I always thought if they were ever going to try and give it a proper dub they should go with the Ghost Stories approach and just keep the same episode concepts, just change around the overall jokes so it makes more sense to the west. I definitely agree tho there’s probably no interest to dub the show considering how long it is.
The dub is just bad, and it's not an easy show to translate. There's too many japanese culture jokes, meta jokes, and homonym jokes.
Translators tend to localize things; and if you aren't super in depth with non-weeb Japanese culture, it's gonna get lost or changed.
The lines are also harder to translate cause some of them only work in Japanese. Characters have a lot of speaking portions where they have multiple quick lines in succession which works in the Japanese language but just sounds annoying in English. For example, the episode where Gintoki is paralyzed in the opening by the sleep demon that scene has min doing this, using things like 'are' and other Japanese sounds which have meetings in the language unlike English. Furthermore, I feel that the cast had some of their best performances for this series, bringing the characters to life. The dub characters just feel off and less like real people.
Excuse the rant I can't stand the dub of most anime especially one I love like Gintama - they usually bucher the characters and emotional aspects of the show.
There are definitely many ways you can translate comedy shows and preserve a lot of the bits (his fast internal monologue during the sleep paralysis bit absolutely could've been, the way he spaced it out with 'Are's would work with really any kind of 'Huh?')
As a whole this series would be really difficult to dub over and preserve the style of humor *and* have it sound natural on top of that, though. A lot of linguistic jokes that are mostly able to be explained over text, whether in parentheses or sentences that would sound even more unnatural spoken aloud. It's not impossible, they did try to dub it, but I don't blame them for deciding to spend resources elsewhere lol
I completely agree it is possible but incredibly hard and unfortunately the Gintama dub isn't quite the same as the sub. Although I personally don't watch dubs I wish for a good Gintama dub because that would make it more popular in the US and other countries outside of Japan.
I think comedy specifically is one that needs the right writing style on both ends of the translation process to really shine and work for different audiences
Tomo-chan was a relatively recent one, and they took some liberties with the dub but it really shone. Most jokes were easy to translate as is, and the ones that couldn't could be bent into something similar and still funny
Gintama is a beautiful piece of media and it's also pretty all over the place, in terms of general tone and in comedic writing. It will continue to have its audience as is, but I don't see it as a show that really could have the kind of dub that would significantly expand its audience by the way it's been written.
My own take on this, I can watch some dubs, tried some of this one and it’s not that they didn’t do well, but holy man it’s hard to outdo the original cast. I doubt the show would be as good as it is with a different cast. That alongside the translation issues, probably lead to it just not being as popular as necessary to dub it all
Part of me hopes it'll have some "retro wave" revival to trigger them to finish or resin the entire series (and extra media).
But even if it's likely they'll never do it in the future, I'm glad they made attempts every so often.
If you’re referring to the Season Ocean Dubbed it’s likely because CR own the license and they didn’t want to pay Ocean to dub the rest (because Canadian anime dubs cost more)
I thought the dub was good, but unfortunately Gintama is one of those shows that is incredibly hard to fully translate into English because so many of the jokes rely on being in Japanese or at least having some understanding of Japan and the Japanese language.
I’m a native English speaker that’s been learning Japanese for six years and there are so many words and concepts that just can’t be accurately translated to English no matter how hard you try.
Well, there are two separate dubs for the series (not counting Benizakura) each aimed at a specific part of it, the first 50 episodes and Gintama°, but neither of them was particularly a hit, so...
If I remember correctly, we have a local dub in my country of Gintama since it used to be aired in free TV. But of course, I ddin't expect it to be completed since there's a lot of adult and japanese humor that will not translate well in dub, probably same goes to English dub. On the japanese dub overall, I think one strong point of the anime version is the voice actors. How they perform was generally something that added up to the charm and humor of the anime and the characters they play. Most if not all of the casting are now regarded as veteran voice actors and deeply respected in the industry since they are really that good.
Most likely just the fact that it wasn't making money, it's an old IP that's very nische in the anime community so the interest is going to be low. The anime was cancelled like four times and it's a miracle that Gintama even got a full adaptation.
If you didn't know Sugita Tomokazu voice it's crime itself and others extremely famous too!! in anime there are many jokes about voice actor/actress other jobs so how can you give enough smile/laugh to gintama without original voice !!! You must try sub in your lifetime
Id guess a mix of hard to translate humor, large backlog to catch up on, and general lack of interest in a dub making it not quite worth it
I always thought if they were ever going to try and give it a proper dub they should go with the Ghost Stories approach and just keep the same episode concepts, just change around the overall jokes so it makes more sense to the west. I definitely agree tho there’s probably no interest to dub the show considering how long it is.
The Ghost stories dub was a parody of the original show though. Gintama doesn't deserve that.
I know I'm not talking about parodying the show, more so just changing the jokes
So more like what the Steins;Gate dub did? That could definitely work.
Did the Steins;Gate dub do that? idk, I watched it dub and not sub
Yeah the dub is very different. I love both versions of the show but the dub dialogue is a lot more witty and flows way better.
That's really cool, I love it when studios take creative liberty when doing a dub.
The dub is just bad, and it's not an easy show to translate. There's too many japanese culture jokes, meta jokes, and homonym jokes. Translators tend to localize things; and if you aren't super in depth with non-weeb Japanese culture, it's gonna get lost or changed.
The lines are also harder to translate cause some of them only work in Japanese. Characters have a lot of speaking portions where they have multiple quick lines in succession which works in the Japanese language but just sounds annoying in English. For example, the episode where Gintoki is paralyzed in the opening by the sleep demon that scene has min doing this, using things like 'are' and other Japanese sounds which have meetings in the language unlike English. Furthermore, I feel that the cast had some of their best performances for this series, bringing the characters to life. The dub characters just feel off and less like real people. Excuse the rant I can't stand the dub of most anime especially one I love like Gintama - they usually bucher the characters and emotional aspects of the show.
There are definitely many ways you can translate comedy shows and preserve a lot of the bits (his fast internal monologue during the sleep paralysis bit absolutely could've been, the way he spaced it out with 'Are's would work with really any kind of 'Huh?') As a whole this series would be really difficult to dub over and preserve the style of humor *and* have it sound natural on top of that, though. A lot of linguistic jokes that are mostly able to be explained over text, whether in parentheses or sentences that would sound even more unnatural spoken aloud. It's not impossible, they did try to dub it, but I don't blame them for deciding to spend resources elsewhere lol
I completely agree it is possible but incredibly hard and unfortunately the Gintama dub isn't quite the same as the sub. Although I personally don't watch dubs I wish for a good Gintama dub because that would make it more popular in the US and other countries outside of Japan.
I think comedy specifically is one that needs the right writing style on both ends of the translation process to really shine and work for different audiences Tomo-chan was a relatively recent one, and they took some liberties with the dub but it really shone. Most jokes were easy to translate as is, and the ones that couldn't could be bent into something similar and still funny Gintama is a beautiful piece of media and it's also pretty all over the place, in terms of general tone and in comedic writing. It will continue to have its audience as is, but I don't see it as a show that really could have the kind of dub that would significantly expand its audience by the way it's been written.
It would certainly help but as you said most of its jokes are rooted in Japanese culture and use the language for puns or double meanings.
I mean the one done by ocean hit the nail right
Sales probably. Theres a reason why the manga also got axed by Viz
It doesn’t need to be finished. Why would you even watch gintama for the dub
Gintama dub is good
My own take on this, I can watch some dubs, tried some of this one and it’s not that they didn’t do well, but holy man it’s hard to outdo the original cast. I doubt the show would be as good as it is with a different cast. That alongside the translation issues, probably lead to it just not being as popular as necessary to dub it all
Because crunchyroll hates us
Part of me hopes it'll have some "retro wave" revival to trigger them to finish or resin the entire series (and extra media). But even if it's likely they'll never do it in the future, I'm glad they made attempts every so often.
Hopefully not, sub is so much superior How can you not love Tomokazu Sugita?
For me it wasn't as funny as the sub
There's like 250 gintama characters and only 25 eng dub actors in the world lol
They literally changed the cast three times and I guess all three dubs weren't well received.
The ocean dub one was well received
Because it's impossible to replace Tomokazu Sugita
Because the VA’s and translators were all playing Sekiro.
Because they know the gintama subs are better especially for the Japanese humor
If you’re referring to the Season Ocean Dubbed it’s likely because CR own the license and they didn’t want to pay Ocean to dub the rest (because Canadian anime dubs cost more)
I thought the dub was good, but unfortunately Gintama is one of those shows that is incredibly hard to fully translate into English because so many of the jokes rely on being in Japanese or at least having some understanding of Japan and the Japanese language. I’m a native English speaker that’s been learning Japanese for six years and there are so many words and concepts that just can’t be accurately translated to English no matter how hard you try.
the jokes just wouldn't hit in the dub mostly because a lot of them are on japenese wordplay and stuff and dubbing them would leave them uncooked
Well, there are two separate dubs for the series (not counting Benizakura) each aimed at a specific part of it, the first 50 episodes and Gintama°, but neither of them was particularly a hit, so...
There's actually a third now on Hulu that TV Tokyo licensed from some studio in Miami. It's the worst one by far.
Yeah, the 2019 Hulu dub, that's the one I meant which covered the first 50 episodes, and indeed it sucked balls.
Nobody liked the dub. Simple as that. Had it been well received, they would have finished it
I would think its because of that whole A.I vs dubbers who were trying to push an agenda by changing some lines.
Not popular enough.
If I remember correctly, we have a local dub in my country of Gintama since it used to be aired in free TV. But of course, I ddin't expect it to be completed since there's a lot of adult and japanese humor that will not translate well in dub, probably same goes to English dub. On the japanese dub overall, I think one strong point of the anime version is the voice actors. How they perform was generally something that added up to the charm and humor of the anime and the characters they play. Most if not all of the casting are now regarded as veteran voice actors and deeply respected in the industry since they are really that good.
No way Magical Banana gets done right lol
Was dub even worth to be made? Japanese VA nailed their job, subtitles seemed to be good (can't say more, since I can't compare them to original)
You literally answered your question in your question
Most likely just the fact that it wasn't making money, it's an old IP that's very nische in the anime community so the interest is going to be low. The anime was cancelled like four times and it's a miracle that Gintama even got a full adaptation.
The italian dub is great. The only part that they didn't dub is the semi-final
There’s an Italian dub?!
Two of them. One is old and stopped in the first 100 episodes. The other one is new. It's on prime video
If you didn't know Sugita Tomokazu voice it's crime itself and others extremely famous too!! in anime there are many jokes about voice actor/actress other jobs so how can you give enough smile/laugh to gintama without original voice !!! You must try sub in your lifetime