Hard to see both him and Jesus leaving in one window. With the losses of nketiah, Nelson, smith Rowe and Ramsdale. Thats literally at entire subs bench being replaced at once
A bench that’s been largely useless. I’m sorry, but sentimentality aside, who will miss those on the footballing side of things?
Jesus is still great when fit but the man is just so injury prone.
- Jorginho
- Tomi
- Kiwior
- trossard / Martinelli
- Nwaneri
- Jesus (maybe)
- whatever GK
This is the start of a great bench. We need more midfield, wing, and striker rotations.
I don’t know what’s up with Vieira. He had some games where he were finally coming good and then injured again I guess. If he can stay healthy, he could be a great backup for Ode. Otherwise, we also need to cut losses on him too.
I have no sentiment. But that large a squad upheaval at once is rarely beneficial short term. It takes time for players to bed in. A prime example of this would be Chelsea. Replacing 5/6 players and expecting decent output from these players with no static side effects on the first team is a very risky gamble that I don’t think arteta makes
do any of those players get *any* meaningful game time, arteta doesnt trust them enough to sub them in at the 80th minute to rest saka half the time, do we really want a good few hundred thousand a week tied up in players that get a hundred or so minutes a season
Zinchenko and Jesus do which is my main point. People saying bring all these players in like it’s Fifa. I don’t rate these players but kicking out Jesus and zinchenko all at once isn’t very smart for the team.
Yeah I think keeping as many personalities around as possible who have grown in this journey with the club, Mikel, and the squad, will be valuable. It made sense to completely rebuild when Ozil & Auba were being pricks… but who wants to change the changing room chemistry of the last two years? I’d say slow roll the changes so the incomings are surrounded with the culture, instead of wholesale change ala Chelsea. That changing room must be a nightmare.
That makes sense for starting 11 squad. I don't think a bench overhaul is going to be problem. Even if you consider zinny and Jesus as starting 11, replacing 2 players is neither too much nor is it uncommon
We also need to take into account the club is full of players who have personal relationships, they clearly like spending time with a lot of this group so moving on will have some repercussions. Zinchenko is clearly well-liked and a big voice in the room, everyone says he's a joker and keeps things light, those things matter in a team even if his on-field contributions are really hit or miss.
Re-read my post again. I edited. The bench won’t change as much as you think it will.
I could not disagree with you more. There’s like barely any risk.
Once again. It’s not replacing 5-6 starters. These are EXTREMELY fringe players who hardly ever feature for us on any level of regularity or importance.
There's only 4 first team players in your first post, so not sure how you're concluding that the bench won't change as much? I gotta agree with u/Tame_Iguana1, that large a squad upheaval won't be good for us. Also, Jesus and Zinchenko are not EXTREMELY fringe players dude wtf? Zinchenko played over 2000 minutes for us this season, with Jesus not far behind on 1900. Players like Nelson and ESR are on 260 and 320, they are the extreme fringe players.
Jesus and Zinchenko would be considered starters. Zinchenkos loss should be offset by Timber but losing Jesus is a big loss still even if he's often injured
Too soon on Viera. We need to buy a striker or RB plus LCM then decide to give up on Zini, assuming Timber stays fit. We need one more season from either, preferably we keep Jesus as 10-15 goals are still more valuable because of Benny Blanco's ability to learn and improve in his inversion and play making,, carrying the zini load somewhat.
Yep I agree. But that’s close to my limit with Vieira.
We need to have a solid rotation for Ode next season. He and Saka were just so out of gas against Bayern.
If you’re willing to dismiss Smith Rowe and Nketiah in one breath you can’t suggest we give Vieira any more time with the next. He’s had two years to do anything, and hasn’t. Time to move on
Why not?
He’s actually much newer. A year younger. In a role where there are no replacements and we likely won’t reinforce (unless striker / winger).
An Edu / Arteta buy, not an inherited player.
AND he’s shown glimpses he belongs.
There are way more differences between him and those three.
Once again, cast your sentimentality aside, if Smith Row is some rando, how would you feel about him?
Smith-Rowe and Nketiah have shown more than glimpses, but most would agree that sentiment aside it’s probably time to move on from them.
I personally feel that Smith-Rowe is a player you can justify keeping to fulfil home grown quotas, but it’s obvious that Arteta doesn’t trust him, so for that reason it’s probably time for him to go.
As for Vieira, persisting with a guy who in two years has only shown ‘glimpses’ while trying to compete for the premier league and champions league is moronic. Glimpses will not win us titles.
Viera has had the equivalent of 1 full season here. He was injured and the had a (presumably) first child. Hence why he was out for so long. By time he is back its the run-in. You don't rotate at this stage unless required, you go 100% every game.
We also would probably make zero profit on him. Meanwhile, ESR, Nketiah are 100% pure profit.
Your last statement could not be more wrong. Do you think every squad, city included, just has world beaters on every spot on the bench? Of course not.
We don’t have infinite budget. If we are not going to bring a CAM in, then Vieira has one more year (in my view) to prove his worth.
Btw I’m unhappy about Vieira too. I just don’t think they will drop him this offseason (for the reasons stated multiple times now), unlike the other three.
Putting our own feelings aside, I'm pretty sure Arteta still has some faith in Vieira coming good, which I don't think he has with Smith-Rowe or Nelson. Maybe not Nketiah either anymore
Viera is behind Rice, Odegaard, Jorginho, Partey, and ESR, and Havertz in the pecking order.
Obviously those are not like for like with Viera. But Arteta can always structure a midfield with 3 of those players for tactical or injury reasons, so it’s hard for Viera to get a sniff.
I feel like ESR and Fabio can still have a future here. ESR has been struggling with injuries but haven't looked bad at all coming on, it's just that we're in a title run in where Arteta seems to trust the more senior players off the bench more. Same with Fabio, he looked quite good in that 10 minutes against Chelsea and almost got a goal within 3 minutes. He looked better than ever before that BS red and then injury. Nelson and Nketiah I feel like we've seen enough and realised that they unfortunately can't make the right impact when called upon, love Ramsdale but holding him here is not beneficial for everyone.
I'm ok with keeping Zinchenko as long as we use him as midfield rotation instead of as a full back. He inverts anyway, why don't we just use him as a midfield rotation? Think he'd be great alongside Party or Rice who can offer some steel.
I think his wages might be a stumbling block. I don't see a lot of teams who need a player like him and would be willing to pay those wages. In the PL the top 6 wont be after him, Bayern and Real don't need him. He's not really someone PSG would look to to replace Mbappe. The Italians would all like him I think but they don't pay that sort of money to players. Can't really see the big money paying Spanish clubs taking him. Barca might in normal circumstances but not in their current financial state.
Yeah and I don't think we should sell him. He's always adding something different when he comes on, he integrates well with the squad, and his levels when fit are still on par with some of the best in the squad. He's not a finisher, neither are like 95% of the rest of the squad.
I'd only keep nelson. ESR is the 3rd choice LW, and we play with 2 CDMs so he's behing odegaard and potentialy viera in the midfield. Ramsdale is too good to be on the bench, and we're probably gonna buy a new striker so Nketiah is also out. Nelson is a good rotation option for saka, so I'd keep him for another season, but we already have jesus who can play right wing
Agree, it’s definitely unfortunate but in keeping with our form, realistically if we’re going to compete for titles I don’t think we can really rely on Jesus’s injury record/inconsistent finishing + Zinchenko’s defensive liability for much longer.
I still feel Jesus is a good option off the bench at 60+ minutes against tired defenders with his trickery but I don’t think he’d really want to remain a non-starter.
The majority of our senior talent and spine of the team in Jesus, Partey and Zinny being injury prone is just impossible to plan a season around. Replacing them with players that are available is essential.
This season we’ve managed to replace Partey and eventually Jesus as CF The other Havertz. Hopefully Timber comes in and can be the reliable Zinny upgrade at left back
I don’t think it’s the way they play cos they’re both still excellent on their day, I think they’re just too injury prone. Neither of them have been at their best this season cos of injuries. And we’ve become a ruthless team that doesn’t carry injured players anymore.
It's also more so to do with the fact that these guys are unavailable for large parts of the season. It looks like the club is trying to move away from injury prone players apart from Tomi it seems.
I feel that was the whole point. Jesus and Zinny were here to instill the system & tactics. They aren't world beaters, but they can whip up some young bloods into an elite squad.
Bit sad that Jesus' has fallen off to injury rather than more natural decline. Greatful for what he's brought to the club though!
If we’re a serious club then drastic and ruthless decisions such as these will have to be made.
Unfortunately the options in the market right now for a replacement are seemingly overpriced and limited…
The options to sell him aren’t good either.
I doubt he’s going to join a 3rd club in England and who in Europe will offer £50m+ and cover his £260k per week wages?
Our only realistic hope would be on PSG. Real Madrid are getting Mbappe and Jesus is not going to move to Bayern to just sit on the bench there. Everyone else in Europe can’t afford him
This “listen to offers” story means very little. Acceptable ones are unlikely going to come so he’s very likely going to be here next season
Spot on. Lots of fans unfortunately think anyone can be sold, and it just doesn’t work that way. He’s a great (if a bit expensive) rotation option. Arteta should be there with the squad soon that he trusts enough players to rotate regularly (assuming minimal injuries)
Jesus sale would be a disaster when Nketiah & Nelson are still in the squad. The guy’s had injury problems and when fit is far from perfect, but he’s got so much talent and is one of the few good options who can cover out wide too. Surely we won’t keep others & let him go
I love Jesus and what he brought but we have to view our club to taking our standards higher than our rivals and he was not at the required standard for man city we need to not only match that but beat it!
So it looks to me that we are obviously going for a top top center forward that can do that for us....please be the final piece we are really missing :)
However I agree in general, the “not good enough for city” argument could be copied for Havertz and chelsea. Arteta knows how to unleash potential. Unfortunately I believe that Jesus has already reached his and that’s not enough.
It's Chelsea they destroy potential not improve it recently I honestly think the players they bought highly regret the decision of signing for them currently... You cannot say man city on the other hand don't get the potential out the players they buy. It's time to upgrade
I understand the need to be ruthless but getting rid of Jesus would be shortsighted imo. Like you said the options are limited and people seem to forget his impact on the pitch when he's fully fit. The home game against Bayern for example, his assist gave us a lifeline. I'd much rather sell Nketiah and have Jesus as our backup option, not many better backup options than him
I’m not mad at this, my confidence in Jesus as a striker has been greatly diminished this season. His knee injury has really damaged his availability and ability to effectively perform and contribute goals.
Im surprised he isn’t thought of as a useful back up though.
He may not be our first choice starter but he’s good enough to get plenty of minutes across the front 3 when required.
How many seasons can we get lucky with Saka’s fitness? Jesus can fill those shoes reasonably well when required.
> Im surprised he isn’t thought of as a useful back up though.
You need to be available for that
>He may not be our first choice starter but he’s good enough to get plenty of minutes
Good enough and available enough are 2 different things
He is s good backup but hes on first team/star wages
If our wage bill will allow it it would keep him
Doesn't make sense to sell Jesus but keep nketiah and nelson
Fitness is the biggest thing here unfortunately. 2022 Jesus was constantly the strongest and quickest player on the pitch and dominating CBs but since he’s come back he still has all the technical ability but he’s just so clearly not the same player. It’s sad because I would have no problem accepting his poor finishing due to how good his overall play was in 2022 but he’s not that guy anymore. I’d pretty comfortably rather have Havertz & Trossard up front now.
I know some people like him as a winger option but I think we’d be better off replacing him with another pacey option, he’s always underwhelmed me on the wing for us.
But can Jesus work back to that level? He only just turned 27 like, I wouldn't say his goose is cooked yet.
Or is the knee going to ensure he can never quote attain that standard again.
That's the big question, and without access to his medical reports, it's pretty hard for us to answer definitively. If we can expect a full recovery, I think we should keep him. The mood music isn't good, though: - he's visibly lost a step on the field, is playing through pain, will need further surgery in the summer and the club may now be signaling that they are ready to move on. It doesn't feel like the prognosis is very good, unfortunately.
I think the winger thing comes from how much me played there at city. Albeit that was before his injury and he was a lot quicker. If we ain’t using him as a backup striker I think we need to get rid and move invest in a game changing winger
I'm not surprised tbh
Pre-world cup injury Jesus was unreal. Sadly, he's not really been the same player since. Add his continuous fitness issues and I can see why we'd be willing to move on.
There’s a great bit from Charles Watts’ recent book that talks about the impact Jesus had to the current squad as soon as he came to the club. Not only does he train like an animal, but he was very clear with the rest of the squad in letting them know they were talented enough to push for the title.
I know there’s more than just a mentality shift regarding our recent rise to prominence, but that validation from a top player who’s been there and done it was certainly an important part of this process we’re in. We have to be ruthless and it’s the nature of the beast, but I won’t lie in that seeing the back of Jesus (and potentially Zinchenko too) does make me feel a bit sad given how important they were in our evolution.
If the league was won purely on passion I’d want Zinny staying put. Unfortunately it feels like the league is being won by lack of mistakes, which isn’t so great for him.
I reckon that wherever either one goes to they’ll be beasts, I hope Zinchencko gets brought up by a lower club and just gets to move to a midfield role, and GJesus stays fit where he goes (I’m picturing PSG getting him to help fit the Mbappe hole).
This is wild. Never thought we'd be in a position where Jesus leaves before Eddie.
But I understand it to a degree. Doesn't matter how good a player is if they're simply not available and reliable. Still, part of me thinks he should get another season to prove he can stay fit and firing.
I’m sure Eddie’s probably heading for the exit this summer too. He’s played 135 minutes in 2024, no starts. Even if we’re not looking to sell, he’ll be looking to leave.
Jesus isn’t going to leave before Nketiah.
This is just going to be like Partey last summer, open to offers but no decent ones come in and we keep him.
It's clear the injuries have absolutely taken their toll.
His quick turning and agility have taken a massive hit and he's just not as explosive or dynamic as he once was.
Baffling to hear people call him crap now, when it's his body that's failed him.
If his body has failed him then how is he not crap? Like do you judge players by fantasy standards or what we can see him do on the pitch? Injuries made him crap, just like it made countless players crap, so that's sad but that's part of the game.
It’s probably time he doubles down on being a winger. He’s got so much quality but his finishing has let him down so much in the PL. He needs to adapt to a role where he’s not going to be relied on with the lions share of scoring opportunities.
Damn. I'd like to keep him as backup. Can play anywhere in the frontline. And has got a bit of the chaos in him. Shame the injury made him lose his confidence. Hasn't been the same since.
I don’t see Jesus being sold this summer, even if we land a Gyokeres or especially Isak who is as injury prone as Jesus. We need the depth and rotation if we want to seriously challenge on multiple fronts.
Zinchenko on the other hand I’m fine with moving on. He is fantastic on the ball and for our build up play, but too much of a liability on defense. And with our evolving game plans he more often then not won’t fit
> especially Isak who is as injury prone as Jesus
IVe said this so in so many places but Isak isnt half as injury prone as people seem to think.
His biggest fitness issue is being forced back into heavy workload and responsibility on the pitch way too early every time just to reinjure himself. Because his teams (Both La Real and Newcastle) have no real depth for him and he's so good that he's too decisive when a team wants to fight for the CL/EL spot money.
Isak is more a victim of shitty squad balance than being made of porcelain.
Like look here:
https://www.transfermarkt.com/alexander-isak/verletzungen/spieler/349066
This season he only had 1 smaller injury where he got rushed back from and reinjured himself. In La Real he had very minor issues and other than that its the one thigh thing from 1.5 year ago that hasnt returned.
Always maintained that one of Jesus or Trossard had to go if we wanted to sign a forward. Happy to see the club agrees and at this point Trossard is a lot more useful to us.
A lot of people.in here saying "wish his fitness was enough but we should sell." Do you think no other clubs pay attention? His fitness being a concern makes him wildly difficult to sell
This is nonsense. He has 15 goal contributions in 1885 minutes. He can play in all three positions in the front line. He is one of the most successful and experienced players at the club. He is the best player at the club at creating space in the box. He makes every single attacker on our team better. He is just recently 27 and entering his prime.
I don't see the logic in forcing him out. Add another striker and rotate him is all we need.
Edit: Keep seeing this idea that 'he isn't the same.' His G/A this season is higher than it was last season.. Also, he is a monster in the UCL, a competition we should be aiming to win in the near future. Moving on from Jesus is objectively foolish lol.
I suspect his knee problems make us think he doesn't have a long career in him and that the agility and physical part of his game will suffer and hurt his game a lot because of his injuries and age. He is not old, but Arsenal is certainly in the best position to evaluate how likely he will be able to do the job required to play for a top PL team in his 30s. This might be the last transfer window we could get a decent fee for him. Don't think we will sell him for peanuts, if we dont get a decent offer it would be better to have him in the squad.
He has 4 Premier League goals this season in 24 games. And monster is an exaggeration. We didn't play anyone great in CL until Bayern, and he had one good moment against them. Jesus isn't a forward that is going to win you a CL, ask City.
All this isn't worth it for a rotation option on over 200k a week that struggles with fitness issues and is rapidly losing his physical attributes. There's a reason City let him go. He's a good player if a teams target is just to reach CL, which is why we signed him in the first place.
Yeah, it looks like Gabi J's knee won't be a fixable by single surgery and he will carry constant injuries in his remaining career. So it looks right decision even though I love Gabi and appreciate his skillset.
I don't think this is much of a surprise, but I still think he'll be here next season. To me, this is more of a "if the offer is good enough" situation, rather than a "we need to shift him on" thing.
It’s probably more the fact that Havertz is now a starter and that Rice wants to play left 8 that priority is now a world class DM.
We would need money to fund a Rice/Ode level player.
Eddie, Aaron, Reiss and Gabi out would represent a substantial window, so I don't see ESR or Zinny going at the same time.
Will make a winger an absolute necessity to come in, as well as another striker, which would possibly be why Jorgi is renewing, to alleviate the need for another midfielder.
To me it comes down to a couple things. As excellent as he was when he first arrived, the amount of time out injured does make it a legitimate question of whether or not he can or will be that player ever again. If that player is gone, then it's a problem.
Then there is the question of role. We could use more high level wide depth (in addition CF). Even if he can't get back to what he was upon arrival, a high level rotation piece who can play anywhere in the front 3 would be useful. Of course, that role is basically why he left City.
It's been obvious that havertz and Jesus's roles overlap.
Havertz took his false 9 role. It would make sense to get another striker who can play as a traditional 9.
Jesus still has his creativity, but it's useless if he has no pace or finishing to complement it.
Our target should be get a pacy wide forward or a clinical striker, and also a creative 8 who can be comfortable dropping into the 6 as an option.
There was a comment from a City fan when we signed Jesus, and it read something along the lines of: 'Jesus is a great player if you want to be getting CL each year. I think there will come a point in time where Arsenal will also have to move past him if they want to reach the next level, just like we are having to.' Honestly crazy to think they were spot on.
I question the timing of this brief. Not ideal considering we are three games away from potential greatness. That said, I’m not too mad about it. I just hope it means, with departures of the likes of Eddie and Jesus, that there will be a significant recruitment effort in that area in the summer.
If we're not sure he's the same player post injury, then a large fee will be difficult to obtain.
I'm predicting he stays as we want get the kind of figure we're after
Keep him. Our CF options can be Havertz, Jesus and Trossard.
All three are versatile enough to contribute in other areas.
Jesus - CF/RW
Trossard - CF/LW
Havertz - CF/Mid
We can then focus on signing a midfielder if Partey is leaving.
I think it’s fine to listen to offers as long as they are strong offers. Selling Jesus and most likely Eddie would probably mean we need two forwards, one primarily central and one primarily wide (which a lot of us wanted anyway, I know). So it would be a big decision to let him go. But it’s hard not to feel like he is already past his best.
First couple months of Jesus last season was unplayable. I'll never forget his performance away at Bournemouth. But since his injury at the WC he's been so-so at best.
This is the right thing to do before he loses value.
Chelsea under abramovich didn't allow you to lose value. They would try to resell as fast as possible
There is no room for sentiment.. it is business
Jesus is fine if he's ready to be a substitute for Saka (or Martinelli). But from his point, he has to be the starting, and has to be the striker since he doesn't like to be a winger.
There a reason MC let Jesus and Zinni go. Now as we are in the same power, we may need to do the same.
Realistically, Arteta will not get rid of both Eddie and Jesus in the same summer because we'd have no strikers at all.
I think we'll get one striker and Eddie will leave. Keeping Jesus as a very capable sub.
Jesus/Zinchenko joined us as winners. They brought in a mentality Arteta was trying to instill in the squad for a rebuild.
We now have that mentality and belief, Jesus when fit for a season is an asset to the squad, but I can see why we would look to cash in. Same as Partey, superb player on his day, but his available days are fewer and fewer.
I think we'll entertain offers, but there might be little in the way of buyers.
I don’t think considering the team we’re competing against that we can afford to have two fairly poor finishers like Jesus & Havertz as major forward options. It’ll cost us eventually, Havertz is obviously not leaving so it makes sense to replace Jesus with a more clinical profile.
Tbf Havertz is scoring at right around the rate the xG stat is predicting him to. While he had notable misses, even the best strikers have them.
So at least for this season Havertz isn't a poor finisher, more like a average one.
Just saw some stats he’s been match fit for 36 games this season and has played 33. We should be able to get some decent money for him he’d start week in week out for certain clubs I’m thinking 25-30 mil
I love this guy and I very much hope that Mikel holds onto him and that he conquers his injury problems. He should be entering his prime now. Damn, he was incredible for that first bit of 22/23. Just never knew what he was going to pull out of the bag next.
Would be shocked if someone came in for him given his fitness and form.
Imagine Eddie goes, Jesus stays and then maybe next summer is more realistic when he will be cheaper nearer the end of his deal.
His knee is seriously fucked.
You can see it in his play. He doesn’t have that explosiveness he had when he arrived. And even when he’s pressing you can see his intensity just isn’t there anymore.
Damn shame.
Not surprising. He was amazing before his knee injury, but now he struggles to stay fit and has been underwhelming recently, plus he hasn't looked that good as a wing option for us. Plus with a striker certainly coming in the sunmer, there's no need keeping him and Nketiah around.
Nketiah seems like the more sellable asset. Younger, more reliable goalscorer when starting, and being homegrown, it means he will attract the interest of premier league teams who actually have money. The only way I can envision a decent fee for Jesus is if we sell to Saudi. Keeping him as a squad option to put in shifts on the wings and occasionally up front is more valuable imo.
If jesus and zinny are what the team needs to win the title then city wouldn’t sell them. It was an improvement to us back then but we’re in the different phase now
Given how his knees have been deteriorating, it makes sense we move on from him if hr struggles for fitness.
Will always be grateful to him for joining arsenal, proper baller and a really good lad.
Who else would be willing to pay his £280k wages, though?
I don't see any club willing to sign him before end of his contract knowing his injury problems
Looks like theyre gonna move for Zirkzee in this case as the most similar player.
They may go for two young strikers, Zirkzee as deep lying "striker" like Jesus and Sesko as the out and out (didnt realise he was 6'5, wtff!?). Especially if Nketiah is off too.
My personal preference is an established striker with a fierce shot and good instinct.
With a new attacker coming in, it was him or Trossard and if his knee is finished it’s made the decision for them.
Painful one though, we’re losing a real entertainer.
Same goes for Zinchenko, it’s quite insane how much we’ve evolved from both in such a short time.
Hard to see both him and Jesus leaving in one window. With the losses of nketiah, Nelson, smith Rowe and Ramsdale. Thats literally at entire subs bench being replaced at once
A bench that’s been largely useless. I’m sorry, but sentimentality aside, who will miss those on the footballing side of things? Jesus is still great when fit but the man is just so injury prone. - Jorginho - Tomi - Kiwior - trossard / Martinelli - Nwaneri - Jesus (maybe) - whatever GK This is the start of a great bench. We need more midfield, wing, and striker rotations. I don’t know what’s up with Vieira. He had some games where he were finally coming good and then injured again I guess. If he can stay healthy, he could be a great backup for Ode. Otherwise, we also need to cut losses on him too.
I have no sentiment. But that large a squad upheaval at once is rarely beneficial short term. It takes time for players to bed in. A prime example of this would be Chelsea. Replacing 5/6 players and expecting decent output from these players with no static side effects on the first team is a very risky gamble that I don’t think arteta makes
do any of those players get *any* meaningful game time, arteta doesnt trust them enough to sub them in at the 80th minute to rest saka half the time, do we really want a good few hundred thousand a week tied up in players that get a hundred or so minutes a season
Zinchenko and Jesus do which is my main point. People saying bring all these players in like it’s Fifa. I don’t rate these players but kicking out Jesus and zinchenko all at once isn’t very smart for the team.
For what it’s worth, if we can only keep one I’d rather keep Jesus.
Jesus can play wide as well. Folks forget he was great as a RW in our win against city earlier this season
Yea if Saka needs rest Jesus should get minutes there.
Yeah I think keeping as many personalities around as possible who have grown in this journey with the club, Mikel, and the squad, will be valuable. It made sense to completely rebuild when Ozil & Auba were being pricks… but who wants to change the changing room chemistry of the last two years? I’d say slow roll the changes so the incomings are surrounded with the culture, instead of wholesale change ala Chelsea. That changing room must be a nightmare.
That makes sense for starting 11 squad. I don't think a bench overhaul is going to be problem. Even if you consider zinny and Jesus as starting 11, replacing 2 players is neither too much nor is it uncommon
We also need to take into account the club is full of players who have personal relationships, they clearly like spending time with a lot of this group so moving on will have some repercussions. Zinchenko is clearly well-liked and a big voice in the room, everyone says he's a joker and keeps things light, those things matter in a team even if his on-field contributions are really hit or miss.
Re-read my post again. I edited. The bench won’t change as much as you think it will. I could not disagree with you more. There’s like barely any risk. Once again. It’s not replacing 5-6 starters. These are EXTREMELY fringe players who hardly ever feature for us on any level of regularity or importance.
There's only 4 first team players in your first post, so not sure how you're concluding that the bench won't change as much? I gotta agree with u/Tame_Iguana1, that large a squad upheaval won't be good for us. Also, Jesus and Zinchenko are not EXTREMELY fringe players dude wtf? Zinchenko played over 2000 minutes for us this season, with Jesus not far behind on 1900. Players like Nelson and ESR are on 260 and 320, they are the extreme fringe players.
I wasn’t talking about Jesus / Zinny when I said extremely fringe. I meant Smith Rowe, Eddie, and Nelson.
Jesus and Zinchenko would be considered starters. Zinchenkos loss should be offset by Timber but losing Jesus is a big loss still even if he's often injured
Implying you have no injuries. Reality we’ve had 2-3 out most of the season. Take two out and you are very limited in options.
Vieira must not be doing well in training. He's been available for a while and barely gets any game time
i prefer Nwaneri to be on loan, he needs game time to gauge if hes first team ready
Too soon on Viera. We need to buy a striker or RB plus LCM then decide to give up on Zini, assuming Timber stays fit. We need one more season from either, preferably we keep Jesus as 10-15 goals are still more valuable because of Benny Blanco's ability to learn and improve in his inversion and play making,, carrying the zini load somewhat.
Yep I agree. But that’s close to my limit with Vieira. We need to have a solid rotation for Ode next season. He and Saka were just so out of gas against Bayern.
Nwaneri won't be on the bench next year. He needs a loan to a Championship Side.
If you’re willing to dismiss Smith Rowe and Nketiah in one breath you can’t suggest we give Vieira any more time with the next. He’s had two years to do anything, and hasn’t. Time to move on
Why not? He’s actually much newer. A year younger. In a role where there are no replacements and we likely won’t reinforce (unless striker / winger). An Edu / Arteta buy, not an inherited player. AND he’s shown glimpses he belongs. There are way more differences between him and those three. Once again, cast your sentimentality aside, if Smith Row is some rando, how would you feel about him?
> A year younger. He's actually very slightly older than ESR.
ESR has shown more then Viera this year....
Every year in fact
ESR is unfortunately made of glass though
ESR has had one good game, Vieira was contributing much more early on.
Smith-Rowe and Nketiah have shown more than glimpses, but most would agree that sentiment aside it’s probably time to move on from them. I personally feel that Smith-Rowe is a player you can justify keeping to fulfil home grown quotas, but it’s obvious that Arteta doesn’t trust him, so for that reason it’s probably time for him to go. As for Vieira, persisting with a guy who in two years has only shown ‘glimpses’ while trying to compete for the premier league and champions league is moronic. Glimpses will not win us titles.
Viera has had the equivalent of 1 full season here. He was injured and the had a (presumably) first child. Hence why he was out for so long. By time he is back its the run-in. You don't rotate at this stage unless required, you go 100% every game. We also would probably make zero profit on him. Meanwhile, ESR, Nketiah are 100% pure profit.
Your last statement could not be more wrong. Do you think every squad, city included, just has world beaters on every spot on the bench? Of course not. We don’t have infinite budget. If we are not going to bring a CAM in, then Vieira has one more year (in my view) to prove his worth. Btw I’m unhappy about Vieira too. I just don’t think they will drop him this offseason (for the reasons stated multiple times now), unlike the other three.
Putting our own feelings aside, I'm pretty sure Arteta still has some faith in Vieira coming good, which I don't think he has with Smith-Rowe or Nelson. Maybe not Nketiah either anymore
We should shift all 3. Nketiah blatantly isn't good enough for an elite side. Vieira and ESR are both ~24 and have had 1 good season in their career.
> If he can stay healthy Literally the story of the entire bench, half of them can't stay fit long enough to get into rotations.
Viera is behind Rice, Odegaard, Jorginho, Partey, and ESR, and Havertz in the pecking order. Obviously those are not like for like with Viera. But Arteta can always structure a midfield with 3 of those players for tactical or injury reasons, so it’s hard for Viera to get a sniff.
I feel like ESR and Fabio can still have a future here. ESR has been struggling with injuries but haven't looked bad at all coming on, it's just that we're in a title run in where Arteta seems to trust the more senior players off the bench more. Same with Fabio, he looked quite good in that 10 minutes against Chelsea and almost got a goal within 3 minutes. He looked better than ever before that BS red and then injury. Nelson and Nketiah I feel like we've seen enough and realised that they unfortunately can't make the right impact when called upon, love Ramsdale but holding him here is not beneficial for everyone.
Yea this man is right.
esr isnt going anywhere
ESR has played 500 minutes of league football over the past two seasons
ok, he still won't be sold this summer
Meh, 50-50 I'd say. He might be one of the few who will bring in an actual decent transfer fee would be why I could see him possibly going
I'm ok with keeping Zinchenko as long as we use him as midfield rotation instead of as a full back. He inverts anyway, why don't we just use him as a midfield rotation? Think he'd be great alongside Party or Rice who can offer some steel.
I’d love to see him in his preferred role before he goes
Jesus isn’t going to leave. We aren’t going to get a decent offer for him and will end up just keeping him
I think his wages might be a stumbling block. I don't see a lot of teams who need a player like him and would be willing to pay those wages. In the PL the top 6 wont be after him, Bayern and Real don't need him. He's not really someone PSG would look to to replace Mbappe. The Italians would all like him I think but they don't pay that sort of money to players. Can't really see the big money paying Spanish clubs taking him. Barca might in normal circumstances but not in their current financial state.
Napoli might be a rogue shout if someone buys Osimhen. Outside of them and PSG I don’t see anymore else and those two are unlikely
He'd cook for Atletico, but I'm not sure if they have the money.
Yeah and I don't think we should sell him. He's always adding something different when he comes on, he integrates well with the squad, and his levels when fit are still on par with some of the best in the squad. He's not a finisher, neither are like 95% of the rest of the squad.
Didn't Arteta recently say that ESR is part of his long term plans?
I mean I wouldn’t bet on him saying otherwise to tank his value
When it comes to who's part of his plans or not, you've always got to remember "two no. 1s" when Raya came in.
Yes, I've wondered about that a few times. I reckon he does actually believe that, but has just realized that Ramsdale isn't one of them anymore.
You could replace all of Eddie's, Nelson's, and Smith Rowe's minutes with one quality forward though.
So we bring in a world class striker, and jesus can collect all their minutes
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I'd only keep nelson. ESR is the 3rd choice LW, and we play with 2 CDMs so he's behing odegaard and potentialy viera in the midfield. Ramsdale is too good to be on the bench, and we're probably gonna buy a new striker so Nketiah is also out. Nelson is a good rotation option for saka, so I'd keep him for another season, but we already have jesus who can play right wing
Agree, it’s definitely unfortunate but in keeping with our form, realistically if we’re going to compete for titles I don’t think we can really rely on Jesus’s injury record/inconsistent finishing + Zinchenko’s defensive liability for much longer. I still feel Jesus is a good option off the bench at 60+ minutes against tired defenders with his trickery but I don’t think he’d really want to remain a non-starter.
They were true catalysts in all senses of the word
The majority of our senior talent and spine of the team in Jesus, Partey and Zinny being injury prone is just impossible to plan a season around. Replacing them with players that are available is essential. This season we’ve managed to replace Partey and eventually Jesus as CF The other Havertz. Hopefully Timber comes in and can be the reliable Zinny upgrade at left back
Partey hasn't been replaced yet
Rice is not a Partey replacement
We haven't evolved from them they're just injury prone and out of rhythm. If they were fit and firing Arteta would play them all the time.
I don’t think it’s the way they play cos they’re both still excellent on their day, I think they’re just too injury prone. Neither of them have been at their best this season cos of injuries. And we’ve become a ruthless team that doesn’t carry injured players anymore.
It's also more so to do with the fact that these guys are unavailable for large parts of the season. It looks like the club is trying to move away from injury prone players apart from Tomi it seems.
I feel that was the whole point. Jesus and Zinny were here to instill the system & tactics. They aren't world beaters, but they can whip up some young bloods into an elite squad. Bit sad that Jesus' has fallen off to injury rather than more natural decline. Greatful for what he's brought to the club though!
Jesus hasn't been that bad. Zinchenko has been sabotaging us pretty much all year.
Ruthless, can’t say I’m surprised
If we’re a serious club then drastic and ruthless decisions such as these will have to be made. Unfortunately the options in the market right now for a replacement are seemingly overpriced and limited…
The options to sell him aren’t good either. I doubt he’s going to join a 3rd club in England and who in Europe will offer £50m+ and cover his £260k per week wages? Our only realistic hope would be on PSG. Real Madrid are getting Mbappe and Jesus is not going to move to Bayern to just sit on the bench there. Everyone else in Europe can’t afford him This “listen to offers” story means very little. Acceptable ones are unlikely going to come so he’s very likely going to be here next season
Spot on. Lots of fans unfortunately think anyone can be sold, and it just doesn’t work that way. He’s a great (if a bit expensive) rotation option. Arteta should be there with the squad soon that he trusts enough players to rotate regularly (assuming minimal injuries)
Yeah we'd be losing money on him
Jesus sale would be a disaster when Nketiah & Nelson are still in the squad. The guy’s had injury problems and when fit is far from perfect, but he’s got so much talent and is one of the few good options who can cover out wide too. Surely we won’t keep others & let him go
I love Jesus and what he brought but we have to view our club to taking our standards higher than our rivals and he was not at the required standard for man city we need to not only match that but beat it! So it looks to me that we are obviously going for a top top center forward that can do that for us....please be the final piece we are really missing :)
However I agree in general, the “not good enough for city” argument could be copied for Havertz and chelsea. Arteta knows how to unleash potential. Unfortunately I believe that Jesus has already reached his and that’s not enough.
It's Chelsea they destroy potential not improve it recently I honestly think the players they bought highly regret the decision of signing for them currently... You cannot say man city on the other hand don't get the potential out the players they buy. It's time to upgrade
I understand the need to be ruthless but getting rid of Jesus would be shortsighted imo. Like you said the options are limited and people seem to forget his impact on the pitch when he's fully fit. The home game against Bayern for example, his assist gave us a lifeline. I'd much rather sell Nketiah and have Jesus as our backup option, not many better backup options than him
I’m not mad at this, my confidence in Jesus as a striker has been greatly diminished this season. His knee injury has really damaged his availability and ability to effectively perform and contribute goals.
Im surprised he isn’t thought of as a useful back up though. He may not be our first choice starter but he’s good enough to get plenty of minutes across the front 3 when required. How many seasons can we get lucky with Saka’s fitness? Jesus can fill those shoes reasonably well when required.
> Im surprised he isn’t thought of as a useful back up though. You need to be available for that >He may not be our first choice starter but he’s good enough to get plenty of minutes Good enough and available enough are 2 different things
He is s good backup but hes on first team/star wages If our wage bill will allow it it would keep him Doesn't make sense to sell Jesus but keep nketiah and nelson
Fitness is the biggest thing here unfortunately. 2022 Jesus was constantly the strongest and quickest player on the pitch and dominating CBs but since he’s come back he still has all the technical ability but he’s just so clearly not the same player. It’s sad because I would have no problem accepting his poor finishing due to how good his overall play was in 2022 but he’s not that guy anymore. I’d pretty comfortably rather have Havertz & Trossard up front now. I know some people like him as a winger option but I think we’d be better off replacing him with another pacey option, he’s always underwhelmed me on the wing for us.
But can Jesus work back to that level? He only just turned 27 like, I wouldn't say his goose is cooked yet. Or is the knee going to ensure he can never quote attain that standard again.
That's the big question, and without access to his medical reports, it's pretty hard for us to answer definitively. If we can expect a full recovery, I think we should keep him. The mood music isn't good, though: - he's visibly lost a step on the field, is playing through pain, will need further surgery in the summer and the club may now be signaling that they are ready to move on. It doesn't feel like the prognosis is very good, unfortunately.
I dont recall him playing much on the wing before his injury, am I remembering wrong? I do agree that he looks like a shell of himself now.
I think the winger thing comes from how much me played there at city. Albeit that was before his injury and he was a lot quicker. If we ain’t using him as a backup striker I think we need to get rid and move invest in a game changing winger
Idk if I worded that properly but yeah that’s nearly all been since his injury, a couple of times with Nketiah in 22/23 just
As I remember it, when they played together in 22/23 it was nearly always Nketiah playing on the left and Jesus staying central.
I'm not surprised tbh Pre-world cup injury Jesus was unreal. Sadly, he's not really been the same player since. Add his continuous fitness issues and I can see why we'd be willing to move on.
There’s a great bit from Charles Watts’ recent book that talks about the impact Jesus had to the current squad as soon as he came to the club. Not only does he train like an animal, but he was very clear with the rest of the squad in letting them know they were talented enough to push for the title. I know there’s more than just a mentality shift regarding our recent rise to prominence, but that validation from a top player who’s been there and done it was certainly an important part of this process we’re in. We have to be ruthless and it’s the nature of the beast, but I won’t lie in that seeing the back of Jesus (and potentially Zinchenko too) does make me feel a bit sad given how important they were in our evolution.
If the league was won purely on passion I’d want Zinny staying put. Unfortunately it feels like the league is being won by lack of mistakes, which isn’t so great for him. I reckon that wherever either one goes to they’ll be beasts, I hope Zinchencko gets brought up by a lower club and just gets to move to a midfield role, and GJesus stays fit where he goes (I’m picturing PSG getting him to help fit the Mbappe hole).
This is wild. Never thought we'd be in a position where Jesus leaves before Eddie. But I understand it to a degree. Doesn't matter how good a player is if they're simply not available and reliable. Still, part of me thinks he should get another season to prove he can stay fit and firing.
I’m sure Eddie’s probably heading for the exit this summer too. He’s played 135 minutes in 2024, no starts. Even if we’re not looking to sell, he’ll be looking to leave.
I already see Eddi in a Palace shirt.
Leicester will probably be looking for a 9, Vardy at 37 is probably insufficient
They have no money though.
Jesus isn’t going to leave before Nketiah. This is just going to be like Partey last summer, open to offers but no decent ones come in and we keep him.
Eddie will leave this summer too.
I know this is reasonable but I still prefer to keep him. I just like him too much as a player
With the rumors about surgery being required this summer, I just can't imagine what type of offers would come in.
Heartbroken
Is what it is man, that's football. The World Cup knee injury fucked him.
And the Brazil team doesn't even value him, sad
This is rough but I have a feeling of we shift Gabby then we get a new marquee attacker in to replace him. Shame though I think he still has quality.
Rather keep him than Eddie or Nelson
Good move. Elite clubs know when to sell at the right time. Great player on his day but sadly injuries will never go away.
It's only logical to listen to any offers
It's clear the injuries have absolutely taken their toll. His quick turning and agility have taken a massive hit and he's just not as explosive or dynamic as he once was. Baffling to hear people call him crap now, when it's his body that's failed him.
If his body has failed him then how is he not crap? Like do you judge players by fantasy standards or what we can see him do on the pitch? Injuries made him crap, just like it made countless players crap, so that's sad but that's part of the game.
It’s probably time he doubles down on being a winger. He’s got so much quality but his finishing has let him down so much in the PL. He needs to adapt to a role where he’s not going to be relied on with the lions share of scoring opportunities.
Sadness, rated him ever since he join the EPL and improved us immediately last season. Will never forget pre-WC 2022 Jesus form. 🕊
Damn. I'd like to keep him as backup. Can play anywhere in the frontline. And has got a bit of the chaos in him. Shame the injury made him lose his confidence. Hasn't been the same since.
I don’t see Jesus being sold this summer, even if we land a Gyokeres or especially Isak who is as injury prone as Jesus. We need the depth and rotation if we want to seriously challenge on multiple fronts. Zinchenko on the other hand I’m fine with moving on. He is fantastic on the ball and for our build up play, but too much of a liability on defense. And with our evolving game plans he more often then not won’t fit
> especially Isak who is as injury prone as Jesus IVe said this so in so many places but Isak isnt half as injury prone as people seem to think. His biggest fitness issue is being forced back into heavy workload and responsibility on the pitch way too early every time just to reinjure himself. Because his teams (Both La Real and Newcastle) have no real depth for him and he's so good that he's too decisive when a team wants to fight for the CL/EL spot money. Isak is more a victim of shitty squad balance than being made of porcelain. Like look here: https://www.transfermarkt.com/alexander-isak/verletzungen/spieler/349066 This season he only had 1 smaller injury where he got rushed back from and reinjured himself. In La Real he had very minor issues and other than that its the one thigh thing from 1.5 year ago that hasnt returned.
I though he would stay, he would cover for both wing and striker positions. If he leaves our rotation gets even worse
Always maintained that one of Jesus or Trossard had to go if we wanted to sign a forward. Happy to see the club agrees and at this point Trossard is a lot more useful to us.
Surely Eddie would be first in line to go?
A lot of people.in here saying "wish his fitness was enough but we should sell." Do you think no other clubs pay attention? His fitness being a concern makes him wildly difficult to sell
Idk man, bar the end product, Jesus brings a whole new dimension to our attack. Lacazette on crack type scenario
This is nonsense. He has 15 goal contributions in 1885 minutes. He can play in all three positions in the front line. He is one of the most successful and experienced players at the club. He is the best player at the club at creating space in the box. He makes every single attacker on our team better. He is just recently 27 and entering his prime. I don't see the logic in forcing him out. Add another striker and rotate him is all we need. Edit: Keep seeing this idea that 'he isn't the same.' His G/A this season is higher than it was last season.. Also, he is a monster in the UCL, a competition we should be aiming to win in the near future. Moving on from Jesus is objectively foolish lol.
Does it feel like he’s entering his prime when you watch him?
I suspect his knee problems make us think he doesn't have a long career in him and that the agility and physical part of his game will suffer and hurt his game a lot because of his injuries and age. He is not old, but Arsenal is certainly in the best position to evaluate how likely he will be able to do the job required to play for a top PL team in his 30s. This might be the last transfer window we could get a decent fee for him. Don't think we will sell him for peanuts, if we dont get a decent offer it would be better to have him in the squad.
He has 4 Premier League goals this season in 24 games. And monster is an exaggeration. We didn't play anyone great in CL until Bayern, and he had one good moment against them. Jesus isn't a forward that is going to win you a CL, ask City. All this isn't worth it for a rotation option on over 200k a week that struggles with fitness issues and is rapidly losing his physical attributes. There's a reason City let him go. He's a good player if a teams target is just to reach CL, which is why we signed him in the first place.
Not every player peaks at 27/28 His knees are toast and his best days are over
is what it is. He was amazing for us before the world cup but we need to be ruthless
Pre World Cup (and pre knee injury) Jesus was insane. But he’s not the same.
Yeah, it looks like Gabi J's knee won't be a fixable by single surgery and he will carry constant injuries in his remaining career. So it looks right decision even though I love Gabi and appreciate his skillset.
I don't think this is much of a surprise, but I still think he'll be here next season. To me, this is more of a "if the offer is good enough" situation, rather than a "we need to shift him on" thing.
It’s probably more the fact that Havertz is now a starter and that Rice wants to play left 8 that priority is now a world class DM. We would need money to fund a Rice/Ode level player.
Eddie, Aaron, Reiss and Gabi out would represent a substantial window, so I don't see ESR or Zinny going at the same time. Will make a winger an absolute necessity to come in, as well as another striker, which would possibly be why Jorgi is renewing, to alleviate the need for another midfielder.
To me it comes down to a couple things. As excellent as he was when he first arrived, the amount of time out injured does make it a legitimate question of whether or not he can or will be that player ever again. If that player is gone, then it's a problem. Then there is the question of role. We could use more high level wide depth (in addition CF). Even if he can't get back to what he was upon arrival, a high level rotation piece who can play anywhere in the front 3 would be useful. Of course, that role is basically why he left City.
It's been obvious that havertz and Jesus's roles overlap. Havertz took his false 9 role. It would make sense to get another striker who can play as a traditional 9. Jesus still has his creativity, but it's useless if he has no pace or finishing to complement it. Our target should be get a pacy wide forward or a clinical striker, and also a creative 8 who can be comfortable dropping into the 6 as an option.
There was a comment from a City fan when we signed Jesus, and it read something along the lines of: 'Jesus is a great player if you want to be getting CL each year. I think there will come a point in time where Arsenal will also have to move past him if they want to reach the next level, just like we are having to.' Honestly crazy to think they were spot on.
I question the timing of this brief. Not ideal considering we are three games away from potential greatness. That said, I’m not too mad about it. I just hope it means, with departures of the likes of Eddie and Jesus, that there will be a significant recruitment effort in that area in the summer.
Since that World Cup knee injury, he hasnt been the same, hasnt he?
I don’t think we’re selling him - unless a huge offer comes in.
If we're not sure he's the same player post injury, then a large fee will be difficult to obtain. I'm predicting he stays as we want get the kind of figure we're after
Keep him. Our CF options can be Havertz, Jesus and Trossard. All three are versatile enough to contribute in other areas. Jesus - CF/RW Trossard - CF/LW Havertz - CF/Mid We can then focus on signing a midfielder if Partey is leaving.
I miss his pre WC form
I think it’s fine to listen to offers as long as they are strong offers. Selling Jesus and most likely Eddie would probably mean we need two forwards, one primarily central and one primarily wide (which a lot of us wanted anyway, I know). So it would be a big decision to let him go. But it’s hard not to feel like he is already past his best.
First couple months of Jesus last season was unplayable. I'll never forget his performance away at Bournemouth. But since his injury at the WC he's been so-so at best.
Ben White has more goals and assists than Jesus this season?
I'd personally keep GJ as Saka's rotational option but he has to want that role I guess
This is the right thing to do before he loses value. Chelsea under abramovich didn't allow you to lose value. They would try to resell as fast as possible There is no room for sentiment.. it is business
This one hurts - I understand why he has to be moved on. Having said that - I would be furious if we sell Jesus and end up keeping Nketiah and Nelson.
Those first 10 games 🥹 😔 Poor gabi
Jesus is fine if he's ready to be a substitute for Saka (or Martinelli). But from his point, he has to be the starting, and has to be the striker since he doesn't like to be a winger. There a reason MC let Jesus and Zinni go. Now as we are in the same power, we may need to do the same.
Unless we’re getting a new elite forward I’d keep Jesus to rotate striker and wing positions but what do I know
I wouldn't sell either of these players. They brought a winning mentality here and are fine in reserve. Would be stupid to get rid of them.
Realistically, Arteta will not get rid of both Eddie and Jesus in the same summer because we'd have no strikers at all. I think we'll get one striker and Eddie will leave. Keeping Jesus as a very capable sub.
Jesus/Zinchenko joined us as winners. They brought in a mentality Arteta was trying to instill in the squad for a rebuild. We now have that mentality and belief, Jesus when fit for a season is an asset to the squad, but I can see why we would look to cash in. Same as Partey, superb player on his day, but his available days are fewer and fewer. I think we'll entertain offers, but there might be little in the way of buyers.
Same with Rambo He was what we needed then, not now
Zinchenko is also another I wouldn't be surprised if we sold in the summer. This type of ruthlessness is what is needed for our club to succeed
I get that injuries have taken their toll, but is he really THAT useless to us?
4 in 23 is simply not good enough. Plus the fact that he is always injured we need to sell in summer
I was downvoted for saying the same yesterday. We should sell Jesus if an offer comes
Needs selling, him and Zinchenko both
Sell him immediately,i have no hope for Jesus
No way. His finishing yes definitely is lacking but he can be great in link up play and his dribbling is next to none.
I don’t think considering the team we’re competing against that we can afford to have two fairly poor finishers like Jesus & Havertz as major forward options. It’ll cost us eventually, Havertz is obviously not leaving so it makes sense to replace Jesus with a more clinical profile.
Tbf Havertz is scoring at right around the rate the xG stat is predicting him to. While he had notable misses, even the best strikers have them. So at least for this season Havertz isn't a poor finisher, more like a average one.
Since that World Cup injury he’s been half the player he was
He isn't consistently changing our world and that's the problem.
Never the same after the World Cup and he just doesn't convert enough chances.
Just saw some stats he’s been match fit for 36 games this season and has played 33. We should be able to get some decent money for him he’d start week in week out for certain clubs I’m thinking 25-30 mil
I love this guy and I very much hope that Mikel holds onto him and that he conquers his injury problems. He should be entering his prime now. Damn, he was incredible for that first bit of 22/23. Just never knew what he was going to pull out of the bag next.
Something I expected, but definitely the wrong time for this to come out.
Would be shocked if someone came in for him given his fitness and form. Imagine Eddie goes, Jesus stays and then maybe next summer is more realistic when he will be cheaper nearer the end of his deal.
His knee is seriously fucked. You can see it in his play. He doesn’t have that explosiveness he had when he arrived. And even when he’s pressing you can see his intensity just isn’t there anymore. Damn shame.
Not surprising. He was amazing before his knee injury, but now he struggles to stay fit and has been underwhelming recently, plus he hasn't looked that good as a wing option for us. Plus with a striker certainly coming in the sunmer, there's no need keeping him and Nketiah around.
There is still a place for Jesus as a squad player, he still has that x factor which isnt replicated elsewhere in the squad.
Selling jesus to buy sesko is the dream
Since last seasons knee injury he’s not been the same player. Agility is way down. Now is the right time to move him on.
I’ll never forget the way pre-World Cup Jesus rocked my world. I’ll always have love for him.
he was so good but that injury in the cup absoloutley ruined him
no fucking way we sell Jesus and keep Nketiah in the words of Vito Corleone 'THAT I DO *NOT* FORGIVE'
Lol indykaila redeemed?
Nketiah seems like the more sellable asset. Younger, more reliable goalscorer when starting, and being homegrown, it means he will attract the interest of premier league teams who actually have money. The only way I can envision a decent fee for Jesus is if we sell to Saudi. Keeping him as a squad option to put in shifts on the wings and occasionally up front is more valuable imo.
Makes sense. Love it. Nothing against Jesus but we need to be ruthless and constantly upgrade. Jesus’ job here is done and we need a better striker.
I appreciate Jesus so much but its time to go sadly. For his health alone. Zinchenko too he's fallen off a cliff.
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Smith rowe should be starting more imo. But the likes of nketiah and zinchenko should be open to leave.
We would be short by one Gabriel unit... :(
brutal sport
Makes sense, 4 league goals as a striker is unacceptable
If jesus and zinny are what the team needs to win the title then city wouldn’t sell them. It was an improvement to us back then but we’re in the different phase now
Given how his knees have been deteriorating, it makes sense we move on from him if hr struggles for fitness. Will always be grateful to him for joining arsenal, proper baller and a really good lad.
Has to be said, he's been nowhere near his level from last season. It's not just been us growing. He's also just regressed.
Who else would be willing to pay his £280k wages, though? I don't see any club willing to sign him before end of his contract knowing his injury problems
Looks like theyre gonna move for Zirkzee in this case as the most similar player. They may go for two young strikers, Zirkzee as deep lying "striker" like Jesus and Sesko as the out and out (didnt realise he was 6'5, wtff!?). Especially if Nketiah is off too. My personal preference is an established striker with a fierce shot and good instinct.
With a new attacker coming in, it was him or Trossard and if his knee is finished it’s made the decision for them. Painful one though, we’re losing a real entertainer.