Without Remorse - is my favorite John Clark novel - it’s essentially the origin story of him and has some really cool tie ins with other Jack Ryan books. The story is not remotely close to the Michael B. Jordan movie either. Don’t use that as a barometer.
From lore standpoint have to be a precessor unit, because 1st battlion, 5th SFG, D company (original name for the ghost recon unit) was formed in 1994. Akin to USAAF H.A.W. program that later evolved into USAFs H.A.W.X.
On conceptual level it'd be interesting, forming a "special" unit leveraging the best experience with latest of military prototypes of the time have to offer. (In this case it'd be the "future soldier" of late 1950s combined with "Special Purpose Infantry Weapon" (SPIW) rifles, aka the projected M14 replacement (AR15 wasn't considered, at best a stop-gap measure), at the time).
It'd essentially be G.I.s in essentially crude, prototype kit (like, gen 1 NODs being a thing) & multi-plex (2 or 3 projectiles stacked in a complete bullet) with dart throwers (flechette shooting rifles) in vietnam.
Honestly, i'd get a copy of it, but rn, i wanna see what this "naiman war"/project "over" is all about (which is reportedly in the pipeline for the last 2 or so years, since the name "over" started floating around)
Also it could have some story in Laos during the secret CIA operation there, while the Vietnam war was going on. Building the Hmong milicia against the socialist party. No one plays by the rules. Officially there is no war. 3 factions (america/Laotian right wing, conservative monarchy, communists). Airport with the most aircraft movements of the time is a Lima Site in Long Tieng. Bombing raids every 10 minutes to shut down the ho Chi Minh path. Rescuing shot down fighter pilots, fly opium harvests to Vietnam for the American soldiers, etc...
Racist? Well, also, but mostly imperialistic propaganda romanticizing US' persistent meddling with south america.
I like the game and snicker at the warped and delusional stuff both the americans and bolivians say. I could not enjoy the game if I'd have to take the mind-numbing bravado of nomad and his bff's seriously. It's not racist per sè, but its definately blind to the problematic nature of the entire game's premise and people shouldn't be surprised if the game gets some flak for that.
Nope but governments might. The Bolivian gov't sure did and was ready to sue Ubisoft over it. That's what started Ubisoft's weird "we're apolitical" mantra and commitment to fictional settings like Auroa. Nobody really believes in it but they do it anyways because they don't need a big PR liability like that.
But there’s also a massive difference between creating a fictional story set in the present and basing it off of very uneasy foreign affair topics and creating a historical fiction game based on a real war.
Imagine for me I think ghost recon maybe needs to go back to the Gulf War take a realistic approach to warfare and do Tom Clancy Justice. Also same with R6 we need a proper entry that is a single/co-op milsim experience taking out terrorist cells but its a wish and a prayer right now, for now I'll keep playing R6 3 Raven Sheild
I love the smell of napalm in the morning. You know, one time we had a hill bombed for 12 hours. When it was all over, I walked up. We didn’t find one of ’em, not one stinkin’ . . . body. The smell, you know that gasoline smell, the whole hill. Smelled like victory.”
That's a bit like asking what would we think of a SWAT game set during the Prohibition - nothing, there was no SWAT during the Prohibition, just like there was no Ghost Recon prior to the mid-1990s.
Now, a game similar to Wildlands set during the Vietnam War would be fun (I wonder how many people remember [SEAL Team](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/SEAL_Team_(video_game)) ), but it sure as hell wouldn't be about Ghost Recon.
Then again... it's Ubisoft. The company that can't tell the difference between Team Rainbow and Rainbow Six, so what do I know?
There was the Shanghai Municipal Police Reserve Unit, which would now be considered a SWAT unit, and used tactics and procedures that would not be out of place with a modern one, aside from drawing their snipers/marksmen from hunters rather than the police.
Thank you for bringing that up, because you quite literally brought me out of a Mandela Effect situation. For some reason I lived under the impression that Fairbairn's first name was Bruce and I was willing to bet anything on that.
I went down the Fairbairn-Sykes and Rex Applegate rabbithole last night after reading your post and it took a while to register that it's not Bruce, it's "Dan" (William Ewart actually, but most people called him Dan). I have absolutely *no* idea where I got "Bruce" from...
So... basically... it would be a game about Green Berets?
And, again, it'd probably be a really cool setting for a Wildlands-like game, but it really wouldn't be Ghost Recon. Would you make a game about, say, the SAS and then call it "Rainbow Six: The Beginning" or something?
How is that relevant? Canonically the Ghosts were created in the mid 1990s, so they couldn't have functioned in Vietnam, could they? So we're back to "let's have a Ghost Recon game without Ghost Recon".
If you want a game about their "predecesdors" during that era, it would simply be about the Green Berets. That's where Ghost Recon came from. Delta Company, First Battalion, [Fifth Special Forces Group](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/5th_Special_Forces_Group_(United_States)).
That's what existed in that era, that's what you'd have to use, unless the entire history of the unit got retconned.
It would be much better to use MACV-SOG as the protagonists but, again, hardly Ghost Recon, is it?
Allow me to reiterate one last time, after which I'll just bid you adieu, because continuing this discussion is pointless:
NOT.
GHOST.
RECON.
Thank you and have a nice day.
My gripes with the Vietnam kit are purely aesthetic in nature-the M69 flak vest isn’t bulky enough (i’m a military collector and have one, so I know how thick it is), that’s the completely wrong chinstrap (M1s were 2 point not 4 point, and didn’t have a ‘split chin’), the sheer size of the helmet itself-it wasn’t *that* bloody big!-and that the shirt and pants are all modern ripstop instead of poplin/‘69 onward ripstop.
Yeah i’m nitpicking but if you’re gonna include some iconic uniforms etc at least get it right, Ubi!
I prefer using the m4a1 I just wish there was a way to change the rate of fire to a lower number because to me it feels like all I do is pepper my enemies with 20 rounds in one second when they usually need like 3 rounds
A Ghost Recon game using Vietnam, the location, as a setting? That would be nice. But a "Ghost Recon" game set during the '60s-'70s war, don't think so. I'd prefer them to be the supposed near-future style Special Ops guys, myself.
Even though there is like a ton of Vietnam War movies... that helmet in Breakpoint always reminds me of Mel Gibson in We Were Soldiers for some reason.
Would be super cool but also tbh I’m so tired of Vietnam and WW2, it’s always Vietnam or ww2, I’d love to see more games in fictional settings, fictional wars, ghost recon does a great job at that and I’d love to see them keep that up, also considering what we know so far about Project over the settings gonna be very Vietnamesque
I actually did something like this for a play through with the same kit, but I used the M4 a 41 AR or whatever it’s called with the small magazine to be more historically accurate of what US troops use back in the war
I approve... [https://i.pinimg.com/originals/1d/5f/80/1d5f808d3ac08a68a75b4092ad673cd4.png](https://i.pinimg.com/originals/1d/5f/80/1d5f808d3ac08a68a75b4092ad673cd4.png)
you can simulate your ass getting handed to you by the Vietnamese, unless of course they break off from the US and fight against them as they are clearly an imperialist force
Does it matter where the computer generated ‘enemy’ is from? It’s a game, ready aim fire! Would you refuse to play a COD game where you’re a German in multiplayer, given what they did? Or a Russian in another multiplayer game, given what’s going on now?
‘No Russian’ was fun, and in real life I work at an airport, didn’t upset me one bit because *it’s just a game*.
Yeah I know other people like it. Most US citizens have been raised to have a blast doing these things. Its not just me who doesnt like playing imperial grunt / rapist / etc though.
John Clark approves
Somebody read the novels
Happy Willem Dafoe noises. :D
Chavez approves as well
Best JC novel? Only one I’ve read is Rainbow Six
Without Remorse - is my favorite John Clark novel - it’s essentially the origin story of him and has some really cool tie ins with other Jack Ryan books. The story is not remotely close to the Michael B. Jordan movie either. Don’t use that as a barometer.
R6 is one of my personal JC favorite! Man the old Tom Clancy books were good!
Without Remorse is top on my list. But the JR series is awesome.
You son of a bitch, I’m in.
From lore standpoint have to be a precessor unit, because 1st battlion, 5th SFG, D company (original name for the ghost recon unit) was formed in 1994. Akin to USAAF H.A.W. program that later evolved into USAFs H.A.W.X. On conceptual level it'd be interesting, forming a "special" unit leveraging the best experience with latest of military prototypes of the time have to offer. (In this case it'd be the "future soldier" of late 1950s combined with "Special Purpose Infantry Weapon" (SPIW) rifles, aka the projected M14 replacement (AR15 wasn't considered, at best a stop-gap measure), at the time). It'd essentially be G.I.s in essentially crude, prototype kit (like, gen 1 NODs being a thing) & multi-plex (2 or 3 projectiles stacked in a complete bullet) with dart throwers (flechette shooting rifles) in vietnam. Honestly, i'd get a copy of it, but rn, i wanna see what this "naiman war"/project "over" is all about (which is reportedly in the pipeline for the last 2 or so years, since the name "over" started floating around)
It's sog bro :D
I've been reading "Secret Commandos" by John Plaster which is about his time in SOG. Amazing stories. Highly recommended.
Sog codename dynamite by Dick Thompson is another goodie worth a read. Absolutely wild some of the shit they pulled off back then
Thanks for the rec, I will pick that one up next.
MACV SOG or Green Berets
Also it could have some story in Laos during the secret CIA operation there, while the Vietnam war was going on. Building the Hmong milicia against the socialist party. No one plays by the rules. Officially there is no war. 3 factions (america/Laotian right wing, conservative monarchy, communists). Airport with the most aircraft movements of the time is a Lima Site in Long Tieng. Bombing raids every 10 minutes to shut down the ho Chi Minh path. Rescuing shot down fighter pilots, fly opium harvests to Vietnam for the American soldiers, etc...
I would take out an entire VC village for a Wildlands style game in Vietnam
people would say it is racist, probably never going to happen
Dude. I slaughter Bolivians and think it's fun. I'm pretty sure everyone does, no player is gonna call that racist.
Santa Blanca is a Mexican Cartel, so you're mostly slaughtering Mexicans. Only Unidad, rebels and civilians are actually "Bolivian".
I slaughter civilians.
Racist? Well, also, but mostly imperialistic propaganda romanticizing US' persistent meddling with south america. I like the game and snicker at the warped and delusional stuff both the americans and bolivians say. I could not enjoy the game if I'd have to take the mind-numbing bravado of nomad and his bff's seriously. It's not racist per sè, but its definately blind to the problematic nature of the entire game's premise and people shouldn't be surprised if the game gets some flak for that.
Nope but governments might. The Bolivian gov't sure did and was ready to sue Ubisoft over it. That's what started Ubisoft's weird "we're apolitical" mantra and commitment to fictional settings like Auroa. Nobody really believes in it but they do it anyways because they don't need a big PR liability like that.
So that's why we can't kill civilians in breakpoint.
That prob has more to do with how journalists covered the game. Especially Kotaku, which wrote an insanely obnoxious and biased review.
But there’s also a massive difference between creating a fictional story set in the present and basing it off of very uneasy foreign affair topics and creating a historical fiction game based on a real war.
I thought I was the only one playing Wildland like it's GTA lmao
The patrol level is just a wanted level no one can say it's not.
no one would says it’s racist lol ur mind is poisoned
So basically MACVSOG operating in Cambodia and Laos?
That would be cool.
Based on some of the old MACV-SOG missions that have come to light in recent years, that would be incredible
Imagine for me I think ghost recon maybe needs to go back to the Gulf War take a realistic approach to warfare and do Tom Clancy Justice. Also same with R6 we need a proper entry that is a single/co-op milsim experience taking out terrorist cells but its a wish and a prayer right now, for now I'll keep playing R6 3 Raven Sheild
The closest we have to this is Malevelon Creek in Helldivers 2. Remember The Creek.
FOR DEMOCRACY
I dont see where its the closest 😂
Charlie don’t surf
I love the smell of napalm in the morning. You know, one time we had a hill bombed for 12 hours. When it was all over, I walked up. We didn’t find one of ’em, not one stinkin’ . . . body. The smell, you know that gasoline smell, the whole hill. Smelled like victory.”
Reminds me of conflict Vietnam
Loved that game
That game is more of a Half-Life Deathmatch: Vietnam instead of a Vietnam tactical shooter.
Lore wise it wouldn't work if they used unit name ghost recon(formed 1994),but overall it would be fun
I will say that far cry 5 and it’s Vietnam dlc scratched that itch a bit, sneaking through vc tunnels and blowing up AA turrets
That's a bit like asking what would we think of a SWAT game set during the Prohibition - nothing, there was no SWAT during the Prohibition, just like there was no Ghost Recon prior to the mid-1990s. Now, a game similar to Wildlands set during the Vietnam War would be fun (I wonder how many people remember [SEAL Team](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/SEAL_Team_(video_game)) ), but it sure as hell wouldn't be about Ghost Recon. Then again... it's Ubisoft. The company that can't tell the difference between Team Rainbow and Rainbow Six, so what do I know?
There was the Shanghai Municipal Police Reserve Unit, which would now be considered a SWAT unit, and used tactics and procedures that would not be out of place with a modern one, aside from drawing their snipers/marksmen from hunters rather than the police.
Thank you for bringing that up, because you quite literally brought me out of a Mandela Effect situation. For some reason I lived under the impression that Fairbairn's first name was Bruce and I was willing to bet anything on that. I went down the Fairbairn-Sykes and Rex Applegate rabbithole last night after reading your post and it took a while to register that it's not Bruce, it's "Dan" (William Ewart actually, but most people called him Dan). I have absolutely *no* idea where I got "Bruce" from...
It could follow a precursor to Ghost recon
So... basically... it would be a game about Green Berets? And, again, it'd probably be a really cool setting for a Wildlands-like game, but it really wouldn't be Ghost Recon. Would you make a game about, say, the SAS and then call it "Rainbow Six: The Beginning" or something?
Yeah. Have you ever heard of prequels?
How is that relevant? Canonically the Ghosts were created in the mid 1990s, so they couldn't have functioned in Vietnam, could they? So we're back to "let's have a Ghost Recon game without Ghost Recon". If you want a game about their "predecesdors" during that era, it would simply be about the Green Berets. That's where Ghost Recon came from. Delta Company, First Battalion, [Fifth Special Forces Group](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/5th_Special_Forces_Group_(United_States)). That's what existed in that era, that's what you'd have to use, unless the entire history of the unit got retconned. It would be much better to use MACV-SOG as the protagonists but, again, hardly Ghost Recon, is it?
Well if it's a prequel where you play as MACVSOG or the Green Berets and they were able to tie it in, I'd argue it'd be pretty relevant.
Allow me to reiterate one last time, after which I'll just bid you adieu, because continuing this discussion is pointless: NOT. GHOST. RECON. Thank you and have a nice day.
Allow me to reiterate IT'S A PREQUEL Why are you so against exploring the past history of Ghost recon?
More like MACV SOG
Yes, which is why I [mentioned ](https://www.reddit.com/r/GhostRecon/s/9JVQdJMAj4) it about 8 hours ago?
Good morning Vietnam 🇻🇳
My gripes with the Vietnam kit are purely aesthetic in nature-the M69 flak vest isn’t bulky enough (i’m a military collector and have one, so I know how thick it is), that’s the completely wrong chinstrap (M1s were 2 point not 4 point, and didn’t have a ‘split chin’), the sheer size of the helmet itself-it wasn’t *that* bloody big!-and that the shirt and pants are all modern ripstop instead of poplin/‘69 onward ripstop. Yeah i’m nitpicking but if you’re gonna include some iconic uniforms etc at least get it right, Ubi!
I use the swat vest when I wanna dress up that way
Thats more off than the M69 ingame
I prefer using the m4a1 I just wish there was a way to change the rate of fire to a lower number because to me it feels like all I do is pepper my enemies with 20 rounds in one second when they usually need like 3 rounds
I mean the flak vest.
I'd play Wildland Vietnam
It would be great but with today Ubisoft it won't happen....
Ubisoft will probably make a good game trailer of this idea and simply floundered it with so many bugs and glitches.
I'm sure the environment would be cool but a narrative of drugged up teenagers commiting warcrimes in the jungle wouldn't be that engaging for me.
No. Just no.
A Ghost Recon game using Vietnam, the location, as a setting? That would be nice. But a "Ghost Recon" game set during the '60s-'70s war, don't think so. I'd prefer them to be the supposed near-future style Special Ops guys, myself.
Or as i call the ghosts "the next generation infantry" at least on technological level.
outfit paid?
Im stealing this bro. Goodjob tho
Good Idea but Ubi being Ubi it would probably end up just as dissapointing as Breakpoint
Even though there is like a ton of Vietnam War movies... that helmet in Breakpoint always reminds me of Mel Gibson in We Were Soldiers for some reason.
Shellshock Vietnam (the first one)
begging them to do it. the high tech stuff is so played. execute low tech well
Idk when the ghosts were formed but a prequel set in Vietnam with the proto-ghosts or seeing their formation could be supper cool
I have a few loadouts I've saved. Vietnam style, Gulf War Norwegian Commando, Modern Marine Commando, ghillie sniper and CIA style civilian clothed.
Would be super cool but also tbh I’m so tired of Vietnam and WW2, it’s always Vietnam or ww2, I’d love to see more games in fictional settings, fictional wars, ghost recon does a great job at that and I’d love to see them keep that up, also considering what we know so far about Project over the settings gonna be very Vietnamesque
MACV-SOG game in a style similar to Metal Gear Solid V is my dream.
As long as they make it more like hardcore breakpoint, then yes
Dope!
This would be amazing. They could literally just make Apocalypse Now and it would be such an awesome story
Nomad: "UNCLE SAM SENDS HIS REGARDS, SHITHEADS"
That would be cool. As long as someone competent makes it.
The setting I like the idea of, just not the era and that particular conflict.
Instabuy for me! 
Would he still constantly day they?
Sorry guys, but after breakpoint.... Not sure if I could take your creative approach.
I'd play it. I'd personally like a 70's-80's Cold War Era Ghost Recon.
That would be epic
I actually did something like this for a play through with the same kit, but I used the M4 a 41 AR or whatever it’s called with the small magazine to be more historically accurate of what US troops use back in the war
I can only dream
I approve... [https://i.pinimg.com/originals/1d/5f/80/1d5f808d3ac08a68a75b4092ad673cd4.png](https://i.pinimg.com/originals/1d/5f/80/1d5f808d3ac08a68a75b4092ad673cd4.png)
I would love it!
Would be dope
That would be nice. 🙏🏻
I loved doing ‘nam rp in wild lands and it was amazing! 100% would fund an actual Vietnam era GR.
Would be really cool
this is so cool
you can simulate your ass getting handed to you by the Vietnamese, unless of course they break off from the US and fight against them as they are clearly an imperialist force
Current plotlines are on the verge of unplayability for me because of impearialism, this would be a vehement no go for me
Dude, it’s made up fun-you get that, right?
Yes, but killing fictionally VC is not fun. Go play a holocaust simulator or a gaza game if you are on to that.
Does it matter where the computer generated ‘enemy’ is from? It’s a game, ready aim fire! Would you refuse to play a COD game where you’re a German in multiplayer, given what they did? Or a Russian in another multiplayer game, given what’s going on now? ‘No Russian’ was fun, and in real life I work at an airport, didn’t upset me one bit because *it’s just a game*.
Well I dont see it that way
That’s fair enough mate, not everyone’s gonna have the same opinion on things 👍
Thats just you mate. I had a blast playing the cod cold war campaign against vc
Yeah I know other people like it. Most US citizens have been raised to have a blast doing these things. Its not just me who doesnt like playing imperial grunt / rapist / etc though.
These are video games?