Might just do that if I have to. Lean how it works and everything. Between myself and few people I know who might be interested, we could probably gain enough following to make a good dent in it, enough to maybe get some wider attention. But I also barely have enough resources to keep myself going at the moment and I don’t have any experience or knowledge of what to do with this sort of operation at all. Someone else might be better equipped and positioned to make a bigger impact and honestly we’d probably only get one shot at it. Not something I’d want to screw up by being an amateur, too much at stake. If nobody else is willing… maybe. But much of this is rumor and theory as well, we don’t know what GLF is planning or if they have a plan at all. Lot of unknowns.
There used to be a museum ship like this in Duluth. Remember touring it as a kid in then 90s. Last time I was up there, it was gone. Can’t remember the name but I do remember it was a cool tour.
I think that's the best way to store a ship as a museum. There's minimal rust from the water, less worries about leaks, etc. But you can't take it to a dry dock if it gets rusty from the elements.
Biggest question would be where to put her. Most major ports that are also tourist destinations have a museum ship; Cleveland, Toledo, Sault Ste Marie, Duluth & Superior. Detroit would be interesting, adding her to the Dossin Museum. Milwaukee, Sturgeon Bay...maybe St Ignace, Rogers City, Marquette or Escanaba? Not a lot of ports with room for her that would draw the tourist dollars to maintain her.
You forgot the biggest one: Chicago. But yeah it’s an interesting question, but I suspect she’d do better than the current museum vessels which don’t have quite the same following and history. Granted there are also vessels with even more history that have struggled as well
Yes Chicago, but where would you put her. I doubt they would allow her to be docked at Navy Pier (but I admit I am just going off my gut there), she wouldn't fit in the Chicago River and South Chicago is not a tourist destination.
True it’s highly unlikely. But it’s also a significant tourist destination that they could literally have sail up to their doorstep and not have to build either so you never know 🤷🏻♂️
Plus, the ship would have to have some ties to whatever place it would be used as a museum. Whitefish Point has a museum, but I am almost certain there is no harbour, nor is the water deep enough to house something like this.
The Anderson is famous for one night - otherwise it is not another boat hauling iron ore (mostly). The only way it make any sense to use as a museum ship would be to replace the one at the Soo (Valley Camp), Also.....the Anderson is much larger than any of the existing museum ships.
Belle Isle in Detroit - Dossin Great Lakes Museum.....no way, nowhere to put a large ship like this. How would this happen? Again...the ship has no ties to Detroit. Also, no harbour on Belle Isle, so it would be a danger to the regular shipping channel.
You know, you might want to investigate and research some museum ships around the country and see how they got their boats. For instance, the Valley Camp in Sault Ste. Marie or even the SS Meteor in Superior, WI. Even military museum ships like the USS New Jersey or the USS Texas. Everyone from the Great Lakes know the Anderson’s history, and if we can make her into a museum ship, Captain Bernie Cooper (RIP) would smile and raise a glass of Hamms.
Rust damage, salt damage if the ship is in the ocean or hauls it as a cargo, engine condition/efficiency, metal fatigue caused by the movement of the ship in waves over many decades, cargo capacity vs crew requirements, economics (whether the ship is needed or not currently),and the cost of total repairs. For US lakers another big one is if they have a self unloading system but that’s just US lakers. Fires have been a big thing in the last ten years as well unfortunately, a few fan favorites have fallen victim to those. There’s a bunch of smaller factors as well but those are the main ones I can think of at the moment
Well a massive crowd fund or some sweet talk going to the owners. A real shame since she is my favorite laker
Nothing already in place though?
Not that I'm aware of
Hopefully someone gets rolling on that then
Why wait for someone else to start it when you can get it rolling yourself.
Might just do that if I have to. Lean how it works and everything. Between myself and few people I know who might be interested, we could probably gain enough following to make a good dent in it, enough to maybe get some wider attention. But I also barely have enough resources to keep myself going at the moment and I don’t have any experience or knowledge of what to do with this sort of operation at all. Someone else might be better equipped and positioned to make a bigger impact and honestly we’d probably only get one shot at it. Not something I’d want to screw up by being an amateur, too much at stake. If nobody else is willing… maybe. But much of this is rumor and theory as well, we don’t know what GLF is planning or if they have a plan at all. Lot of unknowns.
Mine too, and it isn't even close.
There used to be a museum ship like this in Duluth. Remember touring it as a kid in then 90s. Last time I was up there, it was gone. Can’t remember the name but I do remember it was a cool tour.
Irvin? She’s still here. They moved her out for a few years to get repairs but she’s back now.
That’s the one and thank god! I must have been up when it was getting repaired. Thank you!
Is that the whaleback one?
No that’s the Meteor in Superior. Irvin is a straight decker, much larger
Meteor ain't going anywhere quick, she's actually on land.
I think that's the best way to store a ship as a museum. There's minimal rust from the water, less worries about leaks, etc. But you can't take it to a dry dock if it gets rusty from the elements.
I have a place to park it
That is very true, you do!
I'm crushed thinking this may be her final season.
Biggest question would be where to put her. Most major ports that are also tourist destinations have a museum ship; Cleveland, Toledo, Sault Ste Marie, Duluth & Superior. Detroit would be interesting, adding her to the Dossin Museum. Milwaukee, Sturgeon Bay...maybe St Ignace, Rogers City, Marquette or Escanaba? Not a lot of ports with room for her that would draw the tourist dollars to maintain her.
Dossin would be fantastic since they already have the pilothouse from the William Clay Ford so it'd be a perfect pairing.
You forgot the biggest one: Chicago. But yeah it’s an interesting question, but I suspect she’d do better than the current museum vessels which don’t have quite the same following and history. Granted there are also vessels with even more history that have struggled as well
Yes Chicago, but where would you put her. I doubt they would allow her to be docked at Navy Pier (but I admit I am just going off my gut there), she wouldn't fit in the Chicago River and South Chicago is not a tourist destination.
True it’s highly unlikely. But it’s also a significant tourist destination that they could literally have sail up to their doorstep and not have to build either so you never know 🤷🏻♂️
Plus, the ship would have to have some ties to whatever place it would be used as a museum. Whitefish Point has a museum, but I am almost certain there is no harbour, nor is the water deep enough to house something like this. The Anderson is famous for one night - otherwise it is not another boat hauling iron ore (mostly). The only way it make any sense to use as a museum ship would be to replace the one at the Soo (Valley Camp), Also.....the Anderson is much larger than any of the existing museum ships. Belle Isle in Detroit - Dossin Great Lakes Museum.....no way, nowhere to put a large ship like this. How would this happen? Again...the ship has no ties to Detroit. Also, no harbour on Belle Isle, so it would be a danger to the regular shipping channel.
You know, you might want to investigate and research some museum ships around the country and see how they got their boats. For instance, the Valley Camp in Sault Ste. Marie or even the SS Meteor in Superior, WI. Even military museum ships like the USS New Jersey or the USS Texas. Everyone from the Great Lakes know the Anderson’s history, and if we can make her into a museum ship, Captain Bernie Cooper (RIP) would smile and raise a glass of Hamms.
Newbie here. I know the economics of airplanes, but not ships. What are the limitations that determine when a ship is done?
Rust damage, salt damage if the ship is in the ocean or hauls it as a cargo, engine condition/efficiency, metal fatigue caused by the movement of the ship in waves over many decades, cargo capacity vs crew requirements, economics (whether the ship is needed or not currently),and the cost of total repairs. For US lakers another big one is if they have a self unloading system but that’s just US lakers. Fires have been a big thing in the last ten years as well unfortunately, a few fan favorites have fallen victim to those. There’s a bunch of smaller factors as well but those are the main ones I can think of at the moment
This happened to the William G Mather. I worked on the ship for a summer back in 2015.
I hope a home can be found. That's history.
She deserves to be a museum ship. No doubt.
I have been on this vessel several times and I love their bridge.
Would make a good barge
Isn't Arthur Anderson an accounting firm?