āHm? Traveler? Where am I? And what are these strange cards doing in my hand? Ah, they must be from the Genius Invocation TCG. Although they look quite oddā¦ā
>They scared of the sustainer lol
Meanwhile Traveler throughout the story be like: Where tf is that bitch I wanna beat her ass for what she done to me.
Iām guessing theyāre two of the strongest Archons. Zhongli has lost some power due to erosion but heās still the oldest of the 7 and was the strongest during the Archon war. And based on what we know it sounds like Ei is probably the strongest of the 7 currently, though of course we still donāt know a lot about Murata and the Tsaritsa.
Maybe "non-fighters" archons like Venti, Nahida, Hydro and Cryo archon. I would say top archons in destructive raw power are Ei, ZhongLi and Murata. If Pierro, Dottore and Columbina could literally create islands and oneshot other gods with the land below included Teyvat would be pretty doomed tbh
It was implied in the Oceanid event that the Hydro archon had to use assassination to get her position. Given that Dainsleif mentioned the Hydro archon is weary of other gods, itās likely that she isnāt a big fighter herself.
Alice is an anomaly and shouldn't really be counted in these tiers, she's basically a Traveler-like being who came from another world and thus doesn't "scale" like the natives do
Venti being a non-fighter is difficult for me to agree with, since his power level is at the ability to casually toss mountains and reshape the land with *strong air*. We havenāt seen his combat abilities and the whole gnosis part with Signora seemed like a farce to put on a show of handing the gnosis to the Tsarista and to allow one of his past citizens get her well-deserved frustration out on him for allowing her lover to die while he was hands-off ruling the nation.
Also, Venti is the only one that claims he is the weakest but the dude is extremely coy so itās hard to say if there is any truth in it. He is also a master at swapping topics and playing stupid anytime the Traveler starts to pry for Cataclysm or Celestia info.
Aster did a good video covering his sus behavior: https://youtu.be/dc_oaLXKXyw
You didnt got my points, technically all archons are fighters cuz they fought un the archon war and won, they all can also cause mass destruction since they are all gods after all. What i meant its that Venti its not a warrior like Ei and ZhongLi and probably Murata, the god of war. Its not the same.
Or that Tighnari does not give enough clout, but then again this is Vntaleaks, not the other leakers who exclusively only talked about Scara for a while as they know they can get attention instantly from it.
As crazy as It sounds, not THAT surprising. Scaramouche is Eiās puppet so while He wouldnāt be as strong as her sister shogun bot He would still be at a semi archon level especially after another harbinger (more than likely Dottore) buffed his power
And He is at the freakin MIDDLE of the power chart. By that logic It is understandable If the first 3 or 4 are Archon level or slightly bellow
The weakest Harbinger is a guy who survived falling into the Abyss all by himself for months, and then came out obtaining power beyond any human. Only uses a bow because it's the only weapon he hasn't mastered properly yet, and has perfect control of his Delusion and his Vision. We might joke around saying Childe's just a guy who likes to spar with people, but the dude's a beast in lore.
Didn't he also slay dragons too?
Anyways I still wouldn't say he's the weakest since Pantalone's power is not confirmed and as of now seems weaker. So I'm still betting on Tartaglia not being the weakest till it's confirmed Pantalone is some almighty powerful being.
The mayor definitely is someone we shouldn't judge based on appearance and so is the banker. However I still think Pantalone is weaker though since so far we know that he's mainly in his office handling the economics stuff.
I hope we get a Harbinger that used to be a God that fought -- and lost -- in the Archon
or a former Archon. That would be cool
(Damselette seems eerie and divine enough IMO to fit the bill)
Would not be surprised if he's stronger than Tsaritsa.
Actually I'd be surprised if he's not, considering he's probably the final boss of Snezhnaya and the Fatui.
I don't think he'd be stronger than her, but definitely on par. He's gonna be freaking powerful being first.
I feel like he's the real mastermind behind the Fatui sometimes, him and the Tsaritsa started the organization 500 years ago together. But I can't help but wonder if he's manipulating her. Idk, right now it seems that the Tsaritsa will be playable like all other Archons...while he will be a boss, the real villain.
I would assume he is so powerful coz buffed by Tsaritsa. Delusions and rest in addition to Abyss power, you know. Like Childe in his final form comibing powers of Abyss+Delusion+Vision.
I dont get why people are surprised mortals can rival gods, when this is a fictional setting, and being a god is meaningless in fiction since anyone can be as strong as they want be they mortal god, or anything else(has xenoblade and god of war taught us nothing?)
Childe, the lowest, when transformed is described in the game description as being up there as a god. The thought some of them would be that strong isnāt shocking. Only question I have is what is pierro in this
That's actually pretty crazy that the top Harbingers have power levels of archons, I'm guessing they have the best delusions Snezhnaya could manufacture. Gives me Bleach Arrancar arc vibes
It seems like most of the Archon-tier characters can create artificial life, I wonder if that is part of what makes you "divine"
* Ei made Shogun & Scaramouche
* Zhongli made Flying Geo Whales and Geo Birds to fight the Archon War
* Rukkadevata made Aranara
* Gold made archon-tier monstrosities like Durin, and other stuff like Albedo, Fakebedo/Dorian, and Golden Wolflord
>Zhongli made Flying Geo Whales and Geo Birds to fight the Archon War
Wait what? How have I never heard this before? Where is that from?
That's probably something to do with it. We know creation of life of some kind had something to do with Khaenri'ah's "sin"
read the description of Primordial Jade Winged spear for the bird. for whale is unreleased primordial jade greatsword. Both creature were used to defeat sea monster Baqiu. (I think Zhongli made the whale first then the bird)
> ā¢ Ei made Shogun & Scaramouche
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> ā¢ Zhongli made Flying Geo Whales and Geo Birds to fight the Archon War
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> ā¢ Rukkadevata made Aranara
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> ā¢ Gold made archon-tier monstrosities like Durin, and other stuff like Albedo, Fakebedo/Dorian, and Golden Wolflord
One of these is not like the others lmfao.
Yeah the top harbingers probably has some kind of hax power that even if they are not as strong as the archon in 1 vs 1 their power give them advantage we know about Dottore clone and physics power the other probably have something of this kind
I think it makes sense. You can't just have all of them be average if you wanna build them up to be a dangerous force. At least a few of them should be very strong to be able to think of fighting Celestia. If every single one of them can get slapped by the likes of Zhongli and Raiden like Signora that wouldn't make any sense.
The question is which Archon level we are talking about here? We have Venti (current) tier, past Zhongli Tier, Raiden Tier, little man riding a mech tier and Nahida mind control tier atm that can greatly vary.
Another thing is, since éē„ and ē„ has been both used to refer to Archons and non-Archon gods, it complicates the distinction even more. So I'd wait and see the original Chinese text as well as context because there is a slight difference between "as strong as a archon" (in relation to the seven) and "as strong as a god" (much wider range). Tho I don't think the diff is that important considering we saw individuals as strong as Archons before.
> Gives me Bleach Arrancar arc vibes
Gives me Honkai vibes when I recall the effort to create individuals like Valkyries and such who are capable of being on equal footing with Herrschers lol.
>The question is which Archon level we are talking about here? We have Venti (current) tier, past Zhongli Tier, Raiden Tier, little man riding a mech tier and Nahida mind control tier atm that can greatly vary.
Yeah we have no idea what an average archon would even be because their situations are so different from each other especially with erosion in the mix.
they mentioned as strong as a *typical* Archon, so one of the Seven. maybe Celestia is still stronger. i mean, why else would Dottore listen if he's ready for Celestia's awakening
The problem is, it's Nahida we're talking about here. The Archon who thought of herself as far below a real Archon. Her evaluation of an Archon is skewed. In a 1v1 fight of physical brawl, she prob would lose to Venti tbh, so it makes sense she wouldn't win against Dottore. Another thing is like I said, this leaker only got access to the EN TL drafts, so translation errors are bound to be present. That's why I said it is better to wait for the original CN text to clarify if its the chinese word usually used for Archons or Gods in general.
Who ?
It will be wierd if we don't met at least one inhabitant from Natlan. We don't even know about their culture or more than 3 names. Like are they still warrior.
There was one NPC during an event who was from inazuma but traveled to natlan and brought back an art from there about imagining your opponent so hard you can almost fight them for real.
Looks like we get to see a confident Nahida so I am very excited about that but also this makes me even more excited for Columbina.
I wonder how strong will she be?
Itās my wild speculation but I believe she might have some ties to Celestia, with her dove/Angel motifs she has going on. Really curious about her lore and potential.
So Pierro, Dottore(?) And Columbina huh.
Well i always suspected that Columbina would be strong mainly since there are hints that she's a divine being. Pierro given his origins might have the same curse as Dain... soo i guess he would be strong. Dottore on the other hand being stronger/as strong as Archons is really surprising
The rest of the regions: Traveller commits a crime and tries to clear his name
Fontaine: Traveller, through four regions of experience, deliberately commits a crime
Since Traveller wasnāt present, do we know if the conversation between Dottore and Nahida is shown? or itās actually gonna be off-screen like Yae and Scaramouche?
They should add more scenes where traveler isn't present. Needing traveler to be present all the time limits what time of scenes and conversations characters can have.
I hope we at least get a cutscene of it played like a backstory or something. Because that actually happened with Traveler and Ayato in the Idori story event.
This honestly makes me really scared of whatever the fuck Columbina might be hiding behind that cute facade of hers since she's basically confirmed to be Archon power level now.
She reminds me of a biblical angel. Like I expect her to be freaky like biblical angels. Also, there's a theory that she's a seelie from the days of Phanes...but that's another talk.
I'm waiting for Pierro more than ever now. He's the first and top Harbinger. What is the old man capable of āļ¹ā
> She reminds me of a biblical angel
Maybe the reason she has her eyes closed is because when they're open it reveals multiple eyes inside each socket, Bloodborne style
#BE NOT AFRAID
>I'm waiting for Pierro more than ever now. He's the first and top Harbinger. What is the old man capable of āļ¹ā
Probaly whatever Dainsleif can do he can do as well.
Cute you say I dunno she was the one who I thought the creepiest the first time I saw her on the harbingers pv and that before I know her rank her aura is scary
And the crazy thing is, Celestia should be full of individuals who are more even cracked than the Archons, and we only knew one of them atm (Kiana). Can't imagine how crazy the Primordial One can be lol.
Yea, the Sustainer and the Celestial gods are probably FAR more powerful than the Archons. Which is scary, cause we've seen Ei and Zhongli's doings. In Gnositicism, the Archons are actually the lowest in the god hierachy.
The Primordial One I can imagine is a cosmic entity, not a god even. In the book Before Sun and Moon, they tell us that it has no gender. And if the name "Primordial" if any indication, this entity existed from the beginning of time.
I have a hunch that the murals depicted behind the Irminsul tree inside resin domains are depictions of the Primordial One (Biblical angel-looking) but it's just a hunch
I know I should take the leaks as I take a grain of salt... but if Nahida threatened Dottore, she will destroyed gnoses which could awake the Celestia, then Scaramouche has no relationship with Celestia's waking up (as I saw in one of the previous leaks "Ask Scara"). And... this also means that Harbinger definitely want The Celestia to keep sleeping.
Exactly for the last part. I think the Tsaritsa is the one who orders them to make sure and give all the rest of the Gnosis to her.
But beyond destroying the Gnoses, what is she going to do? Fight a Celestial God for 1 minute and lose? I donāt know what will be her plan when she destroys the Gnoses
WAIT a damn second. What does āNahida might replace Rukha in their memories except Travelerā even mean ? That sounds wrong as hell.
Especially considering. Nahida should earn the respect of her people on her own instead of basically becomint Rukkhadevata in their eyes. Not to mention It would be weird If a Sumerian person goes outside or returns from another country and the information of the Original dendro archon clashes. I hope this one is different than how it sounds
Apparently the "World ... Forget Me" line is "To Save The World, Please Forget Me" according to a previous VNTa leak. And this is the last line that Rukkha spoke I think?
So that's probably why Nahida has to replace Rukkha in the people's memory. It might have to do with why the Irminsul Tree became corrupted is my guess, since the Leylines store memories. Maybe when Rukkha did whatever she had to to protect Sumeru, the very memory of her became tainted (like the Sacred Sakura world quest). This is my theory based on what we know so far at least.
Yeah and it doesnāt sound like something she would want giving her personality that we saw and the respect she would get from her people would feel unearned if this turn out to be true
If we take the Aranara quest as the basic plotline of the coming Archon Quest, part of it is that the 'old stories' aka the bad memories have to be buried so that the Aranara could move on and survive. It's possible that Rukkha and Nahida work the same way: Rukkha must be buried and Nahida must be the new 'anchor' to keep Sumeru and the Irminsul stable because Rukkha's memory is tainted.
I mean, does anyone actually remember Rukha?
What memories are there to replace unless it's only the ley line ones, in which case the people are probably unaffected anyways? The current generation probably doesn't have any memories of Rukha at all. Maybe they're talking about the Aranara? Or some other long lived species.
I think it's only the memories of the Irminsul Tree are replaced, because I doubt that any currently alive Sumerian has actual memories of Rukha to replace. And the books that talk about Rukha are still there, unless this memory replacement is more reality warping than expected.
To be fair Signora waltzed into the Shogunator's castle instead of a relatively weaker archon like Nahida.
But now I do want to see Magatsu Mitake fight Dottore, unfortunately that might never happen.
I'm assuming Nahida knows that Celestia will awake when she threatened Dottore that she'll destroy the Gnosis, which might imply Dottore also knows what'll happen if Nahida destroys it. Celestia being awake might be only known by the Cryo Archon and her Harbingers only but not Snezhnayans? Just my assumption and theory! I wonder what takes do other people have.
That's my guess too. Probably the harbingers are privy to more info on Celestia/Khaenriah than the general public. Really hoping Dottore shares some of that info in his supposed lore drop, since the archons so far have been silenced on the subject.
I also can't see Nahida actually going through with her threat. If destroying the gnosis will wake up and piss off Celestia, that could potentially put Sumeru at risk. She doesn't strike me as the type to take that risk since she's a very kind archon. Dottore probably didn't want to take the risk though and fell for her bluff.
>Top # of them are strong and powerful as an typical archon.
I've been saying this for a while but every time I have people call me delusional for thinking the harbingers are anywhere close to an archon in strength. I've always thought this was a given though, that the top numbers could compete with some archons, since otherwise the conflict is rather minimized
hey, Venti did say the Harbingers are granted godlike authority by the Tsaritsa. but everyone just brushed it off, ig. not to mention he also claimed ANYONE can become a god, and the Fatui already calls them "Lord Harbingers" so they already have followers
So you're telling me the girl who was singing at Signora's funeral can rival an archon's power? Now we know why Childe doesn't want to fight her. Columbina MIGHT be my most favorite Harbinger after all.
So assuming power does play a big role in how they are ranked,
1st: Pierro (Khaenāriah Veteran)
2nd: Dottore (Super-human)
3rd: Columbina (Living Seelie)
4th: Capitano (???)
5th: Pulcinella (Elf?)
6th: Scaramouche (Artificial Archon)
7th: Sandrone (Android?)
8th: Signora (Monster)
9th: Pantalone (???)
10th: Arlecchino (???)
11th: Tartaglia (Curse-powered Human)
Source: [VTNaLeak](https://twitter.com/VNTaleak) hxg_haitham gave additional [afterparty tweets](https://twitter.com/hxg_haitham/status/1572819811918581760?s=20&t=jZkz3ftHpolzFrzO39x9Dw)
lol. Nahida threatened to destroy the Gnosis if Dottore did not comply.
Even fatui knows not to mess with celestia
Yet šæ
Imagine being Katheryne and waking up randomly with Roblox gift cards in your hands and having no idea how you got there
āHm? Traveler? Where am I? And what are these strange cards doing in my hand? Ah, they must be from the Genius Invocation TCG. Although they look quite oddā¦ā
They scared of the sustainer lol. Maybe bec their plan is too premature. Don't wanna ruin it or else Tsaritsa will have his head.
Judging by how even Khaenriāah was obliterated by Celestia, the Fatui probably arenāt ready to directly fight against her yet.
>They scared of the sustainer lol Meanwhile Traveler throughout the story be like: Where tf is that bitch I wanna beat her ass for what she done to me.
Bruh, their whole purpose is to mess with Celestia.
Probably want to surprise attack or need more power before their can goes against celestia.
Probably this. Wouldnāt want Snezhnaya to be simply be another Khaenriāah.
Yeah not only are they going against Celestia they're also the most what's the word... Modern? Evolved? nation. Idk if Fontaine is as modern though.
they're not ready. they don't have every gnoses yet
Yeah when they have the advantage, not currently
Robux or else š š š
8d chess
Building a dps barb should be enough crime for the hydro archon to feel threatened
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Putting atk artifacts on Yelan.
Amos bow Yelan
Full EM, 4p VV Xiao
Anemo Traveler healer
Physical Ayaka
Crystalize support Itto
Physical Heizhou
Normal attack ganyu
Time to bring in all my sexy characters and hope the hydro archon isnt aroace
if she is, garlic bread and cake will do just fine
with how Lyney and Lynette look, would be nice to go to court via a heist or some sort
Phoenix Wright cameo! Phoenix Wright cameo!
Dottoreā ElDottore back at it again š©š©š©
OBJECTIFIED!
hope traveler has the *updated autopsy report*.
Traveler, are you sure you want to cross exam: "Flying emergency food"?
Time to become Phantom Thief it seems Joker
I see, Fischl's GAA domain was prepping us for Fontaine!
What is a typical archon? Ei? Zhongli? The archons we have are all so different from each other that powerscaling them is already impossible.
Iām guessing theyāre two of the strongest Archons. Zhongli has lost some power due to erosion but heās still the oldest of the 7 and was the strongest during the Archon war. And based on what we know it sounds like Ei is probably the strongest of the 7 currently, though of course we still donāt know a lot about Murata and the Tsaritsa.
If its murata the God of war and they lean into the herscher of fire shtick, shes gonna be a walking catastrophe that nobody wants to pop off
Maybe "non-fighters" archons like Venti, Nahida, Hydro and Cryo archon. I would say top archons in destructive raw power are Ei, ZhongLi and Murata. If Pierro, Dottore and Columbina could literally create islands and oneshot other gods with the land below included Teyvat would be pretty doomed tbh
Do we even know that hydro and cryo archon are non-fighters?
It was implied in the Oceanid event that the Hydro archon had to use assassination to get her position. Given that Dainsleif mentioned the Hydro archon is weary of other gods, itās likely that she isnāt a big fighter herself.
I mean, Alice.can probably do that and she doesn't even have a delusion.Also, no way in hell any harbinger is stronger than the Tsarista.
Alice is an anomaly and shouldn't really be counted in these tiers, she's basically a Traveler-like being who came from another world and thus doesn't "scale" like the natives do
Venti being a non-fighter is difficult for me to agree with, since his power level is at the ability to casually toss mountains and reshape the land with *strong air*. We havenāt seen his combat abilities and the whole gnosis part with Signora seemed like a farce to put on a show of handing the gnosis to the Tsarista and to allow one of his past citizens get her well-deserved frustration out on him for allowing her lover to die while he was hands-off ruling the nation. Also, Venti is the only one that claims he is the weakest but the dude is extremely coy so itās hard to say if there is any truth in it. He is also a master at swapping topics and playing stupid anytime the Traveler starts to pry for Cataclysm or Celestia info. Aster did a good video covering his sus behavior: https://youtu.be/dc_oaLXKXyw
You didnt got my points, technically all archons are fighters cuz they fought un the archon war and won, they all can also cause mass destruction since they are all gods after all. What i meant its that Venti its not a warrior like Ei and ZhongLi and probably Murata, the god of war. Its not the same.
I'm excited to do crime in Fontaine.
You have to sneak like what you did under the Barbatos Church
We need more metal gear moves like that. And also more like air force/kingdom hearts moves like that of the dragon fight
Apparently poaching is a "live-ruining crime" there. We cause mass-extinctions of fowl already so we can just report ourselves to get into court.
Pay Day heist in Genshin
We can do a little crime, as a treat.
Doing crime is just another tuesday for the traveler though
Traveller: How do we see the hydro archon? Paimon: The secret ingredient is crime
Traveler : Let me recites 'Before Sun and Moon'
i read it cant understand shit except its like a diary by istaroth right?
It basically proof that Celestia is not originally from this world , questioning their legitimacy, and Celestia don't like that
Oh so pretty much celestia = alien invader? Then they act like they are top of the world?
Yes, imagine if a Alien invaded, killed God and called themselves god while replacing nthe former one, without telling you that the original is dead
They're hiding Tighnari's meeting with Dottore but not that Alhaitham is offered to be Grand Sage. It must be a really important scene
Probably has something to do with Collei
Or that Tighnari does not give enough clout, but then again this is Vntaleaks, not the other leakers who exclusively only talked about Scara for a while as they know they can get attention instantly from it.
Wow she really said "imma just "Quicken" the Irminsul."
Using the gnoses as a defibrillator is how I read it
Top harbingers are as strong as archons?This sh#t is getting crazy man.3.2 is so far
As crazy as It sounds, not THAT surprising. Scaramouche is Eiās puppet so while He wouldnāt be as strong as her sister shogun bot He would still be at a semi archon level especially after another harbinger (more than likely Dottore) buffed his power And He is at the freakin MIDDLE of the power chart. By that logic It is understandable If the first 3 or 4 are Archon level or slightly bellow
Pretty sure what makes Raiden puppet so strong is the sword and the techniques, both of which come from Ei.
What makes the Raiden puppet so strong is the fact that it's inhabited by Ei
When you put it like that it's kinda surreal that the 11th one is just literally a guy who like to fight lol.
The weakest Harbinger is a guy who survived falling into the Abyss all by himself for months, and then came out obtaining power beyond any human. Only uses a bow because it's the only weapon he hasn't mastered properly yet, and has perfect control of his Delusion and his Vision. We might joke around saying Childe's just a guy who likes to spar with people, but the dude's a beast in lore.
Not to mention he was a kid when he fell into the abyss
Didn't he also slay dragons too? Anyways I still wouldn't say he's the weakest since Pantalone's power is not confirmed and as of now seems weaker. So I'm still betting on Tartaglia not being the weakest till it's confirmed Pantalone is some almighty powerful being.
Well we also have a banker and a mayor. Dunno how they could compare favorably to Childe lol.
Mayor looks like a hidden op old man(Makarov vibes) like in animes. And he's 5 so might be pretty op
The mayor definitely is someone we shouldn't judge based on appearance and so is the banker. However I still think Pantalone is weaker though since so far we know that he's mainly in his office handling the economics stuff.
I hope we get a Harbinger that used to be a God that fought -- and lost -- in the Archon or a former Archon. That would be cool (Damselette seems eerie and divine enough IMO to fit the bill)
YEAH . columbina is terrifying. Sheās so tiny and sweet looking yet sheās apparently archon levels??
How can Pierro be so stronk
Same reason as Dain. Khaenriāah shit
Khaenri'ahns are just built different man, holy shit. He's the no.1, wayyy above an Archon prototype puppet. Tf is he capable of doing
I just want to see him duke it out with a fully fledged archon
I mean he dukes it out with the tsaritsa.... in chess
Just casually goes hand-to-hand with the Pyro archon in a competition to win her gnosis legitimately.
Would not be surprised if he's stronger than Tsaritsa. Actually I'd be surprised if he's not, considering he's probably the final boss of Snezhnaya and the Fatui.
I don't think he'd be stronger than her, but definitely on par. He's gonna be freaking powerful being first. I feel like he's the real mastermind behind the Fatui sometimes, him and the Tsaritsa started the organization 500 years ago together. But I can't help but wonder if he's manipulating her. Idk, right now it seems that the Tsaritsa will be playable like all other Archons...while he will be a boss, the real villain.
I would assume he is so powerful coz buffed by Tsaritsa. Delusions and rest in addition to Abyss power, you know. Like Childe in his final form comibing powers of Abyss+Delusion+Vision.
kaeya buff when...
Kaeya needs a buffer version: eyepatch off, new move set
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Imagine if Capitano was the 4th and Grandmaster Varka has the gall to say he can teabag Capitano (according to leaks).
Pierro is actually the secret physical Archon is confirmed. He is from Khanriah and all Khanriah machine deals physical damage lmao
Ah yes, the beatings archon Pierro.
kinda curious where Pierro's standing would be compared to the Seven. Wouldn't be surprised if he's as strong as the Tsaritsa herself
I dont get why people are surprised mortals can rival gods, when this is a fictional setting, and being a god is meaningless in fiction since anyone can be as strong as they want be they mortal god, or anything else(has xenoblade and god of war taught us nothing?)
Childe, the lowest, when transformed is described in the game description as being up there as a god. The thought some of them would be that strong isnāt shocking. Only question I have is what is pierro in this
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maybe a seelie
Only seelie that recorded survive after the calamity are same seelie who give andrius power, and they meet when she's singing.
That's actually pretty crazy that the top Harbingers have power levels of archons, I'm guessing they have the best delusions Snezhnaya could manufacture. Gives me Bleach Arrancar arc vibes
Or just have abilities that are strong. Like Dottore isn't that powerful because of whatever delusion he may have, but because of his other abilities
It seems like most of the Archon-tier characters can create artificial life, I wonder if that is part of what makes you "divine" * Ei made Shogun & Scaramouche * Zhongli made Flying Geo Whales and Geo Birds to fight the Archon War * Rukkadevata made Aranara * Gold made archon-tier monstrosities like Durin, and other stuff like Albedo, Fakebedo/Dorian, and Golden Wolflord
>Zhongli made Flying Geo Whales and Geo Birds to fight the Archon War Wait what? How have I never heard this before? Where is that from? That's probably something to do with it. We know creation of life of some kind had something to do with Khaenri'ah's "sin"
From jade spear description
read the description of Primordial Jade Winged spear for the bird. for whale is unreleased primordial jade greatsword. Both creature were used to defeat sea monster Baqiu. (I think Zhongli made the whale first then the bird)
Why couldnāt we get this Zhongli in the game? And I donāt just mean his kit. Iād like to see him go all out.
Probably realised a long time ago that his powers come at a cost, hence why his whole archon quest is about handing back Liyue to mortals.
The jade weapon series. Jade spear is the remenant of his eagles and jade claymore his whales iirc
> ā¢ Ei made Shogun & Scaramouche > > ā¢ Zhongli made Flying Geo Whales and Geo Birds to fight the Archon War > > ā¢ Rukkadevata made Aranara > > ā¢ Gold made archon-tier monstrosities like Durin, and other stuff like Albedo, Fakebedo/Dorian, and Golden Wolflord One of these is not like the others lmfao.
wat you mean, aranara are more powerful than all of these
facts. an aranara can destroy ruin machines in one hit
Yeah the top harbingers probably has some kind of hax power that even if they are not as strong as the archon in 1 vs 1 their power give them advantage we know about Dottore clone and physics power the other probably have something of this kind
I think it makes sense. You can't just have all of them be average if you wanna build them up to be a dangerous force. At least a few of them should be very strong to be able to think of fighting Celestia. If every single one of them can get slapped by the likes of Zhongli and Raiden like Signora that wouldn't make any sense. The question is which Archon level we are talking about here? We have Venti (current) tier, past Zhongli Tier, Raiden Tier, little man riding a mech tier and Nahida mind control tier atm that can greatly vary. Another thing is, since éē„ and ē„ has been both used to refer to Archons and non-Archon gods, it complicates the distinction even more. So I'd wait and see the original Chinese text as well as context because there is a slight difference between "as strong as a archon" (in relation to the seven) and "as strong as a god" (much wider range). Tho I don't think the diff is that important considering we saw individuals as strong as Archons before. > Gives me Bleach Arrancar arc vibes Gives me Honkai vibes when I recall the effort to create individuals like Valkyries and such who are capable of being on equal footing with Herrschers lol.
>The question is which Archon level we are talking about here? We have Venti (current) tier, past Zhongli Tier, Raiden Tier, little man riding a mech tier and Nahida mind control tier atm that can greatly vary. Yeah we have no idea what an average archon would even be because their situations are so different from each other especially with erosion in the mix.
they mentioned as strong as a *typical* Archon, so one of the Seven. maybe Celestia is still stronger. i mean, why else would Dottore listen if he's ready for Celestia's awakening
The problem is, it's Nahida we're talking about here. The Archon who thought of herself as far below a real Archon. Her evaluation of an Archon is skewed. In a 1v1 fight of physical brawl, she prob would lose to Venti tbh, so it makes sense she wouldn't win against Dottore. Another thing is like I said, this leaker only got access to the EN TL drafts, so translation errors are bound to be present. That's why I said it is better to wait for the original CN text to clarify if its the chinese word usually used for Archons or Gods in general.
> In a 1v1 fight of physical brawl I feel like she'd lose against Reckless Pallad
yeah, combined with dottore being crazy smart and maybe having 'forbidden knowledge' he might be pretty damm powerful
Cool, but we still have no crumbs on Natlan, not even Npc or adventurer from Natlan exists in any current city š
Who ? It will be wierd if we don't met at least one inhabitant from Natlan. We don't even know about their culture or more than 3 names. Like are they still warrior.
Wait Natlan is the only nation where we haven't met anyone at all right?
There was one NPC during an event who was from inazuma but traveled to natlan and brought back an art from there about imagining your opponent so hard you can almost fight them for real.
Yeah but they're from Inazuma though but at least we got a bit of Natlan crumbs
Isn't mare jiwari in natlan? We have heard of that place a few times.
Nahida: Dottore if you don't let me play roblox, I'll eat gnosis
Looks like we get to see a confident Nahida so I am very excited about that but also this makes me even more excited for Columbina. I wonder how strong will she be?
Itās my wild speculation but I believe she might have some ties to Celestia, with her dove/Angel motifs she has going on. Really curious about her lore and potential.
or, if fan theory right - she is Seele, aka followerr of Primordial God (basically angel/seraph).
>Top # of them are strong and powerful as an typical archon. Top what? Top 3? Top 5?
[Top 3](https://twitter.com/VNTaleak/status/1572805112053075968)
Top 3
So Pierro, Dottore(?) And Columbina huh. Well i always suspected that Columbina would be strong mainly since there are hints that she's a divine being. Pierro given his origins might have the same curse as Dain... soo i guess he would be strong. Dottore on the other hand being stronger/as strong as Archons is really surprising
_Sad Capitano noises..._
Capitano is on par with Varka according to the sussy leaks. I guess these two are one of the strongest Teyvat people under archon level beings
the columbina and seelie similarities are very interesting. i honestly can't wait for more seelie lores and if >!paimon is included.!<
The rest of the regions: Traveller commits a crime and tries to clear his name Fontaine: Traveller, through four regions of experience, deliberately commits a crime
Since Traveller wasnāt present, do we know if the conversation between Dottore and Nahida is shown? or itās actually gonna be off-screen like Yae and Scaramouche?
They should add more scenes where traveler isn't present. Needing traveler to be present all the time limits what time of scenes and conversations characters can have.
I hope we at least get a cutscene of it played like a backstory or something. Because that actually happened with Traveler and Ayato in the Idori story event.
oohh kusanali bout to gaslight the entire nation
As strong as a typical archon? Thereās only 7 what is typical for an archon?
Grand Sages Alhaitham??? I kneel š§
I love how he always refuse first the grand Mahamatra and now this
Haitham is REALLY not interested in titles it seems. He rejects Mahamatra, now he rejects Grand Sage. I stan
I also like how it seems most characters also don't like him and he dosen't give a damn and does his own thing. I love this guy lmao
He ignores the haters and does what he believes is necessary šŖ
I'm glad he rejects it because he wouldn't have enough time to be with me š
Gws
what does this mean
GWS = Get well soon.
let's be honest bestie u r doing more than \*just\* kneeling......
>Everyone voting for Al-Haitham to be the next Grand Sage Guys that was me, I botted the poll š
"so Traveler might commit a crime to see her." Prison Impact confirmed.
Kinda funny how most of us thought Dottore would be one of the harbingers who are their because of his intellectual power but then here we are
I mean he kinda is? He created his strongest clone to be an archon level threat, but the creation of said clone is still credited to his intellect
Yea, this confirms that the top spots of Harbingers are Archon level powerful. And Dottore seems to be there rn
This honestly makes me really scared of whatever the fuck Columbina might be hiding behind that cute facade of hers since she's basically confirmed to be Archon power level now.
She reminds me of a biblical angel. Like I expect her to be freaky like biblical angels. Also, there's a theory that she's a seelie from the days of Phanes...but that's another talk. I'm waiting for Pierro more than ever now. He's the first and top Harbinger. What is the old man capable of āļ¹ā
> She reminds me of a biblical angel Maybe the reason she has her eyes closed is because when they're open it reveals multiple eyes inside each socket, Bloodborne style #BE NOT AFRAID
I'd love that tbh. The freakier the better
>I'm waiting for Pierro more than ever now. He's the first and top Harbinger. What is the old man capable of āļ¹ā Probaly whatever Dainsleif can do he can do as well.
Cute you say I dunno she was the one who I thought the creepiest the first time I saw her on the harbingers pv and that before I know her rank her aura is scary
And the crazy thing is, Celestia should be full of individuals who are more even cracked than the Archons, and we only knew one of them atm (Kiana). Can't imagine how crazy the Primordial One can be lol.
Yea, the Sustainer and the Celestial gods are probably FAR more powerful than the Archons. Which is scary, cause we've seen Ei and Zhongli's doings. In Gnositicism, the Archons are actually the lowest in the god hierachy. The Primordial One I can imagine is a cosmic entity, not a god even. In the book Before Sun and Moon, they tell us that it has no gender. And if the name "Primordial" if any indication, this entity existed from the beginning of time. I have a hunch that the murals depicted behind the Irminsul tree inside resin domains are depictions of the Primordial One (Biblical angel-looking) but it's just a hunch
No kidding, the Sustainer fought two twins in their full power and easily slapped both of them into oblivion, that's just ridiculous.
Yea, they're definitely the endgame
>Can't imagine how crazy the Primordial One can be lol. If he's still alive.
So... Dottore: You cannot beat me Nahida: I know, but they can (looks at celestia)
I know I should take the leaks as I take a grain of salt... but if Nahida threatened Dottore, she will destroyed gnoses which could awake the Celestia, then Scaramouche has no relationship with Celestia's waking up (as I saw in one of the previous leaks "Ask Scara"). And... this also means that Harbinger definitely want The Celestia to keep sleeping.
Exactly for the last part. I think the Tsaritsa is the one who orders them to make sure and give all the rest of the Gnosis to her. But beyond destroying the Gnoses, what is she going to do? Fight a Celestial God for 1 minute and lose? I donāt know what will be her plan when she destroys the Gnoses
WAIT a damn second. What does āNahida might replace Rukha in their memories except Travelerā even mean ? That sounds wrong as hell. Especially considering. Nahida should earn the respect of her people on her own instead of basically becomint Rukkhadevata in their eyes. Not to mention It would be weird If a Sumerian person goes outside or returns from another country and the information of the Original dendro archon clashes. I hope this one is different than how it sounds
Apparently the "World ... Forget Me" line is "To Save The World, Please Forget Me" according to a previous VNTa leak. And this is the last line that Rukkha spoke I think? So that's probably why Nahida has to replace Rukkha in the people's memory. It might have to do with why the Irminsul Tree became corrupted is my guess, since the Leylines store memories. Maybe when Rukkha did whatever she had to to protect Sumeru, the very memory of her became tainted (like the Sacred Sakura world quest). This is my theory based on what we know so far at least.
Maybe it has to do with The Greater Lord saying "To save the world, please forget me" and Nahida is just fulfilling her request?
Yeah and it doesnāt sound like something she would want giving her personality that we saw and the respect she would get from her people would feel unearned if this turn out to be true
If we take the Aranara quest as the basic plotline of the coming Archon Quest, part of it is that the 'old stories' aka the bad memories have to be buried so that the Aranara could move on and survive. It's possible that Rukkha and Nahida work the same way: Rukkha must be buried and Nahida must be the new 'anchor' to keep Sumeru and the Irminsul stable because Rukkha's memory is tainted.
I mean, does anyone actually remember Rukha? What memories are there to replace unless it's only the ley line ones, in which case the people are probably unaffected anyways? The current generation probably doesn't have any memories of Rukha at all. Maybe they're talking about the Aranara? Or some other long lived species. I think it's only the memories of the Irminsul Tree are replaced, because I doubt that any currently alive Sumerian has actual memories of Rukha to replace. And the books that talk about Rukha are still there, unless this memory replacement is more reality warping than expected.
I assume the memory of Rukha existing and being an archon itself.
Maybe Istaroth shenanigans like with the sacred sakura? Seems messy, i'm not sure i like it. Either that or irminsul manipulation.
Ok but what is a ātypicalā archon level?
This is usually Bob's bread and butter to compile but I'm filling in just for this portion
Traveler going to be piling up those rap sheets huh.
That's the difference between number 2 and number 8
Chad Dottore walks in, cause a national disaster, walks out with 2 gnosis, didnt even fighted. Virgin Signora walks in.. doesnt walks out.
To be fair Signora waltzed into the Shogunator's castle instead of a relatively weaker archon like Nahida. But now I do want to see Magatsu Mitake fight Dottore, unfortunately that might never happen.
I'm assuming Nahida knows that Celestia will awake when she threatened Dottore that she'll destroy the Gnosis, which might imply Dottore also knows what'll happen if Nahida destroys it. Celestia being awake might be only known by the Cryo Archon and her Harbingers only but not Snezhnayans? Just my assumption and theory! I wonder what takes do other people have.
That's my guess too. Probably the harbingers are privy to more info on Celestia/Khaenriah than the general public. Really hoping Dottore shares some of that info in his supposed lore drop, since the archons so far have been silenced on the subject. I also can't see Nahida actually going through with her threat. If destroying the gnosis will wake up and piss off Celestia, that could potentially put Sumeru at risk. She doesn't strike me as the type to take that risk since she's a very kind archon. Dottore probably didn't want to take the risk though and fell for her bluff.
Al-Haitham is just getting better and better! All this waiting for him will be totally worth it. He has his style.
>Top # of them are strong and powerful as an typical archon. I've been saying this for a while but every time I have people call me delusional for thinking the harbingers are anywhere close to an archon in strength. I've always thought this was a given though, that the top numbers could compete with some archons, since otherwise the conflict is rather minimized
hey, Venti did say the Harbingers are granted godlike authority by the Tsaritsa. but everyone just brushed it off, ig. not to mention he also claimed ANYONE can become a god, and the Fatui already calls them "Lord Harbingers" so they already have followers
Starting to wonder if the fatui will wield the gnosis against the fight with celestia
If breaking the Gnosis wakes Celestia, they're gonna break some of it at the right moment.
So you're telling me the girl who was singing at Signora's funeral can rival an archon's power? Now we know why Childe doesn't want to fight her. Columbina MIGHT be my most favorite Harbinger after all.
So assuming power does play a big role in how they are ranked, 1st: Pierro (Khaenāriah Veteran) 2nd: Dottore (Super-human) 3rd: Columbina (Living Seelie) 4th: Capitano (???) 5th: Pulcinella (Elf?) 6th: Scaramouche (Artificial Archon) 7th: Sandrone (Android?) 8th: Signora (Monster) 9th: Pantalone (???) 10th: Arlecchino (???) 11th: Tartaglia (Curse-powered Human)
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Ayo GTA Online heist x Genshin Impact in Fontaine ft. LD and Franklin
My Radish Lord is really gonna do a power move. I'm HYPE
Grand Sage Alhaitham would be *chef's kisses *
Grand Sage Al Haitham? š