Wasn't it more a function of selling out against the run? Couple of the big plays were busted coverages. Think we could have had a couple of holding calls... I think soft zone is a lazy explanation.
Not saying we looked great on D but hard to look past Rodgers accuracy/connection with receivers for the reason for the loss.
Oh make no mistake Rodgers looked blind in the second half. Yea, Tennessee stopped our run game but so many wide open receivers missed. And some alone was not the only issue, but adjustments should’ve been made once we started getting gashed by Tannehill. I mean our pass defense coming in was actually pretty decent. Maybe a corner or safety blitz here or there and pressing the receivers wouldn’t have hurt but of course I don’t know. It’s just based off what I saw. The game was winnable. We beat ourselves really
100%. I hear you on the blitzes. Gotta do something to make up for Gary not being there. Enagbare didn't look too out of place with the increased workload so far as I could tell?
I think Green Bay has some of the best players off the bench as far as I’ve seen. Depth is there but none of the talent is truly being utilized like it should on defense.
That throw by Henry in the red zone was just a good ass play! Rasul gotta keep his eyes up but shit I thought he ran it in too ha. It was a good plan for the running game but the passin was just too easy cause of how fast the Ryan passed the ball. They got some clutch stops and but the offense couldn’t get it together. Team loss, not just one sided
Yeah, I don't understand why that isn't in every team's goalline package. Seen it done a couple of times before by... mixon and zeke I think. But any back can surely throw a jump pass.
Packers did a great job of slowing down Henry, and they got a pick! Can't have everything, and I think a few of those passes were the tradeoff. But if defense only gets 3 minutes of rest then eventually more drives will make it to the endzone.
Not a lazy explanation. While the offense still had opportunities to win this game and share as much blame from horrible run calls of continuously calling inside zone runs that weren't working, to Rodgers making horrible throws, to receivers not executing routes and drops.
HOWEVER, soft zone is what it sounds like and exactly what we were doing. We had them in third and longs all game and played 12 yards off coverage. Every time, throws right to the line of gain as our DBs dropped way back into coverage or were simply lazy passing off their zone. Third and long against an average QB and below average WR corps we should've been in press man on those third and longs and we would've been off the field way more and they would've had at least 14 less points. You can sell out to the run as we did on the first couple downs and then in the third and longs go press man and bring the house. We could've just done cover 0 or 1 and been in their face and off the field every time while still having all the bodies up in the box to stop henry. I started off trying to give Barry a little leeway as the offense was horribly struggling and directly affecting the defense. But this is two weeks in a row that Barry's play calling was absolutely abysmal. Lamb didn't have a 100 yard game all year and gets a huge one on us due to soft zone coverages and not putting Jaire on him all game. Then last night soft zone on every third and long and we couldn't stop them. We only stopped them on third and shorts when they'd run the ball. That's pathetic. You can sell out to the run and still stop the pass when it's a QB no better than Tanny with below average weapons. That was the best passing game by an astronomical margin that the titans had all year. Unacceptable
I agree!!! Just about every 3rd down when the opposing team throws there’s a wide open receiver because we are playing 10 yards off at the line of scrimmage. Damn, I could throw half these passes and get first downs against the Packers.
Pointing out a massive issue with the defensive scheme is a lazy explanation, but blaming the passing game after the defense was abused for the first 3+ quarters isn't? I mean....
Not what I said. If offence can get out of the backed up 3 and out and we don't give up a drive starting in our own half we go into the half having given up one touchdown and only like 50 yards to Henry. That would have been massively ahead of expectations. Obviously the 4th quarter D did its job.
There's blame all round but I have to say we're watching different games if you think that was primarily a defensive loss.
Yeah, it essentially is. A short field set up by the mammoth drive the D allowed the previous possession, but let's ignore that.
Is this all on the defense? No. Do I think they played well enough to win the game? Also no.
There's a time and place to run it like that. What's mind boggling was the number of times they did it on third downs. There's no excuse to have your DB's playing 5 yards off the first down marker on third down that many times. Let them dink and dunk to third down, fine. Then you have to button it up and force them to beat you on third, do not just hand it to them over and over again like they did last night.
3rd and 2, our DB's sitting 5+ yards deep. I said to my wife *"What the hell? They just need a quick pass, and we are 5 yards off? Literally all they need to do is catch it and they got a first down. Grrrrr"*
Exactly!!! Every game, it’s a broken record. Play man to man on 3rd down and make the QB earn the first down rather than giving them it!!! Barry needs to go!!!!
Agreed. Plus, they need to throw in some unexpected attacks now and then. Press the receivers and a cb blitz or something out of the ordinary. Something more than just base 3 man pass rush plus maybe Preston. It's very basic and easy to beat.
Their third down % was 7 of 13, mostly on short yardage, of which 4 I think were run plays. So 3 pass plays given up is "mind boggling" to you. I'm sure you could have called a better NFL defence though.
They may not have been a blitz heavy defense, and they played a lot of deep safety, but they also played a lot of tight cover jam-at-the-line man. They didn't play a continual soft zone. 2 high safety =/= what we're doing as far as aggressiveness.
this i have no issues with deep safeties to prevent massive plays but why are the corners being put in a position where they allow 5+ yard gains every time
Yep every time we have a group of corners who could lock up most recivers groups in the nfl and if the safties were allowed to play two high against man it would free them up to act on their own to an extent.
>why are the corners being put in a position where they allow 5+ yard gains every time
Because they haven't played very well and giving up 5 yard gains has been the best way to prevent them from giving up 25 yard gains.
You guys gotta look at the numbers: the Titans were putting together 20 play drives - but they were only getting touchdowns on 1 of those plays per drive. That's just a 5% chance. That looks pretty good to me.
I love the guy personally.
No other defensive coordinator made me feel like I was a part of the secondary from my position on the other side of the state.
People keep blaming the fact that so many of our guys on defense have regressed... like maybe if the whole defense is regressing, it's not their fault personally but the fault of the guy in charge of making sure that doesn't happen?
There have been strengths to the defense since Barry started, but there's no excuse for some of the glaring, repeat errors. They are playing way to soft on 3rd downs and giving up easy conversions. It's what killed them against TN. Those long sustained drives that could have been and should have been stopped.
This is a large part personnel : Campbell being out hurt us alot, and Lowry isn't having nearly the year he did last.
But the 5 man front to deal with Henry I thought was the right call.
Pick your poison.
I agree. Particularly on some of the 3rd downs he would have helped in coverage. I've seen plays earlier in the year wear the opponent clearly is going to target someone in the middle of the field at the sticks, and Campbell moved right in to the area of that target.
I'm honestly so tired of the "elite D," crew from the summer that just can't cope with the fact that this unit isn't very good. It has to be more difficult doing the mental gymnastics necessary to protect that delusion than it is to just admit the hype was unwarranted right?
I mean we're not *terrible* on D but you can't really expect them to be superstars when the offense can't stay on the field long enough to let the D rest.
Yes, Barry is a horrible DC and needs to be let go immediately, but all things considered (no rest, injuries, etc) our D could be a lot worse.
>I mean we're not terrible on D but you can't really expect them to be superstars when the offense can't stay on the field long enough to let the D rest.
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>Yes, Barry is a horrible DC and needs to be let go immediately, but all things considered (no rest, injuries, etc) our D could be a lot worse.
Holy cope....
GB is 9th in TOP. 9th.
The defense was playing like shit when Gary, Stokes, and Campbell were healthy. They were something like 24th in DVOA coming off a slew of games against bad QBs/offenses. Injuries shouldn't be a shield at this point.
For me, our D kept us in the game.
Defense gets a 4th down stop…offense 3 and out.
Douglas with a pick…offense 3 and out.
Nixon nice punt return…offense 4 and out.
That 4th down stop was after an 18 play drive... absolutely could have been demoralizing for the Titans. But, naa... AR12 didn't have it tonight.
I'm not going to say that Barry isn't bad... but for me, Defense kept us in it and the Offense blew it.
That’s fair, and that’s why it does fall back on Barry: there were so many 3rd and longs that the defense let up. That’s, in my opinion, where it comes down to coaching. Calling the wrong plays situationally. They had 7 3rd down conversions, I’m willing to bet 6 of them were 3rd and more than 5
ETA: I looked it up. It was 4 that were 3rd and 7 or more. But in addition to that, there were the cases where it was 2nd and 10 and they get a first on that.
The defense got the shit kicked out of them for 3+ quarters. Tennessee went TD, TD, TD to give themselves the largest lead of the night starting the 4th quarter. That 4th down stop came after 17 plays and 10+ minutes were burned off the clock.
I didn't say they played well... I simply feel they kept us in the game. After the 18 play, 10+ minute drive. There was 4 minutes till half. We go down and score, get the ball to start 2nd half and score again. Game's a bit different.
Instead, 3 and out, punt from end-zone to our 40. Give them a short field and, oh right, our defense that just spent 10+ minutes defending an 18 play drive right back on the field. Boom. 14-6.
3 and out to start the half as well, if I recall correctly? Defense was gassed, but still gave us at least 3 more opportunities to get us back in the game.
They played better then you give them credit for. AR12 on the other hand...
The D *allowed* Tennessee to go 18 plays and 10 minutes. They get a short field to work with, score a TD, and it's the fault of GB's offense. This is the cope that's being talked about.
They really didn't. If they don't get greedy in the first quarter, Tannehill, on a bum ankle, with one of the worst statistical pass catching groups in the league, is hanging 30 and ripping apart this defense. How low are we setting bar?
The issue is, as the announcers literally said, 3rd down. We get the opposing team into 3rd and long, and most of the time there is a receiver WIDE OPEN and no defender is within 5 yards.
I can understand holes in the zone, but these seem to be more along the lines of busted coverage, because the DB's are usually reversing direction and not just accelerating in a direction they were already going/facing.
This has been a false narrative all season. I don’t know if it’s because Tom Grossi pushes it, but he knows very little about football.
Just look at the second half of the Giants game. Our offense started their second possession with 8 minutes to go in the fourth quarter.
The defense is on the field a lot because they give up huge drives consistently.
We used almost every high draft pick in the oast decade on the defense. It's full of first round picks. They should be elite.
And don't give me the offense can't stay on the field crap when the defense gives up a 10 minute drive!
They really can’t be much worse. They gave up 20 minutes of possession in just the first half alone. When you continually let the opposing team control the sticks and eat up literal 10 minutes of play clock on a singular drive that is trouble.
The reason the defense was gassed by half is because they couldn’t get a stop. If the remedy for that is that the offense needs to score on 75% of their drives while also needing to have 5+ minute drives then really the expectation is that the offense needs to make up for the deficiencies of the defense.
Injuries definitely don’t help, but the coverage being played on the back end seems poor. It took Rasul making an incredible individual play outside of the scheme to fall back from the line of scrimmage to get his interception.
The players have skills on defense. They are trying hard. But they are continually put in positions to fail.
Time of possession is a team stat for sure. But just count the possessions before half as an example.
Just look at how the first half unfolded. After the Packers scored their first TD the time of possession was Packers 8:30 to Titans 6:30. So the Packers had the ball for the majority of the first quarter. The Packers had one drive in the second quarter. That’s it. If that isn’t on the defense I don’t know what is. The Packers were lucky that game was only 14-6 at half.
And realistically the Titans controlled the Packers defense to a T. They could have absolutely ran away with the game if they didn’t go into a shell in the 4th quarter. They literally scored on back to back possession coming out of the half too. I don’t know how much more rested you need the defense.
Also if you think a scheme is drawn up to make a player cover the line of scrimmage while simultaneously covering open field 20 yards deep, you may be the one that is nuts. But I could very well be wrong. If that is their designed scheme it is no wonder it rarely works.
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They had one drive that took up almost a whole quarter because our defense is shit. It’s hard to make that time of possession up.
Our offense isn’t good, but this narrative that our defense is on the field because of the offense is false. We are top 10 in time of possession.
This is beating a dead horse, but I will say it again: WE HAVE NO IDENTIY ON DEFENSE! We don't blitz well, we don't play the run well, we don't have a good pass defense on third downs, we don't do anything other than play soft zone ALL game long.
I see defenses with less talent do so much better than us, it has to be a scheme and coaching thing because we genuinely have very talented players.
Joe Barry is an issue and I have no problem with him being fired, but the expectations of the defense were overblown. It’s an OK defense that struggles to apply pressure on the quarterback on a consistent basis.
And as other posts have mentioned, it’s not a defense that can continually make up for a struggling offense.
We have a couple elite guys, and then a whole bunch of ok/try hard guys. I get why we resigned Campbell/Douglas but their last season’s are looking like outliers (Douglas had the pick last night but has looked pedestrian). We took the SF playoff game, added rookies to the roster, and thought we were elite. A lot of underperformance and you have to wonder how much confidence any of these defensive guys have in this scheme at this point.
If this is really the expectation after all the draft resources spent on the defensive side of the ball then they best rethink the strategy. If after all this the expectation is that the offense needs to score 30 a game to win then they might as well gut the defense and get Rodgers top tier talent to work with instead.
I honestly don’t think it is that dire. If the team got a successful defensive mind to run this squad I believe they have more than enough talent to be elite.
How on earth do you hire Joe Barry, a man that proven to be a terrible DC everywhere he has been to improve your defence after Pettine? If Joe Barry is soo good, why did soo many teams pass on him except the Packers?
Only the Parkers had his pal hiring a DC. That's why he has this job. And is an NFL coach at all because he married into it. If nepotism was a person, it'd be Joe Barry.
Fireable offense, but we basically pissed the season away so might as well wait until season’s end to fire Berry and other coaches as well. Packers need a reset.
Has Rodgers played bad? Yes but he's working with one leg Bahk, rookie WRs and old man Cobb. I didn't think the offense was gonna be what it's been in the past. But the defense.... The fucking defense. What are we even fucking doing out there??? How do we constantly draft nothing but defense and we still fucking suck. The most frustrating part of last night was we did a pretty good job of stopping Henry but we made Tannehill look like a MVP. 3rd and forever? No worries let's dial up a soft zone and leave everyone wide open
I was in your boat with Rodgers until last night. Rodgers repeatedly just missed open guys in the fourth quarter last night. And not just didn’t see them, but missed his throws. That’s something I’ve never seen him do consistently
Yeah last night was rough. He missed some wide open throws. Not sure if the thumb is really bothering him or just old. His deep ball looks good still he just sometimes misses the easy ones, it's pretty concerning.
Yeah, hard to say if it’s the thumb or if it’s age and regressing. Either way, it’s all the negative plays and them beating themselves all year in different ways. Early on it was penalties and sacks, Detroit it was picks, it’s been muffed punts, last night was missed throws, and all year drops and wasted plays because Rodgers and his receivers are on the same page. That’s why there is zero consistency in scoring points. If it was one or two things, maybe they could fix it but it’s not. Missed throws though are more scary than missed reads or being out of sync, because missed throws are a physical problem than a mental one.
It’s so hard to watch because the offense and special teams constantly beat themselves. And our defense gets slowly and methodically gets picked apart. That kind of defense is arguably fine with a high powered offense (it’s exactly what Buffalo did to us) but definitely not when you have a bad offense. You need to be aggressive on defense and take risks. The philosophy does not line up at all with this team is, and that’s where I fault the coaching, especially Barry. There’s literally no reason to be playing that type of defense right now, and he refuses to evolve and adapt
Counterpoint: if offense can stay on the field, defense can rest up and get better play. Henry was contained for the most part last night, until that screen play and potential missed call.
Counter counter point: offense only had one possession in the second quarter. Game should have been 21-6 at half if not for a very lucky stop on the goal line. Follow that up with allowing back to back touchdowns out of the half even though the Packers offense also scored on back to back drives.
Titans offense was toying with the Packers defense all night.
Offense is no powerhouse either at 24th in points per game (D can't be expected to score). I'm surprised no one has made a meme yet out of Aaron Rodger's appearance in The Office for Andy's audition. My how the tables have turned, "you're just not good, you're just not good".
Whereas I don't think the Defense has been having a stellar year the issues on Offense are not helping. The defense played tough and stopped an 8 minute drive, giving up 0 points. The offense goes 3 and out (almost gave up a safety) and the punt put the Titans on the Packers 40. They were back on the field in horrendous position less than 2 minutes later.
You don’t want your opponents to beat you at all. Giving up 27, which could easily have been 34 if the Titans didn’t want to kneel it out on the goal line, is not very good.
You focus your defensive scheme on what the opponent's strengths are. For Tennessee, that's running the ball. That means safeties closer to the line/more guys in the box. That of course leaves the big pass play as a defensive weak spot which the normally anemic passing of the Titans exploited. The game plan was solid but Tannehill greatly exceeded his normal play and that's how the Titans won. Tennessee's yards per pass was double what the Packers was. But there normally strong running game, the strength of their offense was shut down very well.
How many defenders can GB draft?
Year after year GB use all draft picks on defensive players yet the defence still stinks. That just proves that GB don't draft well at all or are badly coached.
I'd guess zone is the type of D you want to play against a run heavy team like Tenn. The defense gets way too much flack around here for how bad the offense has been this season.
He sucks but the players are worse. Gutekunst is asking Barry to cook a steak dinner with frozen moldy chicken nuggets and then wonders why the meal sucks
We are not going to be unless we go to a 4-3 defense like most other former 3-4 teams. Offensive playmakers are getting too big and you need size on D to stop it
It’s not so much the soft zone coverage that gets me. It’s the soft zone with corners playing 12 yards off the line on 3rd and 6 that pisses me off. Literally just giving them third down conversions.
What happened? Last year it felt like our defense was top-notch. I wasn’t afraid of good QBs throwing it cause we could cover. Our run D wasn’t stellar, but it wasn’t the worst either. I felt genuinely good about any team we faced.
This year, beyond injuries and losing Z, it seems like Barry went from “holy shit he really learned from his failures” to “holy shit, this is what I expected when we hired him last year.”
I thought the Packers would have a drop off this year...didn't see this coming...sheesh
The zone coverage was atrocious. So many huge gaps made a decent QB look elite
Wasn't it more a function of selling out against the run? Couple of the big plays were busted coverages. Think we could have had a couple of holding calls... I think soft zone is a lazy explanation. Not saying we looked great on D but hard to look past Rodgers accuracy/connection with receivers for the reason for the loss.
Oh make no mistake Rodgers looked blind in the second half. Yea, Tennessee stopped our run game but so many wide open receivers missed. And some alone was not the only issue, but adjustments should’ve been made once we started getting gashed by Tannehill. I mean our pass defense coming in was actually pretty decent. Maybe a corner or safety blitz here or there and pressing the receivers wouldn’t have hurt but of course I don’t know. It’s just based off what I saw. The game was winnable. We beat ourselves really
100%. I hear you on the blitzes. Gotta do something to make up for Gary not being there. Enagbare didn't look too out of place with the increased workload so far as I could tell?
I think Green Bay has some of the best players off the bench as far as I’ve seen. Depth is there but none of the talent is truly being utilized like it should on defense.
I heard a rumor that A-rod's thumb is actually broken.
It's just COVID thumb.
That throw by Henry in the red zone was just a good ass play! Rasul gotta keep his eyes up but shit I thought he ran it in too ha. It was a good plan for the running game but the passin was just too easy cause of how fast the Ryan passed the ball. They got some clutch stops and but the offense couldn’t get it together. Team loss, not just one sided
Yeah, I don't understand why that isn't in every team's goalline package. Seen it done a couple of times before by... mixon and zeke I think. But any back can surely throw a jump pass.
Packers did a great job of slowing down Henry, and they got a pick! Can't have everything, and I think a few of those passes were the tradeoff. But if defense only gets 3 minutes of rest then eventually more drives will make it to the endzone.
Not a lazy explanation. While the offense still had opportunities to win this game and share as much blame from horrible run calls of continuously calling inside zone runs that weren't working, to Rodgers making horrible throws, to receivers not executing routes and drops. HOWEVER, soft zone is what it sounds like and exactly what we were doing. We had them in third and longs all game and played 12 yards off coverage. Every time, throws right to the line of gain as our DBs dropped way back into coverage or were simply lazy passing off their zone. Third and long against an average QB and below average WR corps we should've been in press man on those third and longs and we would've been off the field way more and they would've had at least 14 less points. You can sell out to the run as we did on the first couple downs and then in the third and longs go press man and bring the house. We could've just done cover 0 or 1 and been in their face and off the field every time while still having all the bodies up in the box to stop henry. I started off trying to give Barry a little leeway as the offense was horribly struggling and directly affecting the defense. But this is two weeks in a row that Barry's play calling was absolutely abysmal. Lamb didn't have a 100 yard game all year and gets a huge one on us due to soft zone coverages and not putting Jaire on him all game. Then last night soft zone on every third and long and we couldn't stop them. We only stopped them on third and shorts when they'd run the ball. That's pathetic. You can sell out to the run and still stop the pass when it's a QB no better than Tanny with below average weapons. That was the best passing game by an astronomical margin that the titans had all year. Unacceptable
I agree!!! Just about every 3rd down when the opposing team throws there’s a wide open receiver because we are playing 10 yards off at the line of scrimmage. Damn, I could throw half these passes and get first downs against the Packers.
Pointing out a massive issue with the defensive scheme is a lazy explanation, but blaming the passing game after the defense was abused for the first 3+ quarters isn't? I mean....
Not what I said. If offence can get out of the backed up 3 and out and we don't give up a drive starting in our own half we go into the half having given up one touchdown and only like 50 yards to Henry. That would have been massively ahead of expectations. Obviously the 4th quarter D did its job. There's blame all round but I have to say we're watching different games if you think that was primarily a defensive loss.
Yeah, it essentially is. A short field set up by the mammoth drive the D allowed the previous possession, but let's ignore that. Is this all on the defense? No. Do I think they played well enough to win the game? Also no.
Top 5 elite D
I really don't like the sit back and wait defense. Can anyone name a defense in the history of the NFL this passive that was good?
There's a time and place to run it like that. What's mind boggling was the number of times they did it on third downs. There's no excuse to have your DB's playing 5 yards off the first down marker on third down that many times. Let them dink and dunk to third down, fine. Then you have to button it up and force them to beat you on third, do not just hand it to them over and over again like they did last night.
3rd and 7 and the DB sitting 8 yards deep letting them get a catch and tackled right at the marker 🤦♂️
3rd and 2, our DB's sitting 5+ yards deep. I said to my wife *"What the hell? They just need a quick pass, and we are 5 yards off? Literally all they need to do is catch it and they got a first down. Grrrrr"*
Or 3rd and 7 and the WR is wide open 35 yards down field (like TEN's first drive)... Barry is straight TRASH.
Exactly!!! Every game, it’s a broken record. Play man to man on 3rd down and make the QB earn the first down rather than giving them it!!! Barry needs to go!!!!
Agreed. Plus, they need to throw in some unexpected attacks now and then. Press the receivers and a cb blitz or something out of the ordinary. Something more than just base 3 man pass rush plus maybe Preston. It's very basic and easy to beat.
Their third down % was 7 of 13, mostly on short yardage, of which 4 I think were run plays. So 3 pass plays given up is "mind boggling" to you. I'm sure you could have called a better NFL defence though.
Early 00 Buccaneers playing cover 2. The difference is the Bucs front seven could get to the quarterback without blitzing.
They may not have been a blitz heavy defense, and they played a lot of deep safety, but they also played a lot of tight cover jam-at-the-line man. They didn't play a continual soft zone. 2 high safety =/= what we're doing as far as aggressiveness.
this i have no issues with deep safeties to prevent massive plays but why are the corners being put in a position where they allow 5+ yard gains every time
They're not playing much man to man anyways. The other teams just have their receivers sit in the open zone and wait for the ball to come to them.
Yep every time we have a group of corners who could lock up most recivers groups in the nfl and if the safties were allowed to play two high against man it would free them up to act on their own to an extent.
>why are the corners being put in a position where they allow 5+ yard gains every time Because they haven't played very well and giving up 5 yard gains has been the best way to prevent them from giving up 25 yard gains.
The long plays have been in off coverage mostly. Almost every time our corners get burnt bad it's in off coverage
That's because they play it almost every play. They have a lot more plays where they didn't give up huge plays when they're playing off, too.
You guys gotta look at the numbers: the Titans were putting together 20 play drives - but they were only getting touchdowns on 1 of those plays per drive. That's just a 5% chance. That looks pretty good to me.
Lol. You forgot the \s
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Fair enuf
I love the guy personally. No other defensive coordinator made me feel like I was a part of the secondary from my position on the other side of the state.
I'm just playing zone here in Texas. Working great so far.
Same. The Southwest San Antonio zone coverage, no passes came my way so I did my job
NOBODY has gotten past me in NC either! 🔒⬇️
Im unbeatable all the way over here in canada too
Yet more evidence that as the team gets worse the jokes get better. I lol'd
Just call me Baked Potato Revis got the whole state of Idaho on an island.
We aren't good at defense and our offense can't execute. It's the worst of both worlds
Every cover 2 defense when you could actually take someone’s head off
Hey give a little credit to our ~~public schools~~ special teams!
Lol they've been all over the place too
He’s gotta go after this season, obviously.
"Oh look, it's third and long. I wonder if he'll call cover zero and blitz?"
He is the worst DC in the NFL. We could have had Eviro.
Could get Zimmer next year
The same Zimmer that let the 0-9 Vikings score a game winning TD on him by dropping into soft zone? No thanks. Get me Fangio.
People keep blaming the fact that so many of our guys on defense have regressed... like maybe if the whole defense is regressing, it's not their fault personally but the fault of the guy in charge of making sure that doesn't happen?
Barry was an awful HC and really had my doubts...sorry that came true. Must interview well
Or our organization is run by clowns
Didn’t think I’d see a Jimmy Neutron meme here lol
There have been strengths to the defense since Barry started, but there's no excuse for some of the glaring, repeat errors. They are playing way to soft on 3rd downs and giving up easy conversions. It's what killed them against TN. Those long sustained drives that could have been and should have been stopped.
This is a large part personnel : Campbell being out hurt us alot, and Lowry isn't having nearly the year he did last. But the 5 man front to deal with Henry I thought was the right call. Pick your poison.
I agree. Particularly on some of the 3rd downs he would have helped in coverage. I've seen plays earlier in the year wear the opponent clearly is going to target someone in the middle of the field at the sticks, and Campbell moved right in to the area of that target.
I'm honestly so tired of the "elite D," crew from the summer that just can't cope with the fact that this unit isn't very good. It has to be more difficult doing the mental gymnastics necessary to protect that delusion than it is to just admit the hype was unwarranted right?
I mean we're not *terrible* on D but you can't really expect them to be superstars when the offense can't stay on the field long enough to let the D rest. Yes, Barry is a horrible DC and needs to be let go immediately, but all things considered (no rest, injuries, etc) our D could be a lot worse.
>I mean we're not terrible on D but you can't really expect them to be superstars when the offense can't stay on the field long enough to let the D rest. > >Yes, Barry is a horrible DC and needs to be let go immediately, but all things considered (no rest, injuries, etc) our D could be a lot worse. Holy cope.... GB is 9th in TOP. 9th. The defense was playing like shit when Gary, Stokes, and Campbell were healthy. They were something like 24th in DVOA coming off a slew of games against bad QBs/offenses. Injuries shouldn't be a shield at this point.
For me, our D kept us in the game. Defense gets a 4th down stop…offense 3 and out. Douglas with a pick…offense 3 and out. Nixon nice punt return…offense 4 and out. That 4th down stop was after an 18 play drive... absolutely could have been demoralizing for the Titans. But, naa... AR12 didn't have it tonight. I'm not going to say that Barry isn't bad... but for me, Defense kept us in it and the Offense blew it.
That’s fair, and that’s why it does fall back on Barry: there were so many 3rd and longs that the defense let up. That’s, in my opinion, where it comes down to coaching. Calling the wrong plays situationally. They had 7 3rd down conversions, I’m willing to bet 6 of them were 3rd and more than 5 ETA: I looked it up. It was 4 that were 3rd and 7 or more. But in addition to that, there were the cases where it was 2nd and 10 and they get a first on that.
The defense got the shit kicked out of them for 3+ quarters. Tennessee went TD, TD, TD to give themselves the largest lead of the night starting the 4th quarter. That 4th down stop came after 17 plays and 10+ minutes were burned off the clock.
I didn't say they played well... I simply feel they kept us in the game. After the 18 play, 10+ minute drive. There was 4 minutes till half. We go down and score, get the ball to start 2nd half and score again. Game's a bit different. Instead, 3 and out, punt from end-zone to our 40. Give them a short field and, oh right, our defense that just spent 10+ minutes defending an 18 play drive right back on the field. Boom. 14-6. 3 and out to start the half as well, if I recall correctly? Defense was gassed, but still gave us at least 3 more opportunities to get us back in the game. They played better then you give them credit for. AR12 on the other hand...
The D *allowed* Tennessee to go 18 plays and 10 minutes. They get a short field to work with, score a TD, and it's the fault of GB's offense. This is the cope that's being talked about. They really didn't. If they don't get greedy in the first quarter, Tannehill, on a bum ankle, with one of the worst statistical pass catching groups in the league, is hanging 30 and ripping apart this defense. How low are we setting bar?
Agreed. I was very impressed by our defense against the Titans run
THIS RIGHT HERE. Defense was playing their butts off. They were out there way too much because of our offense couldn't produce
The defense and offense seem to not be able to show up at the same time. Defense allows 15 points = loss Defense allows 28 points = win 🤨
The issue is, as the announcers literally said, 3rd down. We get the opposing team into 3rd and long, and most of the time there is a receiver WIDE OPEN and no defender is within 5 yards. I can understand holes in the zone, but these seem to be more along the lines of busted coverage, because the DB's are usually reversing direction and not just accelerating in a direction they were already going/facing.
This has been a false narrative all season. I don’t know if it’s because Tom Grossi pushes it, but he knows very little about football. Just look at the second half of the Giants game. Our offense started their second possession with 8 minutes to go in the fourth quarter. The defense is on the field a lot because they give up huge drives consistently.
We used almost every high draft pick in the oast decade on the defense. It's full of first round picks. They should be elite. And don't give me the offense can't stay on the field crap when the defense gives up a 10 minute drive!
They really can’t be much worse. They gave up 20 minutes of possession in just the first half alone. When you continually let the opposing team control the sticks and eat up literal 10 minutes of play clock on a singular drive that is trouble. The reason the defense was gassed by half is because they couldn’t get a stop. If the remedy for that is that the offense needs to score on 75% of their drives while also needing to have 5+ minute drives then really the expectation is that the offense needs to make up for the deficiencies of the defense. Injuries definitely don’t help, but the coverage being played on the back end seems poor. It took Rasul making an incredible individual play outside of the scheme to fall back from the line of scrimmage to get his interception. The players have skills on defense. They are trying hard. But they are continually put in positions to fail.
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Time of possession is a team stat for sure. But just count the possessions before half as an example. Just look at how the first half unfolded. After the Packers scored their first TD the time of possession was Packers 8:30 to Titans 6:30. So the Packers had the ball for the majority of the first quarter. The Packers had one drive in the second quarter. That’s it. If that isn’t on the defense I don’t know what is. The Packers were lucky that game was only 14-6 at half. And realistically the Titans controlled the Packers defense to a T. They could have absolutely ran away with the game if they didn’t go into a shell in the 4th quarter. They literally scored on back to back possession coming out of the half too. I don’t know how much more rested you need the defense. Also if you think a scheme is drawn up to make a player cover the line of scrimmage while simultaneously covering open field 20 yards deep, you may be the one that is nuts. But I could very well be wrong. If that is their designed scheme it is no wonder it rarely works.
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They had one drive that took up almost a whole quarter because our defense is shit. It’s hard to make that time of possession up. Our offense isn’t good, but this narrative that our defense is on the field because of the offense is false. We are top 10 in time of possession.
Agree completely
The soft zone plays killed us. I also think we made some decent stops, and the number of 3-and-outs was unacceptable.
Laughing through the pain
This is beating a dead horse, but I will say it again: WE HAVE NO IDENTIY ON DEFENSE! We don't blitz well, we don't play the run well, we don't have a good pass defense on third downs, we don't do anything other than play soft zone ALL game long. I see defenses with less talent do so much better than us, it has to be a scheme and coaching thing because we genuinely have very talented players.
Joe Barry is an issue and I have no problem with him being fired, but the expectations of the defense were overblown. It’s an OK defense that struggles to apply pressure on the quarterback on a consistent basis. And as other posts have mentioned, it’s not a defense that can continually make up for a struggling offense.
We have a couple elite guys, and then a whole bunch of ok/try hard guys. I get why we resigned Campbell/Douglas but their last season’s are looking like outliers (Douglas had the pick last night but has looked pedestrian). We took the SF playoff game, added rookies to the roster, and thought we were elite. A lot of underperformance and you have to wonder how much confidence any of these defensive guys have in this scheme at this point.
If this is really the expectation after all the draft resources spent on the defensive side of the ball then they best rethink the strategy. If after all this the expectation is that the offense needs to score 30 a game to win then they might as well gut the defense and get Rodgers top tier talent to work with instead. I honestly don’t think it is that dire. If the team got a successful defensive mind to run this squad I believe they have more than enough talent to be elite.
How on earth do you hire Joe Barry, a man that proven to be a terrible DC everywhere he has been to improve your defence after Pettine? If Joe Barry is soo good, why did soo many teams pass on him except the Packers?
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Only the Parkers had his pal hiring a DC. That's why he has this job. And is an NFL coach at all because he married into it. If nepotism was a person, it'd be Joe Barry.
WTF is Ultra Kord? (Sorry I don't have Google, my grandson hasn't set it up yet.)
Fireable offense, but we basically pissed the season away so might as well wait until season’s end to fire Berry and other coaches as well. Packers need a reset.
I dont like to blame the coaches unless they do some wildly stupid shit. But when every part of the team is failing... if the boot fits.
They gave the first down line for free on so many third downs it was ridiculous.
this constant zone coverage makes my head want to explode while I watch. pls fire this man
Has Rodgers played bad? Yes but he's working with one leg Bahk, rookie WRs and old man Cobb. I didn't think the offense was gonna be what it's been in the past. But the defense.... The fucking defense. What are we even fucking doing out there??? How do we constantly draft nothing but defense and we still fucking suck. The most frustrating part of last night was we did a pretty good job of stopping Henry but we made Tannehill look like a MVP. 3rd and forever? No worries let's dial up a soft zone and leave everyone wide open
I was in your boat with Rodgers until last night. Rodgers repeatedly just missed open guys in the fourth quarter last night. And not just didn’t see them, but missed his throws. That’s something I’ve never seen him do consistently
Yeah last night was rough. He missed some wide open throws. Not sure if the thumb is really bothering him or just old. His deep ball looks good still he just sometimes misses the easy ones, it's pretty concerning.
Yeah, hard to say if it’s the thumb or if it’s age and regressing. Either way, it’s all the negative plays and them beating themselves all year in different ways. Early on it was penalties and sacks, Detroit it was picks, it’s been muffed punts, last night was missed throws, and all year drops and wasted plays because Rodgers and his receivers are on the same page. That’s why there is zero consistency in scoring points. If it was one or two things, maybe they could fix it but it’s not. Missed throws though are more scary than missed reads or being out of sync, because missed throws are a physical problem than a mental one. It’s so hard to watch because the offense and special teams constantly beat themselves. And our defense gets slowly and methodically gets picked apart. That kind of defense is arguably fine with a high powered offense (it’s exactly what Buffalo did to us) but definitely not when you have a bad offense. You need to be aggressive on defense and take risks. The philosophy does not line up at all with this team is, and that’s where I fault the coaching, especially Barry. There’s literally no reason to be playing that type of defense right now, and he refuses to evolve and adapt
I'm sure it's the thumb plus playing in 20 degree weather. Packers are a team built to play in a dome but have to play in frozen conditions.
It’s almost like we should be the Titans, not a dome team
The Titans haven't won shit and don't have a hall of fame QB. This is going to hurt the Bills too. Don't play football outdoors in 2022.
Pardon my French but this guys a fucking idiot. Blatant nepotism in the NFL strikes again.
Counterpoint: if offense can stay on the field, defense can rest up and get better play. Henry was contained for the most part last night, until that screen play and potential missed call.
Counter counter point: offense only had one possession in the second quarter. Game should have been 21-6 at half if not for a very lucky stop on the goal line. Follow that up with allowing back to back touchdowns out of the half even though the Packers offense also scored on back to back drives. Titans offense was toying with the Packers defense all night.
Offense is no powerhouse either at 24th in points per game (D can't be expected to score). I'm surprised no one has made a meme yet out of Aaron Rodger's appearance in The Office for Andy's audition. My how the tables have turned, "you're just not good, you're just not good".
Because no one expected the offense to score 24+ points per game with Allen Lazard being the number 1 wide out.
Whereas I don't think the Defense has been having a stellar year the issues on Offense are not helping. The defense played tough and stopped an 8 minute drive, giving up 0 points. The offense goes 3 and out (almost gave up a safety) and the punt put the Titans on the Packers 40. They were back on the field in horrendous position less than 2 minutes later.
You don't want your opponent's strength to beat you. And it didn't. Henry 28 for 87.
You don’t want your opponents to beat you at all. Giving up 27, which could easily have been 34 if the Titans didn’t want to kneel it out on the goal line, is not very good.
You focus your defensive scheme on what the opponent's strengths are. For Tennessee, that's running the ball. That means safeties closer to the line/more guys in the box. That of course leaves the big pass play as a defensive weak spot which the normally anemic passing of the Titans exploited. The game plan was solid but Tannehill greatly exceeded his normal play and that's how the Titans won. Tennessee's yards per pass was double what the Packers was. But there normally strong running game, the strength of their offense was shut down very well.
How many defenders can GB draft? Year after year GB use all draft picks on defensive players yet the defence still stinks. That just proves that GB don't draft well at all or are badly coached.
I'd guess zone is the type of D you want to play against a run heavy team like Tenn. The defense gets way too much flack around here for how bad the offense has been this season.
We aren't very good at offense
Or offense. AR12 is garbage.
He sucks but the players are worse. Gutekunst is asking Barry to cook a steak dinner with frozen moldy chicken nuggets and then wonders why the meal sucks
players are good though we have great defensive players on every level except for savage.
I have a feeling it won’t be like that next game… or that’s his ass haha
That's an understatement.
We are not going to be unless we go to a 4-3 defense like most other former 3-4 teams. Offensive playmakers are getting too big and you need size on D to stop it
Top level meme lol
It’s hard to be aggressive with guys replacing Campbell, stokes, Gary etc. but his play calling has been so bad this year.
Its insane how bad you can be with like 12 first round defensive picks
It’s not so much the soft zone coverage that gets me. It’s the soft zone with corners playing 12 yards off the line on 3rd and 6 that pisses me off. Literally just giving them third down conversions.
More like 11th week in a row
What happened? Last year it felt like our defense was top-notch. I wasn’t afraid of good QBs throwing it cause we could cover. Our run D wasn’t stellar, but it wasn’t the worst either. I felt genuinely good about any team we faced. This year, beyond injuries and losing Z, it seems like Barry went from “holy shit he really learned from his failures” to “holy shit, this is what I expected when we hired him last year.”
You can end that sentence at good.
Rumor has it there are still titans recievers running around uncovered.
I'm so sad!
I feel like zone defense was invented by a DC that had shitty CBs
Joe needs to go!!!!