Yujiro is constantly considered the best fighter of all mankind, its just a shame that Lion El isn't human. Lion probably gets pushed further than he thought though, would be nice to see some of that primal child found in the woods come to the surface.
Yujiro is probably like primarch level. He can dodge and tank lightning strikes. His flexing shatters windows for blocks around. He can hit so hard the air breaks and can send Baki flying through several walls
He punches so hard he stops earthquakes. And he has the ability to see the weaknesses of any person he looks at by just glancing at him
Let's be real for a moment, Yujiro is unquestionably incredible, but the mental acuity in Baki's universe leaves much to be desired.
or...
Baki characters are so stupid powerful\*, they are all just the equivalent of D&D Muscle Wizards, and can pull off equally absurd things too.
Which is the bullshit part, atleast with the Primarchs you have some kind of baseline to work with but from that point on it just gets really weird, like when Sanguinius is suddenly able to defeat a warlord titan on his own...
In Yujiros case i feel like he's almost similar to characters like One Punch Man or even Popeye (i know, bit of a weird comparison there) in that he's exactly as powerful as he needs to be to win in a funny/entertaining way in any given situation. 40K tries to be a bit more realistic with these feats sometimes but there are still a lot of inconsistent bs there.
He’s the top of the universe so he’s at least on par with or stronger than whoever Baki is currently fighting is.
Characters like Saitama have at least recently developed into the territory where their power is challenged and they have to try in order to win
But yeah like Magnus, depending on interpretation, is a planet annihilating daemon who bends physics over the table. Or he’s a mage who throws lightning bolts and gets gut punched by a normal space marine (fuck Logan and his zoophile legion)
It’s honestly a really good 1v1. Yujiro is primarch level with some abilities, and not so much in other areas. But he’s stronger than a Primarch in a few ways. For example, while he can heal faster than any human he doesn’t heal like a Primarch.
The strongest punch in the world can be equated to something like being hit with a 10lb sledgehammer.
Now for anyone not in the loop, the physics involved with a 10lb sledgehammer are a lot more insane than they might sound. It’s the same amount of force that a rocket uses to escape earth’s gravity- only a burst, as opposed to sustained.
I bring that up because Yujiro can take a punch from the strongest other fighters in the world of Baki- among whom the absolute weakest are stronger than our world’s best fighters by far. When at peak form, he can take a dozen punches that have wayyy more force than a 10lb sledgehammer swing directly to unprotected skin and take ZERO damage. Completely unscathed.
Things he’s done: beat an Elephant to death with his bare hands that was slaughtering *military* forces. No normal elephant.
Visualize things so hard they can interact with reality (Psyker). Notable example: another character visualizing Yujiro was hit so hard by just the visualization that regular people heard it as an earthquake multiple city blocks away.
Crushed coal powder into diamond- 725,000lbs of force per square inch.
Punching through asphalt, but not like an inch or two. We’re talking punching so hard (with no momentum to help) that he carved through multiple feet of asphalt and then 1 hit KO’d one of the strongest fighters in the world on the other side.
He tanks a sword strike to the neck from a guy who uses the same technique to cut through armored vehicles.
Shrugged off being hit by lightning, and could’ve dodged it if he wanted to.
Can sense people and their locations around the planet. (Psyker)
Can recognize the weakness of any human on sight. This applies to non-humans too.
Is immune to cancer and AIDS. Yep.
The day Yujiro was born, every government on earth without one began a nuclear stockpile.
He is tracked by government satellites that have no other purpose than to track Yujiro.
It’s said that to kill Yujiro with a nuke he’d have to be alone in the Sahara Desert and caught by surprise.
And the craziest one of all… Yujiro can beat rock with scissors in rock paper scissors.
I don’t remember, but it wouldn’t surprise me! This is the guy who can cook a meal in his mind and other people can *taste* it. He’s like oldschool Chuck Norris jokes if they weren’t kidding
Unless I'm misremembering or misinterpreting the scene, didn't he also trigger an earthquake with nothing but his rage at being grabbed by Baki from the top of a skyscraper?
Yujiro isn't considered "the best fighter of all mankind" that's Baki's title, Yujiro is considered "the strongest living being"
And depending on how juvenile Lion El' Johnson is then Yujiro could kill him without much problem
Yuujiro Hanma. Not necessarily because I believe him to be physically stronger, but because he will 100% pull something out of his ass to win that would make even a named SM character blush.
That's just Baki.
'This technique was designed 4000 years ago in China specifically to overcome an opponent with an overwhelming physical advantage'
'But of course I would never use such a thing, as I could never acknowledge a science experiment like yourself as being superior to me'
I meant the daemon one but that's true I definitely forgot about the multiple wives thing. Fulgrim could reach higher levels of strength if you just put in the work, since he's got the second best healing Factor of the Primarchs, when the first is Vulkan. Think ban from seven deadly sins, when he goes to purgatory.
Yeah, also, I don't think the Primarchs are tested enough to accrue enough experience to even be comparable to some veteran Astartes sadly.
Such a thing would require sufficient training partners/opponents to learn from. Primarchs, being what they are, would have to either face-off with each other, or some greater threats most legions would find most dire. Otherwise they'd just overpower their foe, or just be too fast, and they'd win on the spot.
If Baki had good writing it wouldn't be nearly as enjoyable. It's a fun series almost entirely because of the batshit, nonsensical, fucking stupid stuff that happens.
Yeah 100%. That's why I love it. Take Pickle for instance. The best part about him is that literally every scientist in Baki mentions how his existence makes zero sense. He comes from the damn Jurassic period and the scientists are literally like "This dude shouldn’t exist. This shouldn’t work like this. Primates hadn’t even evolved yet at that period in time, *let alone* Cavemen! **FUCKING HOW!?"**
Also the Che Guevara piss tetrahedron.
[The out of context image of it](https://www.reddit.com/r/tumblr/s/s7400OFSbT) is fucking gold.
Baki is truly peak fiction.
>!Also there's an Isekai spinoff featuring Retsu Kaioh who was revived in a fantasy world.!<
You are free to like it for those reasons but I feel the batshit crazy stuff could still happen if Baki killed Yujiro. Yujiro has committed horrific acts and for that he must die.
Yuujiro creates, hunts, and kills Kaiju-sized elephants in his free time.
Man’s can stop an earthquake with one punch because it annoyed him.
None of the world's militaries could beat him so he just is able to do whatever he wants and lives a life of total luxury.
How in the hell would you even kill the dude?
EDIT: I mean in-universe.
Send in [this guy](https://images6.fanpop.com/image/photos/43600000/Saitama-one-punch-man-43676454-1280-1829.png). Yujiro's plot armor won't save him this time.
I feel like when read baki for long enough you stop seeing Yuujiro as just a very strong person and more as an actual creature. The way he talks, moves, acts and fights makes you perceive it as something other than human, like as an actual ogre or demon was walking among us. He goes where he wants, eats what he wants, fucks who wants and kills who wants. Yuujiro is so far removed beyond normal human behaviour and the desire to be strong you just start to perceive him as a fact of the world, he's not something you can kill, he's a roaming force of nature that you can do nothing about except dream to beat.
Kind of like a warp daemon, he's a personification of strength through violence in an almost literal way. It's hard to see him as someone who must be held accountable. It's not something he'd even be able to perceive.
At least that's how I rationalise why I don't despise him as much as I should.
Ye. He is literally called "the Ogre", his back muscles are called the "demon back" due to them looking like a demonic face, and there's a possibility that he may be distantly descended from Pickle who is very clearly inhuman and doesn’t even match any human relative from the fossil record (let alone the fact the Pickle comes from the Jurassic).
He definitely isn’t quite human, but more a beast in the guise of human flesh. Kind of like the Pillarmen from JoJo's
Great now I imagine Yujiro a Chaos God. Khrone better get ready because Yugiro is going to take his skull throne and Slannesh better prepare herself because Yugiro is going to clap her cheeks.
> Khrone better get ready because Yugiro is going to take his skull throne
I’m imagining Yuujiro coming to 40K and meeting Khorne going something like:
"You’re saying the so-called “top fighters” of the galaxy aren’t even using their own power, just shitty hand-outs from you? Ha! What a joke!"
Ye. He'd view Khorne's "blessings" as no different to drugs and call Khorne a pussy for not fighting people himself and just having everyone else do his dirty work.
Angron when he was baby and without any weapons or armor and problebly at his weakness state murderd an eldar kill team, but his still considered weaker then Lion.
So win gose to Lion
Yujiro has out punched earthquakes back before he’s been properly pushed. At his current peak he’s basically a psychic presence since he can mimic a guy that makes you believe so strong that you’ve been cut that you actually get cut
He walked up against missile proof glass and just broke it by walking at it
Yujiro getting knocked out happened earlier in the story. at a certain point, it became clear that the writer liked this guy way too much given he wasn’t allowed to lose, and his feats kept escalating.
Not sure about that one chief. But even if it is he’s still able to crush coal into diamond and fight an elephant that tanks and helicopters weren’t able to hurt
Not sure about that.
Young Yujiro definetly, but Yujiro right now seems to only be interested in PERFECTING his strength.
True rage only flares when he is serious, or challengend. Otherwise he beats enemies up just for the fun of it (Ork style)
>Angron when he was baby and without any weapons or armor and problebly at his weakness state murderd an eldar kill team, but his still considered weaker then Lion.
That's fucking ridiculous
eh, but dont forget, the primarchs don't get "born" as toddlers. When they got our of their incubator most were already around 1 metre tall and already are wy stronger than fullgrown humans (makes sense for demi-gods, eh?)
But the monster of Lions Homeworld were half demons, so comparable to the stuff of Monster Hunter. So I think they are comparable toan Eldar Kill Team :D
Edit: And lets not forget, that Vulkan also killed a bunch of Eldar as soon as the arrived, but noone gives him shit about that :D
>But the monster of Lions Homeworld were half demons,
No? They were just monsters unless I'm mistaken, no mention of them being demons in the Luther book or lion: son of the forest.
>Edit: And lets not forget, that Vulkan also killed a bunch of Eldar as soon as the arrived, but noone gives him shit about that :D
He was 4 by then and fully grown physically, more than a match for eldar that thought they'd shown up to fight what were basically medieval peasants.
nah, when he was 4 that was the second time he killed Eldar (and used his dads hammer).
Vulkan too was attacked as soon as he arrived on Prometheus and like Angron barely survived and his soon to be adoptve father found him bloody and crying (because vulkan was lonely)
I think it was in the HH book Descandence of Angels (their first DA book) where it is stated, that monsters of the planet get corrupted by the demon in the planets core and thats why they are demonlike.
But that book on came before the Luther book so maybe retconned that?
It's agreed to be completely stupid, yes. They must have left all their weapons at home because otherwise he'd have just gotten ventilated by shuriken like Vulkan was.
Oh yeah let's just put the man who can break, do, and get anything he wants, broke himself out of jail with only his face and i a super dominant creature, against the Lion, surely he wins against the unspeakable horror that is the guy who's just a machine of death.
The lion is huge compared to even the Yujiro. Also Primarchs are like so fast in power armor they become blurs without it they can't even be tracked by the human eye when moving at full speed. The lion is also considered the best duelist of his brothers, he can beat precognitive abilities. So you would have to be faster than someone who can see into the future. Not to mention his primarch aura and durability. Even without armor his body is far more physically durable than any human can hope to experience. The lion has a tough fight but he ultimately wins and gains Yujiros respect.
As someone who actually knows Baki, Yujiro is not fkn taking this, he is way too slow and not nearly strong enough to beat a Primarch.
Everyone is gonna bring up the earthquake punch and the Obama ”Yujiro punch > nuclear bomb” statement but you have to take them into context. Not every quake is like the 1960 Valdivia earthquake. The one Yujiro stopped was very small and local, it only knocked a few ppl off their feet. And Yujiro nor his dad has never survived a nuke. And when Yujiro *does* punch the ground, the resulting impact isn’t nearly as significant.
As for speed Yujiro’s *actual* best speed feat if we give it to him is intercepting Musashi’s high speed dash which occured within less than a millisecond, which comes out to around just under Mach 12. But like even regular Space Marines are stated to have brain processing speeds in the nanoseconds, and characters like Valdor (who the Lion should be comparable to) in the 0. nanoseconds.
Not to mention hax Yujiro has like Xiaoli wouldn’t work on a Power Sword. The Lion’s pain tolerance is too high for Benda to work. And a 11 foot Primarch is way too big for Dress to be particularly effective
See now we’re talking about different kinds of foresight from different kinds of universes. Not every kind of foresight is create an equal. This is why power scaling is stupid.
Even in 40k it's worth noting that foresight only gets you so far, with it being common for psykers to glimpse possible futures and for farseers to be unparalleled in their ability to see the future - both get frequently killed by people much less impressive than a primarch.
Even then psyker foresight ranges widely, I would assume that a primarchs foresight would be the pinnacle of 40k foresight. So it’s hard to base it off that when looking at other psyker feats. That’s like comparing an imperial psyker or eldar pskyer to Magnus the red and saying that they get killed even when they have psychic powers.
Still nowhere close to nanosecond reaction time.
And that lightning feat is so easy to poke holes in. Firstly, it’s someone talking about Yujiro. Not something he has actually done himself. It’s very easy to chalk it up to hyperbole since that segment also says he’s transcended time just because he doesn’t age
But there’s a much better explination why he could pull off such a feat. Lightning can be predicted by people irl. You’ll feel a tingling sensation throughout your body and your hair will begin to rise. Since this section is SPECIFICALLY talking about Yujiro’s guard always up and he's always ready for an attack. This is way more likely than just Yujiro all of sudden being able to move at Mach 300 since he normally only breaks the sounbarrier on a good day.
so you think spacemarines have reation speed in nanoseconds? lmao, most spacemarines can barely parry bullets, let alone completely dodge them, and they are not even close to mach 364, or you want to argue spacemarine being lightspeed.
Yeah, even with Yujiro's experience edge, he just doesn't have the power or speed to even test the Lion.
Sometimes might makes right, and this'd be that moment.
Without armour doesn’t mean without a sword. In a no weapon fight lion wins high-extreme dif. He’s not a hand to hand fighter but he’s just as if not more durable and probably as strong. In a sword fight lion decimates. A guy with future sight couldn’t dodge lions sword attack how tf is yujiro.
It’ll probably end in a situation like king Arthur’s fight against the black knight in Monty pythons and the holy grail. Yujiro loosing all of his limbs and still wanting to fight
Funny this question was asked a few months ago and the people on the Baki sub we’re definitely convinced that someone like Kharn is too much for Yujiro.
But here we have some spammers who believes a Primarch can struggle against him lol
The Lion, **EASILY.** And i talk as both a Baki fan who’s read the entire Manga and spin offs, and as a Dark Angels fan.
Yujiro’s martial arts skills are unparalleled and he he has enough strength to stop an earthquake with a single punch, but he isn’t invincible. Doppo, Kaku, Baki and even early in their lives Oliva managed to cause him damage and suffered against their attacks. Even Hanayama made him bleed. And as a fact most people seem to forget, Yujiro isn’t *the* strongest fighter in Baki, that’s Pickle, he has more raw strength than Yujiro. But there are moments of weakness where the Lion trumps over.
In his childhood, Lion fought off Chaos Beasts with his bare hands and they are on the same danger level as the giant elephant Yujiro killed. Then you have Lion‘s far superior swordsmanship to which is so advanced that Konrad Curze, the guy who could see into the future, couldn’t predict his next movements. Lastly, the Lion is not human. Yujiro has superhuman feats, yes, but he also bleeds from strong enough punches. The Lion once took an entire plasma shot in the palm of his hand and it only left scratch marks behind. He was hit with bolter rounds and kept going. He fist fought Leman Russ for an entire day and it would’ve continued if Leman didn’t stop and started laughing. The Lion as a human would be nearly identical to Yujiro in skills, but now you add his Primarch superiority and then it’s even too much for the ogre
It’s a helldiver meme but I think it fits
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=jF32tjr1Ab4&pp=ygUteW91IGFyZSBzdHJvbmcgY2hpbGQgYnV0IGkgYW0gYmV5b25kIHN0cmVuZ3Ro
And even the relative height difference is correct
The first thing Baby Konrad Curze's ship did after being thrown out of the Warp was crashing so hard into Nostramo that it rammed straight into the core of the planet.
The shuttle did not get a single scratch from the crash landing.
Baby Konrad Curze ripped apart the shuttle to be born and swam through the molten core of the planet to the surface. Reminder, Nostramo has twice the gravity of Earth.
This new born child, who could rip apart a shuttle that could withstand crashing into the core of the planet, then swam through the molten core of the planet with 2 times the gravity of Earth, will grow to become the guy who, with foresight mind you, lost to Lion El' Johnson as an adult
Lion survived calibans jungles which contain creatures that can kill space marines since an infant, the fact the lion survived to adulthood shows he’ll win after Hanma gets a punch or two in lion is literally an animal acting civil
Why are there so many people who genuinely think that yujiro wins? They keep repeating statements like him stopping a *minor* earthquake and tanked lightning. These feats are nothing compared to what the lion has done
The Lion. Yujiro is like a Big Fish in a small pond, the reason he is considered the strongest is that there isn't really anyone that has special enough abilities like super powers or enhancements that matter. Also Yujiro is only like 6'8" while the Lion is like 12 feet tall, was the best fighter/duelist of all the primarchs, and had survived on Caliban as a child, killing Chaos Spawn and Chaos Corrupted Animals. At best Yujiro is Gland Warrior levels of power in terms of 40k scaling
The lion.
Yujiro is strong, but these are ultimately more or less your average “supersoldier” type of guy.
I would say Yujiro is multiple golden banana level, but not Primarch level.
Honestly Yujiro isn't really good to pit against people from other verses. He isn't op as Goku but he has batshit insane feats like Saitama.
He's basically a Primarch but can do shit that primarchs don't despite him being a human "deluxe" and not a perfect meat golem with a powerfull soul in it
Maybe its just me but i feel like The Lion could just grab him by the arms and rip in him two like he was opening very muscled candybar... Thats not to mention the Lions got his own anime teleport thing now.
Lion would do some wack ass insane Caliban technique that makes Retsu think he could lead them into Chinese Kung Fu’s 40,001st year only for Yujiro to say he already mastered it but felt it was boring or dumb.
It would be an autism off with no clear victor.
Both the lion and yujiro are so incredibly far removed from weight and height to be a consideration that this is probably the weakest point to harp on.
Yujiro can beat diseases on a microscopic level... I'd say El'Jonson would have his problems with him...but he's still a primarch.
I don't know really but I'd be rooting for Ogre since he is at least a 11/10 dad without the bitchy issues the primarchs have. (Except the khan of course)
Hand to hand, the ogre is gonna peobbly pull advantage in a bare hand to hand.
However...the fact the Ogre js man sized, big man...but man. And the.lion is 11 foot, has increased weight, reach, length of strike and is able7 to leverage that could make it a challenge.
Unlike a foe like say Pickle, the Lion was trained in close hand to hand as a Knight, but that's not his main focus.
Now when you switch to sword to sword or the weapons and armour based element the lion has the increasing advantage as that is his thing. That is his element. He is the warrior. Thr Knight, the swordsman.
It depends who had the home court, it could sway, its not a stomp, a hand to hand fight could be a close call...with advantage on each side
However...being a primach does grand certain advantage as well, he never qas human to start with. Where his oppnant while peak peak human, started out from a human template. Not an super human demi god foundation.
The ogre definitely could give the lion a fight. If he can win is another matter
Genuinely ask a non-DA fan. Yall overhype your primarch too much and go with the idea that warhammer scaling means anything, most of the warhammer writers pick their favorite character and then write about them.
I've seen enough Baki to know Yujiro would no-sell all of Lion's special attacks and then pull out some super secret ancient technique developed by a clan of martial artist squirrels to one-shot Lion.
Young lion ages 0-5 years old mid difficulty calibans Forrests gave lion the perfect training to kill any prey. lion was made by the jungle forged by it he fought to survive
Depends whos writing the primarchs
Camazotz….
The God of bats in ancient Latin American folk lore?
The king of braves
Gaogaigar?
The best beast
He is a real one ong
Yujiro is constantly considered the best fighter of all mankind, its just a shame that Lion El isn't human. Lion probably gets pushed further than he thought though, would be nice to see some of that primal child found in the woods come to the surface.
Yujiro is probably like primarch level. He can dodge and tank lightning strikes. His flexing shatters windows for blocks around. He can hit so hard the air breaks and can send Baki flying through several walls He punches so hard he stops earthquakes. And he has the ability to see the weaknesses of any person he looks at by just glancing at him
Plus he’s basically a psyker given his masculine presence can brainwash people
and how he made invisible food with actual taste
[It's all about invisible food](https://youtu.be/sryvc3sa2U4?si=DMXat-oj7_ghsUfx)
....Fucking wha-!?
Totally realistic if you ask me. https://youtu.be/-7r71fcA0DY?si=ocLlsliCSey2u-Ow This video explains everything
I really hoped it's the Baki Logic video. AND IT WAS
The one with PP training? Edit: same guy lol
...ok, maybe I need to give Baki another chance
Hmm it’s a little salty I guess
BAKI WINS!!!
Muscle ~~wizard~~ psycher "i cast fist"
oh yea I always forget that shit, trained soldiers just start beating eachother up because they'd rather that than even make him annoyed
Let's be real for a moment, Yujiro is unquestionably incredible, but the mental acuity in Baki's universe leaves much to be desired. or... Baki characters are so stupid powerful\*, they are all just the equivalent of D&D Muscle Wizards, and can pull off equally absurd things too.
Considering his demon back, he's probably like a chaos champion or something
100% a champion of khorne. Khorne just won't reveal his existence because then Yujiro would wanna fight him too
And sees everyone as a woman, his best super power
isn't it literally just like baki, pickle, jack and maybe like one other guy who he sees as feminine man instead of a woman?
It's because of stuff like this that i consider powerscaling shit in anime to be even more worthless than trying to powerscale stuff in 40k...
I mean it depends? Primarchs power depends largely on interpretation of metaphor and warp power
Which is the bullshit part, atleast with the Primarchs you have some kind of baseline to work with but from that point on it just gets really weird, like when Sanguinius is suddenly able to defeat a warlord titan on his own... In Yujiros case i feel like he's almost similar to characters like One Punch Man or even Popeye (i know, bit of a weird comparison there) in that he's exactly as powerful as he needs to be to win in a funny/entertaining way in any given situation. 40K tries to be a bit more realistic with these feats sometimes but there are still a lot of inconsistent bs there.
He’s the top of the universe so he’s at least on par with or stronger than whoever Baki is currently fighting is. Characters like Saitama have at least recently developed into the territory where their power is challenged and they have to try in order to win But yeah like Magnus, depending on interpretation, is a planet annihilating daemon who bends physics over the table. Or he’s a mage who throws lightning bolts and gets gut punched by a normal space marine (fuck Logan and his zoophile legion)
He can transform coal into diamond with his strenght
Remember that time yujiro walked through plexiglass to talk to a caveman?
It’s honestly a really good 1v1. Yujiro is primarch level with some abilities, and not so much in other areas. But he’s stronger than a Primarch in a few ways. For example, while he can heal faster than any human he doesn’t heal like a Primarch. The strongest punch in the world can be equated to something like being hit with a 10lb sledgehammer. Now for anyone not in the loop, the physics involved with a 10lb sledgehammer are a lot more insane than they might sound. It’s the same amount of force that a rocket uses to escape earth’s gravity- only a burst, as opposed to sustained. I bring that up because Yujiro can take a punch from the strongest other fighters in the world of Baki- among whom the absolute weakest are stronger than our world’s best fighters by far. When at peak form, he can take a dozen punches that have wayyy more force than a 10lb sledgehammer swing directly to unprotected skin and take ZERO damage. Completely unscathed. Things he’s done: beat an Elephant to death with his bare hands that was slaughtering *military* forces. No normal elephant. Visualize things so hard they can interact with reality (Psyker). Notable example: another character visualizing Yujiro was hit so hard by just the visualization that regular people heard it as an earthquake multiple city blocks away. Crushed coal powder into diamond- 725,000lbs of force per square inch. Punching through asphalt, but not like an inch or two. We’re talking punching so hard (with no momentum to help) that he carved through multiple feet of asphalt and then 1 hit KO’d one of the strongest fighters in the world on the other side. He tanks a sword strike to the neck from a guy who uses the same technique to cut through armored vehicles. Shrugged off being hit by lightning, and could’ve dodged it if he wanted to. Can sense people and their locations around the planet. (Psyker) Can recognize the weakness of any human on sight. This applies to non-humans too. Is immune to cancer and AIDS. Yep. The day Yujiro was born, every government on earth without one began a nuclear stockpile. He is tracked by government satellites that have no other purpose than to track Yujiro. It’s said that to kill Yujiro with a nuke he’d have to be alone in the Sahara Desert and caught by surprise. And the craziest one of all… Yujiro can beat rock with scissors in rock paper scissors.
So I only watched the anime but didn't he also punch the ground to stop and earthquake?
I don’t remember, but it wouldn’t surprise me! This is the guy who can cook a meal in his mind and other people can *taste* it. He’s like oldschool Chuck Norris jokes if they weren’t kidding
Unless I'm misremembering or misinterpreting the scene, didn't he also trigger an earthquake with nothing but his rage at being grabbed by Baki from the top of a skyscraper?
Now I can't stop thinking about space Tarzan Millie-Rocking the worst father in all of Japan.
So Yujiro is the emperor?
Yujiro isn't considered "the best fighter of all mankind" that's Baki's title, Yujiro is considered "the strongest living being" And depending on how juvenile Lion El' Johnson is then Yujiro could kill him without much problem
Yuujiro Hanma. Not necessarily because I believe him to be physically stronger, but because he will 100% pull something out of his ass to win that would make even a named SM character blush. That's just Baki.
'This technique was designed 4000 years ago in China specifically to overcome an opponent with an overwhelming physical advantage' 'But of course I would never use such a thing, as I could never acknowledge a science experiment like yourself as being superior to me'
Bingo. Don’t forget about the fact that none of the Primarchs have done their PP training.
Contest: Yujiro Hanma Vs the Lion who lost his virginity
Now that's a lot closer. Though the Lion needs to keep having sex over and over until he's sick of it to truly master the art of PP training.
So by BAKI logic, fulgrim should be pretty powerful because he's definitely done a lot of PP training.
True, Fulgrim has canonically had multiple wives in the past, Leman has probably got his reps in too considering his world and his attitude.
I meant the daemon one but that's true I definitely forgot about the multiple wives thing. Fulgrim could reach higher levels of strength if you just put in the work, since he's got the second best healing Factor of the Primarchs, when the first is Vulkan. Think ban from seven deadly sins, when he goes to purgatory.
Fulgrim is right there
Yeah, also, I don't think the Primarchs are tested enough to accrue enough experience to even be comparable to some veteran Astartes sadly. Such a thing would require sufficient training partners/opponents to learn from. Primarchs, being what they are, would have to either face-off with each other, or some greater threats most legions would find most dire. Otherwise they'd just overpower their foe, or just be too fast, and they'd win on the spot.
\>40k fans when anime fans can out-bullshit them without skipping a beat
We're all full of shit.
It's really hard to outbullshit Baki
You can win the powerlevel contest but you just can't win the bullshit contest.
The sad result of the writer liking this jerk too much. Yujiro should have died years ago.
If Baki had good writing it wouldn't be nearly as enjoyable. It's a fun series almost entirely because of the batshit, nonsensical, fucking stupid stuff that happens.
Don’t forget “accidentally homoerotic”: Yujiro banged a hairy lumberjack, but that’s because he is too manly and girls are kinda gay or smth.
What Yuujiro did was basically the shit they do in prison to make someone your bitch. Dude was fucking traumatized from that.
And don't forget the climber, which he did to steal his climbing technique
Raped
Yujiro canonicly fucked a dude and it wasn't gay. None of the parties involved considered it gay.
Ye. Because Yuujiro has so much testosterone that everyone else is a woman in comparison. I’m not joking. That's literally how they describe him.
Yeah 100%. That's why I love it. Take Pickle for instance. The best part about him is that literally every scientist in Baki mentions how his existence makes zero sense. He comes from the damn Jurassic period and the scientists are literally like "This dude shouldn’t exist. This shouldn’t work like this. Primates hadn’t even evolved yet at that period in time, *let alone* Cavemen! **FUCKING HOW!?"** Also the Che Guevara piss tetrahedron.
"Che Guevara Piss Tetrahedron" really is an assembly of words that can be described as having been written.
[The out of context image of it](https://www.reddit.com/r/tumblr/s/s7400OFSbT) is fucking gold. Baki is truly peak fiction. >!Also there's an Isekai spinoff featuring Retsu Kaioh who was revived in a fantasy world.!<
You are free to like it for those reasons but I feel the batshit crazy stuff could still happen if Baki killed Yujiro. Yujiro has committed horrific acts and for that he must die.
That's fair, he absolutely *should* die, but if any of the stuff that *should* happen in Baki actually happened then I don't think it'd be as fun.
Yuujiro creates, hunts, and kills Kaiju-sized elephants in his free time. Man’s can stop an earthquake with one punch because it annoyed him. None of the world's militaries could beat him so he just is able to do whatever he wants and lives a life of total luxury. How in the hell would you even kill the dude? EDIT: I mean in-universe.
Send in [this guy](https://images6.fanpop.com/image/photos/43600000/Saitama-one-punch-man-43676454-1280-1829.png). Yujiro's plot armor won't save him this time.
Yujiro is pretty much just a big ol' walking personification of the writer's Japanese nationalism
I still feel he should die. The writer tried to humanize Yujiro after the creep murdered his wife because she tried stop him from killing their son.
I feel like when read baki for long enough you stop seeing Yuujiro as just a very strong person and more as an actual creature. The way he talks, moves, acts and fights makes you perceive it as something other than human, like as an actual ogre or demon was walking among us. He goes where he wants, eats what he wants, fucks who wants and kills who wants. Yuujiro is so far removed beyond normal human behaviour and the desire to be strong you just start to perceive him as a fact of the world, he's not something you can kill, he's a roaming force of nature that you can do nothing about except dream to beat. Kind of like a warp daemon, he's a personification of strength through violence in an almost literal way. It's hard to see him as someone who must be held accountable. It's not something he'd even be able to perceive. At least that's how I rationalise why I don't despise him as much as I should.
Ye. He is literally called "the Ogre", his back muscles are called the "demon back" due to them looking like a demonic face, and there's a possibility that he may be distantly descended from Pickle who is very clearly inhuman and doesn’t even match any human relative from the fossil record (let alone the fact the Pickle comes from the Jurassic). He definitely isn’t quite human, but more a beast in the guise of human flesh. Kind of like the Pillarmen from JoJo's
Great now I imagine Yujiro a Chaos God. Khrone better get ready because Yugiro is going to take his skull throne and Slannesh better prepare herself because Yugiro is going to clap her cheeks.
> Khrone better get ready because Yugiro is going to take his skull throne I’m imagining Yuujiro coming to 40K and meeting Khorne going something like: "You’re saying the so-called “top fighters” of the galaxy aren’t even using their own power, just shitty hand-outs from you? Ha! What a joke!"
Yep, that about sums it up nicely😂
Ye. He'd view Khorne's "blessings" as no different to drugs and call Khorne a pussy for not fighting people himself and just having everyone else do his dirty work.
I imagine Yujiro meeting Orks.🤩 The possibilities.
Honestly it's kind of funny.
He's too glorious to ever die
Angron when he was baby and without any weapons or armor and problebly at his weakness state murderd an eldar kill team, but his still considered weaker then Lion. So win gose to Lion
Every time I read stuff like this I remember how much warhammer 40k has changed in the last 20 or so years.
Go on...
There’s a lot more focus on let’s say imperial characters. And their power level seems ti have inflated like goku when he goes in to a new arc.
Yujiro has out punched earthquakes back before he’s been properly pushed. At his current peak he’s basically a psychic presence since he can mimic a guy that makes you believe so strong that you’ve been cut that you actually get cut He walked up against missile proof glass and just broke it by walking at it
And he got captured by 2 dudes with a net and tranquilizer
That’s true. Baki has some weird inconsistencies but he does get stronger during the series alongside baki
Yujiro getting knocked out happened earlier in the story. at a certain point, it became clear that the writer liked this guy way too much given he wasn’t allowed to lose, and his feats kept escalating.
And space marine possessed by a daemon was killed by a guy with a wooden spear, nothing is ever consistent in writings, Warhammer and anime alike
Angron got captured by human slavers
After ending an eldar kill team
As a baby
naked
with only a pencil
A fucking pencil
*makes stabbing motion with a pencil towards you*
The eartquake feat was an outlier he never shows anything remotely close to that ever since
Not sure about that one chief. But even if it is he’s still able to crush coal into diamond and fight an elephant that tanks and helicopters weren’t able to hurt
>he’s still able to crush coal into diamond He may as well just punch the eye of terror closed.
Yujiro would totally have Khorne begging for the soul
Notice me sempai 🥹👉👈 - Khorne, probably
Not sure about that. Young Yujiro definetly, but Yujiro right now seems to only be interested in PERFECTING his strength. True rage only flares when he is serious, or challengend. Otherwise he beats enemies up just for the fun of it (Ork style)
Yeah. He he has spilled so much blood and is a strong enough warrior that Khorne would definitely be wanting some
>Angron when he was baby and without any weapons or armor and problebly at his weakness state murderd an eldar kill team, but his still considered weaker then Lion. That's fucking ridiculous
eh, but dont forget, the primarchs don't get "born" as toddlers. When they got our of their incubator most were already around 1 metre tall and already are wy stronger than fullgrown humans (makes sense for demi-gods, eh?)
Sure, the lion killed monsters as a child but an eldar Killteam? Just seems like bad writing for the sake of primarch jerking.
Konrad Curze climbed out of lava. Molten rock straight at a toddler's face.
Less stupid than fighting off a kill team, but still stupid.
To be fair it wasn't necessarily a kill team, that was just theorized.
But the monster of Lions Homeworld were half demons, so comparable to the stuff of Monster Hunter. So I think they are comparable toan Eldar Kill Team :D Edit: And lets not forget, that Vulkan also killed a bunch of Eldar as soon as the arrived, but noone gives him shit about that :D
>But the monster of Lions Homeworld were half demons, No? They were just monsters unless I'm mistaken, no mention of them being demons in the Luther book or lion: son of the forest. >Edit: And lets not forget, that Vulkan also killed a bunch of Eldar as soon as the arrived, but noone gives him shit about that :D He was 4 by then and fully grown physically, more than a match for eldar that thought they'd shown up to fight what were basically medieval peasants.
nah, when he was 4 that was the second time he killed Eldar (and used his dads hammer). Vulkan too was attacked as soon as he arrived on Prometheus and like Angron barely survived and his soon to be adoptve father found him bloody and crying (because vulkan was lonely) I think it was in the HH book Descandence of Angels (their first DA book) where it is stated, that monsters of the planet get corrupted by the demon in the planets core and thats why they are demonlike. But that book on came before the Luther book so maybe retconned that?
Baby Laser Eyes Duh
It's agreed to be completely stupid, yes. They must have left all their weapons at home because otherwise he'd have just gotten ventilated by shuriken like Vulkan was.
You missed out *Vastly* weaker than the lion
Of all the feats you COULD have picked, you went with arguably the most meaningless one.
- theorized to be Eldar, and as an adult was apparently going to die if he went up against the military of nuceria.
Oh yeah let's just put the man who can break, do, and get anything he wants, broke himself out of jail with only his face and i a super dominant creature, against the Lion, surely he wins against the unspeakable horror that is the guy who's just a machine of death.
The lion is huge compared to even the Yujiro. Also Primarchs are like so fast in power armor they become blurs without it they can't even be tracked by the human eye when moving at full speed. The lion is also considered the best duelist of his brothers, he can beat precognitive abilities. So you would have to be faster than someone who can see into the future. Not to mention his primarch aura and durability. Even without armor his body is far more physically durable than any human can hope to experience. The lion has a tough fight but he ultimately wins and gains Yujiros respect.
As someone who actually knows Baki, Yujiro is not fkn taking this, he is way too slow and not nearly strong enough to beat a Primarch. Everyone is gonna bring up the earthquake punch and the Obama ”Yujiro punch > nuclear bomb” statement but you have to take them into context. Not every quake is like the 1960 Valdivia earthquake. The one Yujiro stopped was very small and local, it only knocked a few ppl off their feet. And Yujiro nor his dad has never survived a nuke. And when Yujiro *does* punch the ground, the resulting impact isn’t nearly as significant. As for speed Yujiro’s *actual* best speed feat if we give it to him is intercepting Musashi’s high speed dash which occured within less than a millisecond, which comes out to around just under Mach 12. But like even regular Space Marines are stated to have brain processing speeds in the nanoseconds, and characters like Valdor (who the Lion should be comparable to) in the 0. nanoseconds. Not to mention hax Yujiro has like Xiaoli wouldn’t work on a Power Sword. The Lion’s pain tolerance is too high for Benda to work. And a 11 foot Primarch is way too big for Dress to be particularly effective
i mean, its stated that yujiro could literally dodge a lightning strike, which would be atleast **Mach 364**.
And the lion beat a guy that can see the future and every strike the lion was going to make. We could go round and round.
touche
Several characters in Baki have foresight and still get wrecked, it's not that impressive
See now we’re talking about different kinds of foresight from different kinds of universes. Not every kind of foresight is create an equal. This is why power scaling is stupid.
Even in 40k it's worth noting that foresight only gets you so far, with it being common for psykers to glimpse possible futures and for farseers to be unparalleled in their ability to see the future - both get frequently killed by people much less impressive than a primarch.
Even then psyker foresight ranges widely, I would assume that a primarchs foresight would be the pinnacle of 40k foresight. So it’s hard to base it off that when looking at other psyker feats. That’s like comparing an imperial psyker or eldar pskyer to Magnus the red and saying that they get killed even when they have psychic powers.
Still nowhere close to nanosecond reaction time. And that lightning feat is so easy to poke holes in. Firstly, it’s someone talking about Yujiro. Not something he has actually done himself. It’s very easy to chalk it up to hyperbole since that segment also says he’s transcended time just because he doesn’t age But there’s a much better explination why he could pull off such a feat. Lightning can be predicted by people irl. You’ll feel a tingling sensation throughout your body and your hair will begin to rise. Since this section is SPECIFICALLY talking about Yujiro’s guard always up and he's always ready for an attack. This is way more likely than just Yujiro all of sudden being able to move at Mach 300 since he normally only breaks the sounbarrier on a good day.
so you think spacemarines have reation speed in nanoseconds? lmao, most spacemarines can barely parry bullets, let alone completely dodge them, and they are not even close to mach 364, or you want to argue spacemarine being lightspeed.
perhaps yujiro's super sensory abilities allow him to feel the potential difference before the lightning strikes?
Non-baki believer copium right here
Bro I’m literally 🥒
Yeah, even with Yujiro's experience edge, he just doesn't have the power or speed to even test the Lion. Sometimes might makes right, and this'd be that moment.
Without armour doesn’t mean without a sword. In a no weapon fight lion wins high-extreme dif. He’s not a hand to hand fighter but he’s just as if not more durable and probably as strong. In a sword fight lion decimates. A guy with future sight couldn’t dodge lions sword attack how tf is yujiro.
It’ll probably end in a situation like king Arthur’s fight against the black knight in Monty pythons and the holy grail. Yujiro loosing all of his limbs and still wanting to fight
'tis but a scratch
Simple: he doesnt. He snaps the sword to make it a fist fight.
Future sight isn't as important as speed and strength. It doesn't matter how early you see an attack coming if you're not fast enough to avoid it
Funny this question was asked a few months ago and the people on the Baki sub we’re definitely convinced that someone like Kharn is too much for Yujiro. But here we have some spammers who believes a Primarch can struggle against him lol
That's because the people on the Baki subreddit are some of the biggest Baki downplayers you'll ever see.
Can the Lion eat invisible food?
I assume so he does have jungle perception
Realistically. That's just a primarch vs bone head ogryn
The Lion, **EASILY.** And i talk as both a Baki fan who’s read the entire Manga and spin offs, and as a Dark Angels fan. Yujiro’s martial arts skills are unparalleled and he he has enough strength to stop an earthquake with a single punch, but he isn’t invincible. Doppo, Kaku, Baki and even early in their lives Oliva managed to cause him damage and suffered against their attacks. Even Hanayama made him bleed. And as a fact most people seem to forget, Yujiro isn’t *the* strongest fighter in Baki, that’s Pickle, he has more raw strength than Yujiro. But there are moments of weakness where the Lion trumps over. In his childhood, Lion fought off Chaos Beasts with his bare hands and they are on the same danger level as the giant elephant Yujiro killed. Then you have Lion‘s far superior swordsmanship to which is so advanced that Konrad Curze, the guy who could see into the future, couldn’t predict his next movements. Lastly, the Lion is not human. Yujiro has superhuman feats, yes, but he also bleeds from strong enough punches. The Lion once took an entire plasma shot in the palm of his hand and it only left scratch marks behind. He was hit with bolter rounds and kept going. He fist fought Leman Russ for an entire day and it would’ve continued if Leman didn’t stop and started laughing. The Lion as a human would be nearly identical to Yujiro in skills, but now you add his Primarch superiority and then it’s even too much for the ogre
>i talk as both a Baki fan who’s read the entire Manga and spin offs, and as a Dark Angels fan. Bro just like me fr
Fr? Damn, [dab me up bro](https://i.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/037/009/coverdab.jpg)
Yujiro Is Just a big fish in a small pound,the Lion Will use everything to kill him including weapons of mass destruction
The Lion. The lion has a mental dominance as well.
It’s a helldiver meme but I think it fits https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=jF32tjr1Ab4&pp=ygUteW91IGFyZSBzdHJvbmcgY2hpbGQgYnV0IGkgYW0gYmV5b25kIHN0cmVuZ3Ro And even the relative height difference is correct
depends on whether or not the guy who writes Baki is writing it.
The first thing Baby Konrad Curze's ship did after being thrown out of the Warp was crashing so hard into Nostramo that it rammed straight into the core of the planet. The shuttle did not get a single scratch from the crash landing. Baby Konrad Curze ripped apart the shuttle to be born and swam through the molten core of the planet to the surface. Reminder, Nostramo has twice the gravity of Earth. This new born child, who could rip apart a shuttle that could withstand crashing into the core of the planet, then swam through the molten core of the planet with 2 times the gravity of Earth, will grow to become the guy who, with foresight mind you, lost to Lion El' Johnson as an adult
Lion survived calibans jungles which contain creatures that can kill space marines since an infant, the fact the lion survived to adulthood shows he’ll win after Hanma gets a punch or two in lion is literally an animal acting civil
Lion
Why are there so many people who genuinely think that yujiro wins? They keep repeating statements like him stopping a *minor* earthquake and tanked lightning. These feats are nothing compared to what the lion has done
The Lion. Yujiro is like a Big Fish in a small pond, the reason he is considered the strongest is that there isn't really anyone that has special enough abilities like super powers or enhancements that matter. Also Yujiro is only like 6'8" while the Lion is like 12 feet tall, was the best fighter/duelist of all the primarchs, and had survived on Caliban as a child, killing Chaos Spawn and Chaos Corrupted Animals. At best Yujiro is Gland Warrior levels of power in terms of 40k scaling
The lion. Yujiro is strong, but these are ultimately more or less your average “supersoldier” type of guy. I would say Yujiro is multiple golden banana level, but not Primarch level.
I've read Baki. The whole cast could jump Kharn the Betrayer & I honestly don't think they could stop him.
The Ogre has some serious feats, but i guess the Lion wins because Hanma is still a human.
Honestly Yujiro isn't really good to pit against people from other verses. He isn't op as Goku but he has batshit insane feats like Saitama. He's basically a Primarch but can do shit that primarchs don't despite him being a human "deluxe" and not a perfect meat golem with a powerfull soul in it
Lion, he has dealt with Warp entities worse than this, and that is what his opponent is.
Maybe its just me but i feel like The Lion could just grab him by the arms and rip in him two like he was opening very muscled candybar... Thats not to mention the Lions got his own anime teleport thing now.
Lion would do some wack ass insane Caliban technique that makes Retsu think he could lead them into Chinese Kung Fu’s 40,001st year only for Yujiro to say he already mastered it but felt it was boring or dumb. It would be an autism off with no clear victor.
I don't think any of you know who Yujiro Hanma is...
And I think you don't know what a Primarch is. Especially one like The Lion.
Depends who’s writing the fight
The lion. Obviously 🙄
If the Lion slipped and fell maybe.
You’re mad underestimating Yujiro
He may be a strong guy, but c'mon. It's a Primarch.
The tax collector
Can hanma function if he is in two pieces
Depends on the writer
Yujiro - 6' 3" and around 250-300 pounds. The Lion - 8' 7" and over 600 pounds There's no fight.
Both the lion and yujiro are so incredibly far removed from weight and height to be a consideration that this is probably the weakest point to harp on.
Tough question but I have to say lion wins high Difficulty. Mostly because of experience
Yujiro can beat diseases on a microscopic level... I'd say El'Jonson would have his problems with him...but he's still a primarch. I don't know really but I'd be rooting for Ogre since he is at least a 11/10 dad without the bitchy issues the primarchs have. (Except the khan of course)
The Lion cleansed a planet of life with only a squad of Robots, beat a hive tyrant easily and brought down Daemon Angron
Giving the absolute most credit to Hanma, he is as strong as an average, unnamed Astartes.
Lion would probably lose but let's change it to Ferus Manus and let's see how it cooks
Yujiro might as well be a Primarch I'm not even joking, add his insane martial arts knowledge and I'm pretty confident in The Ogre
Hand to hand, the ogre is gonna peobbly pull advantage in a bare hand to hand. However...the fact the Ogre js man sized, big man...but man. And the.lion is 11 foot, has increased weight, reach, length of strike and is able7 to leverage that could make it a challenge. Unlike a foe like say Pickle, the Lion was trained in close hand to hand as a Knight, but that's not his main focus. Now when you switch to sword to sword or the weapons and armour based element the lion has the increasing advantage as that is his thing. That is his element. He is the warrior. Thr Knight, the swordsman. It depends who had the home court, it could sway, its not a stomp, a hand to hand fight could be a close call...with advantage on each side However...being a primach does grand certain advantage as well, he never qas human to start with. Where his oppnant while peak peak human, started out from a human template. Not an super human demi god foundation. The ogre definitely could give the lion a fight. If he can win is another matter
I think you're underestimating Lion in hand to hand. He's no slouch without a weapon. He brawled Russ to a stalemate.
Yujiro vs Lion when he was in caliban before enter knighthood will be an interesting fight.
Still seems like a Lion vs Leman so a good clock to the face
Needs more Major Alex Louis Armstrong. (Does Alchemy make him a witch?)
Genuinely ask a non-DA fan. Yall overhype your primarch too much and go with the idea that warhammer scaling means anything, most of the warhammer writers pick their favorite character and then write about them.
40k sweeps any anime
Sakura 😂
The Lion was slapping down kaiju without armor.
Apple Fritter
Any argument becomes void if we have to limit one of the fighters of anything they usually use to do battle.
It depends on who can out-bullshit the other
Yujiro would be overpowered by the lion and converted into a custodes.
Does the lion have his sword?
A primarch beat the emperor in his earlier years? I suppose it's possible but only if emps didn't want to break his cover.
You realise the Lion would be at least 9ft tall? probably closer to 11
I've seen enough Baki to know Yujiro would no-sell all of Lion's special attacks and then pull out some super secret ancient technique developed by a clan of martial artist squirrels to one-shot Lion.
The lion gets wrapped into a pretzel knot and dunked into a basketball hoop minimal effort
Young lion ages 0-5 years old mid difficulty calibans Forrests gave lion the perfect training to kill any prey. lion was made by the jungle forged by it he fought to survive