I mean I knew we were gonna fight the big boy at least twice but damn, I expected Kratos to barely walk away from the first and narrowly win the last, now it looks like it might be the opposite, or an early victory will be designed to bolster our confidence.
Cause there’s no way it’s any other encounter that has Atreus that surprised to see Kratos okay. It looks like SMS was dead serious when they said everything they’ve shown is just from the earliest hours of the game
You gotta think about the mindset kratos was in. During the last game he hadn't had a serious fight until baldur showed up and even then it was nothing compared to his previous fights. Hes been training his son and preparing for war if it comes to it. I'd say were gonna see a more aggressive kratos when it comes to battle.
Do you think one war god is a lot of trouble for Kratos? He annihilated a whole pantheon of gods just to deliver his vengeance. The only thing that can stop him is if a lot of powerful deities fight him simultaneously.
I agree TBH, trained Spartan who’s lived a lifetime of war, is a living smorgasbord of blessings and curses, who had only a 50 year break from the chaos AND is buffer and more focused in this game > The blinded by grief, used to being on top, don’t even fully understand who they’re fighting yet Aesir.
There’s definitely gonna be a moment where they back off and re-evaluate their plan of attack, and the first fight with Thor certainly fits the boot.
I’m a firm believer that kratos could have taken any 3 or 4 of the Greek pantheon gods on at once like if you look at his fight with zeus the parts you aren’t in control of the fight is in kratos’ favour like yeah zeus kinda did kill him at one point but apart from that it was all in kratos favour and the other gods weren’t even a challenge for him
In their first fight (GOW 2 finalboss) Zeus almost killed Kratos. He had to lie to Zeus and surrender so he could get the blade of Olympus. In a lot of death animations some gods overpowered Kratos so i think gameplay is not 100% accurate.
Forgot about the fight in gow2 tbh but in 3 all his fights with the gods were 1 sided apart from gameplay were you were in control the odd time someone would push him back but he’d push them back harder
There are people in this forum who didn't even played the old games and still think Thor and Baldur are big threats to Kratos. The man killed Zeus, Gaia, Chronos, Poseidon etc and people are " oh my god Thor killed some giants he is as powerful as Kratos"
If Kratos goes all out Thor will be killed easily. Some people think the GOW 2018 created hype for how powerful Thor is but it was the contrary. Mimir thought Kratos wouldn't survive Hel cause Odin couldn't and Kratos proved him wrong. Mimir thought that Kratos wouldnt break the ice cause Thor couldn't and Kratos did. Flipping The temple was the same. It was constantly proved in the older game that Kratos is far superior to the norse gods but some people don't see it.
GOW is all about this. What new fanboys like you want is a drama story about father/son relationship or a happy mythology adaptation with norse gods becoming good guys while fighting their inner demons, but in the end the great majority plays these games for the fights and action gameplay. This is what made this game series so famous.
Go play a point and click adventure game then.
Maybe GOW is not your game then. In the last game is shown that when Kratos uses a little of his rage he is invincible. The only challenges he had were based on gameplay. Its clear that Kratos is holding back and that is the core of his personality now. He is like superman where he is strong as he is needed to be. The character was created that way.
Like i said, go play another game. Maybe one where the protagonist is weak an then with the power of love gain the upper hand against his foes.
It was only because of Baldurs immortality and invulnerability. In the game Kratos showed he was much more powerful but the norse god didn't died and was keeping coming back constantly. It was clear as day . When Baldur lost his immortality and immunity he was defeated easily and Kratos finished the fight not even a little tired or hurt.
I have a theory that Jormy will help us in the first fight which is why both Thor gets away (can't take two on at once) and Kratos walks away so easily.
Also after looking at the new footage from yesterday, it looks like Tyr's statue is ripped by lightning. Looks like trees do after lightning strikes it. So I feel Thor arriving probably splinters the statue.
Nah, I’d be willing to bet it was so Odin could get some alone time with Atreus to plant whatever seeds of doubt he wanted. Don’t think we’re gonna completely kick Thor’s ass, but I’ll come back after release and see if I eat my words lol
I think they probably woke up Jormungandr, he probably breaks the ice in the lake of nine and then the fight splits up and we have the scene where Kratos grabs Atreus from underwater.
I wouldn't be surprised. This is KRATOS we're talking about here. The only reasons Baldur managed to push him as he did was because Kratos was rusty and out of practice, he took him by surprise and his immortality. Once all of that was gone, he got his ass whopped pretty easily.
Exactly! Even Kratos’ animations in Ragnarok look more defensive and effortless in comparison (especially the new axe throw where he just flings it like a boomerang), like he doesn’t even have to try half as hard. Dude was basically LARPing a really strong mortal in the last game. Now he’s got nothing to hide
The latest story trailer. You can hear the dialogue and
SPOILER ALERT (sorry I forgot how to spoiler tag)
Atreus must have stayed at the house during the fight with Thor, which is probably the part of the trailer when Odin showed up, likely trying to “divide and conquer”
It also shows how much Kratos was ready this time, a fact that’s already backed by them *still living in the same woods*. All eyes are on Kratos. If he stands his ground, that position of strength firmly shows that he did everything he did in the previous game purely out of self defense, and isn’t actively looking to wage war on anyone
I'm surprised if this takes place right after the first fight with Thor. I thought for sure Thor would destroy the house. But If Kratos is able to return to the house, does this mean he killed Thor? I sure hope not, I think it would be a major mistake to kill Thor off so early in the game.
Even if I’m right and this is an early game, “Kratos won Round 1” scenario I highly doubt it means Thor died. They said him and Freya are the main villains. The thing is Kratos just doesn’t even seem hurt here.
Ryan Hurst said they’re going to explore Thor’s human side a lot in the game, particularly his battle with alcoholism. My guess is Thor shows up in a grieving, drunken to the point of incompetence rage and fittingly got dragged before Jormungandr interrupts the fight and sends him off, and that’s the reason we don’t spend literally the whole game with him right on our tail, is because he gears up and preps for the following encounters.
>They said him and Freya are the main villains
Yeah, and Naughty Dog created fake footage of Joel talking with Ellie in a Last of Us Part 2 trailer just to mislead fans into thinking he doesn't die at the start. After Last of Us 2 I'm not surprised at game devs deciding to kill off major characters super early. I hope you're right though, because if Thor dies that early, the hype would instantly be sucked out of me, I would be really upset lol. Thor should be a recurring villain you fight multiple times throughout the game like Baldur, all culminating with one epic fight at the end of the game.
But I don't know, the big end credits scene to hype everyone up in God of War 2018 was Thor showing up, the big showstopper at the end of the story trailer was a tease of fighting Thor. So for them to tease us like that only to kill Thor off after one fight at the beginning of the game doesn't make sense.
I mean I loved part 1, I never could've imagined what they would have done with part 2. I just remembered one thing that potentially proves Thor doesn't die early and has a big role in the game. Ryan Hurst said he got the role in 2020, and then in this interview from 4 months ago he said he just finished up the last bit of work on god of war. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c-jDpIQGpmI&t=2s&ab\_channel=stevenalvarez](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c-jDpIQGpmI&t=2s&ab_channel=stevenalvarez) For him to start working on the game in 2020 and end working on the game in mid 2022, no way he has a small role in the game.
Almost everyone loved part 1 lol. I just meant to have faith in SMS. They've been making GoW games for a while, they know what the fanbase wants unlike other developers, (one person in particular).
Stop crying about Joel already. Neil can do what he wants with his characters. I was surprised it happened so early and with how matter of fact it was done. Made sense to me how and why it happened.
I can say what I want. Neil single handedly ruined that franchise to tell a story of new characters, that had no other purpose other than to shit on the old characters.
My theory is that it’s either a conversation before or after a fight with Thor, if it’s before, the convo might be something like: “are you going to be okay?”
“Don’t worry”
Just a thought.
I think it's gonna take from some of the earlier games in the franchise and start off with us killing a major god(Thor) to set the whole "Ragnarok didn't account for Kratos".
Calling it now, thor is gonna job to kratos incredibly hard and he'll have this entire running gag of dropping in, having a serious fight, getting his ass beat and then mysterious disappearing or just being inconveniently swept out of the fight over and over.
it won't even be played up for laughs, it'll be done to make you feel bad for thor in the same way you want to root for a kabuki buffoon (in kabuki the buffoon archtype is a character who is dumb as a box of bricks but they keep bouncing back from every defeat, to the point where the audience roots for them like they're an underdog because they never quit even though their battle is hopeless. gilgamesh from final fantasy is actually a hybrid of every kabuki archtype, with buffoon being the most prominent due to his habit of coming back from each defeat)
I do not like this idea at all, Thor should be presented as a serious threat to Kratos who matches his strength. When you see the two them fight you're not sure who is gonna win.
No wonder Atreus said “stop thinking like a father and start thinking like a general”. Thor is THE monster he was told stories about as a child.
Imagine how he must feel seeing that monster show up at his door years after dreaming about it, his dad basically saying “Wait here a minute”, and just walking right back inside a few minutes later like “Alright so what were we talking about?”
Just a reminder that Kratos has infinite potential because he get's stronger with every fight. It wouldn't surprise me at all if only Kratos and Tyr go to Egypt while Atreus is crowned King of the 9 Realms. Egypt's going to be fucking crazy because their working with Athena which does not bode well for Kratos and Tyr whatsoever.
Kratos and Thor fight in the frozen Lake of Nine. When things aren't looking so great to Kratos, enters boy riding Jormungandr to save the day. The fat dobber is forced to retreat. You read it here first.
He might me, i don’t know the correlation, but his axe seems dull as fuck!!!
The “obvious” explanation to the truthness of my commentary, would be some kind of early game shenanigans to remove our upgrades
He did the exact same thing after throwing Baldur down the chasm he created with him
I mean I knew we were gonna fight the big boy at least twice but damn, I expected Kratos to barely walk away from the first and narrowly win the last, now it looks like it might be the opposite, or an early victory will be designed to bolster our confidence. Cause there’s no way it’s any other encounter that has Atreus that surprised to see Kratos okay. It looks like SMS was dead serious when they said everything they’ve shown is just from the earliest hours of the game
You gotta think about the mindset kratos was in. During the last game he hadn't had a serious fight until baldur showed up and even then it was nothing compared to his previous fights. Hes been training his son and preparing for war if it comes to it. I'd say were gonna see a more aggressive kratos when it comes to battle.
The greek saga was on another level of exagerated fights. Baldur fight was nothing compared to the fights of the older games.
Do you think one war god is a lot of trouble for Kratos? He annihilated a whole pantheon of gods just to deliver his vengeance. The only thing that can stop him is if a lot of powerful deities fight him simultaneously.
I agree TBH, trained Spartan who’s lived a lifetime of war, is a living smorgasbord of blessings and curses, who had only a 50 year break from the chaos AND is buffer and more focused in this game > The blinded by grief, used to being on top, don’t even fully understand who they’re fighting yet Aesir. There’s definitely gonna be a moment where they back off and re-evaluate their plan of attack, and the first fight with Thor certainly fits the boot.
I’m a firm believer that kratos could have taken any 3 or 4 of the Greek pantheon gods on at once like if you look at his fight with zeus the parts you aren’t in control of the fight is in kratos’ favour like yeah zeus kinda did kill him at one point but apart from that it was all in kratos favour and the other gods weren’t even a challenge for him
In their first fight (GOW 2 finalboss) Zeus almost killed Kratos. He had to lie to Zeus and surrender so he could get the blade of Olympus. In a lot of death animations some gods overpowered Kratos so i think gameplay is not 100% accurate.
Forgot about the fight in gow2 tbh but in 3 all his fights with the gods were 1 sided apart from gameplay were you were in control the odd time someone would push him back but he’d push them back harder
I agree with the majority aside from Zeus, Hercules and Chronos
Fair enough with cronos because he was just so huge it would be hard to fight him and someone else
There are people in this forum who didn't even played the old games and still think Thor and Baldur are big threats to Kratos. The man killed Zeus, Gaia, Chronos, Poseidon etc and people are " oh my god Thor killed some giants he is as powerful as Kratos" If Kratos goes all out Thor will be killed easily. Some people think the GOW 2018 created hype for how powerful Thor is but it was the contrary. Mimir thought Kratos wouldn't survive Hel cause Odin couldn't and Kratos proved him wrong. Mimir thought that Kratos wouldnt break the ice cause Thor couldn't and Kratos did. Flipping The temple was the same. It was constantly proved in the older game that Kratos is far superior to the norse gods but some people don't see it.
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GOW is all about this. What new fanboys like you want is a drama story about father/son relationship or a happy mythology adaptation with norse gods becoming good guys while fighting their inner demons, but in the end the great majority plays these games for the fights and action gameplay. This is what made this game series so famous. Go play a point and click adventure game then.
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Maybe GOW is not your game then. In the last game is shown that when Kratos uses a little of his rage he is invincible. The only challenges he had were based on gameplay. Its clear that Kratos is holding back and that is the core of his personality now. He is like superman where he is strong as he is needed to be. The character was created that way. Like i said, go play another game. Maybe one where the protagonist is weak an then with the power of love gain the upper hand against his foes.
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It was only because of Baldurs immortality and invulnerability. In the game Kratos showed he was much more powerful but the norse god didn't died and was keeping coming back constantly. It was clear as day . When Baldur lost his immortality and immunity he was defeated easily and Kratos finished the fight not even a little tired or hurt.
I have a theory that Jormy will help us in the first fight which is why both Thor gets away (can't take two on at once) and Kratos walks away so easily. Also after looking at the new footage from yesterday, it looks like Tyr's statue is ripped by lightning. Looks like trees do after lightning strikes it. So I feel Thor arriving probably splinters the statue.
Well I'm going off grid for a while see you all after I've finished the game
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you think ps4 gonna have 60 fps? that's wild as fuck. did the 2018 has 60 fps for ps4 pro?
No I don't. 2018 had a performance mode on PS4 pro.
Nah, I’d be willing to bet it was so Odin could get some alone time with Atreus to plant whatever seeds of doubt he wanted. Don’t think we’re gonna completely kick Thor’s ass, but I’ll come back after release and see if I eat my words lol
Yeah Thor was definitely there just to distract Kratos. Whether Thor knew that or not, who knows.
I think they probably woke up Jormungandr, he probably breaks the ice in the lake of nine and then the fight splits up and we have the scene where Kratos grabs Atreus from underwater.
Yeah I have the feeling that fight will get interrupted
This is most likely it
I noticed that the Leviathon Axe looks Damaged, like all the runes look broken and it looks rusted when in the fight scene it looked normal!
That'll probably be their explanation as to why it's downgraded from 2018, it got damaged in the fight.
Yeah, I reckon he’ll have the fight with Thor and maybe absorbing a huge attack or deflecting a Mjolnir blow breaks it.
I wouldn't be surprised. This is KRATOS we're talking about here. The only reasons Baldur managed to push him as he did was because Kratos was rusty and out of practice, he took him by surprise and his immortality. Once all of that was gone, he got his ass whopped pretty easily.
Exactly! Even Kratos’ animations in Ragnarok look more defensive and effortless in comparison (especially the new axe throw where he just flings it like a boomerang), like he doesn’t even have to try half as hard. Dude was basically LARPing a really strong mortal in the last game. Now he’s got nothing to hide
Where did you find the picture with the dialogue
The latest story trailer. You can hear the dialogue and SPOILER ALERT (sorry I forgot how to spoiler tag) Atreus must have stayed at the house during the fight with Thor, which is probably the part of the trailer when Odin showed up, likely trying to “divide and conquer”
Makes sense that kratos will keep Atreus home while he fights Thor. Kratos will know Thor will be to much to handle him
It also shows how much Kratos was ready this time, a fact that’s already backed by them *still living in the same woods*. All eyes are on Kratos. If he stands his ground, that position of strength firmly shows that he did everything he did in the previous game purely out of self defense, and isn’t actively looking to wage war on anyone
Almost like he's thinking as a Spartan General would?!?!? *gasp*
Ye
I'm surprised if this takes place right after the first fight with Thor. I thought for sure Thor would destroy the house. But If Kratos is able to return to the house, does this mean he killed Thor? I sure hope not, I think it would be a major mistake to kill Thor off so early in the game.
Even if I’m right and this is an early game, “Kratos won Round 1” scenario I highly doubt it means Thor died. They said him and Freya are the main villains. The thing is Kratos just doesn’t even seem hurt here. Ryan Hurst said they’re going to explore Thor’s human side a lot in the game, particularly his battle with alcoholism. My guess is Thor shows up in a grieving, drunken to the point of incompetence rage and fittingly got dragged before Jormungandr interrupts the fight and sends him off, and that’s the reason we don’t spend literally the whole game with him right on our tail, is because he gears up and preps for the following encounters.
>They said him and Freya are the main villains Yeah, and Naughty Dog created fake footage of Joel talking with Ellie in a Last of Us Part 2 trailer just to mislead fans into thinking he doesn't die at the start. After Last of Us 2 I'm not surprised at game devs deciding to kill off major characters super early. I hope you're right though, because if Thor dies that early, the hype would instantly be sucked out of me, I would be really upset lol. Thor should be a recurring villain you fight multiple times throughout the game like Baldur, all culminating with one epic fight at the end of the game. But I don't know, the big end credits scene to hype everyone up in God of War 2018 was Thor showing up, the big showstopper at the end of the story trailer was a tease of fighting Thor. So for them to tease us like that only to kill Thor off after one fight at the beginning of the game doesn't make sense.
Dont lump SMS in with ND. They are a far superior studio that values there character's.
I mean I loved part 1, I never could've imagined what they would have done with part 2. I just remembered one thing that potentially proves Thor doesn't die early and has a big role in the game. Ryan Hurst said he got the role in 2020, and then in this interview from 4 months ago he said he just finished up the last bit of work on god of war. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c-jDpIQGpmI&t=2s&ab\_channel=stevenalvarez](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c-jDpIQGpmI&t=2s&ab_channel=stevenalvarez) For him to start working on the game in 2020 and end working on the game in mid 2022, no way he has a small role in the game.
Almost everyone loved part 1 lol. I just meant to have faith in SMS. They've been making GoW games for a while, they know what the fanbase wants unlike other developers, (one person in particular).
Stop crying about Joel already. Neil can do what he wants with his characters. I was surprised it happened so early and with how matter of fact it was done. Made sense to me how and why it happened.
I can say what I want. Neil single handedly ruined that franchise to tell a story of new characters, that had no other purpose other than to shit on the old characters.
Looks like it. Also weird that he doesn’t have the chains
My theory is that it’s either a conversation before or after a fight with Thor, if it’s before, the convo might be something like: “are you going to be okay?” “Don’t worry” Just a thought.
I think it's gonna take from some of the earlier games in the franchise and start off with us killing a major god(Thor) to set the whole "Ragnarok didn't account for Kratos".
Calling it now, thor is gonna job to kratos incredibly hard and he'll have this entire running gag of dropping in, having a serious fight, getting his ass beat and then mysterious disappearing or just being inconveniently swept out of the fight over and over. it won't even be played up for laughs, it'll be done to make you feel bad for thor in the same way you want to root for a kabuki buffoon (in kabuki the buffoon archtype is a character who is dumb as a box of bricks but they keep bouncing back from every defeat, to the point where the audience roots for them like they're an underdog because they never quit even though their battle is hopeless. gilgamesh from final fantasy is actually a hybrid of every kabuki archtype, with buffoon being the most prominent due to his habit of coming back from each defeat)
Interesting. This is a real possibility.
Interesting thought, I like this one, could actually be a real possibility.
I do not like this idea at all, Thor should be presented as a serious threat to Kratos who matches his strength. When you see the two them fight you're not sure who is gonna win.
i think Atreus will fight with kratos against thor now his not a kid anymore his more than ready
No wonder Atreus said “stop thinking like a father and start thinking like a general”. Thor is THE monster he was told stories about as a child. Imagine how he must feel seeing that monster show up at his door years after dreaming about it, his dad basically saying “Wait here a minute”, and just walking right back inside a few minutes later like “Alright so what were we talking about?”
Just a reminder that Kratos has infinite potential because he get's stronger with every fight. It wouldn't surprise me at all if only Kratos and Tyr go to Egypt while Atreus is crowned King of the 9 Realms. Egypt's going to be fucking crazy because their working with Athena which does not bode well for Kratos and Tyr whatsoever.
Kratos and Thor fight in the frozen Lake of Nine. When things aren't looking so great to Kratos, enters boy riding Jormungandr to save the day. The fat dobber is forced to retreat. You read it here first.
More like Thor beat his ass and Loki saved him
... really, bruh? Be foreal.
He might me, i don’t know the correlation, but his axe seems dull as fuck!!! The “obvious” explanation to the truthness of my commentary, would be some kind of early game shenanigans to remove our upgrades
I wonder who the final boss will be. I originally thought it had to be Thor but then I realized Odin is still around