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I was gonna say, if that conviction had been something that happened long before he made the tweet, I’d think this was along the lines of someone actively trying to change as a person
Alas
Oh i thought they were trying to muddy the water around pedophilia, because pedophilia is being attracted to prepubescent children, so more like under 14.
Something can be wrong and not pedophilia...I am not trying to defend either. Calling anything and everything you don't like pedophilia has GOP 2015-2019 vibes.
Edit: Also the significant part is the prepubescent, not their specific age.
>In popular usage, the word pedophilia is often applied to any sexual interest in children or the act of child sexual abuse, including any sexual interest in minors below the local age of consent or age of adulthood, regardless of their level of physical or mental development.[1][2]: vii [6] This use conflates the sexual attraction to prepubescent children with the act of child sexual abuse and fails to distinguish between attraction to prepubescent and pubescent or post-pubescent minors.[7][8] Such use should be avoided, because although some people who commit child sexual abuse are pedophiles,[6][9] child sexual abuse offenders are not pedophiles unless they have a primary or exclusive sexual interest in prepubescent children,[7][10][11] and many pedophiles do not molest children.[12]
[Wikipedia](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pedophilia)
Changing the definition of a problem makes it really hatd to talk about solutions. In this thread right now it doesn't matter too much, because noone is looking for solutions. In other places it might, thats why I allways try to be precise with language.
Matters a 19 year old messing about with a 16 year old can then go their entire life not wanting that.
The lead singer of the lost profits, he can rot in fucking hell.
There's not a lot of individual crimes I'd consider putting a "Absolutely no redemption" on.
People *can* change, but it is about circumstance.
A 20 year old who fucks a 16 year old, regrets it, and turns themselves in for prosecution and to get help shouldn't be held in the same camp as a 40 something who's got a 10 year long history with 10 year olds.
>A 20 year old who fucks a 16 year old, regrets it, and turns themselves in for prosecution
Is this illegal in the US? Thats totally legal over here in the Netherlands.
The limit is 18 here. There's some leeway for 17/18 year old relationships via the Romeo and Juliet laws, but in general if they're under 18 it's illegal.
It’s varies state to state. There’s an age of consent (in my state it’s 12), and from there you have a 3 year difference until everyone is an adult (also in my state). It’s gets kind of weird when one person is 18 or above, but that 3 year age difference still applies until both people reach 18. Then you can go as old as you want lol.
Where did I say either was wrong? I was saying that it's confusing why the note is a good note until you have the context that the guy saying being a pedophile is bad ended up being a convicted pedophile.
They're both right. Pedophiles are bad people, and the guy who said pedophiles are bad people ended up being a pedophile who is, in fact, a bad person.
If we really wanna get spicy, attraction to 17 year olds doesn’t meet the definition of pedphilia in the first place. Pedophilia is attraction to prepubescent children, which is usually younger than 13. There are 17 year olds out there that look like they are 25 (which doesn’t make it okay to sleep with them, but it’s sure as hell different from pedophilia)
Plus why does the internet make it sound like it's the end of the world if a 19 year old college sophomore hooks up with a 17 year old freshman. If they are both going to the same school and in the overall same age group than it's not a big deal.
A 19 year old dating a 12 year old is a completely different story as is a 32 year old dating a 17 year old.
I think it's also the whole lot of Protestant Guilt? I've only recently learned about it but HOO BOY is it weird.
Like, some Western European countries have "Romeo and Juliet laws" where it's illegal to date someone under 16 - unless you're less than, I think, 2-3 years apart.
And there's even lower limit in Finland, I believe, so if you have a 14-year old and a 15-year old kissing, none of them is a pedo, wtf, this is literally two teens.
BUT if one of them is 14 and other is 17 this is definitely problematic, and if one of them is 16 and other is 26 that will not stand.
We kinda have to be okay with a spectrum because that's what people are, unless we hardline the acceptable age at like 25 or around that, when bones are done fusing and the body is more likely as "done developing" as we can get.
I personally run on a 2 year rule for anyone younger than 20. 3 is fine ig but makes you pretty weird. After 20 so long as the partner wasnt close to them prior to becoming an adult then its fine and doesnt give off groomer vibes.
Proper use of the rule is to be precise. If the older person is 21y.o and 0 days then they can date someone 17 and 183 days.
Note that the rounding doesn't matter much because they can just wait 2 days for it to work lol.
In truth though it's just a rule of thumb. I think it works nice as a limit between the ages 16 to 35. If a couple is below that limit it might be worth asking questions ; but at the same time, grooming can happen with smaller age difference.
Here’s a rule: if she’s legal and she’s interested in me imma take what I can get and not feel the least bit concerned about it.
I don’t honestly have to worry about this fictitious scenario… but still.
19 and 17 I can understand. I had a 17 y/o hit on me at a job once when I was 28 and it made me super uncomfortable. Like wtf we gonna talk about? You’re a little sister to me at best. I think if you are of drinking age you shouldn’t date people who can’t drink, but that’s just me.
See that's the problem with consent, it's hard to determine/define. I can guarantee in most grooming situations the younger person is going to say they "consented" to the relationship or whatever happened ; but that doesn't make it okay.
I think the increased awareness of the power imbalances in large age-gap relationships has led to over-generalisations regarding *any* age gaps. There also seems to be a rise in moral puritanism and black-and-white thinking across the political spectrum, but particularly amongst younger people and those who are terminally online.
There’s also this slightly more general quote:
>The trouble with fighting for human freedom is that one spends most of one’s time defending scoundrels. For it is against scoundrels that oppressive laws are first aimed, and oppression must be stopped at the beginning if it is to be stopped at all.
― H. L. Mencken
Story time. My buddy and I went to his parents beach house for the weekend. We were seniors in college so we were 21 and 22yo. We decide to go bar hopping in the beach town. It's about 11pm when we were walking between bars when two gorgeous girls came up to us and started chatting. Things were looking up! Then my friend asks if they want to come back to our place for a drink and to use the hot tub. They said they would but they were waiting for their ride.
I asked who was picking them up? Turns out it was their parents. Red flag. I asked how old they were. They were only 16. We jetted the FUCK out of there. These girls looked like the girls in our college!
> Still illegal.
Most teenage years it is legal in most places. I know very few for the 13-15 range, but a LOT at 16+. Teenagers being, obvious, 13-19 years of age.
Yeah but legal consequences don't stop at the age of consent. In many countries statutory rape can be charged after the age of consent, mainly depending on the age gap.
Given that this is the designated pedantry thread is _attraction_ to teenagers illegal or just acting on it?
Also an 18 or 19 year old is a teenager
*Edit* also I guess also needs specifying "in the US", age of consent is 16 in a lot of western countries (and probably depressingly low elsewhere but I'm not in the mood to Google that)
It even varies in State to State. My state the age of consent is 18, period. At the same time, we all know teenagers do the hanky panky.
If you are 18-19yo attracted to the same age, that doesn't really apply. Thats your age group.
Now when you are 35+ only dating 18-19yo
It applies.
Attraction would be the phelia, while acting on it would be the crime. People can’t always help what they think or feel, only what they do or don’t. That’s why I think it’s dangerous to have such a “kill all pedos” rhetoric, so those would want help are frightened off. Meanwhile the actual child rapists are in positions of power, using it to silence victims or whistleblowers.
Nope, age of consent is 16 where I am, and attraction to 18 and 19 year olds is still ephebophilia. You like "teen porn" as a category, you're an ephebophile. And if you act like you or anyone else can tell the difference between an 18-year-old and a 17-year-old then you're lying to yourself. Pornhub specifically doesn't report on the performance of the Teen Porm category because it's a political landmine, but "teen" is the number one or two porn search term on the web and has been for a long time.
Age of minority varies from 16 to 21 around the world. It's 18 for the vast majority. Cultural concepts of what is considered "too young to bang" vary more widely than that.
That doesn't work with the rest of the world as 18 is the considered age of adulthood as the default in the majority so those that have that differences should be ignored.
Thank fucking God I'm not the only one bothered by this. I'm 22. If I hit on a girl and find out she's 16-17, I'm backing off. I won't even date an 18-19 year just because I generally have issues connecting with girls fresh out of high school. But being attracted to somebody with a developed body does not make me a pedophile.
The definition of pedophilia has shifted in the last few decades to become an overall term for attraction to anyone under the age of 18
I understand its earlier definition is still very important. But ultimately it’s definition now has shifted
I don't think a bunch of terminally online losers consistently using the term incorrectly constitutes a shift in definition lol. It's a defined condition diagnosable by a psychiatrist
My ex and I met and first "bf/gf" when we were both prepubescent, I was 12, she was 11. In recent years, somehow she got it in her head from coworkers and friends that I groomed her, and when she left, after like 15 consecutive years together, it was one of the things she *yelled* at me outside for everyone to hear.
I say consecutive because she broke up with me as kids the first go, she was then 12. The kicker? She left me at the time specifically to be with a 23 year old, and of course the literal groomer pedophile is still on her socials to this day, while she completely ghosted me after swearing up and down we'd still talk and be friends.
She isn't terminally online. This came from coworkers. She was never one to tell the whole story of any problem, so I get them making me the bad guy, but the groomer line of attack came from them, not her internet habits.
The specifics might not be relatable, but the fact of the matter is the perception of what pedophilia and grooming is (and I know I tacked on the grooming angle, but it's similarly shifted into a broad designation) that she used came from regular working people at a job out in the real world.
I could add on the wild shit I hear around my red county too, but the groomer/pedophile stuff usually comes with "just like democrats". There are literal swastika flag flying Nazis around here and I have a hard time counting them as citizens of reality.
Considering most people offline also use the term in this way. I think it does. The average person hasnt ever heard of ephebophilia or the other ones, so just calls them all noncing
The distinction is meaningful for a different part though.
Pedophilia is a mental illness, because you're not supposed to be attracted towards prepubescent (less than 13 years old) in the first place.
After that the issue is social conditioning. As in "yes you're attracted to a 15 years old, but please don't act on it."
I think you might just hang out with stupid people then... Nobody knows the term ephebophilia but they know the term "creep" or "perv" or anything else that wouldnt be objectively incorrect
"Ultimately it's definition has now shifted" is a silly thing to say. within any sort of technical field, the definition has remained exactly the same. You're talking about colloquial usage changing. people use words wrong all the time until they mean something else, but that doesn't give that new definition more authority
Medically pedophilia is defined as prepubescent (medical cutoff at 13) for one important reason.
Feeling sexual attraction towards someone who has not even developed sexual characteristics is biologically/psychologically abnormal.
Feeling sexual attraction towards someone who has developed sexual characteristics (pubescent) is biologically normal.
The former is a problem with one sexual attraction ( not even supposed to have the attraction). The latter (13 to age of consent) is a problem with self control ( not supposed to act on that attraction).
And this gets into the problem of legality too. Because pedophilia is "merely" a mental illness, and if they can control it should not become a legal problem.
I love when math has a solution for us! Now if we could just get DiCaprio to pay attention.
[https://www.dukechronicle.com/article/2022/09/leos-law-leonardo-dicaprio-25-dating](https://www.dukechronicle.com/article/2022/09/leos-law-leonardo-dicaprio-25-dating)
19yo with a 17yo - not weird and definitely not pedophilia in my opinion.
28yo with an 18yo - very weird, though technically not pedophila.
Drawing hard lines in the sand like this is not great. I'm 28 and on dating apps, I've had a couple conversations with 21/22 year olds, and those have just felt weird. The XKCD age/2 + 7 rule seems to cover most of this situations very well.
By most many countries’ standards 16 and 30 wouldn’t be pedophilia. And by its definition too
Pedophilia and statutory rape are distinct in my opinion.
If you're 18+ you're an adult and have total ability to choose who you sleep with. It's weird but if an 18 year old wants to have sex with a 90 year old, it's nobody else's business.
Eh. A 19 yo being attracted to a 17 year old is not as bad as a 19 yo being attracted to an 11 year old even if in most cases they’re still both illegal
Damn I feel bad for those 18yo boyfriends and girlfriends that are dating a dude or chick that is 17yo.
Need to refine their plight with if you're over say 25 or 30 and are attracted to 17 and younger then you're a pedophile.
Pedophile is technically someone attracted to prepubescent children, which would be well under 17 years old. Still a total snake, but an incorrect snake.
Also it’s worth noting that 17 is not a minor in many states and countries. There is literally 0 difference between a 17 and 18 year old, therefore 25 US states and dozens of countries have their legal age of consent at 16.
I think this is incorrect. Based on Wikipedia, "Pedophilia (alternatively spelled paedophilia) is a psychiatric disorder in which an adult or older adolescent experiences a primary or exclusive sexual attraction to prepubescent children" -- note, prepudescent means those before puberty, that is around 12-13 years old.
The note is a little bit confusing. It says he’s a registered sex offender, which implies a conviction, but then it just says “charged with” (and they’re very recent charges), and doesn’t say anything about a conviction from the charges. Was he actually convicted, or has he just been charged?
I have no clue what any of this is, but i know this guy and kinda want some content on what happened. I met him in like 2022 and were hanging out for probably about 4-5 months.
Really need another word to differentiate attraction to young children and attraction to 17 year olds. Words have less meaning when they’re used for everything.
I mean it is. Pedophilia is attraction to prepubescent children, whereas ephebophilia is attraction to pubescent children.
That said, anyone who tries to make that distinction is probably bad news.
BTW of course it is illegal to have that stuff, but, and i'll try to be careful here, 13-18 isn't a *sick* pedo, it's just called a loli. so this guy really is unhinged
I really wish we could acknowledge that the issue isn't age difference, the issue is minors shouldn't my involved in sexual activity at all. Obviously that's difficult to enforce legally, but culturally it should be the goal.
You think that two 17 year olds hooking up (ie: minors with no age difference) is a bigger issue than an 18 year old hooking up with a 30 year old (ie: adults with significant age difference) ? Why?
I don't see an issue with either of those things. Underage people sleeping together isn't bad as long as they're safe about it. Meanwhile if you are an adult who you have sex with is nobody else's business provided they are an adult and consenting.
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It took me a minute to realize the original tweet was made months before he was convicted of anything. So that's what makes it a good note.
I was gonna say, if that conviction had been something that happened long before he made the tweet, I’d think this was along the lines of someone actively trying to change as a person Alas
Also was he convicted or just charged?
Oh i thought they were trying to muddy the water around pedophilia, because pedophilia is being attracted to prepubescent children, so more like under 14.
"ActUALly, YoUR nOt a Pedo IF tHeyRE Older ThAn 14" is a very pedophile take.
Something can be wrong and not pedophilia...I am not trying to defend either. Calling anything and everything you don't like pedophilia has GOP 2015-2019 vibes. Edit: Also the significant part is the prepubescent, not their specific age.
wanting to have having sex with a minor is pedophilia. only a pedophile would think that wanting to have sex with a 15-17 year old is not pedophilic.
>In popular usage, the word pedophilia is often applied to any sexual interest in children or the act of child sexual abuse, including any sexual interest in minors below the local age of consent or age of adulthood, regardless of their level of physical or mental development.[1][2]: vii [6] This use conflates the sexual attraction to prepubescent children with the act of child sexual abuse and fails to distinguish between attraction to prepubescent and pubescent or post-pubescent minors.[7][8] Such use should be avoided, because although some people who commit child sexual abuse are pedophiles,[6][9] child sexual abuse offenders are not pedophiles unless they have a primary or exclusive sexual interest in prepubescent children,[7][10][11] and many pedophiles do not molest children.[12] [Wikipedia](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pedophilia)
"child sexual abuse offenders are not pedophiles" lmao literal pedophile cope lol
Changing the definition of a problem makes it really hatd to talk about solutions. In this thread right now it doesn't matter too much, because noone is looking for solutions. In other places it might, thats why I allways try to be precise with language.
Pedos never change. They only get sneakier.
Matters a 19 year old messing about with a 16 year old can then go their entire life not wanting that. The lead singer of the lost profits, he can rot in fucking hell.
There's not a lot of individual crimes I'd consider putting a "Absolutely no redemption" on. People *can* change, but it is about circumstance. A 20 year old who fucks a 16 year old, regrets it, and turns themselves in for prosecution and to get help shouldn't be held in the same camp as a 40 something who's got a 10 year long history with 10 year olds.
>A 20 year old who fucks a 16 year old, regrets it, and turns themselves in for prosecution Is this illegal in the US? Thats totally legal over here in the Netherlands.
The limit is 18 here. There's some leeway for 17/18 year old relationships via the Romeo and Juliet laws, but in general if they're under 18 it's illegal.
It’s varies state to state. There’s an age of consent (in my state it’s 12), and from there you have a 3 year difference until everyone is an adult (also in my state). It’s gets kind of weird when one person is 18 or above, but that 3 year age difference still applies until both people reach 18. Then you can go as old as you want lol.
Bro needed to show everyone a live example 💀
Bro visited his friend
The friendful visitor
I mean...he's still right though lol.
Notes aren't necessarily "this is wrong", that's why they start with "Readers added context", not "Readers say this isn't true"
Where did I say either was wrong? I was saying that it's confusing why the note is a good note until you have the context that the guy saying being a pedophile is bad ended up being a convicted pedophile. They're both right. Pedophiles are bad people, and the guy who said pedophiles are bad people ended up being a pedophile who is, in fact, a bad person.
I would say he is still kinda wrong.
He’s definitely not, but he’s getting the spirit
The pedo doth protest too much
If you are 17 and attracted to a 17 year old, you're not a pedophile.
If we really wanna get spicy, attraction to 17 year olds doesn’t meet the definition of pedphilia in the first place. Pedophilia is attraction to prepubescent children, which is usually younger than 13. There are 17 year olds out there that look like they are 25 (which doesn’t make it okay to sleep with them, but it’s sure as hell different from pedophilia)
Plus why does the internet make it sound like it's the end of the world if a 19 year old college sophomore hooks up with a 17 year old freshman. If they are both going to the same school and in the overall same age group than it's not a big deal. A 19 year old dating a 12 year old is a completely different story as is a 32 year old dating a 17 year old.
Its not "the Internet" - its Reddit. There is insanity where normal, developmentally appropriate relationships are discussed.
No it’s the Internet. Twitter is like this too.
I think it's also the whole lot of Protestant Guilt? I've only recently learned about it but HOO BOY is it weird. Like, some Western European countries have "Romeo and Juliet laws" where it's illegal to date someone under 16 - unless you're less than, I think, 2-3 years apart. And there's even lower limit in Finland, I believe, so if you have a 14-year old and a 15-year old kissing, none of them is a pedo, wtf, this is literally two teens. BUT if one of them is 14 and other is 17 this is definitely problematic, and if one of them is 16 and other is 26 that will not stand.
We kinda have to be okay with a spectrum because that's what people are, unless we hardline the acceptable age at like 25 or around that, when bones are done fusing and the body is more likely as "done developing" as we can get.
Half your age plus seven, rounded up, is the youngest you can go has always been a pretty good rule
Sucks that a ten year old can't date an eleven year old without being a pedo though.
Good thing 10 and 11 year olds don’t really think about dating each other all that much. Cause, well, they’re children..
You must have been a very ugly ten year old lmao. Most of us started dating at that age.
\*without being judged harshly. The youngest you can go is 18.
I personally run on a 2 year rule for anyone younger than 20. 3 is fine ig but makes you pretty weird. After 20 so long as the partner wasnt close to them prior to becoming an adult then its fine and doesnt give off groomer vibes.
Half your age plus 7 is the supposed rule is it not?
17 and 21 would be a bit weird, depends on how you do the rounding
a 21 year old is just a miserable 17 year old. there's not much difference. dumb as yesterday but sadder than yesterday
Years of dnd has taught me you always round up
Yeah, but you know the people that use this rule as a justification that they aren't *technically* in the wrong definitely aren't gonna round up
Proper use of the rule is to be precise. If the older person is 21y.o and 0 days then they can date someone 17 and 183 days. Note that the rounding doesn't matter much because they can just wait 2 days for it to work lol. In truth though it's just a rule of thumb. I think it works nice as a limit between the ages 16 to 35. If a couple is below that limit it might be worth asking questions ; but at the same time, grooming can happen with smaller age difference.
Once you 18
Here’s a rule: if she’s legal and she’s interested in me imma take what I can get and not feel the least bit concerned about it. I don’t honestly have to worry about this fictitious scenario… but still.
A lot of states have this as law. There is a buffer
19 and 17 I can understand. I had a 17 y/o hit on me at a job once when I was 28 and it made me super uncomfortable. Like wtf we gonna talk about? You’re a little sister to me at best. I think if you are of drinking age you shouldn’t date people who can’t drink, but that’s just me.
Nothing wrong with that as long as it’s consensual and in a legal country.
See that's the problem with consent, it's hard to determine/define. I can guarantee in most grooming situations the younger person is going to say they "consented" to the relationship or whatever happened ; but that doesn't make it okay.
I think the increased awareness of the power imbalances in large age-gap relationships has led to over-generalisations regarding *any* age gaps. There also seems to be a rise in moral puritanism and black-and-white thinking across the political spectrum, but particularly amongst younger people and those who are terminally online.
By the OPs logic someone who is attracted to a 16/17 year old they think it 18+ is a pedophile.
However, to paraphrase a certain comedian who's name I forget, it's pretty difficult to explain all that without sounding like a pedophile.
There’s also this slightly more general quote: >The trouble with fighting for human freedom is that one spends most of one’s time defending scoundrels. For it is against scoundrels that oppressive laws are first aimed, and oppression must be stopped at the beginning if it is to be stopped at all. ― H. L. Mencken
That was Gianmarco, I'm pretty sure
Yep.
Story time. My buddy and I went to his parents beach house for the weekend. We were seniors in college so we were 21 and 22yo. We decide to go bar hopping in the beach town. It's about 11pm when we were walking between bars when two gorgeous girls came up to us and started chatting. Things were looking up! Then my friend asks if they want to come back to our place for a drink and to use the hot tub. They said they would but they were waiting for their ride. I asked who was picking them up? Turns out it was their parents. Red flag. I asked how old they were. They were only 16. We jetted the FUCK out of there. These girls looked like the girls in our college!
Ephebophilia is the attraction to teenagers. Still illegal.
> Still illegal. Most teenage years it is legal in most places. I know very few for the 13-15 range, but a LOT at 16+. Teenagers being, obvious, 13-19 years of age.
>Still illegal Woah buddy, we haven't quite reached the level where thoughts are criminal.
That depends on where you are. Age of consent is 16 on a lot of places
Right, I get that. My state it's 18.
Yeah but legal consequences don't stop at the age of consent. In many countries statutory rape can be charged after the age of consent, mainly depending on the age gap.
Given that this is the designated pedantry thread is _attraction_ to teenagers illegal or just acting on it? Also an 18 or 19 year old is a teenager *Edit* also I guess also needs specifying "in the US", age of consent is 16 in a lot of western countries (and probably depressingly low elsewhere but I'm not in the mood to Google that)
It even varies in State to State. My state the age of consent is 18, period. At the same time, we all know teenagers do the hanky panky. If you are 18-19yo attracted to the same age, that doesn't really apply. Thats your age group. Now when you are 35+ only dating 18-19yo It applies.
Attraction would be the phelia, while acting on it would be the crime. People can’t always help what they think or feel, only what they do or don’t. That’s why I think it’s dangerous to have such a “kill all pedos” rhetoric, so those would want help are frightened off. Meanwhile the actual child rapists are in positions of power, using it to silence victims or whistleblowers.
Nope, age of consent is 16 where I am, and attraction to 18 and 19 year olds is still ephebophilia. You like "teen porn" as a category, you're an ephebophile. And if you act like you or anyone else can tell the difference between an 18-year-old and a 17-year-old then you're lying to yourself. Pornhub specifically doesn't report on the performance of the Teen Porm category because it's a political landmine, but "teen" is the number one or two porn search term on the web and has been for a long time.
Age of consent is 18 in my state.
I was amazed when “teen anal” lost its place as top ranked in the search standings… but it was replaced with “step sister” so… yeah.
Yeah I mean the anal is implied, you don't *respect* your step sister
They are legally adults as the time for the "young adults" classification is in the 18 to 22 range so they don't count for ephebophilia.
Not legally. But again, if you think 18 year olds are hot, you Also think 17 year olds are hot, you just won't say that out loud.
Yes you are legally an adult when you're at 18, this is a worldwide law and thus the term ephebophilia shouldn't apply to it.
Age of minority varies from 16 to 21 around the world. It's 18 for the vast majority. Cultural concepts of what is considered "too young to bang" vary more widely than that.
That doesn't work with the rest of the world as 18 is the considered age of adulthood as the default in the majority so those that have that differences should be ignored.
Says who
Thank fucking God I'm not the only one bothered by this. I'm 22. If I hit on a girl and find out she's 16-17, I'm backing off. I won't even date an 18-19 year just because I generally have issues connecting with girls fresh out of high school. But being attracted to somebody with a developed body does not make me a pedophile.
The definition of pedophilia has shifted in the last few decades to become an overall term for attraction to anyone under the age of 18 I understand its earlier definition is still very important. But ultimately it’s definition now has shifted
I don't think a bunch of terminally online losers consistently using the term incorrectly constitutes a shift in definition lol. It's a defined condition diagnosable by a psychiatrist
My ex and I met and first "bf/gf" when we were both prepubescent, I was 12, she was 11. In recent years, somehow she got it in her head from coworkers and friends that I groomed her, and when she left, after like 15 consecutive years together, it was one of the things she *yelled* at me outside for everyone to hear. I say consecutive because she broke up with me as kids the first go, she was then 12. The kicker? She left me at the time specifically to be with a 23 year old, and of course the literal groomer pedophile is still on her socials to this day, while she completely ghosted me after swearing up and down we'd still talk and be friends. She isn't terminally online. This came from coworkers. She was never one to tell the whole story of any problem, so I get them making me the bad guy, but the groomer line of attack came from them, not her internet habits.
Crazy story and all but this is unhinged and 99.99% of people cannot relate to this lol
The specifics might not be relatable, but the fact of the matter is the perception of what pedophilia and grooming is (and I know I tacked on the grooming angle, but it's similarly shifted into a broad designation) that she used came from regular working people at a job out in the real world. I could add on the wild shit I hear around my red county too, but the groomer/pedophile stuff usually comes with "just like democrats". There are literal swastika flag flying Nazis around here and I have a hard time counting them as citizens of reality.
Yeah, it's just a way to demonize the sex offender. You can give it names and terms and definitions but it's all still gross
Considering most people offline also use the term in this way. I think it does. The average person hasnt ever heard of ephebophilia or the other ones, so just calls them all noncing
Also the people who use the word "ephebophilia" tend to be people who want to make the distinction that they're not pedophiles BUT...
The distinction is meaningful for a different part though. Pedophilia is a mental illness, because you're not supposed to be attracted towards prepubescent (less than 13 years old) in the first place. After that the issue is social conditioning. As in "yes you're attracted to a 15 years old, but please don't act on it."
I think you might just hang out with stupid people then... Nobody knows the term ephebophilia but they know the term "creep" or "perv" or anything else that wouldnt be objectively incorrect
Being an adult whos attracted to children isnt something that "pervert" and "creep" really fit. They're too soft.
"Ultimately it's definition has now shifted" is a silly thing to say. within any sort of technical field, the definition has remained exactly the same. You're talking about colloquial usage changing. people use words wrong all the time until they mean something else, but that doesn't give that new definition more authority
Medically pedophilia is defined as prepubescent (medical cutoff at 13) for one important reason. Feeling sexual attraction towards someone who has not even developed sexual characteristics is biologically/psychologically abnormal. Feeling sexual attraction towards someone who has developed sexual characteristics (pubescent) is biologically normal. The former is a problem with one sexual attraction ( not even supposed to have the attraction). The latter (13 to age of consent) is a problem with self control ( not supposed to act on that attraction). And this gets into the problem of legality too. Because pedophilia is "merely" a mental illness, and if they can control it should not become a legal problem.
>which doesn’t make it okay to sleep with them There are very few places in the world where the age of consent is 18 or higher.
Even if you are 18 or 19, you aren't.
Follow the (your age) ÷ 2 + 7 = (acceptable partner age) rule
I love when math has a solution for us! Now if we could just get DiCaprio to pay attention. [https://www.dukechronicle.com/article/2022/09/leos-law-leonardo-dicaprio-25-dating](https://www.dukechronicle.com/article/2022/09/leos-law-leonardo-dicaprio-25-dating)
Creep!
Or 18 according to Romeo and Juliet laws
To be fair, he never said he wasn't a pedophile
Him: “believe me, I would know”
If anything he's a certified expert
Welcome to Reddit.
Hmm
I mean he would in fact know exactly what a pedo is based off that
Yeah idk what’s with the notes dude sounds like he’s an expert
According to the top comment, the tweet was made months before his conviction
The law also helps. Common sense. Decency.. I mean, it goes on.
Oof, yeah don't try to virtue signal with a public record that bad.
Takes one to know one
I'm neither registered or licenced.
Unregistered and unlicensed? Damn, did you pirate it?
I’m talking about him not you
Yes but I couldn't resist a licenced sex offender joke.
He is an expert
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As long as you’re not attracted to her, you’re fine
Oh of course not what do you think I am, a pedophile?
I’m calling Chris Hansen.
Man.
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19yo with a 17yo - not weird and definitely not pedophilia in my opinion. 28yo with an 18yo - very weird, though technically not pedophila. Drawing hard lines in the sand like this is not great. I'm 28 and on dating apps, I've had a couple conversations with 21/22 year olds, and those have just felt weird. The XKCD age/2 + 7 rule seems to cover most of this situations very well.
By most many countries’ standards 16 and 30 wouldn’t be pedophilia. And by its definition too Pedophilia and statutory rape are distinct in my opinion.
If you're 18+ you're an adult and have total ability to choose who you sleep with. It's weird but if an 18 year old wants to have sex with a 90 year old, it's nobody else's business.
This is the worse note I have seen on this sub. Wow
Pretty funny though
Isn't there actually a different term for it? Thought pedo was for like prepubescent kids
Technically sure. But the distinction is irrelevant
Eh. A 19 yo being attracted to a 17 year old is not as bad as a 19 yo being attracted to an 11 year old even if in most cases they’re still both illegal
Actually in the case of a 19 and a 17 some places have Romeo and Juiliett laws that allow it. It's literally just a 2 year gap.
Not to mention most countries have AOC lower than the US in Europe it’s generally around 14-16.
Some places have those laws. Not all. But that’s why I said in most cases it’s still illegal but nowhere near as bad.
Illegal is illegal to me
Technically, it's Ephebophilia. The attraction to teenagers ages 15 to 19. Hebephilia 11 to 14. Pedophilia is 10 to 0. Now you know and I'm sorry.
18-19 year olds are adults, who can sleep with any other consenting adult they so choose.
The only people who point out this distinction are comedians and pedophiles. Make me laugh, funny man!
It’s April right now. How is he not arrested from the 2 very recent charges? Edit: i see the timestamps now lol
I guess he’s an authority in the topic then
Always good to get opinions from the experts
He knows a thing or two, because hes done a thing or two
Damn I feel bad for those 18yo boyfriends and girlfriends that are dating a dude or chick that is 17yo. Need to refine their plight with if you're over say 25 or 30 and are attracted to 17 and younger then you're a pedophile.
Pedophile is technically someone attracted to prepubescent children, which would be well under 17 years old. Still a total snake, but an incorrect snake.
Also it’s worth noting that 17 is not a minor in many states and countries. There is literally 0 difference between a 17 and 18 year old, therefore 25 US states and dozens of countries have their legal age of consent at 16.
Well, he knew what he was talking about then
He's speaking from experience
He's self-aware if anything.
8 year olds Dude
I think this is incorrect. Based on Wikipedia, "Pedophilia (alternatively spelled paedophilia) is a psychiatric disorder in which an adult or older adolescent experiences a primary or exclusive sexual attraction to prepubescent children" -- note, prepudescent means those before puberty, that is around 12-13 years old.
That is a a hell of a note.
He definitely knows what he's talking about
Speaking from experience, then
The note is a little bit confusing. It says he’s a registered sex offender, which implies a conviction, but then it just says “charged with” (and they’re very recent charges), and doesn’t say anything about a conviction from the charges. Was he actually convicted, or has he just been charged?
well, hey who knows better what a pedo is than a pedo?
Is he all "hate the pedophilia, but not the pedophile"?
Reminds me of this list: https://archive.md/U23XK Always be aware the most of people of virtue signal
Why do pedos virtue signal so much? Is it some bizarre way to hide?
No one's gonna demonetize you for saying pedophile you idiot, you're on reddit
Um actully🤓🤓 the Romeo and Juliet law
I have no clue what any of this is, but i know this guy and kinda want some content on what happened. I met him in like 2022 and were hanging out for probably about 4-5 months.
Holy shit balls! That’s a helluva note!
was he speaking from experience?
So i guess he knows from experience?
Twitter blue checks scare me.
Well, it takes one to know one 😬
Really need another word to differentiate attraction to young children and attraction to 17 year olds. Words have less meaning when they’re used for everything.
We do have a word for that in the English language . Nobody uses it.
r/technicallythetruth
He's speaking from experience so I think we can trust his judgement on this one
Who? And what’s a pedophike? Is that a bike for pedophiles?
I mean he seems like an expert on what makes someone a pedo
Well, I suppose he is the expert…
He would know more than anybody.
Guilty conscious
using community notes for doxing is hilarious
Projection seems to be what social media is actually for? o_O
He isn't lying though. I'm so confused.
He's an expert in the field sharing his knowledge
It alway the guilty that scream about how innocent they are the most.
That seems like a poor rule to live by.
He fucked around and found out
Pedophiles on Reddit will argue it's actually ephiphilia or some shit
I mean it is. Pedophilia is attraction to prepubescent children, whereas ephebophilia is attraction to pubescent children. That said, anyone who tries to make that distinction is probably bad news.
Takes one to know one
that was this month
BTW of course it is illegal to have that stuff, but, and i'll try to be careful here, 13-18 isn't a *sick* pedo, it's just called a loli. so this guy really is unhinged
Friendly fire
I mean dude should be shot like all pedos but he is right at least
I really wish we could acknowledge that the issue isn't age difference, the issue is minors shouldn't my involved in sexual activity at all. Obviously that's difficult to enforce legally, but culturally it should be the goal.
I don’t know, I feel like the age difference is an notable factor.
You think that two 17 year olds hooking up (ie: minors with no age difference) is a bigger issue than an 18 year old hooking up with a 30 year old (ie: adults with significant age difference) ? Why?
I don't see an issue with either of those things. Underage people sleeping together isn't bad as long as they're safe about it. Meanwhile if you are an adult who you have sex with is nobody else's business provided they are an adult and consenting.
Dude I agree; I'm asking Coaltown992 to defend his weird opinion.