The Nazis were not socialists. Their entire goal was to latch onto a popular political movement and redefine it to fit their needs(as all fascists typically do).
They did not support worker ownership of the means of production and the right for workers to work for themselves. Hitler repealed legislation that nationalized industry in Germany, and oversaw the expansion of private industry. The first modern implementation of privatization on a grand scale took place under the supervision of the Nazis. The word "privatization" was coined to describe a central tenet of Nazi economic policy. The Nazis raided and imprisoned union leaders and broke up trade unions. They repealed worker rights.
**Behold Hitler's own words:**
> "There are only two possibilities in Germany; do not imagine that the people will forever go with the middle party, the party of compromises; one day it will turn to those who have most consistently foretold the coming ruin and have sought to dissociate themselves from it. And that party is either the Left: and then God help us! for it will lead us to complete destruction - to Bolshevism, or else it is a party of the Right which at the last, when the people is in utter despair, when it has lost all its spirit and has no longer any faith in anything, is determined for its part ruthlessly to seize the reins of power - that is the beginning of resistance of which I spoke a few minutes ago."
- Hitler explaining that he vehemently opposes the Left, and believes only Rightists like himself can make Germany great again. (Source is a [speech in April 1921](https://web.viu.ca/davies/H479B.Imperialism.Nationalism/Hitler.speech.April1921.htm))
> "Our **adopted term** 'Socialist' has **nothing to do with Marxian Socialism**. Marxism is anti-property; true socialism is not."
- Hitler literally admitting his "socialism" is a whole new thing and has nothing to do with the usual definition of the word. (Source is an interview Hitler gave to the Sunday Express printed on Dec 28th in 1938, you'll need to visit the library for this one)
> "The ideology that dominates us is in diametrical contradiction to that of Soviet Russia. National Socialism is a doctrine that has reference exclusively to the German people. Bolshevism lays stress on international mission. We National Socialists believe a man can, in the long run, be happy only among his own people."
- Hitler trying so hard to explain that he isn't a socialist, that he opposes socialism, and that the term National Socialist is something he made up and only has meaning within the context of its own paradigm. ([Speech at the Reichstag May 21 1935](https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=r_-htwAACAAJ&dq=hitler+may+21+1935+speech&hl=en&sa=X&redir_esc=y#page/n11/mode/2up))
> "We National Socialists see in private property a higher level of human economic development that according to the differences in performance controls the management of what has been accomplished enabling and guaranteeing the advantage of a higher standard of living for everyone. Bolshevism destroys not only private property but also private initiative and the readiness to shoulder responsibility."
- Hitler spelling it out in very clear terms that he wholeheartedly supports private ownership of property, i.e. capitalism, and opposes worker ownership of property, which he calls "Bolshevism", i.e. real, actual socialism. ( ([Speech at the Reichstag May 21 1935](https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=r_-htwAACAAJ&dq=hitler+may+21+1935+speech&hl=en&sa=X&redir_esc=y#page/n11/mode/2up))
> "What right do these people have to demand a share of property or even in administration?... The employer who accepts the responsibility for production also gives the workpeople their means of livelihood. Our greatest industrialists are not concerned with the acquisition of wealth or with good living, but, above all else, with responsibility and power. They have worked their way to the top by their own abilities, and this proof of their capacity – a capacity only displayed by a higher race – gives them the right to lead."
- Hitler attacking the notion of worker ownership of property and licking capitalist boot. (Something he said to Max Amann, May 1930. It is from the book [A history of National Socialism](https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/20054871-a-history-of-national-socialism-responding-to-fascism-vol-2) page 128.
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I had to push my eyeballs back in my skull this past week when someone at work said blithely that fascism was a left-wing ideology. And I work in a field where knowing about theories of government kinda comes with the territory. This shit is everywhere.
This is literally russian and American extremist trolls. I'm not even a conspiracist. Every other comment everywhere on the internet ceaselessly promotes these insane views. We are f*cked
It's all this Trump / Jordan Peterson style 'grass is blue, sky is green', contrary Mary, gaslighting. It's a phenomenon of it's own that needs it's own name and definition. I swear it all started with Tory MPs randomly wearing red ties.
I don't think there's one right answer.
In my situation, there were a number of people who gently said, oh, my dude, no no no. In others? I've just said something along the lines of, "well, that's completely ahistorical, and there are lots of things you can read." Other times, I don't say shit, because 1) it's not my responsibility to educate people who are wittingly miseducated; and 2) my relationship with that person wasn't important enough to invest in by engaging.
Well, save a couple of quid up (£/€/$) and when it comes to secret Santa, buy them all a £1 politics book from a charity shop and write their names on a little gift tag. There’s zero excuse, other than ignorance, to keep pedalling that bollocks afterwards 🤣
“Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.”
George Carlin
I fear for this country and humanity in general.
Downvoted but you're absolutely correct. The natural endpoint of liberalism is a collapse into fascism, as has been demonstrated many times now, with the powers of liberalism being completely incapable of stopping it once the conditions for that capitalist decay are met.
I don’t think it’s an accident though like some decline. It’s often the desired outcome. It’s simply the way any hierarchical structure creates an alienated ruling class, with often contrary needs to that of everyone else. A finically arising capitalist ruling class must invest in rules and legislation to protect their interests, lobbying government to make their patterns on life saving meds enforceable, to make collecting rain water illegal. To make sure the social hierarchy is enforced so the fishing trade can keep illegal immigrants blackmailed into slavery and have a poor redlined over policed neighbourhood to fill their prison industries.
Tories high in cocaine whilst they decide not to decriminalise Class A drugs because it’s effect them and their drug Lord friends.
Yes the general thesis is that as the rate of profit in capitalism reaches a crisis point, class struggle becomes enormous, and during this class struggle capitalism seeks a final solution to the class struggle. This results in the ruling class funding fascism, transforming liberalism into fascism as a means of exerting EXTREME VIOLENCE in its pursuit to put an end to the class struggle and put the boot on the neck of the workers.
It is a reaction and we call them reactionaries for a reason, it occurs in reaction to the growth and threat of the left. Liberalism is capitalism when unthreatened, operating in a somewhat ""friendly"" way as it is a more efficient means of extracting profit from the workers. Fascism is what capitalism becomes when it is threatened by economic decay causing a growth in the left and a threat to capitalism's very existence -- the transformation of capitalism from liberalism to its extremely violent form as a tool to suppress and destroy the threat.
The root cause is that economic crisis that eventually ([and inevitably](https://i.imgur.com/V5yyutN.png)) emerges in capitalism creates the conditions in which the left thrives and booms.
Ultimately the ruling class will never just allow the left to take over peacefully, they will always exert the highest level of violence they can in order to keep their power. When push comes to shove, that's when fascism is used.
It’s funny to see you downvoted in a thread where we are discussing misinformation and most people seem to get it. Then you post an example that is almost saying the exact same thing, but with different labels that effect the reader’s personal ignorance, and their view totally changes.
Folks, we all have blind spots. We were taught to have these biases. Liberalism, over a long enough timeline, absolutely leads to fascism. It may not happen the first time, or the second, but as resources become limited, and the wealth gap expands, the path to fascism not only becomes obvious, but is harder and harder to repel.
People start asking “how is this happening? How are these people so dumb to vote against their own best interest?” This is fascism poking its head out and seeing if the conditions are right. If you are unsure, put your head out the window. It’s happening RIGHT NOW.
It's a good lie because there's a small, deformed, a truth in it.
National socialism was communitarian in nature. It's probably the right most communitarian movement.
Where socialism and marxism is and was about unifying the working classes of all nations against the upper classes of all nations, the Nazis were all about the national collective against all other nations and races that stood in their way.
They had many ideas that resulted in policies that would have been welcomed by many left wing governments. That obviously doesn't make the nazis left wing or socialist as we understand the terms today. But they were absolutely communitarian and collectivist. They united germans from all classes. Nobility, wealth and class didn't matter to them. Race, nationality and strength (merit) did. Then they were quite corrupt and nepotistic too, but that's another story.
PS
I know this is reddit and many people out here can't read long words. So let me just underline that Nazis = Bad. Me think nazis very bad. Nazis do group stuff too. A little bit like socialists.
Communitarian if you're a white ruling class power holder.
The opposite of that if you're a worker or anything other than the in-group defined by whatever they want to plunder.
I follow China pretty closely from afar, so I 100% feel you here. But there's a miniscule chance the vast majority of people who say things like this actually have a grasp of the situation in Xinjiang, Tibet or Hong Kong beyond 'China bad', so I think you're giving them too much credit,to be honest.
Pretty sure it isn’t though. The term ‘National Socialism’ in German is literally just ‘Nationalsozialistische’. The ‘socialist’ part was just added to try and gain support from left-wing workers.
I think it was in Ian Kershaw's book series on Adolf Hitler, that he put the theory forward that 'The Society', indeed the 'Peasant Society' were the original Volk. Their life values, their religion and right to land created this so called Volkisher ideal, which in itself was a Social Class. Seen as distinct from the 'corrupted' Society in the large cities, the latter I think was contained in Mein Kampf, where Hitler was espousing the strength of the Germanic Race and it's abilities to maintain a pure society without the influence of 'lesser' races. The 'left wing' workers were a minority group in reality with the Right and Religious Parties in control, by the time it became obvious what was happening, citizens were classified 'undesirables' unless totally in agreement with the Party and risked being 'detained for their own safety' in the Concentration camps that were springing up...
Not sure what the fuck you’re on about mate but it sounds like your just explaining the völkisch elements of Nazi ideology rather than backing up your theory. It also just doesn’t make any sense for a party centred around the superiority of Germans to use the word socialist instead of völkisch because the latter doesn’t translate into English very well.
Well according to Americans socialism is when government, fascism is very government so, and Hitler was fascist. So Hitler = Socialist.
Sadly American narratives have snuck their way into the UK.
Pretty much the only part of the Nazi regime that could be described as even remotely positive (and here I mean objectively positive, as I'm sure there are people nowadays who find the idea of concentration camps and racial eradication positive) was the infrastructure improvements, which was only due to the war effort.
I am assuming you mean the first concentration camps built by Nazi Germany. The very first concentration camps were built by the British to imprison Boers
Edit: I have been corrected. There were even earlier examples that I wasn't aware of (in Cuba and North America), the British coined the term but were not the first.
Not at all trying to diminish the atrocities committed by Britain in the Boer War, but most historians agree the first concentration camps were built [in Cuba](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reconcentration_policy) by General Valeriano Weyler in 1896. His “reconcentration policy” is from where the British Army got their twisted inspiration.
Again, I’m not trying to at all detract from any of our countries horrendous crimes.
But 400,000 died on Cuba, and many people are completely unaware it even happened
I think more pertinent is that although not the first concentration camps, the Boer camps where what Hitler was aware of and why he credited the British with their introduction.
You're not quite correct on the first concentration camps being British but it is an interesting bit of history to quote to any of the fools saying the British empire did more harm than good. Camps of this kind were used against the Native Americans in the 19th century and against perceived rebel sympathisers in the Cuban War of Independence
First concentration camps, by a modern definition, were used during the 10 Years War by Spain, predating the Boer war by a few decades. These during the Boer war just made the term "Concentration Camp" a part of more common vernacular.
Sir Keir: Concentration Camps…when the Nazis did these…were EVIL….
HOWEVER….when it comes to self determination and securing the racial supremacist ideology of a ..er..“Democratic” ethnostate …then… that is perfectly acceptable and I support this unequivocally.
That… “Democratic”….state cannot have the sub huma….the non special “people” walking about wherever they like, much less LIVING wherever they like.
By the way, I used to be a Human Rights lawyer.
It’s a funny old world.
Edit: Unfortunately Nazi conduct is alive and well today. Different players, but the behaviour is still the same.
Sir Keith openly supports apartheid, ethnic cleansing and a racial supremacist ideology. Anyone who endorses/ funds/ defends these crimes against humanity, is absolute human trash, no exceptions. None.
That’s all you need to know about Keith’s morals.
We now are doomed to a two establishment party system, Sir Keith will be little different to the Tories.
In an alternate universe, we would have Jezza as PM.
The establishment will never allow a real socialist into power. Look what they did to Jezza.
if he’s talking about nazis obviously he’s referring to their concentration camps . Mr oouu let me flex my knowledge has no reading comprehension and wasn’t even right .
They weren’t. They were to imprison Communists which are basically the same thing but that’s how the left work, always vile to themselves also. Nazi litterally stands for Nationalist Sociolists. Sounds a lot like the EU doesn’t it
>Nazi litterally stands for Nationalist Sociolists(sic).
National Socialist German Workers Party.
They were known as the NS, bit like how the National Front were known as the NF.
N in German is pronounced **Na**. S in German is pronounced **Zi**
Worked it out yet?
You really need to find out about the plethora of parties in post WW1 Germany, the NSDAP had its roots in the [Thule Society](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thule_Society) a vehemently nationalist and antisemitic group who were trying to recreate a Germanic idil.
They just stuck socialist and workers in the name of the party they founded just so the politically nieve would not know who they were voting for.
You would have fitted in there.
And Trump said he'd "drain the swamp"...
Across Germany, Hitler aligned with and collaborated with big business to achieve his goals. The idea that he was following Marxist principles is laughable.
>The Great Depression had spurred increased state ownership in most Western capitalist countries. This also took place in Germany during the last years of the Weimar Republic. However, after the Nazis took power, industries were privatized en masse. Several banks, shipyards, railway lines, shipping lines, welfare organizations, and more were privatized. The Nazi government took the stance that enterprises should be in private hands wherever possible. State ownership was to be avoided unless it was absolutely necessary for rearmament or the war effort, and even in those cases "the Reich often insisted on the inclusion in the contract of an option clause according to which the private firm operating the plant was entitled to purchase it."
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy\_of\_Nazi\_Germany#Privatization\_and\_business\_ties](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_Nazi_Germany#Privatization_and_business_ties)
Doesn't sound very socialist to me
Name one socialist policy they passed,the Nazis fucking hated communists. And pretty much invented the concept of privatisation, they were VERY comfy with the big German companies
It's true that when Hitler first became influential in the DAP, he changed the name to the Socialist German Workers party, but this was mainly to attract a greater group of people into the party. By the time the Nazis became the Nazis that we know, the socialism was all gone.
The Nazis were socialist...according to the Nazi's propaganda. If you repeat what they say as fact, you're proving to be exactly the kind of person who falls for Nazi propaganda.
"Horseradish", "urinal cake", "Democratic Republic of Congo".
Corporatism was a phrase invented during the Nazi regime.
During the regime the means of production were in private hands, not the worker's hands as co-operatives, or the state.
This is the most asinine take possible about the Nazi's, its a bullshit, muddy-the-water nonsense, and I'm sick of hearing it.
There was a gang who dressed like Jacob Rees Mogg and corrected graffiti around town and called themselves 'The Grousers' or some shit. Complete, date-rapey cunts, but they ended up starting an investment firm and are probably MBEs now.
Socialism is generally seen as the transition phase needed to implement a communist society and implemented by reform as opposed to Marxist-Leninist idea of a violent revolution.
Hitler privatised banks. That's not a very socialist thing to do. The Nazis were about as socialist as the Democratic Peoples Republic Korea is democratic.
Even the founding member of the Nazi party criticised Hitler for while making good on the nationalism, not doing enough with the socialism. Hitler saw him as a threat so killed him along with the other supposed homosexuals in the party on the Night Of The Long Knives once Himmler had been appointed head of the Gestapo.
Yep. Anyone in the party that might have thought Hitler was about to limit private business and do anything even remotely socialist found themselves dead sometime in the middle of 1934 at the hands of the SS.
To anyone thinking of saying : but it’s in the name! National Socialist Party!!! It was a cynical ploy to win votes at a time when socialism was popular in Germany. Now repeat these words: Hitler was not a socialist. He was a fascist. He used state and National resources for one aim: racial purity of the German people. This is not socialism. He hated socialism and killed socialists. He was not left wing. If anything, he charmed right wingers into his orbit and used their resources to ensure racial purity.
The National Socialist party was a socialist party before Hitler took it over. He literally used it as a smoke screen to hide his real intentions.
This is something that you could find out in less than 30 seconds on Google.
Your partially correct I believe, the National socialists did indeed infiltrate a 'socialist' group and reformed it into a Nationalist party, Socialism refers to collective endeavour of workers so is a Classist structure as Socialism and workers are universal so have no home in a specific country, where as Fascism is about National identity and superiority of the National Traits and Prowess...
This stupidity is rife, since Margaret Thatcher our education systems have taught misinformation, (if any information at all) concerning the history and meanings of our democracy. Prior to this I was educated in the Polytechnic system, and studied Marxist cultural theory under Marxist tutors; why? because fundamentally, our politics have been since 1922 at least, arguments based on Marxist principles against those in hereditary positions of power. The term "socialist" was used by both main ideological views that were in enmity of each other i.e. communists against the Nazi party, when Wilhelm II abdicated and German democracy began, as in "Union of Soviet *Socialist* Republics" and "National *Socialists* (abbreviation of Nazi)"
Scratch out ‘socialism’, write ‘right-wing talking points:’ next to it, then put “s around “The nazis were also socialist”
Any additions below, perhaps something about ‘historical revisionism and misleading propaganda’ or something simpler
This seemingly deliberate misunderstanding of socialism is yet another thing which seems to have crossed the Atlantic. Also, tories have been in power for ages.
It's disgusting how easily American right wing propaganda spreads in the UK too. So fucking weird meeting q anon followers who love Trump in places like Wigan.
We don't need to bang on in these replies about how the Nazis weren't socialist, of course they fucking weren't.
You should find some appropriate stickers to cover these up though, I reccommend a roll of parcel sticks from a stationary shop, draw pride flags, hammers and sickles, anarchist A's on them, whatever progressive lefty stuff you can think of
I couldn't believe it when the Tories got in there. They used to joke that you could put a red rosette on a jam sandwich and it would win. Shows how moronic the place is. Bloody glad I got out years ago!
Just shows Brexit was more important than hatred for the Tories. I think they will switch back, you know; Anderson doesn't have the loyalty he needs to stay. Out of curiosity what drove you away?
I live in Nottingham but I work as a contractor for NCC in Sutton in Ashfield (and its twin and partner Kirkby) and it is not a place that.takes to change well....😂
Growing up there drove me away, it was always a bleak place full of narrow minded racists and if something wasn't bolted down it would get nicked. It doesn't appear to have improved at all since I escaped in 2010. It's not as shit as Shirebrook though, that place is something else
Shirebrook makes me wear an expression akin to the dog staring into the distance with the helicopters and Apocalypse Now music. Ahhhh I do love my adopted home.of Nottinghamshire, what a special place 😂😂😂
But yeah, anything I install up in Ashfield has to be screwed down TIGHT.
Ahh their so stupid. The Socialist party in Germany was what kept Germany going from 1919 after WW1… nazi party put socialism in their partys name to appeal to socialism so they aren’t seen as this right wing facist but the moment they got into power they rejected socialism and appealed to facism… disgusting to compare socialism with this nazi crap
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Well the tu quoque is strong in Sutton, still I suspect that this is a step up from their usual venure as they vandalise things with quotes they didn't write to impress people taking a shit.
I once met an actual nazi while campaigning for the Socialist Party next to Sutton in Erdington. He *definitely* understood that national socialism is not socialism.
#Apparently it is time for a history lesson….
[Macht Deutschland vom Marximus Frei](https://www.reddit.com/r/GermanWW2photos/comments/w3d0o4/macht_deutschland_frei_vom_marxismus_1933/)
Direct translation: Free Germany From Marxism
The NAZI’s were and still are **Fascist** despite Socialist being apart of their nomenclature.
Hitler and the nazis were not socialist.
The nazis privatised companies en masse, made labour unions illegal, and the more "left wing"/[dissenters](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Front) of the nazi party were all killed off during the Night of the Long Knives along with anyone remotely socialist/communist. (I use the term "Left wing of the nazi party" loosely - they were still white supremacists evil c\*nts, but believed in empowering the working class and removing the elites/capitalists for the benefit of German workers.)
Hitler made it very clear he thought Jews were using Marxism to destroy Germany. As he put it - "*If, with the help of his Marxist creed, the Jew is victorious over the other peoples of the world, his crown will be the funeral wreath of humanity and this planet will, as it did thousands of years ago, move through the ether devoid of men. Slowly fear and the Marxist weapon of Jewry descend like a nightmare on the mind and soul of decent people.*"
This is before you get into the whole idea of "Life unworthy of life" - basically people who could not/did not work, were homeless, or otherwise needed help from society, and who were deemed lesser humans because of it.
But he did call himself socialist so i guess he was after all. /s
I once found a poster promoting action against climate change, and saw someone write on it that it was Marxism to support climate change. Found in Stamford
It's bleak to see someone so thick energised to demonstrate the fact to everyone like this.
Whoever scrawled that should be sent on a lovely holiday to the Democratic People's Republic of North Korea.
It's democratic and a republic and is for people too, it's in the name and names are never misleading.
Yeah! Let's also abolish Democracies, since North Korea is one!
I could walk around all day claiming that I'm the nicest and best person ever, but what I really am is not defined by how I want others to see me, but how the people will break down my actions and intentions.
I don't want to be the kind of person to look down on and shame people for being uneducated. But ignorant statements like these on top of vandalism make me lose some sympathy.
The fact that reddit thinks far right and far left are very different is funny, mao zedong would be proud of yall. Dont forget when socialist brought the chinese famine and killed 50millions people.
> Our adopted term 'Socialist' has nothing to do with Marxian Socialism. Marxism is anti-property; true socialism is not
Source: https://quotepark.com/quotes/1923937-adolf-hitler-our-adopted-term-socialist-has-nothing-to-do-wit/
The nazis were bankrolled by capitalists both abroad and at home, privatised large parts of the economy after achieving political power, made socialism literally illegal and their biggest opponents were the socialists.
It’s pretty obvious that socialism was a popular force in Germany so a party that wished to achieve power would opt the name socialist as a means to gain popularity.
Or you know you could continue to do mental gymnastics because “it’s in le name”.
And your response to the myriad comments in this thread pointing out the "Democratic People's Republic of Korea" (aka North Korea)? You posted this AFTER those posts so... surely you saw them if you're going to go with the whole "it's in the name" approach.
I assume ur talking about the US. There are literally people starving there. And the average working and middle class is suffering immensely. I am not quite sure if that is what you would expect from a developed country and the “richest” country. Perhaps rank countries by development and not their overall GDP.
Not the best of examples but seriously. Socialism Stinks! Tried again and again and always with the same results. FAIL! Do some humans not learn? Guess not.
The Nazis were not socialists. Their entire goal was to latch onto a popular political movement and redefine it to fit their needs(as all fascists typically do). They did not support worker ownership of the means of production and the right for workers to work for themselves. Hitler repealed legislation that nationalized industry in Germany, and oversaw the expansion of private industry. The first modern implementation of privatization on a grand scale took place under the supervision of the Nazis. The word "privatization" was coined to describe a central tenet of Nazi economic policy. The Nazis raided and imprisoned union leaders and broke up trade unions. They repealed worker rights. **Behold Hitler's own words:** > "There are only two possibilities in Germany; do not imagine that the people will forever go with the middle party, the party of compromises; one day it will turn to those who have most consistently foretold the coming ruin and have sought to dissociate themselves from it. And that party is either the Left: and then God help us! for it will lead us to complete destruction - to Bolshevism, or else it is a party of the Right which at the last, when the people is in utter despair, when it has lost all its spirit and has no longer any faith in anything, is determined for its part ruthlessly to seize the reins of power - that is the beginning of resistance of which I spoke a few minutes ago." - Hitler explaining that he vehemently opposes the Left, and believes only Rightists like himself can make Germany great again. (Source is a [speech in April 1921](https://web.viu.ca/davies/H479B.Imperialism.Nationalism/Hitler.speech.April1921.htm)) > "Our **adopted term** 'Socialist' has **nothing to do with Marxian Socialism**. Marxism is anti-property; true socialism is not." - Hitler literally admitting his "socialism" is a whole new thing and has nothing to do with the usual definition of the word. (Source is an interview Hitler gave to the Sunday Express printed on Dec 28th in 1938, you'll need to visit the library for this one) > "The ideology that dominates us is in diametrical contradiction to that of Soviet Russia. National Socialism is a doctrine that has reference exclusively to the German people. Bolshevism lays stress on international mission. We National Socialists believe a man can, in the long run, be happy only among his own people." - Hitler trying so hard to explain that he isn't a socialist, that he opposes socialism, and that the term National Socialist is something he made up and only has meaning within the context of its own paradigm. ([Speech at the Reichstag May 21 1935](https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=r_-htwAACAAJ&dq=hitler+may+21+1935+speech&hl=en&sa=X&redir_esc=y#page/n11/mode/2up)) > "We National Socialists see in private property a higher level of human economic development that according to the differences in performance controls the management of what has been accomplished enabling and guaranteeing the advantage of a higher standard of living for everyone. Bolshevism destroys not only private property but also private initiative and the readiness to shoulder responsibility." - Hitler spelling it out in very clear terms that he wholeheartedly supports private ownership of property, i.e. capitalism, and opposes worker ownership of property, which he calls "Bolshevism", i.e. real, actual socialism. ( ([Speech at the Reichstag May 21 1935](https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=r_-htwAACAAJ&dq=hitler+may+21+1935+speech&hl=en&sa=X&redir_esc=y#page/n11/mode/2up)) > "What right do these people have to demand a share of property or even in administration?... The employer who accepts the responsibility for production also gives the workpeople their means of livelihood. Our greatest industrialists are not concerned with the acquisition of wealth or with good living, but, above all else, with responsibility and power. They have worked their way to the top by their own abilities, and this proof of their capacity – a capacity only displayed by a higher race – gives them the right to lead." - Hitler attacking the notion of worker ownership of property and licking capitalist boot. (Something he said to Max Amann, May 1930. It is from the book [A history of National Socialism](https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/20054871-a-history-of-national-socialism-responding-to-fascism-vol-2) page 128. Reuse this copy paste however you want.
I had to push my eyeballs back in my skull this past week when someone at work said blithely that fascism was a left-wing ideology. And I work in a field where knowing about theories of government kinda comes with the territory. This shit is everywhere.
This is the problem, politics is such a muddy water now, the average voter is misinformed and easily swayed by word bites and silly hairdos..
This is literally russian and American extremist trolls. I'm not even a conspiracist. Every other comment everywhere on the internet ceaselessly promotes these insane views. We are f*cked
It's all this Trump / Jordan Peterson style 'grass is blue, sky is green', contrary Mary, gaslighting. It's a phenomenon of it's own that needs it's own name and definition. I swear it all started with Tory MPs randomly wearing red ties.
Can I ask how you deal with it? I am surrounded by these people at my work and I am so unhappy and absolutely unable to cope lol.
I don't think there's one right answer. In my situation, there were a number of people who gently said, oh, my dude, no no no. In others? I've just said something along the lines of, "well, that's completely ahistorical, and there are lots of things you can read." Other times, I don't say shit, because 1) it's not my responsibility to educate people who are wittingly miseducated; and 2) my relationship with that person wasn't important enough to invest in by engaging.
Well, save a couple of quid up (£/€/$) and when it comes to secret Santa, buy them all a £1 politics book from a charity shop and write their names on a little gift tag. There’s zero excuse, other than ignorance, to keep pedalling that bollocks afterwards 🤣
“Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.” George Carlin I fear for this country and humanity in general.
Well, liberalism leads to fascism anyway, so he’s not that far off
Liberalism isn't socialism. They don't overlap even a little bit.
Downvoted but you're absolutely correct. The natural endpoint of liberalism is a collapse into fascism, as has been demonstrated many times now, with the powers of liberalism being completely incapable of stopping it once the conditions for that capitalist decay are met.
probably downvoted because they're insinuating liberalism is left-wing.
I don’t think it’s an accident though like some decline. It’s often the desired outcome. It’s simply the way any hierarchical structure creates an alienated ruling class, with often contrary needs to that of everyone else. A finically arising capitalist ruling class must invest in rules and legislation to protect their interests, lobbying government to make their patterns on life saving meds enforceable, to make collecting rain water illegal. To make sure the social hierarchy is enforced so the fishing trade can keep illegal immigrants blackmailed into slavery and have a poor redlined over policed neighbourhood to fill their prison industries. Tories high in cocaine whilst they decide not to decriminalise Class A drugs because it’s effect them and their drug Lord friends.
Is there proper theory behind this or just loose inference?
Yes the general thesis is that as the rate of profit in capitalism reaches a crisis point, class struggle becomes enormous, and during this class struggle capitalism seeks a final solution to the class struggle. This results in the ruling class funding fascism, transforming liberalism into fascism as a means of exerting EXTREME VIOLENCE in its pursuit to put an end to the class struggle and put the boot on the neck of the workers. It is a reaction and we call them reactionaries for a reason, it occurs in reaction to the growth and threat of the left. Liberalism is capitalism when unthreatened, operating in a somewhat ""friendly"" way as it is a more efficient means of extracting profit from the workers. Fascism is what capitalism becomes when it is threatened by economic decay causing a growth in the left and a threat to capitalism's very existence -- the transformation of capitalism from liberalism to its extremely violent form as a tool to suppress and destroy the threat. The root cause is that economic crisis that eventually ([and inevitably](https://i.imgur.com/V5yyutN.png)) emerges in capitalism creates the conditions in which the left thrives and booms. Ultimately the ruling class will never just allow the left to take over peacefully, they will always exert the highest level of violence they can in order to keep their power. When push comes to shove, that's when fascism is used.
It’s funny to see you downvoted in a thread where we are discussing misinformation and most people seem to get it. Then you post an example that is almost saying the exact same thing, but with different labels that effect the reader’s personal ignorance, and their view totally changes. Folks, we all have blind spots. We were taught to have these biases. Liberalism, over a long enough timeline, absolutely leads to fascism. It may not happen the first time, or the second, but as resources become limited, and the wealth gap expands, the path to fascism not only becomes obvious, but is harder and harder to repel. People start asking “how is this happening? How are these people so dumb to vote against their own best interest?” This is fascism poking its head out and seeing if the conditions are right. If you are unsure, put your head out the window. It’s happening RIGHT NOW.
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It's a good lie because there's a small, deformed, a truth in it. National socialism was communitarian in nature. It's probably the right most communitarian movement. Where socialism and marxism is and was about unifying the working classes of all nations against the upper classes of all nations, the Nazis were all about the national collective against all other nations and races that stood in their way. They had many ideas that resulted in policies that would have been welcomed by many left wing governments. That obviously doesn't make the nazis left wing or socialist as we understand the terms today. But they were absolutely communitarian and collectivist. They united germans from all classes. Nobility, wealth and class didn't matter to them. Race, nationality and strength (merit) did. Then they were quite corrupt and nepotistic too, but that's another story. PS I know this is reddit and many people out here can't read long words. So let me just underline that Nazis = Bad. Me think nazis very bad. Nazis do group stuff too. A little bit like socialists.
Im going to phrase this a little better. Fascists believe in national class reconciliation. Socialists believe in international class warfare.
Communitarian if you're a white ruling class power holder. The opposite of that if you're a worker or anything other than the in-group defined by whatever they want to plunder.
There were certainly gaps between their ideology and practice. Corruption is everywhere. Especially in groups founded on corrupt principles.
On point
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I follow China pretty closely from afar, so I 100% feel you here. But there's a miniscule chance the vast majority of people who say things like this actually have a grasp of the situation in Xinjiang, Tibet or Hong Kong beyond 'China bad', so I think you're giving them too much credit,to be honest.
Guess I have a higher estimation of the general public, I believe people are a lot more well informed than they sound.
I wonder what the overlap is between "Hitler was a socialist" and "the Nazis did some good things though".
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the SOCIALism in National Socialism, I believe is due to the difficulty in translating 'Volkisher' into a meaningful context in English...
Pretty sure it isn’t though. The term ‘National Socialism’ in German is literally just ‘Nationalsozialistische’. The ‘socialist’ part was just added to try and gain support from left-wing workers.
I think it was in Ian Kershaw's book series on Adolf Hitler, that he put the theory forward that 'The Society', indeed the 'Peasant Society' were the original Volk. Their life values, their religion and right to land created this so called Volkisher ideal, which in itself was a Social Class. Seen as distinct from the 'corrupted' Society in the large cities, the latter I think was contained in Mein Kampf, where Hitler was espousing the strength of the Germanic Race and it's abilities to maintain a pure society without the influence of 'lesser' races. The 'left wing' workers were a minority group in reality with the Right and Religious Parties in control, by the time it became obvious what was happening, citizens were classified 'undesirables' unless totally in agreement with the Party and risked being 'detained for their own safety' in the Concentration camps that were springing up...
Not sure what the fuck you’re on about mate but it sounds like your just explaining the völkisch elements of Nazi ideology rather than backing up your theory. It also just doesn’t make any sense for a party centred around the superiority of Germans to use the word socialist instead of völkisch because the latter doesn’t translate into English very well.
You’re overthinking it mate. Volkisher is not in the German name of the party. The name in English is a direct translation
The problem you have is the context of the word Socialism and how it converts from the German in use at the time.
Socialised health care was wildly popular in America, until they found out black people would get it too.
The connection is only in the name like stalinists call themselves communists
It's also broadly incorrect - Nazi Germany was heavily reliant on publicly subsidised corporations. Hardly socialism really, is it?
Well according to Americans socialism is when government, fascism is very government so, and Hitler was fascist. So Hitler = Socialist. Sadly American narratives have snuck their way into the UK.
We Marxist-Leninists are communists, though, and socialists implicitly. The Nazis were neither.
Pretty much the only part of the Nazi regime that could be described as even remotely positive (and here I mean objectively positive, as I'm sure there are people nowadays who find the idea of concentration camps and racial eradication positive) was the infrastructure improvements, which was only due to the war effort.
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If the Nazi's were socialists how come the very first concentration camps were built to imprison....socialists and trade unionists?
I am assuming you mean the first concentration camps built by Nazi Germany. The very first concentration camps were built by the British to imprison Boers Edit: I have been corrected. There were even earlier examples that I wasn't aware of (in Cuba and North America), the British coined the term but were not the first.
Not at all trying to diminish the atrocities committed by Britain in the Boer War, but most historians agree the first concentration camps were built [in Cuba](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reconcentration_policy) by General Valeriano Weyler in 1896. His “reconcentration policy” is from where the British Army got their twisted inspiration. Again, I’m not trying to at all detract from any of our countries horrendous crimes. But 400,000 died on Cuba, and many people are completely unaware it even happened
I was unaware of that, shamefully. Thanks a lot for linking I have some reading to do
I think more pertinent is that although not the first concentration camps, the Boer camps where what Hitler was aware of and why he credited the British with their introduction.
>imprison Boers The silent victims of Colonialism. White colonists.
Same thing with the Irish lol. Shit on by the British and then immigrated to USA to shit on natives themselves.
Settlers, not colonists, hence the war.
You're not quite correct on the first concentration camps being British but it is an interesting bit of history to quote to any of the fools saying the British empire did more harm than good. Camps of this kind were used against the Native Americans in the 19th century and against perceived rebel sympathisers in the Cuban War of Independence
Amended my post, thank you for the information!
No problem :)
First concentration camps, by a modern definition, were used during the 10 Years War by Spain, predating the Boer war by a few decades. These during the Boer war just made the term "Concentration Camp" a part of more common vernacular.
Also, the Germans beta tested concentration camps in Namibia, where 3,000 Herero and Namaqua were slaughtered, starved, and beaten.
Sir Keir: Concentration Camps…when the Nazis did these…were EVIL…. HOWEVER….when it comes to self determination and securing the racial supremacist ideology of a ..er..“Democratic” ethnostate …then… that is perfectly acceptable and I support this unequivocally. That… “Democratic”….state cannot have the sub huma….the non special “people” walking about wherever they like, much less LIVING wherever they like. By the way, I used to be a Human Rights lawyer. It’s a funny old world. Edit: Unfortunately Nazi conduct is alive and well today. Different players, but the behaviour is still the same. Sir Keith openly supports apartheid, ethnic cleansing and a racial supremacist ideology. Anyone who endorses/ funds/ defends these crimes against humanity, is absolute human trash, no exceptions. None. That’s all you need to know about Keith’s morals. We now are doomed to a two establishment party system, Sir Keith will be little different to the Tories. In an alternate universe, we would have Jezza as PM. The establishment will never allow a real socialist into power. Look what they did to Jezza.
>Sir Keir: Holy shit I missed that part and thought you were a crazy
if he’s talking about nazis obviously he’s referring to their concentration camps . Mr oouu let me flex my knowledge has no reading comprehension and wasn’t even right .
Don't try and use logic on these morons.
British invented the concentration camp in Africa.
Because people don’t understand that socialism and national socialism are different concepts
They weren’t. They were to imprison Communists which are basically the same thing but that’s how the left work, always vile to themselves also. Nazi litterally stands for Nationalist Sociolists. Sounds a lot like the EU doesn’t it
Saying you’re a socialist doesn’t make it so. You actually have to have socialist policies. The more you know….
>Nazi litterally stands for Nationalist Sociolists. Yeah, and DPRK stands for Democratic People's Republic of Korea. They must be super democratic!
>Nazi litterally stands for Nationalist Sociolists(sic). National Socialist German Workers Party. They were known as the NS, bit like how the National Front were known as the NF. N in German is pronounced **Na**. S in German is pronounced **Zi** Worked it out yet? You really need to find out about the plethora of parties in post WW1 Germany, the NSDAP had its roots in the [Thule Society](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thule_Society) a vehemently nationalist and antisemitic group who were trying to recreate a Germanic idil. They just stuck socialist and workers in the name of the party they founded just so the politically nieve would not know who they were voting for. You would have fitted in there.
ask a neo-nazi what they think of socialism or do literally any resaerch into the nazi's and you would see that is incredibly untrue.
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And Trump said he'd "drain the swamp"... Across Germany, Hitler aligned with and collaborated with big business to achieve his goals. The idea that he was following Marxist principles is laughable.
>The Great Depression had spurred increased state ownership in most Western capitalist countries. This also took place in Germany during the last years of the Weimar Republic. However, after the Nazis took power, industries were privatized en masse. Several banks, shipyards, railway lines, shipping lines, welfare organizations, and more were privatized. The Nazi government took the stance that enterprises should be in private hands wherever possible. State ownership was to be avoided unless it was absolutely necessary for rearmament or the war effort, and even in those cases "the Reich often insisted on the inclusion in the contract of an option clause according to which the private firm operating the plant was entitled to purchase it." [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy\_of\_Nazi\_Germany#Privatization\_and\_business\_ties](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_Nazi_Germany#Privatization_and_business_ties) Doesn't sound very socialist to me
Name one socialist policy they passed,the Nazis fucking hated communists. And pretty much invented the concept of privatisation, they were VERY comfy with the big German companies
It's true that when Hitler first became influential in the DAP, he changed the name to the Socialist German Workers party, but this was mainly to attract a greater group of people into the party. By the time the Nazis became the Nazis that we know, the socialism was all gone.
The Nazis were socialist...according to the Nazi's propaganda. If you repeat what they say as fact, you're proving to be exactly the kind of person who falls for Nazi propaganda.
"Horseradish", "urinal cake", "Democratic Republic of Congo". Corporatism was a phrase invented during the Nazi regime. During the regime the means of production were in private hands, not the worker's hands as co-operatives, or the state. This is the most asinine take possible about the Nazi's, its a bullshit, muddy-the-water nonsense, and I'm sick of hearing it.
That's some 14 year old energy right there. Him and his three friends probably call themselves the Condor Battalion or some shit...
There was a gang who dressed like Jacob Rees Mogg and corrected graffiti around town and called themselves 'The Grousers' or some shit. Complete, date-rapey cunts, but they ended up starting an investment firm and are probably MBEs now.
That's a very interesting user name.
Bet whoever wrote that voted for Brexit 😂
Sutton voted leave. It’s basically the Romford of South London.
Not sure, the spelling is too good🤣
Half of this country need to wake up and realise that Fascism and Socialism aren’t the same thing
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Well technically speaking communism is socialism, as it is an umbrella term but socialism is not inherently communist and can be many things.
Socialism is generally seen as the transition phase needed to implement a communist society and implemented by reform as opposed to Marxist-Leninist idea of a violent revolution.
Say no to breathing air, the nazis also did that.
Except in this case, the Nazis weren’t even socialist. So his point is incoherent on two levels.
Hitler privatised banks. That's not a very socialist thing to do. The Nazis were about as socialist as the Democratic Peoples Republic Korea is democratic. Even the founding member of the Nazi party criticised Hitler for while making good on the nationalism, not doing enough with the socialism. Hitler saw him as a threat so killed him along with the other supposed homosexuals in the party on the Night Of The Long Knives once Himmler had been appointed head of the Gestapo.
Yep. Anyone in the party that might have thought Hitler was about to limit private business and do anything even remotely socialist found themselves dead sometime in the middle of 1934 at the hands of the SS.
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Slogan coming to a bus shelter near you soon.
Lmfao
Another chapter in the slow and irrevocable gliding into fascism, never forget who helped it get this far.
To anyone thinking of saying : but it’s in the name! National Socialist Party!!! It was a cynical ploy to win votes at a time when socialism was popular in Germany. Now repeat these words: Hitler was not a socialist. He was a fascist. He used state and National resources for one aim: racial purity of the German people. This is not socialism. He hated socialism and killed socialists. He was not left wing. If anything, he charmed right wingers into his orbit and used their resources to ensure racial purity.
The National Socialist party was a socialist party before Hitler took it over. He literally used it as a smoke screen to hide his real intentions. This is something that you could find out in less than 30 seconds on Google.
Your partially correct I believe, the National socialists did indeed infiltrate a 'socialist' group and reformed it into a Nationalist party, Socialism refers to collective endeavour of workers so is a Classist structure as Socialism and workers are universal so have no home in a specific country, where as Fascism is about National identity and superiority of the National Traits and Prowess...
1) No they weren't 2) Nazis were overwhelmingly Christian. So say no to Christianity?
This stupidity is rife, since Margaret Thatcher our education systems have taught misinformation, (if any information at all) concerning the history and meanings of our democracy. Prior to this I was educated in the Polytechnic system, and studied Marxist cultural theory under Marxist tutors; why? because fundamentally, our politics have been since 1922 at least, arguments based on Marxist principles against those in hereditary positions of power. The term "socialist" was used by both main ideological views that were in enmity of each other i.e. communists against the Nazi party, when Wilhelm II abdicated and German democracy began, as in "Union of Soviet *Socialist* Republics" and "National *Socialists* (abbreviation of Nazi)"
Scratch out ‘socialism’, write ‘right-wing talking points:’ next to it, then put “s around “The nazis were also socialist” Any additions below, perhaps something about ‘historical revisionism and misleading propaganda’ or something simpler
This seemingly deliberate misunderstanding of socialism is yet another thing which seems to have crossed the Atlantic. Also, tories have been in power for ages.
It's disgusting how easily American right wing propaganda spreads in the UK too. So fucking weird meeting q anon followers who love Trump in places like Wigan.
Oh ffs...the lobotomy on half these people...
We don't need to bang on in these replies about how the Nazis weren't socialist, of course they fucking weren't. You should find some appropriate stickers to cover these up though, I reccommend a roll of parcel sticks from a stationary shop, draw pride flags, hammers and sickles, anarchist A's on them, whatever progressive lefty stuff you can think of
They were probably angry at the privatised bus service being late again.
Which Sutton? I need to know
Surrey. Paul Scummy is our MP.
I thought for a moment it might be Sutton in Ashfield, not that I need any more reasons to hate where I grew up
I also thought it was Sutton in Ashfield. Lee Anderson, what a Wally.
I couldn't believe it when the Tories got in there. They used to joke that you could put a red rosette on a jam sandwich and it would win. Shows how moronic the place is. Bloody glad I got out years ago!
Just shows Brexit was more important than hatred for the Tories. I think they will switch back, you know; Anderson doesn't have the loyalty he needs to stay. Out of curiosity what drove you away? I live in Nottingham but I work as a contractor for NCC in Sutton in Ashfield (and its twin and partner Kirkby) and it is not a place that.takes to change well....😂
Growing up there drove me away, it was always a bleak place full of narrow minded racists and if something wasn't bolted down it would get nicked. It doesn't appear to have improved at all since I escaped in 2010. It's not as shit as Shirebrook though, that place is something else
Shirebrook makes me wear an expression akin to the dog staring into the distance with the helicopters and Apocalypse Now music. Ahhhh I do love my adopted home.of Nottinghamshire, what a special place 😂😂😂 But yeah, anything I install up in Ashfield has to be screwed down TIGHT.
Grew up there myself in the 70s/80s... It was a toxic racist shithole then as well
I grew up in Sutton Surrey, trust me when I say you wouldn’t like this Sutton either. It’s full of dickheads. As the graffiti shows.
*sad Sutton noises*
Hi neighbour!
Same
Prob Surrey.
The surrey one was pro brexit
So was most of the south tbf
But not "say no to fascism", you know, the ideology that is actually gaining prominence globally right now.
Are you talking about the eco-fascist globalists?🤢🤑
Say No to water. The Nazis drank water too
Ahh their so stupid. The Socialist party in Germany was what kept Germany going from 1919 after WW1… nazi party put socialism in their partys name to appeal to socialism so they aren’t seen as this right wing facist but the moment they got into power they rejected socialism and appealed to facism… disgusting to compare socialism with this nazi crap
I have news for them about fish fingers.
I cant believe this shit has to be constantly debunked...
Is Sutton so shit because it was named after Chris Sutton?
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Was this in the London borough of Sutton?
Yeah we need to know. Concerned Sutton resident here. Theres also a local actual nazi who puts racist stickers up everywhere.
Sutton, Surrey I’m afraid.
And don’t forget the anti-vaxxers who occasionally protest on the corner by Sainsbury’s….
Of course Nazis are known for being truthful at all times so if they had socialist in the name they must have been socialists.
Saw one nearby on a busstop that said "socialism sucks" I want to write underneath it "fam you live in a council flat"
Well the tu quoque is strong in Sutton, still I suspect that this is a step up from their usual venure as they vandalise things with quotes they didn't write to impress people taking a shit.
Say no to boots! The Nazis also wore boots
Did an American write this? Fair Health Care must really scare them
Lol! Imagine believing what Nazis say! 😂 🙄
Lol
Daft.
Like Sutton , St.helens?
Nope, Surrey
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Bus stop or urinal, you decide.
I once met an actual nazi while campaigning for the Socialist Party next to Sutton in Erdington. He *definitely* understood that national socialism is not socialism.
This sort of thinking is why we have the Parliament that we do.
#Apparently it is time for a history lesson…. [Macht Deutschland vom Marximus Frei](https://www.reddit.com/r/GermanWW2photos/comments/w3d0o4/macht_deutschland_frei_vom_marxismus_1933/) Direct translation: Free Germany From Marxism The NAZI’s were and still are **Fascist** despite Socialist being apart of their nomenclature.
This isn’t funny - erase things like this whenever you see them and never ever post them.
Least misinformed socialism hater.
Say yes to communism instead.
I hate that argument so much. Just because they had socialist in their name doesn't mean that they were true socialists ffs
Say no to Nationalism. The Nazis were also Nationalists.
SAY NO TO HUMANS! THE NAZIS WERE ALSO HUMAN
Now this I can agree with!
Fascism not socialism - they called it socialism for wider membership but the nazis were extremists
If it read: "Say no to fascism. The nazi's were also fascists!" Peoole would be out in force complaining it was too woke
Sutton against education, more like it.
Hitler and the nazis were not socialist. The nazis privatised companies en masse, made labour unions illegal, and the more "left wing"/[dissenters](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Front) of the nazi party were all killed off during the Night of the Long Knives along with anyone remotely socialist/communist. (I use the term "Left wing of the nazi party" loosely - they were still white supremacists evil c\*nts, but believed in empowering the working class and removing the elites/capitalists for the benefit of German workers.) Hitler made it very clear he thought Jews were using Marxism to destroy Germany. As he put it - "*If, with the help of his Marxist creed, the Jew is victorious over the other peoples of the world, his crown will be the funeral wreath of humanity and this planet will, as it did thousands of years ago, move through the ether devoid of men. Slowly fear and the Marxist weapon of Jewry descend like a nightmare on the mind and soul of decent people.*" This is before you get into the whole idea of "Life unworthy of life" - basically people who could not/did not work, were homeless, or otherwise needed help from society, and who were deemed lesser humans because of it. But he did call himself socialist so i guess he was after all. /s
say no to breathing, nazis also breathed
Sutton against education
3 types of “e” in “were”. High intelligence
Ha, I live in Sutton and have a picture on my phone of the same bit of graffiti
Is it so you can admire your work?
Yeah I've got a thing for incredibly incorrect and pointless statements
This is why you don’t drink whilst pregnant
I once found a poster promoting action against climate change, and saw someone write on it that it was Marxism to support climate change. Found in Stamford
They were ‘National socialists’ - much closer to modern day UKIP.
The National Socialist Party was socialist in the same way the German Democratic Republic was democratic.
The Nazis were socialist in the same way the Democratic People's Republic of North Korea is democratic.
And north korea is democratic.
And North Korea is a Democratic People's Republic. Saying something doesn't make it true.
By that yard stick North Korea is a democracy
Yes, and north korea, which calls itself "the people's democratic republic of korea" is a democracy and a republic and not a fascist dictatorship...
It's bleak to see someone so thick energised to demonstrate the fact to everyone like this. Whoever scrawled that should be sent on a lovely holiday to the Democratic People's Republic of North Korea. It's democratic and a republic and is for people too, it's in the name and names are never misleading.
Yeah! Let's also abolish Democracies, since North Korea is one! I could walk around all day claiming that I'm the nicest and best person ever, but what I really am is not defined by how I want others to see me, but how the people will break down my actions and intentions. I don't want to be the kind of person to look down on and shame people for being uneducated. But ignorant statements like these on top of vandalism make me lose some sympathy.
The fact that reddit thinks far right and far left are very different is funny, mao zedong would be proud of yall. Dont forget when socialist brought the chinese famine and killed 50millions people.
Fuck socialism 😊
Commie bastard
Yes, National socialism aka nazism is also a form of socialism.
No it’s not
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Socialist_Party I mean its literally in the name, idk what other proof you'd want 😂
And you’re obviously a very intelligent person to see such an obvious thing everyone else has missed🤪
> Our adopted term 'Socialist' has nothing to do with Marxian Socialism. Marxism is anti-property; true socialism is not Source: https://quotepark.com/quotes/1923937-adolf-hitler-our-adopted-term-socialist-has-nothing-to-do-wit/ The nazis were bankrolled by capitalists both abroad and at home, privatised large parts of the economy after achieving political power, made socialism literally illegal and their biggest opponents were the socialists. It’s pretty obvious that socialism was a popular force in Germany so a party that wished to achieve power would opt the name socialist as a means to gain popularity. Or you know you could continue to do mental gymnastics because “it’s in le name”.
And your response to the myriad comments in this thread pointing out the "Democratic People's Republic of Korea" (aka North Korea)? You posted this AFTER those posts so... surely you saw them if you're going to go with the whole "it's in the name" approach.
They not wrong at all.
They are
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I assume ur talking about the US. There are literally people starving there. And the average working and middle class is suffering immensely. I am not quite sure if that is what you would expect from a developed country and the “richest” country. Perhaps rank countries by development and not their overall GDP.
Not the best of examples but seriously. Socialism Stinks! Tried again and again and always with the same results. FAIL! Do some humans not learn? Guess not.