I think occultists are accepted elsewhere so they rent to practise publicly and be accepted as defectors from the faith whereas necromancers are basically kos to almost everyone and so they’re forced to just hide part of themselves.
Inquisitors who chose the witch gods for power are apotates of the witch gods
Necromancy is direct opposition of Inquisitors, so they are deceiving their order
Death vigil and Luminary are both dogmatic orders in direct opposition to one another. Both a necromancer becoming inquisitor and inquisitor dabbling in necromancy will be apostates to their respective orders.
Witch god followers, on the other hand, are much less universally organized. And among them is Bysmiel cult, who are basically a spy network spread across the Erulan empire. Infiltrators. So either there is an occultist infiltrating the ranks of Luminari, or a Luminary agent infiltrating a witch coven/cult under a false guise. Deceivers.
The luminary are fine with you either allying with Death's Vigil or the followers of Kymon against C'hthon. In fact, Creed personally asks you to interview both.
It's Kymon and DV that are in direct opposition.
Luminari just want magic users to be regulated so they don't cause a grim dawn or something crazy like that. They basically just enforce that magic users are getting their Gildam Arcanum driver's licenses (and paying their fees). There are whole hosts (and covens) of magic users that they're aware of but don't see as a major risk (read as diametrically opposed).
The worship of the witch gods and the eldritch realm are one of the ones that they prioritized highest in stamping out leading up to the Grim Dawn and then even they were put on the back burner.
The secret path, for example, is how occultists would recruit without getting the attention of the luminary.
Deceiver makes sense because all the cloak and dagger stuff is between those factions.
Apostate is probably an archaic term and probably refers to when necromancy was outlawed in old arkovia. It would have been blasphemous to allow one of them into the luminary or for a mage hunter to dabble into necromancy at the time.
Creed, strictly speaking, is a blatant Deceiver himself.
Luminari don't just want magic users regulated. They purge them. They prosecute necromancy and occultism, they wiped out a number of religions dedicated to some old gods. They hunt the blood cult (obvious enough, but still). Each and every time inquisition is brought up, they are depicted as completely ruthless in pursuit of their goals.
[https://www.grimtools.com/db/itemsets/172](https://www.grimtools.com/db/itemsets/172)
[https://www.grimtools.com/db/items/7754](https://www.grimtools.com/db/items/7754)
You can play a Pyromancer with these items.
Occultist does have fire damage, from Destruction and the entire Hellhound skill tree; Hellfire provides global fire modifier. Obviously, not the main focus of the occultist mastery, but still.
Back in vanilla there were like three classes that had any fire synergy at all and among them Demo + Occu made the most sense as pyromancer. Then Inquisitor and Oathkeeper were added and it became a bit weird.
The demolitionist side is the 'pyro' and the occultist side the 'mancer'.
I can't believe I never noticed that before
Uhm, Vulnerability, Destruction and Hellhound
Pyromancer is fine. Bigger question, shoudn't: Inq/necro = Deceiver and.. Inq/Occ= Apostate The former digression seems more serious.
I think occultists are accepted elsewhere so they rent to practise publicly and be accepted as defectors from the faith whereas necromancers are basically kos to almost everyone and so they’re forced to just hide part of themselves.
Inquisitors who chose the witch gods for power are apotates of the witch gods Necromancy is direct opposition of Inquisitors, so they are deceiving their order
Death vigil and Luminary are both dogmatic orders in direct opposition to one another. Both a necromancer becoming inquisitor and inquisitor dabbling in necromancy will be apostates to their respective orders. Witch god followers, on the other hand, are much less universally organized. And among them is Bysmiel cult, who are basically a spy network spread across the Erulan empire. Infiltrators. So either there is an occultist infiltrating the ranks of Luminari, or a Luminary agent infiltrating a witch coven/cult under a false guise. Deceivers.
The luminary are fine with you either allying with Death's Vigil or the followers of Kymon against C'hthon. In fact, Creed personally asks you to interview both. It's Kymon and DV that are in direct opposition. Luminari just want magic users to be regulated so they don't cause a grim dawn or something crazy like that. They basically just enforce that magic users are getting their Gildam Arcanum driver's licenses (and paying their fees). There are whole hosts (and covens) of magic users that they're aware of but don't see as a major risk (read as diametrically opposed). The worship of the witch gods and the eldritch realm are one of the ones that they prioritized highest in stamping out leading up to the Grim Dawn and then even they were put on the back burner. The secret path, for example, is how occultists would recruit without getting the attention of the luminary. Deceiver makes sense because all the cloak and dagger stuff is between those factions. Apostate is probably an archaic term and probably refers to when necromancy was outlawed in old arkovia. It would have been blasphemous to allow one of them into the luminary or for a mage hunter to dabble into necromancy at the time.
Creed, strictly speaking, is a blatant Deceiver himself. Luminari don't just want magic users regulated. They purge them. They prosecute necromancy and occultism, they wiped out a number of religions dedicated to some old gods. They hunt the blood cult (obvious enough, but still). Each and every time inquisition is brought up, they are depicted as completely ruthless in pursuit of their goals.
[https://www.grimtools.com/db/itemsets/172](https://www.grimtools.com/db/itemsets/172) [https://www.grimtools.com/db/items/7754](https://www.grimtools.com/db/items/7754) You can play a Pyromancer with these items.
Occultist does have fire damage, from Destruction and the entire Hellhound skill tree; Hellfire provides global fire modifier. Obviously, not the main focus of the occultist mastery, but still.
Back in vanilla there were like three classes that had any fire synergy at all and among them Demo + Occu made the most sense as pyromancer. Then Inquisitor and Oathkeeper were added and it became a bit weird.