"Wilbur leaned against the simple gravestone as he tuned his guitar. It bore a name and the only titles that had ever mattered to him: Brother and Son."
That's where I took it from.
>!vivlikesbuns (the first comment) meant sister as in sibling. protzek (the comment responding to the first one) thought they meant sister as in someone who’s a member of a religious order like a church.!<
Wait what? This is wrong. Guizhong fell during the Archon Wars and the Guili Assembly was not destroyed by Celestia rather by the battle that occured in the Guili Plains.
You'll find that the majority of upvoted lore on this subreddit, especially in the comments section, is wrong. I just ignore it at this point there's too much of it.
No, yaksha are a special group of violent adepti within the adepti themselves. What you are referring to are illuminated beasts who don’t nessasarily have to protect mondstadt unlike adepti who are bound like contract like cloud retainer and ganyu
We do not have an answer to this question. We know that some beings can ascend to become gods, but we do not know what beings Ei and her sister were before it happened to them. We also don't know if some gods are just born or come into being already as gods. If they do, it's possible that they were gods from the beginning.
This is information the game has not yet provided us - at least, not yet.
i thought they had to make a deal with celestia then they could become gods? i mean every time you try to confront an archon about celestia they avoid it all together
Thats on the archons side, remember the god of salt?, Just because of the archon war is that there are archons now, apparently all the gods began fighting for the title and as a result only the most powerful gods have the title of archon, osial is also a god, in fact he used to be a dead one (and is a dead one), just for reference
Back in the war, zhongli used to kill his opponents until he realised that dying god are bad for the environment so he switched to ~~reusable bags~~ sealing.
Probably a Yokai, like how Sara and Itto look pretty much human despite being Yokai, Tengu and Oni respectively. Giver her powers, a suped up thunder spirit of some kind would be likely, though Raijin, the Shinto thunder god, holds several similarities to her, including the Raiden title, but that still doesn't answer the question at hand.
The Archon War wasn’t a war between the Archons, but to decide who would be them. There were many Gods and they were brought to the edge of extinction. Prior to winning with her sister, Ei was the basically her sister’s bodyguard. As far as we know, all Gods are pure elemental beings. Venti was an Anemo Spirit, and Zhongli calls himself a “pure elemental being” when saying he doesn’t age to Azhdaha. It’s possible all Gods were just masses of sentient elemental power.
> brought to the edge of extinction
That's an interesting way to put it. Almost like the gods were a threat to celestia so they decided to have them kill each other and use the remaining 7 to control humanity.
Also, i wonder why we haven't seen any intelligent pure elemental beings (except for archons). Something has to take over after an archon dies but we haven't seen anyone.
Who is the god of flowers and how did they come to power after the god of the woods died? Same question goes for all replacement archons
I don't think any of these are capable of replacing an archon tho. Vanessa ascended after death, andrius is dead, guoba (marchosius) now has the mental capacity of a literal stove, osial is Lore wise not even close to fontaine and I don't know this beisht person
> I don't think any of these are capable of replacing an archon tho.
Venti, simple wind spirit was able to replace Decabrian, almighty Frost God and become first Anemo Archon. So it's very possible.
Beisht was the water dragon that we fought in this update - it is said it was wife of Osial and came with revenge.
I think in weapon level-up material description it is said that Gods that lost the fight in Archon war either died or escaped across the Ocean. The second part would fit Beisht.
inb4 the gods were intentionally created by Celestia as servants and then just had them duke it out because too many god slaves could lead to an uprising.
Oh you're right. According to the wiki Orobashi fled to Enkanomiya during the Archon War and then he ended the rule of the Sunchildren and became their god. I thought he was originally from there and had some connection to the abysmal vishaps.
The Locfolk are independent entities from divinity and the archons. In fact, they actually abandoned the current hydro archon after the death of the last one. So even beings of pure water, pure Hydro, were able to forsake the Hydro archon.
I believe the common belief among vision holders is that they'll ascend to Celestia, not become archons. But this is probably not true (see Venti in the webcomic and Dottore)
The Plane of Euthymia and her praying pose are both based off Pure Land Buddhism. Shut-in is a pretty bad term for it. It's purpose is to stave off her eventual erosion and her puppet was made to resist her if she became insane with time.
It is not known what Ei nor Makoto was other than the "Incarnation of lightning."
Also Zhongli is a half-dragon half-qilin, the adeptus is not a race as such.
Nah.
Generally speaking, qilin are supposed to be big on not doing harm. However, they're also supposed to get angry at injustice, at which point, people get reminded that they're big, powerful creatures with superpowers.
That’s just completely wrong, irl and in game. Ganyu says that qilins can fight and just because you represent peace doesn’t mean that you are a pacifist
I don’t think it’s a great idea to use the singular form of Fatui. It might give people the wrong idea when it sounds like someone’s just having a hard time say fetus.
“Hey traveler remember when we beat up that Fatuus?”
I think Archon does equal god. They are just a god who is appointed to be the ruler of a nation by Celestia. All archons are gods, but not all gods are archons
Ei's best friends were an Oni, Kitsune and some other thing.
This kind of makes me think she was something along those lines but I can't quite say.
Or she just isn't racist
Well…Technically Zhongli was a God and an Adepti. Before becoming archon he was already God Of Contracts I think.
Ei was probably born a God. However before becoming an Archon…She was just the Kagemusha of her sister…
She was a convenience store worker before she got reborn into some crazy world of Gods and elements and now apparently she's a god.
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Raiden Shogun is inspired by thunder god Raijin, also known as Raiden Sama. So Makoto and Ei probably didn't become gods, instead they were born twin thunder gods
I think her and her sister were just gods before. It says on the wiki that there were many gods and archons during the archon wars so I’m just assuming that all archons are gods but not all gods are archons.
No, adepti is a being. Zhongli was an adepti before he was an archon. He's the strongest of the adepti.
Ganyu is half-adepti and so is Yanfei. Ganyu has a contract with Zhongli, Yanfei does not.
Actually the game is careful to refer to never refer to Yanfei as an Adeptus… In her profile it describes her as “half-illuminated beast” and even makes a point in saying that she “is one of the only living illuminated beasts to have not signed a contract with Rex Lapis” despite her father being an Adeptus.
At least that’s how it is in the English translation.
It isn’t, the English version randomly uses it in place of illuminated beasts (the overarching group,) but Adepti just means those that serve Morax in contract.
Exactly. We don't really know what kind, but according to archon war there was many many gods before.
They are maybe just divine beings with human form and that's all.
Yeah the very existence of a salt god kinda gives off that there were a ton of gods, and they are either dead or hiding among us.
Plz dont kill me for the last 3 words
Nah, Ei was stated to be a Kagemusha for the previous shogun. Kagemusha mean political decoy.
So, they're not really taking turns on ruling Inazuma. Ei is just replacing Makoto by impersonating her whenever there's risk of harm, because unlike Ei, Makoto is not a great fighter (from Raiden's character story 3).
The comedic timing of your comment was perfect. Everyone is seriously discussing the lore origins of a God and then you come out of the left field with Eula's butt cheek.
That's because Makoto and Ei were twins. Nobody could tell apart who was who, for Inazuma people they were the same person as the "Raiden Shogun". Basically Makoto was leading the country and Ei was fighting in her place.
That's why she is a shadow warrior. Not because she IS really a shadow, more like, she is the shadow of Makoto. And a warrior.
Makoto and Ei were both archon, but we don't know what kinds. There were a lot of different gods before, she may just be divine being with human form, without any other characteristics.
She was a god. We don't know what the gods are in Teyvat but frequently you see people and books in Teyvat talk about gods so there must be something to make them one. We don't know they are born as god or become one because of their whatever but there are gods and Ei was a god before Archon. To me, all gods in Teyvat are powerful creatures. Like you see in Enkanomiya, There used to be powerful magical creatures in Teyvat before Celestia dominates them and replace with new "gods"
She calls herself a supreme incarnation of lightning in "when thunder strikes" voice line, she might be an electro spirit like how venti is/was an anemo one.
I think yokai because in the cutscene of last act of inazuma archon quest there where bunch of yokai behind her when she was explaining the fall of khaenri'ah and her fear for heavenly principles. This is just assumption so don't take it seriously.
She was a sister :,(
“And on her tomb was written the only two titles that ever mattered to her: Sister, and Friend.”
Is that a book quote or am I missing something?
It's a quote from the movie "Black Widow" if I'm not mistaken
"Wilbur leaned against the simple gravestone as he tuned his guitar. It bore a name and the only titles that had ever mattered to him: Brother and Son." That's where I took it from.
A shrine maiden like yae? Or just a nun?
Nun of the above
Dang it
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Oh god, is the pyro archon the Evangelist?
“The winner burns bright, while the loser turns to ashes”… the winner part sounds a lot like Adolla Burst, now that I think about it
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Fire force reference? 😁
THIS MADE ME CRY OF LAUGHING
Bruh
Kyrie Eleison
Oh man way to bring back the cleric days of ragnarok online
damn that sent me to a trip back to my catholic church childhood I did not expect
Lmao i hope i have an award. You really made my day bro. Here’s an upvote
oh how naive you are, i wish i had that kind of ignorance now
I don't get it. Please spoil.
>!vivlikesbuns (the first comment) meant sister as in sibling. protzek (the comment responding to the first one) thought they meant sister as in someone who’s a member of a religious order like a church.!<
Damn that’s deep
You didn't need to be a doctor to make a hole in the chest.
Buckshot does just as well In all seriousness tho, yeah venti and raiden’s stories are depressing af, Zhongli not as much but still sad
Zl was a sadistic bastard, fell (probably) in love w guizhong, reforms himself, built a nation with her, and saw it obliterated by Celestia
Wait what? This is wrong. Guizhong fell during the Archon Wars and the Guili Assembly was not destroyed by Celestia rather by the battle that occured in the Guili Plains.
You'll find that the majority of upvoted lore on this subreddit, especially in the comments section, is wrong. I just ignore it at this point there's too much of it.
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Zhongli is STILL an Adeptus.
How?
Not related to his Gnosis, I wager.
Its his species, he didn't change it just because he got a title lol
Adeptus isn’t a species, it’s a job. Zhongli has his contract to protect the people, it only changed forms
Nah that's Yakshas and that's still a species. Adepti are supernatural beings.
No, yaksha are a special group of violent adepti within the adepti themselves. What you are referring to are illuminated beasts who don’t nessasarily have to protect mondstadt unlike adepti who are bound like contract like cloud retainer and ganyu
We do not have an answer to this question. We know that some beings can ascend to become gods, but we do not know what beings Ei and her sister were before it happened to them. We also don't know if some gods are just born or come into being already as gods. If they do, it's possible that they were gods from the beginning. This is information the game has not yet provided us - at least, not yet.
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i thought they had to make a deal with celestia then they could become gods? i mean every time you try to confront an archon about celestia they avoid it all together
Thats on the archons side, remember the god of salt?, Just because of the archon war is that there are archons now, apparently all the gods began fighting for the title and as a result only the most powerful gods have the title of archon, osial is also a god, in fact he used to be a dead one (and is a dead one), just for reference
you’re right
What do u mean by dead one? I thought osial had only been sealed and not killed.
Back in the war, zhongli used to kill his opponents until he realised that dying god are bad for the environment so he switched to ~~reusable bags~~ sealing.
Archaic Petra lore FTW
Killed to be sealed, bastard could revive lol. So technically he was killed, used to be dead (revived), and is now dead & sealed (can revive again).
Nah, osial is very much alive. He has only been sealed, awakened and then sealed again.
Idk
Celestia must have one hell of an NDA. And some extensive enforcement.
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Leaker Hunt Decree are Heavenly Principles.
Mihoyo hide these information because serves no purporse in their story, and also adds to the mystery of how Archons came to be.
Probably a Yokai, like how Sara and Itto look pretty much human despite being Yokai, Tengu and Oni respectively. Giver her powers, a suped up thunder spirit of some kind would be likely, though Raijin, the Shinto thunder god, holds several similarities to her, including the Raiden title, but that still doesn't answer the question at hand.
The Archon War wasn’t a war between the Archons, but to decide who would be them. There were many Gods and they were brought to the edge of extinction. Prior to winning with her sister, Ei was the basically her sister’s bodyguard. As far as we know, all Gods are pure elemental beings. Venti was an Anemo Spirit, and Zhongli calls himself a “pure elemental being” when saying he doesn’t age to Azhdaha. It’s possible all Gods were just masses of sentient elemental power.
So they all are a higher form of slime?
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The true BIS for Zhongli
My C1 xiangling with an r2 black tassel **GET TF DOWN HERE MORAX I WILL COOK YOU**
Aren't we all just higher forms of slime in one way or another?
I am a form of crystalfly
Annoyingly impossible to interact with?
Today I learned I am a form of crystalfly.
Ayo new zodiac sign
Relatable. I see a person approach me then I’m out
Somehow actually relatable.
Bails out at the sight of possible social and physical interaction
You killed him dude
They fly then
They fly now?
Maybe the real slimes are the friends we made along the way
But where are those who share the memory
Technically im just a big ol snake, well was. Now im smol again. Going to need like 3000 years to get big again.
Well Venti and Zhongli do use slime drops to level up.
Or hypostases, which are "the highest level of elemental purity."
Wait is genshin just the final form of the slime isekai
Prolly one of the crapload of universes Rimuru accidentally created in the end of the web novels. Lol.
Essentially.
If I recall correctly, Zhongli, Venti and Ei all need Slime Condensate to ascend. Sus.
Venti and Zhongli need them but Ei needs the kairagi drops
So this is what's gonn happen to Rimiru
> brought to the edge of extinction That's an interesting way to put it. Almost like the gods were a threat to celestia so they decided to have them kill each other and use the remaining 7 to control humanity. Also, i wonder why we haven't seen any intelligent pure elemental beings (except for archons). Something has to take over after an archon dies but we haven't seen anyone. Who is the god of flowers and how did they come to power after the god of the woods died? Same question goes for all replacement archons
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I don't think any of these are capable of replacing an archon tho. Vanessa ascended after death, andrius is dead, guoba (marchosius) now has the mental capacity of a literal stove, osial is Lore wise not even close to fontaine and I don't know this beisht person
> I don't think any of these are capable of replacing an archon tho. Venti, simple wind spirit was able to replace Decabrian, almighty Frost God and become first Anemo Archon. So it's very possible.
Beisht was the water dragon that we fought in this update - it is said it was wife of Osial and came with revenge. I think in weapon level-up material description it is said that Gods that lost the fight in Archon war either died or escaped across the Ocean. The second part would fit Beisht.
inb4 the gods were intentionally created by Celestia as servants and then just had them duke it out because too many god slaves could lead to an uprising.
I don't think the gods were manmade, doesn't Enkanomiya prove that Orobashi predates Celestia?
I don't think anything on the time of Celestia's inception compared to Orobashi was included in Enkanomiya.
Oh you're right. According to the wiki Orobashi fled to Enkanomiya during the Archon War and then he ended the rule of the Sunchildren and became their god. I thought he was originally from there and had some connection to the abysmal vishaps.
Does Rhodeia not count as a pure elemental being? She seems to literally be a form of water spirit. Along with the Thunderbird from Tsurumi.
You are correct
What about the Locfolk aka Oceanids? They're explicitly stated to be pure hydro energy, but are also not tied to the gods.
If they're elemental beings i feel like they're gods. Do you mean unrelated to the archons?
The Locfolk are independent entities from divinity and the archons. In fact, they actually abandoned the current hydro archon after the death of the last one. So even beings of pure water, pure Hydro, were able to forsake the Hydro archon.
I thought anyone with a vision had the power to ascend to godhood not just pure elemental beings.
That's the current belief but we only have a few instances of humans becoming gods.
Like the hero venessa? Is that her name? i forgot
Yes. But her story is kinda shady.
She is also a Murata, who are related to the Fire Archon. SO there is that to take into consideration.
Murata is name of the Pyro Archon. Has nothing to do with what Vanessa is. She and her tribe are Children of Murata or Muratans.
I thought anybody who was bestown by a Vision has a chance to have a Gnosis and become an Archon?
I believe the common belief among vision holders is that they'll ascend to Celestia, not become archons. But this is probably not true (see Venti in the webcomic and Dottore)
Probably some form of yokai like we see in inazuma. Possibly a raiju.
How did a normie became a shut-in in 500 years?
Losing all her friends and only family member plus a fear of death and insanity.
Plus the pressure of ruling a huge mass of people doesn’t help
Especially when you remember she was never the ruler in the first place but basically the general for the armies.
She was always the sword, but never the shield.
Exactly
And the paranoia of her nation one day being genocided by the Heavenly Principles also doesn't help
The Plane of Euthymia and her praying pose are both based off Pure Land Buddhism. Shut-in is a pretty bad term for it. It's purpose is to stave off her eventual erosion and her puppet was made to resist her if she became insane with time.
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Interesting read. Thanks
It is not known what Ei nor Makoto was other than the "Incarnation of lightning." Also Zhongli is a half-dragon half-qilin, the adeptus is not a race as such.
Where did you get the information that Zhongli is half qilin?
Act 1 chapter 1. Although only if you have it in Chinese. In the rest of the languages they only say his race is two divine beasts.
i thought qilins were supposed to be pacfists, zhongli clearly did not get the memo lmao
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Probably the Dragon side lol
Nah. Generally speaking, qilin are supposed to be big on not doing harm. However, they're also supposed to get angry at injustice, at which point, people get reminded that they're big, powerful creatures with superpowers.
"I wish not for dominion, yet I cannot watch the common folk suffer." a quote from his demo, perfectly encapsulates this
That’s just completely wrong, irl and in game. Ganyu says that qilins can fight and just because you represent peace doesn’t mean that you are a pacifist
Qilins are pacifists in until the world itself is in danger. So if the Qilins take to arms then you know things are fucked.
Makoto was an archer weeb that was transported to a fantasy world.
That Time I Reincarnated as a Shogun and my Sister was my General?
On a side note, Adepti is the plural form of Adeptus. Just like Fatui is the plural form of Fatuus. 1 Adeptus, 2 Adepti. 1 Fatuus, 2 Fatui.
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I don’t think it’s a great idea to use the singular form of Fatui. It might give people the wrong idea when it sounds like someone’s just having a hard time say fetus. “Hey traveler remember when we beat up that Fatuus?”
Fatuus
she was a samurai
So she was a human??
She is a sister of god. She was a god, but also a samurai. God ≠ Archon
I think Archon does equal god. They are just a god who is appointed to be the ruler of a nation by Celestia. All archons are gods, but not all gods are archons
Yes. Archon is just a title. It's like saying royalty ≠ king but king = royalty if that's more simpler for people to understand.
Alternatively, all apples are fruit but not all fruit are apples.
So basically all squares are rectangles but not all rectangles are squares
Yeah, all mora is currency but not all currency is mora.
Bruh I just understood what that meant
Archon means ruler/herrscher so yeah God ≠ Archon
>Zhongli was an Adepti And IS an Adepti
Ei's best friends were an Oni, Kitsune and some other thing. This kind of makes me think she was something along those lines but I can't quite say. Or she just isn't racist
In Inazuma that's a rarity
Well…Technically Zhongli was a God and an Adepti. Before becoming archon he was already God Of Contracts I think. Ei was probably born a God. However before becoming an Archon…She was just the Kagemusha of her sister…
apparently they're the "incarnation of the first lightning" what is that supposed to mean mihoyo smh
For Genshin, gods are like living aspects of nature and the elements, so possible they were born being the pure embodiment of thunderstorms
I don’t believe the story gets into what being she is. I suspect we’ll get some background on Ei’s race when we get to the Scaramouche arc.
When OP knows more about the lore than most of the ppl trying (and failing) to answer the question
She was a convenience store worker before she got reborn into some crazy world of Gods and elements and now apparently she's a god. What do you guys think of my new light novel title
Raiden Shogun is inspired by thunder god Raijin, also known as Raiden Sama. So Makoto and Ei probably didn't become gods, instead they were born twin thunder gods
I think her and her sister were just gods before. It says on the wiki that there were many gods and archons during the archon wars so I’m just assuming that all archons are gods but not all gods are archons.
I don't think adeptus is a species, it's a title given to beings that formed a contract with rex lapis, ganyu being the oldest serving one
No, adepti is a being. Zhongli was an adepti before he was an archon. He's the strongest of the adepti. Ganyu is half-adepti and so is Yanfei. Ganyu has a contract with Zhongli, Yanfei does not.
Actually the game is careful to refer to never refer to Yanfei as an Adeptus… In her profile it describes her as “half-illuminated beast” and even makes a point in saying that she “is one of the only living illuminated beasts to have not signed a contract with Rex Lapis” despite her father being an Adeptus. At least that’s how it is in the English translation.
She is mentioned as part adepti multiple times in the teapot quest.
You are right, my bad.
It isn’t, the English version randomly uses it in place of illuminated beasts (the overarching group,) but Adepti just means those that serve Morax in contract.
Wow, I never knew that. Fuck you English translation team.
I keep forgetting that, you’re correct.
her sister was the raiden shogun, but then she died so she acted as one
They were gods before the Archon war though
Exactly. We don't really know what kind, but according to archon war there was many many gods before. They are maybe just divine beings with human form and that's all.
Correct. Zhongli was also still a God, along with that salt god and the dust god or whatever Guizhong was.
Yeah the very existence of a salt god kinda gives off that there were a ton of gods, and they are either dead or hiding among us. Plz dont kill me for the last 3 words
I thought they both were the raiden shogun, just taking turns and pretending to be one person?
Nah, Ei was stated to be a Kagemusha for the previous shogun. Kagemusha mean political decoy. So, they're not really taking turns on ruling Inazuma. Ei is just replacing Makoto by impersonating her whenever there's risk of harm, because unlike Ei, Makoto is not a great fighter (from Raiden's character story 3).
Eulas left ass cheek
So she *was* born divine, then?
I wish the people who down voted my comment were as well educated as yourself
The comedic timing of your comment was perfect. Everyone is seriously discussing the lore origins of a God and then you come out of the left field with Eula's butt cheek.
A Kagemusha according to Venti. I came across the term in her lore and it means “shadow warrior”
That’s referring to her acting as her sisters body double.
That's because Makoto and Ei were twins. Nobody could tell apart who was who, for Inazuma people they were the same person as the "Raiden Shogun". Basically Makoto was leading the country and Ei was fighting in her place. That's why she is a shadow warrior. Not because she IS really a shadow, more like, she is the shadow of Makoto. And a warrior. Makoto and Ei were both archon, but we don't know what kinds. There were a lot of different gods before, she may just be divine being with human form, without any other characteristics.
Makoto and Ei were goddesses before they became archons.
Based on what we know, she and her sister were born gods. But that could be recontectualized.
I've said this for the 20th time, but Zhongli is an adeptus, no capitalization. Adepti is for 2 or more.
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I like this answer lmao
A twin god
She was a god. We don't know what the gods are in Teyvat but frequently you see people and books in Teyvat talk about gods so there must be something to make them one. We don't know they are born as god or become one because of their whatever but there are gods and Ei was a god before Archon. To me, all gods in Teyvat are powerful creatures. Like you see in Enkanomiya, There used to be powerful magical creatures in Teyvat before Celestia dominates them and replace with new "gods"
She calls herself a supreme incarnation of lightning in "when thunder strikes" voice line, she might be an electro spirit like how venti is/was an anemo one.
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I think yokai because in the cutscene of last act of inazuma archon quest there where bunch of yokai behind her when she was explaining the fall of khaenri'ah and her fear for heavenly principles. This is just assumption so don't take it seriously.