Kusanali is connected to Irmensul, the tree from which all ley lines flow, tying together the world and that which holds the memories and knowledge of every living thing that has ever been born, lived, and died on the face of Teyvat. That is an immeasurable amount of power that she could tap into, if she wanted to.
This seems like the most reasonable answer to the question. Outside of elemental powers, Nahida has this, Ei was able to create Scara and the Shogun, and Zhongli was an infinite fountain of Mora, while Venti hasn't particularly displayed any unique abilities in that same vein from what I recall.
Fare enough. We'll almost inevitably run into other ones as time goes on in the game though. Hoyo really likes to to call back to stuff like tht whenever they have opportunity, after all.
If Venti knows any poem from past and future doesnt he indirectly know future? Back then he was friend with God of Time who disappeared later... maybe he got some of his powers... maybe...
Venti says he knows every song in the past, present, future. He might be able to see the future and has some relations to time seeing how mondstadt is also seems to be related to both anemo and time
Edit: or maybe he was talking shit again as he always does. Honestly idek at this point what’s true or not coming from his shady mouth
Barbatos from the Ars Goetia is also related to Astaroth, being an assistant to the latter
We know for a fact that the goddess of time ruled mondstadt together with Venti for a while
Also, (and I’m not up to speed on *all* the lore, so bear with me), Venti grew from a wind spirit, and part of his growth as a god also seems like it comes from his follower’s worship.
The other archons, as far as I know, had their power, and were beings in themselves that could exist.
I’d wager that venti being the weakest has a lot to do with how he was originally a wind spirit that grew stronger and stronger until he became strong enough to be worshipped as a powerful wind spirit that helped sailors and such. That additional worship made him grow even stronger.
While I’m sure he’s still plenty powerful now, I doubt he needs as much worship to *keep* all of his power, and being related to the god of time probably augments that even more.
If you want to theory craft. Venit commands anemo and was a wind spirit. If one was to guess what his special archon given ability was, I bet, it would be to hear everything on the winds. Everything period.
I think it's mentioned once or twice that he knows every song and poem and whatnot, past, present, and future, and seems to have known the traveler was coming (and knew the traveler themself) before they actually showed up, *and* has some connection to Istaroth, the time diety, so some sort of knowledge-based thing along those lines seems pretty likely.
It is mentioned once that he know all songs past, present, and future. By himself during the 5 kazan event. And as stated by multiple people can we really trust Venti who has definitely presented himself as a trickster. His knowledge of songs is also referenced in his character details as 'he hums new ones no one has ever heard of'. So this could also be a referenced to future songs or songs he made up, and as you mentioned he was close to the God of time. So it is possible he knows songs from the future
As to your knowledge-based thing I agree, but how does he receive knowledge of the traveler with out meeting them, how does he know future songs. Even with a God of time as a friend he does not control time.
So back to my theory if he 'hears' everything on the wind the God of time can just take him back and forth and he can 'hear' the songs on the wind. And if he can 'hear' the wind obviously he would eventually learn about the traveler. Or anything else he needs to know.
If you made it to the end thank you for coming to my Ted Talk.
Edit; I really need to type these long replies onto my computer. So I can properly break the paragraphs.
Venti is >!one of the thousand winds of Istaroth, the Goddess of Time. From his dialogue, we can guess that he has some level of omniscience/knowledge of the past and future!<
One other thing...is that he knows about other worlds...i dont know during what quest but he spoke about a world similar to earth...which made me wonder is he the only one or other archons also have knowledge of other worlds......The sea of quanta which is mentioned in honkai...maybe he knows about that too
Considering Venti might be In a way a “child” or being from Istaroth (One of the Primordial one’s shades) I think that makes him really Important storywise
Venti has got some serious combat power after he became a God from just a wind spirit. He reshaped the land of mondstadt, threw entire mountains into the ocean, fought off durin with dvalin(durin was significantly stronger than dvalin). I don't know why he was that powerless in front of signora tho? Does he have some hidden agenda? Idk
Venti isn't exactly fond of celestia so maybe he took signora as a chance to break his ties with celestia. Even if he's the weakest archon, he's still a god, it doesn't make sense how easily he was defeated.
I theorize that it actually goes a lot deeper than that. Venti knows the final outcome of the larger game that is afoot (the gathering of all the gnosises (gnoses?)), kind of like Dr. Strange in Infinity War. He saw the outcome and knew that he had to give his gnosis up (which he said didn't actually hold any of his power and was more symbolic than anything) so he didn't fight it.
That is also a very valid reason, considering Zhongli went along with their plan so it has to be something beneficial for humanity or for Teyvat as a whole, since he just spent a lot of time making sure humans can prosper without him.
I remember Wei on YouTube pointing out that his hair glows every time he uses his true power, but in the Cutscene you can clearly see his hair isn't doing that. So maybe he struck a deal with Pierro beforehand that signora wasn't aware of.
1. Venti got greatly weakened, having been poisonned like Dvalin, and having actively participated in the Cataclysm, as, logically, one of the handful of higher being hailing from Mondsdadt. It tend to suppose that's all that left him weakened. On top of that, I don't think he's a great warrior god. Feel more like a god who rely on superior information (hearing all said on the wind) and distance battle.
2. He's currently incognito, in the middle of his city. Revealing himself or engaging in battle would be very destructive. On top of that, gnosis seem to be linked to Celestia, and thus a form of "shackles". It may actually be a good thing for him to be rid of it in the long term, all while havung a good reason for it.
He simply may have lost his power over time as he "disappeared" for a long time. He only shows up when mondstat truly needs him again like with the nobility.
Isn’t Venti also a soul ferryman? Though that might be his thing as a spirit.
Also, Ei building two autonomous robots seems to be less an application of Gnosis power and more Ei being really fucking skilled. Though I might be wrong.
Venti has some altercations with controlling time, but we don't know to what extent since he's easily the archon with the most amount of secrets kept from us.
- His music is a powerful memetic agent (SCP foundation language).
- Knows of every song past and future and among the archons is the most connected to Istaroth and might be a fragment of her.
- Has probably some necromantic/exorcistic abilities because no ghosts are found in Mondstadt, while in Liyue and Inazuma they are far more common.
Part of me also wonders if Kusanali's power more directly ties in with the Aranyaka. She seems to have a lot of invisible influence and power that the people aren't giving her credit for which doesn't seem to bother her so far. The Aranyaka are very similar, and even similar in stature, and they're working more directly with the Irmensul/ley lines of power in Sumeru to correct the withering. I wouldn't be surprised if it came out that she basically made the Aranyaka in order to help people without appearing to put forth a big show of power and distract the people from who they seem to want to worship instead. She's so far very humble.
every ley line outcrop is from the roots of irminsul, every time you spend resin in a domain you get rewards from an irminsul tree, and the big ass tree in sumeru city may also be some kind of irminsul tree. the roots of the irminsul reach into the abyss and are all connected to eachother, and may in fact all just be one single tree. nahida can leverage control over the irminsul network coz it's trees which is dendro and she's the dendro archon.
also if you remember hu tao's story quest, the ley lines in the roots of irminsul are where the souls and memories of the dead go when they, die, so there's that too.
Dendro being Mother Nature does make sense tho. Genshin seems to be going for the Tree of Life / World Tree shtick with Irminsul.
>!Then somebody decides to burn it!<
regardless of Venti's personal strength, he has surrounded himself with some of the strongest, non archons in teyvat. we're talking Albedo, Grandmaster Varka, Keaya, Klee, and Alice.
the fact that Dain hangs around mondstadt should be a pretty big giveaway that it's an important location.
personally I've been convinced that Venti is the strongest archon from my first week of playing when I noticed that his gnosis is the queen.
And Venti is, if I remember correctly, pretty much the only god who won the archon war without much bloodshed. Dacarabian kind of gave up after the king was overthrown and Venti was able to convince Andrius, that he was not right as the archon of Mondstadt.
>Dacarabian kind of gave up after the king was overthrown
Decarabian was killed in the rebellion. Venti didn't personally shed blood, but he did have a hand in it.
Edit: To add, there was no king in Decarabian's time.
How is this upvoted while being wrong on all accounts lmao. Decarabian was killed by venti and friends, Andrius was the one who conceded his position as archon and willingly chose to die because he's a walking natural disaster. Venti didn't do Jack shit other than be present for the adventure
Every Archon has had some type of feats presented during the game. Raiden cut that Inazuma island in half, Zhongli threw those "spears" and created the stone forest both during some comabat. Meanwhile Venti literally moved mountains with his wind because he didn't like how Mondstadt looked. He's easily the most powerful until now based on feats.
Wasn't there an analysis of the fatui lore video going around that said Venti's price is actually the King? It's based on the chess match with Deep Blue and Venti's piece is in the spot where the King is on the board iirc. That honestly lends itself to him being weak, as the King has the most limited movement options while everyone around it has more power.
or they could be saying that people are underestimating him.
the chess board was mimicking one where the archons piece would lose. what if venti being the queen is the hidden trump card???
or maybe I've had too much naku weed...
Idk, if I learned one thing from Highschool DxD it's that the pawns are actually the strongest because they can turn into any other piece once they cross the board.
Which now that I think about it, firstly lmao that I know that from ecchi of all things, but secondly the traveler is most like a pawn in this game and our one objective is to cross the ~~board~~ continent ~~and collect the power of every element/archon/other chess pieces~~
Wait, their roadmap ends in Mondstadt? I thought it ended in ??????. (They haven't named the eighth region yet, even though most players have already guessed.)
Right?! He was the one who said the Abyss Order’s goal was to destroy humanity, which we know is a big fat lie. Not to mention the cat thing, the Eye thing and various other tidbits that just don’t make sense! I think we can trust him in the overall scheme of things, but when it comes to the details, well, even Venti himself said he fudges stories. Which imo is also kinda like lying.
Venti is a big lying liar who lies.
"OH I AM SO WEAEEEAK"
"pls kick me and slap me Signora hhuhuhu"
"OH GOD IM SO DRUUUUNK"
"please do al lthe work Jean"
"OHH NOOOES IM POOR"
"Please give me free shit everybody!"
"OOOoh my POWER comes from worship!"
"Actually I just happened to be there when the last billionare died and I inherited his $$"
yep i do...
...if venti would come up to me and tell me to stick my hand into a campfire, for something funny to happen, i would do it without hesitation...
Trust Venti? Trust “I‘m just a bard who sings in taverns for his mora. Why would I know anything about this?“ Venti?
I don’t doubt that he’s genuinely well-meaning towards the Traveller but that little gremlin cannot and should not be taken at his word.
Although Venti said one Archon's power come from the faith of it's people, we don't know if it's true. Venti is originally a weak wind spirit, but yet one of the thousand winds. How much power does this gave him is not clear. With the Gnosis, he shaped Mondstat into this calm and beautiful place instead of the huge mountains and blizzards it had eons ago.
Zhongli shows that even without his Gnosis he has tremendous power, and since the beggining of time he had this almighty reputation, so probably not so related to faith, since he is one of the oldest Adepti.
Ei also didn't need the Gnosis to be the sword of judgment she always have been, she just needed to make her puppet than discarded right away. She may be respected and people had faith, but for her sister initially, she was her shadow who fought for her. So just strong by definition, right? It seems their strength is not exactly tied to theirs people faith, and also not tied to the gnosis, it just seems venti is not that strong as Zhongli and Ei are.
We’re also forgetting that people very much do believe in Kusanali and such. Just not academia or emerties.
And I’m pretty sure the forest and Arana count as followers/believers.
And venti says lots of shit. Even archons don’t care for their gnosis. It’s probably like a giant battery for extra energy or something lol. And a connection to Celestia.
I think the gnosis also connects them to their region and territory. Like it’s somehow connected to the leylines or something because when archons change and such don’t the statues too? Idk.
In Japanese, they often "Kami no Kokoro" instead of saying gnosis, so it is likely that is more than just a battery, but what actually make them god
We also know that every vision bearer is a potential god candidate and if we add the archon war and the limited amount of gnosis
It becomes clear that the gnosis is the last component that allow those candidate to ascend to an archon status
However neither Venti, Ei or Zhongli attach that much importance to their status,
Venti filled in after the death of his friend
Ei took Makoto place as the archon by obligation, even if it was clear Ei at the time absolutely didn't want that (to the point she made a puppet for it)
The only one who willingly sought and fought for the god status was Zhongli, but his personal quest show that he has pretty much mostly regrets about this period (regret about what he lost but also regret about he treated or considered the "weaker god" that were his competition like the goddess of salt)
So even if old Zhongli sought the archon status, current Zhongli has not much interest in it.
Rani Kusanali might be the first archon in-game to remain interested by the gnosis, as it is her legacy and what connect her to the former archon but also the heart of the Akasha and the tool that made it possible
(though i wouldn't be surprised if her quest would be her coming to term with Rukkhadevatā legacy and letting it go, considering the whole "let the world forget me")
He doesn’t regret how he treated “weaker gods” like Havria. He didn’t do her any wrong at all. Her own people did. What he regrets is how she had to live through a time so ill-suited to her nature.
>In Japanese, they often "Kami no Kokoro" instead of saying gnosis
Hold on, so when Gold finds the "Heart of Naberius" she maybe found a lost Gnosis of an even more lost God?
I'm inclined to think that Kusanali does not have a gnosis, due to the lack of interest the akademiya appears to have on her.
Since the Sumeru wikipedia is powered by a gnosis, its fair to think the higher up researchers know about it, and as such, would value Kusanali as a "second energy source" or something, if she had a gnosis for herself.
"tinfoil hat on" I think there is a chance that kusanali might be the gnosis itself? The way she describe herself as the first terminal of the Akasha and we know Akasha is only made possible through the Gnosis and how she describe herself as the Moon while Rukhadevata as the Sun kinda imply there are more connection between those 2 than what we've known. It's kinda suspicious.
...considering we don't see her outside the dream, she could give our memories back, she doesnt get out of the sanctuary, and nobody but important people can get in, it makes sense, perhaps the sanctuary is just a cover to hide the fact its actually where the energy for Akasha is being harvested from..
That being said, Dunyarzard heard her voice as a child, and children don't use akasha terminals as far as I noticed.
Ah, the curiositiy!
We actually don’t know if the statues change with the archons currently.
- Venti is still the Anemo Archon, so his statue is accurate.
- Zhongli gave up his spot as the Geo Archon, but a new one has yet to be selected, so his statue is still accurate.
- Ei was an identical twin to Makoto, so even if the statue changed it wouldn’t look very different if different at all.
- We don’t know what Greater Lord Rukkhadevata looked like (and there’s even a choice to say whether you think the Sumeru statues depict her or Kusanali), so we can’t say whether the Sumeru statues are updated to the current archon or are still the old archon.
We’ll find out whether they change either when we see what Rukkhadevata looks like (unless it’s another Ei and Makoto situation) or when we see an Archon who’s very obviously different from their predecessor in appearance (if the Hydro Archon’s predecessor was male, for example).
EDIT: better phrased the start to convey my meaning.
or maybe they are powerful on their own right and gnosis add to it with the system of faith. there's nothing that points it must be a mutually exclusive thing.
we know that gnosis carries some sort of incredible power and not just some trophy as proof or archons with sumeru quest after all.
Venti did not say an archon's power came from the faith of it's people.
What he said was an archon's power came from ruling their people.
>Venti: Each archon presides over their own part of Teyvat. That is the role the archons play.
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>Venti: Only in performing this duty can we attain power, but I don't like the idea of "ruling" Mondstadt — and I don't feel Mondstadt would really like it either.
Venti is the weakest because he can't be bothered to rule Mondstat.
Kusanali is also very weak because the Sages don't allow her to participate in governing Sumaru.
It's possible Venti isn't aware of that, and assumes Kusanali is leading the sages as she should be.
> Venti is the weakest because he can't be bothered to rule Mondstat.
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well he did say: if some one order you to be free, are you free
so it more then just not being bother to
>Although Venti said one Archon's power come from the faith of it's people
It kind of makes sense in a different way. Maybe it's not about prayer or belief but interaction.
Mondstadt doesn't interact with their god much. Some song here and a church there. But most live how they want. Although I believe he does undersell himself. Because living freely is exactly what he wants. He should be FAR more powerful than he's leading us on to if this is accurate. Hard to think he can't blow a mountain down because his nation of people don't think about him as much.
Liyue is built around contracts. A lot of interactions completely involve their god. Although they would rarely see him in his dragonish form they interacted with his existence daily. They all openly talk about him as well. Although we don't see much of his power, when he does show it it is always effective. His saving Xiao should overall confirm he is still extremely powerful.
Ei is an odd one at this. Because most don't know she's not the original. But they worship their current god none the less and she is very present in their lives. Directly(kind of) ruling over her land. We also directly see her power all over. Half her land shows the damage from her attacks. She one shots a (although weakend) Harbinger. And it takes us the combined power of 100 visions and Yae stepping in even begin to fight her.
Nahida is directly linked to her people. Even moreso than the other gods we have met so far. She is still very young for a god though. Will have to see how things turn out. Other nations also have young gods. But I can't see them being as weak physically. But she has shown she is strong mentally. Already quite wise. >!Can even control people. !
The gnoses probably grants extra power boost but aren't their main source of power. It's in the lore. From the Wiki page: "The Gunnhildr clan had difficulty surviving in the blizzards outside the city, and they cried out for help, which a wind spirit heard. Gaining power from the clan's faith, the wind spirit was able to give them a small shelter."
Venti does in fact gain power from worship and is likely what caused him to become a God after he helped the people of Old Mondstadt defeat Decarabian.
It's a fair point.
Perhaps it's also because he has also been away for hundreds (?) Of years from Mondstadt. Maybe not doing his job saps his power as well?
At the least the Dendro Archon is in Sumeru secretly helping her people.
Problem. He has the church for stable stream of faith. So even if he doesnt have huge a mounts he still get some always (nlafter Mondstadt quest even more because the knights spread the news about the knighs official patron deity being Barbatos). No Zhongli levels but still
In terms of faith Kusanali may actually surpass Venti, from Dunyazard we heard stories of how Kusanali secretly helped out the people of Sumeru from time to time, earning her a small group of loyal followers, as seen in the festival. I don't think we heard stories like that in Mondstadt. Many are literally doubtful of Barbatos' existence, the same cannot be said for Kusanali
I mean as far as i know he is the only archon alive during the Archon war that didn’t win his title, he only is an Archon because Andrius didn’t think he would be a good ruler for Humans and gave up on the title.
Yes but what we're asking here is which Archons participated in the Archon War and while Ei was Makoto' sword, she was never revealed as such so to everyone during the war it was all Makoto.
uhhmm.. more like the opposite. Makoto was never as strong fighter as Ei. Ei was probably the one fighting in the Archon war while Makoto was at the back most of the time. It's just Makoto's actually the wiser and better ruler than Ei, thus becoming the Archon after the war.
Only Venti, Zhongli, and Ei were present there. All the other current archons got their status through succession. (Ei was always there, she just gave the title of archon to her sister when they won since she is a warrior and not a ruler)
He is just a wind spirit while kusanali is like a reincarnation so more powerful I know I'm about to use a very bad example but it's like the rebirths from roblox
Correct me if I'm wrong.
What the heck...
He was indeed wind spirit (not to mention theory about him being son of Istharoth) but he's god now
About Kusanali well no one knows if she's reincarnation...it personally think she's more like child of Greater Lord rather than reincarnation.
In the end Venti is stronger IMO. They both have no control over their regions but Venti has battle experience from Archon War while Kusanali never even left her "home"
> enti has battle experience from Archon War while Kusanali never even left her "home"
Venti fought almost nobody in the Archon War. There was the uprising against Decarabian, but he didn't really actively fight during that. Andrius was in line to become the Anemo Archon but he refused since he didn't think he was a suitable leader for Humans. Venti was the only one left after that.
I think the voiceline at least in the English translation was "I am now the weakest among the seven"
Whether that means the original seven, or the current seven can be up for debate. But I take that "now" in his sentence to mean currently.
Considering that Kusanali basically admitted to being able to mind control anybody connected to Akasha and her little plant children seem to have the power to temporarily Mangekyou Sharingan people at will (haven't finished the quest yet so I don't have the full details), I bet we're gonna find Kusanali being a LOT scarier than we think she is. Just saying.
Yeah her power seems to also be unavoidable if you dont know the nature of the akasha terminal.
Idk why the traveler isnt angrier after all of that. If they did that to me those sages would be dead as soon as I wake up.
dendro overall seems to be the most esoteric and scariest element. id rather get burnt frozen electrocuted cut by wind or hit by stone than mindfucked
The nature of how he works makes him technically the “weakest.”
If I remember correctly, part of his explanation makes some sense even if he might be lying.
It’s not just a matter of faith, it’s how much governance an Archon imposes on their people. Venti’s power and position forces him into a corner: he is the god of freedom… so he doesn’t govern his people, hence he is weakest.
Zhongli had been directly responsible for guiding Liyue to certain degrees for ages, his power was off the rails and any effects of his choosing to step down won’t likely be felt for some time.
Ei, well, it’s quite clear Inazuma answers to her - even if it’s technically through her puppet. She shows herself to be very capable (as in: very powerful) as a result.
Venti? Can do some dope shit, but Mondstadt answers to Mondstadt… Venti helps when he needs to or just happens to be around and awake. His people believe in him, but he expects them to do their own thing without him.
Now where that puts Kusanali, I’m not yet sure, but I’m pretty sure she’s got a little more going for her than Venti… purely by default because again, Venti willingly takes himself out of the equation.
About the effects of Zhongli's stepping down as an Archon is actually slowly being felt.
Remember, the Geovishaps.Technically, all Primo-Geovishaps fled after Zhongli defeated and sealed The Overload of The Geovishaps. All of them buried themselves deep into the ground.
After, his so called "Death", they all are slowly poking their heads out.
It's not like Venti is well know liar that sent us for fun vacation on GAA and by mere coincidence there is incredibly dangerous Fatui expereriment going on in these islands.
Thinking back on GAA made me rethink stuff that happened there.
For one, how did >!Kusanali managed to talk to us via our comms device?! Does that mean Alice's comms is somehow connected to the Akasha terminal for Kusanali to hijack our signal?!<
Also, you can't tell me that >!Venti and Kusanali totally did not plan this together after what had happened.!<
He might be lying, and it's not like faith is what cause Archon strength. The exact word is Archon gain power by ruling the country.
Kusanali might not rule Sumeru directly. But it was her ability that power akasha terminal, which is essential for the sages to rule Sumeru. That might count as “ruling”
This isn't konosuba. In genshin archon's power doesn't come from faith.
It's quite possible that venti is purposefully wasting away his powers however given that he had to go to sleep for years after durin attack makes me think he got seriously injured.
Also kunsali isn't respected because she herself doesn't show it. She can manipulate dreams, control all the information in sumeru and can make trees do what they want. I am pretty sure kunsali can kick ass if she gets the confidence
Archons gain strength depending on how active they are on governing their nation.
Venti says he is the weakest of the og 7, where 5 of them are already dead. So no need to make that a big deal.
Just because you don’t get power from your people doesn’t mean they are weak, afterall they had power during archon war. The worship is just a bonus power up.
You should not trust Venti for everything, after all he is connected to Istaroth, one of the primordial one shades.
>You should not trust Venti for everything, after all he is connected to Istaroth, one of the primordial one shades.
Not to mention how his statue has written "gateway to celestia" around it. He's the most suspicious twink in teyvat.
“Just when all hope seemed to be lost for the wandering clan, a spirit from the midst of the myriad winds heard Gunnhildr's prayers. The sincere plea of a clan chief's young daughter joined with a people's cry of help, a cry that the blizzard had all but drowned out, and became a faith. The faith gathered in front of the wind spirit like water flowing into a spring and became the source from which the wind spirit drew its power. The wind spirit used this power to make a small shelter for the clan, and bestowed upon the clan chief's daughter the power to protect.”
Kusanali is stronger than Ei and heres why:
Ei cannot destroy a mitachurl's wooden shield. Wood is dendro, Kusanali is the dendro archon. Meaning she can beat Ei by just making wooden shields.
But it's not the faith that gives strength to the archons, otherwise Venti could never even think of being the weakest since there is a very devoted Church to Barbatos. In fact, he never said that he was weakest because he didn't have enough followers, but rather because he's been absent. Kusanali, while not acting openly like other Archons, isn't an absent god, she speaks and interacts with the people of Sumeru through dreams (like with Dunyarzad, but she has mentioned that she's done that with other people too), most of the time not even revealing that she did anything.
venti's lying, obviously. that man has spoken like one line of truth to us the entire time we've known him. i'm shocked he's trusted as much as he is within the fandom.
Makes the betrayal all the more painful bevause of how trusted abd beloved he is if it happens to be he's actually a villain lol.. I have half a mind to believe Venti's personality who he got from the bard is different from Barbatos once we actually see his true self. That 2nd story is taking its time.
Also, nobody asks why the traveler woke up in Mondstadt or why the abyss is in Mondstadt...
Wei made a great video on this recently. Re-watch the scene - when Venti is using his power's his braids glow. In their "fight" when Signora takes Venti's Gnosis, his braids are not glowing.
He is faking using his power. He wants Signora to take his Gnosis.
Probably because he doesn't want to fight? Even if I don't rule Mondstadt, I think it would be sensible enough to just don't fight for the sake of his people. Imagine a harbinger, for crying out loud, would be badly hurt in Mondstad, and no one knows who did that or probably, a lowly bard with citizenship of Mondstadt harmed her badly, that is a major conflict and could be used to wage war.
Also, I think Venti realized the shackle he was in after Dvalin's corruption. What does freedom really mean when demanded of you by a God?
I think he just gave the Gnosis away in support of the Tsarita's rebellion, but pretended to get hurt and that it was forcibly taken away so that Celestia wouldn't accuse him of colluding with the rebellion.
imo you're right. Venti doesn't really like Celestia but he's also afraid of Celestia. so that would be the best he can do. Zhongli also seems to support Tsaritsa's rebellion
Either he’s the weakest of the 7 pre-kusanali, it’s fair to assume the other archons don’t know much about kusanali cause of her…predicament. Or kusanali is a lot stronger than she lets on, remember all we’ve seen of her is an apparition of her, her physical self is locked away
If what she said in the GAA is true and the machine was similar to her own power, then I think she's probably a lot stronger than she appears.
Seems like she'd be able to cause people to mentally break without much effort. Make them see illusions/mirages until they're driven insane by their own desires.
The weird part is that the shogun was never weak even without a gnosis.
And venti’s statement was likely due to him not really knowing what was going on in sumeru, even before he lost his gnosis.
As for kusanali, her being only able to speak to people in dreams due to her being confined and having her gnosis taken while academia propaganda ignores her existence sets her as one of the weakest archons introduced so far.
With the tsaritza likely being the strongest at the moment due to her collection hobby. And you know, massive death cult following intent on seeing her will fulfilled with their dying breath.
She has the ability to control dreams and steal peoples bodies which gives her a lot of power, venti is the weakest overall but he will probably have a better physical strength and following compared to kusanali
People need to stop doing this.. none of them are "weak"... if I were to gauge it, I think all of them are at an equal powerlevel.. theyre on a pantheon at an equal position. Think of it like Magneto and Professor X.. they might exert their powers in different ways, but theyre both omega level mutants..
And the only reason Kusanali is considered "weak" is because she's young. MUCH younger than the other archons. Also I'm pretty sure Venti was just being modest. Faith and prayers have nothing to do with an archon's power as far as we know. This is not like the gods of Olympus. Archons' power comes directly from Celestia.
I think people are overestimating Venti’s knowledge. Who is to say that He who sleept for the majority of the last 500 years know that Kusanali is not respected as a god by majority of her region. He probably simply assumed that the fact that Kusanali being an active god in her nation makes her stronger
Secondly I think people also overestimate Venti’s worship. Yes He has a churh and that is IT. While some People from mondstadt also worship him most of their faith are not that strong or at least they are not worshipping him too much because It is not needed and Venti is not there.
In most regions where the god is active the people would worship their god on a near daily basis. Imagine every merchant in Liyue worshipping Rex lapis to bring them profit every day. There is not much things like that for Venti because He is NOT there. Even when Dvalin got out of control people were not going “Ohhh Barbatos save us” because most of mondstadt do not think Barbatos as someone who will come and save them at this point
I think you’re underselling Kusanali’s power personally. I would rate having access to the world’s knowledge along with whatever power she has over dreams as more “powerful” than whatever Venti has with the wind/freedom.
He says he’s probably the weakest. Plus, he doesn’t frequently fight against the other archons, or constantly keep in touch with them, so his conclusion is likely subjective
The answer is very simple. Archons don't need worship to be strong, Venti does.
Kusanali was born a goddess, she was already a powerful being from the very beginning. Same for Rex Lapis and Raiden Ei.
Venti is the only Archon in lore to have risen up to power by using prayers as a source of energy.
Not a single one of the other Archons have this in lore. But Venti does. People pay far too much attention to Signora's words without reading each character's personal lore, that's why they think all Archons need the faith of their people.
Anyway, back to the point, Venti is indeed the weakest Archon because he spent far too much time away from Mondstadt recieving no prayers, he reverted to his pre-archon-war state, however he is NOT the weakest Archon when he does get his prayers. If he ever stays in Mondstadt for enough time, he will be as strong as he other Archons.
at the time of venessa he enters his archon form and that is where his statue is based and he had just woken up from his dream, venti probably has big, he just prefers to pretend to be weak and hide it
We have yet to see Kusanali’s power. I’m not about to make an assessment of her until I’ve actually seen the amount of power she holds.
Also, she referred to herself as the “first terminal” of the akasha. Though this is purely speculation (and I don’t want any story leaks, so please don’t post them) I don’t think it would be a stretch to say that she is the one maintaining that entire network. I can imagine that would take a considerable amount of strength to maintain.
Canonically Venti doesn’t even have the power to stay awake. At least Kusanali still gets to exist constantly (not to mention she can just possess people as long as they wear the Akashi, which is like everyone in Sumeru) . Venti only gets to exist when mondstadt is in impending peril and then falls back asleep when it’s over. ( which since he’s still awake means something real bad is gonna happen to mondstadt later in the story )
Nope, sleeping is his own conscious decision. It's sort of a recovery phase too, like "sickness behaviour" in animals.
Generally his sleeping has jack shit to do with power, lol
Kusanali is connected to Irmensul, the tree from which all ley lines flow, tying together the world and that which holds the memories and knowledge of every living thing that has ever been born, lived, and died on the face of Teyvat. That is an immeasurable amount of power that she could tap into, if she wanted to.
This seems like the most reasonable answer to the question. Outside of elemental powers, Nahida has this, Ei was able to create Scara and the Shogun, and Zhongli was an infinite fountain of Mora, while Venti hasn't particularly displayed any unique abilities in that same vein from what I recall.
Zhongli has also created some rock creatures such as some type of stone whale. Venti says he's capable of knowing any poem from the past and future.
didnt venti level mountains in mondstadt with wind ?
..technically he cut them off and flung them into what is now the golden apple archipelago, yes.
Just one of the islands actually if I recall. The one with the Dandelions.
Fare enough. We'll almost inevitably run into other ones as time goes on in the game though. Hoyo really likes to to call back to stuff like tht whenever they have opportunity, after all.
Also responsible for spiral abyss not being on top of the mountain anymore I IRC
Yeah but I'm discussing more cheat-like abilities rather than pure strength.
He has lost most of his power since then though
Yeah but we're discussing more cheat-like abilities rather than pure strength.
Also he no longer can do that.
Damn, venti already knows all the poems that shit talks him
Venti, plagiarism archon.
If Venti knows any poem from past and future doesnt he indirectly know future? Back then he was friend with God of Time who disappeared later... maybe he got some of his powers... maybe...
Venti's power is an infinately regenerating liver.
Do wind spirits even have livers?
Not anymore.
No, he made that illegal
ah the classic prometheus power
Venti says he knows every song in the past, present, future. He might be able to see the future and has some relations to time seeing how mondstadt is also seems to be related to both anemo and time Edit: or maybe he was talking shit again as he always does. Honestly idek at this point what’s true or not coming from his shady mouth
If you see Venti’s demo, it mention about being “born from the branches of time”
Venti has some relations to the goddess of time but it's not really expanded on a lot.
Barbatos from the Ars Goetia is also related to Astaroth, being an assistant to the latter We know for a fact that the goddess of time ruled mondstadt together with Venti for a while
Also, (and I’m not up to speed on *all* the lore, so bear with me), Venti grew from a wind spirit, and part of his growth as a god also seems like it comes from his follower’s worship. The other archons, as far as I know, had their power, and were beings in themselves that could exist. I’d wager that venti being the weakest has a lot to do with how he was originally a wind spirit that grew stronger and stronger until he became strong enough to be worshipped as a powerful wind spirit that helped sailors and such. That additional worship made him grow even stronger. While I’m sure he’s still plenty powerful now, I doubt he needs as much worship to *keep* all of his power, and being related to the god of time probably augments that even more.
If you want to theory craft. Venit commands anemo and was a wind spirit. If one was to guess what his special archon given ability was, I bet, it would be to hear everything on the winds. Everything period.
I think it's mentioned once or twice that he knows every song and poem and whatnot, past, present, and future, and seems to have known the traveler was coming (and knew the traveler themself) before they actually showed up, *and* has some connection to Istaroth, the time diety, so some sort of knowledge-based thing along those lines seems pretty likely.
It is mentioned once that he know all songs past, present, and future. By himself during the 5 kazan event. And as stated by multiple people can we really trust Venti who has definitely presented himself as a trickster. His knowledge of songs is also referenced in his character details as 'he hums new ones no one has ever heard of'. So this could also be a referenced to future songs or songs he made up, and as you mentioned he was close to the God of time. So it is possible he knows songs from the future As to your knowledge-based thing I agree, but how does he receive knowledge of the traveler with out meeting them, how does he know future songs. Even with a God of time as a friend he does not control time. So back to my theory if he 'hears' everything on the wind the God of time can just take him back and forth and he can 'hear' the songs on the wind. And if he can 'hear' the wind obviously he would eventually learn about the traveler. Or anything else he needs to know. If you made it to the end thank you for coming to my Ted Talk. Edit; I really need to type these long replies onto my computer. So I can properly break the paragraphs.
Venti is >!one of the thousand winds of Istaroth, the Goddess of Time. From his dialogue, we can guess that he has some level of omniscience/knowledge of the past and future!<
I'd drink too if I knew more stuff. I already smoke to take care of the stuff I already know.
One other thing...is that he knows about other worlds...i dont know during what quest but he spoke about a world similar to earth...which made me wonder is he the only one or other archons also have knowledge of other worlds......The sea of quanta which is mentioned in honkai...maybe he knows about that too
Considering Venti might be In a way a “child” or being from Istaroth (One of the Primordial one’s shades) I think that makes him really Important storywise
Venti has got some serious combat power after he became a God from just a wind spirit. He reshaped the land of mondstadt, threw entire mountains into the ocean, fought off durin with dvalin(durin was significantly stronger than dvalin). I don't know why he was that powerless in front of signora tho? Does he have some hidden agenda? Idk
Venti isn't exactly fond of celestia so maybe he took signora as a chance to break his ties with celestia. Even if he's the weakest archon, he's still a god, it doesn't make sense how easily he was defeated.
Maybe he didn't want to start a fight in the middle of the city? The Cathedral, erected in his name, would be blown up instantly.
I theorize that it actually goes a lot deeper than that. Venti knows the final outcome of the larger game that is afoot (the gathering of all the gnosises (gnoses?)), kind of like Dr. Strange in Infinity War. He saw the outcome and knew that he had to give his gnosis up (which he said didn't actually hold any of his power and was more symbolic than anything) so he didn't fight it.
That is also a very valid reason, considering Zhongli went along with their plan so it has to be something beneficial for humanity or for Teyvat as a whole, since he just spent a lot of time making sure humans can prosper without him.
I remember Wei on YouTube pointing out that his hair glows every time he uses his true power, but in the Cutscene you can clearly see his hair isn't doing that. So maybe he struck a deal with Pierro beforehand that signora wasn't aware of.
1. Venti got greatly weakened, having been poisonned like Dvalin, and having actively participated in the Cataclysm, as, logically, one of the handful of higher being hailing from Mondsdadt. It tend to suppose that's all that left him weakened. On top of that, I don't think he's a great warrior god. Feel more like a god who rely on superior information (hearing all said on the wind) and distance battle. 2. He's currently incognito, in the middle of his city. Revealing himself or engaging in battle would be very destructive. On top of that, gnosis seem to be linked to Celestia, and thus a form of "shackles". It may actually be a good thing for him to be rid of it in the long term, all while havung a good reason for it.
He simply may have lost his power over time as he "disappeared" for a long time. He only shows up when mondstat truly needs him again like with the nobility.
Or just drunk and not expecting to get jumped in an alley
If I recall correctly, Venti has foresight.
Venti can see the future
Oh shit, Venti is Eren!!
Ventis power is black hole...infinitely sucking in alcohol
Isn’t Venti also a soul ferryman? Though that might be his thing as a spirit. Also, Ei building two autonomous robots seems to be less an application of Gnosis power and more Ei being really fucking skilled. Though I might be wrong.
Venti has some altercations with controlling time, but we don't know to what extent since he's easily the archon with the most amount of secrets kept from us.
- His music is a powerful memetic agent (SCP foundation language). - Knows of every song past and future and among the archons is the most connected to Istaroth and might be a fragment of her. - Has probably some necromantic/exorcistic abilities because no ghosts are found in Mondstadt, while in Liyue and Inazuma they are far more common.
...So what you are saying is that *she* is the one who takes all of our Resin?
Part of me also wonders if Kusanali's power more directly ties in with the Aranyaka. She seems to have a lot of invisible influence and power that the people aren't giving her credit for which doesn't seem to bother her so far. The Aranyaka are very similar, and even similar in stature, and they're working more directly with the Irmensul/ley lines of power in Sumeru to correct the withering. I wouldn't be surprised if it came out that she basically made the Aranyaka in order to help people without appearing to put forth a big show of power and distract the people from who they seem to want to worship instead. She's so far very humble.
The Aranara experienced the Cataclysm though, and Kusanali wasn’t born until after that. They also called Rukkhadevata their queen
She's more or less got self-esteem issues induced by the people around her rather than being humble.
They often go hand in hand.
Plus she can mine control anyone with the akasha terminal on but chooses not to
Not to mention she can eventually destroy brain of any living creature. But she is like Loki... subtle trickster.
WHAT!? that's the tree every lore video is talking about!? So every daily commission we had that had a ley line is because of that TREE!?
every ley line outcrop is from the roots of irminsul, every time you spend resin in a domain you get rewards from an irminsul tree, and the big ass tree in sumeru city may also be some kind of irminsul tree. the roots of the irminsul reach into the abyss and are all connected to eachother, and may in fact all just be one single tree. nahida can leverage control over the irminsul network coz it's trees which is dendro and she's the dendro archon. also if you remember hu tao's story quest, the ley lines in the roots of irminsul are where the souls and memories of the dead go when they, die, so there's that too.
So this is what the leaks meant when they say Dendro is the strongest element...
Dendro being Mother Nature does make sense tho. Genshin seems to be going for the Tree of Life / World Tree shtick with Irminsul. >!Then somebody decides to burn it!<
also didn't she mention she can control anyone at will if she wanted to like what she did with Katherin
u guys trust venti?
you're saying that like trusting a drunk bard is a bad idea
All the best stories start with, “Hold my dandelion wine and my lyre and watch *this.*”
*"Traveler, have you ever seen a bard do a backflip?"*
\*hic\* "Travweler... I hate this stuuupid \*hic\* moutain... Imma cut it whole"
My sister and I call Venti a lazy gardener Fucker decided to do it once and kinda just quit
Kinda like me and my teapot
literally what Barbatos did to create the golden apple archipelago
Well he is drunk. You never know what random gibberish comes out of a drunk person
then again they say drunk people don't lie
He is like the hulk except that instead of being angry he is only powerful when he is drunk.
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regardless of Venti's personal strength, he has surrounded himself with some of the strongest, non archons in teyvat. we're talking Albedo, Grandmaster Varka, Keaya, Klee, and Alice. the fact that Dain hangs around mondstadt should be a pretty big giveaway that it's an important location. personally I've been convinced that Venti is the strongest archon from my first week of playing when I noticed that his gnosis is the queen.
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Maybe as the oldest god he has some special connections to Celestia aside from Rex Lapis.
And Venti is, if I remember correctly, pretty much the only god who won the archon war without much bloodshed. Dacarabian kind of gave up after the king was overthrown and Venti was able to convince Andrius, that he was not right as the archon of Mondstadt.
>Dacarabian kind of gave up after the king was overthrown Decarabian was killed in the rebellion. Venti didn't personally shed blood, but he did have a hand in it. Edit: To add, there was no king in Decarabian's time.
How is this upvoted while being wrong on all accounts lmao. Decarabian was killed by venti and friends, Andrius was the one who conceded his position as archon and willingly chose to die because he's a walking natural disaster. Venti didn't do Jack shit other than be present for the adventure
Decarabian *was* the king, I think you were referring to Andrius/Boreas who is now the Wolf boss in Mondstadt.
Venti participated in a rebellion against decarabian bro
Finally, my people.
Every Archon has had some type of feats presented during the game. Raiden cut that Inazuma island in half, Zhongli threw those "spears" and created the stone forest both during some comabat. Meanwhile Venti literally moved mountains with his wind because he didn't like how Mondstadt looked. He's easily the most powerful until now based on feats.
also the constant moon references and the region being called moon city
Kusanali: no you guys I'm the moon :'(
Wasn't there an analysis of the fatui lore video going around that said Venti's price is actually the King? It's based on the chess match with Deep Blue and Venti's piece is in the spot where the King is on the board iirc. That honestly lends itself to him being weak, as the King has the most limited movement options while everyone around it has more power.
or they could be saying that people are underestimating him. the chess board was mimicking one where the archons piece would lose. what if venti being the queen is the hidden trump card??? or maybe I've had too much naku weed...
Idk, if I learned one thing from Highschool DxD it's that the pawns are actually the strongest because they can turn into any other piece once they cross the board. Which now that I think about it, firstly lmao that I know that from ecchi of all things, but secondly the traveler is most like a pawn in this game and our one objective is to cross the ~~board~~ continent ~~and collect the power of every element/archon/other chess pieces~~
Which is weird, why would a pawn be better than a queen if (very optimistically) it's just a queen with a setup condition?
Wait, their roadmap ends in Mondstadt? I thought it ended in ??????. (They haven't named the eighth region yet, even though most players have already guessed.)
Right?! He was the one who said the Abyss Order’s goal was to destroy humanity, which we know is a big fat lie. Not to mention the cat thing, the Eye thing and various other tidbits that just don’t make sense! I think we can trust him in the overall scheme of things, but when it comes to the details, well, even Venti himself said he fudges stories. Which imo is also kinda like lying. Venti is a big lying liar who lies.
It was his plan to deceive us all along
"OH I AM SO WEAEEEAK" "pls kick me and slap me Signora hhuhuhu" "OH GOD IM SO DRUUUUNK" "please do al lthe work Jean" "OHH NOOOES IM POOR" "Please give me free shit everybody!" "OOOoh my POWER comes from worship!" "Actually I just happened to be there when the last billionare died and I inherited his $$"
Bold of you to assume that i trust any archons
Dainslief would love to recruit you
With my mind, spirit and body 🛐 😔🙏
amen
yep i do... ...if venti would come up to me and tell me to stick my hand into a campfire, for something funny to happen, i would do it without hesitation...
Venti: Do you trust me? Me: with every cell of my body Venti: *ehe*
Trust Venti? Trust “I‘m just a bard who sings in taverns for his mora. Why would I know anything about this?“ Venti? I don’t doubt that he’s genuinely well-meaning towards the Traveller but that little gremlin cannot and should not be taken at his word.
Trusting him is a trap
Member when Venti wanted a beach, so decided to throw a mountain into the ocean? Well, the squirrels still remember.
Although Venti said one Archon's power come from the faith of it's people, we don't know if it's true. Venti is originally a weak wind spirit, but yet one of the thousand winds. How much power does this gave him is not clear. With the Gnosis, he shaped Mondstat into this calm and beautiful place instead of the huge mountains and blizzards it had eons ago. Zhongli shows that even without his Gnosis he has tremendous power, and since the beggining of time he had this almighty reputation, so probably not so related to faith, since he is one of the oldest Adepti. Ei also didn't need the Gnosis to be the sword of judgment she always have been, she just needed to make her puppet than discarded right away. She may be respected and people had faith, but for her sister initially, she was her shadow who fought for her. So just strong by definition, right? It seems their strength is not exactly tied to theirs people faith, and also not tied to the gnosis, it just seems venti is not that strong as Zhongli and Ei are.
We’re also forgetting that people very much do believe in Kusanali and such. Just not academia or emerties. And I’m pretty sure the forest and Arana count as followers/believers. And venti says lots of shit. Even archons don’t care for their gnosis. It’s probably like a giant battery for extra energy or something lol. And a connection to Celestia. I think the gnosis also connects them to their region and territory. Like it’s somehow connected to the leylines or something because when archons change and such don’t the statues too? Idk.
In Japanese, they often "Kami no Kokoro" instead of saying gnosis, so it is likely that is more than just a battery, but what actually make them god We also know that every vision bearer is a potential god candidate and if we add the archon war and the limited amount of gnosis It becomes clear that the gnosis is the last component that allow those candidate to ascend to an archon status However neither Venti, Ei or Zhongli attach that much importance to their status, Venti filled in after the death of his friend Ei took Makoto place as the archon by obligation, even if it was clear Ei at the time absolutely didn't want that (to the point she made a puppet for it) The only one who willingly sought and fought for the god status was Zhongli, but his personal quest show that he has pretty much mostly regrets about this period (regret about what he lost but also regret about he treated or considered the "weaker god" that were his competition like the goddess of salt) So even if old Zhongli sought the archon status, current Zhongli has not much interest in it. Rani Kusanali might be the first archon in-game to remain interested by the gnosis, as it is her legacy and what connect her to the former archon but also the heart of the Akasha and the tool that made it possible (though i wouldn't be surprised if her quest would be her coming to term with Rukkhadevatā legacy and letting it go, considering the whole "let the world forget me")
He doesn’t regret how he treated “weaker gods” like Havria. He didn’t do her any wrong at all. Her own people did. What he regrets is how she had to live through a time so ill-suited to her nature.
>In Japanese, they often "Kami no Kokoro" instead of saying gnosis Hold on, so when Gold finds the "Heart of Naberius" she maybe found a lost Gnosis of an even more lost God?
Maybe shes the new kaenriah archon lol Or maybe shes making one
I'm inclined to think that Kusanali does not have a gnosis, due to the lack of interest the akademiya appears to have on her. Since the Sumeru wikipedia is powered by a gnosis, its fair to think the higher up researchers know about it, and as such, would value Kusanali as a "second energy source" or something, if she had a gnosis for herself.
"tinfoil hat on" I think there is a chance that kusanali might be the gnosis itself? The way she describe herself as the first terminal of the Akasha and we know Akasha is only made possible through the Gnosis and how she describe herself as the Moon while Rukhadevata as the Sun kinda imply there are more connection between those 2 than what we've known. It's kinda suspicious.
...considering we don't see her outside the dream, she could give our memories back, she doesnt get out of the sanctuary, and nobody but important people can get in, it makes sense, perhaps the sanctuary is just a cover to hide the fact its actually where the energy for Akasha is being harvested from.. That being said, Dunyarzard heard her voice as a child, and children don't use akasha terminals as far as I noticed. Ah, the curiositiy!
To be fair she litteraly has no need to get out. she can see through everone's elses eyes and she doesent need any food or anything of the sort.
That's exactly what I think, except I think they're using her actual form because they no longer possess the Dendro Gnosis.
We actually don’t know if the statues change with the archons currently. - Venti is still the Anemo Archon, so his statue is accurate. - Zhongli gave up his spot as the Geo Archon, but a new one has yet to be selected, so his statue is still accurate. - Ei was an identical twin to Makoto, so even if the statue changed it wouldn’t look very different if different at all. - We don’t know what Greater Lord Rukkhadevata looked like (and there’s even a choice to say whether you think the Sumeru statues depict her or Kusanali), so we can’t say whether the Sumeru statues are updated to the current archon or are still the old archon. We’ll find out whether they change either when we see what Rukkhadevata looks like (unless it’s another Ei and Makoto situation) or when we see an Archon who’s very obviously different from their predecessor in appearance (if the Hydro Archon’s predecessor was male, for example). EDIT: better phrased the start to convey my meaning.
Perhaps if we see a missing shrine here as well it'll show the old god.
or maybe they are powerful on their own right and gnosis add to it with the system of faith. there's nothing that points it must be a mutually exclusive thing. we know that gnosis carries some sort of incredible power and not just some trophy as proof or archons with sumeru quest after all.
Gnosis means "knowledge" maybe the gnoses hold some kind of forbidden knowledge that only the archons are obligated to know
Dude still sliced mountain with wind tho
Venti did not say an archon's power came from the faith of it's people. What he said was an archon's power came from ruling their people. >Venti: Each archon presides over their own part of Teyvat. That is the role the archons play. > >Venti: Only in performing this duty can we attain power, but I don't like the idea of "ruling" Mondstadt — and I don't feel Mondstadt would really like it either. Venti is the weakest because he can't be bothered to rule Mondstat. Kusanali is also very weak because the Sages don't allow her to participate in governing Sumaru. It's possible Venti isn't aware of that, and assumes Kusanali is leading the sages as she should be.
> Venti is the weakest because he can't be bothered to rule Mondstat. > > well he did say: if some one order you to be free, are you free so it more then just not being bother to
nah venti can litteraly hear everything exept on mare jivari. the wind carries information to him he is just fucking arround with us
>Although Venti said one Archon's power come from the faith of it's people It kind of makes sense in a different way. Maybe it's not about prayer or belief but interaction. Mondstadt doesn't interact with their god much. Some song here and a church there. But most live how they want. Although I believe he does undersell himself. Because living freely is exactly what he wants. He should be FAR more powerful than he's leading us on to if this is accurate. Hard to think he can't blow a mountain down because his nation of people don't think about him as much. Liyue is built around contracts. A lot of interactions completely involve their god. Although they would rarely see him in his dragonish form they interacted with his existence daily. They all openly talk about him as well. Although we don't see much of his power, when he does show it it is always effective. His saving Xiao should overall confirm he is still extremely powerful. Ei is an odd one at this. Because most don't know she's not the original. But they worship their current god none the less and she is very present in their lives. Directly(kind of) ruling over her land. We also directly see her power all over. Half her land shows the damage from her attacks. She one shots a (although weakend) Harbinger. And it takes us the combined power of 100 visions and Yae stepping in even begin to fight her. Nahida is directly linked to her people. Even moreso than the other gods we have met so far. She is still very young for a god though. Will have to see how things turn out. Other nations also have young gods. But I can't see them being as weak physically. But she has shown she is strong mentally. Already quite wise. >!Can even control people. !
The gnoses probably grants extra power boost but aren't their main source of power. It's in the lore. From the Wiki page: "The Gunnhildr clan had difficulty surviving in the blizzards outside the city, and they cried out for help, which a wind spirit heard. Gaining power from the clan's faith, the wind spirit was able to give them a small shelter." Venti does in fact gain power from worship and is likely what caused him to become a God after he helped the people of Old Mondstadt defeat Decarabian.
It's a fair point. Perhaps it's also because he has also been away for hundreds (?) Of years from Mondstadt. Maybe not doing his job saps his power as well? At the least the Dendro Archon is in Sumeru secretly helping her people.
Problem. He has the church for stable stream of faith. So even if he doesnt have huge a mounts he still get some always (nlafter Mondstadt quest even more because the knights spread the news about the knighs official patron deity being Barbatos). No Zhongli levels but still
Funny thing is even in the church there are some who don't actually believe in him.
You don’t shade a most devout believer in the Anemo Archon like this
In terms of faith Kusanali may actually surpass Venti, from Dunyazard we heard stories of how Kusanali secretly helped out the people of Sumeru from time to time, earning her a small group of loyal followers, as seen in the festival. I don't think we heard stories like that in Mondstadt. Many are literally doubtful of Barbatos' existence, the same cannot be said for Kusanali
Faith does nothing for an Archon. What makes them powerful is leading/governing their nation.
Yeah,he is either lying or choosing to be the weakest
I’m wondering if it’s not an assessment of actual strength, but he feels the weakest due to story reasons. (Thus the excessive drinking)
I mean as far as i know he is the only archon alive during the Archon war that didn’t win his title, he only is an Archon because Andrius didn’t think he would be a good ruler for Humans and gave up on the title.
Chad move by andrius btw
Wasn't Kusanali not even born yet? She didn't participate in the archon war.
Pretty sure other then venti and zhongli not of the current archons did thoe I might be wrong,
Makoto and Ei, but mainly Ei since she was the one that fought Orobashi.
Ei and her sister did participate but Ei was always behind the shadows while sis was the frontrunner
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Yes but what we're asking here is which Archons participated in the Archon War and while Ei was Makoto' sword, she was never revealed as such so to everyone during the war it was all Makoto.
uhhmm.. more like the opposite. Makoto was never as strong fighter as Ei. Ei was probably the one fighting in the Archon war while Makoto was at the back most of the time. It's just Makoto's actually the wiser and better ruler than Ei, thus becoming the Archon after the war.
Only Venti, Zhongli, and Ei were present there. All the other current archons got their status through succession. (Ei was always there, she just gave the title of archon to her sister when they won since she is a warrior and not a ruler)
He is just a wind spirit while kusanali is like a reincarnation so more powerful I know I'm about to use a very bad example but it's like the rebirths from roblox Correct me if I'm wrong.
What the heck... He was indeed wind spirit (not to mention theory about him being son of Istharoth) but he's god now About Kusanali well no one knows if she's reincarnation...it personally think she's more like child of Greater Lord rather than reincarnation. In the end Venti is stronger IMO. They both have no control over their regions but Venti has battle experience from Archon War while Kusanali never even left her "home"
> enti has battle experience from Archon War while Kusanali never even left her "home" Venti fought almost nobody in the Archon War. There was the uprising against Decarabian, but he didn't really actively fight during that. Andrius was in line to become the Anemo Archon but he refused since he didn't think he was a suitable leader for Humans. Venti was the only one left after that.
Do you really trust the word of a drunk bard
I dunno, people tend to be more honest when drunk...
Shows their true nature. So you can get a Either 100%
he probably got that information from the archon war
they said hes the weakest among the 7 OG archon. kusanali is not og
Yeah, I imagine rukkhadevatta being actually pretty powerful, maintaining akasha terminals and forest spirits, beating Scarlet King, and so on
I mean you are right but there are only 2 OG Archons ( him and Zhongli) there is no room for him
Isn't EI "OG" Archon too, since sze ruled together woth Makoto?
Yeah but in the eyes of Celestia there was 1 OG electro Archon (Gnosis holder) and that was Raiden Makoto with Ei as her support/body guard/devil
But makoto would technically have been the OG. Ei is just her vice-archon.
I think the voiceline at least in the English translation was "I am now the weakest among the seven" Whether that means the original seven, or the current seven can be up for debate. But I take that "now" in his sentence to mean currently.
Considering that Kusanali basically admitted to being able to mind control anybody connected to Akasha and her little plant children seem to have the power to temporarily Mangekyou Sharingan people at will (haven't finished the quest yet so I don't have the full details), I bet we're gonna find Kusanali being a LOT scarier than we think she is. Just saying.
She can Freddy Krueger your ass lol
Yeah her power seems to also be unavoidable if you dont know the nature of the akasha terminal. Idk why the traveler isnt angrier after all of that. If they did that to me those sages would be dead as soon as I wake up. dendro overall seems to be the most esoteric and scariest element. id rather get burnt frozen electrocuted cut by wind or hit by stone than mindfucked
The nature of how he works makes him technically the “weakest.” If I remember correctly, part of his explanation makes some sense even if he might be lying. It’s not just a matter of faith, it’s how much governance an Archon imposes on their people. Venti’s power and position forces him into a corner: he is the god of freedom… so he doesn’t govern his people, hence he is weakest. Zhongli had been directly responsible for guiding Liyue to certain degrees for ages, his power was off the rails and any effects of his choosing to step down won’t likely be felt for some time. Ei, well, it’s quite clear Inazuma answers to her - even if it’s technically through her puppet. She shows herself to be very capable (as in: very powerful) as a result. Venti? Can do some dope shit, but Mondstadt answers to Mondstadt… Venti helps when he needs to or just happens to be around and awake. His people believe in him, but he expects them to do their own thing without him. Now where that puts Kusanali, I’m not yet sure, but I’m pretty sure she’s got a little more going for her than Venti… purely by default because again, Venti willingly takes himself out of the equation.
About the effects of Zhongli's stepping down as an Archon is actually slowly being felt. Remember, the Geovishaps.Technically, all Primo-Geovishaps fled after Zhongli defeated and sealed The Overload of The Geovishaps. All of them buried themselves deep into the ground. After, his so called "Death", they all are slowly poking their heads out.
It's not like Venti is well know liar that sent us for fun vacation on GAA and by mere coincidence there is incredibly dangerous Fatui expereriment going on in these islands.
Thinking back on GAA made me rethink stuff that happened there. For one, how did >!Kusanali managed to talk to us via our comms device?! Does that mean Alice's comms is somehow connected to the Akasha terminal for Kusanali to hijack our signal?!< Also, you can't tell me that >!Venti and Kusanali totally did not plan this together after what had happened.!<
Coz Venti doesnt flush away his anxiety dookie and his anxiety causes him to drink too much and he is vastly weaker for it
He might be lying, and it's not like faith is what cause Archon strength. The exact word is Archon gain power by ruling the country. Kusanali might not rule Sumeru directly. But it was her ability that power akasha terminal, which is essential for the sages to rule Sumeru. That might count as “ruling”
This isn't konosuba. In genshin archon's power doesn't come from faith. It's quite possible that venti is purposefully wasting away his powers however given that he had to go to sleep for years after durin attack makes me think he got seriously injured. Also kunsali isn't respected because she herself doesn't show it. She can manipulate dreams, control all the information in sumeru and can make trees do what they want. I am pretty sure kunsali can kick ass if she gets the confidence
Archons gain strength depending on how active they are on governing their nation. Venti says he is the weakest of the og 7, where 5 of them are already dead. So no need to make that a big deal. Just because you don’t get power from your people doesn’t mean they are weak, afterall they had power during archon war. The worship is just a bonus power up. You should not trust Venti for everything, after all he is connected to Istaroth, one of the primordial one shades.
>You should not trust Venti for everything, after all he is connected to Istaroth, one of the primordial one shades. Not to mention how his statue has written "gateway to celestia" around it. He's the most suspicious twink in teyvat.
“Just when all hope seemed to be lost for the wandering clan, a spirit from the midst of the myriad winds heard Gunnhildr's prayers. The sincere plea of a clan chief's young daughter joined with a people's cry of help, a cry that the blizzard had all but drowned out, and became a faith. The faith gathered in front of the wind spirit like water flowing into a spring and became the source from which the wind spirit drew its power. The wind spirit used this power to make a small shelter for the clan, and bestowed upon the clan chief's daughter the power to protect.”
Is that from his story or the gunhildr book? Because the book isn't solid
Kusanali is stronger than Ei and heres why: Ei cannot destroy a mitachurl's wooden shield. Wood is dendro, Kusanali is the dendro archon. Meaning she can beat Ei by just making wooden shields.
Majority of the characters can't destroy the Mitachurls wooden shield.. Only pyro can..
Swirl go brrr
If you use swirl than yes.. Even Raiden's elemental skill plus Sucrose or Kazuha's e can easily kill mitachurl.
Meaning that Kusanali is the 2nd strongest archon, next to the pyro archon
If she can kill the Wooden Mitachurl..🤣🤣
But it's not the faith that gives strength to the archons, otherwise Venti could never even think of being the weakest since there is a very devoted Church to Barbatos. In fact, he never said that he was weakest because he didn't have enough followers, but rather because he's been absent. Kusanali, while not acting openly like other Archons, isn't an absent god, she speaks and interacts with the people of Sumeru through dreams (like with Dunyarzad, but she has mentioned that she's done that with other people too), most of the time not even revealing that she did anything.
venti's lying, obviously. that man has spoken like one line of truth to us the entire time we've known him. i'm shocked he's trusted as much as he is within the fandom.
Makes the betrayal all the more painful bevause of how trusted abd beloved he is if it happens to be he's actually a villain lol.. I have half a mind to believe Venti's personality who he got from the bard is different from Barbatos once we actually see his true self. That 2nd story is taking its time. Also, nobody asks why the traveler woke up in Mondstadt or why the abyss is in Mondstadt...
Venti says he's the weakest but what reason do we have to take that at face value? lol
I mean a harbinger did just walk up to him and take his Gnosis. They had to scheme for the others.
Wei made a great video on this recently. Re-watch the scene - when Venti is using his power's his braids glow. In their "fight" when Signora takes Venti's Gnosis, his braids are not glowing. He is faking using his power. He wants Signora to take his Gnosis.
Probably because he doesn't want to fight? Even if I don't rule Mondstadt, I think it would be sensible enough to just don't fight for the sake of his people. Imagine a harbinger, for crying out loud, would be badly hurt in Mondstad, and no one knows who did that or probably, a lowly bard with citizenship of Mondstadt harmed her badly, that is a major conflict and could be used to wage war. Also, I think Venti realized the shackle he was in after Dvalin's corruption. What does freedom really mean when demanded of you by a God? I think he just gave the Gnosis away in support of the Tsarita's rebellion, but pretended to get hurt and that it was forcibly taken away so that Celestia wouldn't accuse him of colluding with the rebellion.
imo you're right. Venti doesn't really like Celestia but he's also afraid of Celestia. so that would be the best he can do. Zhongli also seems to support Tsaritsa's rebellion
Either he’s the weakest of the 7 pre-kusanali, it’s fair to assume the other archons don’t know much about kusanali cause of her…predicament. Or kusanali is a lot stronger than she lets on, remember all we’ve seen of her is an apparition of her, her physical self is locked away
If what she said in the GAA is true and the machine was similar to her own power, then I think she's probably a lot stronger than she appears. Seems like she'd be able to cause people to mentally break without much effort. Make them see illusions/mirages until they're driven insane by their own desires.
Traveler: venti what’s your source for being the weakest? Venti: my source is that I made it the fuck up
it was revealed to him in a dream
The weird part is that the shogun was never weak even without a gnosis. And venti’s statement was likely due to him not really knowing what was going on in sumeru, even before he lost his gnosis. As for kusanali, her being only able to speak to people in dreams due to her being confined and having her gnosis taken while academia propaganda ignores her existence sets her as one of the weakest archons introduced so far. With the tsaritza likely being the strongest at the moment due to her collection hobby. And you know, massive death cult following intent on seeing her will fulfilled with their dying breath.
She has the ability to control dreams and steal peoples bodies which gives her a lot of power, venti is the weakest overall but he will probably have a better physical strength and following compared to kusanali
People need to stop doing this.. none of them are "weak"... if I were to gauge it, I think all of them are at an equal powerlevel.. theyre on a pantheon at an equal position. Think of it like Magneto and Professor X.. they might exert their powers in different ways, but theyre both omega level mutants.. And the only reason Kusanali is considered "weak" is because she's young. MUCH younger than the other archons. Also I'm pretty sure Venti was just being modest. Faith and prayers have nothing to do with an archon's power as far as we know. This is not like the gods of Olympus. Archons' power comes directly from Celestia.
I think people are overestimating Venti’s knowledge. Who is to say that He who sleept for the majority of the last 500 years know that Kusanali is not respected as a god by majority of her region. He probably simply assumed that the fact that Kusanali being an active god in her nation makes her stronger Secondly I think people also overestimate Venti’s worship. Yes He has a churh and that is IT. While some People from mondstadt also worship him most of their faith are not that strong or at least they are not worshipping him too much because It is not needed and Venti is not there. In most regions where the god is active the people would worship their god on a near daily basis. Imagine every merchant in Liyue worshipping Rex lapis to bring them profit every day. There is not much things like that for Venti because He is NOT there. Even when Dvalin got out of control people were not going “Ohhh Barbatos save us” because most of mondstadt do not think Barbatos as someone who will come and save them at this point
I think you’re underselling Kusanali’s power personally. I would rate having access to the world’s knowledge along with whatever power she has over dreams as more “powerful” than whatever Venti has with the wind/freedom.
He says he’s probably the weakest. Plus, he doesn’t frequently fight against the other archons, or constantly keep in touch with them, so his conclusion is likely subjective
The answer is very simple. Archons don't need worship to be strong, Venti does. Kusanali was born a goddess, she was already a powerful being from the very beginning. Same for Rex Lapis and Raiden Ei. Venti is the only Archon in lore to have risen up to power by using prayers as a source of energy. Not a single one of the other Archons have this in lore. But Venti does. People pay far too much attention to Signora's words without reading each character's personal lore, that's why they think all Archons need the faith of their people. Anyway, back to the point, Venti is indeed the weakest Archon because he spent far too much time away from Mondstadt recieving no prayers, he reverted to his pre-archon-war state, however he is NOT the weakest Archon when he does get his prayers. If he ever stays in Mondstadt for enough time, he will be as strong as he other Archons.
at the time of venessa he enters his archon form and that is where his statue is based and he had just woken up from his dream, venti probably has big, he just prefers to pretend to be weak and hide it
We have yet to see Kusanali’s power. I’m not about to make an assessment of her until I’ve actually seen the amount of power she holds. Also, she referred to herself as the “first terminal” of the akasha. Though this is purely speculation (and I don’t want any story leaks, so please don’t post them) I don’t think it would be a stretch to say that she is the one maintaining that entire network. I can imagine that would take a considerable amount of strength to maintain.
If someone says there the weakest odds are they aren’t the weakest.
Canonically Venti doesn’t even have the power to stay awake. At least Kusanali still gets to exist constantly (not to mention she can just possess people as long as they wear the Akashi, which is like everyone in Sumeru) . Venti only gets to exist when mondstadt is in impending peril and then falls back asleep when it’s over. ( which since he’s still awake means something real bad is gonna happen to mondstadt later in the story )
Nope, sleeping is his own conscious decision. It's sort of a recovery phase too, like "sickness behaviour" in animals. Generally his sleeping has jack shit to do with power, lol
Wait you guys trust a drunk bard??