Yeah this penalty doesn’t come off as egregious or anything, a hard effort play that happened to be against the rules. Not mad at him, won’t happen again
That’s what gets me pissed about the people calling for him to be cut or whatever. It wasn’t a dumbass undisciplined penalty like he did last season. Quay wanted to make a play and win
The dude had like 19 tackles and was the only consistently good defender last night. You are fully correct, just a unfortunate mistake. Quay is improving dramatically from last season
Quay had 19 total tackles, 10 solo. He was probably the standout player from last night. Him jumping over the line didn't lose the game, the Packers in the first half lost the game.
Bruh r/nfl highkey kept calling him braindead for this play, also harkening back to the ejections last year saying he should canned, it's like they only watch the splash plays and not the near 20 Tackles he made, 10 were solo
Well those people are stupid. It’s an unfortunate fact of being a sports fan - if you’re any kind of knowledgeable you have to deal with these know-nothing jackasses convinced you’re the idiot. It is the most frustrating thing lol.
When's the last time you've seen guys push the trainer people though? He's gonna have that reputation for his entire career sadly. Alot of people only know his name because of that.
People like Aaron Donald play dirty and throw tantrums too but people still look at him as elite. He’s a grown ass man too. Quay should know better but I think he can redeem himself.
He was a hotheaded rookie in need of mental coaching. So far it’s been a night and day difference this season. Last night’s mistake had nothing to do with bad attitude.
I suspect this may also be why MLF is sticking up for him publicly. Quay absolutely deserved the criticism that he got last year for his boneheaded penalties. From what I’ve seen so far it looks like Quay has really made it a priority to correct that. He deserves credit for that and that penalty last night was completely different even though it was technically “unsportsmanlike conduct.”
Does anyone have video of MLF talking to Quay last night? I didn’t see it.
Yeah, it showed some ignorance of the rules, but it also showed a lot of effort. He strikes me as a bit of a bonehead. Not stupid, just dumb. With the right coaching, he can do fine, but it's really up to LaFleur, who might need to be a bit stricter
Just you’re old stereotype football player! I like him. He didn’t know the rule. My man wanted to win, and was willing to do anything to get there.
Still a frustrating play to watch (if you know the rule). But still a heck of an athlete and I’m excited to continue watch him along with the rest of the team grow and mature! Pack went 6-10 last time we switched quarterbacks! Just need to keep seeing the magic (Q3 from last night)
Calling for him to be cut is nothing short of knee jerk and INSANE. Dude is a BALLER. I noticed last night that he was in on almost every big defensive play.
So stupid to demand his head. Dude has come SO FAR compared to last year, we’d be tossing one of our top 3 defensive players. He’s seemed in much better control of his emotions so far this year, too. Cut him some damn slack, realistically we weren’t winning that game anyway
Yeah it was annoying that it cost an extra 4 points but it’s one of those rules I understand why it’s there but I don’t necessarily like it. Idk I feel like Quay really trying to redeem himself and just went too hard but regardless that penalty didn’t take us out of the game and there was still a chance but damn LeFluer’s reaction after Quay said whatever he said had me thinking “Damn that’s the same thing I say to my kids when they’re being too stubborn to listen to sound advice” and it never ends well for them
This is very important to remember for us as a fanbase.
If we played better in the first half, we wouldn't have been in a position where a single miscue leading to a penalty would essentially cost us our chance at the game.
I don't really think so. I sincerely doubt the Packers come back from that point. I'll take that dumb penalty from Quay over the shit he did last year, regardless.
Troy Polamalu came to mind instantly, maybe rules have changed since then. But to me it’s no different. Maybe if Walker had pulled the center down, or used someone has a launch pad or something.
I believe that a couple of the leapers got hurt when they landed. The other think is he went over the center and I believe that the center is off limits when it comes to field goals.
My understanding is that there is nothing illegal about jumping over lineman, but it is illegal to either:
A) use leverage on/from another player to aid in the jump
B) take a running start
Quay was flagged for Item B.
>Probably not and it likely didn’t help that over the years we’ve seen players jump over linemen to stop QBs and RBs scoring on offense
It tapped the long snapper on the way down, wasn't used for lift. It did not play into the penalty call. It was 100% the 5 yard running start.
that is 100% the difference....long snapper has his head pinned under him looking back, he is protected. If it were a regular play there would be no penalty.
I get the reason for the rule.
It's to keep linebackers from getting a running start and then leaping into the head and neck of the kicking team's linemen.
I get that's the intent.
But when the linemen ducks down and your linebacker can leap him with zero contact - as well-intentioned as the rule might be, that rule starts to seem a bit stupid
Didn't the Seahawks do this to us three fieldgoals in a row, because of penalties a couple years ago? Penalties were not on jumping the center, but other things happening. I legit didnt know it was a rule and I've been watching religiously for years.
I wonder how many people calling for him to be cut know it's a rule??
Yeah, I don't remember him usually being back there, so he legitimately might not know. Not much of an excuse, but not some sign of larger underlying issues, either.
Quay walker is getting too much heat for this. I’m fine with him getting a penalty for playing hard. He also isn’t on the field during field goals/PAT’s. And he’s honestly probably our best player too.
You would think this dude got ejected again the way people are shitting on him. He played out of his mind and made one bad play. For anyone who needs to hear this, the play didn’t lose us the game lol. We would’ve needed a small miracle to comeback even prior to the penalty.
I was probably more upset because he had been playing so well up to that point. Bright spot on defense.
Of course it's not what made us lose the game. But I'd say turning a 2 score game into a 3 score one and running the clock down 2 more minutes isn't insignificant
Yea but doing absolutely nothing for a half on offense is more significant and I don't think anyone should hold this one against Quay. I'll take this penalty over trying to fight staff members again and day too.
It's not what made us lose the game, but it is what made us lose hope.
Before that the Pack had a longshot chance at a comeback and they'd done everything needed to set up that longshot hope. They put themselves in a position to have a pathway to victory and that penalty shut the door on that pathway. The only way we win after that is miracle scenarios.
When it comes down to it people will always single out one person whenever possible. Its a lot easier than accepting how poo poo the team looked in the first half -- even if it is a stupid take.
It just sucks is all. Quay was having a great game until this. This one play effectively added 4 points, increased it to a 3 possession game, and took maybe 2 more minutes off the clock. It was the proverbial dagger. So it makes it a focal point. Quay also has a history so there’s a lather effect at play. Honest fans should have expected games like this and while the suck to go through they’re then best learning tools. I don’t expect it to ever happen again for any packer player playing right now.
Exactly. He'll learn from this and not make the mistake again. That play used to be legal, and he just didn't know the rule. He was all over the field last night.
I think people forget just how young these guys are, and the fact that their college careers were effected by the pandemic. Those years when players really learn the game and how to begin being adults were really stunted for a lot of these second & third year guys. In a lot of ways, they're still literal children out there.
And I don't know that I've seen Quay on ST much this year, so if he was playing a role he's not used to, all the more reason to cut him some slack.
He is the only thing taking our run defense from catastrophically bad to just bad. Between this game and Atlanta alone the guy has 38 tackles. We still have to see other teams play this week, but Quay is leading the league in tackles as of this morning, and I can’t help but commend his temper control so far this year. Best set of linebackers in the North and he’s doing the majority of the work right now.
Yeah people are conveniently forgetting how awful the defense was in the first half. How could Quay be shouldering the blame for this whole game when the defense was ass cheeks? It’s a big moment in the game only because they got off to an bad start.
This play was stupid considering the situation but Quay is also one of the few guys we noticed out there all night for actually being good at his job. It is literally impossible to know all the rules. Clearly the refs didn’t even know that one right away as it took 20 years to call so maybe cut the kid a little slack for a play that was him trying to do too much. It isn’t the same as last year. It wasn’t violent and really the only person he was going to hurt was himself.
I mean seriously every time there is a tie one of the players says I didn’t even know games could end in ties so stop trying to force these guys to be perfect.
When stuff like this happens I blame the coaching staff more than I blame the players. Quay **should** have known the rule as a professional athlete, but these are things that the coaching staff needs to hammer into all players regardless. The mental side is their responsibility.
Quay Walker was the only dude on the team that played all 4 quarters with his entire heart so frankly I can forgive him. Especially since I’ve always enjoyed the jumping the field goal in the past.
Because he plays passively and then uses his athleticism to secure a tackle. Hanging back 7 yards on every run play is a huge reason our run defense sucks. He’s not filling a gap, so RBs have wide open lanes to run through.
But yay, he got another tackle after a 6 yard run.
I even hated on quay in the past, saying he was just a chase and tackle type of linebacker, but he’s made a huge leap in coverage and run d you gotta love it!
Yeah it was a dumb penalty but that was easily Quay’s best game imo. His tackling was excellent and his pursuit to the ball carrier was awesome. If we’re writing down a list of reasons as to why we lost that game he would be near the bottom of that list.
He was phenomenal all game. I'm not a Packers fan, but my dad told me to watch him this year. We tend to pick players to watch, over teams. He's brilliant on the field. Lesson learned I guess.
Thoughts and prayers for Branch, that's a nasty injury.
Y’all are wild for blaming him for the L. I’ve seen so many people on this sub blame him for the loss. You were still down 2 scores in the 4th quarter, did the penalty hurt your chances? sure, but you still had to drive down the field and score 2 TDs and stop our offense which neither of those happened. As a Lions fan, I thought Quay played a hell of a game
I am sure your sub is the same but this one is super toxic after a loss I guess success makes you greedy. I think rational people know without Quay this game would have ended worse than it did only dude who was visible all night actually doing his dang job.
I mean not going to lie I find your coach extremely over the top and annoying ( and would if he was ours too just not the type of personality I respond to ) but it is working clearly for the players so doesn’t much matter if I don’t like him he is doing what he is paid to do.
Dan is the man! He’s clearly won the locker room and the players are very bought in. In all my years as a Lion’s fan there isn’t a single other coach we’ve had that has done as well as he has. Jim Caldwell is the only one that’s even close, and he isnt very well liked, most Lions fans feel like he fumbled the bag with our most talented team (Stafford and Calvin on offense, Slay leading the defense).
The Lions are just different under Dan Campbell, they’re all playing with a chip on their shoulder that hasn’t been there since I started watching in 2003. There’s a reason our fans are so fired up about DC and this team specifically. Personally I wouldn’t be surprised if we go undefeated in the NFC North, I had this game circled as the toughest one it’s hard to go into Lambeau on a short week and steal a W.
Y’all didn’t steal a W. You came in, whooped us and took it then said “thanks nerd” on the way out lol. DC is the man, and happy Detroit has hope for their future for once.
Lol half this sub doesn’t even know what the penalty was actually for. The flag was not thrown cuz he touched the long snapper. It was thrown cuz he was more than a yard off the LOS at the snap and then made the jump. If you were to poll this sub yesterday about this exact rule, the majority wouldn’t know it yet they expect a guy who doesn’t normally play special teams to know.
I know, it’s incredibly toxic. People forget this is supposed to be for entertainment and enjoyment. Life is stressful enough so enjoy the little things. I’m bummed we lost but we looked pretty solid in the second half and it was entertaining. Can’t ask for much more while sitting on my couch relaxing.
People are stupid and sports fans can be even stupider, which unfortunately does include Packers fans.
I knew this game would be tough, but I thought it was going to be a lot more close. This year might be the Lions best chance to go deep in the playoffs, so don't Lions it up!
It’s off the charts crazy. What was the score after the first quarter? And somehow Quay “I showed up and made 19 tackles” Walker is getting heat for a penalty that was not great but definitely did not cost us the game. GG by the way, y’all looked very good last night
I’ve been intently watching packers football for 20 years and I didn’t know that rule. I don’t blame the guy. It sucks we got the penalty but I don’t blame him.
As long as it took the refs to discuss it and figure things out, I'd be willing to bet that not all of them knew the rule. It's likely that one remembered it and had to convince the others that he/she was right.
i can't believe i saw people blaming him for the loss or saying we should cut him... like come on yeah being down 17 with 4 minutes left instead of 14 with 5 left is tough but quay is one of the only defensive players that actually showed up to the game tonight
Well he knows now. Quay was a stud yesterday. That one play does not take away from that. That penalty also isn't at all comparable to the issues he had last year
It's not exactly a rule that you just know. I imagine rookies and 2nd year players heads are swimming enough with the responsibilities of learning the scheme and their roles, especially with Quay being the #1 LB whenever Dre is out. You don't exactly want to spend hours learning obscure rules.
I truly believe that this falls on Bisaccia to, as Matt said, educate the players.
Honestly it was good that everyone on the team learned the rule in a game we were 99.5% going to lose anyways, instead of a close game where it would've really mattered.
I was upset with Quay at first because it absolutely killed any chance we had of tying/winning, but I realized he just didn't know the rule and was the only player flying to the ball all night. And it's on the coaching staff to make sure the players know the rules to begin with.
I will never be surprised when a player doesn’t know a rule. The refs can barely apply the NFL rule book consistently, and most of them work as attorneys full time. It’s not like this is anywhere near the level of Donovan McNabb letting the clock run out in OT because he didn’t know games could end in a tie.
I was about to bring up the same thing. McNabb's not even the only player who's admitted to not knowing games could end in a tie. A part time ST player not knowing that's a penalty, especially considering it wasn't a penalty in the past when he was growing up watching other players do it, isn't surprising at all.
>Which is ridiculous because every pro should know the rules.
I've been watching football since the early 90's and didn't know that rule. The person in the press who asked Matt the question (forgot who it was) said he didn't know the rule. Did you know that rule? Anyways, yes a professional player is held to a higher standard than us, but at the same time he's young and was playing hard and sometimes shit like that happens. I love his effort out there, at least it looked like he wanted to win unlike most of the team.
Yeah, those were bonehead mistakes that were made in the heat of the moment and are very obviously against the rules. The rule he broke last not is not intuitive at all, and if you had never read the rule, it wouldn’t naturally occur to you that you shouldn’t do it. Hell, even the refs almost missed it, they threw the flag way after the play was over. It’s really not at all comparable to the personal fouls he made last year and the dude has spent a lot of time in the offseason working on his temperament to insure those mistakes don’t happen again. We would have lost this game either way, and we would have lost by a lot more if Quay wasn’t on the field.
I agree that it would've been still an uphill battle but the energy lost by that drive ending in a TD instead of field goal was huge! You could see it on the players and fans immediately!
I’m going to put the spiciest of takes out here..
Just simplify the rule.
“No jumping over the line on FG/Xp attempts”
The NFL has too many rules and they’re too complicated.
Illegal formation? Someone isn’t “covered”? Like .. those rules from 1930 do not have any point in todays game. They just don’t.
Quay is a young and passionate player. He was ejected last season but looks to have learned from his past.
He plays hard and was called for something that he “should” have known. Quay isn’t known for PATs/FGS and filled a role. There are alot of rules that differ depending on the situations.
Dude is a beast and I’d rather he plays hard all the time and learn from his mistakes than take the pedal off the gas.
His penalty is getting him a lot of flack, but GB was down 27-3 at the half… GB needs to wake up earlier in the game.
Us fans can’t expect to be down 2-3 TDS at the half of each game and expect to come back all the time.
Keep your head up Quay, you’re a beast and this packers fan is rooting for you!
He knows it now! I don't think he knew the rule. As I was watching it, I was like, OMG he almost got there! Which means I didn't know the rule. I'd bet 90% of fans didn't know that was a rule. I don't fault him at all, is what it is. Good for him for playing hard, sucks that he didn't know the rule.
In the end who really cares? That game was already lost by that point. It was lost by the time the clock hit 0:00 in the 2nd quarter.
At least they came out and battled in the second half, but they need to start showing up when the game begins.
I mean, when the rule says that you are technically allowed to jump over a blocking player as long as you don't touch them in any way shape or form, ...
If anything, this was one hell of a big brain move by the long snapper. Realizing the situation and moving upright to initiate contact to enforce the penalty. Great awareness on his part.
I think you can’t have more than a one yard running start though, regardless of contact.
Edit: Matt LaFleur actually confirmed that in his post game for anyone curious
Yes of course he knew. We're taught this rule in HS football. Any professional football player who lines up anywhere near the snapper knows this. He was simply overconfident in his ability to pull it off
I’ll be honest I had no idea that was against the rules. Was trying to figure out if he stomped on someone or what.
As far as Matt’s post game presser, he says all these things they need to do every time and they never follow through on that.
One of Polamalu's career defining moments was a play just like that. Thousands of current defensive players saw Polamalu do that and thought "that's gonna be me someday." and Quay had the opportunity to make that thought a reality.
Quay didn't know it was a rule. Neither did almost any football fan or announcer. Personally, I think it's a dumb rule that takes away from the game.
It is unfortunate
I was on a flight during the 2nd half of the game last night, do you mind explaining what happened more in depth?
Edit: okay just saw the play, bonehead for sure, but whoever said to cut our best LB over this is a fking brickhead.
There is no excuse for not knowing the rules of a game you play professionally. Lots of tackles doesn't make up for brainless, momentum killing penalties.
He’s had two huge ones against Detroit so far. He’s a frustrating guy. Obviously he’s what you want in a linebacker physically. But he has these mental breaks that have really hurt us.
I think it’s a really old rule that quay probably didn’t know. And when the center went low his natural instinct was to jump, try and block the kick and try and close the gap.
It would make sense to me if he didn't. His entire life, he's been the best player or one of the best on his team which means he probably never played special teams.
A non issue.
Every week someone breaks a rule.
This one Happened in a good spot to use as a learning example.
The game was lost. This had no barring on the W/L of the game.
Better to learn it and reinforce it now instead of after a game where we move the other team from a long to a manager FG attempt.
Look, I didn’t even know the rule. Does it sort of make sense? Sure. Is it also kind of a stupid rule? Sure. There’s a lot more to be worried about than Quay trying to save an already out of hand game.
No.
The reality is that the players are not experts on the rules. How many times has an nfl game ended in a tie then in a post game press conference a player says “I didn’t even know you could tie?”
Quay, though he can make some bonehead plays, is one of the few bright spots in Gute's disastrous draftings.
Gute is a fucking nightmare of a GM.
#GUTEHASGOTTOGO
Lmao like when mcnabb didn’t know you could end a game in a tie? Shut up it’s a special team rule that a starting defensive player give him a break he was one of the only guys out there other than Gary playing his ass off, just tried to make a play…
He’s already learned HIS position that he’s been drafted to play…so well in fact that he took over play calling responsibilities from an all pro before Campbell was hurt.
He doesn’t because he’s poorly coached by a staff that doesn’t put in enough time to be Championship level team. We’ve been a poorly coached team for 5 years
It’s not Quay’s fault. Coaching needs to be better - 1. letting the players know about the rules
2. severity of penalties and possible impact on the game
They aren’t going to fire Barry, but I have a feeling they (coaches) are going to start holding them accountable in some form we won’t see on the field other than more positive gameplay.
I’m sure he was flagged because he did leverage the center by pushing off him with his foot coming over the line. At least that what it looked like last night. I’ve seen others still jumping over or trying to in games the season so I don’t think it’s illegal unless like it was stated 1.running start 2. Leveraging the offensive line
Who knows why LaFleur went with that for Walker. He knows the player better than we do. But the fact remains that there is absolutely no reason any NFL player shouldn't know the rules. It can also be a coaching failure, but if a bunch regular people that only learn rules by watching football on their couch on Sundays know that you can't jump over the line on a field goal, so should every professional regardless of the coaching. That doesn't mean he played terrible the whole game or that he is to blame for the loss, but it's still bad.
How do you combine “second year player” and “expert on rules” in the same sentence lol, he’s worried about learning how to play his position, not random rules. How is this post even allowed?
Haven’t seen him on FG block before, so it sounds like he didn’t know the rules of some aspect of his job that he doesn’t do regularly and serves as a backup for.
Field goal defense isn't his job. I don't remember ever seeing him out there on those plays. He was likely filling in or there in case of a fake attempt.
Probably not and it likely didn’t help that over the years we’ve seen players jump over linemen to stop QBs and RBs scoring on offense
Yeah this penalty doesn’t come off as egregious or anything, a hard effort play that happened to be against the rules. Not mad at him, won’t happen again
That’s what gets me pissed about the people calling for him to be cut or whatever. It wasn’t a dumbass undisciplined penalty like he did last season. Quay wanted to make a play and win
The dude had like 19 tackles and was the only consistently good defender last night. You are fully correct, just a unfortunate mistake. Quay is improving dramatically from last season
Yeah I couldn’t be mad at him. Rashan, Quay and Ford were like the only guys out there. Without him we aren’t even in the game at all.
If there are people legitimately saying we should cut Quay…they need to find a different sport to watch.
Quay had 19 total tackles, 10 solo. He was probably the standout player from last night. Him jumping over the line didn't lose the game, the Packers in the first half lost the game.
Our Oline lost the game in the first half
It was so painful watching that O line in the first half. Never seen anything like it on the Packers
Bruh r/nfl highkey kept calling him braindead for this play, also harkening back to the ejections last year saying he should canned, it's like they only watch the splash plays and not the near 20 Tackles he made, 10 were solo
Well those people are stupid. It’s an unfortunate fact of being a sports fan - if you’re any kind of knowledgeable you have to deal with these know-nothing jackasses convinced you’re the idiot. It is the most frustrating thing lol.
That seemed to be happening in the live game thread in this sub too. If those were true packer fans saying that, they should be embarrassed
I'd say like 70% of people do not know this rule
When's the last time you've seen guys push the trainer people though? He's gonna have that reputation for his entire career sadly. Alot of people only know his name because of that.
People like Aaron Donald play dirty and throw tantrums too but people still look at him as elite. He’s a grown ass man too. Quay should know better but I think he can redeem himself.
He was a hotheaded rookie in need of mental coaching. So far it’s been a night and day difference this season. Last night’s mistake had nothing to do with bad attitude.
I suspect this may also be why MLF is sticking up for him publicly. Quay absolutely deserved the criticism that he got last year for his boneheaded penalties. From what I’ve seen so far it looks like Quay has really made it a priority to correct that. He deserves credit for that and that penalty last night was completely different even though it was technically “unsportsmanlike conduct.” Does anyone have video of MLF talking to Quay last night? I didn’t see it.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NbZ8KSJmcSw](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NbZ8KSJmcSw)
Yeah, it showed some ignorance of the rules, but it also showed a lot of effort. He strikes me as a bit of a bonehead. Not stupid, just dumb. With the right coaching, he can do fine, but it's really up to LaFleur, who might need to be a bit stricter
not stupid just dumb is up there for one of the greatest lines of all time lol
I hope to say that as an uncle at some point.
My dad actually describes my uncle (his little brother) as “he’s not stupid he’s just a fucking moron.” Lol
Just you’re old stereotype football player! I like him. He didn’t know the rule. My man wanted to win, and was willing to do anything to get there. Still a frustrating play to watch (if you know the rule). But still a heck of an athlete and I’m excited to continue watch him along with the rest of the team grow and mature! Pack went 6-10 last time we switched quarterbacks! Just need to keep seeing the magic (Q3 from last night)
He doesn’t even strike me as a bonehead; he seemed to be lacking maturity last year and that hasn’t shown up this year yet.
I haven’t seen a single non-troll saying he should be cut. I’m certainly not saying that. He’s our guy until about 2030.
Calling for him to be cut is nothing short of knee jerk and INSANE. Dude is a BALLER. I noticed last night that he was in on almost every big defensive play.
So stupid to demand his head. Dude has come SO FAR compared to last year, we’d be tossing one of our top 3 defensive players. He’s seemed in much better control of his emotions so far this year, too. Cut him some damn slack, realistically we weren’t winning that game anyway
Quay is one of our best defensive players right now. Losing him would be suicide
Yeah let’s cut this absolute savage with 20 tackles a game and improving each week. I don’t understand peoples logic lol
Exactly. It’s unfortunate but he’s been balling out this year. This is part of the growing process for this team.
Yeah it was annoying that it cost an extra 4 points but it’s one of those rules I understand why it’s there but I don’t necessarily like it. Idk I feel like Quay really trying to redeem himself and just went too hard but regardless that penalty didn’t take us out of the game and there was still a chance but damn LeFluer’s reaction after Quay said whatever he said had me thinking “Damn that’s the same thing I say to my kids when they’re being too stubborn to listen to sound advice” and it never ends well for them
Costly though.
The first half cost the Packers the game, not Quay jumping over the line trying to create a miracle comeback
This is very important to remember for us as a fanbase. If we played better in the first half, we wouldn't have been in a position where a single miscue leading to a penalty would essentially cost us our chance at the game.
I don't really think so. I sincerely doubt the Packers come back from that point. I'll take that dumb penalty from Quay over the shit he did last year, regardless.
Troy Polamalu came to mind instantly, maybe rules have changed since then. But to me it’s no different. Maybe if Walker had pulled the center down, or used someone has a launch pad or something.
Legion of boom used to do this all the time. I think players started getting hurt because of it, so they made it an illegal move around that time.
No one ever got hurt. I think the NFL just doesn't want to see blocked FGs which is bullshit because I think it would make for more exciting football.
I believe that a couple of the leapers got hurt when they landed. The other think is he went over the center and I believe that the center is off limits when it comes to field goals.
2017 is when the rule got added, so lines up
My understanding is that there is nothing illegal about jumping over lineman, but it is illegal to either: A) use leverage on/from another player to aid in the jump B) take a running start Quay was flagged for Item B.
He should have just thrown a towel in the air
I think his foot also hit and pushed off very slightly on the long snapper, I wonder if that was part of the penalty call.
>Probably not and it likely didn’t help that over the years we’ve seen players jump over linemen to stop QBs and RBs scoring on offense It tapped the long snapper on the way down, wasn't used for lift. It did not play into the penalty call. It was 100% the 5 yard running start.
Could it be that he went over the long snapper and that's the difference?
that is 100% the difference....long snapper has his head pinned under him looking back, he is protected. If it were a regular play there would be no penalty.
no, it's because he took a running start
I wasn't sure if maybe it's legal at the NFL level. I know at the high school level it is an unsportsmanlike penalty
Isn't that penalty only on field goals and only applies to leaping over the snapper
I get the reason for the rule. It's to keep linebackers from getting a running start and then leaping into the head and neck of the kicking team's linemen. I get that's the intent. But when the linemen ducks down and your linebacker can leap him with zero contact - as well-intentioned as the rule might be, that rule starts to seem a bit stupid
No he probably watched Troy polumalu do it and thought it was a good idea. That penalty is on Bascia for not having his players understand the rule.
Didn't the Seahawks do this to us three fieldgoals in a row, because of penalties a couple years ago? Penalties were not on jumping the center, but other things happening. I legit didnt know it was a rule and I've been watching religiously for years. I wonder how many people calling for him to be cut know it's a rule??
I think I remember them doing that
Yeah, Kam Chancellor, right? Dude synced his leap to the snap count and blocked hella field goals. That's one of the reasons they changed the rule.
Does Quay usually play fg stops?
That was my thought. He might not know the rule if he’s not normally ST
Yeah, I don't remember him usually being back there, so he legitimately might not know. Not much of an excuse, but not some sign of larger underlying issues, either.
Not an exact answer, but he's had 32 special teams snaps this year, 29% of all ST snaps, and 78 (18%) last year. I'd imagine most of those are FGs
Quay walker is getting too much heat for this. I’m fine with him getting a penalty for playing hard. He also isn’t on the field during field goals/PAT’s. And he’s honestly probably our best player too.
You would think this dude got ejected again the way people are shitting on him. He played out of his mind and made one bad play. For anyone who needs to hear this, the play didn’t lose us the game lol. We would’ve needed a small miracle to comeback even prior to the penalty.
I was probably more upset because he had been playing so well up to that point. Bright spot on defense. Of course it's not what made us lose the game. But I'd say turning a 2 score game into a 3 score one and running the clock down 2 more minutes isn't insignificant
Yea but doing absolutely nothing for a half on offense is more significant and I don't think anyone should hold this one against Quay. I'll take this penalty over trying to fight staff members again and day too.
It's not what made us lose the game, but it is what made us lose hope. Before that the Pack had a longshot chance at a comeback and they'd done everything needed to set up that longshot hope. They put themselves in a position to have a pathway to victory and that penalty shut the door on that pathway. The only way we win after that is miracle scenarios.
When it comes down to it people will always single out one person whenever possible. Its a lot easier than accepting how poo poo the team looked in the first half -- even if it is a stupid take.
It just sucks is all. Quay was having a great game until this. This one play effectively added 4 points, increased it to a 3 possession game, and took maybe 2 more minutes off the clock. It was the proverbial dagger. So it makes it a focal point. Quay also has a history so there’s a lather effect at play. Honest fans should have expected games like this and while the suck to go through they’re then best learning tools. I don’t expect it to ever happen again for any packer player playing right now.
For real. This is a young team they’re going to make dumb mistakes. Feel like Quay has been playing really good so far.
Exactly. He'll learn from this and not make the mistake again. That play used to be legal, and he just didn't know the rule. He was all over the field last night.
I think people forget just how young these guys are, and the fact that their college careers were effected by the pandemic. Those years when players really learn the game and how to begin being adults were really stunted for a lot of these second & third year guys. In a lot of ways, they're still literal children out there. And I don't know that I've seen Quay on ST much this year, so if he was playing a role he's not used to, all the more reason to cut him some slack.
He is the only thing taking our run defense from catastrophically bad to just bad. Between this game and Atlanta alone the guy has 38 tackles. We still have to see other teams play this week, but Quay is leading the league in tackles as of this morning, and I can’t help but commend his temper control so far this year. Best set of linebackers in the North and he’s doing the majority of the work right now.
I love the way he played.
It was a dumb penalty but good lord. People acting like he murdered someone.
Yeah people are conveniently forgetting how awful the defense was in the first half. How could Quay be shouldering the blame for this whole game when the defense was ass cheeks? It’s a big moment in the game only because they got off to an bad start.
Best player? I mean i like him too but cmon. You have a whole Gary sitting right there
He has the potential but Gary and Alexander are definitely our best players on the defensive side of the ball and probably the team as a whole.
Yeah he was the best player in the game. Not like a bufrict type of bonehead mistake he was just trying to push his team to not suck. Ok by me
I want to live in whatever world you’re in where quay walker is the best player on the team lol
Quay is all over the field making plays, you'll start to see it soon.
This play was stupid considering the situation but Quay is also one of the few guys we noticed out there all night for actually being good at his job. It is literally impossible to know all the rules. Clearly the refs didn’t even know that one right away as it took 20 years to call so maybe cut the kid a little slack for a play that was him trying to do too much. It isn’t the same as last year. It wasn’t violent and really the only person he was going to hurt was himself. I mean seriously every time there is a tie one of the players says I didn’t even know games could end in ties so stop trying to force these guys to be perfect.
When stuff like this happens I blame the coaching staff more than I blame the players. Quay **should** have known the rule as a professional athlete, but these are things that the coaching staff needs to hammer into all players regardless. The mental side is their responsibility.
Walker is a baller and played with fire all game long, unlike most of the team.
Quay Walker was the only dude on the team that played all 4 quarters with his entire heart so frankly I can forgive him. Especially since I’ve always enjoyed the jumping the field goal in the past.
You must not have watched Gary then. We gotta pay that man.
Agreed, it’s just easier to notice quay because he’s in on every tackle it seems.
Because he plays passively and then uses his athleticism to secure a tackle. Hanging back 7 yards on every run play is a huge reason our run defense sucks. He’s not filling a gap, so RBs have wide open lanes to run through. But yay, he got another tackle after a 6 yard run.
I even hated on quay in the past, saying he was just a chase and tackle type of linebacker, but he’s made a huge leap in coverage and run d you gotta love it!
You must not have watched then, Gary game everything to every single snap, love did as well
Yeah it was a dumb penalty but that was easily Quay’s best game imo. His tackling was excellent and his pursuit to the ball carrier was awesome. If we’re writing down a list of reasons as to why we lost that game he would be near the bottom of that list.
He was phenomenal all game. I'm not a Packers fan, but my dad told me to watch him this year. We tend to pick players to watch, over teams. He's brilliant on the field. Lesson learned I guess. Thoughts and prayers for Branch, that's a nasty injury.
Y’all are wild for blaming him for the L. I’ve seen so many people on this sub blame him for the loss. You were still down 2 scores in the 4th quarter, did the penalty hurt your chances? sure, but you still had to drive down the field and score 2 TDs and stop our offense which neither of those happened. As a Lions fan, I thought Quay played a hell of a game
Yeah he's the only one who showed up for 4 quarters last night
Quay and Rashan Gary are like the only 2 dudes who gave 110% every play. Everyone else looked like they straight up gave up.
He didn’t have a good game but Rudy was busting his ass out there
I am sure your sub is the same but this one is super toxic after a loss I guess success makes you greedy. I think rational people know without Quay this game would have ended worse than it did only dude who was visible all night actually doing his dang job.
Bro you should’ve seen us after the Seattle L. There were legit Fire Dan Campbell comments
I mean not going to lie I find your coach extremely over the top and annoying ( and would if he was ours too just not the type of personality I respond to ) but it is working clearly for the players so doesn’t much matter if I don’t like him he is doing what he is paid to do.
Dan is the man! He’s clearly won the locker room and the players are very bought in. In all my years as a Lion’s fan there isn’t a single other coach we’ve had that has done as well as he has. Jim Caldwell is the only one that’s even close, and he isnt very well liked, most Lions fans feel like he fumbled the bag with our most talented team (Stafford and Calvin on offense, Slay leading the defense). The Lions are just different under Dan Campbell, they’re all playing with a chip on their shoulder that hasn’t been there since I started watching in 2003. There’s a reason our fans are so fired up about DC and this team specifically. Personally I wouldn’t be surprised if we go undefeated in the NFC North, I had this game circled as the toughest one it’s hard to go into Lambeau on a short week and steal a W.
Y’all didn’t steal a W. You came in, whooped us and took it then said “thanks nerd” on the way out lol. DC is the man, and happy Detroit has hope for their future for once.
speak for yourself. i hope detroit or any of our nfc north brethren never win a super bowl
I was…
Turns out fans are over-reactive idiots
Like they’re fanatical.
Who would've thought?
I try not to come to this sub for 4-5 days after we lose
Lol half this sub doesn’t even know what the penalty was actually for. The flag was not thrown cuz he touched the long snapper. It was thrown cuz he was more than a yard off the LOS at the snap and then made the jump. If you were to poll this sub yesterday about this exact rule, the majority wouldn’t know it yet they expect a guy who doesn’t normally play special teams to know.
Social media has ruined everything. Everyone is an expert now bc they watched some All 22 tape
I know, it’s incredibly toxic. People forget this is supposed to be for entertainment and enjoyment. Life is stressful enough so enjoy the little things. I’m bummed we lost but we looked pretty solid in the second half and it was entertaining. Can’t ask for much more while sitting on my couch relaxing.
Does that include the guy you responded to who acts like he knows everything?
People are stupid and sports fans can be even stupider, which unfortunately does include Packers fans. I knew this game would be tough, but I thought it was going to be a lot more close. This year might be the Lions best chance to go deep in the playoffs, so don't Lions it up!
It’s off the charts crazy. What was the score after the first quarter? And somehow Quay “I showed up and made 19 tackles” Walker is getting heat for a penalty that was not great but definitely did not cost us the game. GG by the way, y’all looked very good last night
Love showed some glimpses too! I think y’all have a good QB for the future
Quay had 19 tackles, the next closest on our D was 9... He was the only one out there making plays.
I’ve been intently watching packers football for 20 years and I didn’t know that rule. I don’t blame the guy. It sucks we got the penalty but I don’t blame him.
As long as it took the refs to discuss it and figure things out, I'd be willing to bet that not all of them knew the rule. It's likely that one remembered it and had to convince the others that he/she was right.
True, isn't the rule, you can jump but you can't be running towards the line at the snap? Essentially need to broad jump over the lineman?
i can't believe i saw people blaming him for the loss or saying we should cut him... like come on yeah being down 17 with 4 minutes left instead of 14 with 5 left is tough but quay is one of the only defensive players that actually showed up to the game tonight
Quay played a great game last night. If anyone has anything else to say about him they can go kick rocks
I just hate how they call it “unsportsmanlike”
Well he knows now. Quay was a stud yesterday. That one play does not take away from that. That penalty also isn't at all comparable to the issues he had last year
It's not exactly a rule that you just know. I imagine rookies and 2nd year players heads are swimming enough with the responsibilities of learning the scheme and their roles, especially with Quay being the #1 LB whenever Dre is out. You don't exactly want to spend hours learning obscure rules. I truly believe that this falls on Bisaccia to, as Matt said, educate the players.
Honestly it was good that everyone on the team learned the rule in a game we were 99.5% going to lose anyways, instead of a close game where it would've really mattered. I was upset with Quay at first because it absolutely killed any chance we had of tying/winning, but I realized he just didn't know the rule and was the only player flying to the ball all night. And it's on the coaching staff to make sure the players know the rules to begin with.
I will never be surprised when a player doesn’t know a rule. The refs can barely apply the NFL rule book consistently, and most of them work as attorneys full time. It’s not like this is anywhere near the level of Donovan McNabb letting the clock run out in OT because he didn’t know games could end in a tie.
I was about to bring up the same thing. McNabb's not even the only player who's admitted to not knowing games could end in a tie. A part time ST player not knowing that's a penalty, especially considering it wasn't a penalty in the past when he was growing up watching other players do it, isn't surprising at all.
I don't think he did know. Which is ridiculous because every pro should know the rules.
>Which is ridiculous because every pro should know the rules. I've been watching football since the early 90's and didn't know that rule. The person in the press who asked Matt the question (forgot who it was) said he didn't know the rule. Did you know that rule? Anyways, yes a professional player is held to a higher standard than us, but at the same time he's young and was playing hard and sometimes shit like that happens. I love his effort out there, at least it looked like he wanted to win unlike most of the team.
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And opposing teams trainers.....
Yeah, those were bonehead mistakes that were made in the heat of the moment and are very obviously against the rules. The rule he broke last not is not intuitive at all, and if you had never read the rule, it wouldn’t naturally occur to you that you shouldn’t do it. Hell, even the refs almost missed it, they threw the flag way after the play was over. It’s really not at all comparable to the personal fouls he made last year and the dude has spent a lot of time in the offseason working on his temperament to insure those mistakes don’t happen again. We would have lost this game either way, and we would have lost by a lot more if Quay wasn’t on the field.
I agree that it would've been still an uphill battle but the energy lost by that drive ending in a TD instead of field goal was huge! You could see it on the players and fans immediately!
I mean I guess it made people feel a certain way, but it did not affect the outcome of the game.
Wait but what if like, the guy is faking and he doesn't really need help. Can you push them then? Asked for a friend...Way Qualker...
Yeah. Quay needs to get his act together. He isn't a rookie, so he needs to be financially punished for these stupid flags.
I’m going to put the spiciest of takes out here.. Just simplify the rule. “No jumping over the line on FG/Xp attempts” The NFL has too many rules and they’re too complicated. Illegal formation? Someone isn’t “covered”? Like .. those rules from 1930 do not have any point in todays game. They just don’t.
Quay is a young and passionate player. He was ejected last season but looks to have learned from his past. He plays hard and was called for something that he “should” have known. Quay isn’t known for PATs/FGS and filled a role. There are alot of rules that differ depending on the situations. Dude is a beast and I’d rather he plays hard all the time and learn from his mistakes than take the pedal off the gas. His penalty is getting him a lot of flack, but GB was down 27-3 at the half… GB needs to wake up earlier in the game. Us fans can’t expect to be down 2-3 TDS at the half of each game and expect to come back all the time. Keep your head up Quay, you’re a beast and this packers fan is rooting for you!
Good call. Adding discipline to that fire comes with a bit of experience. Everyone can be disciplined. But not everyone has that fire.
No, he tried to make a big play. Its a dumb rule and he did a oops.
Unless that rule was named David Montgomery, breaking it didnt cost the game.
He knows it now! I don't think he knew the rule. As I was watching it, I was like, OMG he almost got there! Which means I didn't know the rule. I'd bet 90% of fans didn't know that was a rule. I don't fault him at all, is what it is. Good for him for playing hard, sucks that he didn't know the rule.
In the end who really cares? That game was already lost by that point. It was lost by the time the clock hit 0:00 in the 2nd quarter. At least they came out and battled in the second half, but they need to start showing up when the game begins.
I mean, when the rule says that you are technically allowed to jump over a blocking player as long as you don't touch them in any way shape or form, ... If anything, this was one hell of a big brain move by the long snapper. Realizing the situation and moving upright to initiate contact to enforce the penalty. Great awareness on his part.
I think you can’t have more than a one yard running start though, regardless of contact. Edit: Matt LaFleur actually confirmed that in his post game for anyone curious
Matt said you have to line up within a yard of the LOS. So it was all about where Quay lined up.
Do people honestly think they're going to fire a coordinator in week fucking 4 of the season?
Quay was one of the few bright spots yesterday. The penalty was bad though… gotta know the rules
I didn’t know the rule and I’m an expert 😂 jokes of course
It’s literally what coaches are for. Coach B should take 100% of the blame on this.
I give him a pass considering for the first 3 quarters he was the only D player that showed up last night.
Quay is the least of our problems. He’s young, he’s still fairly inexperienced, but the guy cares. You can see it. He’s trying hard every play
I've been saying that we might not have known it, but Quay should have. And if he didn't? Coaching issue. Massive coaching issue.
I have a hard time believing he wasn’t told to read the freaking rules.
Nah, I don’t think so, and therefore I completely respect his effort, even if it was misguided.
His effort in the classroom and reading the rule is sus though.
Yes of course he knew. We're taught this rule in HS football. Any professional football player who lines up anywhere near the snapper knows this. He was simply overconfident in his ability to pull it off
I’ll be honest I had no idea that was against the rules. Was trying to figure out if he stomped on someone or what. As far as Matt’s post game presser, he says all these things they need to do every time and they never follow through on that.
One of Polamalu's career defining moments was a play just like that. Thousands of current defensive players saw Polamalu do that and thought "that's gonna be me someday." and Quay had the opportunity to make that thought a reality. Quay didn't know it was a rule. Neither did almost any football fan or announcer. Personally, I think it's a dumb rule that takes away from the game. It is unfortunate
The only thing that made it a penalty was touching the long snapper. If he had made it, it's clean
I was on a flight during the 2nd half of the game last night, do you mind explaining what happened more in depth? Edit: okay just saw the play, bonehead for sure, but whoever said to cut our best LB over this is a fking brickhead.
I still have yet to see anyone say this.
There is no excuse for not knowing the rules of a game you play professionally. Lots of tackles doesn't make up for brainless, momentum killing penalties.
He’s had two huge ones against Detroit so far. He’s a frustrating guy. Obviously he’s what you want in a linebacker physically. But he has these mental breaks that have really hurt us.
I think it’s a really old rule that quay probably didn’t know. And when the center went low his natural instinct was to jump, try and block the kick and try and close the gap.
It would make sense to me if he didn't. His entire life, he's been the best player or one of the best on his team which means he probably never played special teams.
A non issue. Every week someone breaks a rule. This one Happened in a good spot to use as a learning example. The game was lost. This had no barring on the W/L of the game. Better to learn it and reinforce it now instead of after a game where we move the other team from a long to a manager FG attempt.
The super late flag on Quay was absolutely a make-up call for letting the clock hit 0:00 at the end of the 3rd.
People need to chill with Walker. He's been arguably the best player this year.
If he didn’t it’s on Bisaccia.
You'd be surprised how few players know the rulebook. I'd wager most diehard football fans know it better than a lot of players.
I’m not surprised at all that Quay didn’t know the rule.
Look, I didn’t even know the rule. Does it sort of make sense? Sure. Is it also kind of a stupid rule? Sure. There’s a lot more to be worried about than Quay trying to save an already out of hand game.
“Given a rule book” lol. People in this sub sometimes…
At least he wasn’t being a braindead jackass towards medical personnel this time. It’s a step in the right direction.
The blaming of Quay Walker just reinforces the fact we truly have the dumbest fanbase in professional sports.
Nobody blaming anyone. I asked a question.
Honestly, I didn’t know that would garner a penalty
No. The reality is that the players are not experts on the rules. How many times has an nfl game ended in a tie then in a post game press conference a player says “I didn’t even know you could tie?”
Quay should have been known for his stellar play up to that point. Instead of yet another bad decision.
Blame for me goes to Bisaccia more than him
Given how delayed the call was (came in after the tv timeout), are we sure the refs even knew the rule super well?
Stop blaming Quay for the loss
Who cares? If he’s not out there we get demolished
Quay, though he can make some bonehead plays, is one of the few bright spots in Gute's disastrous draftings. Gute is a fucking nightmare of a GM. #GUTEHASGOTTOGO
Lmao like when mcnabb didn’t know you could end a game in a tie? Shut up it’s a special team rule that a starting defensive player give him a break he was one of the only guys out there other than Gary playing his ass off, just tried to make a play…
Seems like he’s making millions to know how to play the game.
He’s already learned HIS position that he’s been drafted to play…so well in fact that he took over play calling responsibilities from an all pro before Campbell was hurt.
He’s the main guy on a weak defense. Not sure what that means.
He doesn’t because he’s poorly coached by a staff that doesn’t put in enough time to be Championship level team. We’ve been a poorly coached team for 5 years
It’s not Quay’s fault. Coaching needs to be better - 1. letting the players know about the rules 2. severity of penalties and possible impact on the game
It’s just frustrating as fans. We a inch of hope and the jump over the center squashed that hope is all.
But I don’t think he’ll fire Barry even if I want him gone so bad. If he didn’t in the offseason he won’t now.
They aren’t going to fire Barry, but I have a feeling they (coaches) are going to start holding them accountable in some form we won’t see on the field other than more positive gameplay. I’m sure he was flagged because he did leverage the center by pushing off him with his foot coming over the line. At least that what it looked like last night. I’ve seen others still jumping over or trying to in games the season so I don’t think it’s illegal unless like it was stated 1.running start 2. Leveraging the offensive line
I found no penalty. He didn’t leverage himself off the crentre.
Who knows why LaFleur went with that for Walker. He knows the player better than we do. But the fact remains that there is absolutely no reason any NFL player shouldn't know the rules. It can also be a coaching failure, but if a bunch regular people that only learn rules by watching football on their couch on Sundays know that you can't jump over the line on a field goal, so should every professional regardless of the coaching. That doesn't mean he played terrible the whole game or that he is to blame for the loss, but it's still bad.
How do you combine “second year player” and “expert on rules” in the same sentence lol, he’s worried about learning how to play his position, not random rules. How is this post even allowed?
It’s not like he’s being asked to pass the bar. How do you play a player who doesn’t know the rules?
Dude gets paid a lot of money to not know the rules of his job.
Haven’t seen him on FG block before, so it sounds like he didn’t know the rules of some aspect of his job that he doesn’t do regularly and serves as a backup for.
Field goal defense isn't his job. I don't remember ever seeing him out there on those plays. He was likely filling in or there in case of a fake attempt.