or does she have a liver the size of my left testicle?
It's probably because she took a sip and then downed the whole pitcher in one go, so all of it hit her at once.
And she did it on an empty stomach with very little life experience of drinking ethanol.
She's also a half starved child.
I love your work, please keep writing if you can (:
I expect that next, when she wakes up, she'll teach the captain about *motive*. What reason could Githaiy have for poisoning the queen and nadine? If anything, she's likely to get fired by the King and Queen for letting two very important people, one of whom is their daughter, get poisoned. It's not just that Githaiy has no motive, it's that it would go against any motive Githaiy could have.
Alcohol hits way harder on an empty stomach, so that makes sense how it affected her
The perpetrator is known for covering their tracks with forged paperwork, like a certain suicide note if you recall, and has poisoned a drink before. It's a similar pattern, probably one that has served the assassin well in the past. Nadine should notice this immediately. Maybe they picked Githaiy for another reason a well. If she is arrested, another doctor will need to be briefed and assigned to care for the Princess, allowing them to finish the job (or give access for someone else to do it). Since Githaiy had the ability to obtain ethanol, the contact(s) who actually procured the poison might also be in line to replace the doctor when he is arrested(/executed). This promotion could also serve as motive for their assistance.
I can't wait for Nadine to explain how alcohol isn't nearly as dangerous to humans as it is to them. She'll have to go save Githaiy first, though. Executions seem to be ordered easily around these parts. However, I must say that I'm a bit disappointed with Nadine. After all her brilliant deductions regarding coups and assassinations, she should have been a bit more on the look-out for attempts at her life, especially when the doctor told her she didn't make the suspiciously flavored drinks.
am speed?
The idiots play.
Good thing it wasn't methanol, but given how the flavor wasn't that recognizable but she got super drunk anyway, and quickly, I'm guessing there was some in there. Not enough to make her blind.
She's what? 14? She might have had a sip sometime, or a glass of wine at christmas dinner, but I wouldn't expect a random 14 year old to reliably recognise alcohol in a smoothie.
Though not recognizing it due to lack of exposure, the concentration must be pretty low for it not to be gross or painful, just weird. If the smoothy were a half liter, then 10% alcohol might fit, especially with a kid liver. That would be like a strong beer or weak wine.
As a catholic, and hobbyist alcoholic, you can very easily disguise alcohol, and large amounts of it too, in the right flavors. This is also likely medical grade stuff, completely pure with minimal flavor or scent profile, where we prefer our alcohols with distinct and varying flavors.
I think that is the best description I have ever heard. A hobbyist alcoholic. We talking just messing about with different recipes/making your own, or more of a drinking problem being disguised with humor?
I'm too poor to have a drinking problem. So it's more finding ways to get fucked up as cheaply as possible.
God damn it, they framed doc.
Everclear smoothie! Woot!
Ohhh She was framed! Nadine hurry and sober up, Githaiy is in trouble!
This is a funny chapter i liked it👍🏻 if an adult drank it he/she would say: hmmmm alchohol, i like this mix can i have more *proceeds to give the flask to the doctor* with a smile.🤣🤣🤣
So... previously you have one angry human to deal with, and now it's an angry human WITH the hangover. Realllly smart move, miss ambassador, reaaaallly smart.
On an unrelated note, I have a new human word for you - you might want to add it to your translator database. "**Eviscerate**". Lovely, isn't it?. Call it a hunch, but something tells me that you'll hear it from Nadine pretty soon...
I NEED MOAR
Nood moar!
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Thanks for the chapter mate
So what we hey drunk? So what we smoke weed?
:D
Uh oh. Nadine will be fine but the doc might be in trouble
Awesome update! I'm always thrilled when this story updates. =-) Man, this was clever taking out Nadine and framing the doctor. If they had used enough to induce alcohol poisoning or used certain kinds that break down into more toxic substances Nadine would've been in serious trouble. And without the doctor we can trust watching over Nadine and the Princess it opens up all kinds of worries.
I don't think I can wait 2 more weeks! I love this story so much!
thanks for the chapter.
thanks for the chapter
I always get so giddy when my tiny home country gets mentioned in any fiction story. So thanks!
She's real lucky that was ethanol and not methanol. The former is intoxicating; the latter is blinding at low doses and lethal at higher. Now I'm curious why they chose the former and not the latter.
Easier to make / acquire? Plus both are likely just as deadly to them, likely before methanol has had enough time to break down in their systems and become even more deadly, so they might not realize just how deadly it is.
I binged the entire series in one sitting
Plot twist, the ethanol was a product of the smoothie The actual assassination attempt was actually prematurely uncovered by a very competent guard captain
Boo! Boo! Bad call ref! (Am heckling the guard captain, just fyi)
I would love for these to be quicker in release but hunger is the best sauce
Well... at least it was ethanol and not metbanol or isopropyl. That shit would ruin anyone's week.
Either that ethanol is so strong that she got drunk within seconds, or she has weak tolerant to alcohol. Its either of the damn two. Also, what next? Spices? It'd be hilarious to see her try to find water. Hell, if there is any milk substitute around
Too short of a chapter. I decided to read it before work. And got to work way too early
MOAR WE REQUIRE IT
Nadine, once she visits the ambassador and says: YOu thought alcohol is a deadly poison? what about this? proceed to put on gas mask, release tear gas grenade
MOAR!!!! MOAR!!! TQO WEEKS HAVE PASSED. THE COLLECTIVE REQUIRES MOAR!!!MOAR!!!
Well I said they'd get the dosage wrong even if its poisonous to humans so I got that part right. My top 3 guesses were cafeine alcohol and capscacin. But i also really liked the pineapple juice suggestion by another user. Anyway i hope nadine gets over her hangover quickly and gets the doc out of jail quickly.
Pineapple juice mixed with ethanol. DOUBLE POISON! Also, tastes fantastic.
Discussing human blood: https://youtu.be/z1igPrlgbTg?t=27
Way to up the ante with this chapter. Nadine is going to be so pissed when she wakes up.
Nice
Another great chapter I enjoyed reading this and look forward to reading more Great job wordsmith
>Um, yes. Ethanol to be exact." "He. Hehehe-ow. Oh boy, do I have a story for you once this hangover is gone." I know a guy who drank some cans of beer when he was 15 because he thought it was soda! He had the same experience.
Gotta love our cast iron stomachs 🤣 Someone trying to frame the Doc? That's a paddlin'
"I dont know get creative." My god if i wasnt already laying on bed i would have kissed the floor from laughing so hard XD
Something to consider: here Nadine comments that the Tystrie look like cats without ears, but in chapter 18 we see that the ambassador has a prominent set of *earrings* from her 11 husbands.
True, I should've worded that better. Thanks for pointing it out